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Romanians are running in a noisy crowd across Bessarabia

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Romanians are running in a noisy crowd across Bessarabia
Based on this photograph, it can be concluded that the Romanian soldiers did in fact throw weapon... However, most likely, this photo was taken on July 3, 1940, or later, when the border was closed, and Soviet troops detained and disarmed the Romanian soldiers and officers who did not have time to leave - a total of 7446 people


This история attracted my attention for a long time and was mentioned in my book “Victor Suvorov is lying! Sink the 2013 Icebreaker. There was a large section about Romania and Romanian oil, in which I refuted Viktor Suvorov's thesis that the return of Bessarabia provoked Germany to attack the USSR. First, the return of Bessarabia occurred with the consent of Germany. Secondly, the oil fields were taken under the control of the Romanian troops with the expulsion of the British and French personnel of the firms that owned these fields on July 3, 1940, three days after the Soviet troops on July 1, 1940 established control over Bessarabia.

But we are not talking about oil, but about the weapons, ammunition and military equipment left by the Romanians in Bessarabia, which were then for the most part returned to the Romanians and exported. The literature noted that “abandoned weapons were collected”, from which it could be concluded that the Romanian troops fled in panic from Bessarabia, abandoning rifles, machine guns, guns, cartridges.


Inspection of Romanian officers when crossing the border

While looking through the inventories of the RGVA funds, I came across documents from the Ministry of War of Romania, among which was the case of the transfer of this very weapons and military property. It is never superfluous to look into the documents - perhaps they will contain some interesting details of this strange and mysterious episode. I will say right away that the documents did not reveal all the secrets, but they gave something interesting, which allows us to look at the exit of the Romanian troops from Bessarabia from a slightly different angle.

They were military warehouses


There were not so many documents, and all of them concerned the transfer of weapons, ammunition and military property left in Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina. They mention divisional general Aurel Aldea, who at the time of the events commanded the 4th Infantry Division and first headed the commission for resolving issues of the evacuation of Romanian troops from Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, and then headed the commission in Odessa for the return of abandoned Romanian weapons and property (RGVA, f. 492k, op. 1, d. 9, l. 15). Subsequently, he commanded the 2nd and then the 7th Army Corps. General Aldea was an opponent of the war with the USSR and was part of a group of officers who hatched plans to go over to the side of the anti-Hitler coalition, and then played an important role in the coup that overthrew General Ion Antonescu.

The most interesting document from this case is a list of weapons, ammunition and military equipment, which compared the amount left with the amount returned as of 8:13 on November 1940, XNUMX. The document was in a separate black folder, very well designed, on excellent paper, with beautifully executed diagrams. All pages of the document were stamped "Secret". In general, the documents of the Romanian War Ministry were distinguished by the quality of execution, and diagrams and diagrams were generally a work of drawing art. Better than German documents.

Apparently, this document was submitted either to the Minister of War, General Josif Iacobici, or even to Antonescu himself. After the war, the original document ended up in the Russian State Military Academy.

It was a long and detailed list, very detailed and divided into several sections. He destroys the version that the Romanian troops, when the Soviet troops approached, fled, throwing weapons and ammunition. The list turned out to be what the troops could take with them. Well, yes, they fled, throwing rifles - 67 pieces, revolvers and pistols - 079, bayonets - 6, grenades - 134, sabers - 43. And also shirts - 759 pieces, overcoats - 84, hats - 070 1, boots - 940 161 (RGVA, f. 506k, op. 79, d. 227, ll. 68-633). If the Romanian troops fled, then why leave the boots? Is it better to run barefoot?

The list shows that what was meant was not what was abandoned by the troops or left in the places of deployment, but what was in the warehouses of weapons, ammunition, quartermaster property, medical, veterinary property, food and fodder. For the export of this property, about 1000 wagons were required, and these warehouses, of course, could not be removed in two days, from June 28 to July 1, 1940, while the evacuation of Romanian troops from Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina continued. Therefore, the Romanians first left these warehouses, and then demanded the return of the property. There were no hostilities, the withdrawal of the Romanian troops took place by decision of the Romanian government, and therefore all this property could not be considered trophies of the Red Army.

