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Zoya, Sasha, Lyubov Timofeevna, forgive us!

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Mr. President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!


Even in your New Year's address, you could not fail to mention the importance of Victory Day. But at the same time, the people you appoint to responsible posts ruled by your appointed ministers continue to distort and rewrite history.

I would like to remind you how recently you so actively spoke out for your amendments to the Constitution, which will help protect our history and so on. This is in words. But in fact we have yet another libel, removed for the state's millions and thousands, collected from the people.

Zoya, Sasha, Lyubov Timofeevna, forgive us!
Zoya and Alexander Kosmodemyanskiy with their mother (June 1941). The cheated war heroes that the new Constitution must protect


And I blame this on the hotbed of history scribes, the Vlasovites and the White Guards who have settled down in the so-called "Russian military-historical society" and the Ministry of Culture, which indulges them in everything.

On January 29, I once again killed part of my time to watch the next "film masterpiece". THIS was shown in only three cinemas in my city, so I also had to skate. Not everyone, apparently, decided to get their hands dirty.

In general, everything is classic. It seems that everything, the next bottom is broken, but no. New day and new blows from below.

Yes, after watching "Podolsk Cadets", a film that was not without flaw, but filmed with soul and looked in one breath, IT looked like another nightmare.

A separate conversation about the authors of this "masterpiece". A simple internet search gives an idea of ​​the authors. Maxim Brius and Leonid Plyaskin. The directors filmed, but ... as they say, they were "known in narrow circles" as directors of ... crime series! Moreover, such ... not in the top.

Yes, they also shot the series "Young Guard". Reviews on the resources are just lovely.

“The plot was distorted, the dialogues are ridiculous, insincere, absolutely not touching the soul. There are, of course, terrible episodes, but Fadeev described the events in Krasnodon in such a way that his hair stood on end, and when I read the documentary about the execution of the Young Guard, believe me, it’s terrible what the Nazis did to them there ”.

“In general, I didn’t see anything special in the series, I counted on and secretly hoped for something very strong that would strike no less than the“ Brest Fortress ”, but I got a film that doesn’t even reach a C, I got the feeling that this is some kind of amateur performance, by the way, and the shooting is very mediocre. Theater of the Young Spectator ".

“The book contains pure souls, patriotism, Koshevoy's tenderness to his mother (which is worth his monologue about maternal hands). In the series - Koshevoy is some annoyed teenager, rude to his mother, fawning at the Germans.
Fu, a feeling of disgust and bitterness because some of the series will give the impression that it was so. "


In general, this is otzovik. Then think for yourself.

And so this couple of directors of crime series began to shoot a film about Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya.

But before taking on the film itself, it is worth saying a few words about how they began to create it.

The godfather, that is, the initiator, was Vladimir Medinsky and his RVIO. The company is already somewhere, but that's not all.

The scriptwriters Andrei Nazarov and Andrei Tumarkin, if you look at them, are also the creators of criminal detectives. And initially Elizaveta Trusevich was indicated as the author of the script, but apparently, something went wrong.

And Andrei Nazarov began working on the script, who had already composed “Tanks"And" Sobibor ", about which the discussion on our pages was far from positive.

But Andrei Nazarov is an advisor to the chairman of the RVIO Medinsky ... Indeed, why send money to the side?

Yes, they wanted as much money as 150 million ...

But thank God, they didn't. Medinsky is no longer the Minister of Culture, and therefore for the next libel they decided that half would be enough. The budget was cut.

In general, of course, what is happening on the screens is just a reflection of our reality. And the reality is that they do what they want. What's in life, what's on the screen. And the fact that they decided to save money is nothing, the electorate will not gobble up so much.

And once again we got shit in history. And today the film "Zoya" I can quite put on a par with "Bastards", "Enemies", "Indestructible", "Save Leningrad", "Citadel" and other hats taken by our cinema.

The script is, of course, a masterpiece. But in the numerous jingo-videos glorifying the film, they said how "carefully studying the documents" the authors tried to create the image of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya. I don’t know where they got these, if I may say so, “documents”, but the fact that the best document, “The Tale of Zoya and Shura,” written by their mother Lyubov Timofeevna Kosmodemyanskaya, they did not even take into their hands. This is an indisputable fact, because I just read this book.


And to me it is very strange, although understandable, the metamorphosis from yesterday's schoolgirl of 18 years into a completely fertile lady of almost 30 years. Well, of course, you need to introduce the topic of relationships into the film, how can you do without them, right? And here 18-year-old Zoya (and then 18 years old is not like now) well, in no way can personify the intentions of the authors of the film. Need sex. It must be shown that even at that time everyone wanted ...

And they show, though "12+".

In general, after watching the film, I really wanted to shout "Release the Kraken!", That is, Evgeny Bazhenov. Which I personally respect, first of all, as a person. This is "Bad Comedian", if anyone does not know. His review would probably have left this gang of criminal tenants without a profit, and preferably out of work for the rest of their days.

However, I will note that in my city "Zoya" is shown in only three cinemas, and in such distant corners that you will just go on purpose. Yes, I was very pleased, on the second day after the premiere, at a show at 17-40 in the hall for 120 seats, there were exactly 6 of us (Six). And finished watching and generally three.

But this is not the whole horror that I would like to tell.

At the end of the film, a kind of "work" sounds. Solemn and rooted in biblical motives.

The credits indicate the author of the music Ilyas Autov and the author of the text Dmitry Donskoy.

Ilyas Autov is the leader of the Kazakh group Motor Roller. But Dmitry Donskoy ... This is a well-known poet to all of us, the general director of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin! So modest, he hid under a pseudonym.

In his spare time from space problems, Dmitry Olegovich wrote the text for the forty-minute work "1941", for which, of course, special thanks to him. We will not say for "successes" in space, there is nothing to be grateful for, but for the cantata - probably, it is necessary.

Why in Russia there were no people willing to write music for such a magnificent work, I will not comment. I didn't understand myself.

Now about the film, if you can call it a film.

Everything starts more or less beautifully and goes on for about five minutes. Black-and-white Komsomol members are dancing, it hints that they even dream of something more ... Despite the policy of the Party and Stalin himself.

And then the war begins. And the rest of the time, until the last monologues, Zoya for some reason does not utter a single intelligible phrase. She's busy. She is running somewhere all the time. Sobbing, emitting groans, generally a host of indistinct sounds. Probably, in theory, they should represent something, carry some meaning ... I did not see. More precisely, I did not hear.

In general, I got the opinion that Zoya was assigned the role of the mentally unstable, as portrayed by the famous liar Andrei Bilzho, who lied about everything about Zoya. Including the fact that he allegedly read her medical history.

In general, 18-year-old Zoya performed by 27-year-old actress Mishina looks ... Yes, that's exactly what it looks like.

Zoya's brother Shura also got his. And how is it worse? He was 17 years old. In the film, he is also played by an actor who is not quite for his age, so a very strange impression is created of how awkward and frankly blunt Sasha tries to get into the army, and everyone just kicks him off. What the authors wanted to show is not clear. But they didn’t read history.

Indeed, at the age of 16, Alexander wanted to go to the front and avenge his sister. Such were they, Komsomol members. But there was nothing like in the film. Alexander was immediately sent to a tank school, and he got to the war only in 1943. But before that, he was not confused about military registration and enlistment offices, but studied military affairs in a real way. Which he confirmed by his actions in battle.

But the film has two lines in the credits. Why make him a hero, right?

Lyubov Timofeevna Kosmodemyanskaya also sobs and groans throughout the film. I did not understand where they got it from, but what is written about this woman does not fit at all what was filmed in the film.

Yes, the Kosmodemyansky were out of luck. And again it is not clear why it was impossible to make a film just by reading The Tale of Zoya and Shura.

However, it is clear.

But how the Germans were licked! Indeed, "ubermenshi", representatives of a different, highly developed civilization! Next to the downtrodden Soviet peasants, they look very impressive. Directly, "their honor" ...

And what else can you expect from the White Guards from the RVIO?

By the way, in the film Zoya for some reason does not appear as Tanya. As it was in life. Do you know why? And because Tatiana Solomakha, a red Cossack woman, a member of the RCP (b) since 1916, was brutally hacked to death in 1918 by precisely those White Guards for whom Medinsky and company shed tears so much.

In general, the miscarriage of the Gorky film studio is replete with Hollywood clichés. Disgusting and stupid.

The "training" of saboteurs is simply one-to-one lapped up with Hollywood films. All the same crawling under the wire, all the same shooting over their heads ... Boring, girls ...

A fascist urinates on the head of Zoya, who is lying in ambush. Probably, they wanted to show the "truth of life". But in principle, nothing, we all have a small need for our heads coped with this film.

You can say "thank you" for not showing the scene of the gang rape of Zoe by a platoon of soldiers. I think this is a little ahead of us. Also in the "Truth of Life" section.

Stalin, personally instructing Zoya to set fire to the huts ...

In general, as always: lies, delirium, stupid and sluggish dialogues, complete impotence. Oohs, sighs and groans, like a soundtrack to fill the pauses. Apparently, they thought so to show the inner tension of the heroes. In fact, it is a nedoporno film on an audio track.

I don't want to continue. The next millions were thrown out on the next lie of the Vlasovites and the White Guards from the RVIO under the command of Medinsky. And what infuriates most of all is that on the next. That films that can be watched without a gag reflex come out in spite of us, not with government money, but at the expense of anyone, but not the Ministry of Culture.

We have already talked and written so much about the degeneration of our cinema. The fact that modern screenwriters are unable to write a more or less intelligible script. The fact that directors, in their attempts to copy Hollywood films, stamp miscarriages from cinema. About the decline of Russian cinema in general and military-patriotic cinema in particular.

About the fact that films, poor in meaning and content, will not stir up anything in the minds and souls, except for contempt and hatred. And nothing will change about voting, or not voting for the next changes in laws up to the Constitution.

In the words of the great Bulgakov, "the mess is not in the closets, but in the heads."

