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Anti-aircraft complex "Derivation-Air Defense" will receive "smart" shells

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Anti-aircraft complex "Derivation-Air Defense" will receive "smart" shells

Anti-aircraft artillery complex (ZAK) "Derivation-Air Defense" will receive new "smart" ammunition, tests of shells have already begun. This was reported by the press service of Uralvagonzavod (UVZ).


According to the report, along with the already adopted 57-mm ammunition, shots with multifunctional, armor-piercing sub-caliber and guided projectiles have been developed for the complex.

The 1K150 Derivation-Air Defense anti-aircraft artillery complex (ZAK), along with the previously adopted ammunition, will receive new rounds with multifunctional, armor-piercing sub-caliber and guided projectiles. Tests of the indicated shots are underway today.

- TASS cites an excerpt from the message.

The Derivation-Air Defense anti-aircraft artillery complex was created on the BMP-3 chassis and is equipped with a module with a 57-mm automatic cannon. In 2020, the complex entered the state testing stage. The deliveries to the troops are scheduled from 2022.

The complex is designed to combat aviation and cruise missiles, aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as with single MLRS shells, it is also possible to use it against ground and surface lightly armored targets. The complex includes a combat vehicle with a high ballistic cannon, a maintenance vehicle and a 9T260 transport and loading vehicle, which can quickly reload a combat vehicle right on the battlefield.

According to open data, the range of destruction of the gun - 6 km, height of destruction, - up to 4,5 km, rate of fire - 120 shots / min. The maximum speed of the targeted objects is 500 m / s. The optoelectronic detection and aiming system of the combat vehicle allows to carry out panoramic observation of the terrain on 360º, as well as to conduct a sector review.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 11
    -4
    If I'm not mistaken, a remote fuse for an anti-aircraft 57mm projectile from the times of Ochakov and the conquest of the Crimea ...
    But I'm not exactly sure.
    100mm - this one definitely has a remote fuse.
    I screwed about 100 of them with my own hands.
    I studied the S-60, but did not have to shoot from it.
    I happily forgot the details for 35 years ...
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 16
      +11
      Quote: Victor_B
      If I'm not mistaken, a remote fuse for an anti-aircraft 57mm projectile from the times of Ochakov and the conquest of the Crimea ...

      The creation of a modern electronic fuse and its platoon system, programmable upon departure from the barrel, is just great!
      For bourgeois and 30mm programmed ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 30 January 2021 09: 03
        -13%
        Quote: Victor_B
        For bourgeois and 30mm programmed ...

        So they started to use radio fuses on anti-aircraft guns since 1943? They started earlier - they went further ... well, the elementary base is at a height ... it looks like an unattainable height ...
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 30 January 2021 09: 06
          +3
          Quote: mat-vey
          radio fuses began to be used on anti-aircraft guns

          The radio fuse is a nail from the opposite wall!
          Provides detonation at a MINIMUM distance from the target (i.e. at the moment when the distance begins to increase).
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 30 January 2021 09: 08
            -2
            Well, nevertheless, the efficiency is higher than guessing over time.
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 30 January 2021 09: 12
              +4
              Quote: mat-vey
              Well, nevertheless, the efficiency is higher than guessing over time.

              So they are in one bottle!
              Remote it for obstruction fire.
              Explosion clouds in the air - that is it.
              Well, if it flies by, it will blow up the radio fuse.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 30 January 2021 09: 15
                0
                Quote: Victor_B
                So they are in one bottle!

                Well, by the time this is already something of a self-liquidator it turns out ... And the radio, no matter how it reacts to the target, is a rudiment, but already control.
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 30 January 2021 09: 17
                  0
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  but already management.

                  Just changing the phase of the reflected signal.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 30 January 2021 09: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Victor_B
                    Just changing the phase of the reflected signal.

                    What's just so "easy" to stuff into a shell?
                    1. Victor_B
                      Victor_B 30 January 2021 09: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      What's just so "easy" to stuff into a shell?

                      Well, in the forties, when the transistor was not yet invented, they shoved it in!
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 30 January 2021 09: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        Well, in the forties, when the transistor was not yet invented, they shoved it in!

