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Israeli press: Israel rejects US proposal to check Haifa port for "Chinese threat"

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The Israeli media cite information that the Donald Trump administration at one time made a proposal to inspect the port of Haifa.


According to the publication of the Haaretz newspaper, this kind of proposal from Washington came in 2020. American partners offered Israel to assist in "checking the port of Haifa for protection from the Chinese threat and its presence." The US administration saw the work of a Chinese firm to build new port terminals as such a threat to Israel's security.

It should be noted that after the construction of all port terminals, the management of the port of Haifa will be transferred to the management of the Chinese company Shanghai International Port Group - SIPG.

The Pentagon believed that such management would threaten not only Israel, but also the American Navy. In particular, it was pointed out that the Chinese company would be able to collect intelligence information about American ships that enter the ports of Israel.

Initially, according to the aforementioned publication, the Israeli authorities "under pressure from the United States" decided to develop special measures for checking foreign investors. In some ways, this is reminiscent of Washington's pressure on Ukraine on the issue of Chinese investments in Motor Sich. Ukraine succumbed to pressure and itself decided to impose sanctions against those companies from China that invested in its own economy.

The Israeli authorities waited until the change of the US administration and rejected the "urgent proposal" to carry out an inspection of the Haifa port for the aforementioned "Chinese threat".

However, at the same time, it is still difficult for Israeli firms to interact with a number of other foreign companies. We are talking about all the same pressure from the United States in terms of joint business with companies from the Russian Federation (for example, Gazprom), technological giants from China (for example, Huawei planned to create 5G networks in Israel).

In this regard, the question is being discussed, if the Biden administration will not insist on checking the port of Haifa, does this mean that it is more loyal to large Chinese projects in the world?
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 1 February 2021 10: 43
    +3
    Here, rather, it is necessary to check the Chinese ports not "the Jewish threat"!
    Biden's current government is half-Jewish!
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 1 February 2021 11: 51
      +8
      Quote: Victor_B
      Biden's current government is half-Jewish!

      Which irrefutably confirms the Russophobic policy there. lol
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 1 February 2021 11: 53
        0
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Which irrefutably confirms the Russophobic policy there.

        Well, in Israel, they somehow treat Russia more gently.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 1 February 2021 11: 56
          +4
          Quote: Victor_B
          Well, in Israel, they somehow treat Russia more gently.

          The stump is clear!
          "And there - a quarter of our former people." (C)
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 1 February 2021 11: 58
            +4
            Quote: A. Privalov
            And there - a quarter of our former people

            Have you ever communicated with this "people" directly in Israel?
            There, very few people just feel something warm towards Russia ...
            The rest, at best, do not care.
            Poorly you know the Jews!
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 1 February 2021 12: 03
              +5
              Quote: Victor_B
              Poorly You you know the Jews!

              Duc, I’ve already, read, exchanged the fourth decade. Fry is familiar with situevina. hi
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 1 February 2021 12: 04
                +2
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Duc, I here already, read, the fourth decade exchanged.
                Do you mean living in Israel?
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 1 February 2021 12: 05
                  +6
                  Quote: Victor_B
                  Do you mean living in Israel?

                  Exactly. hi
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 1 February 2021 12: 09
                    0
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    Exactly.

                    I have stayed with you twice.
                    96th and 08th years.
                    Checked out your (how is her? Tahri ... taka ...) in general, the bus station in Tel Aviv.
                    The difference is enormous over the years!
                    I just became a shit.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 1 February 2021 12: 12
                      +8
                      Quote: Victor_B
                      The difference is enormous over the years!

                      In the years that followed, the changes were even more dramatic.
                    2. ironic
                      ironic 2 February 2021 12: 59
                      +1
                      Well Duc there are now runners from Africa settled, and our liberals do not allow to evict. Not tolerant.
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 1 February 2021 12: 53
                +5
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Duc, I’ve already, read, exchanged the fourth decade. Fry is familiar with situevina.

                I have been more than once about the people of Israel, I can not say anything bad, much better than in Europe.
              3. ccsr
                ccsr 1 February 2021 19: 00
                -2
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Duc, I’ve already, read, exchanged the fourth decade. Fry is familiar with situevina.

                Tell me, Privalov, that you were an educated person from St. Petersburg who drove you to scruffy Israel, and even rejoice in this in thirty years?
                Recently I learned from an acquaintance of mine who lives with you, and whose son-in-law is a purebred Israeli, and who came to St. Petersburg for the football championship, that he was simply shocked by this city. He frankly told her that the Israeli press kept lying about Russia, that the people were completely different, that there was no trace of anti-Semitism, and that it was better to go to St. Petersburg than to any city in Europe, where he had visited many times, because people are much more friendly. Tell us that he lied, or is it really so?
                1. ironic
                  ironic 1 February 2021 20: 17
                  +1
                  Although you did not write this to me. You know, I traveled all over the USSR to the Urals and was in eastern Siberia. Yes, Israel is small, somewhat provincial in comparison with Moscow and St. Petersburg, but if we take the average for Russia, it can only be called completely zombified. I have been living in it for 30 years and if I were offered a couple of years to work under a contract, I would quite work in Moscow or St. Petersburg for a good contract, but I would not stay permanently today. Each place has its own advantages and disadvantages, and Israel has its own, especially for a Jew. We have Russophobia on the street, just like anti-Semitism on the street, but when you go online and compare what they write and how many racists they write and how many we have, you immediately begin to appreciate Israel. And you also begin to appreciate Israel when you are stopped at a Russian airport, if you are half or you have a pronounced Russian surname and they are afraid if you have Russian citizenship and if not, they insist on getting it and if you start refusing, they may be delayed for many hours. One of my more than good acquaintances, who was delighted with the vacation in St. Petersburg and went for the second time and got into such an interrogation, after many hours of "persistent persuasion" and finally driving to hysteria, demanding to summon the Israeli consul, she was released exactly for from time to time, according to the law, requiring such a meeting, with many hours late for the flight that departed, without food and a sip of water. She no longer wants to hear about vacations in Russia. Experienced Russian-speaking Israelis exchange information on how to answer in order to reject an obsessive offer of citizenship so as not to leave an hour before meeting with the consul after the departed flight. There were many cases, it almost came to publications in the press, but hushed up so as not to spoil relations with Russia.
                  1. andreykolesov123
                    andreykolesov123 2 February 2021 09: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: ironic
                    insist on receiving and if you start refusing, they can delay for many hours.

                    With all this, Russian refugees from other CIS countries have been waiting for this citizenship for years and wandering around Russia without it. Unexplained country.
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr 2 February 2021 11: 37
                    -2
                    Quote: ironic
                    And you also begin to appreciate Israel when you are stopped at the Russian airport, if you are half or you have a pronounced Russian surname and they are afraid if you have Russian citizenship and if not, they insist on getting it and if you start refusing, they may be delayed for many hours.

                    Well, you're lying in the most shameless way, because not a single emigrant who comes to Russia requires this, and I don't take seriously the fantasies of some disgruntled woman who most likely had a problem with documents. Nafig we need you - for us you are cannon fodder in the confrontation with Arab extremists in the Middle East, and therefore we support you morally.
                    Quote: ironic
                    She doesn't want to hear about holidays in Russia anymore.

                    I don’t think that Russia is worried about it. In general, as Maria Arbatova said, only losers leave Russia for Israel, and no one from the bohemian environment even thinks about it. I don't even mention businessmen - it's hard for me to imagine Vekselberg doing business in Israel and living there.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 2 February 2021 12: 42
                      0
                      You are lying twice, lying about the fact that there was no such series of numerous cases that almost got into the Israeli press and you are lying that I am lying. For some reason, in none of these cases there was a problem with the documants, and two of these I know personally. Well, the fact that you treat the Jews of Israel as a racist, well, this does not cause such surprise at all, in view of such a number of raucous statements here on VO. Probably you were brought up like that, but where else can it come from, if not from home.

                      What did Arbatova say there, I don't know, she herself is what she needs in Israel, if he doesn't interest her? Your bohemian with us really has nothing to do and no one is waiting for her here, and no one in Israel generally likes her. The knowledge in it hurts a lot not by weight.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 2 February 2021 17: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: ironic
                        You are lying twice, lying about the fact that there was no such series of numerous cases that almost got into the Israeli press and lying that I was lying.

                        Well, where are these numerous cases recorded, at least through the Foreign Ministry and the consular service? After all, your "offended" would immediately shout about anti-Semitism and remember the Holocaust if they were treated in Russia the way you describe. And you are a liar because you speculate with rumors without presenting evidence. And what is characteristic, the majority of Israelis on Russian-language forums lie godlessly, and they have been grabbed by the hand more than once, as you are now.
                        Quote: ironic
                        I don't know what Arbatova said there,

                        She said this on a television show about emigrants to Israel - you just don't watch our television, and therefore you don't know.
                        Quote: ironic
                        The knowledge in it hurts a lot not by weight.

                        But this is your dear, and not only Russian Jews suffer from this - it also reeks of you.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 2 February 2021 18: 18
                        0
                        Fixed, fixed. They even began to write about them and stopped, so as not to aggravate, and that is why they did not understand at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or rather, they did, but not openly. However, in Israel, if not all, then many already know about this. And you have responded to the evidence so many times that the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s policy has undergone correction in this regard. For example, I personally showed you how many times that you are a liar twice, i.e. a liar in the style of ichtamniness and a liar that others lie, but to you, that in the forehead, that spelled. There is also a bone. You will not be there, regardless of reality. Here are the majority of people like you and lie on the Russian-language forums shamelessly about the fact that someone was being grabbed by the hand. You are a typical representative of that ancient phrase that a generation will grow up who will call white black and sweet bitter. About what the face of this generation is named, you will find it yourself in Google.

