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US press: The state of affairs with the implementation of the Zumwalt destroyer program is depressing

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The American edition of The Hill published an article in which the author reflects on the problems of the US Navy. In particular, it is noted that already now, in terms of operational readiness, the Chinese naval forces are ahead of the American ones. According to columnist Steve Cohen, there are 293 ships in operational readiness of the US Navy, and about 350 in the PLA Navy.


From an article in The Hill:

In terms of the number of aircraft carriers, the United States, of course, is ahead of China. The score is 11: 2 in favor of the United States Navy. But how relevant is this numerical advantage, given that China has recently acquired missile systems capable of completely blocking the approaches to the PRC coast?

According to Steve Cohen, "China has become a major maritime power literally in front of Washington." The author believes that the US authorities have not taken any measures recently to maintain leadership in terms of the Navy.

From the material:

Our modernization plan fleet too modest, our work in this direction is too slow.

According to the author, the projects are alarming, which in the end are not implemented.

The Hill:

For example, these are the highly publicized Zumwalt class destroyers. The state of affairs with the implementation of the program of these destroyers is depressing.

The author notes that at first it was about the use of an electromagnetic gun, then it was decided to abandon this weapon.
Author:

As a result, the newest ships "smell like mothballs" just a few years after they were put into service.

The American publication says that against this background, the Chinese fleet is acquiring global capabilities, implementing new technologies, including nuclear ones.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 31 January 2021 14: 47
    +2
    The article forgot to mention the fact that China is lagging behind in the creation of nuclear submarines and SSBNs. What does it have to do with it strongly. The meaning of the aircraft carrier did not want to cover it under water with anything !?
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 31 January 2021 14: 51
      +10
      And what for China? They can BLOCK the approaches to the aircraft carrier. And they have enough submarines for their two aircraft carriers.
      PiSi: the minke whales have moved unhealthily. Is it possible to reach the beginning that over the past 30 years the military-industrial complex has been engaged exclusively in sawing? God forbid, they will really start making weapons, not mock-ups under the screeching of a chainsaw ...
      Although, unlikely. Too accustomed to drawing cartoons and cutting the budget
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 31 January 2021 15: 13
        +11
        Quote: Cowbra
        Is it possible to reach the beginning that over the past 30 years the military-industrial complex has been engaged exclusively in sawing?

        But how fresh and new it looked ... Some 40 years ago ...

        And someone for the Big Puddle of US "cartoons" reproaches ???
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 31 January 2021 19: 27
          +8
          Moreover, most of what we showed is already serially going to the troops ("Vanguard", "Dagger" and, if I'm not mistaken, "Peresvet"), and the rest will go just about. And SDI has remained the "masterpiece" of American animation.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 31 January 2021 22: 47
            -2
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            And SDI has remained the "masterpiece" of American animation.

            Nonetheless, SDI won the Cold War. The leadership of the USSR believed the cartoons and began to pump such funds into the development of response measures that the country simply could not afford at that level of the economy. Add to this a sharp drop in prices for the main foreign exchange exports of the USSR, energy resources, and the USSR is gone. At the same time, America did not invest so much in SDI, most of the topics were limited to theoretical research, and paper, pencil, and even a computer were not so expensive, and the salary of a doctor of sciences in America is not as high as it seems to some here on the site.
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 1 February 2021 15: 56
              +2
              The leadership of the USSR believed the cartoons only because the leadership of the USSR, unlike the leadership of the United States, really knew that EVERYTHING is realizable. Until now, we are flying into space. Because then, they believed and did, and did not flap. I don’t know if S.P. Korolev was a poet or composer, but Rogozin is more likely to be remembered for his poetry than for achievements in the space industry.
      2. spirit
        spirit 31 January 2021 15: 16
        +1
        Journalists scurrying) everyone would have such a sawn military-industrial complex) Comrades from the Middle Kingdom are still sitting on branches and their real combat potential is still unknown! China.
      3. bar
        bar 31 January 2021 16: 29
        0
        Quote: Cowbra
        God forbid, they will really start making weapons, not mock-ups under the screeching of a chainsaw ...

