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Russian "Pantsir-C1" kidnapped in Libya will be transported to the USA

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Russian "Pantsir-C1" kidnapped in Libya will be transported to the USA

The Russian-made Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile-gun system (ZRPK) captured by the Americans in Libya will be moved to the United States. Writes about this publication Popular Mechanics.


According to the newspaper, the anti-aircraft complex will be relocated from the American Ramstein airbase in Germany to the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, where the US National Aerospace Intelligence Center is located, specializing, among other things, in studying samples of foreign military equipment.

It is assumed that the "Pantsir" will be disassembled and rebuilt in order to study the principles of its operation for the "future protection of aircraft of the US Air Force and its allies from the Russian weapons".

At the same time, military experts emphasize that the Americans will not learn much of the captured complex, since they got the export version of the air defense missile system supplied by the UAE. All military equipment supplied for export differs from that intended for the Russian army and the factor of likely falling into the hands of a potential enemy is taken into account in its production.

We will remind that the British edition of The Times recently reported that in July 2020, American special services removed from Libya the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft complex of Russian production, belonging to the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar. ZRPK was delivered to Germany at the American Ramstein airbase.

The reason for the abduction of the complex is called the prevention of a possible fall of the air defense missile system into the hands of smugglers of weapons and its use to destroy civilian aircraft.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 30 January 2021 12: 50
    +3
    Well, to us "Tomahawks", to them "Armor" ... "mutually beneficial" military-technical "cooperation"
    1. EDWARD
      EDWARD 30 January 2021 12: 55
      +19
      incomprehensible story with this Shell .. delivered by the UAE to Haftaru. what prevented the Amers from studying it in the UAE as well? The UAE is an ally and vassal of the "Hegemon".
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 January 2021 13: 49
        +3
        Quote: EDWARD
        incomprehensible story with this Shell .. delivered by the UAE to Haftaru. what prevented the Amers from studying it in the UAE as well? The UAE is an ally and vassal of the "Hegemon".

        in, religion does not allow to buy
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 30 January 2021 19: 31
          +7
          Russia supplies "Pantsir" to a great many.
          Everything that is possible has long been studied in the USA.
          You just need to make Victories from time to time. Or "victories". And tell everyone about it loudly. Even if the victory is exaggerated.
          So they inflated Victory from getting the "Shell"
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 30 January 2021 20: 07
            +1
            Quote: Shurik70
            You just need to make Victories from time to time. Or "victories". And tell everyone about it loudly. Even if the victory is exaggerated.
            So they inflated Victory from getting the "Shell"

            Peremoga, panimash, a great thing! wassat
          2. poquello
            poquello 30 January 2021 20: 13
            0
            Quote: Shurik70
            Russia supplies "Pantsir" to a great many.
            Everything that is possible has long been studied in the USA.
            You just need to make Victories from time to time. Or "victories". And tell everyone about it loudly. Even if the victory is exaggerated.
            So they inflated Victory from getting the "Shell"

            it is doubtful, the victory of the level "write to the compote", the chickens laugh
      2. venik
        venik 30 January 2021 13: 53
        +11
        Quote: EDWARD
        incomprehensible story with this Shell .. delivered by the UAE to Haftaru. what prevented the Amers from studying it in the UAE as well? The UAE is an ally and vassal of the "Hegemon".

        =======
        It's one thing to "study", but completely different - test at their proving grounds!
        Most recently, one of the commentators voiced ingenious guess: they need it in order to check how "invisible" are the "invisible" F-35 and others, ... (at least for the "export" versions) !!!
        I agree with this hypothesis 100%! good drinks
      3. Terenin
        Terenin 30 January 2021 14: 21
        +1
        Quote: EDWARD
        incomprehensible story with this Shell .. delivered by the UAE to Haftaru. what prevented the Amers from studying it in the UAE as well? The UAE is an ally and vassal of the "Hegemon".