                        Watching zombie boxes with zombie talkers is not for me. Why should I be aware of zombofigni? Here I am with her, perhaps, I can not get acquainted with the help of people like you?

                        I don’t know what anyone’s native, but personally you cannot be surpassed in this, I in my whole life will not collect as much arrogance as you demonstrate in each separate topic. Here you smell racism, in virtual, and what else in real life, this is no longer my problem.
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 2 February 2021 18: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: ironic
                        However, in Israel, if not all, then many already know about this.

                        Those. you have no facts - as they say in Odessa, the trick did not work.
                        Quote: ironic
                        Watching zombie boxes with zombie talkers is not for me.

                        Do you work online for money as a propagandist from dry?
                        Quote: ironic
                        Here you smell racism, in virtual, and what else in real life,

                        It's good that at least they didn't hang the Holocaust on me - otherwise you are masters of labels, who would doubt it ...
                2. ironic
                  ironic 2 February 2021 14: 28
                  +1
                  Someone would call the Russians cannon fodder somewhere, suitable only for some kind of profit ... And the post would be erased and the accusations of Russophobia would be half the topic and the author of the post would be banned. But then you, then you ... as it is customary to say here - what? Yes?
        2. mister-red
          mister-red 1 February 2021 13: 47
          0
          Quote: Victor_B
          There, very few people just feel something warm towards Russia ...
          The rest, at best, do not care.
          Poorly you know the Jews!

          The fact of the matter is that there are no more than half of our compatriots, if not less.
          Of the acquaintances who are in Israel, not a single one is ever a Jew, only the other half. And there are those that there are no Jews in the family at all.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 1 February 2021 15: 02
            +6
            Quote: mister-red
            And there are those that there are no Jews in the family at all.

            That's for sure. Below this is noted. Woe Israelite - Maz. lol
          2. ironic
            ironic 1 February 2021 20: 23
            +1
            So far, still less than half, taking into account the children born. Of the approximately 200 million, approximately half a million are ethnic Slavs.
            1. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 2 February 2021 09: 31
              0
              Quote: ironic
              Of the approximately 200 million, approximately half a million are ethnic Slavs.

              About three times more than there are Jews in Russia.
              1. ironic
                ironic 2 February 2021 12: 13
                +1
                According to the Central Statistical Administration of the Russian Federation, there are hardly more than 150 thousand Russian Jews.
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 2 February 2021 11: 53
              -2
              Quote: ironic
              approximately half a million ethnic Slavs.

              Only on them and hope remained - they will save Israel from the invasion of the Bedouins. You take care of them, if they really leave, you will have a hard time.
              1. ironic
                ironic 2 February 2021 12: 18
                +2
                It is their sovereign decision whether to live or leave, they are citizens of Mr. Israel. Although it is already the second generation from mixed families, for the most part, they do not associate themselves with the country of origin of their parents and often even speaks poorly in Russian and sometimes does not even speak at all, only understands. And from the Bedouins, we were perfectly saved by religious Zionists, well, those who wear knitted kippahs.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 2 February 2021 17: 42
                  -2
                  Quote: ironic
                  There are 85 thousand Israelis sitting in Moscow alone, many with dual citizenship, but they are no longer yours.

                  But not yours either, since they don't leave Russia, even though they have your passport - why should they care about your heat and problems with the Arabs? Why should the scientist Ginzburg leave for Israel, if thanks to Russia he became known to the whole world as the creator of the covid vaccine and has the opportunity to work in conditions that Israel will not create for him.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 2 February 2021 18: 02
                    +2
                    If there are 186 days or more a year outside Israel, then after a certain period not ours, if not, then ours. They just do not care, because they know very well that our internal problems are trifles in comparison with external ones, if such arise and it is better to quickly change external ones to internal ones. They are not yours either, because they earn money from you, and if anything, they will not live with you, and even if not back to Israel, then still not with you. Yes, we also know all the scientists and all the employees on successful contracts. May your vise be successful. We are not a country in which it is customary to consider those who have left as traitors or do not rejoice at their achievements if they are made abroad. We know well that when they need it or feel bad, we will accept them all and they also know this and know why we will always be important to them. So that's it.
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr 2 February 2021 18: 57
                    -2
                    Quote: ironic
                    They are not yours either, because they earn money from you, and if anything, they will not live with you, and even if not back to Israel, then still not with you.

                    And then you wonder why you are treated this way. I don't think that Caesar Kunikov could consider Israel his homeland - he was a Soviet person, and for us a hero forever, regardless of his nationality.
                    Quote: ironic
                    We know well that when they need it or feel bad, we will accept them all and they also know this and know why we will always be important to them.

                    But whether you are important to them is a big question, judging by the fact that they do not rush to you, and try to get to a decent cemetery in Moscow.
                  3. ironic
                    ironic 2 February 2021 19: 10
                    +1
                    Well, you wonder why to you. The entertaining rhyme of Alexander Vulykh is walking around the net, very revealing. I think I just could.
                    Well, could the captains of the second rank, the hero of the Siege of Leningrad, the holder of two Orders of Lenin, three Orders of the Red Banner, and hell knows how many others, as well as a personal dagger presented personally by Khrushchev at the famous parade in besieged St. New Jersey and prefer the New York Cemetery. Could captain Yakov Fain, pompotech of the division of guards mortars, holder of the Order of the Red Star and the Patriotic War, participant in the first salvo of Katyushas near Moscow in the position of pompotech of batteries, prefer Israel and the Ber-Sheva cemetery, being, besides this, also as an engineer, a silver laureate of the VDNKh USSR ? It turns out that everything is not quite so, and even more, it is not at all so. Or are they now enemies, because they preferred the wrong cemetery? Yakov Tsipin is definitely an enemy, because he was expelled from the party for filing away from the party, deprived of all awards and demoted to the rank and file, and he buried his wife in the blockade, but his hand went up ... Probably the same as you made the decision, regardless of nationality.
                  4. ccsr
                    ccsr 2 February 2021 19: 57
                    -2
                    Quote: ironic
                    Yakov Tsipin is definitely an enemy, because he was expelled from the party for submitting to the exit, deprived of all awards and demoted to the rank and file, and he buried his wife in the blockade, but his hand went up ... Probably the same as you made the decision, regardless of nationality.

                    I don’t know who received it, but it’s not entirely clear where he suddenly got a new homeland, if he defended another homeland? Moreover, he left his wife's grave for the sake of a new homeland, which is completely incomprehensible. But he knew our laws - he could have left the CPSU in advance, since he decided to go abroad so as not to disgrace the party, and then he would not be excluded.
                  5. ironic
                    ironic 3 February 2021 14: 11
                    +2
                    In general, the homeland of a Jew was and will be Israel, a Papuan-Guinean born at the North Pole does not become from this not a Papuan-Guinean. No, I do not deny that any person, of any origin, has the right to choose which country he will consider his homeland, but with regard to Jews specifically, this is not entirely true, especially the Jews who lived on the territory of Tsarist Russia / USSR. The Jews did not have a choice where they would be born, or rather where to give birth to their children before 48 and after, too, far from immediately, therefore only in recent decades can we say that a Jew makes such a choice consciously and relatively freely. Therefore, it is far from a fact that those who chose yesterday would choose today. In addition, there is an opinion that this so-called lost generation can choose, etc. a position in which there are two homelands - historical and prehistoric. But in any case, the choice of an ethnic group that does not have independence in the right to choose and is deprived of the right is fully in line with the tradition of its people, it cannot be called a choice in full, therefore these generations are called lost, even if they ultimately choose Israel.

                    As for leaving the grave of his wife ... this is a mention that is incomprehensible and raises doubts about his morality. I also left my father's grave. (Although I visit it from time to time) Is it moral for me to poke at this? This is where it came to be called morality? Who has such a morality and who defined it as human in general? And while he was, was alive and existed, the USSR would be allowed to come to his wife's grave? Yeah, schaz, judging by the fact that his services to the country were flushed down the toilet and, by the way, have not yet been rehabilitated. And if he himself had left the CPSU before leaving, would they have treated him differently? And what else should he not dishonor? Maybe by doing this to the hero, this country (or its corresponding functionaries, count as you like) disgraced itself?
                  6. ccsr
                    ccsr 3 February 2021 18: 19
                    -2
                    Quote: ironic
                    In general, the homeland of the Jew was and will be Israel,

                    We know this tale, build Great Israel, no one bothers you. But for some reason, not all of your people are eager to return to your homeland - probably some irresponsible ones, they do not understand their happiness from gaining it.
                    Quote: ironic
                    I also left my father's grave. (Although I visit it from time to time) Is it moral for me to poke at this?

                    I meant a former member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - you do not belong to this category, so do not worry, I do not care for what reason you left.
                    Quote: ironic
                    Yeah, schaz, judging by the fact that his services to the country were flushed down the toilet and, by the way, have not yet been rehabilitated.

                    There was nothing for him to climb into the party for privileges, that is why they treated him like that.
                    Quote: ironic
                    Maybe by doing this to the hero, this country (or its corresponding functionaries, count as you like) disgraced itself?

