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The United States decided to abandon the coastal zone ships from Lockheed Martin due to the discovered defect

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In the United States, the Pentagon's decision on the ships of the coastal zone LCS, which is called scandalous in the media, is being discussed. These ships were originally contracted by the US military from Lockheed Martin.


US information resources, citing representatives of the command of the US Navy, report that the Pentagon has decided to abandon the purchase of LCS-class ships. The materials note that the reason for this failure was the identification of a critical defect in these ships of the coastal zone.

In total, 9 ships of the Freedom project were delivered to the US Navy. In total, the United States naval forces were going to purchase 16 of these ships. The first deliveries began in 2008, and in 2020, the US Navy announced its readiness to write off half of the LCS payroll.

Now it turns out that the matter will not be limited to one write-off - the Pentagon decided to abandon the services of the military-industrial giant Lockheed Martin in terms of supplying 8 more ships of this class.

Cause reports state that an unrecoverable critical defect was found, which has already led to the failure of two littoral ships with a total displacement of 3900 tons.

What specific defect that led to the tough decision of the US Navy, are we talking about?

It turned out that the defect was related to the design of bearings that combine the operation of Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbine engines with the operation of Colt-Pielstick diesel power plants. The joint work of these engines (according to the plan) should accelerate the ship to a speed of 40 knots. But a defect in the bearings when a warship was picking up speed led either to jamming of the mechanism for transmitting torque to the propellers, or to failure of the transmission with rapid wear of the bearings in standard operation.

Lockheed Martin said it was ready to introduce a new bearing option. It was noted that they can be installed on the ships LCS-21 Minneapolis-Saint Paul and LCS-23 Cooperstown.
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  1. Avior
    Avior 30 January 2021 00: 42
    +18
    an example that the percentage of novelty in a product should not exceed a reasonable value.
    The more new, the higher the likelihood of an unpredictable design defect.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 30 January 2021 00: 46
      +2
      Yes. The second school, they did not carry out the whole complex of tests on the lead ship with the elimination of all critical remarks, before launching into the series.
      In my opinion, the concept of supermodularity is a mistake in principle.
      This displacement allows the construction of a Corvette / Frigate with all the necessary weapons and equipment, for less money.
      But the fact that this project gave an opportunity for technical development is a fact.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 30 January 2021 03: 30
        +2
        Lockheed Martin generally molds a joint into a joint!
        For example, the F-35 in general, the largest in the history of mankind, drank some dough with a useful output a little more than zero!
        Again, the joint on the joint!
        It is not known when it will be brought to full combat readiness.
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 30 January 2021 06: 02
          +6
          On April 28, the American military publication "Defense news", referring to the Pentagon, notes that the US military command does not seek to eliminate problems with technical defects in the F-35, but has decided to take the simplest path. The Pentagon has decided to set operational restrictions on F-35 flights.
          The Pentagon refused to solve one of the key problems of the F-35B Lightning II and F-35C Lightning II fifth-generation fighters, namely the threat of defragmentation of the tail and body of the aircraft when moving at supersonic speed. In a classic manner for itself, the Pentagon refused to make technical changes to eliminate this shortcoming, which would significantly increase the survivability of the aircraft, but the military leadership decided to take unprecedented and radical measures - they would set restrictions on the operation of the aircraft.
          Information about the F-35

          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 30 January 2021 07: 31
            +3
            How the Jewish brothers offend any spit towards the F-35!
            There are a lot of cons at once.
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 31 January 2021 08: 57
            0
            namely Threat деfragmentation tail and body of the aircraft when moving at supersonic speed.
            Can someone explain to me what a defragmentation threat is and how it is dangerous for an aircraft? Preserving the integrity of the aircraft at supersonic is harmful? !!! Graphomaniacs, ...
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 30 January 2021 08: 53
        +1
        Zero cant - perhaps it turned out - "sponsored Trump too much." zrada with peremogy. and to eliminate - to redo the node was refused in principle.
      3. venik
        venik 30 January 2021 13: 36
        +4
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        In my opinion, the concept of supermodularity is a mistake in principle.

