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In India: Production of the latest air defense breakthrough fighters will not begin until 2030

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In India: Production of the latest air defense breakthrough fighters will not begin until 2030

R. Madhavan, Managing Director of the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, answered journalists' questions about when the company's enterprises will start assembling the first Indian fighter of a new generation. This is a fighter that belongs to the implementation of the AMCA program.


According to Madhavan, the project is currently at an early stage of development.

HAL Director:

The prototype aircraft will likely be ready by 2026.

Indian experts were disappointed with these statements by a representative of a military-industrial company. It was noted that talks about the AMCA project have been going on for at least 2 years, but the project has not moved beyond the "initial stage of development".

R. Madhavan was asked when, in this case, the start of production of the fifth generation fighters should be expected and how much does the state plan to spend on such work?

The head of Hindustan Aeronautics said that the production of the latest "air defense breakthrough" fighters will not begin until 2030. And the project cost is estimated at $ 5 billion.

The Indian Air Force expects that the AMCA will be a stealth fighter that can enter the enemy's air defense zone and perform missions not only against aviation, but also against ground targets.

R. Madhavan:

Today, the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) is working on a project schedule. At the same time, we want to attract private companies to work - at least two. It is believed that it is private firms that may own 50% + 1 share of the shareholding of the new joint venture.

In his opinion, this will increase the efficiency of work on the creation of a fifth generation fighter.

Indian experts are asking why, after two years of talks about the AMCA program, not only the final design version of the future aircraft has not been created (at least "on paper"), but the circle of participants in the implementation of this project has not been determined.

It should be recalled that in India they started talking about the need to implement the AMCA project after the refusal of joint work with Russia within the framework of the FGFA project (Su-57). Today, a considerable number of Indian experts believe that withdrawal from the joint program with the Russian Federation was a big mistake of the Indian government.
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  1. Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 February 2021 07: 09
    +4
    Probably they mean the purchase of our Su-57 or their assembly on our territory. lol
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 09: 22
      -4
      I am not an expert in military technology. But history shows that India is a country with a stunningly ancient industrial culture. Not at all lower than China. And if the Indians have lagged behind Europe since the 17-18 centuries, then they will not be a catching-up civilization for long. Maybe even later than 2030, but the Indians will create something that will correspond to the highest level of military technology.
      1. 12.7
        12.7 1 February 2021 13: 15
        +2
        Such cultures ... Khmers, Persians, Mayans, ... the sense is from their antiquity and industrial culture in the past.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 1 February 2021 15: 20
        0
        If you are talking about golden planes and manuscripts about vimanas, then they themselves do not know from which side to approach this.
        And in order to create something sensible from military equipment, you need to have a good school, which, unfortunately, they do not. The small British terrorized them for a very long time.
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 1 February 2021 17: 20
        +1
        India has an amazingly long history of handicraft beads and pots, but it has a much smaller history of industrial production compared to China.
        But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that the Chinese have a notion of a good imperial order, a centuries-old history of such formations and Confucianism, which greatly contribute to the organization of society.
        And the Indians, like the Gypsy, - who is richer, he steers and do not care the rules.
        There is no mass concept of discipline and order.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 1 February 2021 22: 06
          0
          Quote: yehat2

          And the Indians, like the Gypsy, - who is richer, he steers and do not care the rules.
          .
          In India caste system of society
          castes of India
          hi
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 February 2021 09: 27
      0
      If so, then the 30th year will look real ...
  2. Revolver
    Revolver 1 February 2021 07: 11
    +3
    All the way. They will cut for 10-15 years, they will cut several tens of billions, moreover, not rupees, but dollars. We can even produce a prototype, and even lift it into the air to make sure it flies badly. And then they will buy it. If Russia hurries up properly, then the SU-57, and if not, then the F-35.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 1 February 2021 07: 50
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      And then they will buy it. If Russia hurries up properly, then the SU-57, and if not, then the F-35.