        Yes, or just buy it in Russia laughing
        Well, let the United States at least look calmly at the creation of our Russian military masters yes
      4. nnm
        nnm 30 January 2021 14: 35
        +5
        So they probably studied. In general, some kind of hype out of the blue. Both complexes in
        export version. The Americans will not see anything new, but such a sensation and a circus made ...
      5. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 30 January 2021 16: 40
        0
        Why rebuild to learn how to work? Maybe aftop is confusing what?
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      6. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 30 January 2021 18: 28
        +1
        Quote: EDWARD
        what prevented the Amers from studying it in the UAE as well? The UAE is an ally and vassal of the "Hegemon".
        "Get" (buy from local warriors) "Shell" and bring the "trophy" home - asterisk on shoulder straps.
        Just research "Vassal's Carapace" - work without bonus, no thanks - just work ...
      7. Piramidon
        Piramidon 30 January 2021 20: 18
        0
        Quote: EDWARD
        what prevented the Amers from studying it in the UAE as well? UAE ally and vassal of "Hegemon"

        Emirs would not give for nothing, but here is a freebie.
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra 30 January 2021 12: 56
      +3
      Not. To us - a secret drone landed by Iran. But they were quietly taken out there. They just landed a drone, and the next day, for some reason, read the cargo Ruslan to Iran and back.
    3. voronkov
      voronkov 30 January 2021 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Well, to us "Tomahawks", to them "Armor" ... "mutually beneficial" military-technical "cooperation"

      Well, this is not entirely profitable Sergey .. I remember their tomahawks in Syria in the milk they beat mainly And the Armor showed themselves well in the destruction of the same rackets and other UAVs .. They are afraid to fly into the airspace of Syria, their vaunted invisibility and others from both sides. -16 I remember flying, turned into a sieve and the corpse was not even found ..))) Now there are more modernized systems .. Here we live!
      1. venik
        venik 30 January 2021 14: 08
        +7
        Quote: voronkov
        I remember that the Turkish F-16 flew into a sieve, and the corpse was not even found.

        =======
        Well, firstly, not an F-16, but an F-4RF (reconnaissance), and secondly - not a "corpse", but "corpses" (there is a crew of -2 people) .....
        But the RESULT is not affected in any way ...drinks
        1. voronkov
          voronkov 30 January 2021 14: 17
          +2
          Quote: venik
          Quote: voronkov
          I remember that the Turkish F-16 flew into a sieve, and the corpse was not even found.

          =======
          Well, firstly, not an F-16, but an F-4RF (reconnaissance), and secondly - not a "corpse", but "corpses" (there is a crew of -2 people) .....
          But the RESULT is not affected in any way ...drinks

          Well, you are right .. in detail. Thank you for recalling these wonderful moments at "Pantsir-S" This is how he became famous! drinks
          1. venik
            venik 30 January 2021 15: 43
            +3
            Quote: voronkov
            Well, you are right .. in detail. Thank you for recalling these wonderful moments at "Pantsir-S" This is how he became famous!

            =======
            Yes, in general, it's not at all!
            PS Interestingly, who is "thrown with slippers" ??? request
          2. no one
            no one 31 January 2021 22: 12
            -2
            Then there was a great moment with the shooting down of su 24. Identity like 2 pilot
    4. Prisoner
      Prisoner 30 January 2021 14: 42
      0
      Where is the mutually beneficial? laughing the ax was supposed to jerk (which is typical, it did not jerk. laughing , and I will sell "Armor" to the "Papuans" in a truncated version). All stayed with their own, mouse fuss and no benefit.
    5. AlexG83
      AlexG83 30 January 2021 20: 32
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Well, to us "Tomahawks", to them "Armor" ... "mutually beneficial" military-technical "cooperation"

      So-so "cooperation", "Shell" will obviously be more valuable and much more. To kick the back seat to those who allowed this (in Libya).
      1. KCA
        KCA 31 January 2021 07: 57
        0
        Not only axes were suddenly buried in the sand, but also aviation CR
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 January 2021 12: 51
    -1
    So this particular Carapace is old! laughing A competent crew is needed and when launching or firing barrels you need to know the magic Russian words. I would say but WO will not miss. And in general Baltun is a godsend for a spy! tongue
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 January 2021 13: 05
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      So this particular Carapace is old!

      But there are newer ones and it may turn out to be a "trophy"
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 30 January 2021 13: 09
        -3
        But there are newer ones and it may turn out to be a "trophy"

        In Libya? Where is he from there?
        Well, the confidence that "Pantsir" is too old and too exportable is very strange. How significantly can the UAE shell differ from the serial one in principle? The system "friend or foe" is that, well, the chassis, and nothing more.
        1. svp67
          svp67 30 January 2021 13: 21
          +1
          Quote: alexmach
          In Libya? Where is he from there?