        Hardly. Hike they have the same case when "technology is lost" (c)
      4. Doccor18
        Doccor18 31 January 2021 16: 49
        +3
        Quote: Cowbra
        ... the minke whales moved unhealthily.

        Rule the seas ... Total domination of the sea ... Only it can allow you to rule trade, financial flows, and therefore the world.
        If someone else, even theoretically, tries to challenge this domination - then this is a shock, a disaster, a precedent ...
        From this the press and "howl" ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 17: 45
          -2
          The press does not howl for free, but if it does, then someone needs it, and who? It is clear to whom the military-industrial complex.
      5. ironic
        ironic 31 January 2021 17: 43
        -5
        How to block it? Uncovered destroyers? Ballistic anti-ship missiles? Well, I have already called these bezishodnost.
        1. KCA
          KCA 1 February 2021 10: 29
          +2
          The real military potential of the PRC is unknown to anyone, a country that can easily build a city for a million inhabitants, and not populate a single one there, can militarily do a lot, and if we take into account the Chinatowns in the United States, whose population is on the first order The CCP will oppose the country of residence, the fate of the United States is not enviable, there are, of course, dissidents and those who disagree with the CCP, but some 90% of the Chinese in the states will be enough for a full-fledged nightmare, and Republican supporters will also be connected and simply anarchists or BLM, AntiFA and others
          1. ironic
            ironic 1 February 2021 16: 47
            -2
            You probably forgot that part of the history in which before WWII the Japanese diaspora lived in Shatatakh and in what kind of sickly co-ve. So it took the States very little time to intern them all. China is definitely a great power and no one will deny it. But they still lack the strength to prevent any US action outside their own borders. And this is also clear, without being a deep military expert, and they also guess about it.
      6. Prisoner
        Prisoner 1 February 2021 15: 06
        +2
        Thirty years of carefree life is too long. During this time, losing a school like two ... like destroying a congress building. So, you have to pant to catch up. By the way, we are also that. No matter how unipolar world is won, but not a mattress one, but a celestial one.
        1. ironic
          ironic 1 February 2021 16: 50
          -2
          Yes, they have relaxed and they have internal problems, but their huge potential is still with them and it will take them even less time than the Russian Federation, starting with the coming to power of the GDP, to gather in a military LAN, if they make such a decision.
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot 2 February 2021 05: 43
      0
      Destroyers of the series "Zamvolt" place in Hollywood! As a set for Star Wars wassat I'm not kidding, just look at him.

      The money is gone ... "Irons" taught to swim. Axes and pitchforks are next!
  2. Poetry
    Poetry 31 January 2021 15: 07
    +3
    With "irons" the States are clearly out of luck. Well, nothing, they will print money, come up with something else.
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 47
      -4
      They will bring these, as well as the three sea wolves. And then they will create possibly cheaper versions for the stream, which at the end of the stream will reach the possibilities of a maximalist project, as is happening now with virgins. And the wolves have remained unrivaled to this day.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 1 February 2021 15: 08
      +2
      This "money printing" corrupted them and will destroy them. There is no one to invent. Got sick. And "the artist must be hungry." laughing
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 31 January 2021 15: 15
    +9
    It's a pity that a series of 40 pieces was not made smile
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 48
      -5
      Wouldn't. Just like it happened with the sea wolves. For that period, the cost of one finished copy was not serial for the economy.
  4. Sevastiec
    Sevastiec 31 January 2021 15: 28
    0
    Well, to hell with them! ..
  5. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 January 2021 15: 33
    -6
    The article is correct.
    The Chinese are arming faster than the Americans.
    Sumvolts urgently need to be armed with new SM-6 missiles,
    converted for anti-ship missiles, and forward to the Far East.
    Sink Chinese frigates and corvettes when the turmoil begins.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 31 January 2021 15: 54
      0
      Faster due to small displacement and relatively simple ships. The destroyer of China is the US Frigate, aircraft carrier = UDC. Each year, the US receives 1-2 Arleigh Burke and 1-2 Virginias. China has nothing close in quality. Yes, and countermeasures are being taken, a series of frigates, unmanned ships, UDC are launched, new destroyers are not far off. The ILC is being rearmed for the war in the APR.
      You also need to add to the US fleet, the fleets of South Korea and Japan. Which in themselves represent a formidable force.
      The main thing is to take into account the theater of operations, the US bases are located along the maritime perimeter of China, all coastal waters are under their control.
      The current development of China's navy is a defensive reaction in the first place.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 January 2021 16: 09
        +4
        South Korea will not get involved in a skirmish with China.
        Remains neutral.
        Japan - only when China attacks its territory.
        The states will have a hard time in sea and air battles around
        coast of China, from which it is possible to conduct rocket and air fire on
        bases and fleet.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 31 January 2021 16: 44
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          South Korea will not get involved in a skirmish with China.
          Remains neutral.
          Japan - only when China attacks its territory.