Transmission


The Romanians put forward their demands, apparently based on the inventories of weapons, ammunition and property in the abandoned warehouses, which were available at the General Staff of the Romanian Army. After some negotiations, the Soviet government decided to satisfy the demands of the Romanian side. On October 29, 1940, 3 soldiers, 096 officers and 202 railway workers arrived in Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to load and dispatch goods. On November 218, 10, 1940 covered wagons and 321 flatcars crossed the border, a total of 471 wagons with military cargo.

It follows from the list that the Romanians did not receive all the property. Part of it, from July to November 1940, one might say, "the moth went away." I will not give the entire long list, but give some positions from it:



As you can see, some categories were returned in full, for certain categories of low-value property, the Romanians were given more than they demanded. Some of the weapons and ammunition that could have been used by the Red Army were not returned to the Romanians.

They had to part with uniforms and foodstuffs completely or almost completely. Very few uniforms were returned. Out of 79 greatcoats - 227 pieces, out of 1 pairs of boots - only 471 pairs. The directive of the commander of the Southern Front, General of the Army G.K. Zhukov directly stated:

Pay special attention to the appearance of the fighters and their fit, everyone should be shaved, cleaned, in neat clean summer clothes and helmets. The poorly dressed should be left in the rear and not taken to Bukovina and Bessarabia.


Red Army enters Bessarabia

This directive, as we see, contains a recognition that some of the Red Army soldiers were poorly dressed. It must be assumed that the Romanian uniforms were used to replenish the troops of the Southern Front. If this is the case, then by the number of uniforms not returned to Romanians, we can say that about 10% of the Soviet troops of the Southern Front were dressed and shod in an inappropriate way.

They also did not return food supplies to the Romanians. Apparently, food items on the list were measured in kilograms. If so, the Romanians lost 138,4 tons of military bread (paine de razboi - it's hard to say what it is) and 153,1 tons of bread, 2 tons of wheat, 742,8 tons of potatoes. Also, fodder was not returned: 768,9 tons of barley, 3 tons of corn, 323,1 tons of bran, 5 tons of hay.

Why were these warehouses created?


An interesting question arises - what were these warehouses? On the one hand, they were clearly created for the war with the USSR. Bessarabia - between the Dniester and the Prut - the territory is small. In the Bendery area, it is about 90 km wide, along the Cahul - Akkerman (Belgorod-Dnestrovsky) line - about 160 km. That is, the depth of Bessarabia is like that of the army's rear. Three railway lines: Novoselitsy - Mogilev-Podolsky, with a branch to Balti and further to the east; Iasi - Chisinau - Bender - Tiraspol and Galati - Bender. Despite the fact that Bessarabia is in a sense an isolated region, and access to it is limited by bridges over the Prut and Dniester, the Romanian army did not have any special problems with supplies. But nevertheless, some theater reserve was created - and obviously for the war with the USSR.


On the other hand, the Romanians deployed a grouping of troops consisting of 20 infantry, 3 cavalry divisions and 2 mountain infantry brigades with a total strength of 450 thousand people. This is about 60% of the strength of the Romanian land army. As you can see, the warehouses were clearly small for the full supply of such a group of forces. If the available stock of cartridges is divided by the ammunition of an infantryman with a rifle - 60 cartridges, then you get 1 bq per 396,1 thousand soldiers. Taking into account the machine-gun ammunition, the stock of ammunition was approximately 0,7 bq for the entire grouping of Romanian troops. You can't really fight with such a margin.

The delivery of bread for the troops was about 360 tons, while the warehouses stored less than a day of delivery of finished bread and wheat in grain for about 7 days. It was hardly possible to expect that the Romanian troops could defeat the opposing grouping of the Southern Front of 638,5 thousand people, superior in artillery and armored vehicles, in just a week.