      And this is unpredictable
      They have seven Fridays a week.
  3. Ka-52
    Ka-52 1 February 2021 07: 19
    +3
    And the cost of the project is estimated at $ 5 billion

    it is nonsense. This is the R&D cost of the aircraft itself. But that's only if you don't need to create related technologies. You can copy, but not all - the Chinese have been suffering with the power plant for 10 years. And in order to put the copied into production, you need equipment and technology again. In any case, the Indians would have spent much less funds under the FGFA program with a much more predictable time frame and result.
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 1 February 2021 07: 23
    +2
    If the Indians have seriously decided to develop a design school and their own aviation industry at the modern level, then they have only one way - close cooperation with one of the world's grandees. But there is little choice here. I would say that he is insignificant. Russia, only Russia. The US and France will not cooperate closely. China is a geopolitical adversary. And there are no other options.
    India lagged behind the first aviation powers for decades. It is impossible to win back this segment, so the Air Force is doomed to be one step behind all the time, if not two ...
    China, in due time, understood this. He approached this issue very competently. Having accumulated knowledge and mastered technologies, now he is trying to make his own product. But he also has problems, but not so critical.
    India's biggest mistake is in refusing to jointly develop a 5th generation fighter with Russia. They already understand this, but it's too late ...
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 1 February 2021 17: 23
      +1
      India needs to start with uniting society at the level of ideas. Without this, all their even super-rational attempts will simply be destroyed at the level of performers.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 1 February 2021 07: 44
    +1
    According to Madhavan, the project is currently at an early stage of development.

    This is just understandable!
    Glasses can still speak ???
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 1 February 2021 08: 18
      +2
      You can safely add a dozen to the forecasts for the 30th year, if not more_ well, by that time, either the donkey dies, or the padishah will lean back laughing ... I predict two options: they will involve our UAC in the development, or they will buy 57E, I am more inclined to the second option.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 February 2021 09: 03
        +1
        So they are molos! The time frame is set by ... extended.
        They will have time, room for maneuver.
  6. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 1 February 2021 07: 48
    +1
    According to Madhavan, the project is currently at an early stage of development.

    Music for songs is written lol
  7. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 1 February 2021 08: 06
    +1
    the dances are over iiiii suddenly it turns out that everything is just being worked out ... and the dates are more of an optimistic forecast because technologies need to be created from scratch ... and India is not strong at all with engines ... the experience of simpler production (for example, light Tejas) is history since 1983 and just came to production ... but here about something else ... a complex fifth generation ... this is not 2030 ... this 2040 will be more realistic ...
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 09: 25
      -2
      You are laughing at Indians.
      Also in Russia in 1904 they laughed at the Japanese and called them monkeys. But then it became clear who the monkeys were. But to be honest with yourself, do you think that the technological level of today's Russia is higher than that of Japan? It's the same with the Indians.
      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 1 February 2021 09: 45
        +4
        Before 1905, the British Empire pumped Japan up with the latest military technology, specifically for the war with Russia. However, from 1939 to 1945, the Russians returned the Japs from heaven to earth.
        So today, if the Japanese are deprived of the receipt of Technologies from the outside, they will quickly return to their usual state and stop developing.
        There are nations capable of creating, and there are copywriters, and this nature cannot be changed.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 09: 49
          -2
          Quote: Dmitry Makarov
          Before 1905, the British Empire pumped Japan up with the latest military technology, specifically for the war with Russia. However, from 1939 to 1945, the Russians returned the Japs from heaven to earth.
          So today, if the Japanese are deprived of the receipt of Technologies from the outside, they will quickly return to their usual state and stop developing.
          There are nations capable of creating, and there are copywriters, and this nature cannot be changed.


          Are you even slightly familiar with the history of India?

          Do you think that Indians are not capable of creating anything? Yes, the Slavs and other Europeans even jumped along the branches with their tails when the Indians created ancient first-class civilizations in the Indus and Ganges valleys.
          1. Dmitry Makarov
            Dmitry Makarov 1 February 2021 09: 56
            +1
            Today it is the Indians, Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese who are developing on a foreign technological base.
            Perhaps some of them will be able to return the palm.
            But there were, for example, the Indians, also a great civilization.
          2. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 10: 25
            -2
            Not proven, or runs counter to the generally accepted theory of the development of civilization. We, too, have ancient cities in the Chelyabinsk region dug up, and the Chinese wall will turn towards China with loopholes ... But everyone says that until 998 the Russians clung to branches with their tails when they ate the caught hedgehogs ...
            Sarcasm gentlemen)) But you should not judge the ancient Indian civilization, pejoratively mentioning the Slavic one.
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 10: 27
              -1
              I will say even more, I read sources (very voluminous material), where it is proved that it was the Slavs who brought civilization to India ...
              1. Aleksandr1971
                Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 10: 45
                -2
                The civilizations of Ancient India, Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, arose noticeably in the twentieth century. BC, that is, 3000 years ago.