          They have no choice, key US bases are located on their territory.
        2. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 17: 52
          0
          America is unlikely to set the goal of massive attacks on coastal China, but rather the disabling of the Chinese fleet and island bases. Attacks on mainland China are of interest to them only in terms of the destruction of naval bases, shipyards and supply infrastructure.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 1 February 2021 00: 56
            0
            Quote: ironic
            America is unlikely to target massive attacks on coastal China,

            She, in principle, will not openly attack China, it makes no sense. China cannot attack, and theater of operations in favor of the United States is weak for this.
            They will shake the internal situation in China, create conditions for China to enter a war with its neighbor, they have problems with many. Hybrid wars at their best.
            1. ironic
              ironic 1 February 2021 17: 08
              0
              It is difficult, if not impossible, to shake the situation in China today, but with neighbors it is quite a possible option.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 1 February 2021 17: 15
                -1
                I don't know, we just don't know what processes are going on there. The USSR was also considered unshakable. Vinnie crushed the entire nomenclature under himself, made himself the eternal secretary general, before that they had time limits. Everyone knows how authoritarian regimes end.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 1 February 2021 17: 32
                  0
                  We do not know for certain, but it is almost impossible to hide something serious today. Therefore, I wrote that the option with neighbors seems to me a more realistic scenario, especially since the graters there are more serious.
        3. Viktor Afanasev
          Viktor Afanasev 31 January 2021 21: 05
          +1
          The moment South Korea drops US support, it is over. North Korea and China will quickly wind up this nest of capitalists ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 31 January 2021 21: 43
            0
            This "nest" is one of the most technically advanced countries in the world.
            With a strong army. China will definitely not touch her - she is not an enemy,
            and they will cope with the North on their own.
            1. Viktor Afanasev
              Viktor Afanasev 31 January 2021 22: 07
              0
              They will not cope with the North, China will always play for the North. But on the side of the United States, Japan and South Korea will remain until the United States weakens ... But whether and when it will be unknown ...
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 1 February 2021 00: 03
                +2
                In behind the times. China helped communist Korea
                70 years ago. Today the North is the same stupid hindrance and thorn in the
                towards capitalism (and even imperialism) of China
                as well as for all neighbors: Japan, South Korea.
                If the United States crashes North Korea, China won't hit a finger.
                1. Viktor Afanasev
                  Viktor Afanasev 1 February 2021 03: 11
                  +2
                  I’m sure not. There are not such corrupt communists as we have in 91 ...
                2. KCA
                  KCA 1 February 2021 10: 39
                  +1
                  China and Korea, both, will never forget the "exploits" of Japan, if there is a conflict, I will not be surprised if both the North and the South give together, spitting on the United States, the leadership of the South Caucasus, although it lies under the United States, but someone has a grandmother or a grandfather tortured samurai, or used it as bedding for Japanese soldiers, oh shit, and let the United States wait with intervention, and even China will tear Japan into shreds in a couple of days, the AUG and technically advanced destroyers like Arlie Burke simply will not have time to leave their bases, and the destroyers such as Zamwolt will not reach the Japanese Islands under their own power, they will stand, according to the old tradition, somewhere in the Suez Canal
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 1 February 2021 17: 18
                    -1
                    For a couple of days without nuclear weapons today, no one can break Yapinia. And although Koreya remembers the grievances, for political reasons he would rather support Japan than stay on the sidelines. USA Ms. is never in a state where they do not have the proximity of Berks and Ticonderogs. As for the Zumvolts, then for a few more years any ship of any country will not want to meet with him in a combat situation, as today any submarine would not be better off meeting a sea wolf, and he had the same history of high cost and exorbitant development costs.
                    1. KCA
                      KCA 2 February 2021 12: 11
                      0
                      It’s a pity for you, although if you voice the issued instructions, it’s clear what kind of Zamwalt is in a combat situation. Fuck, a destroyer built of gnome and sticks, or don't you know that its hull is made of plywood? FSB patrol boat rasgov .., exactly that, Zamvolt on chips from KPV, and in no way invisible it is only where they do not want to be noticed
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 2 February 2021 14: 41
                        0
                        Yes, yes, I have seen this kind of plywood in other places. Stronger than sheet steel. The patrol boat will not even know why it went down and not only the patrol boat, and the first class warship may not know. Especially for now, he will regret the sticks that went to the Zumvolts, which they did not want to notice. wink
                      2. KCA
                        KCA 2 February 2021 15: 27
                        0
                        Not dear, you, apparently, plywood is stronger than steel sheet, yes, composite materials are much stronger than iron alloys, but a destroyer built from them will cost like the entire Pentagon armament program for a year, and to "Sunflower" to file, Zamvolt, or not Zamvolt, according to the voiced data, for 2500 km a tennis ball detects, if there is a target, plus / minus killomerts in thirty, there is also a means of its defeat, let's not guess about the "Zircons", "Bala" is enough
                      3. ironic
                        ironic 2 February 2021 18: 49
                        0
                        /// Sunflower - short-range over-the-horizon short-range radar station. Designed to detect surface and air targets at a distance of up to 450 km. ///