                        And your rank is not a captain?) But the transistor had already been invented, but the practical implementation for industry was delayed, not without the participation of the war ..
                        In fuses, a lamp from a hearing aid was used - "... well, the elementary base is at a height ... it looks like an unattainable height ..."
                      2. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 30 January 2021 09: 30
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And your rank is not captain?

                        I'm Lieutenant!
                        Senior!
                        (I don’t remember whether the captain was given or not? Although the position at the training camp twice held the major. ZNSh division.)
                      3. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 30 January 2021 09: 32
                        +3
                        Well, if we are discussing it, it means “invented” ... And mass production was established.
          2. dgonni
            dgonni 30 January 2021 11: 21
            +2
            You are confusing a projectile with a radio fuse. And a projectile with programmable detonation.
            1. Andrey.AN
              Andrey.AN 30 January 2021 18: 52
              +1
              For these guns, programmable fuses are made.
          3. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 30 January 2021 18: 47
            0
            There is not a radio fuse, an IR port in the fuse, a laser is installed near the muzzle of the barrel, it hits obliquely on the inner wall of the barrel. Reflecting on the walls comes to the fuse, programs.
            1. dgonni
              dgonni 30 January 2021 19: 25
              +1
              There is a laser at the exit of the projectile. The West and the Americans, having broken their teeth about elementalism, have made it more difficult but more reliable in terms of programming. Unfortunately for Russia, they did 30mm correctly in reality. And the perspective is 20mm!
              57mm Derivation is nonsense in the realities of laser programming
              But such is the seed of our microelectronics and iron.
              Ershcats. Unfortunately.
              1. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 30 January 2021 19: 27
                -1
                Well, they are catching up, we meet.
              2. Thomas N.
                Thomas N. 31 January 2021 20: 45
                0
                Quote: dgonni
                30mm in reality. And the perspective is 20mm!

                No perspective for 20mm. The 20-mm cannon only remained on the Marder BMP.
          4. Thomas N.
            Thomas N. 31 January 2021 20: 41
            0
            Quote: Victor_B
            Remote it for obstruction fire.
            Explosion clouds in the air - that is it.

            Distance for obstruction fire is not related to the topic and is no longer used, it's not 100 mm KS-19 smile
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 30 January 2021 10: 54
        +2
        Quote: Victor_B
        Provides detonation at a MINIMUM distance from the target (i.e. at the moment when the distance begins to increase).

        Niht ferstein! Is it easier? For example, I always believed that a "non-contact" projectile explodes when the fuse "detects" the distance set in the device ... that is, the most optimal distance to hit the target ...
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 30 January 2021 11: 05
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Niht ferstein! Is it easier? For example, I always believed that a "non-contact" projectile explodes when the fuse "detects" the distance set in the device ... that is, the most optimal distance to hit the target ...

          It was flying by, at the time of the beginning of the removal.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 30 January 2021 11: 24
            +2
            Quote: Victor_B
            It was flying by, at the time of the beginning of the removal.

            It was flying by ...... this is true, but the target has dimensions "in length" ... if the target and the projectile are on "counter-parallel" courses, then the projectile explodes at a "programmed" distance without any distance "opposite the target" (!), because in this position, optimal target hitting is ensured!
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 30 January 2021 11: 27
              0
              So I already wrote about "two in one"!
              It will explode at a given distance, and if the target is near CLOSER (lower) than it was set, it will be detonated earlier.
              1. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 30 January 2021 18: 55
                0
                It all depends on the automatic control system. But the error even for a transonic target is centimeters.
    2. nsm1
      nsm1 30 January 2021 09: 35
      -1
      Quote: mat-vey
      elementary base
      elemental base
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 30 January 2021 09: 40
        +3
        Quote: nsm1
        element base

        I got a little scruffy ... only this does not change the essence - industry and science are needed for a war, and the more developed they are, the more chances to emerge victorious ... It was not for nothing that the USSR forced industrialization so much .. as life has shown - not in vain.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 January 2021 10: 38
      +1
      Quote: mat-vey

      So they have started to use radio fuses on antiaircraft guns since 1943?