                    If the country was not dear to him, then why should he be dear to the country? And he defended her like millions of other Soviet people - what is his advantage over them and our fallen?
                  7. ironic
                    ironic 3 February 2021 18: 41
                    +1
                    Great Israel existed during the period of King Solomon, but Israel simply exists now and is this also a fairy tale? Well, yes, when they began to build it, it was considered a fairy tale, what will be possible and where is this opinion now? They also interfere, and there are still many interfering ones. Well, not all of yours are eager to live in the Russian Federation. How many Slavs live in America, Canada and Australia, even the same Israel, can you find or help? How many ethnic Germans for whom the first language Russian left at the same time the CIS countries can you help find? I literally in the previous posting showed you a look at the lost generation, and you keep repeating the same thing, as if you hadn’t read it. Well, here's a vivid example for you, even fully understanding what is written, in your native language you do not understand and cannot understand that your form of thinking and mentality is fundamentally different and your measurements are not ours.

                    I understand that you meant a former member, it is trivial to understand. It has nothing to do with the reason for my departure. And you write as if you are not at all indifferent and even understandable why. Ksati's morality has not changed from this, neither in relation to me, nor to him. She either is or she is not. Those. in besieged Peter, he fought off the privileges of a party member. From and the whole picture of morality in all its glory. His son, who wants to be a musician in America, to whom the functionaries of the country closed the road because the water in the tap did not come out more expensive and it was legitimate, and they treated him immoral, disgusting and unworthy by any human standard, inhuman I do not count. He did not and did not have any advantage over other veterans, however, it was not only him who was immoral and disgusting, therefore, in this regard, he really does not stand out from the series of immoralities and abominations that were allowed not only to him alone.
                  8. ccsr
                    ccsr 3 February 2021 19: 51
                    -2
                    Quote: ironic
                    How many Slavs live in America, Canada and Australia, even the same Israel, can you find or help? How many ethnic Germans for whom the first language Russian left at the same time the CIS countries can you help find?

                    So we do not consider them citizens of Russia, unlike Israel, which conducts double-entry bookkeeping, attributing all Jews to their country in order to show their importance. You yourself know that no one from Russia especially comes to you, even with dual citizenship - they have long since seen their sight.
                    Quote: ironic
                    And you write as if you are not at all indifferent and even understandable why.

                    I don't like when Jews who left the USSR or Russia begin to lie that they were not allowed to live because of their nationality. Or, like your crazy woman who came up with the idea that she was agitated to change her citizenship - do you at least believe in it yourself? Nafig is needed here - think about these first.
                    Quote: ironic
                    and he was treated immorally, disgusting and unworthy by any human measure, inhuman, I do not count.

                    I know this troubles of yours - I got caught in speculation or stole at the enterprise, received a suspended sentence, and until he leaves, leaving is prohibited. Or he worked in a secure enterprise and, according to the law, had the right to leave the country only after 5 or 10 years - these are all the reasons for such refusals. Or parents with disabilities did not agree to leave, because needed custody and demanded alimony, the same thing happened with ex-wives. And you just speculated on such refusals, forgetting that it was done on a legal basis.
                    By the way, for example, there was such a Leopold Trepper, who left for Israel, so he slandered another Jewish war hero - A.M. Gurevich, and who got a sentence because of him. And only in the nineties this outstanding intelligence officer was rehabilitated, so I don’t have to rub my tales about your heroes - among them there were also those who, despite participating in the war, turned out to be vile people.
                  9. ironic
                    ironic 3 February 2021 21: 28
                    +1
                    You think, even as you think, moreover, you are promoting the idea of ​​obtaining dual citizenship by former residents of the USSR, especially if they are considered not Jews according to Halakha. I just know for certain that even in the worst years, several thousand came from Russia, this is how even those who know for certain that they are Jews will not be considered Jews in Israel. From such an insight.

                    I also don’t like it when anti-Semites start to lie, they say they didn’t anti-Semitic and the Jews themselves came up with it so that they would feel sorry for them, then it comes to the Tashkent front and the Holocaust, they say, was not so serious as the Jews claim, and then it wasn’t his at all ... Anti-Semites, they are such anti-Semites, they do not change in general and cannot come up with anything intellectual ... Racism is not intellectual in its essence.

                    Jews are not commanded to believe, commanded to know. I know that in all the cases that I know personally, people were not only agitated, not only pressured, but also violated their basic rights in accordance with the norms of international law that the Russian Federation has signed up to observe. It is not the people themselves that are needed, they are only a means, including political pressure. Moreover, I even know in what way. I even know that the shadow with stripes is behind this.

                    Yeah, for a long time as a pensioner, always a former thief (how else, who stole the water from the tap?), And the son stole his violin, and the parents refused from the grave. G-di to what people just do not stoop to justify evil, well, actually, if you are the same, then why not justify. In just one dialogue, you personally made such a number of low-standard speculations that probably the whole repatriation of the 90th year cannot be surpassed, how can you not see speculation in everything, try to surpass you in this ... You did not even bother to finish the story then find out your anti-Semitic. You, like all real anti-Semites, relish the dark story about what happened during the interrogation of the GRU, and there a lot still happened in those ways and are happy to project any single fact onto many people with the sole purpose of denigrating it on the basis of race. Your techniques are simply disgusting. But there is as much new in them as in mothballs. But it's good that you voice them like this on the net. The world should know what you think, there can be no better evidence than this.
                  10. ccsr
                    ccsr 4 February 2021 10: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: ironic
                    I just know for certain that even in the worst years, several thousand came from Russia, this is how even those who know for certain that they are Jews will not be considered Jews in Israel. From such an insight.

                    They go this way because they have some kind of clue there, not because they like Israel. You'd better count how many Jews did not reach Israel and settled in Germany - tens of thousands remained there only in the nineties, and I saw it with my own eyes. There are also our emigrants in South Africa - so your example does not work, because they choose the place where they think it will be easier for them to find a job.
                    Quote: ironic
                    both before the Tashkent front and before the Holocaust, the pier was not so serious,

                    Does it bother you that the Holocaust was not reflected in the Nuremberg Tribunal, but was first spoken about in the sixties? Although I personally do not care what you call it all, especially since my compatriots have died much more, but somehow we are not talking about the Holocaust for the Russian people.
                    Quote: ironic
                    I know that in all the cases that I know personally, people were not only agitated, not only pressured, but also violated their basic rights in accordance with the norms of international law, which the Russian Federation has signed up to observe.

                    How about Israel's compliance with the 1947 UN two-state resolution? The basic rights of the Palestinians have been violated, and you do not worry ...
                    By the way, there is no international law - you dreamed about it.
                    Quote: ironic
                    In just one dialogue, you personally made such a number of low-standard speculations,

                    Yes, you yourself are a first-rate liar, and when you were asked to bring facts, you said nothing smarter, as "everyone in Israel knows this." And how can you treat you after your lies?
                    Quote: ironic
                    You, like all real anti-Semites, relish the dark story of what happened during the interrogation of the GRU,

                    There is a book by A.M. Gurevich and the recognition of his services to the country - you are simply not in the subject, but are ready to refute what you have no idea about.
                    Quote: ironic
                    Your techniques are simply disgusting.

                    Calm down the saint - it is because of people like you that they treat you the way in Russia. If you are already working on dryness, then at least learn how to conduct propaganda more subtly, otherwise you are strongly reeking of professional incompetence.
                  11. ironic
                    ironic 4 February 2021 17: 11
                    -1
                    And the lead is because you don't like it? Have you decided to get acquainted with the logic in the future life? Well, even young Israelis go to Berlin to work from Israel, so what? This is normal for us, we do not condemn people who wished to look for a place in a warmer place, and even if we do not condemn those who returned from where they came several times. It's you who are looking for traitors all the time, because who else can leave the third Rome, which is in the dope for people like you, and the dope is in the goal, and there is nothing else there. South African traitors don't bother you? Only God's chosen ones? Are they violating the Godhead?

                    Doesn't it bother you at all to incline this topic in the 21st century? No conscience, so it doesn't interfere? Your compatriots have undoubtedly died more in number, but not as a percentage of your entire ethnic group, and we have almost halved, no one has suffered so much. It is a fact. And the Jews did not have their own country and they were destroyed only for one origin and with the aim of total extermination as an ethnic group. The extermination of Russians was a war crime, Jews by the Holocaust, both of these crimes, but the crimes are different. And the Holocaust is a proper name.

                    At the expense of the two states, they would have existed for a long time, if those who want their Mr. did it. The Jews wanted, so there is one thing. The PA leadership does not want to, and therefore there is a collection of hamul and pakhanats on the management of part of the PNA, part of the civilian department of the Israeli Defense Ministry under the jurisdiction of martial law laws. We also take a steam bath, because the Palestinians are Jews and their rights in Palestine are constantly violated to this day. And the Arabian and Syrian migrants to Palestine are not deprived of any basic rights. They have them.

                    Even if I were a liar, I could only be second-rate, you are the first. Moreover, it is multi-level and cross-cutting. Constantly rubbing for some facts that are not facts at all. Calling white black is your only facts. I was personally in touch with the man on the phone, when he was allowed to call and he was not presented with any charges and his documents were in order, but he was detained for refusing to obtain Russian citizenship, and the reason was found to check whether his relatives with such a surname had any previous convictions for the territory of the Russian Federation, and as it happened with people like him, an hour before the need to provide communication with the consul, there were no convictions and the documents were in order, but once again in Russia it is better for such people not to appear, in order to avoid finding 0.0 ... 01 grams something unexpected in the luggage. And they do know about this in Israel. And what about your lie that I am lying? As a kind of ichtaminess and omnipotence, but what else.