          "The wind blew"
        2. poquello
          poquello 30 January 2021 13: 52
          +2
          Quote: alexmach
          The system "friend or foe" is that, well, and the chassis, and nothing more.

          in general, they seem to differ greatly from the letters at the end
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 30 January 2021 13: 16
        +1
        And to whom have we recently supplied new Carapaces?
    2. venik
      venik 30 January 2021 19: 54
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      So this particular Carapace is old! laughing

      =======
      The one that the Americans captured - for sure "junk"! good good It was the most first version!
      About: "who sitting at the helm "- it's" bull's-eye "!!! good (I know from my own experience!) ...: About "magic words" - drinks Nothing was done without them! Let them throw slippers at me, but Russ - "swearing" is strong! (of course, if you use them at the time и in place)! request hi
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  4. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 30 January 2021 13: 03
    +3
    Vorye is one circle. Does this blm work like that? Black sees an expensive car, black steals an expensive car. In the name of democracy.)))
  5. Professor
    Professor 30 January 2021 13: 05
    0
    All military equipment supplied for export differs from that intended for the Russian army and the factor of likely falling into the hands of a potential enemy is taken into account in its production.

    Storytellers. The customer is supplied with the equipment he orders. And clients paying hundreds of millions of dollars are not suckers. It is not uncommon for foreigners to get better equipment than the one that goes to the Russian Federation. So, for example, it was with the T-90 tanks for India.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 30 January 2021 13: 13
      +9
      Quote: Professor
      And clients paying hundreds of millions of dollars are not suckers.

      What are you doing, Morina ?! And to all those who bought the F-35 were told that they were not suckers? And the Indians were told when they bought Rafali for 220 million / piece. more expensive than the F-22, and then the Indians realized that they could not even refuel in the air - they said that they were not suckers?
      The T-90 was created in the export version, there is nothing secret on it, the MSA is French. Sour cabbage soup
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 15: 21
        +2
        Quote: Cowbra
        T-90 was created in the export version

        The T-90 was made just for the Indians.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 30 January 2021 13: 20
      +6
      So when was it, in the last century? I'm talking about T90. The young Indians saved Uralmash. And I'm not worried about electronics, I talked with a person close to the topic here. We discussed the C 400 for Turkey. Breakthrough technologies are not exported.
      1. Professor
        Professor 30 January 2021 13: 28
        -4
        Quote: tralflot1832
        So when was it, in the last century? I'm talking about T90. The young Indians saved Uralmash. And I'm not worried about electronics, I talked with a person close to the topic here. We discussed the C 400 for Turkey. Breakthrough technologies are not exported.

        What kind of childhood? On your performance characteristics can be provided not by "breakthrough" technologies? Or the client will shell out a billion dollars for a system that does not meet performance characteristics. Oh yes. He agreed to weak performance characteristics by overpaying, and not buying it from the soulless bourgeois for whom profit is above all. good

        "Krasnopol" for the Russian army has a greater range and better accuracy than for the Indian?
        Do they produce engines for fighters for export using a different technology than for the Russian army? Do they have less thrust and less resource?
        Submarines for Algeria create more noise than for the Russian Federation? Are there special defects in the propeller?
        1. kot423
          kot423 30 January 2021 13: 38
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          What kind of childhood?

          You are talking such nonsense ... negative What are you then pans on your head and P.O. Do you make your own for the penguin? Or are your owners "exceptional" behind the puddle, your nonsense above does not concern them?
          PS Less bend under the owner on V.O. - more for a smart one ...
          1. Professor
            Professor 30 January 2021 13: 45
            -1
            Quote: kot423
            You are talking such nonsense ...

            Welcome to the adult world. fellow

            Quote: kot423
            What are you then pans on your head and P.O. Do you make your own for the penguin?

            We make helmets as part of international cooperation. We do it not only for ourselves, but also for the Americans. Breaking the pattern?
            We do software for ourselves in order to integrate OUR weapons that are more suitable for our needs than the original American ones. Plus the support of YOUR MIC.

            Quote: kot423
            Or are your owners "exceptional" behind the puddle, your nonsense above does not concern them?

            We have no masters since the times of the Egyptian pharaohs, and you see all the masters. May you finally be free.

            Quote: kot423
            PS Less bend under the owner on V.O. - more for a smart one ...

            I understand your slogan. He does not come to me due to the absence of the owner. Nobody's perfect. hi
            1. kot423
              kot423 30 January 2021 13: 48
              -4
              Quote: Professor
              He does not come to me due to the absence of the owner. Nobody's perfect.

