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"Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region

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"Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region

The US Naval Analytical Center (Center for Naval Analyzes) has developed a scenario of a "preemptive strike" on the Kaliningrad region, involving the elimination of four main components of the enclave's defense. Writes about this Over Defense.


According to this scenario, the main task of destroying military targets and seizing territory rests with NATO forces, represented mainly by the Polish army, which must act "quickly and suddenly".

For the operation to succeed, NATO units will need to destroy the four defenses of the Russian enclave. First of all, the Iskander-M launchers should be destroyed in order to prevent Russia from launching a "tactical nuclear war." To destroy them, it is proposed to use the experience of the destruction of the Iraqi Scuds.

The second target is the ships and infrastructure of the Baltic fleet, which must be struck with anti-ship missiles and long-range howitzers. This is a "long-term" task, so you first need to lock the fleet at the bases and then take action to destroy it.

The third target is the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, capable of controlling the airspace over half of Poland's territory. For the destruction of anti-aircraft systems, it is proposed to strike with MLRS.

The elimination of the Russian zone of restriction and denial of access and maneuver opens the skies for air strikes against forces trapped in the Kaliningrad boiler, eliminating heavy equipment and causing irreparable damage to the defensive capabilities of mobile motorized units

- experts plan.

And the fourth task is to destroy the remaining forces in the region "to ensure security in the Baltic states and the Suwalki corridor."

At the same time, it is emphasized that the best Polish military units numbering 30 thousand soldiers must participate in the rapid offensive. However, they may face difficulties in overcoming the terrain and come under fire from Russian artillery.

Any action that weakened the Russian military in the early days of any conflict could be critical to the future of the war in Central Europe

- experts say, while noting that full-scale military operations in the Kaliningrad region are "unlikely" today.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 January 2021 16: 59
    +128
    And the fourth task is to destroy the remaining forces in the region "to ensure security in the Baltic states and the Suwalki corridor."
    Will the rest of the regions of the Russian Federation calmly observe this? Damn strategists.
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 30 January 2021 17: 00
      +94
      The rest of the areas will hang flags at the White House in Washington DC.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 30 January 2021 17: 02
        +56
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        The rest of the areas will hang flags at the White House in Washington DC.


        Something tells me that the Pskov region will frolic at this time in the protected by these eccentrics
        Baltic countries
        1. Serg Murchikola
          Serg Murchikola 30 January 2021 17: 49
          -61%
          not a fact, for all the Pskov, do not have shoe covers
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 30 January 2021 18: 56
            +31
            Exactly, so that such "strategists" would not think of a "small tactical nuclear war" in the USSR, they would not develop such scenarios at all. All scenarios were global, for the complete destruction of the enemy.
            NATO knew this. And therefore, they also did not develop "small" conflicts with the USSR. And there was peace

            And the most important thing.
            And how do IN EUROPE ITSELF (and in particular in Poland) react to such scenarios?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 21: 37
              +31
              Quote: Shurik70
              Exactly, so that such "strategists" would not think of a "small tactical nuclear war" in the USSR, they would not develop such scenarios at all.

              Have you noticed? They speak of war as an approaching and inevitable fact.
              Any action that weakened the Russian military in the early days of any conflict could be critical to the future of the war in Central Europe
              I am deliberately using the quote given in the article, and not the text of the article itself with the word "unlikely".

              One thing is not taken into account in the plan - they should not think about the security of the Tribaltic and the Suwalki corridor in the event of an aggression and a preemptive strike, but about the security of Washington. Putin said very clearly о
              ... the readiness of the RF Armed Forces, if necessary, to strike not only at the basing territories of "enemy" missiles, but also at the "decision-making centers."
              Or did they stand with their backs, did not hear? Such a statement from the President of the Russian Federation is not at all what the Kims are threatening. Although America and the Kims were enough to shit ...
            2. lukewarm
              lukewarm 1 February 2021 18: 05
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              And how in EUROPE ITSELF (and in particular in Poland) to such scenarios react

              Who is asking them? In general, they are historically aggressively resentful towards us. So they may well have a positive attitude towards themselves.
          2. bad
            bad 30 January 2021 19: 02
            +58
            Quote: Serg Murchikola
            not a fact, for all the Pskov, do not have shoe covers

            And we are without shoe covers, in kirzach
            1. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 30 January 2021 22: 28
              +11
              ... without shoe covers, in kirzach


              For such an occasion, they will be given chrome.
              1. Amorphis
                Amorphis 1 February 2021 11: 11
                +1
                And cambric footcloths))
          3. sergo1914
            sergo1914 30 January 2021 19: 06
            +22
            Quote: Serg Murchikola
            not a fact, for all the Pskov, do not have shoe covers


            Everybody taught the case, I smoked for garages?
          4. Horon
            Horon 30 January 2021 20: 27
            +5
            Indeed, it will only be enough for a part of the Pskovites to organize the departure of "true Europeans" to the native land of Britain and to carry out ecological cleaning of the Baltic coast.
          5. frruc
            frruc 30 January 2021 21: 08
            +11
            .... First of all, the Iskander-M launchers must be destroyed in order to prevent Russia from deploying a "tactical nuclear war" .....

            That will not hurt, for example, to turn into a radioactive apocalypse and turn into ashes the entire territory of Poland and at the same time the Washington Regional Committee. am
        2. Machito
          Machito 30 January 2021 18: 14
          +24
          At a time when NATO will lock the Baltic Fleet in its bases, the Pskov Division will seize the Tribaltika, and the Suwalki Corridor will sink into oblivion as unnecessary.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 30 January 2021 20: 22
            +1
            Quote: Bearded
            At a time when NATO will lock the Baltic Fleet in its bases, the Pskov Division will seize the Tribaltika, and the Suwalki Corridor will sink into oblivion as unnecessary.

            The main intrigue lies in the action / inaction of the Armed Forces of Belarus.
            1. major147
              major147 30 January 2021 20: 59
              +3
              Quote: Flood
              The main intrigue lies in the action / inaction of the Armed Forces of Belarus.

              Yes, the question is certainly interesting.
            2. Machito
              Machito 30 January 2021 21: 31
              +4
              Quote: Flood
              Quote: Bearded
              At a time when NATO will lock the Baltic Fleet in its bases, the Pskov Division will seize the Tribaltika, and the Suwalki Corridor will sink into oblivion as unnecessary.

              The main intrigue lies in the action / inaction of the Armed Forces of Belarus.

              And who will ask them? The union treaty has not yet been canceled.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 30 January 2021 21: 33
                -12%
                Quote: Bearded
                And who will ask them? The union treaty has not yet been canceled.

                Remind me, it was active during 08.08.08?
                1. dmmyak40
                  dmmyak40 30 January 2021 22: 05
                  +14
                  Have we asked for help?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 30 January 2021 22: 43
                    -9
                    Quote: dmmyak40
                    Have we asked for help?

                    You are inattentive or inconsistent.
                    Your choice.
                    Because read carefully
                    Quote: Bearded
                    And who will ask them? The union treaty has not yet been canceled.

                    That is, it seems like it goes without saying that the contract is binding.
                    In fact, Article 18 of the Treaty contains points:
                    Quote: Treaty on the creation of a union state
                    .- joint defense policy, coordination of activities in the field of military construction, development of the armed forces of the participating states, joint use of military infrastructure and the adoption of other measures to maintain the defense capability of the Union State;
                    - interaction in international cooperation on military and border issues, including the implementation of international treaties concluded by states parties on the reduction of armed forces and arms limitation;

                    Very vague. It seems like interaction is provided. But its binding and order of actions are not obvious from the text of the Treaty.
                    Therefore, my question seems logical to me.
                    Do you know something about the order of interaction between the general staffs? Tell us. Very interesting.
                    1. Grif
                      Grif 31 January 2021 10: 41
                      +2
                      NATO's agreement is also not obvious. A NATO member country can get off with supplies of ammunition if something happens.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 January 2021 10: 53
                        -3
                        Quote: Grif
                        NATO's agreement is also not obvious. A NATO member country can get off with supplies of ammunition if something happens.

                        Learn to read your correspondence history to understand the subject under discussion and the meaning of the writing.
                        Do you have any idea why I wrote about the union treaty before clicking on "-"?
                        Kindergarten.
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                    3. dmmyak40
                      dmmyak40 31 January 2021 16: 05
                      +2
                      You are either poorly educated or naturally havoc. There is no choice left for you.
                      I asked a specific question - got a strange answer. Good luck. Learn etiquette.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 January 2021 17: 18
                        -3
                        Quote: dmmyak40
                        You are either ill-mannered or naturally rude

                        Quote: Flood
                        You are inattentive or inconsistent.
                        Your choice.

                        Where is the rudeness here, good citizen?
                        You are very confused.
                        Quote: dmmyak40
                        I asked a specific question - got a strange answer

                        Strange - does it mean that it is not clear to you?
                        Let me explain again: the comrade above referred to the union treaty, saying that Belarusians will not go anywhere in the matter of military assistance to Russia in case of war. I cited a quote from that very agreement. From which neither the regulations for the provision of that very help, nor its obligation follows. This was just the answer to your question: "did we ask?" Is it necessary to ask in case of an attack on the union state?
                        In this connection, I have a question
                        Quote: Flood
                        Do you know something about the order of interaction between the general staffs?