        ========
        good SUPERmodularity is a dangerous thing! drinks
        But "modularity" within reasonable limits - the thing is not only relevant, but also very useful! (right now from the "sofa experts" "slippers will fly", as they have already flew at you).
        And God is with them! Does not matter - drinks
    2. poquello
      poquello 30 January 2021 00: 46
      -2
      Quote: Avior
      an example that the percentage of novelty in a product should not exceed a reasonable value.
      The more new, the higher the likelihood of an unpredictable design defect.

      "would you not be chasing cheapness" under capitalism
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 30 January 2021 01: 33
        +1
        "bearing" ... how much in this sound, for the Russian heart has merged, how much it echoed ...
        otherwise we do not remember the "welded" bearings on the "Zhiguli" ... yes, I myself once almost "went" into the ditch after the "wedge" on the "seven", and I saw quite a few of those who were unlucky on ours " directions ". By the way, the "Leningrad" bearings ran longer than the others. Until the "liberals" came. Now the quality fell. happiness to those who have bearings since Soviet times, even used ones in zinc from under the cartridges are.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 30 January 2021 06: 40
          +1
          Quote: Aerodrome
          otherwise we don't remember the "welded" bearings on the "Zhiguli"

          I don’t remember, although I skated in the troika for 11 years. Camshafts, crosses, ball, suspension arms changed repeatedly, and God had mercy on bearings.
    3. EDWARD
      EDWARD 30 January 2021 01: 59
      +10
      The US Navy pointed to a "material defect" in the complex transmission of the Freedom LCS ships, which transfers the power generated by the engines to their jet propulsion system, and clarified that they are working to eliminate the noted deficiencies.





      The identified defects will be corrected on ships already in the American fleet. Only after these problems have been eliminated can new LCS be delivered.

      The Freedom ship carries two Rolls-Royce 48 hp gas turbine engines. with. and two 000 hp Colt-Pielstick diesel engines. with. - total 9100 thousand liters. with. And all this power must be transferred to the ship's water jets.
      "Svoboda" was let down by the bearings:
      1. EDWARD
        EDWARD 30 January 2021 01: 59
        +10
        If we refuse to use the power plant, then instead of the declared 47 knots, the ship on the wind turbine can reach a speed of only 12 knots.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 30 January 2021 03: 25
          -10%
          I think this is not a problem ... they will fix the technology and that's it. I just work with it. and I know and I see. the amendment always comes before the "series", we are finalizing, so that further without "complaints". Everyone knows that the first parties are always "raw"? and "armata" stalled at the parade ...
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 30 January 2021 04: 01
            +3
            T 14 stalled not during the parade but at the rehearsal. From mechanical drive error and not from equipment failure. Which happens sooooo often. No need to put an owl on the globe
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 30 January 2021 04: 24
              -6
              Quote: carstorm 11
              T 14 stalled not during the parade but at the rehearsal. From mechanical drive error and not from equipment failure. Which happens sooooo often. No need to put an owl on the globe

              Yes, yes, of course. and in general this was a planned "wrong", technical assistance in full force ... winked It’s not funny yourself? The men saw what they saw, but you can push whatever you want to the students. But in fact, on the knee, by decree, they made what was, for the holiday they saw how they did it ... no? Tagil rules, and we can't do that! it is necessary with two trunks - easy, should it be with three? - a bubble on top ...))) I'm kidding, of course, but "the party said, it must, the Komsomol answered - yes!" - no one canceled.
              1. user1212
                user1212 30 January 2021 05: 03
                +5
                Quote: Aerodrome
                Yes, yes, of course

                This is an argument! wassat
                Quote: Aerodrome
                the men saw what they saw, and the students can sell anything

                The story of the destruction of Abrams from a machine gun fits well good
                Quote: Aerodrome
                made of what was, for the holiday saw how they did ... no?

                Hopefully it's about LCS at least? The article is still about him
                Quote: Aerodrome
                but "the party said, it is necessary, the Komsomol answered, there is!"