As for the supply of the entire Romanian grouping in Bessarabia, there is still no documentary data available. As for the warehouses left in Bessarabia, one can draw the following conclusions: either they were warehouses for the first few days of hostilities, in addition to the transported supplies that the troops had with them (and took them during the evacuation), or they were warehouses for replenishment, which should have be recruited locally or transferred from Romania. Judging by how easily the Romanians left them, and then agreed with the non-return of some of the weapons, ammunition and property, their loss was not seen as a critical decrease in the combat capability of the Romanian army.

Why did the Romanians retreat? Because it would hardly be possible to count on victory in a battle with the Southern Front, which had a numerical and especially qualitative superiority, while the defeat of this group would deprive Romania of 60% of the army and make the country very vulnerable both in the face of the USSR and in the face of Hungary , relations with which were hostile. The concessions saved the army. However, having conceded once, I had to concede the second. According to the second Vienna arbitration, on August 30, 1940, Romania ceded Northern Transylvania to Hungary, and on September 7, 1940, South Dobruja was ceded to Bulgaria. These territories were returned to Romania after the end of World War II.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 1 February 2021 06: 11
    +3
    Pay special attention to the appearance of the fighters and their fit, everyone should be shaved, cleaned, in neat clean summer clothes and helmets. The poorly dressed should be left in the rear and not taken to Bukovina and Bessarabia. This directive, as we see, contains a recognition that some of the Red Army men were poorly dressed.
    It is not a fact that "badly dressed" means flaws and rags, the uniforms taught in the field are quite suitable for the definition of "badly dressed".
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 07: 37
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The uniforms taught in the field fit the definition of "poorly dressed".

      In Afghanistan, hb was given for 4 months, and after 2 it was often like homeless people - all the lei on the elbows and knees in holes ...
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 1 February 2021 08: 11
        +2
        Quote: mat-vey
        hb was given for 4 months, and after 2 it was often like homeless people - all the lei on the elbows and knees in holes
        About that about and speech.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 1 February 2021 08: 12
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          About that about and speech.

          I understood .. and "illustrated" with an example from the nearest future.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 February 2021 07: 38
      +3
      Not certainly in that way. Uniforms are issued for a specified period. At different times. For those who have a deadline, it is usually barely alive. Washed, sewn-altered, etc. against the background of the new and the truth does not look ice. There are two ways either to urgently give out new things to everyone or to get them out of sight)
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 1 February 2021 11: 15
        +1
        Yeah ... as I remember what they were wearing in the winter of 95 ... purely Makhnovists, still all finished, the look was still
        1. nakhtigalsif
          nakhtigalsif 1 February 2021 15: 41
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          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Yes ... as I remember what they were wearing in the winter of 95 ... purely Makhnovists, still all finished,

          ... * numb * probably? ..
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 1 February 2021 17: 53
            0
            Yes, a typo, smoky and numb and constantly hunting was horror
  2. Crowe
    Crowe 1 February 2021 06: 21
    +9
    Why was Mihai the First awarded the Order of Victory? I don’t understand, at least kill him.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 February 2021 07: 44
      +6
      Quote: Crowe
      Why was Mihai the First awarded the Order of Victory? I don’t understand, at least kill him.

      He saved the lives of Soviet soldiers by declaring war on Germany and sending troops against her.
      1. Liam
        Liam 1 February 2021 07: 52
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: Crowe
        Why was Mihai the First awarded the Order of Victory? I don’t understand, at least kill him.

        He saved the lives of Soviet soldiers by declaring war on Germany and sending troops against her.

        At the same time depriving the Germans of their only source of oil hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 February 2021 09: 29
          +2
          Greetings! hi Another thing in Hungary, the Germans had oil
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 1 February 2021 11: 18
            +4
            Yes, Adolf clung to Hungarian oil to the last, it was in Hungary that there was the most powerful tank group and there was the last powerful counteroffensive and there is practically the grave of the German Panzerwaffe
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 1 February 2021 11: 55
              +3
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              Yes, Adolf clung to Hungarian oil to the last, it was in Hungary that there was the most powerful tank group and there was the last powerful counteroffensive and there is practically the grave of the German Panzerwaffe

              Quite right, the battle on Lake Balaton, EMNIP
          2. Liam
            Liam 1 February 2021 12: 13
            +1
            Health!
            In Hungary, drops are already left
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 1 February 2021 12: 31
              +2
              A drop is not a drop - Aloizych had no other
          3. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 February 2021 14: 19
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            Another thing in Hungary, the Germans had oil

            even among the Poles, French and Austrians.
      2. Crowe
        Crowe 1 February 2021 08: 33
        +7
        Quote: Krasnodar
        He saved the lives of Soviet soldiers by declaring war on Germany and sending troops against her.