                        But instead of an intelligible answer, it was easier for you to theorize about my upbringing.
                        Quote: dmmyak40
                        Learn etiquette.

                        I also wish you to take care of this side of your upbringing.
                2. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 30 January 2021 22: 58
                  +15
                  Quote: Flood
                  Quote: Bearded
                  And who will ask them? The union treaty has not yet been canceled.

                  Remind me, it was active during 08.08.08?

                  Acted.
                  However, due to the fact that the event took place not on the territory of Russia, but on the territory of South Ossetia and Georgia, the provisions of the agreement regarding the involvement of military allies were not involved. According to the agreement, the participation of CSTO members is possible only if military operations begin directly on the territory of any of the countries included in the agreement.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 30 January 2021 23: 04
                    -4
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    According to the agreement, the participation of CSTO members is possible only if military operations start directly on the territory of any of the countries included in the agreement.

                    It was about the Treaty on the Creation of the Union State.
                    In any case, I understand that.
                    It is difficult to interpret the words about the union treaty differently.
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 30 January 2021 23: 07
                      +3
                      The treaty on the creation of a union state was signed in 1999, incl. as of 08.08.08 it was already in operation hi
          2. mole
            mole 30 January 2021 22: 46
            +7
            Quote: Bearded
            At a time when NATO will lock the Baltic Fleet in its bases, the Pskov Division will seize the Tribaltika, and the Suwalki Corridor will sink into oblivion as unnecessary.

            The Western world does not need Poles, tribals, etc. The task of the West is to prepare the meat, give a command to the FAS, look at the result, then declare either: "We have nothing to do with expressing concern" or "Raise the flag of victory."
            I lean towards the first option. Poles are expensive. The West knows how to count. In the future, even more expensive. So they will solve two problems at once: They will throw problems at us, Poles and others. allied vassals with appetite will be reduced.
          3. Grits
            Grits 31 January 2021 06: 35
            +7
            Quote: Bearded
            At a time when NATO will lock the Baltic Fleet in its bases, the Pskov Division will seize the Tribaltika, and the Suwalki Corridor will sink into oblivion as unnecessary.

            And then an armored skating rink will roll across Belarus to Poland. True, Poland does not know about this. She fights only with the Kaliningrad region.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 31 January 2021 14: 55
              -1
              Quote: Gritsa
              And then an armored skating rink will roll across Belarus to Poland.

              What kind of ice rink can you tell us? As part of the RF Army, there are only 2 TD (Moscow Oblast and the Urals), 2 TBR. (Nizhegor. Obl. And Transbaikalia) and the recently created 11th TP in Kaliningr. obl., if we consider that in the US Army TB there are 1/2 or 1/3 more tanks than in ours, then your comment can be considered a mockery ...
              And what does the RB have to do with it if we are now talking about the defense of the existing forces (in peacetime) of the territory of the Kaliningrad special defense. r-on .....
              The scheme (of the same type) for deployment as part of the KCHF, KBF and KSF - Army corps does not work here ...
              The field of activity of the KBF is very complex and consists of distant others from other theaters of military operations ....
              Accordingly, on the territory of the Kaliningrad special defense. The district had to deploy not the 11th AK (the successor of the 11th OA of the Baltic Military District of the USSR Armed Forces), with motley parts of different composition (ex: MSBr., MSP, TP) without a body kit, but a full-fledged MSD (consisting of three brigades - 2 MRBR. and 1 TBR., which in their composition could act independently) (under the Union on the territory of the Kaliningrad region and the MRD was stationed, being the basis of the 11th OA), with a permanent combat strength, all other units deployed on the territory of the Kaliningrad special defense. district (ABR., RBR., VP, BR. Air Defense), in case of war or in a threatened period, together with the MSD, form an Army group ...
              By the forces of the Kaliningrad special defense. The district should not be commanded by the naval command, but by the land command, since in which case the Red Banner Baltic Fleet will be destroyed (limited in maneuvers) and hostilities will take place in a land theater.
              We'll have to take unpopular measures, incl. to divide the KBF into two independent associations (this already happened after the Second World War), with different areas of responsibility ...
              Reforming Br. MP in Br. BO, similar in Crimea .....
              By the way, under the Soviet Union, the DShBr was stationed there, it would be useful there in the event of a war with the Empireists.
              1. Sergey269
                Sergey269 1 February 2021 14: 06
                0
                Let's start with the terms. The cart is "unfolded", the military units are DEPLOYED. On the territory of the Kaliningrad region. during the Soviet era, the 11th Army was not based on one MSD (if you have a Moscow-Minsk one), a tank division plus separate tank regiments was stationed in Sovetsk. Plus part of the Strategic Missile Forces, plus the DCBF, plus aviation and much, much more ... The USSR could afford a very expensive event in terms of financial costs for the maintenance of the entire number of troops in the Kaliningrad region, which were NOT the first echelon under the Warsaw Pact! Remember SGV, GSVG, YUGV. KOR is an outpost in the event of an armed conflict and is viewed as a deterrent with the necessary and sufficient composition of forces and means. The main role in deterring aggression is assigned to the forces and assets located in the second echelon (if one can call the strategic nuclear forces that way, unless, of course, the option of "aggression" by the Russian Federation is being considered, which the Poles and Tribals dream about so wetly.
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              2. Sergey269
                Sergey269 1 February 2021 14: 10
                0
                Remember the name of Kaliningrad during the Soviet era. City of rains bl-th and military units.
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      2. Serg Murchikola
        Serg Murchikola 30 January 2021 17: 47
        -43%
        if they can find this city in the Moscow region
      3. Pavel73
        Pavel73 30 January 2021 18: 27
        +5
        The first will be London.
      4. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 30 January 2021 20: 13
        +3
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        The rest of the areas will hang flags at the White House in Washington DC.

        I would like to break my legs in these ruins ...
      5. JackTheRipper
        JackTheRipper 30 January 2021 21: 42
        -3
        In their conclusions, they proceed from the balance of forces between NATO and Russia. You can even grind your teeth here, but the inequality in the ratio is obvious.
        1. kit88
          kit88 30 January 2021 22: 33
          +22
          All these "instrumental" measures will immediately recede into the background in the event of the start of NATO hostilities against the Russian Federation. Because the word will be taken by the troops "After us - nothing." And no one will be interested in how many aircraft carriers they had.
        2. lucul
          lucul 30 January 2021 23: 03
          +8
          You can even grind your teeth here, but the inequality in the ratio is obvious.

          You compare these warheads 9700 for NATO and 7900 for Russia in kilotons, and everything will not be so rosy)))
          And secondly, you can add China to Russia, because for China this will be the most favorable moment to enter the war.
          1. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET 30 January 2021 23: 14
            -6
            For China, yes ... that's just a question on which side))
            1. nemez
              nemez 31 January 2021 02: 10
              +5
              When amerskie AUG are hanging around your borders, which side will you take?
        3. codetalker
          codetalker 30 January 2021 23: 10
          +6
          Are you saying that all these NATO forces are gathered in one place (in the right place to strike at Russia) and are in constant combat readiness? I am not an expert, but I understand that such a comparison is amateurishness.
          1. silverura
            silverura 31 January 2021 00: 06
            -13%
            are on constant alert?

            12 aircraft carrier groups will be enough, if you do not take into account nuclear weapons. But seriously, it is the end of the world. And we are like victims of paradise. "Quote. V.V.P."
            1. nemez
              nemez 31 January 2021 02: 12
              +4
              And how close will they get? Will the coastal complexes fire?
        4. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 30 January 2021 23: 20
          +15
          Quote: JackTheRipper
          In their conclusions, they proceed from the balance of forces between NATO and Russia.

          Rather not in reasoning, but in feeble mind.
          Quote: JackTheRipper
          You can even grind your teeth here, but the inequality in the ratio is obvious.

          There is undoubtedly inequality, but there is, however, a great doubt that all NATO countries have a consolidated and unbridled desire to snatch mattresses on their faces for the sake of interests. I suppose that the Poles, after familiarizing themselves with this scenario, despite the fact that they traditionally demonstrate to the owners their look dashing and silly, a trickle of sweat ran between the shoulder blades on the back from the back of the head to the tailbone, because rhetoric is one thing, but war is another.
        5. Grits
          Grits 31 January 2021 06: 42
          +7
          Quote: JackTheRipper
          In their conclusions, they proceed from the NATO-Russia balance of forces

          It is certainly beautiful to compare all NATO countries against one country of Russia. True, there is a doubt - will the French or the Germans agree to risk the destruction of their cities to the level of ashes and stand up to defend their great allies - like the Poles or, moreover, some snotty Estonians?
        6. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 31 January 2021 06: 45
          +2
          Or maybe the fool is enough and the army that is located on another continent is not counted to begin with?)
        7. your1970
          your1970 31 January 2021 13: 58
          +1
          Quote: JackTheRipper
          In their conclusions, they proceed from the balance of forces between NATO and Russia. You can even grind your teeth here, but the inequality in the ratio is obvious.