                        And from the "Sunflower" they will have time to scatter when they get a rocket into the sunflower, because by itself it cannot aim any weapon, but it detects and transmits, and then it is necessary to aim the weapon after capturing the target. How are we going to capture it over the horizon? And it may be a ball, but in the air, not on the water, but on the water it detects not balls at all and the balls do not have a scattering coating and surfaces reflecting at the required angles. And at the Ball they will understand what the ball was staged for them and from what distance? After all, a ball and an anti-ship missile can be arranged for ground targets, and the new anti-ship missile from the Americans flies at very unbalanced distances, and it is also inconspicuous. This I did not touch on the CD with strategic ranges.
                      4. KCA
                        KCA 2 February 2021 19: 14
                        0
                        Even according to you, if the Sunflower has a detection range of 450 km, is it half an hour of the Tomahawk subsonic missile launcher flight, and all these half an hour the commander-in-chief Putin, Defense Minister Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov will just sleep a little, watching Axes on the monitors? Well, just idiots, right?
                      5. ironic
                        ironic 2 February 2021 19: 27
                        0
                        Well, they slept for half an hour at the C-400 radar in Hameimim, although they had to see the flight situation for hundreds of kilometers around in real time and transmit data to take the IL away from the potential fire of the Syrian C-200.
                        And who told you that it might not be applicable Axes?
                      6. KCA
                        KCA 3 February 2021 06: 48
                        0
                        No one will tell you or me what happened to the IL-20 in Syria, and the S-200, especially the modifications of the Dubna-U missiles, are quite good, I follow this topic a little, I live in Dubna and the Raduga State Medical Design Bureau "about 5 kilometers from me in a straight line, about 12
                      7. KCA
                        KCA 3 February 2021 07: 04
                        0
                        Although I'm lying, the bridge was built, the same 5 km
                      8. ironic
                        ironic 3 February 2021 12: 47
                        0
                        Data on all models of the C-200 complex has long been publicly available, it is no longer secret.
                        You may not be told this, but in our country it is fraught with such consequences for the current government that they will tell you so as not to lead to petitions to the high court. Actually, and so already told, but not from the official instance. For political reasons. Moreover, the official confirmed that it was precisely for political reasons that there would be no statement from the official representative, but what was and as is known in detail.
                      9. KCA
                        KCA 3 February 2021 14: 56
                        0
                        I wrote on VO more than once, for 65 years the GosMKB "Raduga" enthusiasts made an exhibition dedicated to various products, asked for materials on the X-101/102, just pictures, the special officer said that there were no such missiles at all, although the whole world was broadcast how Putin personally pressed the "Start" button of the X-101, but you are looking for political moments in terms of secret data
                      10. ironic
                        ironic 3 February 2021 17: 23
                        0
                        I don’t know about you, but what you just told didn’t make the X-101 more secret, but the image of a special person was more stupid.
                      11. KCA
                        KCA 4 February 2021 00: 56
                        0
                        I talked with counterintelligence officers, with some pretty close, I don’t know who were stupid, I only know who looked stupid, but it turned out that this was not so, they’re definitely holding you on a ballpoint pen, look around and wait, they will come
                      12. ironic
                        ironic 4 February 2021 22: 04
                        -1
                        Whatever the attitude towards Navalny, for example, but if systemic people did not do stupid things, this whole story would not look so stupid. Regardless of who is for a just cause and who is a villain in history.
                        They won't come. Correct security officials only go where someone has stepped on the pipe that pumps the loot incorrectly. And I'm too easy for that.
  • bar
    bar 31 January 2021 16: 33
    +1
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    The destroyer of China is the US Frigate, aircraft carrier = UDC. Each year the US receives 1-2 Arleigh Burke and 1-2 Virginias. China has nothing close in quality.