                    I knew about Gurevich's book and the "Red Capella" even before I learned about the existence of the VO site. It only occurs to such a narrow-minded zombie as you that this topic is not hidden only from him. That is why it is only present on the Internet in Russian "Your guilt ... is fully proven by the testimony of LZ Trepper, F. Panzinger, X. Pannwitz." Where did they get these readings? Oh, at the Lubyanka? Well, who doubted. Where was Trepper himself? For 15 years in prison and then denied? How symptomatic. By the way, he also wrote a book.

                    Why should I calm down? Well, compared to your villainous antics, it may be a holy man. It is because of people like you that the phenomenon of Russophobia arose, although undoubtedly not all Russians deserve such an attitude, and not even half. If you really dream of a "holgino" halo over your head, then at least take the trouble to acquire an elementary general education, otherwise you are too illiterate for professional work as a troll, find out at least what Sokhnut does and how it differs from Nativ with Joint. And I am ready to volunteer anywhere to repulse the stupid anti-Semites, I can also donate money myself, let alone take. What stinks from you and so is clear to any adequate person. Perhaps this is someone like you, wrote in Israel under the bridge of the city of Holon in black paint "Hitler was right", not hesitating to do it in the language of the winner of the Great Patriotic War and add a bold swastika on the side. Do not hesitate and I repeat, you are disgusting.
  • bobba94
    bobba94 1 February 2021 16: 10
    +7
    A relative lives in Ashdod, left for a long time, she is about 70, her friends are about the same age. Someone is nostalgic, someone is scolding. But young people do not care about Russia, absolutely purple ... there is Ireland, there is Japan, and there is Russia ... so what's wrong with that
  • ironic
    ironic 1 February 2021 17: 53
    +1
    Of course, I talked and even followed the Russian-speaking portals in Israel. Even such an attitude as you can find here on VO towards the Israelis, there is not an average of scrapes across the country. And for sure, apart from single marginals, you will not find mass wishes that the new Russian ship should be above the keel, not under the keel, and no one even suggests to be the first to zhakh on Hameimim, even cry.
    The Jews themselves do not know the Jews well, but on the contrary, they are good, and how much they do not know yet, they still cannot believe.
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  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 15: 20
    0
    In what sense is "softer"?
    Not so often, compared to Syria, are they shooting at our troops? Or do Jews export less money from Russia out of deep sympathy for Russia?
    1. ironic
      ironic 1 February 2021 18: 04
      +2
      Are Jews shooting at Russian troops in Syria? Where do you get this herb? I want one too.
      Do you still have Jews? Well, to take out?
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 2 February 2021 09: 35
        0
        Even the 4th generation is coming now. It is incomprehensible to the mind how a married couple, where one of the spouses, a great-grandfather or great-grandmother, a Jew, receive a residence permit in Israel.
        1. ironic
          ironic 2 February 2021 12: 22
          +1
          A pro-grandmother on the female side means that one of the spouses is Jewish, and according to the great-grandfather you can enter only with forged documents. The law works up to the 3rd generation.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 1 February 2021 12: 04
    +5
    Quote: Victor_B
    Here, rather, it is necessary to check the Chinese ports not "the Jewish threat"!
    Biden's current government is half-Jewish!

    A Jew does not automatically mean a pro-Israel minded politician. In recent decades, a chasm has been growing between Israeli conservatives and American liberal Jews.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 1 February 2021 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      In recent decades, a chasm has been growing between Israeli conservatives and American liberal Jews.

      Well, this is your internal family showdown ...
      Well, in general, a raven will not peck out a raven's eyes!
      1. ironic
        ironic 1 February 2021 18: 05
        -1
        Well, you definitely don't know the Jews.
        1. nsm1
          nsm1 1 February 2021 19: 34
          -5
          We don’t know and we don’t want to know!
          Why do we need them ?!
          PS: I have never seen a living Jew, seriously ...
          1. ironic
            ironic 1 February 2021 19: 37
            +1
            And rightly so, you have almost no them left, there is no need to know them. Not productive.
          2. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 1 February 2021 22: 22
            +3
            Quote: nsm1
            PS: I have never seen a living Jew, seriously ...


            Od even covered RUSSIAN with his chest!
            1. nsm1
              nsm1 1 February 2021 22: 23
              -2
              Who is this?
              And the picture is the picture.
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 1 February 2021 22: 38
                +1
                Quote: nsm1
                Who is this?

                You need to know your heroes by sight!
                Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg is a Russian businessman and billionaire. Honored Trainer and Honored Worker of Physical Culture of the Russian Federation, Doctor of Pedagogical Sciences, author of more than 30 educational, methodological and scientific works in the field of organization and management of the training process
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 2 February 2021 11: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  You need to know your heroes by sight!
                  Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg is a Russian businessman and billionaire.

                  They erected a monument to him in Israel, as to Dragoon? You must honor the heroes of your people first.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 2 February 2021 12: 46
                    +2
                    What heroic deed did he do for Israel? So you bet.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 2 February 2021 17: 55
                      -1
                      Quote: ironic
                      What heroic deed did he do for Israel?

                      And what did Dragoonsky have to do with Israel when he performed the feat?
                    2. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 2 February 2021 19: 13
                      0
                      [quote = ccsr] They erected a monument to him in Israel, [/ quote]
                      No, that in Israel you would have planted him faster than put it; they will put a monument to him "for cover".
                      [/ quote = ccsr] And what relation did Dragoonsky have to Israel when he performed the feat? [/ quote]
                      Dragunsky D.A. made a huge contribution to the destruction of fascism and the salvation of Jews from destruction.
                      Dragunsky D.A. took part in the work Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (EAK). Back in 1945, David Dragunsky set before EAK the task of perpetuating the memory of his dead relatives and fellow countrymen in the Bryansk region, as well as erect monuments and memorials to the victims of the Holocaust in other cities of the USSR

                      THIS IS FOR THIS AND SUPPLIED AND NOT ONLY TO HIM, BUT TO ALL THE SOLDIERS OF THE RED ARMY, DESTROYING FASCISM!
                    3. ccsr
                      ccsr 2 February 2021 20: 03
                      -2
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      No, that in Israel you would have planted him faster than put it; they will put a monument to him "for cover".

                      And why was Nevzlin not put together with Gusinsky? Some kind of selective approach you have towards Russian Jews ...
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      Dragunsky D.A. took part in the work of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (EAK).

                      In fact, he was the chairman of the Anti-Zionist Committee of the Soviet public, so no need to distort.
                    4. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 2 February 2021 23: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: ccsr
                      In fact, he was the chairman of the Anti-Zionist Committee of the Soviet public, so no need to distort.

                      And not only
                      In his interview with the AiF newspaper on February 17, 1989, Dragunsky said:

                      “You know as well as I do that the manifestations of anti-Semitism have recently in a number of cases begun to take organized forms ... I believe that not a single fact of manifestation of anti-Semitism can be left unpunished ...
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 1 February 2021 10: 49
    +6
    ... does this mean that she is more loyal to major Chinese projects in the world?

    The Haifa port is not considered such a "big project" for China. It is big for Israel. Therefore, there is no way to "hammer a nail" into bilateral relations ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 1 February 2021 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: Doccor18
      ... does this mean that she is more loyal to major Chinese projects in the world?

      The Haifa port is not considered such a "big project" for China. It is big for Israel. Therefore, there is no way to "hammer a nail" into bilateral relations ...

      Did they go completely crazy in America? Geography textbook on "goat's legs" was allowed, smoked in the fifth grade? I thought that there was one of my beloved Psaki, a "great specialist" in geography. It turns out to be a common phenomenon.

      Then they explain to us that their missiles in Poland are not against us, but against Iran. They want to check Israel for protection from the "Chinese threat" ... Like children, by God! Who are trying to deceive an adult and it seems to them that they succeed.

      At the same time, for some reason, they start looking for China on the Russian-language political map of the world in Africa ...
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 1 February 2021 11: 38
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        At the same time, for some reason, they start looking for China on the Russian-language political map of the world in Africa ...

        Not very far from the truth if things go on like this ...
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 1 February 2021 12: 51
          +10
          Quote: Doccor18
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          At the same time, for some reason, they start looking for China on the Russian-language political map of the world in Africa ...

          Not very far from the truth

          Much closer than it sounds. Personal observations.
          I was with friends of my parents in America visiting their children who live there. Children about America only smile blissfully foolishly and say "Ku!", The wife of my father's friend - too. We are in the minority and in opposition. So they slipped the American guests to the "barbecue", which the children arranged in honor of our arrival, on the tablet a Russian-language map of the world ... And the peers of our friends' children (25-30 years old) and their parents (50-60 years old) - that's all why - then the search for China begins in Africa. One was looking for Russia in Argentina, another could not find the United States (he said that he was not used to the world map, he understood and knew only the US map) .... Vietnam showed one of a dozen in Laos. Well, this one, let's assume, was roughly hit. The rest about Vietnam are in a stupor.

          For such jokes on the naive Americans, the two of us were declared stonewalling and threatened not to feed. We found something to scare ... On the very first evening of obstruction, we both fried a huge frying pan of potatoes - in the coffin I saw their pizza or ready-made roast beef warmed up in the microwave (youngsters are friends' children, already used to it). They cracked a glass or two of some stinking rubbish from a liquor store and decided that a tourist trip to America was going well so far ... good
          1. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 15: 30
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: Doccor18
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            At the same time, for some reason, they start looking for China on the Russian-language political map of the world in Africa ...