                Or is it about F35? lol
                1. Aerodrome
                  Aerodrome 30 January 2021 05: 43
                  -4
                  Quote: user1212
                  This is an argument!

                  and yours?
                  saw how they sculpted.
                  Quote: user1212
                  Or is it about F35?

                  what are you weaving?
                  1. user1212
                    user1212 30 January 2021 06: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Aerodrome
                    saw how they sculpted.

                    Yes, in my city, any taxi driver saw how they sculpted
                    Quote: Aerodrome
                    what are you weaving?

                    ABOUT! And here's another great argument. You are burning today lol
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 30 January 2021 05: 11
                +4
                It is not planned. It just happens. For the first time, they went from the combat unit to mechanics. Technicians for quick repairs at parades and preparation are always present and many. In my memory, for example, there is a case when one of the tanks on the rise to the exit to the square stalled. My car stalled during the general run. It's not uncommon
                1. Aerodrome
                  Aerodrome 30 January 2021 05: 44
                  -4
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  It is not planned. It just happens. For the first time, they went from the combat unit mechanics.

                  to the parade? oh well ... not even funny.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 30 January 2021 06: 00
                    +4
                    Well, it's up to you to believe it or not. Mechanics are people. Sometimes they are wrong. Runs for this are needed so that there would be no mistakes on the parade itself. They keep spare cars so that they can quickly replace them for a reason.
    4. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 30 January 2021 03: 23
      +7
      Quote: Avior
      an example that the percentage of novelty in a product should not exceed a reasonable value.

      Anecdote to the topic wink
      The ensign takes out some incomprehensible crap in front of the formation and says ... Well, this is a very modern device, it can work even at temperatures from +500 c to -500 c !!! Surprise at the whole system, one brave Fighter - Comrade Warrant Officer, but Physicists do not know about temperatures of -500 s, in Physics the lowest temperature is ... -273 s.
      Prapor is menacing TSSSS, QUIET - Secret development, Physicists don't know about it yet! laughing laughing laughing
    5. RealPilot
      RealPilot 30 January 2021 04: 57
      +1
      About cuts - yes, there are record holders ...
      Corporation "LochKid"surprises with its success wassat

      But should we grieve about this? I don’t think so!
    6. Thrifty
      Thrifty 30 January 2021 06: 51
      -4
      Loch Kid will lose such loot if the contract is really terminated! This is the "hand of the Kremlin" in action against "national interests" lol .
  2. nsm1
    nsm1 30 January 2021 01: 15
    +1
    Refuse to purchase because of the bearing?
    Somehow too much!
    To put a larger size like nizzy ?!
    It is clear that a new gearbox will be needed - so these costs can be passed on to the culprit!
    Something is not clear here ...
    Or they were wrong.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 30 January 2021 01: 53
      +2
      Quote: nsm1
      Something is not clear here ...

      The Nazis can expect the next replenishment of their fleet. hi
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 January 2021 02: 27
      +4
      They didn't lie, they just lied. USN will not accept ships until Lockheed fixes the issue at his own expense. And then they will start again. They are not going to give up the ships.
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 30 January 2021 07: 23
        +3
        Yes, alas, they lied ...
        Here: http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=31041 it is written much better and in more detail.
  3. sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 January 2021 01: 22
    +2
    Again the white-skinned people screwed up.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 30 January 2021 01: 46
      +3
      These advanced leaders of production, negros or liberals tried. Now in America, in order to get a good job, you need to be colored or some kind of pervert (pedophile, transgender, sadomite, etc.).
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 30 January 2021 06: 35
        0
        According to https://news.usni.org/2021/01/19/navy-calls-freedom-lcs-propulsion-problem-class-wide-defect-wont-take-new-ships-until-fixed
        the gearbox containing this problem bearing was developed in Germany and supplied from there.
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 30 January 2021 10: 54
          -1
          So they were liberals from Germany ???
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 30 January 2021 20: 21
            0
            Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
            So they were liberals from Germany ???