Vladimir Vladimirovich, it's time for you to think. Your people are doing outright chaos, against which YOUR Constitution should work, which YOU so urged us to approve.

And where are the results?

And I urge all reasonable people to ignore this next disgrace.

Indeed, Zoya, Shura, Lyubov Timofeevna, forgive us sinners. I am very ashamed that this is happening in our country.
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 31 January 2021 05: 13
    +82
    - Don't watch modern war films.
    - Um ... But there are no others.
    - Don't look at any.
    They do not know how because. Neither the directors, nor the actors to play shrilly, truthfully, in such a way that they touch their hearts. There are Soviet ones, thank God, that's what you need to watch.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 31 January 2021 05: 53
      +16
      Quote: Crowe
      no actors play

      They only know how to mutter under their breath
      It is impossible to understand and make out what they say in half of the dialogues.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 06: 00
        +25
        I am very ashamed of what is happening in our country.
        Author:
        Roman Skomorokhov
        +
        1. 210ox
          210ox 31 January 2021 07: 00
          +17
          RVIO? Why not a word about Shoigu? After all, he seems to be in charge there. With Medinsky, everything is clear.
          1. 1536
            1536 31 January 2021 07: 47
            +30
            S.K. Shoigu has been the chairman of the Russian Geographical Society since 2009. Are there any claims to geography? Not! But why the Ministry of Defense does not order patriotic films on military history to filmmakers, and then does not carry out their "military acceptance" by the type of acceptance of weapons (the best in the world, by the way), this is a question.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 31 January 2021 08: 24
              +44
              ... And I blame it on the hotbed of history scribes Vlasov and White Guardsentrenched in the so-called "Russian Military Historical Society" and the Ministry of Culture

              So we have a corresponding flag.

              It is significant that in a society lacking a national idea, the world is ruled by money, selfishness, bad taste and the loss of reference points - historical roots.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 31 January 2021 10: 39
                -11%
                I don't know ... With Skomorokhov's reviews of films, like in the 50x50 lottery. I always read, then look (or try to watch) and understand that I often disagree with his categorical opinion.
                Here is "Holiday" - I could not even look. Just picked it up and turned it off.
                "Rzhev". According to the author, everything should have been wrong! But I read a short story, which was later filmed, and I realized that the director also took pity on us viewers. He did not even show the drunken battalion commander, who sent the rest of the company to the last attack. Smoothed, put in the mouth of the battalion commander the noble words "must!"
                "Sobibor". Again, positive emotions. Unlike most of the comments.
                "Podolsk cadets".
                After the oil that Roman had smeared on the film, I watched it in high spirits. I expected a film to appear in my collection that I would like to watch again. But no ... Stereotyped techniques, phrases and faces. It was especially annoying when a lieutenant, a moment before his death, frantically searches for a photo in his pocket to attach it to the gun shield .... Well, the German grenades. During the burning of fuses, the heroes have more time than half a movie! And it burns, judging by those data, for seven seconds.
                So with "Zoya" I will not rush to conclusions, although participation in the creation of Medinsky and Rogozin already says a lot. And not in favor of the film.
                1. Civil
                  Civil 31 January 2021 14: 11
                  +20
                  Even not the best Soviet films about the Second World War are striking in quality against the background of the horror that is now being driven, not to mention "They fought for the Motherland", "Aty-baty ..." and so on.
                  A scoundrel, a thief and a corrupt official will never be able to understand, let alone make a movie about honor, duty, conscience and courage.
                2. albert
                  albert 31 January 2021 16: 48
                  +4
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  Sobibor. "Again, positive emotions

                  In fact, the film is horrible, although they say that there is no friend in taste and color. I recommend watching this video.
                  1. The leader of the Redskins
                    The leader of the Redskins 31 January 2021 16: 57
                    -5
                    Began to browse. Not convincing. We're talking about feature films. It is allowed to allow slight deviations and inconsistencies there. This is not documentary, after all. I looked at Sobibor, and then I started to study the issue. I didn't have any rejection.
                3. Vend
                  Vend 1 February 2021 19: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  I don't know ... With Skomorokhov's reviews of films, like in the 50x50 lottery. I always read, then look (or try to watch) and understand that I often disagree with his categorical opinion.
                  Here is "Holiday" - I could not even look. Just picked it up and turned it off.
                  "Rzhev". According to the author, everything should have been wrong! But I read a short story, which was later filmed, and I realized that the director also took pity on us viewers. He did not even show the drunken battalion commander, who sent the rest of the company to the last attack. Smoothed, put in the mouth of the battalion commander the noble words "must!"
                  "Sobibor". Again, positive emotions. Unlike most of the comments.
                  "Podolsk cadets".
                  After the oil that Roman had smeared on the film, I watched it in high spirits. I expected a film to appear in my collection that I would like to watch again. But no ... Stereotyped techniques, phrases and faces. It was especially annoying when a lieutenant, a moment before his death, frantically searches for a photo in his pocket to attach it to the gun shield .... Well, the German grenades. During the burning of fuses, the heroes have more time than half a movie! And it burns, judging by those data, for seven seconds.
                  So with "Zoya" I will not rush to conclusions, although participation in the creation of Medinsky and Rogozin already says a lot. And not in favor of the film.

                  I fully share your opinion.
              2. paul3390
                paul3390 31 January 2021 11: 43
                +26
                So we have a corresponding flag.

                This is generally some kind of sur - films about the Patriotic War are not filmed by those against whom our grandfathers, in general, fought ... And they rule us - the same. After that they still have the audacity to conduct a type of Victory Parade .. Under their own flags. Although then it was just those who won .. And we - then fucked everything up ..
            2. ermak124.0
              ermak124.0 31 January 2021 10: 30
              +7
              I have the same question. Spawned in the MO "political officers" who only get confused under their feet, get in the way of ballast and do not do nichrome. That would be to get down to business, these ... hmmm ..
              educators.
            3. 210ox
              210ox 31 January 2021 16: 55
              +1
              Sorry for the mistake. Yes, he is in the Russian Geographical Society. And I agree with the rest of what you said. Patriotic products must be created under control. However, there may be "controllers" like Mikhalkov with his "Citadel"
          2. icant007
            icant007 31 January 2021 12: 11
            +17
            From the experience of my communication with the Rostov branch of the RVIO, I got the impression that this is a sharashkin office. As someone who is fond of military history, I tried to join this organization, hoping that I would find application with my interests and be useful in educating young people ..
            Back in the spring of 2018, I registered on the site. I started paying dues. Write letters, and silence in response. Finally I wrote to the local office. They said the statement was out of form. Rewrote. I waited six months. It turns out that the secretary has changed. The statement was lost. Spat on them. After a while I wrote again. Have registered. They said to wait. It's time for the annual meeting of the RVIO, I'm not on the list.
            He spat again. Covid came.
            In the fall I wrote. New secretary again. They said my card came, but we will give it out at the general meeting. He's not there yet.
            The local leader also assured us that we certainly need people, we have a lot of work.
            And then there was silence again.

            It seems to me that this office needs to be dispersed and reassembled from search engines and reenactors. And to drive everyone in the RVIO in power.
          3. Deck
            Deck 31 January 2021 16: 07
            0
            How can you write about a person about whom legends are made, books are finally written:

          4. bk316
            bk316 1 February 2021 11: 04
            +2
            Why not a word about Shoigu?

            And where does Shoigu and RVIO have to do with it?
            Confused history and geography?
            So Shoigu specifically gave an interview at one time: geography is not a history of two views.
            In fact, about the fact that he, not being a specialist, does not want to go into much that.
            Well, Medinsky on the monarchist White Kazak theme, in my opinion, is slightly moved.
            There are such people at VO. But you don't have to do it for sure with such stubborn ministers ...
      2. Van 16
        Van 16 31 January 2021 06: 20
        +17
        "Half of the dialogues are impossible to understand and understand what they are saying."

        There is such a thing. But this question is no longer for the actors, but for the directors and sound technicians. Probably half of our TV shows and films have very bad sound. Amazingly, they find money for unnecessary and stupid special effects, but not for normal voice acting ..
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 31 January 2021 06: 25
          +8
          Quote: Van 16
          But this question is no longer for the actors, but for the directors and sound technicians.

          And even more to those who have not taught them the correct stage speech.
          Now it's fashionable to shoot TV shows about cops.
          Let's compare at least with the series "The Investigation is Conducted by the Experts"
          Here is who the correct stage speech should be taught to nim modern "stars" jumping from series to series and chewing porridge in front of the camera
          1. svp67
            svp67 31 January 2021 07: 23
            +12
            Quote: Lipchanin
            And even more to those who have not taught them the correct stage speech.

            Why did they stop hiring "military consultants"? There are so many LYAPOVs in these films, especially "Podolsk cadets" "killed", where the reenactors playing for the Germans act more or less normally ...
            And already "fantasized" stories, in the same "... cadets" ... What is one story of Starchek. Why did it? This person has such a life that if it is embodied on film, it will be cooler than any Rambo.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 42
              +17
              Quote: svp67
              Why did they stop hiring "military consultants"?

              Because there are practically none of them left
              A normal consultant after reading the script will not go to advise this get on.
              And if his name appears in the credits, his colleagues will not shake hands with him
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 31 January 2021 07: 10
        +14
        Come on, just that. So after all, they were oiled so that you can't understand a film about the war or the artists gathered in a nightclub
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 13
          +1
          Quote: YOUR
          So after all, they were oiled so that you can't understand a film about the war or the artists gathered in a nightclub

          About make-up, that's another story altogether.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 31 January 2021 07: 59
            +17
            Twisted the other day on the channel Weapons the series Fighters. Oh mom !!!! I'm crying. I am not writing about the compliance of the equipment with the specified period, it somehow caught my eye - the commander of the regiment, Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant Colonel Kanishchev did not make a single sortie. In general, I did not make a single departure, even a training one. He only sends packs of youngsters into battle - jerks, yesterday's cadets, as well as girls. But the political officer flies and knocks down.
            Or Night Swallows could not watch a single episode at all. Where one of the Arntgolts sisters is, the film turns into self-admiration.
            Here are some classic examples of directing and acting. They turn war films either into comedy or love-bed third-rate films.
            Unpleasant
            Nevertheless, there are still some films that are shot perfectly and the plot is wonderful and the artists play from the heart. One of these is the Brest Fortress.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 31 January 2021 08: 07
              +10
              Quote: YOUR
              Here are some classic examples of directing and acting.