            Not very far from the truth

            Much closer than it sounds. Personal observations.
            I was with friends of my parents in America visiting their children who live there. They cracked a glass or two of some stinking rubbish from a liquor store and decided that a tourist trip to America was going well so far ... good


            In! Our person!
            My daughter has been living and studying in the USA for several years. Many behavioral aspects of Americans and Russians are very different. And I notice this from my daughter, partly with laughter, but partly realizing that our habits prevent her from integrating into American society.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 February 2021 11: 00
    0
    In some ways, this is reminiscent of Washington's pressure on Ukraine on the issue of Chinese investments in Motor Sich. Ukraine succumbed to pressure and itself decided to impose sanctions against those companies from China that invested in its own economy.

    Ha, ha and again HA!
    Not everywhere minke whales give their nose to poke ... even partners.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 February 2021 11: 02
    +1
    They rejected an "urgent offer" to check the Haifa port for the aforementioned "Chinese threat".
    Friendship is friendship, help with help, but still money apart.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 February 2021 11: 07
    +16
    The Chinese have built two new private ports in Israel:
    Haifa-2 and Ashdod-2.
    Built with phenomenal speed and high quality.
    There are no alternatives to China in such industrial construction.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 1 February 2021 12: 01
      +4
      And, which is typical, Israel is really a sovereign country from the USA!
      The states depend on him more. More precisely from the Jewish lobby.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 1 February 2021 11: 15
    +5
    The Israeli authorities waited for the change of the US administration and rejected the "urgent offer"

    In fact, such a demand was rejected at the end of last summer. The mechanism for checking foreign investments works quite well here. However, in general, Israel prefers to block unwanted investments in less formal ways. hi
    1. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 1 February 2021 13: 45
      0
      Less formal ... how is it?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 1 February 2021 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: dmmyak40
        Less formal ... how is it?

        Yes, in different ways. You never know how to prevent foreign companies from taking part in government orders. You can't list all of them. hi
        1. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 1 February 2021 20: 23
          0
          If less formal, then it turns out informal. What is this: just a private warning not to get involved with your investments? If it's a secret, then don't tell. If not, please explain a little, just wondering.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 1 February 2021 21: 32
            +1
            There is no secret. When it comes to projects of national importance, the drafters of the competition conditions perform acrobatic sketches, make eights in the air and introduce points of double and triple interpretation there, which can subsequently be interpreted in one way or another. Everything looks like a chin-chinar. No politics, purely business considerations. However, the policy is always present at various stages (and there may be several of them, depending on the complexity, cost or volume of the project), you can always twist something there, push or weaken in favor of one or another participant.
            The office in which I worked for about 25 years has repeatedly participated in internal state competitions. This is not a very simple matter. Once we even sued another bidder who violated the terms of subcontracting restrictions. In the conditions of the competition, there was a clause requiring the applicant to complete at least 60% of the profile work on his own. The rest of the work can be done by subcontractors. This is done to prevent a situation in which there is no responsible contractor. So that moneybags who do not understand the essence of this state order do not buy a cheap petty riffraff for its implementation with the sole purpose of disrupting the grandmother. As a result, they lost the court, but we were left without an order ... request
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 1 February 2021 22: 35
              +2
              Quote: A. Privalov
              ... In the conditions of the competition, there was a clause requiring the applicant to complete at least 60% of the profile work on his own.

              A similar situation was with me, but the profile work was required to be completed 100% on our own, the object was civil and it was won by a Chinese construction company.
            2. dmmyak40
              dmmyak40 2 February 2021 00: 12
              +3
              Thank you interesting. Basically. everything is always like this: if someone (especially the state) wants something, the tools will be found.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 2 February 2021 01: 02
                +1
                Naturally. He has all the necessary tools in his hands.
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  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 1 February 2021 11: 24
    +13


    I love Israel.
    Today, these fiery towers of Baku burn for the honor of Israel ..
    For friendship.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 1 February 2021 11: 59
      0
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      Today, these fiery towers of Baku burn for the honor of Israel ..

      Is it in honor of the opening of the Azerbaijani embassy in Israel? (sarcasm)
      1. ironic
        ironic 1 February 2021 18: 14
        0
        But the Israeli embassy in Azerbaijan is in full swing with activity. They have no time to notice sarcasm. wink
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 1 February 2021 23: 36
          +1
          Quote: ironic
          The Israeli embassy in Azerbaijan is seething with activity.

          And a mind-blowing gesheft laughing
          1. ironic
            ironic 2 February 2021 12: 47
            0
            So it boils qualitatively. Are you so congratulating or jealous? request
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 2 February 2021 12: 49
              0
              Quote: ironic
              Are you so congratulating or jealous?

              Or wink
              1. ironic
                ironic 2 February 2021 14: 30
                -1
                Health. fellow
    2. ironic
      ironic 1 February 2021 18: 12
      +1
      Baku friends are always honored with us. Salute to the city of peace Baku.
  • nsm1
    nsm1 1 February 2021 11: 25
    -4
    Quite surprisingly, as for me, that the Chinese were allowed in general ...
    Noverno more there is no one, the Americans will definitely not build.
    1. ironic
      ironic 2 February 2021 14: 31
      -1
      There was a lot of controversy on this topic, you see the Chinese agreed to some restrictions.
  • Sandor Clegane
    Sandor Clegane 1 February 2021 11: 36
    +1
    what a delicious topic, I think it will be sold out
  • Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 1 February 2021 11: 39
    0
    It was more logical to check for the Russian threat. In Haifa, Russian is spoken everywhere ...
  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 1 February 2021 12: 01
    +8
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: Emil Mamedoff
    Today, these fiery towers of Baku burn for the honor of Israel ..

    Is it in honor of the opening of the Azerbaijani embassy in Israel? (sarcasm)

    We have such a relationship that even embassies are not needed.)

    Regards, Emil.))
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 1 February 2021 13: 10
      0
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      We have such a relationship that even embassies are not needed.)

      bully
      1. ironic
        ironic 2 February 2021 14: 35
        0
        It is not high in heaven, it is on earth, the ancient sages said.
        Tel Aviv
  • zwlad
    zwlad 1 February 2021 12: 04
    0
    the Chinese company will be able to collect intelligence information about American ships that call at Israeli ports.

    Well, no need to enter the ports of Israel and there is no problem.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 February 2021 12: 48
      +5
      Quote: zwlad
      Well, no need to enter the ports of Israel and there is no problem.

      Why not come in? Normal ports, high level security, and good people. At least I never felt ill will.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 1 February 2021 16: 45
        +1
        Duc they themselves are afraid that they will be watched. So there is no need to go there and then there will be nothing to fear.
    2. ironic
      ironic 2 February 2021 12: 48
      0
      And they need to come in. And they come.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 February 2021 12: 14
    +3
    Quote: Victor_B
    And, which is typical, Israel is really a sovereign country from the USA!
    The states depend on him more. More precisely from the Jewish lobby.

    It is strange that someone doubts Israel's ability to maintain its interests in spite of foreign policy pressure, in spite of "status" .... Historical examples just say that business is business, and the interests of the state are a completely different plane.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 1 February 2021 13: 19
      0
      Quote: Shahno
      business is business, and the interests of the state are a completely different plane.

      And in this case, isn't the state protecting business?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 1 February 2021 14: 55
        +6
        Quote: Dym71
        Doesn't the state protect business?

        The correct State must necessarily protect business. Invariably and constantly, and in all possible ways and means. After all, business is an astronomical amount of income tax. Otherwise, what will it live on? hi
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 February 2021 12: 21
    0
    That's a cunning people.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 1 February 2021 13: 16
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      That's a cunning people.

      Quote: I. Guberman
      Until the trade is in decline
      a Jew does not think about God,
      Bribe him just in case
      paying at the local synagogue.
    2. Danila46
      Danila46 1 February 2021 20: 21
      -2
      ek you all the people "combed" to the "smart". And if you allow yourself to do something like that against the Russians, you start screaming and spitting foam, saying that "they got Russophobes." So how are you different from them ??? Are you not a case of Judeophobia, or are you just studying?
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 1 February 2021 20: 24
        0
        Of course Russians don't like Russophobia!
        But churkophobia comes with a bang ...
        It is the same with the Jews.
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 1 February 2021 20: 47
          0
          So, according to you, "churkophobia" is hurt, you-nishtyak, but Russophobia - well, well, well, nizyayaya? Did I understand you correctly?
          1. ironic
            ironic 2 February 2021 12: 50
            0
            I think he wanted to say that the anti-Semitism that many here allow themselves would be branded as Russophobia if in the same proportion it was addressed to the Russians, the same with other types of racism, which is quite often found in posts on the Ministry of Defense.
      2. sergo1914
        sergo1914 2 February 2021 07: 43
        0
        Quote: Danila46
        ek you all the people "combed" to the "smart". And if you allow yourself to do something like that against the Russians, you start screaming and spitting foam, saying that "they got Russophobes." So how are you different from them ??? Are you not a case of Judeophobia, or are you just studying?


        The lives of Jews are important. At the time of writing the comment, I was on my knees and repented. It is strange that none of the real ones was outraged (they are smart people), but a certain Danila the master posed as a fighter against racism. Aggravation?
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 2 February 2021 10: 57
          0
          Quote: sergo1914
          At the time of writing the comment, I was on my knees and repented.