        Following your logic, Mannerheim also had to be awarded.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 February 2021 09: 38
          +7
          The logic here of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and, most likely, Molotov is not mine. hi Mannerheim in the so-called. The Lapland war against the Nazis killed less than a thousand people, no large-scale actions capable of leading to strategic results in the Victory over Nazi Germany were undertaken on his part. In fact, he was clearing his territory from yesterday's allies.
      3. major147
        major147 2 February 2021 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: Crowe
        Why was Mihai the First awarded the Order of Victory? I don’t understand, at least kill him.

        He saved the lives of Soviet soldiers by declaring war on Germany and sending troops against her.

        Recently I read LN Lisitsin's book "Dear Soldier" there and about it. In general, a very interesting book of memoirs of a simple soldier, not a near-front writer. A look at the war from the trench. I recommend there is an audiobook option.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 1 February 2021 08: 30
      +6
      Quote: Crowe
      Why was Mihai the First awarded the Order of Victory? I don’t understand, at least kill him.

      For saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of our soldiers and the approach of Victory: he overthrew and handed over the Nazi to the USSR Antonescu and deployed the army of Romania against Germany.

      In the fight against it, Romania lost about 400 thousand of its soldiers, thus saving our lives. And our troops did not waste resources, time and lives on the conquest of all of Romania, but were able to use all this in other sectors of the front.

      And this is a great contribution to the Victory.

      This step of Romania, of course, was forced, and in no way justifies their atrocities on the territory of the USSR.

      The fact that the order was awarded is not a problem, but that they, in fact, forgiven atrocities, almost all reparations, and even helped with bread in 1946-47, when in its neighboring MSSR its citizens were dying of hunger, further gifts are, of course, a mistake in the light of the fact that all this turned out to be useless and Romania did not become an ally, and did not suffer punishment.

      Author:
      Why did the Romanians retreat? Because it would hardly be possible to count on victory in the battle with the Southern Front, which had a numerical and especially qualitative superiority, while the defeat of this group would deprive Romania of 60% of the army and make the country very vulnerable


      There is one more point: unlike Poland, the Baltic states, the USSR NEVER recognized Bessarabia as Romania and for 22 years demanded to return it to the USSR, hold a plebiscite on belonging, etc.
      Moreover, according to the Treaty of 1918, Romania pledged to withdraw from this territory, but illegally annexed it.

      Bessarabia turned out to be, in fact, the last province of Russia.

      A gross mistake was the formation of a mono-national state of the MSSR instead of the multinational Russian Bessarabian province, where Moldovans constituted less than 50% of the population, by cutting off the Russian-speaking South of Bessarabia Budzhak (transferred to Ukraine).

      Moreover, no one in Bessarabia asked for this. Today the situation in this region would be completely different, much more advantageous for Russia.
      1. anzar
        anzar 1 February 2021 11: 14
        +2
        ... and deployed the Romanian army against Germany.
        In the fight against it, Romania lost about 400 thousand of its soldiers, thus saving the lives of our

        What kind of fiction? Abs. most Romanians died fighting против Red Army! Such is the "preservation".
        Here is an excerpt from the Russian wiki
        During hostilities on eastern front the Romanian side lost 630 people, of whom 000 were killed. On the western front, 170 000 man. The total losses of Romania during the war amounted to 800 people

        Those 170 000 lost mainly fighting with the Hungarians for "their" Transylvania.
        Perhaps your number is 400 - this is the number of rooms. armies on the "western front"
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 1 February 2021 12: 28
          +3
          Quote: anzar
          What kind of fiction? Abs. most Romanians died fighting the Red Army! Such is the "preservation".