          The only problem is that they don't even want to pay money to the NATO budget ...
          About the fact that to die for NATO, in general, the question does not arise. ...
          Therefore, NATO can add anything - in fact, 4/5 NATO will immediately leave NATO in the event of a war with the Russian Federation .. in 10 minutes ...

          Spain will fight? Greece? Italy? Stoned Netherlands? Denmark?
        8. megadeth
          megadeth 31 January 2021 14: 46
          +1
          The atom levels everything ...
        9. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 31 January 2021 15: 12
          -1
          Quote: JackTheRipper
          In their conclusions, they proceed from the balance of forces between NATO and Russia. You can even grind your teeth here, but the inequality in the ratio is obvious.

          You have outdated data, the RF Armed Forces have long had a number of combat strengths, and NATO does not have as many aircraft carriers, as well as submarines ...
          And the numerical strength and combat strength of both sides should be considered only the one that is located in the territory of possible theater of operations, and not the one that exists at all ...
        10. boris epstein
          boris epstein 31 January 2021 17: 27
          +1
          So why, then, with such a balance of forces, the United States, Poland, Ukraine, Norway, even neutral Sweden and others scream at the whole world about Russia's aggressiveness?
          Something is wrong here. Either the balance of power is not right, or the West has its brains on one side of hatred for Russia ..
      6. altimo1
        altimo1 31 January 2021 04: 31
        +3
        Washington is just a blunt force - torpedoes in jargon. In London, the whole dog rummaged. This is where you need to level with the ground and sprinkle with salt.
      7. rus-5819
        rus-5819 6 February 2021 14: 55
        0
        "The soldier was getting drunk, a tear was rolling
        Trophy didn't call "iPhone" ...
        And on his chest glowed
        Medal for the City of Washington "
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 January 2021 17: 30
      +19
      Quote: sergo1914
      Will the rest of the regions of the Russian Federation calmly observe this? Damn strategists.

      It is they who are looking at the reaction to this statement from the Kremlin. Forgetting that Russia could have the same scenario in relation to Poland.
      1. Cutter
        Cutter 30 January 2021 17: 54
        +6
        the Polish army, which must act "quickly and suddenly."

        Everything? "Clownery" is over ????? BUT ... THEY survived.
        I am proud of you, veterans of the Polish Army, and Russian brothers
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 January 2021 17: 57
          +4
          Quote: Cutter
          I am proud of you, veterans of the Polish Army, and Russian brothers

          So do I.
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 30 January 2021 18: 17
          +18
          Quote: to
          Polish army, which must act "quickly and suddenly

          With them, if they give up immediately. There will be a chance to remain the last Poles on mother earth. wink
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 30 January 2021 21: 10
            +9
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            There will be a chance to remain the last Poles on mother earth.
            This idea can be promoted to the masses. Competition for speed: the first 1000 who suddenly surrender have a chance to become the nation's gene pool.
            1. lucul
              lucul 30 January 2021 23: 05
              +1
              This idea can be promoted to the masses. Competition for speed: the first 1000 who suddenly surrender have a chance to become the nation's gene pool.

              To do this, you can create comp. Strategies, they will just understandably)))
          2. frruc
            frruc 30 January 2021 21: 29
            +4
            They will be included in the "Red Book" of an endangered species on earth.
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      1. Sayan
        Sayan 30 January 2021 19: 29
        +23
        Quote: Serg Murchikola
        Yes, they will observe and actively vote on the Internet, Transnistria, LDNR, Karabakh were observed (in the latter, they decided to figure out who is hu, while everything is peaceful). GumConvoys were sent to LDNR (who do you think who gets it ??!) - i.e. 1 and 2 were left unattended (and why would it be difficult to install an armature in the city and find out whose ski tracks are in the snow with the same population census)

        You are sick, only haloperidol will help wassatrecommend, take daily, morning and evening on an empty stomach
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      3. Horon
        Horon 30 January 2021 20: 34
        +8
        whose ski tracks in the snow

        Change your diet! You have a full (nose) flight of consciousness!
      4. frruc
        frruc 30 January 2021 21: 33
        +1
        Do not worry. We will remember everything and everything. Everyone will get what they deserve.
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 30 January 2021 17: 50
      -13%
      Quote: sergo1914
      And the fourth task is to destroy the remaining forces in the region "to ensure security in the Baltic states and the Suwalki corridor."
      Will the rest of the regions of the Russian Federation calmly observe this? Damn strategists.

      For the rest of the units there is Japan, Ukraine, Tribalts, maybe Turkey will want a piece of the pie, after all, in NATO, friends Bulgarians and Romanians will be happy to provide airfields for partners from NATO. Poland will not fight alone
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 January 2021 19: 53
        +14
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Poland will not fight alone

        of course it won't, it won't be there right away
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 30 January 2021 22: 59
          -3
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Poland will not fight alone

          of course it won't, it won't be there right away

          Well, the sea in the place of Poland will not grow, but it is needed as a supplier of infantry and as a bridgehead, it does not need resources, production, or command, and meat and land will be there even after Yao's strike on large cities
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 January 2021 23: 16
            +3
            Quote: Vol4ara
            meat and land will be there even after Yao hitting large cities

            312 thousand km2? )))))))))))))))))))))))))) It's time for Poles to ski if they think there will be war
          2. Grits
            Grits 31 January 2021 06: 51
            +3
            Quote: Vol4ara
            and meat and earth will be there even after Yao's strike on large cities

            After what he saw, this fried meat will hardly be eager to pick up a melted machine gun and run to free the Balts. Since it will only be done to dig deeper into the ground and finish off the neighbor in order to take the remains of buckwheat and matches from him.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 31 January 2021 08: 38
              -5
              Quote: Gritsa
              Quote: Vol4ara
              and meat and earth will be there even after Yao's strike on large cities

              After what he saw, this fried meat will hardly be eager to pick up a melted machine gun and run to free the Balts. Since it will only be done to dig deeper into the ground and finish off the neighbor in order to take the remains of buckwheat and matches from him.

              The machine will not be melted, fairy tales and fantasies. And it is after what he saw that he will want to take revenge and kill
        2. Grits
          Grits 31 January 2021 06: 48
          +2
          Quote: poquello
          of course it won't, it won't be there right away

          And then, in order, all of the above. I think they understand this.
      2. frruc
        frruc 30 January 2021 21: 35
        +2
        Well, let them try to fight. The place will seem small.
      3. sergo1914
        sergo1914 31 January 2021 08: 34
        +1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: sergo1914
        And the fourth task is to destroy the remaining forces in the region "to ensure security in the Baltic states and the Suwalki corridor."
        Will the rest of the regions of the Russian Federation calmly observe this? Damn strategists.

        For the rest of the units there is Japan, Ukraine, Tribalts, maybe Turkey will want a piece of the pie, after all, in NATO, friends Bulgarians and Romanians will be happy to provide airfields for partners from NATO. Poland will not fight alone


        I know the Poles - we worked together for a while. Honestly, I did not see in them a desire to shove with a machine gun across our border. Even the most stubborn one. What a nobleman with ambition. But also with common sense. With the understanding that on this side of the border - only graves with crosses can be fought.
    5. Doctor
      Doctor 30 January 2021 18: 33
      +7
      Will the rest of the regions of the Russian Federation calmly observe this? Damn strategists.

      The rest will fight the rest.
      This is part of the general plan of the third world.
      Kaliningrad was entrusted to the Poles. wink
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 30 January 2021 19: 01
        +13
        Quote: Arzt
        Kaliningrad was entrusted to the Poles.

        The Germans started the 2nd World War with Poland, now they are entrusted with the great honor of starting the last war on the Earth ball. And it's not the States that will start, but Poland! And not just start, but die first in its crucible!
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 30 January 2021 19: 05
          +5
          The Germans started the 2nd World War with Poland, now they are entrusted with the great honor of starting the last war on the Earth ball. And it's not the States that will start, but Poland! And not just start, but die first in its crucible!

          Well, the Poles don't know that.
          They hope, like Mussolini in the French company, "to improve the maritime boundaries." fellow
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 30 January 2021 21: 25
          +4
          Quote: Starover_Z
          And not just start, but die first in its crucible!
          They can send fighters forward in dirty trousers with greasy forelocks, perfectly wielding a combat hopak.
      2. poquello
        poquello 30 January 2021 20: 22
        +1
        Quote: Arzt
        Will the rest of the regions of the Russian Federation calmly observe this? Damn strategists.

        The rest will fight the rest.
        This is part of the general plan of the third world.
        Kaliningrad was entrusted to the Poles. wink

        very strange plan
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 30 January 2021 21: 41
          0
          very strange plan

          It's not a plan yet. So, we figured out and compared the forces in advance.
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 January 2021 22: 44
            +3
            Quote: Arzt
            very strange plan

            It's not a plan yet. So, we figured out and compared the forces in advance.

            found something to compare, for 30 Polish troops the most humane is to go over to the side of Russia and defend Kaliningrad, then there is a chance that Poland will be destroyed point-by-point and they will go to take Warsaw
      3. Horon
        Horon 30 January 2021 20: 38
        +10
        The Russian military doctrine has a solution for such a case. Read it at your leisure. The rest, who still survive, will fight for a crust of bread and a glass of clean water.
    6. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 30 January 2021 18: 49
      +25

      You can also watch when the smoke clears ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 30 January 2021 19: 08
        +9
        There will be a funnel over all of Europe.
    7. Labrador
      Labrador 30 January 2021 19: 22
      +3
      This is a "long-term" task, so first it is necessary to lock the fleet at the bases and then take action to destroy it.

