German "Schubert" and domestic "Sphere": comparison of helmets in terms of reliability

Experiments with this or that weapons and the means of protection continue in their most different formats. Some are trying to figure out the limit of continuous firing of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, others are experimenting with what can happen to conventional small arms if you shoot underwater. It also happens that experiments are frankly unsafe.

One of the tests carried out is related to the mechanical load that such helmets as the German "Shubert" and the domestic "Sphere" can withstand under the influence of a bullet. These means of protection will be influenced by TT and Makarov pistols, AK-74 assault rifles of 5,45 mm caliber and AKM 7,62 mm caliber. Also, helmets are tested for their ability to withstand the impact of fragments from the rupture of some grenades, including the RGD-5.

All these experiments are carried out as part of one of the episodes on the YouTube channel "Large-caliber Trouble".

In the early 1980s, the Sphere helmet was developed, consisting of three parts, connected by lacing in a special case. Unlike many steel helmets, the protection area is increased.

After the shots, the damage that the helmets receive is demonstrated - for example, dents after pistol shots.

The full version of the testing of protective helmets made in Russia and Germany is in the story, which tells about the reliability level of which of the helmets is higher.

Comments

[Insurgent]

All these experiments are carried out as part of one of the episodes on the YouTube channel "Large-caliber Trouble".

Where were they filmed? "Landscape" is painfully familiar ...

Here, especially

[Konnick]

In Donbass, locals can definitely determine the place. The location was not disclosed.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Konnick

The location was not disclosed.

Quote: Konnick

In Donbass, locals can definitely determine the place.

In reality, we have the appearance of any "outsiders", and even more so "filmmakers", and even more such specific ones will be noticed in any way.

But in order to determine from the video exactly where We have such burnt waste heaps - a dime a dozen. The whole landscape is in them ...
There is one in the Kiev region, adjacent to the base of the 1st artillery brigade "Kalmius"

In "Kalmius", by the way, E.Basurin was once a political officer. Actually, he served in his profile (he graduated from the Donetsk Higher Military-Political School).

[Konnick]

By the way, when the Americans were going to make their own ASN, then when searching for the optimal shape, the computer gave out the shape of the good old shtalhelm

[Insurgent]

Quote: Konnick

By the way, when the Americans were going to make their own ASN, then when searching for the optimal shape, the computer gave out the shape of the good old shtalhelm

They just had a computer on Chinese components

The photo is a legacy of Sino-German military cooperation from 1911 to 1941.

[yehat2]

in China the Germans were able to train 7 infantry divisions based on their standards.
And 3 of them were not badly trained at all and were staffed by the standards of WWI, and the 4 remaining ones could at least be called combat-ready. It was these divisions that in fact did not allow the Japanese to end the war very quickly, because all the others were, to put it mildly, not at all very good.
But the use by Japan of tanks (mainly chi ha), aviation and other equipment still allowed the Chinese to be rolled out as desired. The only thing that hindered the Japanese was that it was simply unrealistic to capture all of China with an army of XNUMX million.

[Insurgent]

Quote: yehat2

But the use by Japan of tanks (mainly chi ha), aviation and other equipment still allowed the Chinese to be rolled out as desired.

Not always and not in all cases. When the Japanese were opposed by Soviet internationalists and volunteers from other countries (among whom there were also pilots and tankmen and artillerymen), they stalled ...

[yehat2]

not particularly skidding.
The Japanese usually operated with a large excess in height and simply beat the Chinese and their assistants, with the exception of only a few local counterstrikes, such as the bombing of an airfield on Formosa. And with the advent of zero, in general, all resistance in the air was crushed. And there were very few tanks and other help.

[Alex_You]

They also have a helmet from the PASGT kit, a kevlar copy of a stahlhelm.

[Cowbra]

They love to make fun of our names ... Shoes there ... A tray ... But the Schubert helmet is a scribe ... I mean, a brass band always plays in a cuckoo?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Cowbra

But Schubert's helmet is a scribe ... I mean, does a brass band always play in a cuckoo?