      This is true ... but in the USSR, the Americans' stybrine radio fuses appeared, somewhere, in 1944 ... At about the same time, the tests of the fuses began ... The radio fuses entered service, in my opinion, at the end of 1945 or , most likely, after the 45th year ...
      In England, at the end of WW2, they were shot down by "non-contact" anti-aircraft missiles KR FAU-1. 90-mm anti-aircraft shells were used ... I don't remember about other calibers, but "in theory" they should be used in new 94-mm shells .. In Germany, they managed to create a non-contact radio fuse for zur and, even, produce a certain amount ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 30 January 2021 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        .but also in the USSR, the Americans have stibrine radio fuses

        So here at least a chibri at least pizan, if not from anything, then you can't make ... And only the Bolsheviks began to create the electric lamp industry ... night vision devices, radars, radio control systems were invented, tested, and there is nothing to do ..
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 30 January 2021 11: 14
          +2
          Quote: mat-vey
          night vision devices, radars, radio control systems were invented, tested, and there is nothing to do ..

          At the end of the war, in the USSR, they created either a "special design bureau", or an "integral" research institute for electronics (radio electronics) with its own production base ...! The first batch of radar stations was produced before the war ... they were also produced during the war ...
          The first digital computers appeared in the USSR in 1951 ... One should not assume that the radio industry in the USSR was in its "embryonic" state!
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 30 January 2021 11: 17
            +1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Do not assume that in the USSR the radio industry was in an "embryonic" state!

            And who is counting? Only the needs significantly exceeded the possibilities - you can't do everything right away, especially from scratch.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 30 January 2021 11: 27
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              Only the needs significantly exceeded the possibilities - you can't do everything right away, especially from scratch.

              I won't argue here ...
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 30 January 2021 11: 32
                +2
                Well, this problem concerned almost everything ... The cumulative and sub-caliber shells simply had nothing to make of, and not because of "intellectual backwardness" ..
    4. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: mat-vey
      For bourgeois and 30mm programmed ...

      So they, it seems, have started using radio fuses on antiaircraft guns since 1943?

      In 1943, radio fuses were primitive, in fact the simplest oscillatory circuit from a high school physics textbook, reacted to any "piece of iron" and had zero noise immunity. They worked really at a minimum distance. Although, in fact, the optimal point of detonation before approaching the target, tk. the fragments are scattered not strictly sideways, but forward-sideways, along a cone.
      The modern bourgeois programmer, as far as I remember, does not just stupidly set the time to the timer, but takes into account the real speed of a particular projectile at the exit from the barrel.
      Someone here wrote about the tree that the command was detonated from the ground by a laser beam.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 30 January 2021 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        In 1943, radio fuses were primitive, in fact, the simplest oscillatory circuit from a high school physics textbook

        Well, it would not be clear if something similar to the modern one immediately appeared .. where did it come from?
    5. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 30 January 2021 20: 16
      0
      Quote: mat-vey
      So they have started to use radio fuses on antiaircraft guns since 1943?

      But what is really there, let the countdown go from 1751. Or maybe even earlier. And to hell with him, that throughout the war of 1939-1945, all anti-aircraft guns of all armies fired shells with conventional remote fuses.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 30 January 2021 20: 22
        0
        Quote: Ingenegr
        But what is really there, let the countdown go from 1751. Or maybe even earlier. And to hell with him, that throughout the war of 1939-1945, all anti-aircraft guns of all armies fired shells with conventional remote fuses.

        And 22 million T3 over the two years of the war, the United States specially made for warehouses ...
        1. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 30 January 2021 20: 32
          0
          Until the end of 1944, the Yankees did not use shells with these RVs in continental Europe. We observed the secrecy regime. Indeed, at that time they were the first and only.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 30 January 2021 20: 36
            0
            Quote: Ingenegr
            Until the end of 1944, the Yankees did not use shells with these RVs in continental Europe. We observed the secrecy regime. Indeed, at that time they were the first and only.