      Correctly. Where the Poles are in a hurry, probably no one will answer ...
      If the psheks are stupid enough to sign up to such a plan, then I am truly sorry for them.
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 31 January 2021 01: 56
        +4
        In fact, it is such a clever plan to stop paying subsidies to Poland anymore. There is no Poland - no subsidies.
    8. avg
      avg 31 January 2021 14: 56
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Will the rest of the regions of the Russian Federation calmly observe this? Damn strategists.

      Well, okay states, they dream of fighting somewhere in Europe, and better by someone else's hands. But the Europeans are quite stupid people. Well, if only they thought about the consequences, they would ask Stoltenberg a simple question - Well, they captured Kaliningrad, and then what? request
      And after answering this question, the second one will immediately appear - why the heck do we need it? what
    9. keeper03
      keeper03 31 January 2021 20: 39
      0
      War to the last Pole ?! belay But what about the Americans ?! request soldier
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 30 January 2021 17: 01
    +37
    What have I read now? belay Science fiction on VO?
    What the hell is a "blow to the Kaliningrad region"? Who in his Sane mind can carry it out ... and what will happen next?
    1. Alf
      Alf 30 January 2021 17: 05
      +21
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Who in his Sane mind can hold him ...

      represented mainly by the Polish army,

      The term "basically" means that only Poles will go into battle, and NATO will be represented by one American observer with non-combatant status.
      The Poles are constantly blown away by hatred of the Russians, and these can throw themselves.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 30 January 2021 17: 10
        +25
        Quote: Alf

        The term "basically" means that only Poles will go into battle, and NATO will be represented by one American observer with non-combatant status.
        The Poles are constantly blown away by hatred in the Russians, and these can rush.

        Poles decided to sacrifice to democracy, and all together with the country? what
        1. Alf
          Alf 30 January 2021 17: 12
          +16
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Poles decided to sacrifice to democracy, and all together with the country?

          As in the joke about illegal immigrants - These are Moldovans, and who counts them?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 January 2021 17: 31
          +8
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Poles decided to sacrifice to democracy, and all together with the country?

          Once such a booze has gone, cut the last cucumber!
        3. 210ox
          210ox 30 January 2021 19: 11
          +3
          Well, such is the fate of the "hyenas of Europe". Although I hope that we have our own cunning plan for Poland.
        4. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 30 January 2021 19: 14
          +5
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Poles decided to sacrifice to democracy, and all together with the country?

          well, what's wrong? Poles are familiar, their country has already disappeared from the world map once. wink
      2. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 30 January 2021 17: 24
        +17
        What are you, Vasily? They may hate us. Maybe they have dreams from one to one. But they will not twitch in one helmet. And even if they go with mattresses, then only in the second echelon. I liked this nonsense more about the fleet. Iskanders means we will immediately bring down nuclear weapons. and we will shoot the ships slowly, the sailors have no calibers and they are not, at all not familiar with nuclear weapons))))
        1. Grits
          Grits 31 January 2021 06: 56
          +2
          Quote: zadorin1974
          the sailors have no calibers and they are not familiar with nuclear weapons at all

          I'm really not entirely sure that there are nuclear weapons on the BF ships
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 31 January 2021 07: 13
            0
            And in warehouses? Yes, and at the expense of ships is covered with seals))) And the concept of a sudden strike is also rubber.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 29
      +16
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Science fiction on VO?

      An extract from the medical history of a mentally ill storyteller
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 30 January 2021 17: 35
        +7
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Science fiction on VO?

        An extract from the medical history of a mentally ill storyteller

        I'm afraid this diagnosis of Psychiatry is not yet known! It's just a gift for Science!
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 38
          +2
          Quote: Hunter 2
          I'm afraid this diagnosis of Psychiatry is not yet known!

          And the patient is unusual. True, there are many of them, but they come out one by one and therefore are not so noticeable yet.
    3. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 30 January 2021 17: 29
      -4
      I think this is Alexei Volodin periodically throws such fakes on the site. To maintain a patriotic frenzy.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 30 January 2021 19: 02
        -5
        I think this is Alexei Volodin periodically throws such fakes on the site. To maintain a patriotic frenzy.

        No, it's deeper here. The dudes from Langley organized a discussion of the retirees of the USSR, the artificial intelligence will work through the comments and adjust the plan. winked
        1. major147
          major147 30 January 2021 21: 04
          +5
          Quote: Arzt
          will adjust the plan.

          They would be more careful in Langley with a "plan" .....
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 30 January 2021 17: 29
      +15
      I think this scenario is the actual distribution of roles.

      That is, the seizure of the Kaliningrad region is Poland's task;

      Far East - Japan;

      The blow to the central part will be from Ukraine;

      South - to parts of Georgia and Turkey.

      I think the United States will find a common language with China, promising them a part of Russia.

      Local national units will be used as punishers during cleansing, and the main blow will be delivered by the United States, it will be a Tomahawk missile strike from ships, submarines, missile defense systems located in Alaska, Japan, South Korea, Europe and the massive use of UAVs and fighter-bombers F-35.

      Here's a rough calculation.

      And they can succeed, especially if the Russian society itself is split by provocateurs like Navalny.

      Therefore, we do not relax, we work, pay taxes, strengthen the country's defense, and Navalny and all violators of the law who used violence against law enforcement officers are sent to prison.

      The time for persuasion is over.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 30 January 2021 17: 34
        +18
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        I think this scenario is the actual distribution of roles.

        The scenario for the actual distribution of roles will be as follows!
        1. Strike with all Forces and Means on the Screenwriter, finishing off the Puppets ...
        2. Reasonable cockroaches will once build their Civilization! request
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 30 January 2021 18: 02
          -14%

          ... Blow with all Forces and Means on the Scriptwriter, finishing off the Puppets ...


          Will we have much strength left after their blow?

          Given the accuracy of American missiles, they will be able to hit even our missiles in mines, and there is nothing to say about airfields and naval bases.

          Modern American submarines carry 40-200 Tomahawks and dozens of boats they have + surface ships with URO in the ports of the Baltic States, Ukraine, in the Mediterranean Sea, off the coast of Japan.

          They can easily strike a surprise blow of thousands of Tomahawks, and then the next exercises turn into an invasion with an increased transfer of troops.

          Will our remaining forces be able to respond and overcome the multi-level missile defense system? And will this answer be so significant for them?

          Poland, Japan, South Korea and the rest of the United States will easily donate.

          The threat is quite real, as is the scenario that these experts voiced. Those who are supposed to take it as a guide to action.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 30 January 2021 19: 12
            +2
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Given the accuracy of American missiles, they will be able to hit even our missiles in mines, and there is nothing to say about airfields and naval bases.


            Historically, our accuracy (from coast to coast) has been offset by the number and power of PSUs. What's the use if they can get into the shaft cover? Moreover, these covers ...
          2. nemez
            nemez 31 January 2021 02: 22
            +2
            Are you delusional ?! the mines are protected from a nuclear missile hit, if anything, and where is their missile defense?
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 31 January 2021 12: 06
              -2
              Are you raving ?! the mines are protected from a nuclear missile hit, if anything, and where is their missile defense?


              The mines with missiles are protected from a nuclear explosion if it happens somewhere in the vicinity, but no missile can be protected from a direct hit on the mine by a high-precision Tomahawk or an attack UAV.

              And they have missile defense along the perimeter of our country from Alaska and Japan to Europe + a naval component where each US destroyer and cruiser and NATO and Japan frigates with South Korea carry dozens of Standard anti-aircraft missiles.

              We need to strengthen our army and navy and be ready for such a development of events as these experts describe, we need to build more fortifications and runways at our airfields for our aircraft and a bunch of false positions, and all other equipment and personnel also need more than just parks, and fortified hangars, so that even in the event of a massive missile strike, most of our forces would survive.

              And today we have planes and armored vehicles in a row at the airfield and in parks under the open sky, not only can the enemy count them all to within one piece, so another cluster munition will disable them all with one blow.

              The range of the Tomahawk is 2500 km, the new versions will be 4500 km each - draw circles from the US bases where there are missile defense systems on land and at sea - they cover the entire part of Russia except the northern part where we have nothing !!!
              1. KCA
                KCA 1 February 2021 07: 18
                +1
                According to open rumors, ICBM mines are sufficiently protected from all kinds of crap, such as Axes, for example, with salvo shrapnel art installations, and then, and who will wait until the ax will fly 4500 (in wet fantasies) kilometers in 5 hours and only then will give the order for a response salvo by everyone by forces and means? In your opinion, no one, well, no one at all will suspect an attack on Russia watching a volley of thousands of missile defense missiles and ICBMs and will wait until they knock on the mine cover?
          3. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 31 January 2021 15: 24
            0
            Ratmir_Ryazansurface ships with URO in the ports of the Baltic States, Ukraine

            Could you name the cities of Ukraine and the Baltic countries, where there are naval and PB bases with permanent bases of cruisers, destroyers and frigates of the US Navy URO?
            The threat is quite real, as is the scenario that these experts voiced.