[Vladimir Vitalin]

Dear - the brand of helmets "SHUBERT" is one of the top-ranked in the world. Michael Schumacher rode in their helmet in Formula -1, so they know exactly what helmets should be, but this applies to sports and ordinary models. But for the first time I heard about what he was doing and about military ammunition.

[bootlegger]

Hopefully not skiing, for the last time)

[Ben Gunn]

I mean, a surname that is quite popular in Germany. The founder of the company is Fritz Schubert.

[113262a]

And so it is clear that Fritz! Could have been Joseph Haydn! Deutschland-Deutschland Huber alle ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: 113262

And so it is clear that Fritz! Could have been Joseph Haydn! Deutschland-Deutschland Huber alle ...

Well, or Hoffmann ... von Fallersleben, since such "music" has gone ...

[mat-vey]

Quote: Insurgent

Well, or Hoffmann ... von Fallersleben, since such "music" has gone ...

Bach the same nothing ...

[113262a]

If only not Horst Wessel !. Although-higher and higher, and higher ...)))

[Ben Gunn]

The very idea of ​​comparing a titanium helmet for special forces and a Kevlar combined-arms helmet, and even an expired one, is, to put it mildly, wrong.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ben Gunn

The very idea of ​​comparing a titanium helmet for special forces and a Kevlar combined arms

I would generally classify "Sphere" as a "police helmet" ...

He "sits" too tightly on his head, which is why it is still better to hit him with a club than a bullet.

Titanium in it, of course, is strong (later steel plates), no match, for example, steel in SSh-68, but you still cannot envy the head and neck in it, when a bullet or a relatively large fragment hits at sufficiently high speeds.

[saygon66]

- And it was not used in the Army ... Initially, it was for the Internal Troops.

[midivan]

Quote: Insurgent

He "sits" too tightly on his head, which is why it is still better to hit him with a club than a bullet.

But it is warm in winter)) And so, they were not buttoned up and worn with their backs to the front, in which case there was more protection of the forehead, when a bullet hit the forehead, it flew off (theoretically, it was not possible to see), also if it was buttoned, then sneaking up from the rear, if you take the leading edge, you can easily break the neck ... I tried to argue with the officer explaining this, but he proved practically, with two punches to the forehead (sphere), the first time buttoned, the second deployed and not buttoned, the difference was like palms ...))

[Bad_gr]

In my opinion, the fact that it consists of 3 parts is a minus:
when a bullet hits any of the sidewalls, the sidewall will move towards the head. If the helmet were one-piece, the displacement of the sidewall would be much less, since in this case it would displace the entire helmet, which is approximately three times heavier.

[Torins]

In the video, the steel version.

[alexey88]

What is the shelf life of the helmet? and what happens to him after it expires?

[Konnick]

Quote: Ben Gunn

The very idea of ​​comparing a titanium helmet for special forces and a Kevlar combined-arms helmet, and even an expired one, is, to put it mildly, wrong.

Not titanium, but steel. Watch the video.

[nsm1]

In the beginning, it's strange - as far as I remember - titanium is very viscous, not fragile ...
It becomes embrittled due to technology violations, nitrogen ingress, etc.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Konnick

Not titanium, but steel. Watch the video.

MOSCOW, November 10. / TASS /. The management of the Scientific and Production Association of Spetsmaterialy was suspected of supplying more than 40 thousand Chinese protective helmets to the NPO "Special Technics and Communications" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia under the guise of their own design. As a law enforcement source told TASS on Tuesday, the damage amounted to 48 million rubles.

"The investigation believes that the management of NPO Spetsmaterialov JSC provided the departmental commission of the Main Directorate of NPO STiS of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with a sample of the Kolpak-1" K-1SB "protective helmet with technical and design documentation for it, posing as its own development. there was no necessary equipment to produce such helmets, "the source said.