            Maybe there will be a discovery for you - they also fought with the assholes, and those who had planes ... and that it is characteristic that there were many ship anti-aircraft guns ... and yes - the war ended in 1945 ..
            Quote: Ingenegr
            that throughout the war of 1939-1945, all anti-aircraft guns of all armies fired shells with conventional remote fuses.
            1. Ingenegr
              Ingenegr 30 January 2021 22: 32
              +1
              I looked at the sources - indeed, in the Pacific theater of operations, the Yankees widely used shells with radioactive substances on ships when repelling Japanese raids.
              Live and learn, as they say. I was sure to this day that, except in the air defense of England, these RVs did not have wide practical use.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 1 February 2021 05: 34
                0
                Quote: Ingenegr
                I was sure to this day that, except in the air defense of England, these RVs did not have wide practical use.

                In England there were the same American ones.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 08: 22
    +2
    Quote: Victor_B
    a remote fuse for a 57mm anti-aircraft projectile from the Ochakov era ...
    I screwed about 100 of them with my hands.

    And hands, I suppose, and set the distance on them. And there already "to whom will God send."
    The trick of the "smart" projectiles is that the moment of detonation is determined for each projectile separately, directly according to the actual place on the trajectory.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 26
      +3
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And hands, I suppose, and set the distance on them.
      Ha-ha-ha!
      The KS-19 anti-aircraft gun automatically sets the fuse response time before the projectile is fed into the chamber on command from the RPK (radio instrument complex) by turning the fuse head at a certain angle.
      And not only the distance, but also the guidance can be automatic due to the servos.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 08: 30
        +1
        Quote: Victor_B
        and guidance can be automatic

        Aiming a projectile at a target?
        Or the barrel of the gun towards the target?
        Of course, I doubt the implementation of 57 mm, but the term "guided projectile" implies the control of the projectile on the trajectory, ie. the presence of rudders.
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 31
          +5
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          the term "guided projectile" means the control of the projectile along the trajectory,

          In this case, this term simply means "programmable firing distance".
          And on the KS-19 - yes, four guns SAMI synchronously aim.
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 30 January 2021 13: 42
          +1
          So Berevestnik initially, even more than 10 years ago, vpariva ..., sorry, positioned the AU with controlled (by the laser beam) shells. Moreover, the firing range at the VTS was supposed to be 8 km. Apparently, then it did not grow together.
  • sivuch
    sivuch 30 January 2021 13: 38
    +1
    NYAZ, the C-60 in the BC had shells only with contact fuses. in fact, this is the main reason for the low efficiency of the S-60 and ZSU-57-2.
  • rusboris
    rusboris 30 January 2021 18: 04
    0
    It takes a long time to make a car. We need to rivet these anti-aircraft guns on trailers faster. Let the bases, hospitals and fuel depots be guarded along the perimeter. And for tankers in a combat brigade, this derivation based on BMP 3 is being done. The spoon is good for dinner. And then they shoot at a UAV worth 10 thousand rubles. a rocket worth 4 million rubles. It's a shame, however.
  • maiman61
    maiman61 31 January 2021 20: 32
    0
    Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs!
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  • DDZ57
    DDZ57 1 February 2021 12: 41
    0
    If I'm not mistaken, a remote fuse for an anti-aircraft 57mm projectile from the times of Ochakov and the conquest of the Crimea ...

    There are currently no others in the Russian Federation (from the word no).
    Because for the fuse:
    - there is no power source operating at overloads over 20000g;
    - there is no EEB that retains its performance under such overloads either;
    - the fuse programming problem has not been solved. one of the reasons is that Rheinmetall (which in the first decade of the 21st century acquired a company from Switzerland - the ideologist of inductive programming - Oerlikon Contraves) patented this principle in the Russian Federation (has several valid patents).
    The power of the old HE shell from the S-60 in terms of the power of action on the target is almost 1,4 times less than that of the 57 mm Bofors projectile, this is due to the fact that the RF projectile is much shorter than the Beaufort projectile. The old RF projectile has a worse shape factor, with all the ensuing consequences.
    A big question about the presence of BOPS for this shot. The KBP showed its 57-mm shot with BOPS (for its own system in its "own" caliber 57mm) actually at least showed. There was nothing from the Petrel.
    All of the above applies to a controlled power supply.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 January 2021 08: 17
    +3
    According to open data, the range of destruction of the gun is 6 km, the height of destruction is up to 4,5 km