            What are the experts? Today is a day off in all hospitals, here are the "experts" and frolic ....
            took this as a guide to action

            Which one for example?
            If you don’t answer today, we will wait until next weekend ....
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 52
        +15
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        and Navalny and all violators of the law who used violence against law enforcement officers were sent to prison.

      3. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 30 January 2021 17: 54
        +7
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And they can succeed, especially if the Russian society itself is split by provocateurs like Navalny.

        In the 90s, society was much more split, and what the army was like in 95 ... And nevertheless, they did not conquer and did not dismember. Until the nuclear threat is parried, no one will do this, they made it clear that even if you personally do not participate in the fight, then you will also fly
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 30 January 2021 18: 14
          -6
          In the 90s, they were not yet so confident in their abilities.

          That is why they were in such a hurry to reduce our weapons systems, sawed off everything from OTRK to strategic aviation aircraft, and they increased their forces both in weapons and in allies and worked out tactics. And they easily return their disassembled planes in the wilderness and missiles to service.

          They prepared a scenario for Yugoslavia - first a provocation, then a civil war, and then finishing off.

          And they have already begun to implement the scenario - through the financing of terrorists in the Caucasus and the "opposition" in Russia.

          But then Putin came and upset their plans.

          That is why the West does not like him so much.

          But Putin is not eternal, and the West is not going to abandon its plans.

          The threat is real and it is necessary to respond to such statements harshly so that the Poles do not even think to look askance at Kaliningrad.

          Our airfields must be reinforced with a large number of runways and shelters for aircraft, the same for all other equipment and ships, and so on throughout the country. So that even a sudden massive missile strike could save most of our forces.

          And now they see our planes directly from the satellite, what is where we have and how much.
        2. major147
          major147 30 January 2021 21: 07
          +2
          Quote: Vol4ara
          And yet they did not conquer or dismember.

          They hoped for further collapse under Borkin's rule.
      4. boni592807
        boni592807 30 January 2021 19: 29
        -8
        Ratmir - Ryazan ,, Today, 17:29, NEW - "... I think this scenario is the actual distribution of roles ..."

        Thank you, colleague, and then one ellipsis from the solid -U-rya-i-i! drinks
        Bad when don't underestimate yourself but even worse if you count repeatedly "verified POTENTIAL PARTNER "(The West is still led by the United States) and consider him a sucker and a weakling.
        Let me remind you of 1941., then Russia (USSR), at that time was neither weak nor stupid. Economy - tough, but industrialized. The military-industrial complex, the army and respect for it. There was an understanding, we will not have time - they will crush! And in terms of economics and morale ... There is nothing to compare.
        Let's draw parallels:
        -were Tanks, from which the Germans were horrified at the collision, But few and fragmented.
        - Were katyusha - withm earlier about tanks.
        - the army has been largely run in and conclusions have been drawn on the wars - Finnish, with Japan (Hanchingol). Spain and other places. Incl. parallels suggest themselves.
        - territorially, see the map - The Baltic did not hang with NATO. Now Svidomoya is "at the edge of the Crimea, and there is at least the United States and trained" new janissaries. " h. Colleague Ratmir - Ryazan ,, Today, 17:29 - very "humanely" painted the probable prospects from the possible "beginning" indicated by the Yankees.
        - But, and the "human factor" - in the same 1941 -: somewhere "transferred" to potential partners of that time (Germany), and Europe at that time? USA and Europe ... common phrases, and so "nothing - personal only business" incl. from Hitler's Germany! ... The question of volunteers in the Russian Federation for the front now ...
        But also to dear Colleague Ratmir - Ryazan,, Today, 17:29, small offer (addition). hi Do not take into account the "internal" opportunities in Russia of our potential partners (at least the USA and England ...) - do not respect yourself. repeat
        Specify: what
        - "cloudless sky over all Spain!" - I translate the result of this historical phrase - 5 column,
        - the current "know-how", almost mirrored in essence, but in power - the authors received the name - 6 columns, (Probably 5 + 6 columns 10% of the number of Russians, see elections)
        - described back in the 2000s in books, incl. our analysts. Kosovars (including Kosovo) who successfully worked for the good of the West in Yugoslavia (Serbia), in Libya (Gaddafi) - in the same original role - were imported as cheap labor. About the number and places in the Russian Federation - let those who have eyes see, those who have brains, and appreciate them. Easier, where is it NOT ?! And this is cute and they are deeply RF ... And the benefits for free ... See the summary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (criminal) and the FSB (ter-m). What a reserve, ... USA (England), it will not be taken into account ..!? You offend them! bully
        And the fact that the Americans are doing info-stuffing (about Kaliningrad), uhthen checking the nerves and brains of the RF .... and who has forgotten about the provocations of NATO aviation, incl. in the Crimea and the call to the Crimea, the American bomb-ka I with a VERY possible nuclear weapons from the Ukraine. And Japan suddenly "forgot" that it had lost 2 MV and WANTED for the beginning of the Kuril ...
        Yes, and with the Chinese ... the US partners have long been talking about the possibility of 2 world hegemons ... True, China, then, did not fall for cheese ... But until evening, and cheese can be replaced with honey, and in China it can "change "leader (" get sick "- we recall entirely the cancers of the South American presidents who turned their backs on the United States, or Iranian scientists and not only. And another group may come ... an example of Gorby ...). THE PRICE OF THE QUESTION for the USA is very high. Incl. "Bolivar will not stand it ...." (someone remembers - the smart one knows, the seeker will find it.)
        Yes, and other participants of the planetary advancing performance, there is THAT TO LOSE.
        As an invaluable bonus, the whole RUSSIA and the "closure" (if we do not find the strength, the means and ...) of the project are Russians (Russians).
        For the distrustful and ur-i-i - read, look from American military projects, to our analysts. From views of horror films on a military theme, etc. VOV (real), etc.
        Yes, and "deza," and "tests" of brains and nerves in military affairs, Nick did not cancel. Hwe read the great-great-great- ... the grandfather of Sun-Tzu "The Art of War" ... And potential ones teach him ...
        Yours faithfully, ... hi
      5. lucul
        lucul 30 January 2021 23: 11
        -6
        And they can succeed, especially if the Russian society itself is split by provocateurs like Navalny.

        Yes ? And how will our communists behave at this time? Will they defend the country, or will they try to overthrow the oligarchs, led by Putin? )))
        A very interesting question)))
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 31 January 2021 12: 33
          0
          Yes ? And how will our communists behave at this time?


          Our communists have already once brought the people to poverty and the country to collapse.

          And with Putin and the "oligarchs" Russia is getting richer, bigger and stronger !!!
    5. figwam
      figwam 30 January 2021 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What the hell is a "blow to the Kaliningrad region"?

      This can only begin with a provocation and the death of Polish citizens, to which they are already preparing a response in the form of the destruction of Kaliningrad.
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 January 2021 17: 44
      +7
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What have I read now? Science fiction on VO?

      "Loose" because the United States Naval Institute (USNI)) is an American think tank, non-profit organization.
    7. Sayan
      Sayan 30 January 2021 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What have I read now? belay Science fiction on VO?
      What the hell is a "blow to the Kaliningrad region"? Who in his Sane mind can carry it out ... and what will happen next?

      Rather, it was hallucinations wassat
  3. svp67
    svp67 30 January 2021 17: 02
    +9
    which must act "quickly and suddenly".
    And who, after such plans, "Ahresor"? Who is obliged to DEFEND whom?
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 30 January 2021 17: 23
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      And who, after such plans, "Ahresor"? Who is obliged to DEFEND whom?
      This is a rhetorical question, for you and me for sure. I am more worried about another question, is it possible to initiate a criminal case against these figures?
      The US Naval Analytical Center (Center for Naval Analyzes) has developed a "preemptive strike" scenario against the Kaliningrad region, which assumes the elimination of four main components of the enclave's defense.
      I don’t know, for incitement to violate the integrity of Russia, for example.
  4. BIABIA
    BIABIA 30 January 2021 17: 02
    +6
    Dreamers ... For this all you need to adjust the rszo first to the launch distance. Ours, of course, will be indifferently watching.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 34
      +4
      Quote: BIABIA
      ... To do this, all you need to adjust the rszo first to the launch distance.

      And to concentrate the troops near the border with our complete non-interference
      At the same time, it is emphasized that the best Polish military units numbering 30 thousand soldiers should participate in a rapid offensive.

      This is how to escape from real life
    2. figwam
      figwam 30 January 2021 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: BIABIA
      To do this, all you need to adjust the RSZO first to the launch distance.

      Kaliningrad is surrounded by NATO, there is no need to rush anything, in the event of hostilities, it is shot through and through. With the blocking of the Baltic Fleet, our army will have to fight its way through the Baltic States and all this may end in a big war, as Putin spoke about the other day.
  5. major147
    major147 30 January 2021 17: 03
    +14
    This strategy is designed so that NATO's adversary will be blind, deaf and stupid!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 January 2021 17: 33
      +6
      Quote: major147
      This strategy is designed so that NATO's adversary will be blind, deaf and stupid!