            Liberators in the streets make noise in the press. And they usually don't work in factories.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 31 January 2021 09: 15
              0
              And they usually don't work in factories.
              Come on ... And the management team? All sorts of managers on the "third ball in the needle bearing of the mirror hub of the lower view" wassat
              They're like mud there. And yes, they do not work at the machine. It is a fact.
        2. alpamys
          alpamys 30 January 2021 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          According to https://news.usni.org/2021/01/19/navy-calls-freedom-lcs-propulsion-problem-class-wide-defect-wont-take-new-ships-until-fixed
          the gearbox containing this problem bearing was developed in Germany and supplied from there.

          can be trusted
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 January 2021 02: 13
    -1
    And where are these defective vessels now? winked There are options though. laughing
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 January 2021 02: 28
      -1
      The problem will be corrected and the ships will continue to serve.
  5. Revolver
    Revolver 30 January 2021 02: 53
    +3
    According to https://news.usni.org/2021/01/19/navy-calls-freedom-lcs-propulsion-problem-class-wide-defect-wont-take-new-ships-until-fixed then the delivery of new ships stopped until the defect is eliminated in already taken into operation. This is slightly different from the statement in the article
    The Pentagon decided to abandon the services of the military-industrial giant Lockheed Martin in terms of supplying 8 more ships of this class.
  6. Linxs
    Linxs 30 January 2021 03: 12
    +1
    Ukrainians will be sold to the tridoroga. They don't care about the flaws and holes.
    1. prior
      prior 30 January 2021 08: 42
      +1
      Standing near the wall in Odessa will do quite well.
      Well, the Americans can't cut their unsuccessful ships, if they can get in.
      The Ukrainians will take off their last trousers, and in spite of Russia they will be taken.
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 30 January 2021 14: 31
        +2
        For maidanut skakuasam, such boats will make a serious hole in the budget and, possibly, will accelerate them all to go to the bottom more quickly. After all, it takes a lot of money to maintain such equipment.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 31 January 2021 09: 19
      0
      Ukrainians will be sold to the tridoroga. They don't care about the flaws and holes.
      Perpetual lease (from the Russian word).
  7. Turist1996
    Turist1996 30 January 2021 03: 35
    0
    It seems to me that Lockheed Martin should be renamed LochKid Martin long ago.
    "Thrower of suckers" - somehow more reflects the essence of the activities of this company. In the role of "suckers" - an American taxpayer. Painfully cleverly, this company turns out to cut the budget with a very "ambiguous" result at the exit.
  8. seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 30 January 2021 03: 37
    +6
    The ship's design is plug-and-play, but most modules are still in development. It is known that four of them are intended for anti-mine operations, while others are for anti-submarine warfare and to combat surface ships and boats.
    This type of ships has an insufficient number of radars and limited capabilities of protection against anti-ship missiles. In the event of a powerful blow, they have no defense mechanism to reduce damage.
    Main technical characteristics of LCS-1 type Freedom
    Displacement 2839 tons (full)
    Length 115,3 m
    Width 17,5 m
    13,1 m - at the waterline
    Draft 3,7-4,1 m
    Booking No
    GTU engines + diesel
    Speed ​​50 knots (maximum at sea state 3 points)
    Cruising range 4300 miles (at 20 knots), 1500 miles (at 50 knots)
    Swimming autonomy 21 days
    Crew 50 people
    weaponry
    Artillery 1 × 1 - 57 mm Mk. 110
    Anti-aircraft artillery 4 × 12,7 mm machine gun
    Missile armament 1 × 21 SAM RAM Mk. 31
    Aviation group 2 SH-60 helicopters or 1 H-60 ​​helicopter and 3 MQ-8 Fire Scout UAVs