    For the Bayraktars who fought in Armenia, it will not be enough ... they joke at high heights.
    But for kamikaze ammunition just right.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 30 January 2021 14: 04
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      For the Bayraktars who fought in Armenia, it will not be enough ... they joke at high heights.
      At such heights, they should be dealt with by medium-range air defense systems.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 30 January 2021 08: 18
    +3
    Future assassins of helicopters and small drones ...
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 08: 25
      +8
      Quote: Doccor18
      Future helicopter killers

      Yes Yes.
      So the helicopters are straight and flew to slaughter.
      Nowadays they shoot from a distance of more than 10 km.
      Derivation is more likely against small drones and large slow missiles / projectiles.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 30 January 2021 08: 29
        +4
        Quote: Jacket in stock

        So the helicopters are straight and flew to slaughter.

        Situations are different and helicopters too ...
        And not everyone works from 10 km.
      2. Victor_B
        Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 30
        +5
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        So the helicopters are straight and flew to slaughter.

        And how will the pilot guess that the self-propelled gun is in the forest?
        Will he look in Hollywood cinema?
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 08: 38
          -3
          Quote: Victor_B
          And how will the pilot guess that the self-propelled gun is in the forest?

          Well, if the commander sends him without preliminary reconnaissance of the area, then nothing.
          And if the commander is normal, he will look at the screen of his monitor.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 44
            +6
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            And if the commander is normal, he will look at the screen of his monitor.

            Don't let the dark die!
            Tell us what he will see there?
            If the self-propelled gun is disguised?
            Thermal imager? Radar?
            They show it in the movies. So also the full name and address of the calculation.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 14: 20
              +1
              Quote: Victor_B
              If the self-propelled gun is disguised?
              Thermal imager? Radar?

              And radar and thermal imager and UV to boot.
              There are a lot of unmasking signs.
              Quote: Victor_B
              Tell us what he will see there?

              Yes, there were many videos from Karabakh in autumn. A lot of things were visible.
      3. KCA
        KCA 30 January 2021 09: 03
        +7
        The terrain is absolutely everywhere the same as on the training ground, a flat field, well, say, 10x10 km, no trees, no mounds, the flying machine just rose a little and fired at the tanks, which are just waiting for it to burn out, the tanks are alone, there is no airspace monitoring, fuck all sorts of long-range and near-range radar systems, they came up with, for some reason, all sorts of crap that detects a golf ball at 2500 km
    2. Victor_B
      Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 48
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      Future assassins of helicopters and small drones ...

      Cannon S-60 (as of 85) the standard for a helicopter target at 2 km, with the barrel turned to the side - 20 sec. First shot to get excellent.
      And it's all by hand!
  • prior
    prior 30 January 2021 08: 25
    0
    It would be necessary to run in Syria while there are still "barmaley" left.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 30 January 2021 08: 29
      +3
      Barmaleev is enough for our century ..
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 09: 28
      +2
      Quote: prior
      It would be necessary to run in Syria while there are still "barmaley" left.

      Do they fly there?
      1. prior
        prior 30 January 2021 09: 39
        +8
        Not. Barmaley do not fly, theirs UAVs and gas cylinders fly.
        Besides, "Derivation" is not only an antiaircraft gun. You can train on jihad mobiles.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 09: 48
          -1
          Quote: prior
          their UAVs fly

          To shoot down UAVs assembled from sticks and Chinese batteries with motors, it is not at all necessary to trudge to Syria. By the way, nothing has been written about the cost of a shot. Otherwise, it may turn out that only the price of one shell is more than the Barmaley UAV costs.
          1. prior
            prior 30 January 2021 10: 08
            +9
            "A hat for Senka." Each target has its own ammunition.
            Tests must be tests. And then suddenly it turns out that due to the lack of an air conditioner in the car, it is impossible to sit in the car, the electronics malfunction from the heat, there is no autonomous power source, there is nowhere to go from the engine rumble. And from combat readiness will remain - zilch.
            From the fact that the UAV is assembled from sticks and Chinese batteries with a motor, it does not become less dangerous, despite its cheapness, and it can "shit" well.
            And at the "home" training ground, everything was surprisingly wonderful.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 10: 30
              +1
              Quote: prior
              And at the "home" training ground, everything was surprisingly wonderful.