              You forgot about the writers
              They write this nonsense
              The thing is that our generation still found the warring generation and the participants told us about the war, not pseudo historians.
              I asked my grandfather a lot about the war. Told But most often he said, "The war is scary. And God forbid you granddaughters to go through this"
              And I believed him and I believe. He burned in three tanks
              In the first on the Kursk Bulge, in the third near Warsaw
              He returned from the war from the hospital in 1946
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 57
                +3
                Quote: Lipchanin
                And I believed him and I believe. He burned in three tanks

                My about how many tanks I changed and never showed .. But I could not be in the sun - my whole back is a continuous scar from a burn.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 1 February 2021 06: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  My about how many tanks I changed and never showed ..

                  My grandfather didn't speak for a long time either. Somehow not quite sober told
                  In general, the front-line soldiers were very reluctant to talk about the war.
                  My friends and friends said the same about their fathers and grandfathers
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    In general, the front-line soldiers were very reluctant to talk about the war.

                    You will tell - you will relive it all over again .. I almost never told my father .. only about Babi Yar I opened up a little bit .. And in modern cinema they pour mud and slops - and not people .. they will knock out such stools from under the partisans ..
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 1 February 2021 06: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      You will tell - you will relive

                      Yes, most likely it is
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 31 January 2021 16: 54
              +5
              One of these is the Brest Fortress.

              So this is a Belarusian film, there is no Medynsky
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 1 February 2021 02: 53
                0
                They put on films, and not brag about who spent more money on the film
            3. mat-vey
              mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 00
              -1
              Quote: YOUR
              Turn films about war or into comedy

              Personally, I only know three normal comedies about the war - "Heavenly Slow", "Die Hard" and "Country Trip of Sergeant Tsibuli".
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 31 January 2021 09: 27
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        It is impossible to understand and make out what they say in half of the dialogues.

        for the sake of truth, this is the mediocrity of the sound engineer
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 31 January 2021 09: 38
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: Lipchanin
          It is impossible to understand and make out what they say in half of the dialogues.

          for the sake of truth, this is the mediocrity of the sound engineer

          And him too
          Sometimes a dialogue, or a monologue, is allowed along with the music. And the music sounds louder than the words themselves.
          Here is the actor Panin, the kingdom of heaven to him, a good actor. But no sound engineer can correct his manner of speaking to himself. His speech is slurred by itself.
          And this Hollywood trick pisses me off, how legs get out of the car. In one film I counted 6 such moments.
          Well, what is beautiful and good about that?
          Well no, from movie to movie
          Hollywood hasn't done this for a long time, but our directors, like parrots, repeat and repeat
          1. BIABIA
            BIABIA 31 January 2021 12: 09
            +3
            About Panin. I was in a theater in Moscow. Panin and Steklov played the main roles there. Both played brilliantly. And everything was perfectly heard and understood what Panin was saying. So his speech is all right. He just spoke quickly. It's about sound engineers. There is not enough professionalism. As, in general, and almost everywhere in the country. "Top" manageroff effective dofiga but ...
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 31 January 2021 12: 23
              0
              Quote: BIABIA
              Both played brilliantly

              Not surprising
              Just spoke fast

              No sound engineer slows down speech
          2. Grits
            Grits 31 January 2021 15: 30
            +1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Here is the actor Panin, the kingdom of heaven to him, a good actor. But no sound engineer can correct his manner of speaking to himself. His speech is slurred by itself.

            I remember that in the film "The Last Armored Train", where he played the main role, one fifth of his words did not catch
      5. Doccor18
        Doccor18 31 January 2021 11: 04
        +8
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Crowe
        no actors play

        They only know how to mutter under their breath
        It is impossible to understand and make out what they say in half of the dialogues.

        What's so surprising? Try to send your smart and capable child to study at the directing department or in the famous acting workshop ... did not pass the competition ... And who did? ......
        It cannot be good in one place, but everywhere it is bad ... If the bottom, then it is in everything where you do not look ... It's just that cinema is a very public sphere and in plain sight ... And politics? And the economy? Health care, education, public transport ... the bottom is close ...
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 08: 11
      +17
      Quote: Crowe
      - Don't watch modern war films.
      - Um ... Why, there are no others.
      - Don't look at any.

      Bulgakov's interpretation is great. There is only one thing you are wrong about. There are other films about the war. Let them be from the distant Soviet past, only the war was in that very distant Soviet Union. There is a film with a similar theme "Young Guard" in 1948. There are films: "The Living and the Dead", "The Fate of a Man", "The Story of a Real Man" ... There are also later ones: "The Chronicle of a Dive Bomber", "They Fought for the Motherland "," The battalions are asking for fire "," Only old men go to battle "...
      Even if not everything is shown there with documentary accuracy, even if they are not of very good quality (some cotton images), but they reveal the soul of a person to whom the war came into the house. The war is not a toy, not in imported shooters, but a crushing and deadly war.
      1. Gregory Charnota
        Gregory Charnota 31 January 2021 08: 55
        +9
        in war as in war 1968, about the self-propelled crew

        1. ANB
          ANB 1 February 2021 01: 25
          +1
          And the dawns here are quiet, only the original.
          Powder.
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 51
          +1
          Quote: Gregory Charnota
          in war as in war 1968, about the self-propelled crew

          And he is especially close to me - my grandfather was fighting in the 3rd Guards at that time ...
          1. Gregory Charnota
            Gregory Charnota 2 February 2021 07: 37
            +1
            and my commander ISU 152
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 2 February 2021 07: 41
              -1
              Quote: Gregory Charnota
              and my commander ISU 152

              You know there are no documents, but on the "Heroic deeds of the people" oats begins in 1944 (although the document about the conscription of 1941) ... what I mean - maybe there were fellow soldiers. Although when Kiev was taken by Rybalko's grandfather (and the same thing in attacks) - maybe and intersected ..
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 53
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        There is a film with a similar theme "Young Guard" in 1948. There are films: "The Living and the Dead", "The Fate of a Man", "The Story of a Real Man" ... There are also later ones: "The Chronicle of a Dive Bomber", "They Fought for the Motherland "," Battalions are asking for fire "," Only old men go to battle "...

        These are not modern ...
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 31 January 2021 08: 43
      +8
      Quote: Crowe
      Don't watch modern war films.
      - Um ... But there are no others.
      - Don't look at any.

      I don’t look! I just can't watch these "films"! I know ... I tried ... it doesn't work! To be honest, it is often impossible to watch "peaceful" post-Soviet films, "like remakes" of films shot during the Soviet period! After all, you involuntarily begin to compare ... you start to "spit", curse ... in the end, you switch to another TV channel ... Kren is a kren ... you cannot hide it even in those "russo movies", direct "analogs "to which, it seems, and is not in Soviet cinema ... I mean modern" versions "about Ivan the Terrible, Boris Godunov, or" like "" Tobol "... and, even, in such" neutral "films, like "Slave", "The Last Hero"!
      PS On the Internet (on YouTube, Yandex.Dzen), it is not uncommon to find videos, articles on the topic: Was there really a feat ...: Alexander Matrosov, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Nikolai Gastello ...? Etc...
    4. URAL72
      URAL72 31 January 2021 09: 23
      +1
      Well why, - "Battle for Sevastopol" is a very good film. Although almost the only one ...
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 31 January 2021 17: 03
        +2
        You can add "Dnieper frontier", "28 Panfilovs", the same "Brest Fortress".
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 31 January 2021 11: 36
      +8
      What kind of power - such are the films ... The same applies to Soviet cinema ..
      1. dSK
        dSK 31 January 2021 12: 54
        +6
        "The suite plays the king ..."
        Medynsky adviser (assistant) to Putin, a modern tolerant ideologist ...
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 14: 08
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          "The suite plays the king ..."
          Medynsky advisor ...

          In your particular case, the letter "y" in the first syllable would play the most important and main role. yes
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 48
        +1
        Quote: paul3390
        What kind of power - such are the films ... The same applies to Soviet cinema ..

        By the way, from the cinema, it was just clear that in the late USSR, with the authorities, something was wrong.
    6. zenion
      zenion 31 January 2021 15: 58
      +3
      It seems that in the 90s the whites won. But they will stop and build the country, and have not been honored. They continue to fight with the country that no longer exists. And they will fight until they break it up, or sell it.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 46
        0
        Quote: zenion
        They continue to fight with the country that no longer exists.

        They are primarily at war with the ideology of that country.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 1 February 2021 09: 33
          0
          A pointless idea. Look - they have been fighting with Comrade Stalin for 70 years already, and how, they have become rabid and zealous, and - what? Love and deep respect for him among the people only grows every year .. For people - look at real deeds, and not at dogged nonsense ..
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 1 February 2021 09: 37
            -1
            Quote: paul3390
            A pointless idea.

            The idea may be pointless, but it helps to hold out longer at the feeder.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 1 February 2021 09: 44
              0
              Let's see how long ... However - it only depends on us ...
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 1 February 2021 09: 46
                -1
                Quote: paul3390
                However, it only depends on us ...

                Not only ... but the global situation influences ...
    7. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 31 January 2021 19: 19
      +4
      Quote: Crowe
      Don't watch modern war films.
      - Um ... But there are no others.
      - Don't look at any.
      They can't because.