        2. ccsr
          ccsr 2 February 2021 12: 00
          -1
          Quote: sergo1914
          The lives of Jews are important. At the time of writing the comment, I was on my knees and repented.

          As white citizens of America in front of blacks - did they try to clean their shoes?
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 2 February 2021 12: 07
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: sergo1914
            The lives of Jews are important. At the time of writing the comment, I was on my knees and repented.

            As white citizens of America in front of blacks - did they try to clean their shoes?


            I wanted to, of course. But there were no Jews around. Neither boots nor no boots.
        3. ironic
          ironic 2 February 2021 12: 56
          +1
          Why depicted? Did you catch him hypocrisy? I'm real. The outrage is conveyed above. Ksatati repentance for the ruthless, almost universal robbery of at least a quarter of a million Jews who left for Israel in 90-91 would not hurt, as well as for the confiscation of 800 rubles from each. for forced renunciation of citizenship, including infants.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 1 February 2021 12: 45
    +2
    How long have the striped ones checked their state structures for the presence of a Jewish threat? laughing
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 1 February 2021 12: 45
    +2
    American partners offered Israel to assist in "checking the port of Haifa for protection from the Chinese threat and its presence."

    Israel itself can provide assistance, for any security. They have a high level of security. I have been to Haifa and Ashdot many times, and saw with my own eyes, not from words.
  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 1 February 2021 13: 15
    +1
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: Emil Mamedoff
    We have such a relationship that even embassies are not needed.)

    bully

    Ahah)) You have a plus.)
    Where did you find this photo?))
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 1 February 2021 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      Where did you find this photo?))

      At the "Pokrovsky Gates" smile
  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 1 February 2021 13: 26
    -1
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: Emil Mamedoff
    Where did you find this photo?))

    At the "Pokrovsky Gates" smile

    Aha .. and where is this gate? (
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 1 February 2021 16: 20
      +2
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      Aha .. and where is this gate? (

      On youtube hi
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 February 2021 13: 33
    +1
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: Shahno
    business is business, and the interests of the state are a completely different plane.

    And in this case, isn't the state protecting business?

    Knowing a little the situation here and there, I think that the state interest in the construction of such important ports as Haifa and Ashdon prevails over business intricacies ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 1 February 2021 15: 07
    +1
    By the way, in the photo under the heading of the article - RMS Queen Mary 2 - an ocean liner, the flagship of the British shipping company Cunard Line at the quay wall in the port of Haifa. At the time of launching (2004), it was the largest passenger ship in the world.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 15: 17
    +2
    Quote: Victor_B
    Here, rather, it is necessary to check the Chinese ports not "the Jewish threat"!
    Biden's current government is half-Jewish!


    It would be necessary to check the Russian state companies for the "Jewish threat". But the question is - if you find one, what to do?
    1. ironic
      ironic 1 February 2021 18: 21
      +5
      Think about what happened in the past, numerous Russian Jews.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 1 February 2021 19: 16
        +1
        Quote: ironic
        Think about what happened in the past, numerous Russian Jews.

        They went into show business and into ordinary business, so that everything is in place, do not worry about them - they even do not want to move to Israel. Only those who have problems with the law run to you, such as Khodorkovsky's accomplices. "Nama the Bad" - as they say in Ukraine ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 1 February 2021 19: 18
          +2
          And why did you not have them almost even in business, some kind of units, like sparse hair on an elderly crown? Did the overwhelming majority of those who left the former USSR countries have problems with the law?
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 1 February 2021 19: 42
            -2
            Not left for exactly the same reason as in Poland.
            1. ironic
              ironic 1 February 2021 21: 31
              0
              Anti-Semitism?
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 1 February 2021 19: 52
            -1
            Quote: ironic
            Did the overwhelming majority of those who left the former USSR countries have problems with the law?

            So the overwhelming number of Jews leaving the USSR did not reach Israel, but settled in Europe and the United States - I saw many of them in Germany in the nineties, so this is not an argument. And in general now we are talking about Russia - for some reason, no one is coming to you, even Zhvanetsky died here.
            1. ironic
              ironic 1 February 2021 21: 22
              -1
              But most of all settled in Israel. Nobody eats food, but there is nowhere to go every year ... One Zhvanetsky, pop artist of the Russian-speaking audience? And what would he do with us? In fact, you don't have them left.

              Before WWI it was> 4 million. before WWII ~ 2.5 mln., today with difficulty 150 thousand. So where are your Jews?
              Israel's Jews have recently exceeded the number of Jews living outside of it, and where are your Jews, you seem to be unable to answer?
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 2 February 2021 00: 12
                +3
                Quote: ironic
                Before WWI it was> 4 million. before WWII ~ 2.5 mln., today with difficulty 150 thous.

                150 thousand? With difficulties? belay
                This is probably with a hard physical? bully
                FEOR believes that more than a million, how much more, do not speak, they probably do not want to upset your backbones from SOKHNUT wassat
                1. ironic
                  ironic 2 February 2021 12: 27
                  -1
                  Well, I don’t know how hard it was, it looks like they came across these people with hard physical labor. recourse And FEOR should collect money for something in the form of donations. wink These unfortunate remnants discovered by hard physical labor of the Central Statistical Administration of the Russian Federation (if such is possible there, by yapatstal) "the elephant cannot be sold" to FEOR. request
                  1. Dym71
                    Dym71 2 February 2021 13: 10
                    0
                    Quote: ironic
                    And FEOR should collect money for something in the form of donations.

                    In FEOR, no fools sit and think strategically:
                    --- It's one thing to work for a community that, God forbid, will last until your retirement, and another thing is to work for creation - for a large community, which has a long life ahead ... (c) Zeev Wagner, ex-rabbi Central Federal District and Tula

                    His quote about the number of Jews in Russia:
                    The Lubavitcher Rebbe said that Russia has the largest community. What does it mean? The American Jewish community numbers six million. This means that the local community is six million plus one. That is, it fully corresponds to what I am saying. I also heard from someone that the Rebbe was talking about ten million.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 2 February 2021 11: 43
                -1
                Quote: ironic
                and where are your Jews, you seem to be unable to answer?

                Open the Forbes list and watch Russian television - you will see everyone there. They even come from America - there are various Shufutinsky and other Lyuba Uspensky. Sucks you know our reality, once you ask the question where are our Jews. Everyone settled in warm places and they don't even think about moving to Israel.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 2 February 2021 12: 33
                  -1
                  If you follow your advice, then everything is even worse, a pitiful handful of Russian tycoons remained, and the fact that you have on TV is almost all that is left, well, plus a few returnees. The overwhelming majority of the Jews present in the Russian Federation do business and earn money, and all of them are no longer Russian Jews, they have long been settled outside. There are 85 Israelis in Moscow alone, many with dual citizenship, but they are no longer yours.

                  The reality is incomprehensible, but the reality is such that such a concept as "your Jews" will soon come to the number of the Iranian community. Well that is for a sign will do. That's your whole Jewish reality. We dispersed the multimillion community of your former people all over the world.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 2 February 2021 17: 46
                    -1
                    Quote: ironic
                    We dispersed the multimillion community of your former people all over the world.

                    That's just not necessary about "dispersed" - they did not want to let go of the USSR, so you even pushed the Jackson-Broom amendment, you really wanted the sausages that everyone threw them here just to leave. True, those who left thirty years ago hardly now do not regret their thoughtless act - now there are a lot of sausages, everything can be bought in Russia.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 2 February 2021 18: 27
                      0
                      Well, yes, at first they didn’t want to, it’s a shame for the whole world, and then when they began to let go, they were robbed to the bone. Departure was normalized already with the death of the USSR, and even then not immediately. I left 30 years ago and for 30 years did not regret my act for a single minute, even taking into account all the improvements that occurred after the stabilization of the Russian Federation after the collapse of the USSR. I don't know a single person from those who left during my period to return to live permanently, I know single stories, but as a rule, there are many moments in them that you don't want to think about if you don't want to transfer them to yourself. I know many who have gone further, but those who have gone back, only from stories and really few, which is confirmed by statistics. Of those who came to Israel between 1990 and 2010, about a quarter of a million left Israel, only a few tens of thousands of them returned to where they came from for permanent residence. And you all do not exist with rotten non-kosher sausage 30 years ago.
            2. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 2 February 2021 09: 45
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              And in general now we are talking about Russia - for some reason, no one is coming to you, even Zhvanetsky died here.

              Well-arranged old people remained. The average age of a Jew in Russia is 65 years. In one generation, there will be practically no Jews. Those whom you are hinting at are mostly baptized, their children are finally assimilated in Russia.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 2 February 2021 11: 49
                -1
                Quote: andreykolesov123
                Those whom you are hinting at are mostly baptized, their children are finally assimilated in Russia.

                This is natural, because it makes no sense for them to leave here - they feel good here. A friend of mine, not a Jew, grew up in Belarus in a city that was part of the Pale of Settlement, and who has lived in Moscow for a long time, used to often fly to Israel on business. His impression of the outskirts of Tel Aviv - as if he visited Gomel in the sixties.
                1. andreykolesov123
                  andreykolesov123 2 February 2021 14: 37
                  0
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: andreykolesov123
                  Those whom you are hinting at are mostly baptized, their children are finally assimilated in Russia.

                  This is natural, because it makes no sense for them to leave here - they feel good here. A friend of mine, not a Jew, grew up in Belarus in a city that was part of the Pale of Settlement, and who has lived in Moscow for a long time, used to often fly to Israel on business. His impression of the outskirts of Tel Aviv - as if he visited Gomel in the sixties.