      And that Russian strategic missiles with nuclear weapons are not aimed at all the capitals of countries unfriendly to Russia.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 54
        +6
        Quote: tihonmarine
        , to all capitals of countries unfriendly to Russia.

        So VVP directly said that we will hit the decision-making centers
    2. Serg Murchikola
      Serg Murchikola 30 January 2021 17: 53
      -9
      the strategy is never published anywhere in the media, these are journalistic dreams
  6. Pereira
    Pereira 30 January 2021 17: 03
    +10
    Where are the analysts planning to hide?
    1. realmadmaxx
      realmadmaxx 30 January 2021 17: 26
      +5
      maybe they are from New Zealand laughing
      I read somewhere that in the event of a nuclear won, New Zealand is the safest place on Earth, bully
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 39
        +7
        Quote: realmadmaxx
        New Zealand is the safest place on earth

        And the Mariana Trench lol
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 30 January 2021 17: 46
          +3
          I would vote for Easter Island. The most remote place from any other land.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 55
            +2
            Quote: Pereira
            The most remote place from any other land.

            And there is definitely no oil and gas and amersky embassy?
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 31 January 2021 00: 22
              +2
              There is no oil. I'm not sure about the embassy. But if not, it will be so. How long is it skillful?
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 30 January 2021 17: 50
        +1
        For a long time already (90s) I met statements that the American elite decided to move to Australia for permanent residence. Like far away, calm.
        For me, this version was confirmed by the fact that in Australia then real estate went up the hill.
        But now the Chinese are settling there and I am no longer sure that the Baruchs will settle near the Celestial Empire.
    2. Sayan
      Sayan 30 January 2021 19: 37
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      Where are the analysts planning to hide?

      Probably in captivity belay
    3. lucul
      lucul 30 January 2021 23: 15
      0
      Where are the analysts planning to hide?

      And Katz offers to surrender, and then destroy the country from within))))
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  7. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 30 January 2021 17: 06
    +4
    Their hands do not stop itching from their great intelligence, and after all, after a magic kick in the ass or a blow with a fist on a turnip, they will not get rid of.
  8. Ham
    Ham 30 January 2021 17: 06
    +4
    Do the Poles know that they were appointed to the role of "cannon fodder"?
    especially "the experience of destroying the Iraqi" scuds "" amused ...
    The coolest thing is that the rest of the forces of Russia are completely ignored - as if the Kaliningrad enclave is some kind of banana republic ...
    we can conclude that the analysts from Center for Naval Analyzes just stupidly washed the dough ...
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 30 January 2021 17: 52
      -4
      Nothing fancy. Analysts are confident that our elite will not dare to go to a big war.
      And if they don't doubt it for a second, then they have reinforced concrete reasons.
      Are you sure that our oligarchy is ready for self-sacrifice? Me not.
      1. Ham
        Ham 31 January 2021 10: 40
        +1
        firstly, what do you mean when you write - "oligarchy"? do you think that we have an "oligarchy"?
        then everything is clear with you ...
        secondly: about what kind of "analysts" who "do not hesitate for a second" do you write about? not about the guys from Center for Naval Analyzes?
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: Ham
      Do the Poles know that they were appointed to the role of "cannon fodder"?

      Who's the bar request well, he will say that they are taking him to the slaughter
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 30 January 2021 21: 44
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Ham
        Do the Poles know that they were appointed to the role of "cannon fodder"?
        But who will tell the ram that they are taking him to the slaughter
        And you don't need to lead. They will just invite you to a festive dinner, he will come running.
  9. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 30 January 2021 17: 08
    +5
    to ensure security in the Baltic States and the Suwalki Corridor

    These are cretins and they have an appropriate plan, because the Suwalki corridor without Kaliningrad ceases to exist as an operational category, and therefore it will no longer be necessary to defend it in this case)))
  10. marlin1203
    marlin1203 30 January 2021 17: 08
    +3
    Cut first, then destroy ... they are not taught anything at all? And 30 thousand in the offensive is only 5-7 thousand defenders. Something tells me that there will be more in the area :)
  11. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 30 January 2021 17: 10
    +5
    That is, the mattress strategists have come up with another "plan" of how to set their mongrels against Russia. But for some reason they did not take into account that the "hunt for the Scuds" in Iraq was not a weak shame. And suddenly they forgot that, according to the current defense doctrine of the Russian Federation, such actions would trigger a massive nuclear strike, and not only against Poland.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 January 2021 17: 14
    +5
    But there it is not far from Warsaw ... tongue 30 thousand Poles ... In total. And they are going to clean up the Kaliningrad region? There are probably no less of our troops there, combat aviation, tank units ... And "Calibers" on ships ... Oh well, nonsense ...
    1. Local from the Volga
      Local from the Volga 30 January 2021 19: 56
      0
      They have forgotten that there are 100 civilian men ... Some with an ax, some with a Berdan, but some are heavier!)
  13. Poetry
    Poetry 30 January 2021 17: 14
    +6
    The ease with which these "strategists" plan to destroy the Russian Federation is striking. Oh well...
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 January 2021 17: 16
    +5
    We fought and went to dinner.
  15. bar
    bar 30 January 2021 17: 16
    +5
    The US Naval Analytical Center (Center for Naval Analyzes) has developed a "preemptive strike" scenario against the Kaliningrad region, which assumes the elimination of four main components of the enclave's defense.

    And the plan for the evacuation of Warsaw, New York and Washington was attached? Otherwise, they may not be in time ...
  16. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 30 January 2021 17: 17
    +4
    Do you Poles understand? Meat, go ahead, but if you die, you die!
  17. Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 30 January 2021 17: 18
    +1
    "enclave defense"

    Fine...
  18. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 30 January 2021 17: 18
    +2
    NATO non-aggressiveness is detected.
  19. xomaNN
    xomaNN 30 January 2021 17: 21
    +4
    It turns out that we need to be afraid of the "Great Army of the Polyak"? And MLRS is their main hope. Yankovskaya M270 MLRS with a range of 40-80 km. seems to be achievable to the naval base Baltiysk, if you shoot directly from the border. True, only if the air defense and reconnaissance of the BF are asleep and are indifferently watching from the outside.

    Therefore, to hell with her, with Poland. It is customary to cover the border area with atomic weapons.
  20. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 30 January 2021 17: 22
    -2
    For Russia, you need to place Strike Weapons here! And not at the Warehouses, as usual, but at the Airfields and in units !!! And then, after all, it will again be like in 1941! Complete loss of communication, coordination and control! Who and what warehouses will be able to go and bring, and charge ... the necessary means of response-defeat !? By this time, there WILL NOT be such people, as well as those warehouses !!! In Germany, US nuclear weapons are stored at airfields Directly! Picked up - flew - bombed !!! And there will be SOMEONE ALREADY to answer !!!
  21. realmadmaxx
    realmadmaxx 30 January 2021 17: 24
    +6
    the country that decides to destroy the Kaliningrad region No.
    will cease to exist after a while, most likely)
  22. gurzuf
    gurzuf 30 January 2021 17: 24
    +7
    I read the article and remembered the words of V.V. Putin - smart people, why are you holding us for fools?
  23. Odysseus
    Odysseus 30 January 2021 17: 26
    +9
    The link to the article itself was forgotten
    https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/01/22/kaliningrad-gambit-nato-preemptive-strike-scenario/
    There, the ending is cheerful - "after completing the specified tasks, start a slow and systematic retreat to the Vistula River" ......
    1. Rose capone
      Rose capone 30 January 2021 17: 38
      +2
      "There is a funny ending -" after completing the specified tasks, start a slow and systematic retreat to the Vistula River "......
      The situation is the same as in 1941. Then in June, too, no one believed in a sudden blow to the Soviet Union, and the newspapers were full of patriotism and hatred and faith in the foresight of Stalin and the AUCPB and faith in the might of the Army and the Navy. And what happened .....?
      And NATO experts lull our vigilance with a useless summary "" "that full-scale military operations in the Kaliningrad region today are" unlikely. "
      LIKELY STILL LIKE. Some zealous Swedes got loose. But they are not even in NATO.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 January 2021 18: 22
        0
        Today it is not 41st - how many are there 30000 pshek attack aircraft of the Kaliningrad region - let these planners in the United States immediately prepare 30000 coffins for them and at least 300000 more hornbeams for Poland itself, since as soon as they pull them there and Poland our strategic aviation will bring down hundreds of cruise missiles then also the Iskanders from the territory of European Russia - we left the INF Treaty.
  24. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 30 January 2021 17: 28
    +4
    According to this scenario, the main task of destroying military targets and seizing territory rests with NATO forces, represented mainly by the Polish army, which must act "quickly and suddenly".

    It seems that there is a whole month before spring and it is too early for such an exacerbation to appear ... fool But nothing that:
    According to the new version of the military doctrine, RF reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event aggression against the Russian Federation using conventional weaponswhen the very existence of the state is threatened.