      I agree completely. after the films "Come and See", "They defended the Motherland", "The Living and the Dead", "Ordinary Fascism" These pitiful bloopers. bungled for laundering "dough", to cut the state money allocated for cinema art, a masterpiece of redneck and lack of talent. It is clear that young people love a show ... But then do not complain about the lost generation .. Those who know "Harry Potter" and "House Two" ...., but have not heard about Green, have not read Kuprin, Bunin, Lev Tolstoy. It is necessary to educate on quality literature and cinema, and not on movie shit, and literary hamburgers ...
    8. Uran53
      Uran53 31 January 2021 19: 46
      +4
      Do you know why? But because modern actors have become actors, some by pull, some through the bed, some "on the hype." And they grew up on all sorts of McDonald's, earn millions on roles that they have no idea about (just compare Soviet films and their "remakes" made with one finger in one place. In Soviet films about the war, many actors themselves were front-line soldiers and they didn’t play, but relived their war on the screen. ”Remember“ Belorusskiy Vokzal ”.
    9. Vladislav Trofimov
      Vladislav Trofimov 31 January 2021 20: 19
      0
      not because they do not know, but because no one knows this very truth ...
      who and why kept the truth about the war secret from the victorious people?
      or maybe because they made it secret, that it, True, will be even more unattractive ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 44
        0
        Quote: Vladislav Trofimov
        that no one knows this very truth ...

        What's your interesting name - "nobody".
    10. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 42
      0
      Quote: Crowe
      - Don't watch modern war films.

      In general, do not watch any modern films in one way or another concerning the past of the country. And if you want to remain human - the past of the USSR in particular. Such a stream of vileness, lies, not a single psyche will tolerate without loss.
    11. lyrics
      lyrics 26 February 2021 17: 57
      0
      So after all, they play exclusively for money. And our, Soviet actors, lived part of their lives in the film.
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  3. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 31 January 2021 05: 24
    +7
    Yes, I was very pleased, on the second day after the premiere, at the show at 17-40 in the hall for 120 seats, there were exactly 6 of us (Six). And finished watching and generally three.

    These three should go to court to recognize them as victims and sue for moral damage in the amount of the amount allocated for this libel

    And I blame this on the hotbed of history scribes, the Vlasovites and the White Guards who settled in the so-called "Russian Military Historical Society"

    Any veteran organization should file an application with the prosecutor's office to bring this gadyushnik to criminal responsibility and also sue.
    Only through the courts.
    There is no other way to deal with them.
    It is useless to appeal to conscience
    1. Escobar
      Escobar 31 January 2021 08: 39
      +5
      That's right, what a conscience, they shoot not for people, but for profit! And the profit is already a difference on how much the cinema fund allocated and how much of this amount was spent. And if there will be at least some cash register, it is not in vain that they "tried"
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 31 January 2021 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: Eskobar
        That's right, what a conscience, they shoot not for people, but for profit!

        Correctly! So it is necessary to sue and demand that these grief scriptwriters-directors pay the cost of the entire film out of their own pockets. And don't hesitate! They will find money!
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 31 January 2021 10: 23
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          So you need to sue

          It is necessary to introduce an article in the Criminal Code on criminal liability for deliberate distortion of history
          1. Vladislav Trofimov
            Vladislav Trofimov 31 January 2021 20: 20
            0
            so start judging with Zhukov himself and others like him ...
      2. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 31 January 2021 11: 48
        +7
        Quote: Eskobar
        they shoot not for people, but for profit!

        For a long time already for profit no one takes pictures. They shoot for "loot", and then scatter in the corners. All trash for a penny is specially hired, money is "mastered", and the infantry is expended! Who will remember now ... well, for example, the "fashion director" Guy Germanicus?
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 31 January 2021 11: 37
      +6
      sue for moral damage

      They should be punished in the snout with all proletarian hatred for mockery of our great past ..
  4. Runway
    Runway 31 January 2021 05: 36
    +9
    What is the pop, so is the parish! (Regarding the address of this appeal and Co.).
    At the expense of post-Soviet cinema - no, no, yes, there are good pictures, even if they are remakes.
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 31 January 2021 05: 43
    +7
    The godfather, that is, the initiator, was Vladimir Medinsky and his RVIO.

    At the heart of Medinsky's activities is the commercialization of everything and everyone ... and where there is commerce, one should not expect any high achievements. hi
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 31 January 2021 06: 13
      +17
      They managed to build the Rzhev memorial on a place where there were no battles, but there was a German rear and this is also Medinsky. The place of the memorial should be near Deshevka or Polunino, Pogorelki or Kokoshkino, places where a lot of the blood of our soldiers was spilled. When I was invited to the Memorial construction site, I was surprised that the present commanders of the search detachments kept silent about the choice of the site. But next to the highway and the gas station.
  6. Konnick
    Konnick 31 January 2021 05: 57
    +14
    Always with this Medinsky, if he does not take up something ... remove him from history.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 31 January 2021 06: 09
      +5
      Quote: Konnick
      . take it away from history

      You can't let him close anywhere
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 31 January 2021 08: 49
        +16
        Quote: Lipchanin
        You can't let him close anywhere

        And in our state, many are not in their places - Medinsky, Manturov, Serdyukov, Siluanov, Nabiullina and many others.
        State of mistakes, damn it.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 31 January 2021 09: 09
          -9
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          State of mistakes, damn it.

          All states are like that - they are all arranged according to the same principle.
          How? Read my comment at the very bottom.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 31 January 2021 11: 46
          +7
          And in our state, many are not in their places - Medinsky, Manturov, Serdyukov, Siluanov, Nabiullina

          Hmm ... And - the top one? what Their leader and patron? belay
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 31 January 2021 12: 26
            +7
            And he, as usual, has nothing to do with it. I didn't have time, I didn't finish it, I didn't check it. Amoeba is shorter.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 31 January 2021 12: 31
              +1
              “How pathetic is the jester on the throne of the king! How stupid the people are for allowing that! "...
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 31 January 2021 12: 45
      +3
      Quote: Konnick
      Always with this Medinsky, if he does not take up something ... remove him from history.

      laughing
      But how to remove it then? He is a member of the All-Russian political party "United Russia". Active State Councilor of the Russian Federation, 1st Class
      Aide to the President of the Russian Federation since January 24, 2020.
      Vladimir Medinsky has led the Russian Military Historical Society since its establishment on March 14, 2013. The company was established in accordance with the decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 1710 dated December 29, 2012.
      In the words of the great Bulgakov, "the mess is not in the closets, but in the heads."

      hi
  7. Konnick
    Konnick 31 January 2021 06: 02
    +11
    Our shot was everywhere in time ... Dmitry Donskoy ... modestly, Dmitry Olegovich. The laurels of the poet Ulyukaev do not give rest.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 06: 07
      +11
      Quote: Konnick
      Dmitry Donskoy ... modestly, Dmitry Olegovich.

      I wonder what fee was paid to Dmitry Donskoy? In general, the author is good, there is not a single cinema left in our city.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 31 January 2021 06: 27
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        we have not a single cinema left in our city.

        Through YouTube they will get
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 06: 29
          +8
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Through YouTube they will get

          What does YouTube have to do with it? Maybe I, an old stump, want to cuddle an old stump in Kamchatka in the cinema.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 31 January 2021 06: 32
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            What does YouTube have to do with it?

            Yes, despite the fact that it is designed for young people
            And he doesn't get out of there.
            You can't deceive us, but you can inspire young people with anything.
            And cinemas are so. An attempt to beat off at least some grandmas
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 06: 35
              +3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Yes, despite the fact that it is designed for young people
              And he doesn't get out of there.

              In times! Into mores! laughing
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 31 January 2021 06: 42
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                In times! Into mores!

                Well, the time in which you live, like the Motherland, is not chosen request
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 06: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Well the time in which you live

                  No time. Time was invented by little people to justify their existence. sad
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    No time.

                    Oh how. This is something new
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 07: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      This is something new

                      Only homo sapiens came up with the time. Why, one wonders?
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Only homo sapiens invented the time

                        And he came up with a lot more
                  2. bober1982
                    bober1982 31 January 2021 12: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    No time. Time was invented by little people to justify their existence

                    Not certainly in that way.
                    Time was created by God as a preparation for eternity and as a field of testing for man. And death itself is not a way out of time. Only after the Last Judgment there will be no time.
  8. Pilot
    Pilot 31 January 2021 06: 06
    +17
    Roman, excellent article except for one point. You rightly call the scribes of history Vlasovites and White Guards, but you yourself turn to the ardent anti-Soviet, calling him a lord in a White Guard way. Honestly, the eye hurts. He just needs to get used to being a citizen, and not only him ..
    Respectfully.. hi
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 31 January 2021 11: 53
      +8
      in the White Guard calling him lord. Honestly, the eye hurts.

      Gentlemen's pancake got divorced - ordinary people have nowhere to spit ..

      1. Pilot
        Pilot 31 January 2021 12: 18
        +1
        hi The devil is in the details, everything starts with such little things, they slowly get used to the existence of masters ... I never called anyone masters, class aversion to this word.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 31 January 2021 12: 21
          +5
          Never called anyone a master

          Work drags a machine gun.
          Now he will join the battle.
          A poster hangs: “Down with the gentlemen!
          Down with the landowners! ”

          Carry units and regiments
          Cloths of Kumach,
          And ahead are the Bolsheviks,
          Guards Ilyich.

          October! Forever overthrew power
          Bourgeois and nobles.
          So in October the dream came true
          Workers and peasants.
    2. Obliterator
      Obliterator 31 January 2021 22: 00
      -1
      Quote: Pilot
      You rightly call the scribes of history Vlasovites and White Guards, but now you yourself are addressing the ardent anti-Soviet, calling him a lord in a White Guard way.

      In fact, the name "lord" has long been of a purely negative character, and if someone is called that in an article, then this is a sign of contempt, not respect.
  9. Van 16
    Van 16 31 January 2021 06: 16
    +19
    There is not just a degradation of Russian cinema, it is some kind of militant aggressiveness towards everything bright and good that was in the Union.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 08: 46
      +10
      Quote: Van 16
      this is some kind of militant aggressiveness towards everything light and good that was in the Union.