              "Oh, these fairy tales, Oh, these storytellers" C (last year's snow was falling)
              Look, it will be instructive for you.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 30 January 2021 13: 59
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              Welcome to the adult world

              What did he forget there? He is "well fed" in his own little world, but in the adult world he must think.
        2. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 30 January 2021 13: 38
          +2
          Below are the characteristics of not the driving iron, but the avionics in this gland, can you catch the difference?
          1. Professor
            Professor 30 January 2021 13: 49
            -2
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            Below are the characteristics of not the driving iron, but the avionics in this gland, can you catch the difference?

            Again. Competition in the arms market is fierce. As a client with a billion American rubles in my pocket, I will choose what I need. The Russians will not give me a system with the performance characteristics I need, I will buy it from the Americans. Or Europeans. Or the Chinese. Of course, if we are talking about systems that have no analogues in the world. wink
            1. Reserve buildbat
              Reserve buildbat 30 January 2021 19: 20
              +2
              Professor, and tell us, illiterate, analogs of the "Shell", created by mattress makers, please)))
              I'm not even talking about the analogues of "Buk", "Torah", "Tunguska", "Air Defense Derivation", and our other products. wink
              1. Professor
                Professor 30 January 2021 21: 47
                -2
                Quote: stock buildbat
                Professor, and tell us, illiterate, analogs of the "Shell", created by mattress makers, please)))
                I'm not even talking about the analogues of "Buk", "Torah", "Tunguska", "Air Defense Derivation", and our other products. wink

                Well, what are you? Malts knows that they have no analogues in the world. However, the bourgeoisie somehow manage without them. With other complexes.
                1. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat 31 January 2021 06: 50
                  +1
                  They are bypassed. Antediluvian "patriots", which in terms of characteristics do not even reach the early S-300 and MANPADS. They do not have short-range air defense systems. There was not enough brains to create. Now they will try to figure out how to make something like the "Shell". And considering how you are only interested in money, I advise you to compare the cost and effectiveness of the Pantsir and Patriot missiles at short ranges. You are so proud of the UAV, but here it turned out that the "Patriot" is ineffective against them, and 1 missile is more expensive than a dozen UAVs, and you need to launch two at a time. At the same time, the "Shell" perfectly knocks down such targets. More efficient, reliable and cheaper laughing
                  So do not pass off need as valor.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 January 2021 10: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    They are bypassed. Antediluvian "patriots", which in terms of characteristics do not even reach the early S-300 and MANPADS. They do not have short-range air defense systems.

                    The patriots have positive combat experience, but the S-300, which failed to shoot down one target, proved itself to be excellent in Karabakh by shooting down a drone. The same fate befell the TOR who has no channels in the world. I’ll keep quiet about the Armor. I'll spare your nerves.

                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    There was not enough brains to create. Now they will try to figure out how to make something like the "Shell".

                    What for? They already have enough targets. In extreme cases, they can hunt for those who have no analogues in the world of Armor on the BV, as the Turks and Zionists do.

                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    And considering how you are only interested in money, I advise you to compare the cost and efficiency at short ranges of the Pantsir and Patriot missiles.

                    Vashcheto are complexes for different purposes. Why compare their cost, especially since the shell usually acts as a target.




                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    "You are so proud of the UAVs, but here it turned out that the" Patriot "is ineffective against them, and 1 missile is more expensive than a dozen UAVs, and you need to launch 2 each.

                    The price of a missile must be compared not with the cost of the threat, but with the cost of damage that this threat can bring, the CEP.
                    And the Patriot is not designed to intercept drones smaller than a mule.

                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    At the same time, "Shell" perfectly knocks down such targets.

                    Undoubtedly. We see this in the video above. He perfectly knocks those goals ... with himself. fellow

                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    More efficient, reliable and cheaper

                    Where is "more effective"? laughing
                    1. Reserve buildbat
                      Reserve buildbat 31 January 2021 11: 56
                      +1
                      Did it ever occur to you that the effectiveness of a technique VERY strongly depends on the qualifications of the staff? The problem with the destroyed "Shells" is that they were in the hands of slobs. And the "Patriot" has been screwing up steadily for 30 years.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 31 January 2021 22: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Stroibat stock
                        Did it ever occur to you that the effectiveness of the technique is VERY strongly dependent on the qualifications of the staff?

