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German "Schubert" and domestic "Sphere": comparison of helmets in terms of reliability

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Experiments with this or that weapons and the means of protection continue in their most different formats. Some are trying to figure out the limit of continuous firing of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, others are experimenting with what can happen to conventional small arms if you shoot underwater. It also happens that experiments are frankly unsafe.


One of the tests carried out is related to the mechanical load that such helmets as the German "Shubert" and the domestic "Sphere" can withstand under the influence of a bullet. These means of protection will be influenced by TT and Makarov pistols, AK-74 assault rifles of 5,45 mm caliber and AKM 7,62 mm caliber. Also, helmets are tested for their ability to withstand the impact of fragments from the rupture of some grenades, including the RGD-5.

All these experiments are carried out as part of one of the episodes on the YouTube channel "Large-caliber Trouble".

In the early 1980s, the Sphere helmet was developed, consisting of three parts, connected by lacing in a special case. Unlike many steel helmets, the protection area is increased.

After the shots, the damage that the helmets receive is demonstrated - for example, dents after pistol shots.

The full version of the testing of protective helmets made in Russia and Germany is in the story, which tells about the reliability level of which of the helmets is higher.

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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 30 January 2021 09: 07
    -3
    All these experiments are carried out as part of one of the episodes on the YouTube channel "Large-caliber Trouble".


    Where were they filmed? "Landscape" is painfully familiar ...

    Here, especially yes
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 30 January 2021 09: 14
      +2
      In Donbass, locals can definitely determine the place. The location was not disclosed.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 January 2021 09: 27
        +7
        Quote: Konnick
        The location was not disclosed.


        Quote: Konnick
        In Donbass, locals can definitely determine the place.



        In reality, we have the appearance of any "outsiders", and even more so "filmmakers", and even more such specific ones will be noticed in any way.

        But in order to determine from the video exactly where what We have such burnt waste heaps - a dime a dozen. The whole landscape is in them ...
        There is one in the Kiev region, adjacent to the base of the 1st artillery brigade "Kalmius"

        In "Kalmius", by the way, E.Basurin was once a political officer. Actually, he served in his profile (he graduated from the Donetsk Higher Military-Political School).
  2. Konnick
    Konnick 30 January 2021 09: 24
    -3
    By the way, when the Americans were going to make their own ASN, then when searching for the optimal shape, the computer gave out the shape of the good old shtalhelm hi
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 January 2021 09: 36
      +2
      Quote: Konnick
      By the way, when the Americans were going to make their own ASN, then when searching for the optimal shape, the computer gave out the shape of the good old shtalhelm


      They just had a computer on Chinese components yes



      The photo is a legacy of Sino-German military cooperation from 1911 to 1941.

      1. yehat2
        yehat2 1 February 2021 10: 34
        +1
        in China the Germans were able to train 7 infantry divisions based on their standards.
        And 3 of them were not badly trained at all and were staffed by the standards of WWI, and the 4 remaining ones could at least be called combat-ready. It was these divisions that in fact did not allow the Japanese to end the war very quickly, because all the others were, to put it mildly, not at all very good.
        But the use by Japan of tanks (mainly chi ha), aviation and other equipment still allowed the Chinese to be rolled out as desired. The only thing that hindered the Japanese was that it was simply unrealistic to capture all of China with an army of XNUMX million.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 1 February 2021 13: 06
          -1
          Quote: yehat2
          But the use by Japan of tanks (mainly chi ha), aviation and other equipment still allowed the Chinese to be rolled out as desired.

          Not always and not in all cases. When the Japanese were opposed by Soviet internationalists and volunteers from other countries (among whom there were also pilots and tankmen and artillerymen), they stalled ...
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 1 February 2021 13: 33
            +1
            not particularly skidding.
            The Japanese usually operated with a large excess in height and simply beat the Chinese and their assistants, with the exception of only a few local counterstrikes, such as the bombing of an airfield on Formosa. And with the advent of zero, in general, all resistance in the air was crushed. And there were very few tanks and other help.
    2. Alex_You
      Alex_You 31 January 2021 20: 25
      +1
      They also have a helmet from the PASGT kit, a kevlar copy of a stahlhelm.
  3. Cowbra
    Cowbra 30 January 2021 09: 30
    -2
    They love to make fun of our names ... Shoes there ... A tray ... But the Schubert helmet is a scribe ... I mean, a brass band always plays in a cuckoo?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 January 2021 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: Cowbra
      But Schubert's helmet is a scribe ... I mean, does a brass band always play in a cuckoo?