      This is already a competition between opportunists and reincarnations on the topic: "Who will impose more on the Soviet past" ...
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 31 January 2021 08: 55
        +5
        So they give the go-ahead from the very top, so they compete .. I suppose they get some more awards or titles for such "creations" ..
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 January 2021 08: 52
      +10
      There is a degradation of culture in general. Culture, like language, are the main markers of a people's identity. What is happening now with the language is generally horrible.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 31 January 2021 09: 01
        +7
        Yes. But so if the Supreme constantly uses courtyard vulgarisms and other vulgarities, why should the rest be embarrassed ... an example before your eyes.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 31 January 2021 09: 07
          +11
          Come on, vulgarisms - Englishisms are introduced into the explanatory dictionary. Fake, cashback, selfies have become officially Russian words last year.
          In my opinion, there is a purposeful policy of erosion of the identity of the people. And according to the methodology of the plan "Ost".
          The state policy in the field of medicine and education is also in the best traditions of the same plan.
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 31 January 2021 09: 54
            +7
            Yeah. But there was a time when Russian words (for example, "satellite") came into foreign use.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 11: 37
              +5
              fell into foreign use.
              A familiar Pakistani said that the machine gun in Urdu was "kelash". So they say-kelyash M16, American lol
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 31 January 2021 11: 56
      +5
      Duc - this is the order of those in power .. Otherwise, the people will naturally have a question for them, do you want to return the people's power back? Or - we'll return it ourselves ..
  10. svp67
    svp67 31 January 2021 06: 20
    +6
    Alas, I won't say anything about this film until I see it myself. Maybe he's really bad, maybe not.
    In general, this is otzovik. Then think for yourself.
    And this is OVEREXTENSION. It's better to WATCH this film first and it's not only about the new series "Young Guard" it's about any film. The author of the review really loves to impose his opinion, often very controversial.
    The same "Young Guard" I like, in it people are shown more alive and real.
    Yes, my generation had an opinion about those events based on Fadeev's book, but who said that he wrote the ultimate truth? He was also driven into the framework of censorship and ideology.
    I was lucky to see one of the surviving "Young Guard" and listen to his recollection of those events, and somehow they did not quite coincide with Fadeev's description.
    So that everyone must draw conclusions for himself, based on his opinion
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 31 January 2021 09: 06
      +7
      Don't you believe the author? I agree that first you have to see for yourself. But I have already seen many new Russian films showing life in the USSR and experienced the same disgust as the author of the film being described. Therefore, I do not just believe the author, but I am sure that all these lies are shown deliberately and in vain the author writes:
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, it's time for you to think. Your people are doing outright chaos, against which YOUR Constitution should work, which YOU so urged us to approve.
      It is not his people who are to blame, it is he who pursues such a policy.
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 January 2021 09: 25
        -2
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Don't you believe the author?

        Forgive me, but this is a PERSONAL right to believe or not. In this case, NO, I do not believe it until I add up my opinion
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Therefore, I do not just believe the author, but I am sure that

        Yes, yes ... I have already heard something like this: "I have not read, I have not seen, but I do not approve" ... Although each has its own position in life. You can even pray for the "idol", I'm not going to interfere with this.
        I expressed MY, PERSONAL opinion and heard yours, to which you have every right
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 31 January 2021 17: 02
      +2
      It's better to WATCH this movie first

      If the author of a note has fallen into shit and warns you about it, then you advise you to try it all the same - what if everything is not clear there? Well, this is not for everybody.
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 January 2021 18: 39
        +2
        Quote: Aviator_
        If the author of a note has fallen into shit and warns you about it, then you advise you to try it all the same - what if everything is not clear there? Well, this is not for everybody.

        Thanks for the advice. Yes, that's how I got used to living with YOUR own mind and would advise you to live like that ... Otherwise, you will surely fall into shit
        Moreover, I have already expressed my opinion on the reviews of the author of the note on "Podolsk cadets" and the series "Young Guard"
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 31 January 2021 19: 19
          +1
          This author, to put it mildly, requires rechecking in all his other opuses in view of superficiality, but not in this.
          1. svp67
            svp67 31 January 2021 19: 45
            0
            Quote: Aviator_
            but not that.

            Forgive me, but he is not an authority for me in this either ...
  11. ivan2022
    ivan2022 31 January 2021 06: 21
    +9
    Not only ashamed. The events of "our recent history" are very much reminiscent of the events in biblical Judea. When, about 30 years after the people betrayed everything that could be betrayed (and this was the time given to repentance for their foolishness and meanness), retribution came. And there is no "stone on stone" left there.
  12. Konnick
    Konnick 31 January 2021 06: 24
    +15
    Quote: Van 16
    There is not just a degradation of Russian cinema, it is some kind of militant aggressiveness towards everything bright and good that was in the Union.

    The task of the party and government to decommunize society is being carried out. Watch the new episode of Cruelty. What did they turn this work into? Tetkin's monolg about the people was shortened so that it is impossible to understand. It was a cool monologue performed by Lev Durov in the Soviet TV series.
    Films are shot thinking more about money and the next orders from the owners of this money. Therefore, sincere and pure works are rarely obtained.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 31 January 2021 06: 44
      +3
      Quote: Konnick
      thinking more about money and following orders from the owners of this money.

      And whoever pays calls the tune
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 31 January 2021 06: 42
    +12
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, it's time for you to think. Your people are doing outright chaos, against which YOUR Constitution should work, which YOU so urged us to approve.
    ... the king-father will not hear
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 09
      -6
      Quote: parusnik
      ..The king-father will not hear

      Do you think that he should personally watch what is released on our screens and on TV?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 07: 34
        +7
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Do you think that he should personally watch what is released on our screens and on TV?

        Boyars must report.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 31 January 2021 07: 43
        +6
        I do not believe and do not believe, but the author's article is an open letter to the President, right? Or is it not so? In my commentary, I expressed the opinion that the tsar-father will not read this letter. Where in my comment: "The tsar-father will not hear" saw the opinion that the president [b]
        Should I personally watch what is on our screens and what is being driven on TV?
        / B]
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 47
          -2
          Quote: parusnik
          Where in my comment they saw the opinion that the president [b]

          Sorry, got excited hi
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 31 January 2021 07: 50
            +5
            Next time, do not read the comments obliquely. hi
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 51
              -2
              I read it correctly.
              But I don't always immediately understand the "deep meaning" of what was said
              And I didn't say anything offensive.
              Just a question
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 31 January 2021 07: 57
                +5
                Let's analyze my comment again, but spell it out? Let's try to delve into it? We apparently have not fully understood the quoted quote in my commentary. Will we put my phrase and quote together? And then we will look for a deep meaning in your comments.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 31 January 2021 07: 58
                  -3
                  I've already apologized. What else do you want?
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 31 January 2021 10: 18
                    +4
                    You just don't need to troll, you are our profound .. hi I am sure that you will write an answer to this comment. I will not write any more. This is the last hi
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 31 January 2021 10: 29
                      -4
                      Quote: parusnik
                      You just don't need to troll,

                      I didn't troll you. The question is, this is not trolling yet.
                      I don’t understand why you don’t calm down?
                      Is an apology not enough for you?
                      Are you waiting for me to kneel?
                      Do not wait
                      I won't write anymore

                      First good news of the morning
  14. evgen1221
    evgen1221 31 January 2021 06: 43
    +9
    The era of koekakels is only capable of such masterpieces. An additional confirmation that without direct or indirect censorship (as in the states), (cultural figures) are only capable of writing on their heads for state funds.
  15. Konnick
    Konnick 31 January 2021 06: 45
    +13
    In Moscow, in Kolpachny Lane, the Knop estate is being reconstructed for another commercial structure. And in this building was the district committee of the party, it was from there that Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya went to the front. But for some reason, the city authorities did not notice this in any way. They erected a monument to Blok on Spiridonovka, he lived there for several days with his mistress, erected a monument to Bunin on Povarskaya, he lived there for three months with his mother-in-law.
    Yes, there are monuments to Zoya in Moscow, of course at Novodevichy and at the Partizanskaya metro station, but some sign at this place from where Zoya took a step in the feat can be put.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 January 2021 07: 04
      -4
      What prevents you from addressing this issue with the mayor's office? Gather an initiative group in social networks and go ahead. By the way, they make a museum there.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 31 January 2021 07: 14
        +6
        What prevents you from addressing this issue with the mayor's office? Gather an initiative group in social networks and go ahead. By the way, they make a museum there.

        I'm not a Muscovite. What museum?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 31 January 2021 08: 03
          -5
          I was in Moscow, and indeed in all of Russia, in the century before last there was a saying: "Where there is a church, there is a priest, and where a factory is, there is Knop." So grateful contemporaries demonstrated the popularity of Johann Ludwig Knop, a famous industrialist, a native of Bremen. His family estate in Kolpachny Lane is a real Gothic castle; it will soon become a museum dedicated to Knop's activities and his love for our country, which has become a second home for Bremen and his descendants.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 12: 54
            -1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Where there is a church, there is pop, and where there is a factory, there is Knop

            You about the barracks with a bug somehow missed.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 31 January 2021 14: 01
              -1
              What's the barracks? This is a very serious person who has done a lot of things with his own affairs. This saying appeared because he opened more than 100 manufactories personally or on shares in the country. For that, at 17, his family was gouged for nothing. Someone managed to leave, someone was shot. Someone on the zone. This is how the dynasty was destroyed.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 14: 41
                -1
                Quote: carstorm 11
                What's the barracks?