    If by "quality" is meant size, then the Chinese do not need it, if they are not going to "project power" around the globe like striped ones. And they may well repulse this "projection of power" near their shores.
    By the way, this also applies to us.
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 53
      -4
      Or they can't, until it happens, we don't know.
    2. ironic
      ironic 2 February 2021 19: 31
      -1
      Size has nothing to do with it. As well as its own coast, but the islands and bases in the disputed zones and gingival connections with overlapping ships, yes.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 31 January 2021 22: 57
    0
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    aircraft carrier = UDC

    Moreover, the UDC will soon carry the F-35B (vertical), which will immediately make the American UDC at least equal to the Chinese aircraft carrier, since the Chinese unlicensed copy of the SU-27K without a catapult simply cannot take off with a full load of ammunition, and their visibility is an order of magnitude more than the F-35B.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 February 2021 01: 01
      0
      With China's J-31s on the way, they could be a worthy opponent for the F-35. The United States can reduce the number of nuclear aircraft carriers and build a couple of dozen light aircraft. They can build them without reduction.
      1. ironic
        ironic 1 February 2021 16: 53
        0
        There are a couple of really unsolved problems with J31, you can see that not all the drawings of the 35th were downloaded when hacked.
  • ironic
    ironic 1 February 2021 16: 51
    0
    Well, about the 55th, I would not say that this is a frigate.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 February 2021 17: 21
      -1
      55 yes, a destroyer without question, rather even a cruiser. I mean 52nd.
  • ironic
    ironic 31 January 2021 17: 49
    -3
    Sumvolt will eventually be a sea wolf in surface performance. those. Ultimate shock unit of special operations.
  • ironic
    ironic 31 January 2021 18: 15
    -3
    China and will do it faster. The article is the same with the same ones before. The author, however, simply asks for money in disguise, that's all.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 January 2021 15: 34
    -3
    there are 293 ships in operational readiness of the US naval forces
    Do not despair. Your Navy will be "in pinned" by the Japanese Navy repeat
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 31 January 2021 15: 46
      0
      Do the Americans lay down - personal participation 1: 1 without the Japs and South Korea? .................................... .................................................. .......
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 31 January 2021 15: 44
    +2
    Is this a real ship? Looks like a Hollywood set.
    1. bar
      bar 31 January 2021 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      Is this a real ship? Looks like a Hollywood set.