    ??
    How many former Polish lands will disappear into oblivion just because of 30 maddened idiots ...
  25. Cowbra
    Cowbra 30 January 2021 17: 29
    +2
    It is understandable why Hollywood has not made normal films for a long time. The Pentagon took all the screenwriters - they draw for him there scenarios of the fantasy "Invincible Zamwalt", the post-apocalypse "The Last B-1B" and the disaster film "Shit F-35: Perversion of the Legend"
  26. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 30 January 2021 17: 37
    +4
    Yes, even a hundred plans can be developed.
    As long as Comrade Putin is in charge, these plans can be multiplied by zero.
    What will happen next. This is the QUESTION.
    Large / small. Something like Gorbachev / Yeltsin will come, I'm finished. Large / small.
  27. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 30 January 2021 17: 39
    +1
    ... while noting that full-scale military action in the Kaliningrad region is "unlikely" today.

    Well, some normal thought slips through, although against the background of proposals for any military action against the Russian Federation, one can immediately see big problems with reason.
  28. nobody75
    nobody75 30 January 2021 17: 43
    +4
    First of all, the Iskander-M launchers should be destroyed in order to prevent Russia from launching a "tactical nuclear war." To destroy them, it is proposed to use the experience of the destruction of the Iraqi Scuds.

    How, interestingly, colleagues - analysts imagine this process ??? The first thing the coalition did during the Gulf War was air supremacy. The destruction of scuds was carried out according to satellite and aerial reconnaissance data, as well as on the guidance of aircraft correctors. And the opposite is true for colleagues. First, the destruction of the OTRK - then the air defense.
    The second target is the ships and infrastructure of the Baltic Fleet, which must be hit with anti-ship missiles and long-range howitzers. This is a "long-term" task, so you first need to lock the fleet at the bases and then take action to destroy it.

    And the Baltic Fleet aviation? Colleagues, did you forget to destroy the airfields? What will it turn "long-range howitzers" into? And anti-ship missiles will break through the air defense, which is planned to be suppressed only at the third stage ...
    Will the ships of the Baltic Fleet "Caliber" in the cities of Poland not work?
    The third target is the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, capable of controlling airspace over half of Poland's territory. For the destruction of anti-aircraft systems, it is proposed to strike with MLRS

    Amen ... For the second time they forgot about aviation ... And about art. systems of the Kaliningrad group. While you, colleagues, will carry out the first and second phases, your foothold will be rolled out ...
    Sincerely
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 30 January 2021 17: 51
      +3
      - First of all, we will destroy the Iskander!
      - How?
      - Are you going? They told you - first thing!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 January 2021 18: 27
        0
        They can only destroy them with the help of GBU 39, which means that the Kaliningrad region needs reinforcement with Armor and Tori, as well as the Gamma Casta and Approach radar station.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 30 January 2021 18: 52
          +1
          They can only destroy them with GBU 39

          Excuse me, but how will the carriers break through the air defense? and who will carry out target designation to them? By yourself? through a container? And what about intelligence purposes? Through an uav? Will the Aviation Division be useful to them?
          Sincerely
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 January 2021 17: 25
            0
            These bombs have a planning range of more than 110 kilometers, and they can launch them from Poland as a first strike.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 31 January 2021 19: 40
              0
              And will they get into Iskander at once? Without additional reconnaissance? Will the Aviation Division comply with the borders? And the air defense men too? Do you know why this whole article appeared? The Psheks dreamed that during the Zapad-2017 exercise, a preemptive nuclear strike on Warsaw was being practiced ...
              Sincerely
        2. sergo1914
          sergo1914 30 January 2021 19: 33
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          They can only destroy them with the help of GBU 39, which means that the Kaliningrad region needs reinforcement with Armor and Tori, as well as the Gamma Casta and Approach radar station.


          The best reinforcement of the Kaliningrad region is the strategic nuclear missile carriers of the Northern and Pacific fleets. While they are there, everyone sits quietly and evenly. Like a mouse under a broom. Even Poles and Balts.
        3. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 30 January 2021 19: 57
          0
          there is nowhere to put them!
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 30 January 2021 18: 36
      +3
      According to available information, simultaneously with the restoration of the 689th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment, the second former "indigenous" regiment of the Kaliningrad aviation group was restored - the 4th Separate Guards Naval Assault Novgorod-Klaipeda Red Banner Aviation Regiment named after Air Marshal I.I. Borzov of the Baltic Fleet Naval Aviation, also disbanded in 2010 with the relegation to the status of an assault aviation squadron, repeating the organizational zigzags of the fighter squadron from the former 689th regiment. The 4th regiment was eventually restored from the assault squadron of the 72nd Naval Aviation Air Base (at the end of 2018, the squadron had up to 14 Su-24M aircraft and eight new Su-30SM).
      According to official reports from the Russian Ministry of Defense, as of January 2019, the 72nd Naval Aviation Base of the Baltic Fleet continued to exist, and both restored aviation regiments (4th and 689th) are part of it. It can be assumed that in the future the 72nd airbase will be reorganized into an aviation division.

      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3519911.html
      14 "twenty-fourths" under the cover of 8 "30" and S-400 in the trash will roll out positions of barrel art and MLRS.
      Sincerely
  29. Old Man
    Old Man 30 January 2021 17: 48
    +3
    in order to "prevent Russia from launching a" tactical nuclear war "" Iskander enough for them? Yes ... Poles are apparently a very brave people, and much braver than the Spaniards. And those after the first launches of Caliber on the bandits in Syria (from the Caspian Sea), immediately realized what this meant.
    And, by the way, you can forget about "surprise", because to ensure it you will have to teach these 30 thousand how to land, and precisely on such a scale ... Greetings to the Germans and other eco-Swedes from the strategists because of the mobility.
  30. rocket757
    rocket757 30 January 2021 17: 54
    +3

    "Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region

    It is very harmful / dangerous to admit to the drawing up of REAL PLANS, different gamers who have outplayed computer shooters!
    Media, virtual, Hollywood, everything may look "nice / beautiful" for some ... in reality, only death and destruction!
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 January 2021 18: 07
      +2
      Such plans have always been and will be, but why is nothing said about what Russia will do in response? Good time! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 January 2021 18: 44
        +2
        Welcome soldier
        Quote: cniza
        why is nothing said about what Russia will do in response?

        Honestly, I'm tired of listening / reading how lonely PANTSIRI, FAVORITES and ARMATS will destroy ...
        Firstly, they do not stand alone with us, do not wander, but there is a PART OF THE SYSTEM !!! in which there is a lot of other things, different.
        Secondly, no one even remembers that the local one still needs to fly, but immediately, to the meeting, a LOT and DIFFERENT will fly!
        In short, the "guys" outplayed shooters!
        But those who really imagine everything to themselves are very, very careful in their statements and plans, because they HAVE to take into account EVERYTHING that will happen in reality ... besides, they remember that they have NO restart buttons, like lives, additional.
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 January 2021 18: 51
          +1
          Yes, computer games contribute to the fooling ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 January 2021 18: 58
            +1
            Yes, many have brains on one side. The more there will be, those ... in short, a bad development option, a dead end.
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 January 2021 21: 10
              +3
              This is not just a dead end, there is a danger of leaving the virtual world, but making decisions and actions in the real ...
        2. Nadrub
          Nadrub 30 January 2021 19: 00
          +2
          Shhh ... don't shout like that :) maybe the State Department is reading a military review :)
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 January 2021 19: 35
            +2
            Ha, why hide, and how to hide what is an INTERNATIONAL phenomenon ... i.e. with them, with us, with ALL!
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 January 2021 21: 11
              +3
              Here I am about the same, let them read, enjoy and land in the real world ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 January 2021 22: 11
                +2
                Quote: cniza
                Here I am about the same, let them read, enjoy and land in the real world ...

                Not all are read ... we have many philosophers and other thinkers, very different.
  31. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 30 January 2021 17: 55
    -1
    Clinical mania, to divide the military-industrial potential of the Russian Federation into independent principalities, each of which is on his mind. Although it is likely that they will not rush to help Kaliningrad right away, they will look at the enemy, and at the same time they will stir up a noble fury. But in any case, where God does not provide, there is a candle, by definition. True, the definitions are different, a just God should not discriminate and interfere, if not bullshit. Such creates laws irresistible to anyone, such as the laws of physics.
    1. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 30 January 2021 18: 22
      -3
      I don’t respect minusers, those who are plus show what they agree with. And those who are minus, some muddy, without reason, as in the hole wastes, no one knows whose. They look like prostitutes.
  32. huntsman650
    huntsman650 30 January 2021 17: 57
    +3
    Will the preparation for the capture go unnoticed? Plus, their people at the headquarters of the Polyandia will not report on the impending offensive? Did they not take into account the preemptive strike? On weekends and holidays in Poland, half of Kaliningrad))) it was before the pandemic))) the border cities of Poland were fed at the expense of Kaliningrad, the Polish traders themselves will warn)))
    1. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 30 January 2021 18: 26
      +2
      If this is for me, then apparently the address was confused. True, I don't work here, you can say I'm drinking here.
      1. huntsman650
        huntsman650 30 January 2021 19: 11
        +2
        This is for everyone)))
  33. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 30 January 2021 18: 05
    +4
    Simply - "United States Naval Analytical Center -" CNA Corporation, is a non-profit research and analytical organization based in Arlington County, Virginia "
    the guys and I in the garage, we also came up with a plan of attack on California ... Let's discuss it on VO? laughing
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 30 January 2021 18: 10
      +2
      With pleasure, they just canceled the quarantine ...
      Sincerely
    2. Alf
      Alf 30 January 2021 20: 21
      0
      Quote: 2 level advisor
      Simply - "United States Naval Analytical Center -" CNA Corporation, is a non-profit research and analytical organization based in Arlington County, Virginia "
      the guys and I in the garage, we also came up with a plan of attack on California ... Let's discuss it on VO? laughing

      The RAND Corporation is also a non-profit organization, and its employers are the US Army and Navy ...
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 30 January 2021 20: 51
        +3
        RAND is a serious office! And these, excuse me, are some kind of clowns ... Who plans such operations!
        Sincerely
        1. Alf
          Alf 30 January 2021 20: 53
          +1
          Quote: nobody75
          Who plans such operations!