                Wherein...
                Where there is a church, there is a priest, where there is a barracks, there is a bug, and where a factory is, there is Knop.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 31 January 2021 14: 52
                  0
                  I have not heard. I'll know. thanks
  16. Konnick
    Konnick 31 January 2021 06: 52
    +8
    Quote: parusnik
    The king-father will not hear

    Yes, he has no time. Duma thinks about palaces am
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 08: 37
      +6
      Quote: Konnick
      Yes, he has no time. Duma thinks about palaces

      Don't worry, a man has already been found - Wrotneber ... Rotenberg, his name, took over ... Apparently, the money remained from the Olympics:
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 31 January 2021 08: 57
        0
        The fact of the matter is that he took over. There, according to the documents of the FSO and the presidential administration, it appears in almost every line. And then Rotenberg drew. But the words cannot be thrown out of the song.
  17. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 31 January 2021 06: 52
    +8
    Mr. President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!
    Even in your New Year's address, you could not fail to mention the importance of Victory Day. But at the same time, the people you appoint to positions of responsibility, governed by your appointed ministers, continue to distort and rewrite history.

    So, are the boyars bad ?! But but ....
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 January 2021 06: 57
    +2
    In Russia in recent years, ministers of culture, like ministers of education, are eager to leave their mark on the history of the country. But in the end it turns out that not a historical trace is left, but inherited with dirty shoes, they throw garbage, and even spit.
  19. Altona
    Altona 31 January 2021 07: 00
    +14
    The novel practically repeats Konstantin Semin from his last "Agitprop", but not the essence. In general, it is impossible to watch the latest "masterpieces" of domestic filmmakers and filmmakers. This is a war through the eyes of the bagmen and the bourgeoisie, who sat on the "Tashkent front" in all kinds of armor and quotas.
  20. avia12005
    avia12005 31 January 2021 07: 01
    +1
    We have more than half of the government, and the Ministry of Culture in general is completely open navalists, who do not hide their beliefs. On unauthorized actions such as January 23, only the infantry is present, and the headquarters are in government offices. What is there to be surprised about such a "Zoe" ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 January 2021 08: 59
      +9
      Quote: avia12005
      We have more than half of the government, and the Ministry of Culture in general is completely open navalists, who do not hide their beliefs.

      We have absolutely all government with such convictions. Both Putin and Navalny are all smeared with the same liberal oil!
  21. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 31 January 2021 07: 17
    +15
    Soviet actors play better and better every year.
  22. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 31 January 2021 07: 17
    0
    And then all these self-styled "directors", "geniuses" like the drunk Efremov, are outraged that no one is watching their "genius works".
    An old anecdote immediately comes to mind: “How could they hang these“ paintings ”in the museum ?! -“ Probably, they just couldn't hang the artist. ”But it should be.
  23. Altona
    Altona 31 January 2021 07: 21
    +10
    Quote: avia12005
    We have more than half of the government, and the Ministry of Culture in general is completely open navalists

    --------------------------------------------------
    Why is that? On the contrary. All films are shot in the same vein, starting with Burnt by the Sun. Nikita Mikhalkov is also a navalnist? He molds such an aquadiskotheque in his "film masterpieces".
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 31 January 2021 07: 40
      +1
      And Navalny is a shining example of a globalist-ceuropean, such in the power corridors in bulk. The only difference is that Ceeuropean officials do not shout about it, they rustle quietly for themselves abroad, attaching their families and buying real estate ..
      1. Altona
        Altona 31 January 2021 07: 47
        +8
        Quote: Pilot
        And Navalny is a vivid example of a Ceeuropean globalist, such in bulk in power corridors.

        ----------------------------
        Navalny keeps you awake, why are you promoting him like that? Or do you hate so much that you cannot eat? Or does Bulk hammer and sickle on the Victory Banner at parades erase? Or does Navalny draw creepy eagles of the RVIO on Katyusha? Or does Navalny hang Mannerheim and Krasnov instead of Ivanov and Medina's boards? They are all the same people. We gave two directors of a well-known nationality to make a film "Shob lively, youthful and patriotic", you 60 Lyamov minus the skating. EVERYTHING! What bulk are you looking for here?
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 31 January 2021 07: 58
          0
          hi Eugene, always held you smart, but here .. haven’t woken up yet? Lelik does not bother me, he just drew a parallel in order to explain why bureaucrats are to some extent navalists. But does Lelik need the Hammer and Sickle? Another similarity ??
          1. Altona
            Altona 31 January 2021 08: 23
            +9
            Quote: Pilot
            Lelik does not bother me, he just drew a parallel in order to explain why bureaucrats are to some extent navalists.

            --------------------------
            Bureaucrats, they are not navalnist and not Putinists. They are bubblegum. ALL! There was a certain Volodya Shapiro, sorry, Soloviev, an ardent oppositionist on TV-6. Dali dough became a noteworthy "patriot". There was a director with a "fig in his pocket" Nikita Mikhalkov. Dali dough, what a sovereign has become. There was a "oppositionist" KVN player Semyon Slepakov. Dali dough, forged into a Putin at a stroke. Also Zakharka Prilepin (by the way) and Vanka Okhlobystin and many others. And to see this you need not a mind, but a social experience, which you apparently do not have.
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 31 January 2021 09: 11
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              Quote: Pilot
              Lelik does not bother me, he just drew a parallel in order to explain why bureaucrats are to some extent navalists.

              --------------------------
              Bureaucrats, they are not navalnist and not Putinists. They are bubblegum. ALL! There was a certain Volodya Shapiro, sorry, Soloviev, an ardent oppositionist on TV-6. Dali dough became a noteworthy "patriot". There was a director with a "fig in his pocket" Nikita Mikhalkov. Dali dough, what a sovereign has become. There was a "oppositionist" KVN player Semyon Slepakov. Dali dough, forged into a Putin at a stroke. Also Zakharka Prilepin (by the way) and Vanka Okhlobystin and many others. And to see this you need not a mind, but a social experience, which you apparently do not have.

              Um, bablists)) It's pretty primitive for a person with great social experience to rake all human vices in a heap, but oh well, not the point. The conclusion is where, who or what supports and nourishes these defects? Perhaps this is my fault, due to the lack of social experience?))
              1. Altona
                Altona 31 January 2021 09: 14
                +2
                Quote: Pilot
                Pretty primitive for someone with a lot of social experience

                -------------------------
                Alexey, you give too much meaning to primitive people with dough. Do you want to troll me? I don't care, and these people won't get better. Be under no illusion.
                1. Pilot
                  Pilot 31 January 2021 10: 01
                  -1
                  I do not harbor illusions that you are smart, therefore you do not have a clear conclusion. I apologize for the sclerosis, whose will you be Eugene, in terms of political orientation, or will there be no answer either? Or for the answer you can count, I don't care, (c)?
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 31 January 2021 10: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: Pilot
                    I apologize for the sclerosis, whose will you be Eugene, in terms of political orientation, or will there be no answer either?

                    ------------------------------------
                    What kind of political orientation? Do you divide everyone according to some sort? For what, may I ask you? And so, of course, he is not the smartest one, tomorrow I have to adjust the brains of 100 thoughtless ones, I have absolutely no time to think.
                    1. Pilot
                      Pilot 31 January 2021 10: 12
                      0
                      How kosher to answer a question with a question, but I asked first.
                      ..and yes, the minuses don't bother me, so keep the protest movement.
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 31 January 2021 10: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Pilot
                        How kosher to answer a question with a question, but I asked first.
                        ..and yes, the minuses don't bother me, so keep the protest movement.

                        --------------------------
                        Alexey, I put you one minus and that for rudeness. By the way, your name is the same as that of Navalny. Does this bother you? Sorry to question again. Does this affect your "political orientation"? And yet, yes, I am in any case against luxurious palaces. You will be surprised, but I even refused the new BMW-321 (free of charge, that is, for nothing), because I have nowhere to go on it, and I don't want to maintain this technological miracle. laughing
                      2. Pilot
                        Pilot 31 January 2021 11: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        Alexey, I put you one minus and that for rudeness. By the way, your name is the same as that of Navalny. Does this bother you? Sorry to question again. Does this affect your "political orientation"? And yet, yes, I am in any case against luxurious palaces. You will be surprised, but I even refused the new BMW-321 (free of charge, that is, for nothing), because I have nowhere to go on it, and I don't want to maintain this technological miracle. laughing

                        I apologize for unsuccessfully expressing my thought in a hurry, the correct thought sounds like this - I do not harbor illusions, you are smart, therefore you do not have a clear conclusion. Sorry again. repeat On the correct conclusion, one could clearly show that you are mistaken about the non-belonging of bureaucrats, who are supposedly only bablists. And you probably missed it. wink
                        As for my name, no, it doesn't bother, it doesn't bother and doesn't affect. I don't see the answer to the question, today everyone is against the palaces ... well, almost. laughing
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 31 January 2021 07: 25
    +4
    I would not be surprised if I read somewhere that this film gained a record number of viewers. And perhaps it will. Our viewers, starting from the first grader, are taught to see the old story in a new way. The main thing is to convince the viewer that the heroes of the films are fighting for justice. And now in the film a rich family. A young girl with every fiber of her soul rejects this philistine life. And leaves home. Long ordeals. And in the end she marries a handsome young man, the head of a large bank. There is nothing you can do about it. Every four Years we sing "Goodbye America". And then everything seems to settle down. Everything is taken from this continent. And they themselves did not invent anything.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 08: 31
      +7
      Quote: nikvic46
      Our viewer, starting from the first grader, is taught to vision of old history in a new way.

      This is not a new vision of history. This is an interpretation of past events through the prism of perception in the spirit of the new capitalist morality.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 31 January 2021 07: 27
    +12
    The misrepresentation of history in films is just one episode of purposeful, systematic work to clear the memory of the bright past of the people and the country. The directors are the executors of the order of the one who every year nags the Mausoleum with plywood, but at the same time says some words about Victory.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 31 January 2021 07: 51
      +15
      And note, until 2015, the Victory Banner was carried out first, now the tricolor is brought out, followed by the Victory Banner. Who is it from? From Shoigu praying at the Victory Parade? As they say - either remove the cross, or put on panties ...
      And I remember V.S. Lanovoy. At a concert on Red Square, on the air, reading the poem "He was buried in the globe of the earth," in the words "the earth is like a mausoleum to him ..." he pointed to the mausoleum draped with plywood. The frame was quickly transferred to another picture. It was a bold gesture.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 08: 28
      +8
      Quote: 7,62x54
      but at the same time he says some words about the Victory.