      1. Vladimir Vitalin
        Vladimir Vitalin 4 March 2021 00: 57
        0
        Dear - the brand of helmets "SHUBERT" is one of the top-ranked in the world. Michael Schumacher rode in their helmet in Formula -1, so they know exactly what helmets should be, but this applies to sports and ordinary models. But for the first time I heard about what he was doing and about military ammunition.
    2. Ben Gunn
      Ben Gunn 30 January 2021 10: 02
      +4
      I mean, a surname that is quite popular in Germany. The founder of the company is Fritz Schubert.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 30 January 2021 10: 26
        0
        And so it is clear that Fritz! Could have been Joseph Haydn! Deutschland-Deutschland Huber alle ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 January 2021 10: 33
          +1
          Quote: 113262
          And so it is clear that Fritz! Could have been Joseph Haydn! Deutschland-Deutschland Huber alle ...

          Well, or Hoffmann ... von Fallersleben, since such "music" has gone ...
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 30 January 2021 11: 39
            0
            Quote: Insurgent
            Well, or Hoffmann ... von Fallersleben, since such "music" has gone ...

            Bach the same nothing ...
          2. 113262a
            113262a 30 January 2021 12: 22
            -2
            If only not Horst Wessel !. Although-higher and higher, and higher ...)))
  4. Ben Gunn
    Ben Gunn 30 January 2021 09: 51
    +5
    The very idea of ​​comparing a titanium helmet for special forces and a Kevlar combined-arms helmet, and even an expired one, is, to put it mildly, wrong.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 January 2021 10: 07
      +6
      Quote: Ben Gunn
      The very idea of ​​comparing a titanium helmet for special forces and a Kevlar combined arms

      I would generally classify "Sphere" as a "police helmet" ...

      He "sits" too tightly on his head, which is why it is still better to hit him with a club than a bullet.

      Titanium in it, of course, is strong (later steel plates), no match, for example, steel in SSh-68, but you still cannot envy the head and neck in it, when a bullet or a relatively large fragment hits at sufficiently high speeds.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 30 January 2021 15: 40
        +5
        - And it was not used in the Army ... Initially, it was for the Internal Troops.
      2. midivan
        midivan 30 January 2021 18: 42
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent

        He "sits" too tightly on his head, which is why it is still better to hit him with a club than a bullet.

        But it is warm in winter)) And so, they were not buttoned up and worn with their backs to the front, in which case there was more protection of the forehead, when a bullet hit the forehead, it flew off (theoretically, it was not possible to see), also if it was buttoned, then sneaking up from the rear, if you take the leading edge, you can easily break the neck ... I tried to argue with the officer explaining this, but he proved practically, with two punches to the forehead (sphere), the first time buttoned, the second deployed and not buttoned, the difference was like palms ...))
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 31 January 2021 01: 26
          0
          In my opinion, the fact that it consists of 3 parts is a minus:
          when a bullet hits any of the sidewalls, the sidewall will move towards the head. If the helmet were one-piece, the displacement of the sidewall would be much less, since in this case it would displace the entire helmet, which is approximately three times heavier.
    2. Torins
      Torins 3 February 2021 12: 40
      0
      In the video, the steel version.
    3. alexey88
      alexey88 4 February 2021 12: 30
      0
      What is the shelf life of the helmet? and what happens to him after it expires?
  5. Konnick
    Konnick 30 January 2021 10: 02
    +3
    Quote: Ben Gunn
    The very idea of ​​comparing a titanium helmet for special forces and a Kevlar combined-arms helmet, and even an expired one, is, to put it mildly, wrong.

    Not titanium, but steel. Watch the video.
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 30 January 2021 10: 12
      0
      In the beginning, it's strange - as far as I remember - titanium is very viscous, not fragile ...
      It becomes embrittled due to technology violations, nitrogen ingress, etc.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 30 January 2021 10: 34
      +20
      Quote: Konnick
      Not titanium, but steel. Watch the video.

      MOSCOW, November 10. / TASS /. The management of the Scientific and Production Association of Spetsmaterialy was suspected of supplying more than 40 thousand Chinese protective helmets to the NPO "Special Technics and Communications" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia under the guise of their own design. As a law enforcement source told TASS on Tuesday, the damage amounted to 48 million rubles.

      "The investigation believes that the management of NPO Spetsmaterialov JSC provided the departmental commission of the Main Directorate of NPO STiS of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with a sample of the Kolpak-1" K-1SB "protective helmet with technical and design documentation for it, posing as its own development. there was no necessary equipment to produce such helmets, "the source said.

      The departmental commission of the STiS of the Ministry of Internal Affairs recommended this helmet model for adoption by the internal affairs bodies. "As a result, from August 2017 to February 2020, NPO Spetsmaterialov purchased 40 FBK-750 protective helmets in China, worth at least 208 rubles each, and delivered them to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which does not meet the conditions of the state contract. Thus, damage to the budget RF amounted to 1 million rubles ", - said the source of the agency. A criminal case was initiated on fraud and negligence.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 30 January 2021 10: 45
        +2
        Only the tags were changed bully There were such cases with the uniform, they sewed "made in Russia" onto the Chinese shmatier.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 30 January 2021 11: 33
          +17
          Quote: Konnick
          Only the tags were changed

          90% of such goods are made in the country.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 January 2021 10: 46
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        The investigation believes that the management of NPO Spetsmaterialov JSC provided the departmental commission of the Main Directorate of NPO STiS of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with a sample of the Kolpak-1 protective helmet of the K-1SB model with technical and design documentation for it, posing as our own development.