              A group of students with homemade UAVs and see how Derivation handles them.
          2. ANB
            ANB 30 January 2021 10: 45
            +3
            ... By the way, nothing has been written about the cost of a shot. Otherwise, it may turn out that only the price of one shell is more than the Barmaley UAV costs.

            The RFID chip in 2007 cost 6 rubles.
            Even if the price has risen to 30, and even taking into account the fact that the remote firing device is somewhat more complicated than the Rfid chip, the off-scale price is not drawn in any way. With the correct organization of the process, of course.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 11: 33
              0
              Quote: ANB
              Even if the price has risen to 30, and even taking into account the fact that the remote firing device is somewhat more complicated than the Rfid chip, the off-scale price is not drawn in any way.

              And a drone made of manure and sticks will cost five thousand.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 08: 34
    +3
    And by the way, yes, by "guided projectiles," what do you mean, trajectory control using rudders or just a controlled moment of detonation?
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 30 January 2021 13: 45
      +2
      It is more correct to write - correctable. They were originally offered. And controlled disruption is only controlled disruption
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 30 January 2021 09: 32
    +2
    They've been talking for a long time, but we haven't heard of real tests yet ... Here we seem to be lagging behind
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 30 January 2021 10: 20
    +3
    A much needed air defense system.
  • voronkov
    voronkov 30 January 2021 11: 07
    +1
    Derivation is a polysemantic term from the Latin word derivatio - abduction, deviation. In general, a term meaning a deviation of something from the main trajectory of movement, a deviation from the main value

    Nicely named and promising .... Well, our Kulibins! TTX serious, well done ..
  • Guru
    Guru 30 January 2021 11: 13
    +2
    The Derivation-Air Defense anti-aircraft artillery system was created on the BMP-3 chassis and equipped with a module with a 57-mm automatic cannon.
    Here's what you need to screw to the "Terminator". laughing
    The complex includes a combat vehicle with a high ballistic cannon, a maintenance vehicle and a 9T260 transport-loading vehicle

    Understood nothing belay It's a 57mm cannon to load.
    which can quickly recharge a combat vehicle right on the battlefield.

    This will ride across the battlefield.

    And the tanks T-90, T72, Armata with their 125mm manually load and then the 57mm machine is needed.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 30 January 2021 12: 21
      +3
      There are about a hundred shells. And maybe over a hundred. You will be tortured to carry it by hand.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 30 January 2021 13: 52
    +3
    The S-60 and its descendants are a terrible thing even for a tank, not only for lightly armored or airborne vehicles ..
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 30 January 2021 18: 47
    -1
    So the derivation complex was invented, and the shells for it had not yet been invented. And where is the tambourine then?
  • notingem
    notingem 30 January 2021 23: 45
    +1
    Soon they will create shells at such a cost that they will shoot at a loss. And the gunners, God forgive me, the operators will be drooling downs
  • sen
    sen 31 January 2021 06: 59
    +4
    As I understand it, we are talking about a fragmentation projectile with remote detonation. Such a projectile is good, for example, for destroying manpower in a trench - an explosion above the trench. But for the destruction of air targets, a beam-fragmentation (shrapnel) projectile with remote detonation is more optimal - a more rational dispersal of fragments. Like the 35mm PMD330 and PMD375 rounds.
    1. Thomas N.
      Thomas N. 31 January 2021 21: 00
      0
      Quote: sen
      As I understand it, we are talking about a fragmentation projectile with remote detonation. Such a projectile is good, for example, for destroying manpower in a trench - an explosion above the trench.

      It will not work to make an explosion exactly over the trench. How to accurately measure the distance to the trench? Why will the laser rangefinder beam be reflected? So, the shells you mentioned with GGE such as PMD330, PMD375 and PMC308 will also be better for firing at manpower in trenches, because the expansion of the GGE with a cone forward compensates for the error in determining the range for a given blasting with undershoot.
  • sen
    sen 31 January 2021 07: 38
    +1
    The hit of several 57-mm guided projectiles can cause some damage to electronics and MBT sensors and leave the vehicle "blind" on the battlefield.
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