      He watched as a child:

      Only I have doubted for two decades that he chose the right side. The last half a million decline in the Russian population in 2020 is proof of this.
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 31 January 2021 08: 35
        +10
        Like in that joke.
        "- And what, Little Johnny, did the soldiers say when you brought them shells?
        - They said zer gut, Valdemar, zer gut "
  • gorenina91
    gorenina91 31 January 2021 07: 56
    +8
    - Well, it's good at least that I read it ... - before watching ... - Now I just won't watch this "masterpiece" ... - waste time ...
    - I can add to everything that in addition to these "masterpieces": Russian cinema today began to suffer very, very much not only because of worthless film producers; bad direction; poor acting; but also on the part of many "technical components" ... - attributes of the film itself ... - Namely ...:
    - What happened to the voice acting of Russian films ??? - This is sheer unprofessionalism ... - some kind of handicraft ... - the sound is very badly superimposed ... - the voice sound of the actors themselves on the musical accompaniment; inarticulate dialogues and monologues of the characters in the film ... - and this is all too often: ... - Smeared and indistinct speech moments of the actors ... - at least then subtitles would be used or something ... - What is this ??? - What happens to Russian sound engineering and sound technicians of Russian films ???
    - It would seem ... - today there is such advanced equipment and so many new technologies; that everything from this side should be just perfect ... - But everything happens exactly "the opposite" ... - Such an impression; that sound engineers are taken from somewhere on the street ... - or the directors themselves are trying to take on the functions of sound engineers and cheat in this way ...
    - Well, just shame takes ... - how unprofessional everything is ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 31 January 2021 08: 29
      +8
      Quote: gorenina91
      Such an impression; that sound technicians are taken from somewhere on the street

      -------------------------------
      Irina, when it is necessary to "roll back" half from 60 lyamas, then by itself professionals and all the more all kinds of consultants disappear (and why Google then?). Second, we have directors from the "crime scene" and they absolutely do not know what to do in the "military genre". Therefore, they use "mnogohodovochki" from the crime. More boorish dialogues, more brutality, more eroticism, more doom. ALL!
      PS And the advertisement will write "everything is based on real events, according to eyewitnesses, and so on." Gobbled marketing, or rather "marketing-type patriotism" which many people here are caught as I see.
      1. gorenina91
        gorenina91 31 January 2021 08: 39
        +4
        Second, we have directors from the "crime scene" and they absolutely do not know what to do in the "military genre". Therefore, they use "mnogohodovochki" from the crime. More boorish dialogues, more brutality, more eroticism, more doom. ALL!

        - It's hard to disagree with this ... - "On Demand" ... is what first comes to mind when it comes to many Russian films (I won't touch foreign ones, since we are talking about Russian ones) ... - And "on demand" and became a kind of "genre and theme" of many Russian films ...
        - Well, if this starts to happen; then a kind of "chain reaction" occurs and not only the genre basis of the film begins to suffer; but its entire "technical component" also becomes simply worthless ... - A vulgar primitive and ordinary hack begins to flourish ...
        - My plus to you ...
        1. Altona
          Altona 31 January 2021 09: 01
          +3
          Quote: gorenina91
          And "on demand" has become a kind of "genre and subject" of many Russian films ...

          ----------------------------
          When professionals are destroyed or used, this always happens. When the RAS stopped giving out crusts of all kinds of crooks with dough, it was immediately destroyed. Why do I call money "dough"? Money is a fair payment for labor, and loot is an insane supply of money that is given to some character for some unknown reason.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 31 January 2021 10: 06
            -4
            Quote: Altona
            When professionals are destroyed

            And many professionals from the cinema were destroyed? May I have a list?
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 31 January 2021 08: 09
    +4
    Constitution.
    Article 13, paragraph 1 of the Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
    p.2 No ideology can be established as state or mandatory.
    That is, the national ideology is prohibited. Russian ideology cannot be supported by the state.
    Changes to the Constitution began with Article 67. And they dealt with power, but mostly with "zeroing." For 20 years, Putin has not fulfilled a single slogan of his. With the messages he delivers, his team does the opposite. It is useless to turn to Putin, he does not control the situation and is not responsible for anything!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 31 January 2021 09: 18
      -4
      Quote: steel maker
      That is, the national ideology is prohibited.

      I have three questions for you:
      - Which nation ideology do you see as the main one in the multinational Russian civilization?
      - How do you think, how will the rest of the nationalities perceive it, and in connection with this - will it go to strengthen the unity of Russia?
      - Do you know what the ideology of one party led to the USSR?

      ps
      According to the last census, we have about 200 nations, nationalities and nationalities.
      1. steelmaker
        steelmaker 31 January 2021 12: 01
        +1
        Is it not a Russian national idea? Or do you think that in defending Zoya the Russians are insulting another nationality? It's strange that your brains are in a row. Did they accidentally kick you?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 08: 17
    +7
    Novel! Thank you so much that you once again did not pass by the shame that has accompanied us for the third decade. A disgrace worthy not only of blame, but of the most implacable struggle against such phenomena. Perhaps this is the only way out for some:
    And I call on all reasonable people ignore this yet another shame.

    I support and ask you not to remain indifferent to this. We have something to be proud of and something to remember.
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  • Konnick
    Konnick 31 January 2021 08: 19
    +5
    Quote: carstorm 11
    I was in Moscow, and indeed in all of Russia, in the century before last there was a saying: "Where there is a church, there is a priest, and where a factory is, there is Knop." So grateful contemporaries demonstrated the popularity of Johann Ludwig Knop, a famous industrialist, a native of Bremen. His family estate in Kolpachny Lane is a real Gothic castle; it will soon become a museum dedicated to Knop's activities and his love for our country, which has become a second home for Bremen and his descendants.

    An ordinary middleman-monopoly, he sold English machinery for light industry to Russia.
    I personally consider this mansion in the Gothic style to be the prototype of Margarita's house, the description and content of it at that time is very consistent. You can also arrange a Khodorkovsky museum there, also a popular figure. Yukos's office was there.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 31 January 2021 08: 25
    +4
    we all have a small need for our heads with this film.

    That says it all, you can only add a great need.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 31 January 2021 08: 28
    -8
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Mr. President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!
    Even in your New Year's address, you could not fail to mention the importance of Victory Day. But at the same time, the people you appoint to positions of responsibility, governed by your appointed ministers, continue to distort and rewrite history.

    I do not look at the remakes, but the ones that you like.

    Roman's message is clear - if there is no water in the tap, then the president is to blame. Roman, you'd better be puzzled with whom the president has to work with and stop thinking in the minds of a pimply teenager who thinks that mom and dad are to blame for everything (in this context, the king).

    You say he appoints ministers? Formally, according to (who was introduced - he appointed) - yes, but in fact:

    "State policy and governance in a crowd- "elite" society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings to use the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals ".

    It is for this reason that he cannot violate the agreements reached between the clans and, on his own, remove this or that minister. Each minister is a representative of one or another clan.

    It is for this reason that the capabilities of the State Council have been expanded, thanks to which the President has more opportunities to manage clans (to support some initiatives, some clans and jam others, other clans).
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 31 January 2021 11: 06
      +3
      Look how. My heart sanks with pity for Putin.

      Happened, you go to Red Square,
      In TSUM, having bought a present for his woman.
      And beyond the Wall, above the idle party
      The window is on fire - the President is not sleeping!
      S (s)
    2. dSK
      dSK 31 January 2021 22: 13
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      It is for this reason that he cannot violate the agreements reached between the clans and, on his own, remove this or that minister. Each minister is a representative of one or another clan.
      So we live in a "clan / caste" society?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 1 February 2021 08: 23
        0
        Quote: dsk
        So we live in a "clan / caste" society?

        Yes. They are trying to make them clan - for sure, caste.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 31 January 2021 08: 29
    +3
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: Pilot
    And Navalny is a vivid example of a Ceeuropean globalist, such in bulk in power corridors.

    ----------------------------
    Navalny keeps you awake, why are you promoting him like that? Or do you hate so much that you cannot eat? Or does Bulk hammer and sickle on the Victory Banner at parades erase? Or does Navalny draw creepy eagles of the RVIO on Katyusha? Or does Navalny hang Mannerheim and Krasnov instead of Ivanov and Medina's boards? They are all the same people. We gave two directors of a well-known nationality to make a film "Shob lively, youthful and patriotic", you 60 Lyamov minus the skating. EVERYTHING! What bulk are you looking for here?

    good good good
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 31 January 2021 09: 25
      +7
      And in their manual it is written - to blame everything on Navalny. Here and now: "tsarist" officials have released another disgraceful film, and Navalny is to blame.
  • krops777
    krops777 31 January 2021 08: 52
    +3
    And I urge all reasonable people to ignore this next disgrace.