      And there is. Painted veneer.
      1. ironic
        ironic 31 January 2021 17: 54
        -4
        But no one is even close to it and will not be in speed.
    2. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 55
      -3
      And so it should be, it should not look like a ship.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 January 2021 21: 44
      0
      Similar. But 80 cruise missiles can be fired easily. smile
      1. ironic
        ironic 1 February 2021 17: 19
        -1
        If only that. It could be Ticonderoga too.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 31 January 2021 16: 05
    -3
    As a result, the newest ships "smell like mothballs"


    Hire yourself a translator. In the original, the phrase "forcing some of the ships into mothballs" means "put on conservation."
    1. bar
      bar 31 January 2021 16: 36
      -2
      Apparently it meant that they would preserve the good old mothballs.
      1. ironic
        ironic 31 January 2021 17: 56
        -6
        Many national prides of different countries will go to conservation before it, but it will still be in the ranks.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 31 January 2021 16: 10
    +7
    Where are the comments from fanatical adherents of the American high-tech, who a couple of years ago, jumped out of their pants, that "Zumvolts" are the height of the development of civilization. laughing The king is naked.
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 57
      -9
      We were wrong, he turned out to be even cooler than we thought. This is really a spaceship, but so far only with a water propulsion system. And the fact that you do not see him, he thought so. It turned out he was not only physical, but also mental stealth. wink
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 January 2021 16: 40
    -1
    In terms of the number of aircraft carriers, the United States, of course, is ahead of China. The score is 11: 2

    I wonder what it gives, personally for crazy? Huge floating barges with aircraft, crew of 4.5 thousand, very vulnerable, defenseless against even conventional missiles, not to mention hypersonic ones.
    You will sink one of these, 10 others will be immediately cut into metal by the Americans themselves))

    And it's better not to talk about sumvolts at all. About the deceased, it's either good or not.
    Better nothing.
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 18: 07
      -9
      Allows you to dream of drowning, helpless cities on the water with the help of the battle sofa. Hearing the hypersound of the atmosphere beyond the atmosphere of the ballistic anti-ship missiles, as opposed to a subtle and real long-range anti-ship missile, which, when it hits the side at transonic speed, it will not even be clear who sunk you and where.

      And the surface analogue of underwater sea wolves, which no one has surpassed so far, even Shataty themselves, will be the same but above water, an extreme predator of pinpoint special operations, until a cheaper future streaming solution cannot be gradually budget-matched to its capabilities, as is the case now with the Virginias. This "deceased" will be more alive than all the living.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 31 January 2021 18: 10
        0
        Are you from the baltics? A characteristic accent of the lack of knowledge of the Russian language is heard)))
        Blood ran out of my eyes while I read it, because Russian won't write like that, even if he's 10 years old)))
        1. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 18: 59
          -4
          I am from Israel and for the last 20 years I haven’t written in Russian anywhere except forums, and I don’t have a Russian keyboard layout, so I write in transliteration, and I’m also dyslexic and therefore I make mistakes and don’t see them in all languages ​​that I know. Would you read me in English or Hebrew without a soft office speler, the impression would be the same.
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            2. Revolver
              Revolver 31 January 2021 23: 05
              0
              Quote: ironic
              It is possible any time you want it, but taking in account your tremendous level of humor, it is not going to happened, I guess ...

              I see that your English is not your first language, and not even a second language, like mine. So it’s better to continue in Russian, especially since most of those who come here do not speak English, and even more Hebrew.
              1. ironic
                ironic 31 January 2021 23: 11
                -3
                I didn’t claim that he’s my own, the second Hebrew for me is so clear, but I know it enough to write any technically and even not technically, logically constructed and meaningful text, unlike mine ... I don’t raise my hand to write "opponent". It was he who tried to rub in here that the only thing I can do in this regard is the auto-translator.
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 1 February 2021 01: 54
            0

            Sith Lord (Jorge)
            Yesterday, 20: 26

            -1
            I am from Israel and have not written anywhere except forums for the last 20 years.

            It is clear now))

            Eshkere, meschkere, zhelde-melde)))

            It's better to write in your own language.
            I will definitely understand)))

            I'm always amused by Sasha like from Israel, let's check)))
            I don't know Hebrew, but English is at the level))
            Isn't there an impostor, after all, from the city itself?)))