                  Tel Aviv has two outskirts. North and South. South is poor areas, the average price of an apartment there is 35-40 million rubles. North is for the rich, respectively, and the prices there are 2-4 times higher. How much is an apartment there in Gomel?
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 2 February 2021 17: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: andreykolesov123
                    How much is an apartment there in Gomel?

                    I have no idea - he talked about the color and smells that he remembered there.
                    1. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 2 February 2021 18: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: ccsr
                      I have no idea - he talked about the color and smells that he remembered there.

                      illegal immigrants from all over Africa live there. The smells are appropriate. Better not to walk along the southern TA. A northern one is quite civil:
          3. Plastmaster
            Plastmaster 2 February 2021 07: 49
            +1
            Quote: ironic
            Did the overwhelming majority of those who left the former USSR countries have problems with the law?

            Was wild not to visit. They would have twitched so under the king.
    2. Arpad
      Arpad 1 February 2021 19: 22
      +3
      Quote: Aleksandr1971
      It would be necessary to check the Russian state companies for the "Jewish threat". But the question is - if you find one, what to do?

      relax and try to have fun
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 15: 31
    +4
    Quote: nsm1
    Quite surprisingly, as for me, that the Chinese were allowed in general ...
    Noverno more there is no one, the Americans will definitely not build.


    It's just that Israel is one of the few countries that do not care about the opinion of the United States, because the opinion of the United States is largely formed in Israel itself.
    1. Glory to Berkut
      Glory to Berkut 1 February 2021 17: 33
      +1
      It seems to me that this is not entirely true. Israel is very important to the States. Without it, striped ones will lose the ability to influence BV. Rather, they will be like an elephant in a china shop. The Israelis are well aware of their position, their value, therefore, they are clearly using the States to the maximum for their own purposes.
    2. ironic
      ironic 1 February 2021 18: 23
      -1
      That's where you can find out about our abilities, not like the Israeli periodical, all about how small and weak we are.
      1. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 2 February 2021 07: 55
        0
        Quote: ironic
        , not like the Israeli periodical, all about how small and weak we are.

        I read the correspondence and see. How directly you want the little and the weak to be pissed off. And then it will start. Write something useful on your great and mighty. But no google.
        1. ironic
          ironic 2 February 2021 14: 22
          +1
          And I read the correspondence and see how racial hatred spreads without any reason, and then reasons in the spirit of the blood libel of the Inquisition period are dragged under it.
          One character here already wanted to talk to me in English without google, and screwed up to the full and merged. ? מה מעניין אותך בשפת הקודש
          1. Plastmaster
            Plastmaster 3 February 2021 00: 38
            0
            Thanks for the answer. But racial hatred had to be dealt with under Herod. I understand the competition. In my opinion, it is not necessary to come to someone else's garden with your own rake. Moreover, because of which, the whole world was raking and raking. I hope nobody's feelings hurt? This is me globally. I apologize in advance if I was not understood. Or they didn't want to understand. אני כותב דרך גוגל, אני לא מעוניין בשום דבר, זה אפילו מפחיד אותי. בורים רוסים מחפשים אותי בתמונה לנין והעובדים. אני מנסה להציע בערך המאה ההיא. זה נהיה מגוחך. כמה מאמצים וכסף בזבזו ברית המועצות. זה חל גם על מי שברח מהארץ שהעלתה את הנמלטים.
            1. ironic
              ironic 3 February 2021 13: 52
              +1
              It was necessary, but not those who wanted to figure it out won, but the invaders and collaborators, like Herod himself. This for him was a competition with the royal house of his wife, thanks to which he sat on the throne and which he did not want to see this house there. Yes, the Jews walked a lot in other people's gardens, but if they tweak beforehand, each such trip to other people's gardens began with an attempt to destroy the Jews in the gardens, and not vice versa, and it is because of this that the world has repeatedly raked, as the Scripture says "seven." You can try to understand, but I probably didn't understand your idea translated into Hebrew, although I understood each phrase separately. I asked you in Hebrew, what interests you about the "holy language"? And you answered me that you are not interested in anything, it even scares you (what scares you in the language?) And further - ignorant Russians are pursuing you in the picture Lenin and the workers? I do not quite understand what it is for? Are you trying to suggest something in the way that was used in that century? Which one? Herod? How much manpower and resources did the Soviet Union squander? Well, yes, I squandered a lot, it is known. Does this apply to the country that repatriated the fleeers? From here you have a mistake and a very serious one or ignorance of how much the Soviet Union got for every head of a departing person, starting from the 89th and up to the collapse of the USSR.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 17: 39
    +2
    Quote: Glory to Berkut
    It seems to me that this is not entirely true. Israel is very important to the States. Without it, striped ones will lose the ability to influence BV. Rather, they will be like an elephant in a china shop. The Israelis are well aware of their position, their value, therefore, they are clearly using the States to the maximum for their own purposes.


    This is not so, although I would like to deceive myself so.

    After all, both in the United States and in Russia, the economy and politics are ruled by Jews. I am still amazed that the Jews have not yet united the United States, Russia and Israel into one state under their leadership.
    1. ironic
      ironic 1 February 2021 18: 25
      -2
      Well, in the US, there are at least 6 lemons, and in Russia, where did the Jews stay, except for the name AEO? 85 thousand Israelis living under double passports in Moscow for Russian Jews please do not give out.
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 1 February 2021 19: 44
        0
        Quote: ironic
        except for the name AEO
        Where Jews never happened.
        I asked what kind of thing you have here ...
        The Jew is a gentle creature, loves warmly.
        1. ironic
          ironic 1 February 2021 21: 27
          0
          Therefore, a quarter of a million in Canada and even the northern lands of Germany ... definitely more than there was left in Russia, but it was ... so where are your Jews?
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 1 February 2021 21: 28
            -1
            Quote: ironic
            even the northern lands of Germany
            Even?!
            Is this a joke like?
            1. ironic
              ironic 1 February 2021 21: 29
              0
              No really.
              1. nsm1
                nsm1 1 February 2021 21: 30
                -2
                I'm not talking about what no.
                And about the fact that Germany is a southern country, with a room climate.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 1 February 2021 21: 42
                  -1
                  In the northern lands? I have to send you a photo, friends have relatives there.
                  1. nsm1
                    nsm1 1 February 2021 21: 43
                    -3
                    And what is there?
                    A little snow?
                    Funny ...
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 1 February 2021 22: 26
                      -1
                      Actually a lot ...
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 February 2021 17: 52
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    Quote: Glory to Berkut
    It seems to me that this is not entirely true. Israel is very important to the States. Without it, striped ones will lose the ability to influence BV. Rather, they will be like an elephant in a china shop. The Israelis are well aware of their position, their value, therefore, they are clearly using the States to the maximum for their own purposes.


    This is not so, although I would like to deceive myself so.

    After all, both in the United States and in Russia, the economy and politics are ruled by Jews. I am still amazed that the Jews have not yet united the United States, Russia and Israel into one state under their leadership.

    // I am still amazed that the Jews have not yet united the United States, Russia and Israel into one state under their leadership //
    Judging by the statements of the top officials of the main contenders for superpowers in relation to the priority of the security of the State of Israel over other external political problems in the BV, in some ways they have already united ... what
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 February 2021 17: 58
    0
    Quote: ironic
    Of course, I talked and even followed the Russian-speaking portals in Israel. Even such an attitude as you can find here on VO towards the Israelis, there is not an average of scrapes across the country. And for sure, apart from single marginals, you will not find mass wishes that the new Russian ship should be above the keel, not under the keel, and no one even suggests to be the first to zhakh on Hameimim, even cry.

    And in general, the attitude towards Russians among the middle class in Israeli society is very benevolent ... And the marginalized and ultra-Orthodox will always be dissatisfied with something ... For for various reasons they did not take place and one must blame someone.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 1 February 2021 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Shahno
      And in general, the attitude towards Russians among the middle class in Israeli society is very favorable ...

      This is not so - in the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of Jews are on the side of the Ukrainians, which surprises the Russian people, knowing how the Svidomye are reviving Ukrainian fascism.
      1. ironic
        ironic 1 February 2021 19: 53
        -1
        Yes, there is no need to come up with the usual easy excuses. Opinions were also divided, on Israeli portals there are disputes on this account among Russian-speaking Israelis. The situation is ambiguous. On the one hand, of course, Obamot added fuel to the fire (for various reasons I hate it very much), on the other hand, Russia has violated its own international obligation. On the one hand, it was clear to everyone that Russia would never give up Sevastopol as a naval base (just as it was also clear with Tartus), on the other hand, many other Ukrainian regions suffered, and there was no boomerang or relaxation of tension.

        PS By the way, I have always opposed such investigations on Israeli portals, believing that Israel and its citizens should not be a party to this conflict, even at the level for / against from outside. We have our own problems, in enough quantity to climb the world to solve.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 1 February 2021 20: 00
          0
          Quote: ironic
          ... Opinions were also divided, on the Israeli portals there are disputes on this account among Russian-speaking Israelis. The situation is ambiguous.