                        Yes Yes Yes. This is if the technique requires geniuses at the consoles.

                        Quote: Stroibat stock
                        The problem with the destroyed "Shells" is that they were in the hands of slobs.

                        That is, you still cannot train the operators to properly use the equipment that does not have tax in the world? Do they successfully graduate from your school, and then turn out to be laymen?

                        Quote: Stroibat stock
                        And the "Patriot" has been screwing up steadily for 30 years.

                        And also steadily intercepts targets in battle. What did the S-300 intercept besides the drone itself?
        3. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 30 January 2021 13: 51
          +5
          Professor, you better worry about your magic Spike. Out of 19 users, I counted three countries that can easily give us money for money. Or it's not that.
          1. Professor
            Professor 30 January 2021 13: 56
            -6
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Professor, you better worry about your magic Spike. Out of 19 users, I counted three countries that can easily give us money for money. Or it's not that.

            Guys, we will sell it to you directly and the staff will train you. And we will sell without the letter "E". Original. You just shove your pride far away and make a request. We will sell like drones sometime. And you will have a 3rd generation PRTK.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 30 January 2021 14: 03
              +2
              It's more interesting to crap, the process itself is intriguing, but extra stars on shoulder straps will not interfere.
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          2. donavi49
            donavi49 30 January 2021 14: 30
            +6
            Well Spike isn't new anymore. And why be so perverted ??? You can directly contact and buy. A complete batch. Not 3 pieces to study. But it is possible to buy even with a license and some technologies wink ... The problem is that there will be noise at the level of Ivek (which the guys in the topic knock out by hook or by crook for a unit on a business trip in the same Syria) and you can fly off the chair.

            Moreover. If you wish, you can even buy the Hero line and immediately fly into the head car of the main trend of weapons of the 20s. When even an infantry squad has its own personal loitering ammunition for 40 minutes of flight with an electric motor.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 30 January 2021 15: 16
              0
              Traders say you can take swass! The Russians have a saying: In a neighbor's garden, apples are always sweeter than in their own. So at night we will take them. In childhood, I took out the neighboring gardens, and when I grew up they went behind the fence with a trawl to catch fish. Even the Norwegian zone was cleaned. It will be cheaper to remove . For money and dumkopf will buy.
            2. Professor
              Professor 30 January 2021 18: 17
              +1
              Quote: donavi49
              Well Spike isn't new anymore.

              It depends on what Spike is. ER2 is new.


              Quote: donavi49
              You can directly contact and buy. A complete batch. Not 3 pieces to study. But it's realistic to buy even with a license and a part of technologies

              Seriously, they won't sell it now. Before we would have established a full-fledged production for you.

              Quote: donavi49
              Moreover. If you wish, you can even buy the Hero line and immediately fly into the head car of the main trend of weapons of the 20s. When even an infantry squad has its own personal loitering ammunition for 40 minutes of flight with an electric motor.

              Do not sell.
              1. KCA
                KCA 31 January 2021 08: 38
                0
                Nice, but only in a real battle, and not when destroying a single target of terrorists or saboteurs, the grenade launcher squad of a motorized rifle company, armed with an RPG-7 and a pair of AGS-17, costing one Spike missile in a compartment, will inflict damage on the enemy by an order of magnitude, or even two more, and then there are hand-held rocket throwers ...
                1. Professor
                  Professor 31 January 2021 10: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: KCA
                  Nice, but only in a real battle, and not when destroying a single target of terrorists or saboteurs, the grenade launcher squad of a motorized rifle company, armed with an RPG-7 and a pair of AGS-17, costing one Spike missile in a compartment, will inflict damage on the enemy by an order of magnitude, or even two more, and then there are hand-held rocket throwers ...

                  Is not a fact. Spike hits Boska 30 km away. What RPG?
                  There are Azerbaijanis, in a real battle, Spike LR:
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 31 January 2021 11: 55
                    0
                    At 30 km, in the presence of GPS guidance, the data on which may simply not be given out by friends from the United States, and someone can send a GPS signal to distant benny, passing by Borovitsky Hill, the navigator shows the location in Sheremetyevo, well, it was like this before, now where I can not say for sure, maybe the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug will show, or even Washington or Jerusalem at all, they are Russian hackers, they even influence the elections in the US, what can we say about GPS ...
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 31 January 2021 22: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: KCA
                      At 30 km, in the presence of GPS guidance, the data on which may simply not be given out by friends from the United States, and someone can send a GPS signal to distant benny, passing by Borovitsky Hill, the navigator shows the location in Sheremetyevo, well, it was like this before, now where I can not say for sure, maybe the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug will show, or even Washington or Jerusalem at all, they are Russian hackers, they even influence the elections in the US, what can we say about GPS ...