The departmental commission of the STiS of the Ministry of Internal Affairs recommended this helmet model for adoption by the internal affairs bodies. "As a result, from August 2017 to February 2020, NPO Spetsmaterialov purchased 40 FBK-750 protective helmets in China, worth at least 208 rubles each, and delivered them to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which does not meet the conditions of the state contract. Thus, damage to the budget RF amounted to 1 million rubles ", - said the source of the agency. A criminal case was initiated on fraud and negligence.

[Konnick]

Only the tags were changed There were such cases with the uniform, they sewed "made in Russia" onto the Chinese shmatier.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Konnick

Only the tags were changed

90% of such goods are made in the country.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Stroporez

The investigation believes that the management of NPO Spetsmaterialov JSC provided the departmental commission of the Main Directorate of NPO STiS of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with a sample of the Kolpak-1 protective helmet of the K-1SB model with technical and design documentation for it, posing as our own development.

So this is a helmet from 2010.
In them our "Berkut" burned on the Maidan ...

Model K-1SB (small)
Special class protection area
according to GOST 50744 not less than 14,5 dm2. Weight no more than 1,8 kg.

Model K-1SB (large)
Special class protection area
according to GOST 50744 not less than 17,5 dm2. Weight no more than 1,9 kg.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Insurgent

So this is a helmet from 2010.
In them our "Berkut" burned on the Maidan ...

Moscow cops say they have German-made helmets and their visors are sweating a lot

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stroporez

sweat visor

We must spit and grind.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Mordvin 3

We must spit and grind.

I remember in gas masks "windows" rubbed with soap

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stroporez

I remember in gas masks "windows" rubbed with soap

Do not give out military secrets. I still smear my glasses with soap when I work with a grinder.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Do not give out military secrets.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I still smear my glasses with soap,

It seems that raw potatoes are also practiced (diving masks, the same problem)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bad_gr

It seems that raw potatoes are also practiced

I don’t know .... And in general, why translate products, if oil-based is full of all sorts of rubbish, such as shampoo or there are fairies. It also helps, they say, but personally I both smeared with soap and smeared.

[businessv]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I still smear my glasses with soap when I work with a grinder.

Try glycerin helps.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: businessv

Try glycerin helps.

What for? Soap is quite reliable, glasses do not sweat for three hours.

[businessv]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Soap is quite reliable, glasses do not sweat for three hours.

And visibility is not disturbed? Glycerin is transparent, for these reasons.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: businessv

And visibility is not disturbed?

Not. You make strips with a soft remnant, and then wipe dry with a clean cloth. An almost invisible film remains.

[businessv]

Quote: Mordvin 3

An almost invisible film remains.

I'll try!

[yehat2]

anti-vamp collar)))

[Konnick]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Stroporez

sweat visor

We must spit and grind.

Outside

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Konnick

Outside

I catch myself on this thought

[bar]

A video shot for youngsters with an intrusive advertisement of unsurpassed German quality. Which, however, breaks out of the TT, unlike the domestic piece of iron, but still many times steeper. Well, why is this on VO?

[Rusticolus]

Some kind of unconventional logic you have. Leaky sieve, but still much cooler. So this is an advertisement for fuckers. Personally, I somehow did not notice that the sieve is better, let alone its advertising.

[Torins]

You saw only what you wanted to see)) Schubert, on the contrary, crap))

[bar]

I just didn't have the strength to watch to the end

[Torins]

It's a pity the man who hosts the channel is worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.

[saygon66]

- Helmet Schubert M88 would be more correct to compare with our 6B7, and they are approximately the same in characteristics:
-6B7 was tested with a simulator of a fragment weighing 1.05g. - non-penetration speed 650m / s.
- The M88 was tested with a 1.1 g fragment simulator - no penetration rate of 6890 m / s.
- But our helmet is lighter: 1.2kg. against 1.4kg.

[saygon66]

- Attention! Ochepyatka: 680 m / s

[viktor_ui]

Schulbert - a classic from comrade Ogurtsov

[alexey88]

large-caliber commotion went out to the masses, well, I congratulate them))

[va3610]

The sphere has been removed from service, why remember about it.