    If they hadn't written, I would never have found out that such a film exists, because I have not watched for a long time and am not interested in the next (I beg your pardon) vysiras of the domestic film industry.
  • martin-159
    martin-159 31 January 2021 08: 55
    +4
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Only through the courts.
    There is no other way to deal with them.
    It is useless to appeal to conscience

    And who are the judges ...
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  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 31 January 2021 09: 15
    +3
    If not for the article, I would not know that there is such a film at all, bggg))
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 January 2021 09: 22
    0
    Neither subtract nor add! All in the top ten! To make the return of the invested money and the scriptwriters with the directors have a wolf ticket in the teeth. And the officials of the Ministry of Culture should be checked for cleanliness of their hands.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 31 January 2021 09: 40
    +1
    I'm definitely not a go-to for this film.
    Why is it so bad at heart? ..
    I don't like it when the memory is kicked.
    When snot blows into our Banner ...
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 31 January 2021 09: 55
    -1
    Well, as expected - we went through the roller, smashed to smithereens, dissected and flushed down the toilet. Modern Russian cinema, of course, is not worthy of anything else - it's just a club of narcissistic sodomites, explaining their complete and depressing creative impotence by "the unpreparedness of the masses for perception" and other blah-blah-blah. This is clear.
    The only question is - has anyone ever watched the movie "Zoya"? Or is it now customary to watch films through the eyes of Skomorokhov? I did not find a single opinion from the first person. To be honest, politot and conspiracy have already gotten a lot. What, again not-read-but-condemned people rule?
    1. Roman B.
      Roman B. 31 January 2021 12: 02
      +4
      Fair. I'm just sorry for my time. The experience of watching contemporary war films with regrettable persistence only reinforces this position. At one time I thought, well, now they will certainly succeed, but no. Apparently too biased)))
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 31 January 2021 12: 03
        0
        Quote: Roman B.
        Fair. I'm just sorry for my time.

        and the time spent on "reviewing" Skomorokhov is not a pity?
        1. Roman B.
          Roman B. 31 January 2021 12: 46
          +3
          I read the article in just 10-15 minutes. I spent the same amount on a quick look at the reviews of the film on other resources. On going to the cinema, I will spend 1,5-2 hours plus money. Here I am not discussing the author's talent for writing, I agree with his point of view on our modern cinema - FILMS ABOUT THE WAR WE HAVE ALMOST LEARNED TO SHOOT. My personal experience of viewing me so far in this opinion strengthens. If you personally watched the film "Zoya" and recommend watching it, I'll go.
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 24
      0
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      What, again, not-read-but-condemned people rule?

      And that all the slops must be personally sipped?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 1 February 2021 12: 38
        +1
        Quote: mat-vey
        And that all the slops must be personally sipped?

        It is still advisable to familiarize yourself with the original source - suddenly you will find something else. smile
        Otherwise it will work again "I didn’t read Pasternak, but I condemn"©.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 1 February 2021 12: 45
          -1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Otherwise, it will turn out again "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn" ©.

          These masterpieces are stamped in batches ... it was enough to see the first copies ... but here you can also believe especially hardy volunteers who sacrificed themselves.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 31 January 2021 10: 05
    +2
    Roman thanks for the review. Spared me such an analysis.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 31 January 2021 10: 48
    0
    Such a vivid appeal not to look that I really wanted to look.
    Advertising from the opposite?
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 31 January 2021 11: 08
    +2
    I have to agree in many respects with Skomorokhov. I can't watch modern films about the Second World War. Well, I can't after such as - "They fought for the Motherland", "Check on the roads", "Shield and sword", "The living and the dead". I didn't even master the Panfilovites, not to mention the Podolsk cadets and others. Maybe something is wrong with me, or maybe with modern cinema? Or maybe the memory of my grandfather and his scanty stories about the war, which he did not like to talk about, but refused to watch films, are just alive. I just went into the garden and sat in the back of the garden for a long time ...
  • Roman B.
    Roman B. 31 January 2021 11: 53
    +5
    We have almost forgotten how to shoot a real movie about the war, especially about the Great Patriotic War. I have long remembered the disappointment after watching the film "Stalingrad". After the advertisement, and by the name, I expected a serious, deep movie. In fact, only a couple of combat scenes and most of the time a description of a love story that looked alien. The authors had to name the film whatever they like - "Love and Awe in War", "Stalingrad Passions", but not "Stalingrad". The film "Battle for Sevastopol" made a slightly better impression, but "a little". Again, the same, obligatory, love line, special effects, beautiful phrases and ... that's all. The rest of the films and TV series about the war also caused nothing but regret for the lost time. I was only pleased with the film "Panfilov's 28", but its characteristic difference from others was that it was filmed by enthusiasts and with a modest budget (as I understand it, the Ministry of Culture only joined at the very end), and not by "professional" filmmakers. After "Panfilov's men" I don't watch our modern cinema about war (any) - I feel sorry for my time. Judging by the responses to the periodically appearing Russian "blockbusters" about the war, I am doing everything right. I propose to all those who disagree to review Soviet films about the war and try to understand how they differ from modern ones, which is why they continue to watch them, and sniff at modern crafts.
    1. Whiteidol
      Whiteidol 31 January 2021 15: 06
      0
      In addition to "Panfilov's men", there is "Brest Fortress" and "In August 44". The 28 Panfilovtsev studio is currently filming the film Litvyak about the legendary pilot (a small cut of the footage is available on the net). Well, probably that's all.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 15: 14
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        Quote: Whiteidol
        "In August 44"

        He's some kind of cropped. If we compare the works "In August 44" and "Seventeen Moments of Spring", then the film "In August 44" of a series of 20 could be done that way.
        1. Whiteidol
          Whiteidol 31 January 2021 20: 48
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          I do not think that 20. I mastered the work itself in a day on vacation. Bogomolov also wrote "Ivan and Zosia". I recommend reading it if you are interested. I feel a sense of pride and fearlessness towards the boy in the work.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 20: 51
            -1
            Quote: Whiteidol
            I do not think that 20. I mastered the work itself in a day on vacation.

            Have you read "seventeen moments of spring"? It is more than half the size of Bogomolov's work. Nevertheless, Lioznova sbabahala the whole series.
            I read Ivan and Zosia.
      2. Roman B.
        Roman B. 6 February 2021 09: 38
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        "In August 44" I looked, I liked it, but it was made according to Bogomolov's book "The Moment of Truth" as early as 1974. Then, accordingly, a larger number of people still understood what war was. I also watched "Brest Fortress", the film is good, but for some reason did not leave a vivid impression.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 31 January 2021 12: 36
    +1
    Stalin, personally instructing Zoya to set fire to the huts ...


    Although in reality he just signed order 428 ...

    "Destroy and burn to ashes all settlements in the rear of the German troops at a distance of 40-60 km in depth from the forward edge and 20-30 km to the right and left of the roads."
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 31 January 2021 13: 10
    +4
    There is a bourgeois system in the Russian Federation. The basis of bourgeois propaganda is lies.
    Why is the Soviet system the target of denigrating bourgeois propaganda?
    Because under the Soviet system, neither racism nor oligarchs are possible.
    Whereas the actual division of people into varieties is the goal of bourgeois society.
    Under the estate system, people were divided into varieties by law.
    Under the bourgeoisie, such a division becomes a consequence of the disproportionate distribution of resources due to the alleged action of "objective economic laws."
    As long as Russia exists in the format of a bourgeois Russian Federation, the official "truth" about the USSR will be exactly in this form and in no other.
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 31 January 2021 14: 03
    -2
    Roman, that's right, but what does the president have to do with it? Aren't we the people who resented the censorship in newspapers in the 90s? Therefore, now we have any censorship of the media by the authorities constitutionally prohibited. At the same time, for those who maintain the media, there is still an opportunity to influence editorial policy. Do you understand? Installation, Roman, weren't you in your cycle of articles on the eve of the referendum that you expressed extreme skepticism about the amendments? The reader's attention was drawn, first of all, not to the content of the amendments, but to a certain fantasized fact of "zeroing". Thus, you ... disrupted the turnout. Yes, yes ... We remember. And now you are again, similarly, engaged in your article, criticism voastin, using a small reason before. In general, what did you want a scan of this article of yours?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 January 2021 14: 31
    +2
    [quote] [quMister President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin! Even in your New Year's address, you could not fail to mention the importance of Victory Day. But at the same time, the people you appoint to positions of responsibility, governed by your appointed ministers, continue to distort and rewrite history. I would like to remind you how recently you spoke out so actively for your amendments to the Constitution, which will help protect our history and so on. This is in words. But in fact we have another libel, removed for state millions and thousands, collected from the people. [/ Quote] [/ quote]
    In my opinion, one should get used to it (although sane people cannot get used to this) and stop crying out to people who in words (mainly on holidays) are "proud", but in fact they constantly spit on the history of the country that defeated fascism, encouraging the production of such " films ", the installation of memorial plaques and monuments to the accomplices of the fascists, including" works "of anti-Sovietists like Solzhenitsyn for study in the school curriculum .... It is useless to ask the executioner to choose a sharper ax so that it does not hurt so much lol ... Everything that is happening in the field of culture, education, and other areas is well within the framework of the government's policy of de-Sovietization, de-Stalinization, so to speak, of the consciousness of the younger generation. Therefore, there is no need to contact him / them - they know what they are doing, this fully meets the tasks that he / they have set for themselves. sad
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 08: 23
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      but in fact they constantly spit on the history of the country that defeated fascism, in every possible way encouraging the production of such "films", the installation of memorial plaques and monuments to the accomplices of the fascists, including the "works" of anti-Sovietists like Solzhenitsyn for study in the school curriculum ...

      That is, they are pursuing a systematic and purposeful policy.
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 31 January 2021 16: 05
    +8
    Not surprised. I don't know why everyone admires the 28 Panfilovites. There is a complete lie. The word Soviet is carefully avoided. Red Army and everything related to the USSR. Some group of Russian patriots is fighting the Germans. And stupid Germans.
    They walk in droves like in Chapaev under machine guns. The only normal scene is a scene of German artillery shelling.
    And Zoya ... a very tragic story ... also slandered by modern "historians". It's even scary to think what the serials did to her.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 19
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      Quote: Moskovit
      I don't know why everyone admires the 28 Panfilovites. There is a complete lie.

      I’m the same .. all the more, as it turned out later, when I was a child, I communicated with the Panfilovites.
  • Devil13
    Devil13 31 January 2021 18: 23
    +1
    If I see the "cinema fund" in the credits, the film can be skipped 90%.
    I wonder how they fit into the hero, although he is cool but a little dumb.
    28 Panfilov's men were removed without them, and thank God.
    I wonder when people get tired of pissing in their ears ...
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 31 January 2021 18: 43
    +1
    Is it really that bad? I personally have not watched the movie. I won't lie.
    Where would I watch it? All cinemas / houses of culture - covered with a copper basin. In our area.
    But, on TV, they seemed to be advertised for viewing ...
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 17
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      Quote: Benzorez
      But, on TV, they seemed to be advertised for viewing ...

      Didn't this alert you?