          You don't understand at all that if the Romanians had not fought since 1944 against Germany, then instead of them, OURS would have fought and died? And ours would have died while conquering Romania (which was almost avoided)?
          Quote: anzar
          Here is an excerpt from the Russian wiki
          During the hostilities on the eastern front, the Romanian side lost 630 people, of whom 000 were killed. 480 people died on the western front. The total losses of Romania during the war amounted to 000 people

          Quote: anzar
          Here is an excerpt from the Russian wiki
          During the hostilities on the eastern front, the Romanian side lost 630 people, of whom 000 were killed. 480 people died on the western front. The total losses of Romania during the war amounted to 000 people

          Those 170 000 lost mainly fighting with the Hungarians for "their" Transylvania.
          Perhaps your number is 400 - this is the number of rooms. armies on the "western front"
          They fought against Hitler, keeping OUR lives is the main thing.

          The Romanians themselves distribute their losses as follows: 400 thousand against the USSR and 400 thousand against Germany (see "History of the Romanians")
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 1 February 2021 12: 43
            +2
            And ours would have died while conquering Romania (which was almost avoided)?

            ,,, but the losses were still less, of course.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 1 February 2021 13: 14
              +2
              Quote: bubalik
              , but the losses were still less, of course.

              Therefore, I wrote
              when conquering Romania (which almost managed to avoid)
              , bearing in mind our losses during the Jassy-Kishinev operation in August 1944, which led to Romania's withdrawal from the war.

              If Romania did not withdraw from the war, they would be several times higher.

              Interesting reference, but unrealistic. By the way, what year is she?

              Strange:
              1.that the losses in Hungary are less than the losses in Czechoslovakia ..
              2. In terms of losses in Germany, an unrealistically low implausible figure is generally unrealistic
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 1 February 2021 13: 18
                +2
                Hi Andrew hi
                By the way, what year is she?


                In terms of losses in Germany, an unrealistically low implausible figure is generally unrealistic
                ,,, but it does not contain data on total losses in Germany.
              2. bubalik
                bubalik 1 February 2021 13: 28
                +3
                In terms of losses in Germany, an unrealistically low implausible figure is generally unrealistic

                Losses of the Red Army from various sources:

                The losses of the Red Army during the liberation of Germany (excluding East Prussia) were:
                1st Belorussian Front: 25707 killed, 92.967 wounded.
                2st Belorussian Front: 6.953 killed, 24.532 wounded.
                1st Ukrainian Front: 14.699 killed, 50.650 wounded.
                In total: 47.359 people were killed, 168.149 people were wounded. Loss data not included: missing, sick and frostbitten Reason: RF Ministry of Defense, fund 15, inventory 847818, file 27, sheets 34-35.

                During the liberation of Germany, Soviet troops lost more than 300 thousand people killed, wounded and missing. Foundation: Institute of Military History of the USSR Ministry of Defense. Countries of Central and South-Eastern Europe in the Second World War. Military-historical reference book. Military publishing house of the USSR Ministry of Defense, M. 1972. Page 112.

                Losses of Soviet troops during the liberation of Germany: Irrecoverable losses - 101961 people, incl. killed, died from wounds and illness 92316 people. Sanitary losses - 262861 people, 241522 people were wounded, shell-shocked, frostbite. Total 364822 people.

                Reason: Russia and the USSR in the wars of the XX century. Losses of the Armed Forces. Statistical research. Under the general editorship of the candidate of military sciences, professor of the AVN, Colonel-General G.F. Krivosheev, Moscow, 2001. Page 449.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 1 February 2021 14: 31
                  0
                  Thank you, Sergey hi

                  It:
                  Quote: bubalik
                  Losses of Soviet troops during the liberation of Germany: Irrecoverable losses - 101961 people, incl. killed, died from wounds and illness 92316 people. Sanitary losses - 262861 people, 241522 people were wounded, shell-shocked, frostbite. Total 364822 people.