    And here project 22160 is actively criticized! I'm not talking about the price yet!
  9. alpamys
    alpamys 30 January 2021 03: 37
    0
    promptly .... surprised.
    where did it come from?
  10. kig
    kig 30 January 2021 03: 55
    +3
    Freedom turned out to be problematic at all. There are problems not only with the propulsion system, but also with the hull. Even during the tests, at least 17 cracks were found in the hull, which continued to appear after the admission to the fleet, for example in 2011 and 2012. In 2013, during a voyage to Singapore, there was a blackout in the Pacific Ocean. Arriving in Singapore, he took part in the exhibition, where many people visited him, and in the first exit from the port he was forced to return back in tow. In general, despite the proud name ... and they also say - as you name the ship, so it will float. The proverb does not work.
  11. Ham
    Ham 30 January 2021 04: 53
    +3
    It used to be possible to throw trillions of dough on all sorts of wunderwales, but now, in the harsh conditions of the crisis, money is starting to be sorely lacking ...
    on this, bickering begins for the redistribution of the resource base
    in short, not only everyone will survive
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 January 2021 06: 49
    +3
    Revolver
    the gearbox containing this problem bearing was developed in Germany and supplied from there.
    Here it turns out what's the matter - the Germans are to blame, but Lockheed Martin has nothing to do with it. Well, Americans cannot, by definition, screw up some. Everybody in the world is screwing up except the United States.
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 January 2021 07: 02
    0
    The bearings turned out to have square rollers? A premium to the manufacturer! And what about the Zumvolt, the transfer to the shaft will be more complicated.
  14. KCA
    KCA 30 January 2021 07: 50
    0
    On LCS, of course, it was possible to cut much more dollars than from "Bala" or "Coast", but in terms of efficiency I doubt
  15. SVD68
    SVD68 30 January 2021 08: 08
    +1
    The Americans realized that the days when it was enough to display the flag were over. And now, under the pretext of abandoning non-combat ships.
  16. askort154
    askort154 30 January 2021 08: 53
    0
    In total, the United States naval forces were going to purchase 16 of these ships. The first deliveries began in 2008, and in 2020, the US Navy announced its readiness to write off half of the LCS payroll.

    Those written off will be sold to third countries, as is always done. Ukrainian admirals are already rubbing their hands in the hope that they will get at least one.
  17. Cowbra
    Cowbra 30 January 2021 09: 37
    0
    Yes, most likely. the fact is that the very concept of the LCS as it is was recognized as a failure last year, and 4 NEW ships of both types of LCS were put up against the wall for complete uselessness. But at the same time, they continued to build the same type - the contract was signed! Now they finally found something to get to the bottom of, and exhaling with relief, they sent Lockheed south.
    PiSi: but all that was necessary initially was to get involved less in cutting the budget and look more at R&D. It's not for you to draw cartoons - the only thing. what they can do at the Pentagon. Sawmill
  18. Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 30 January 2021 10: 08
    0
    Probably soon they will snatch the diggers of the Black Sea. "Inexpensive", almost for nothing.
  19. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 30 January 2021 11: 24
    0
    Quote: Alex 2020
    Probably soon they will snatch the diggers of the Black Sea. "Inexpensive", almost for nothing.

    It is unlikely that it will work, if only in exchange for an unfinished and rusting "Ukraine". wassat
  20. Simple
    Simple 30 January 2021 11: 33
    +1
    The United States decided to abandon the coastal zone ships from Lockheed Martin

    Not refuse, but suspend.
    (Although there naval ideas with modularity as on the Freedom-Class
    littoral comat ship "already full")

    See here for more details.

    https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2021/01/19/the-us-navy-halts-deliveries-of-freedom-class-littoral-combat-ship/
  21. Comrade I
    Comrade I 30 January 2021 12: 32
    0
    So what turns out, "Lockheed" is an American "Barrier", only with a lot of zeros in the price list? ; D
  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 January 2021 12: 55
    0
    Right.
    I should have focused on the second type from the very beginning.
    these ships are on trimaran.
    They are truly innovative.
  23. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 30 January 2021 17: 09
    0
    Yes nuuu ...
    What nonsense? ..
    Refusing to build eight steamers through a batch of defective bearings is nonsense.
    I would never have built a single steamer.
    Yesterday / the day before yesterday I did not have the correct knits (according to the drawing provided). Submitted by the second shop is absolutely not right, to put it mildly. And quite a lot. They often have such dregs.
    So - throw the second "Comet" into a landfill or what?!. Straight from the slipway.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 January 2021 22: 34
      -1
      Quote: Benzorez
      Refusing to build eight steamers through a batch of defective bearings is nonsense.


      Nobody refuses to build. They will not be accepted with defective bearings.