          And those who come to Israel to visit their relatives, then tell here that they all make claims against Russia, and even ask the question of why Putin will not be removed in Russia. You still have that circus there, and those who know your audience from the inside, slightly chuckle at your troubles. First, make the orthodox people follow the mask regime and not lead a parasitic lifestyle, then you may find out why Russian Jews are not going to move to you.
          1. ironic
            ironic 1 February 2021 21: 19
            -1
            Why not remove Putin is a stupid question. Accordingly, even if we proceed from a negative attitude towards him, a smart question will not ask.
            Russian Jews, if not to us, then to other countries, left you long ago. Therefore, there is almost no one already going there. What is there to be afraid of?
            It is impossible to force people like Peleg Irushalmi and some Gursky dvors to observe the mask mode. And the Orthodox are heterogeneous in terms of work activities too. I know very well who is a parasite and who is not. Parasites among the Orthodox, Arabav and Bedouins are a drop in the sea of ​​parasites among the high-paid state employees, so do not try to rub me glasses like the knowledgeable from outside. By the way, you have the same problem.
        2. Plastmaster
          Plastmaster 2 February 2021 08: 00
          0
          Quote: ironic
          on the other hand, Russia has violated its own international obligation. On the one hand, it was clear to everyone that Sevastopol, as a naval base, Russia would never give (

          Note, we did not start this.
          1. ironic
            ironic 2 February 2021 13: 03
            0
            Yes Obamot pissed off in many places, including Israel. We were furious when, with his submission, the turmoil began in Egypt. But nevertheless, Russia also chose not the best path, simply to take and denounce its own international commitment.
    2. ironic
      ironic 1 February 2021 19: 46
      +1
      Well, the Orthodox are also different, this is a completely heterogeneous society.
      1. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 2 February 2021 10: 03
        0
        Quote: ironic
        Well, the Orthodox are also different, this is a completely heterogeneous society.

        Well, you have something of a caste system. Exaggerated.
        1. ironic
          ironic 2 February 2021 13: 01
          +1
          Not caste. Difficult division into Khosids and Lithuanians, and Khosids, in their turn, have about two dozen species, and they are still divided into courtyards ... There are both Zionists and anti-Zionists, there are workers and there are those who study in yeshivas on the basis of benefits, there is something that serves and there is something refuse. Very challenging environment.
          1. Plastmaster
            Plastmaster 3 February 2021 00: 54
            0
            Quote: ironic
            Difficult division into

            Now, while I believed yours .... (I came, boy, talked, argued, I tried to find out from him. What Jews were not loved anywhere (if you believe the story). The answer was cool, no one understands us.). Maybe because you have a complex system of relationships, even between your own .. But, I'm not trying to teach you and "change shoes" into someone else's faith. Purely outside supervision. And the most vital thing .... I got rid of him. So, excuse me ..... but .... There is no breeding ground for nationalism in this article. Soooo, travel notes.
            1. ironic
              ironic 3 February 2021 13: 03
              +1
              I do not agree with his opinion, although the difficult relations between the Jews were predetermined by the way we formed as a people of 12 tribes, each of which had its own tradition, and the dispersion and persecution over 2000 years only added difficulties and differences in traditions and mentality. However, the dislike of Jews is based on something completely different - on the fact that the Jews, despite all the complexities of their relationships, did not mix much with the surrounding nations, and while mixing they digested mixed Jews, while, despite all the difficulties of relations, they professed the same paradigm, and far from only beliefs, but the whole way of life and practical worldview, which even non-believers have carried to this day, although they often do not realize this. And she seriously distinguished Jews and proselytes from everyone around them and distinguishes them to this day. This is the root of the negative attitude towards Jews. And it will not change whether the Jews do this or that. This has been proven by thousands of years of practice. As for your personal impressions of a specific person, these are just your specific impressions of a specific person. And his side, we will not hear.
              1. Plastmaster
                Plastmaster 3 February 2021 19: 50
                0
                Quote: ironic
                ... This is the root of the negative attitude towards Jews. And it will not change whether the Jews do this or that. This has been proven by thousands of years of practice.

                So maybe not perception comes from the fact that all this belief is superficial? Not native. For example, how would the whole life of mankind have changed if your religion does not advance ..... It seems to be Christianity, but how many branches. And all because certain structures, it was necessary to be able to steer, receive dividends for their ..... Sorry, herd. How many wars have happened because of this? Quite a lot. And for example, when Cyrilka calls the Slavs animals by the tivisor ..., then I got another disgust. No, I don't have Perun's house. But it was terribly insulting. And this imposition of my own objections simply leads me into a stupor. Yes, a joke with him, you believe in your newcomer, believe quietly, for yourself. And if I go out with the Slavic gods in Israel? Or else where ... will be eaten.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 3 February 2021 21: 42
                  +1
                  I am not painfully religiously performing by Orthodox standards. I rarely appear in Synagogue, I don’t wear a kippah, I go by car on Shabbat, although at one time I had the idea of ​​becoming orthodox religious, I promoted it for two whole years, but in the end I made a different decision and remained secular, although I now understand religion well and not only in the Jewish tradition. Nevertheless, if it were not for this paradigm, we would all still, as in Gamora, summon the spirits of the earth, pouring boiling sperm on the sacrificial bed. The pradigm of thinking and how this or that high-ranking spiritual leader implements it, using the institution of this or that religion, is not always the same. Atheism has killed more people than all religions combined. If you go straight to the Synagogue to the Satmar Hoshids with idols, you can get hit on the head, but the police will beat you off, don't worry, we have them trained in this respect. If you just go to a shopping center in the middle of Tel Aviv or Rishon? Well, they can look with bewilderment, that's all.
  • ironic
    ironic 1 February 2021 18: 27
    -1
    In fact, the fears were quite real, for there was a practice of actual colonization of ports by Chinese companies that were trying to manage them for a long time, selling their services on credit to countries that later could not cope with this credit.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 February 2021 19: 12
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Duc, I’ve already, read, exchanged the fourth decade. Fry is familiar with situevina.

    Tell me, Privalov, that you were an educated person from St. Petersburg who drove you to scruffy Israel, and even rejoice in this in thirty years?
    Recently I learned from an acquaintance of mine who lives with you, and whose son-in-law is a purebred Israeli, and who came to St. Petersburg for the football championship, that he was simply shocked by this city. He frankly told her that the Israeli press kept lying about Russia, that the people were completely different, that there was no trace of anti-Semitism, and that it was better to go to St. Petersburg than to any city in Europe, where he had visited many times, because people are much more friendly. Tell us that he lied, or is it really so?

    So in Haifa and Herzliya, where I have been living for more than one year, there is no Russophobia. What are you all trying to pull by the ears ... You can not forget the propaganda slogans ...
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 3 February 2021 11: 41
      -1
      Quote: Shahno
      So in Haifa and Herzliya, where I have been living for more than one year, there is no Russophobia. What are you all trying to pull by the ears ...

      Quit telling tales - many people from Russia go to visit their relatives and friends, or just on vacation, and for some reason they talk about your life differently. And no one really wants to go to you for permanent residence, even if they have the opportunity.
      Quote: Shahno
      .Can't forget the propaganda slogans ...

      Past the box office - I long ago realized the perniciousness of the Soviet government's ban on Jews leaving for Israel, so now, on the contrary, I welcome this process. It was necessary to accompany you in Odessa with flowers, and not hinder your departure. But the Soviet government loved the Jews so much, and was afraid that they might suffer during various Arab-Israeli wars, so it tried to save their lives. But the Soviet Jews did not want such love, they wanted sausages, and therefore nothing could stop them. So, I consider restrictions on the departure of Jews to be a big mistake of the Soviet leaders - I am serious, without any sarcasm.
      But here's what I don't understand - why people who have been living in Israel for thirty years and who have lost any connection with Russia, constantly hang out on the Russian Internet, and even try to explain to us how we should live. What are you there, you still cannot adapt in Israeli society, since you decided that the problems of Russia are more important for you than the problems of Israel? Or is it a manifestation of the "mysterious Russian soul" in the pragmatic character of the faithful Jews?
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 3 February 2021 13: 30
        +1
        // What are you there, you still cannot adapt in Israeli society, since you decided that the problems of Russia are more important for you than the problems of Israel? Or is it a manifestation of the "mysterious Russian soul" in the pragmatic nature of the faithful Jews? /
        No, it's much easier, at the everyday level. I am interested in Russia, if only because my brother's parents and family are there.
        And he moved because there was no other way to realize his plans, he was tired of fighting the system instead of normal work ..
        Ps. At the same time, I absolutely do not feel any nostalgia ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 3 February 2021 13: 45
          -1
          Quote: Shahno
          I am interested in Russia, if only because my brother's parents and family are there.

          This explains everything about you. But there are those here who don't seem to be as connected as you.
          Quote: Shahno
          At the same time, I absolutely do not feel any nostalgia ...

          At least this is fair, and I think that after 20-30 years of living in another country, interest in my former homeland is somehow lost. That is why the activity of some is surprising, who declare that they have voluntarily left for 30 years, but it is even more surprising that they did not even leave Russia. The mysterious soul of these emigrants ...
  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 2 February 2021 00: 11
    0
    Quote: ironic
    Baku friends are always honored with us. Salute to the city of peace Baku.

    Everything is mutual with Baku residents.)
    And all the best and best to you.)
  • Shahno
    Shahno 2 February 2021 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Quote: ccsr
    I have no idea - he talked about the color and smells that he remembered there.

    illegal immigrants from all over Africa live there. The smells are appropriate. Better not to walk along the southern TA. A northern one is quite civil:

    This is the specificity of our Israeli Babylon. I'm already used to it ... I just bypass the wild people, and that's all ...