                      Spike by GPS? And you are a joker, however. wassat
                      1. KCA
                        KCA 1 February 2021 07: 07
                        0
                        Something I do not see on Spike radars or OLS, how are they aiming at 30 km? By the will of Allah or Judah? On the last mile of the RGSN, and the first 20?
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 1 February 2021 07: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: KCA
                        Something I do not see on Spike radars or OLS, how are they aiming at 30 km? By the will of Allah or Judah? On the last mile of the RGSN, and the first 20?

                        Why do you advertise your ignorance?
                        The spike is induced by the will of Allah or Judah (both with a capital letter. By the way, the name Yuda is still in use and there is a high probability that the operator's name is Yuda). For guidance, an electro-optical seeker and a radio communication channel are used. So where is the GPS? wassat

                        Watching Spike's combat use:
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 30 January 2021 13: 51
      +5
      Well done Indians saved Uralmash

      Yes? And the OAE-Schnicks rescued the "Shell". He was actually brought to mind for them, and the Russian army bought it only after that. Almost like with the T-90 and the Indians.
      So when was it in the last century?

      And the shell is the weapon of the last century. And in the latest version, the element base has been updated and the characteristics have been improved, but the principles of operation have not been changed significantly.

      And what about the fact that they could study it in the OAU - well, they could, but with significant restrictions.
  6. BARKAS
    BARKAS 30 January 2021 13: 37
    +2
    A familiar specialist in rocket armament for helicopters, after leaving the army, worked under a contract in India, claims that the export version is very different for the worse.
  7. ccsr
    ccsr 30 January 2021 13: 54
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    The customer is supplied with the equipment he orders.

    No need to lie, "professor" - even the technical description is being tested by censors. So the buyers' wishlist is not a golden key that opens a magic door, even in America. Why don't you order ballistic missiles in the United States with a range of 5 km or more to spit on the entire Arab world?
    Quote: Professor
    It is not uncommon for foreigners to get better equipment than the one that goes to the Russian Federation.

    Calm down, verbiage - you have no idea what and in what form it is allowed to supply our military-industrial complex.
    Quote: Professor
    So, for example, it was with the T-90 tanks for India.

    The T-90 was in the former republics of the USSR - in Ukraine, for example. What secrets can there be from the Americans, if they have all the top recruited and everything that could have been leaked to them?
    And what an exclusive could be made for India - lie something believable so that you are not laughed at.
  8. bobba94
    bobba94 30 January 2021 17: 47
    0
    As I imagined the T-90 tanks of the Indian Armed Forces, which passed in slender columns all these Himalayas, Tibets, Pamirs and other mountain ranges and invading Transbaikalia with shock wedges, I immediately gave the professor a like
  • prior
    prior 30 January 2021 13: 05
    +5
    Well, they took out our "Shell".
    And what will they find there, American-made microcircuits ?!
    1. KCA
      KCA 31 January 2021 10: 24
      0
      The times when in the USSR they cut and scanned the i4004 with a laser are long gone, microcircuits have become millions of times more complex, even those that are considered "backward" by us can only be recreated, and even to understand algorithms and mathematics is completely possible, but very long and expensive and during this time, all the logic in the weapon will change 5 times, the Elbruses, which they rely on for protected computers, are made in Taiwan, the Americans have 100% films, but to understand the structure of the processor is oops, to build something spy into it means completely develop the processor again, at least 5-10 years, during this time films from Elbrus with 128 cores will go to Taiwan, and start over
  • Taga
    Taga 30 January 2021 13: 08
    0
    It's a shame that something like this happened! am
  • voronkov
    voronkov 30 January 2021 13: 08
    +2
    When the main processor is opened, they will see Russian words of three letters there ..)))) They will not reveal anything there! And then it can also bang salt in the eyes ..
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 30 January 2021 13: 21
    -1
    All the same, there will not be enough brains to copy, those who were dragged from the post-union in the 90s are already ancient old people and do not work.
  • Pilyulkin
    Pilyulkin 30 January 2021 13: 27
    0
    when they open it, they still don't understand how everything works. Everything seems to be simple, three kopecks. Will not help! there is a manual setting!
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 30 January 2021 13: 28
    +3
    "... The Times recently reported that in July 2020, American special services removed the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft system from Libya"..."- We walked around for half a year, not knowing how to approach ... Oh, how Zadornov was right in relation to the Americans.
  • venik
    venik 30 January 2021 13: 43
    +1
    The key word is:
    "....Captured by the Americans in Libya.... "
    =======
    The question immediately arises: What are the Americans doing in Libya ??? what
    They declare that, as it were, "not in business" (that is, they no, and there "do not interfere") ....
    But in fact ... it turns out very active filthy pens stuffed there ...