            Tell me, how much is matzo in your hometown?

            Seven times will twist, and still lie.
            • • When I, with proletarian ruthlessness, begin to thoughtfully treat the commanders of the cruisers, they immediately begin to break the Japanese tragedy in front of me: my father is a rickshaw, mother is a geisha, the son is Moishe, and we are innocent.
            Excerpts from the statements of one of the Russian admirals,
            Radzevsky Gennady Antonovich, commander of the 7 OPESK Northern Fleet.
          3. Revolver
            Revolver 1 February 2021 03: 21
            -1
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            I'm always amused by Sasha like from Israel, let's check)))
            I don't know Hebrew, but English is at the level))
            Isn't there an impostor, after all, from the city itself?)))

            Tell me, how much is matzo in your hometown?

            I understand you very much. Jews have taken over your head, and worse, they don't pay rent. Inevitably, you begin to hate.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 31 January 2021 16: 41
    +1
    The state of affairs with the implementation of the Zumwalt destroyer program is depressing

    Seriously? What a news..!

    But with the implementation of the Arley Burke tip destroyer program, everything is very disappointing ...
    In particular, it is noted that already now, in terms of operational readiness, the Chinese naval forces are ahead of the American ones.

    No need to write frank errrund.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 31 January 2021 17: 33
    -2
    The problem with mattress mats is that the true masters of the Washington region are concerned with their own enrichment, but with opposition to China. Hence the "Zamvolty", and "Gerald Ford", and "F - 35" and other miracle airplanes. The main criterion is their cost, that is, the producers' profit, not combat effectiveness.
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 18: 11
      -2
      The true masters of the Moscow region and the Bei-Dzhinshchina and even New Delishchina are concerned about this. Where do you think true altruists live? And who has already tested their combat effectiveness on themselves? Well, yes, about penguins in VO, or bad or nothing ...
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 31 January 2021 20: 08
        -1
        Have you tried to compare the appetites of Moscow and Washington?)))) The difference is an order of magnitude
        1. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 20: 13
          -3
          The difference is significant, but the kickback system is official there, and unofficial in the Russian Federation. wink
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 31 January 2021 22: 54
            -1
            How does the official kickback system improve the situation in the armed forces?))) What's the difference to the mattress admiral, 10 lard bucks were taken from him officially or not?))))
            1. ironic
              ironic 31 January 2021 22: 59
              -4
              The system makes a difference. Because you will have to officially pay taxes and contribute to the social security system. And this is also a budget.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 31 January 2021 23: 05
                0
                With what fright? The cost of the work performed is overestimated and the grandmother goes into the pocket of the owner of the shipyard, and not to blacks sitting on social benefits))) And the mattress hucksters have been doing this for many, many years. Senator Nye's Commission, in 1940, was also concerned with the problem of overpricing in private shipyards. About three or four years ago, in the net there was an interesting article, a retired mattress commander, in which he wrote that the fleet did not want any "zamvolty", they were quite satisfied with the modernized "bjork", no suitable. But in the opinion of the fleet, in Washington, they "put" a bolt with a left-hand thread)))
                1. ironic
                  ironic 31 January 2021 23: 17
                  -5
                  From this. Because everything that is declared must be paid taxes and social services. And there are a lot of articles, there are on the case, and there are dissatisfied that they themselves did not get it. There are different articles. Do you think something else is happening? But the treasury will not see either taxes or social services from this. By the way, we will also have a system worse than the US in this respect.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 31 January 2021 23: 53
                    0
                    Do you really believe in mattress tales about "a country of equal opportunities", "democracy" and universal equality?)))) I have two friends living in Wisconsin and California, bureaucracy and corruption are the same as everywhere else. Corruption and embezzlement appeared when the state and private property appeared, about 7 years ago, and will disappear when these two institutions disappear. Nobody pays taxes from money stolen during construction. By the way, the situation with "littoral" troughs, a clear example))) two different firms built almost identical in purpose and design "lushpayka", and as a result, it turned out that several lards taken from the blacks were thrown down to "Bobik's tail") )))
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 1 February 2021 17: 29
                      -2
                      There is no equality. Democracy in many countries is either an exhibition for show or reduced to anarchy. Bureaucracy and corruption, the difference in size and what limits them. What happened more than 5000 years ago, historians can only guess. Taxes are not paid only on what is not registered anywhere, but this is better organized for them. The design of the two littoral projects is just very different, another question is who pushed the two in parallel, yes. Well, we have almost the same type of Merkava-4 and Namer equipped with solutions from two different competing firms, who pushed this cut can also be discussed, but the uselessness of littorals is from the realm of dreams. They will do their job and will re-equip and upgrade them for this.
  • ironic
    ironic 31 January 2021 17: 41
    -6
    The author, who was quoted, is repeated after a hundred times already repeated, by the same authors, who does not add anything productive to the information about the project Zumvolt, but probably his own ganarar in the lobby of investment in the project has worked out. I understand the reasons. I do not blame the author, but there is no information content in this.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 31 January 2021 18: 45
    +1
    Quote: Dmitry Makarov
    Is this a real ship? Looks like a Hollywood set.