                In order for the Slavs to bring civilization to the Indus Valley, it was necessary to have a civilization. And among the Slavs (and even then only among the Western ones - the state of Samo) civilization arose only by the middle of the 7th century AD. Among the Eastern Slavs only by the 9th century A.D.

                If you believe otherwise, then you are a supporter of alternative, so-called folk history.

                Personally, I am an adherent of scientific history taught in universities.
            2. FrankyStein
              FrankyStein 1 February 2021 22: 48
              0
              If someone told you that the loopholes of the Moscow Kremlin are directed inward? The Chinese Wall, or rather its remnants, has loopholes on both sides in some areas, and on the north side on the rest. Places there are hilly, mountainous and the wall was erected exclusively on their peaks. And as you know, nature does not build mountains along a ruler, like rivers, coastal lines, and therefore the wall winds so that sometimes it turns in the opposite direction. If you drove along a mountain serpentine, then you probably noticed that sometimes you move in the opposite direction, but this does not mean that the right side of the road has become completely left. The one who created this myth either did it intentionally, or was just a fool.
              1. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 22: 50
                -1
                I have nothing against)) this is a hypothesis))
      2. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 10: 20
        +2
        Not entirely correct example. Japan of the 1900s did not build warships, they built impudent ships for loans, Germany, Italy .... The Japanese fleet also included an old Chinese battleship from the times of the Japanese-Chinese war (trophy). Japan did not have any serious production. But I also agree with you that in the Far East and the Republic of Ingushetia, too, there was no nifig (1 ship repair dock could not serve the ships of the not so large Pacific Fleet).
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 2 February 2021 03: 31
          0
          Quote: Nikon OConor
          Japan of the 1900s did not build warships, they built impudent ships for loans, Germany, Italy ...

          It was only after that, for the Second World War, Japan built battleships, including the Yamato class, and aircraft carriers, and finally, there are a lot of cruisers and destroyers. And Russia during this time? 2 series of 4 not very successful battleships, and even then not all of them have been completed. And ... it looks like everything. And, no, there were only a few destroyers and cruisers, but not very many. After the war, yes, they built a lot, even several Kiev-class aircraft carriers and one and a half aircraft carriers - the long-suffering Kuznetsov and the Varyag completed by the Chinese.
  8. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 1 February 2021 08: 20
    +1
    Only an air defense breakthrough by fighters, only hardcore! Rockets, drones and gliding power supplies for weaklings!
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 09: 56
      -2
      I'm laughing too!

      And imagine that the Indians will create incredible military power and rush with all their fury and with nuclear weapons, for example, against China in 20-30 years?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 2 February 2021 03: 35
        0
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        And imagine that the Indians will create incredible military power and rush with all their fury and with nuclear weapons, for example, against China in 20-30 years?

        It would not be bad if they reset each other. But the turkeys are somehow not very well represented in planes and tanks of our own design. Only imported, and if their own, then on war elephants.
  9. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 1 February 2021 08: 26
    +2
    Manned aircraft for breaking through air defense ??? !!!
    This is not the next generation, this is the previous generation of ideas.
    Do they know about UAVs?
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 February 2021 08: 48
    +1
    The head of Hindustan Aeronautics said that the production of the latest "air defense breakthrough" fighters will not begin until 2030. And the project cost is estimated at $ 5 billion.
    That the Indians appreciated this project a little! laughing
  11. bald
    bald 1 February 2021 10: 17
    -1
    Is it that in such a room they arrange a run of the engine? !!! Some kind of crap.
  12. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 1 February 2021 10: 28
    0
    An air defense breakthrough is good for an attacking army, but where has the Indian army ever attacked?
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 11: 06
      0
      Quote: mojohed2012
      An air defense breakthrough is good for an attacking army, but where has the Indian army ever attacked?