    am angry
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 January 2021 13: 55
    +1
    Who will correct the old man, who is not seen in the photo of guns on the Shell! In the UAE, what configuration was supplied?
  • Graz
    Graz 30 January 2021 13: 58
    0
    As I understand it, they have no such class of air defense products, and they sharply needed something similar, it is clear that they had studied something in the UAE before, but now they can analyze and look at it more thoughtfully
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 January 2021 14: 07
    0
    A simple statement of facts ... The armament of the RF Armed Forces is zur 57E6 ... zur 57E6E is being exported ... (Fedot, but not that one!) Further, for the Russian Armed Forces there are zurs with other designations ... for example, zur 95Ya6. ... That is, the Zuras most likely have different command control radio ranges ... hence the radio command control equipment is different! But still, "getting into the wrong hands of the product" is a very unpleasant fact! (you can make radio control for different bands ... different signal coding ... but how to create a different radar, which is the main "component" of the complex? "Hide" algorithms for detuning from radio interference? ... Even the determination of radio frequencies of control in captured zoras allows, at least "guess" that they are not in the zuras in service with the RF Armed Forces!)
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 30 January 2021 14: 19
    -6
    It seems to me that the software of this complex is not for amers. They will be thinking for at least twenty years, even on high-speed computers. And during this time Russia will go very far ahead. Yes, and ours foresaw that any equipment supplied abroad, sooner or later will be in the hands of a potential enemy.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 30 January 2021 14: 35
      +2
      Quote: Ash Poseidon
      It seems to me that the software of this complex is not for amers. They will think at least twenty years, even on high-speed computers.

      How, and why, let me be curious, did you make such conclusions?
    2. prior
      prior 30 January 2021 15: 48
      +3
      Algorithm - "bang with a plop on a somersault and, kady chvaknet, bounce off further, dive in with rags and do not shine" they can’t translate to BASIC or any other language ... lol
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 30 January 2021 16: 20
        +1
        good Rzhu, I can't, nevertheless the Russian language is very rich in the expression of a person's thoughts. good laughing lol
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 30 January 2021 14: 33
    -1
    Probably in the 80s there was a film where our sabotage group did everything to prevent the sample of "Katyusha" from getting to the Nazis. Guide to action.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 30 January 2021 16: 17
      0
      Well, why was it, yesterday it was only shown and today it will be in my opinion, but I don’t remember which program.
    2. paco.soto
      paco.soto 31 January 2021 04: 18
      +1
      Dimy4
      Yesterday, 14: 33
      -1
      Probably in the 80s there was a film where our sabotage group did everything to prevent the sample of "Katyusha" from getting to the Nazis. Guide to action.
      Reply © ©

      https://topwar.ru/76053-eto-bylo-v-mcenske-v-1941-godu.html?_gl=1*zdzedc*_ga*ekhJd1ZROUhGNWdoUTR3WnE1aWNRdmxOcTlka0JTTU8ycjE4SG5heXBIT3R6V3J0VFo5ZHRuVU5MRGU5RXYxbg..#comments
      Here is an article about Katyushas who fell into the hands of the Wehrmacht.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 31 January 2021 06: 41
        +1
        I read it, thanks. hi
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 January 2021 14: 37
    +1
    The Carapace is supposed to be disassembled


    In vain they are. Even at the factory, after disassembly, it is not always possible to assemble the same "Shell". And here people are generally inexperienced. Assembly with a sledgehammer and a file has never been done.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 30 January 2021 15: 29
      +1
      When they disassemble it, you need to throw in extra gears and nuts. Level 80 trolling. Sometimes I did it when I was young, and then I had to run around the ship for a long time from the mechanic. laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 January 2021 14: 38
    +2
    The reason for the abduction of the complex is called the prevention of a possible fall of the air defense missile system into the hands of smugglers of weapons and its use to destroy civilian aircraft.