        So this is a helmet from 2010.
        In them our "Berkut" burned on the Maidan ...






        Model K-1SB (small)
        Special class protection area
        according to GOST 50744 not less than 14,5 dm2. Weight no more than 1,8 kg.






        Model K-1SB (large)
        Special class protection area
        according to GOST 50744 not less than 17,5 dm2. Weight no more than 1,9 kg.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 30 January 2021 11: 38
          +16
          Quote: Insurgent
          So this is a helmet from 2010.
          In them our "Berkut" burned on the Maidan ...

          Moscow cops say they have German-made helmets and their visors are sweating a lot
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 11: 43
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            sweat visor

            We must spit and grind.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 30 January 2021 11: 45
              +20
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              We must spit and grind.

              laughing I remember in gas masks "windows" rubbed with soap wassat drinks
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 11: 49
                +2
                Quote: Stroporez
                I remember in gas masks "windows" rubbed with soap

                Do not give out military secrets. I still smear my glasses with soap when I work with a grinder.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 30 January 2021 11: 54
                  +11
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Do not give out military secrets.

                2. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 31 January 2021 01: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I still smear my glasses with soap,

                  It seems that raw potatoes are also practiced (diving masks, the same problem)
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 05: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    It seems that raw potatoes are also practiced

                    I don’t know .... And in general, why translate products, if oil-based is full of all sorts of rubbish, such as shampoo or there are fairies. It also helps, they say, but personally I both smeared with soap and smeared.
                3. businessv
                  businessv 31 January 2021 21: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I still smear my glasses with soap when I work with a grinder.
                  Try glycerin helps.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 22: 32
                    -1
                    Quote: businessv
                    Try glycerin helps.

                    What for? Soap is quite reliable, glasses do not sweat for three hours.
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 1 February 2021 12: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Soap is quite reliable, glasses do not sweat for three hours.
                      And visibility is not disturbed? Glycerin is transparent, for these reasons. smile
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 13: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: businessv
                        And visibility is not disturbed?

                        Not. You make strips with a soft remnant, and then wipe dry with a clean cloth. An almost invisible film remains.
                      2. businessv
                        businessv 1 February 2021 22: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        An almost invisible film remains.
                        good I'll try! smile
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 1 February 2021 13: 34
        +1
        anti-vamp collar)))
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  • Konnick
    Konnick 30 January 2021 11: 44
    +3
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Stroporez
    sweat visor

    We must spit and grind.

    Outside wassat
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 30 January 2021 11: 55
      +17
      Quote: Konnick
      Outside

      I catch myself on this thought repeat
  • bar
    bar 30 January 2021 13: 25
    0
    A video shot for youngsters with an intrusive advertisement of unsurpassed German quality. Which, however, breaks out of the TT, unlike the domestic piece of iron, but still many times steeper. Well, why is this on VO?
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 30 January 2021 21: 00
      +3
      Some kind of unconventional logic you have. Leaky sieve, but still much cooler. So this is an advertisement for fuckers. Personally, I somehow did not notice that the sieve is better, let alone its advertising.
    2. Torins
      Torins 3 February 2021 12: 47
      0
      You saw only what you wanted to see)) Schubert, on the contrary, crap))
      1. bar
        bar 3 February 2021 13: 11
        0
        I just didn't have the strength to watch to the end sad
        1. Torins
          Torins 3 February 2021 15: 40
          0
          It's a pity the man who hosts the channel is worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 30 January 2021 15: 34
    +4
    - Helmet Schubert M88 would be more correct to compare with our 6B7, and they are approximately the same in characteristics:
    -6B7 was tested with a simulator of a fragment weighing 1.05g. - non-penetration speed 650m / s.
    - The M88 was tested with a 1.1 g fragment simulator - no penetration rate of 6890 m / s.
    - But our helmet is lighter: 1.2kg. against 1.4kg.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 30 January 2021 16: 02
      +4
      - Attention! Ochepyatka: 680 m / s winked
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 1 February 2021 07: 05
    0
    Schulbert - a classic from comrade Ogurtsov drinks
  • alexey88
    alexey88 4 February 2021 12: 31
    0
    large-caliber commotion went out to the masses, well, I congratulate them))
  • va3610
    va3610 17 February 2021 14: 41
    +1
    The sphere has been removed from service, why remember about it.