      The history of India is such that for 3 or 4 thousand years of existence, Indian states have never attacked anyone except within their subcontinent. An exception is the Mughal dynasty, which temporarily annexed Afghanistan. But on the other hand, the Great Mughals are foreigners, they are Turkized Mongols from the Barulas clan, and not at all native Indians.
  13. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 1 February 2021 17: 12
    0
    Quote: Doccor18
    If the Indians have seriously decided to develop a design school and their own aviation industry at the modern level, then they have only one way - close cooperation with one of the world's grandees. But there is little choice here. I would say that he is insignificant. Russia, only Russia. The US and France will not cooperate closely. China is a geopolitical adversary. And there are no other options.
    India lagged behind the first aviation powers for decades. It is impossible to win back this segment, so the Air Force is doomed to be one step behind all the time, if not two ...
    China, in due time, understood this. He approached this issue very competently. Having accumulated knowledge and mastered technologies, now he is trying to make his own product. But he also has problems, but not so critical.
    India's biggest mistake is in refusing to jointly develop a 5th generation fighter with Russia. They already understand this, but it's too late ...

    It's just that the Americans / Chinese people in India have motivated someone for refusing to participate in a joint project of the 5th generation aircraft with the Russian Federation - so the Indians are floundering in a swamp they have created with their own hands, but they could have moved their aircraft building school much forward. But a donkey, laden with gold, crossed the road and no dances with a tambourine will lead them to a technological breakthrough in aviation. hi
  14. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 17: 32
    0
    Quote: yehat2
    India has an amazingly long history of handicraft beads and pots, but it has a much smaller history of industrial production compared to China.
    But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that the Chinese have a notion of a good imperial order, a centuries-old history of such formations and Confucianism, which greatly contribute to the organization of society.
    And the Indians, like the Gypsy, - who is richer, he steers and do not care the rules.
    There is no mass concept of discipline and order.


    As a Russian nationalist, I would be ready to agree with you, and even more, I would like to transfer your assessment to all other peoples.
    But I feel that the peoples of all South and Southeast Asia (except Muslims - let them burn alive in Hell), including India, are experiencing right now a powerful civilizational surge that will put East and Southeast Asia at the head of the whole World through an extremely short period of time in the historical cut - after 2-4 generations maximum.
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 2 February 2021 00: 41
      +1
      I would like to give another example - the behavior of the Turks. This nation has not had a great empire for a long time, but they remember what it is, remember the difference between Maidan and civilization, and this is reflected in their behavior, unlike a number of their closest neighbors. Well heck, there is a difference. And I see exactly the same difference between Chinese and Hindus. Yes, in everyday life the Chinese are sometimes still the same, it often seems that they were not taught behavior at all, but Yomayo, when it comes to social self-organization and discipline, including labor, how much higher are they than the Indians! And the culmination of this difference is the last parade of the Chinese. Tell me honestly, do you believe that the Indians in the next 20-30 years will be able to do something close? Not in terms of some expensive technology, but a united and powerful desire to do something outstanding together?
      I do not believe in this!
  15. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 1 February 2021 19: 50
    0
    Indians are worth reading, due to the absence of Zadornov. For 10 years, having spent 5 lard of greenery - to get a car of the 5th generation)))) I would rather believe that Elon Musk will land on Jupiter)))
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 2 February 2021 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Indians are worth reading, due to the absence of Zadornov. For 10 years, having spent 5 lard of greenery - to get a car of the 5th generation)))) I would rather believe that Elon Musk will land on Jupiter)))


      Believe that India will become the second most important power in the world after China during our lifetime. We are talking about that India, which we used to despise for poverty, for the caste system.

      And who once believed that the United States would become the strongest state in the world?

      I am confident that at the end of the 21st century, the United States will move to the third position after China and India.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 2 February 2021 12: 54
        -1
        Given their level of corruption, which is second only to Bandera's, I am tormented by vague doubts.