    So they are bullshitting .... why? Everything is clear and there is nothing special about it.
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 January 2021 18: 18
      +2
      Someone is casting a shadow over the fence and the meaning of these actions is not clear ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 January 2021 18: 51
        +1
        Most likely for their followers / minions inspired ... do not upset, do not bury their hopes for the most, very striped striped!
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 January 2021 18: 53
          +1
          Well, yes, they can do everything, they can do everything and no one decree ... familiar.
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 30 January 2021 14: 41
    -1
    And he cannot suffer any kind of wreck over the Atlantic? ... In the style "from inevitable accidents at sea" ...
  • Coconut
    Coconut 30 January 2021 14: 54
    -2
    mattresses have become like the Chinese ... everyone is dragged into the house and then they will make the FIRST IN THE WORLD ... air defense ..)))))
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 30 January 2021 14: 55
    +1
    Let them carry, here is the sadness when they learn nothing new.
    Wasted if not a lot of money, but the very fact that they accomplished such a feat is certainly worth a lot. I give them a secret vice - machine tools can drive, let them buy and examine until diarrhea.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 January 2021 16: 15
    0
    Hey, clowns are exceptional, why do you need a device from a country with an economy torn to shreds (hello to Abamka Saraevich)? No, the mind is not enough to create your own, we decided to go along the Chinese path, lick it off, and then beat yourself in the chest with a heel, how exceptional you are. Wahlaks unfinished.
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 30 January 2021 19: 24
      -2
      decided to go along the Chinese path, lick it off, and then beat his chest with his heel

      Lick what? The size of the world's largest chip? Or the design of an internal combustion engine of a tractor? Or the composition of the brake fluid, which, it turns out, can be distilled and drunk?
      If you ask Google "What products were created in the USSR from the American", then a Tu-4 bomber, an exact copy of the B-29, will immediately jump out.
      “... was in service with the DA of the USSR Air Force from 1949 to the early 1960s. The aircraft is a reverse engineering copy of the American B-29 bomber. ”
      And also in the USSR, blast furnaces, escalators / elevators for the subway, tractors and much, much more were “developed” by the “reverse engineering” method ... That's where the inch sizes came from ... can we (or can we?) ...
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 30 January 2021 16: 18
    0
    Why Kidnapped ?! War trophy! Successful special operation! Everyone does it!
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 30 January 2021 16: 46
    +1
    How beautiful it sounds, kidnapped,. And not long ago they poured slop in all the media. Looks like the Shell is still good.
  • eklmn
    eklmn 30 January 2021 16: 51
    0
    I don't understand why the word “stolen” is used in the article.
    “Kidnapped” from whom? The UAE bought the complex from Russia and handed it over to Haftar. When Haftar retreated and left the complex unattended, he ended up in the hands of troops loyal to the Libyan government. These detachments could put the complex on lighters or hand it over as ferrous metal for scrap. But the Turks came and towed him to their base. And they told amers about it. The Americans came and towed to their base, and from there by plane to Europe. And all this without a single shot and in the daytime under the sun. Where is the "abduction" here? Hello?
  • cniza
    cniza 30 January 2021 18: 18
    +1
    According to the newspaper, the anti-aircraft complex will be relocated from the American Ramstein airbase in Germany to the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, where the US National Aerospace Intelligence Center is located, specializing, among other things, in studying samples of foreign military equipment.


    No logic and sense, it looks like a provocative stuffing, why?
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 30 January 2021 19: 05
      0
      This is not a stuffing, it is an exact translation of what the Americans have done. But not a complete translation. They were transported for reengineering - disassembled to cogs and then assembled. Why would amers do this - I don't know, but most likely not in order to find out what the tractor's brake pads are made of.
      By the way - in the USSR this style of design, reengineering, was very popular, which is why the inch thread appeared.
  • Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 20: 19
    -1
    There is a question on the topic. The identification codes are their own - the alien has been around for a long time. I think that our export equipment will not shoot at us. Is it really impossible to make a self-liquidation system on this basis? No, not at the level - "they stole the complex, but it exploded (like" Katyusha ")", but at the level they stole the complex, but it doesn't work, a lot of hardware without software.
    Perhaps not?