    If I had a budget 16 times larger, I would still
    not so wrapped - with "electronic" sails, wheeled
    running, with a bacterial reactor and a gorilaglass bottom.
    And I would shoot diapers with gravity guns,
    consumed, frozen in liquid nitrogen.
    Found someone to worry about. The rich have their quirks.
    There are three hefty foreheads in Ukraine, tied to
    old hood wheelbarrow and made rides in the snow.
    Two in intensive care, one on the spot.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 January 2021 19: 49
    +1
    Will I still build this Iron in, does it float on the water? wassat
  • Kushka
    Kushka 31 January 2021 19: 50
    -1
    Quote: Cowbra
    Really reach the beginning that over the past 30 years Their military-industrial complex engaged exclusively in sawing?

    Believe it or not, they know about it and have known for 70 years.
    Just at that time, their bulk put the tree in front of
    By the Pentagon (it was even shown in the news in the USSR)
    and hung all kinds of bolts, nuts and other pieces of iron on it
    with price tags - some from the local household store, and others are the same,
    but from the price list of the Pentagon, but 3 or even 6 times more expensive!
    Guard!! They are robbing the people! Cut!
    And it’s not clear that it’s one thing to pay an ordinary entrepreneur
    for bolts-nuts (+ overhead + transport well, etc.), and another,
    when the Pentagon pays Northrop for the 5th generation, and there is already the 6th
    in development, plus (or rather minus) a couple of prototypes in the basket.
    This cut for the hillock does not go away, like we do, it settles there and
    You will not believe it, it even comes to a hard worker - in the military-industrial complex, a good
    workers need to pay well (and let the private owner make the bolts himself
    with son). And they will not steal. Well, how can you imagine if the top
    Boeing manager slamzit 100 million for the next tender
    lose Northrop in a row for 100 billion (with his share in it 200 million),
    because their prototype came out better?
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 20: 18
      -3
      This exists in the military-industrial complex of almost all developed countries, moreover, in the States, kickbacks were also legalized and sorted and spread out according to tables. This did not destroy the attempts to make money on the quiet, but significantly reduced them. There is no military industrial complex without cuts, there is where it is done with greater order and productivity and, accordingly, less.
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 31 January 2021 21: 55
    0
    there is a wonderful story about the fight between Merimark and Virginia ..... two irons gone down in history as indecent
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 1 February 2021 03: 40
      -1
      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
      there is a wonderful story about the fight between Merimark and Virginia ..... two irons gone down in history as indecent
      It is only from these two "irons" that all subsequent armored ships came, up to the Yamato, which ruled the seas for almost a century.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 1 February 2021 21: 23
        0
        But all subsequent armored ships originated from these two "irons" ... from a tension globe to an owl and vice versa ... neither Merimark nor Virginia had stability systems ... and the shape is not particularly important with mastodons .. . seaworthiness is important. Merimark and Virginia weren't.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 February 2021 01: 31
    +1
    Well, yes, but the railgun is on the Chinese destroyer. While in the experimental version of course laughing