          Don't you think that this is a "face", and behind it there is a more serious and calculated plan?
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 30 January 2021 21: 07
            +3
            Why didn't you think? Even last year I thought ... And even tried to draw. Nothing interesting, however, I did not succeed ... I generally consider the Baltic states and East Prussia as secondary theater of operations.
            Sincerely
            1. Alf
              Alf 30 January 2021 21: 14
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              In general, I consider the Baltic States and East Prussia to be secondary theater of operations.

              That's exactly what is secondary. They will check how Russia will react to a strike on a peripheral area, which is not vital. And, frankly, I'm not very sure about the answer, in Syria, too, at first they shouted - we will hit the carriers. Then they shouted, We will shoot down everything that flies. Then - Everything that flies in our direction. Then the blows on Khmeimim were explained as HPP ... The army will be able to repel the blow on Kaliningrad, but who will make the decision, some have a daughter in Holland. As if the anecdote about bombing Saratov did not become a sad truth.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 30 January 2021 21: 30
                +3
                Her husband is Fleming ... And now she is not in the Netherlands, it seems ... Although, I do not follow other people's wives. We are discussing the "plan".
                1 The Poles stupidly do not yet have combat-ready stealth carriers capable of breaking through the air defense of the Kaliningrad region.
                2 30 thousandth invasion group exists only on paper.
                3 The Baltic Fleet fighter regiment is being rearmed at full speed
                4 INF Treaty no longer exists, and Russia already has land-based cruise missiles and medium-range missiles. Therefore, hunting for Iskander is meaningless.
                So all plans of this kind are utter nonsense.
                Sincerely
                1. Alf
                  Alf 30 January 2021 21: 33
                  0
                  Quote: nobody75
                  So all plans of this kind are utter nonsense.

                  It would be good if these plans remained as plans.
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 30 January 2021 21: 41
                    +1
                    You inspired me. I'll draw on Sunday ...
                    Sincerely
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 30 January 2021 21: 42
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      You inspired me. I'll draw on Sunday ...
                      Sincerely

                      If your plan is not chipboard, show me?
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 30 January 2021 21: 44
                        +1
                        Of course I will! I'm not in business at all ...
                        Sincerely
  34. cniza
    cniza 30 January 2021 18: 06
    +3
    And the fourth task is to destroy the remaining forces in the region "to ensure security in the Baltic states and the Suwalki corridor."


    Will the rest of Russia just watch? Funny dreamers ...
  35. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 January 2021 18: 06
    +2
    According to my scenario, if the developers of the scenario against Kaliningrad try to execute it, they will not be able to reach the cemetery, and many will not reach the Canadian border. I am not talking about Europe at all. am
  36. megadeth
    megadeth 30 January 2021 18: 08
    +2
    And what, all the other RF Armed Forces (SNF) will nervously smoke on the sidelines ??? After the alleged "destruction of Kaliningrad", I think in place of such countries as Germany, France, England, I am not talking about coals ...
  37. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 January 2021 18: 14
    +2
    This is dangerous, because the ash will remain from the geyrope, and from the striped ones too, and we are in paradise. I would not want to.
  38. Dimide
    Dimide 30 January 2021 18: 14
    +3
    It seems to me that everything will not be limited to the Kaliningrad region.
    If there are strikes, it will be from many directions, from West to East
  39. ximkim
    ximkim 30 January 2021 18: 14
    +1
    Think like the enemy (this is the only way to win). Kaliningrad will be on a silver platter when the population leaves the region. The main thing is to help in migration. There will be voids, they will be occupied ..
  40. sleeve
    sleeve 30 January 2021 18: 17
    +2
    I demand not to forget the region beyond the Urals. It's a long time to go and fly. Please wait ...
  41. hohkn
    hohkn 30 January 2021 18: 22
    +1
    that the best Polish military units, numbering 30 thousand soldiers, should take part in a rapid offensive.

    Where can they find so many sick people? No one in their right mind would agree to this.
  42. Gato
    Gato 30 January 2021 18: 26
    +3
    The US Naval Analytical Center (Center for Naval Analyzes) has developed a scenario of a "preemptive strike" on the Kaliningrad region

    I wonder if they have a scenario in case of an invasion of reptilians? I would like to read ...
    1. Jaromir
      Jaromir 30 January 2021 19: 26
      +2
      Quote: Gato
      Is there a scenario in case of an invasion of reptilians?

      request Here https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/1363324-usa/ it says that: The Pentagon is developing plans for incidents of invasion by killer robots, aliens and zombies. bully
  43. sleeve
    sleeve 30 January 2021 18: 27
    +2
    But to be more serious ... The problem of all these opuses consists of two components. I am sure that even the Liechtenstein General Staff, if it were in reality, would draw up plans for a war with Germany and France ... and with another district. This is the job of the military. Calling loudly about this is the job of civilian leaders of military unions. Such things are modern peacock feathers of militarism. We are here, we are planning! To what extent this is true and relates to the REAL plans of the joint headquarters - with forks on the water and without a swing. But noise is needed for whipping up. In fact, in theory, it should cheer up both ours and others. Here is the second component let us down. Here and the sergeant-motorized rifleman, having unfolded the map and read the old data on the wiki, will rudely laugh (because he had read the doctrine before, but even if not ...). Therefore, all this "squalor" is theater. It is hard to believe that NATO's military thought has been so refined.
    However, this is quite like a scenario of action in the case of AUTONOMIZATION of the area for any reason, that is, the certainty that there will be no retaliatory move and the case will have to be dealt with with available forces, or even with reduced ones ...
    1. Jaromir
      Jaromir 30 January 2021 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: sleeve
      I am sure that even the Liechtenstein General Staff, if it exists in reality

      good If they had in reality also an army ... laughing
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 30 January 2021 19: 30
        +1
        You are an evil person in terms of someone else's dream)))
  44. Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 January 2021 18: 31
    +2
    These idiots think that it will be like in the Crimea "quickly and suddenly." And it will be like in Vietnam. Pochikayut and run will force those who are lucky to survive.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 30 January 2021 18: 49
      +2
      The train of thought is not clear.
      What happened in the Crimea? Whom who pochikal? ..
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 30 January 2021 18: 51
        -3
        what Russian language is apparently not native? Have you forgotten Ali according to the decree of "HohloprEzidEnta"?
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 30 January 2021 19: 09
          +2
          Muzchina, I was born and will die near the Crimean region of the USSR.
          Whatever you fantasize there. hi
  45. Python 57
    Python 57 30 January 2021 18: 49
    +2
    It is impossible to hide the preparation for such an event. As soon as a decision is made, preventive strikes will be launched.
  46. Alexfly
    Alexfly 30 January 2021 18: 50
    +1
    Hopefully the Yankees aren't going to cook a nuclear boiler in Europe ?? And which of the Europeans still needs a US umbrella?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 30 January 2021 19: 00
      +1
      "The hopes of young men are nourished ..." (c) If they were sure that everything would be limited only to Europe, they would have brewed it long ago. They don't care at all. The trick is that they cannot sit out overseas, as in two world wars. They will receive it in full, but they don't want it. winked
  47. Nadrub
    Nadrub 30 January 2021 18: 58
    +3
    Quickly and suddenly ... and then something went wrong :))) not at all :)
  48. Installer
    Installer 30 January 2021 19: 06
    +2
    Another Barbarossa Plan
    1. Jaromir
      Jaromir 30 January 2021 19: 17
      +3
      4 years after the beginning of "Barbarossa", the Red Army stormed Berlin ... During the Cold War, the USSR had a plan according to which the Soviet Army, in a matter of weeks or months, captured Western Europe ... Who knows, maybe now there is a plan of assault Washington? bully
  49. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 30 January 2021 19: 07
    +1
    Why aren't we making plans to take over California?
    1. Jaromir
      Jaromir 30 January 2021 19: 14
      0
      I think the General Staff does not have a plan to capture California, but a plan to strike at all NATO countries. And why do we need infected California then? wink
    2. Nadrub
      Nadrub 30 January 2021 21: 59
      0
      Why do we need California, there are some with an ambiguous orientation :)))
      And for Texas the plan is already ready :)
  50. evgen1221
    evgen1221 30 January 2021 19: 12
    0
    Vummmny these Americans are already breathtaking. And a quick and sudden attack by the Poles on the enclave will not cause such a quick and sudden end to Poland as a state? However, Europe is even on hand - benefits will not have to be paid.