                  Reason: Russia and the USSR in the wars of the 2001th century. Losses of the Armed Forces. Statistical research. Under the general editorship of the candidate of military sciences, professor of the AVN, Colonel-General G.F. Krivosheev, Moscow, 449. Page XNUMX.
                  seems to be the most correct
            2. Bulair
              Bulair 2 February 2021 12: 17
              0
              I wonder where these 500 victims in Bulgaria come from?!?!? Yes, it seems much less, and even then, certainly not in battle. Here's an excerpt from http://macedonia.kroraina.com/rn/timofeev_2011.pdf:

              "For example, on the territory of Bulgaria
              the red army suffered serious losses
              ri after September 14 in warehouses in
              warehouses were discovered in the city of Burgas, where
              there were barrels of alcohol. Regiment Commander
              Major Prikhodko in the presence of his deputy
              regiment commander for the political part of Ry-
              Sina called the senior lieutenant of the medical service
              Dyachenko and ordered him to conduct an express
              analysis of the suitability of alcohol for consumption,
              saying, "You are a doctor, have a drink and say that
              this". Dyachenko refused to drink alcohol and left
              to check the quality of alcohol to the warehouse. Warehouse
              was taken under protection only on the morning of September 17
              rya, when it turned out that the alcohol in the barrels was not
              to be used internally. In re-
              as a result, for September 16-19, the garrison
              in Burgas from methyl alcohol poisoning
              suffered about 190 people, applied for
              medical assistance of 154 fighters and teams
              dirov, 120 were hospitalized, 6 patients
              sculpted and 42 died. "
              1. pytar
                pytar 2 February 2021 22: 55
                0
                I wonder where these 500 victims in Bulgaria come from?!?!?

                The Red Army had no combat losses in Bulgaria, since no military operations were conducted during its liberation. There is not a single documented case of Soviet soldiers who died in battle with the Nazis on the terra. Bulgaria.

                It is not entirely clear how the figures are formed in the document. request


                There are 180 monuments in honor of the Red Army in Bulgaria. 1 soldiers were buried, practically all non-combat losses.
                -Of these, about 30% died on the territory of Yugoslavia, but was buried in Bulgaria. Most of them died in the battles at Vrška Chuka.
                -The wounded in the battle for Belgrade were also taken to Bulgarian hospitals in view of their proximity to the battlefield. Some of them died from wounds.
                -About 30 were killed in plane crashes. For example, a Soviet Douglas A-26 Havoc / Boston with an 09 crew member crashed near the Yugoslav border at 20.
                -There is information about the victims of road accidents. While crossing the mountain passes, a truck with soldiers breaks down into an abyss. It is believed that 7-8 soldiers died, but 14 were buried under the monument.
                - Methyl alcohol poisoning was uncommon. A memorial plaque in Burgas lists 44 victims. Since the plate was installed many years later, two Soviet officers who were shot by a military court were probably added to it.
                -Included in the death toll and several tens of those killed during demining, with 1 fire and during training exercises from the composition stationed on the ter. BG Sov. parts.
                Those who died during the period of mutual neutrality / 22.061941/05.09.1944/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX /:
                -In the total number of submariners added 4 Soviet submarines blown up by mines. Another plane crashed in coastal waters for unknown reasons.
                1. bubalik
                  bubalik 3 February 2021 14: 42
                  +1
                  since no fighting took place upon her release

                  ,,, on release may or may not.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 1 February 2021 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        A gross mistake was the formation of a mono-national state of the MSSR instead of the multinational Russian Bessarabian province, where Moldovans constituted less than 50% of the population, by cutting off the Russian-speaking South of Bessarabia Budzhak (transferred to Ukraine).

        When was Bukovina cut off from the Bessarabian province?
        As for the "gross mistake", it was not only Moldova that was mistaken. It turned out worse with Ukraine.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 1 February 2021 20: 02
          0
          Quote: Flood
          When was Bukovina cut off from the Bessarabian province?

          What does it have to do with ... Bukovina?
          Quote: Flood
          As for the "gross mistake", it was not only Moldova that was mistaken. It turned out worse with Ukraine.

          And there and there they were grossly wrong.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 1 February 2021 22: 16
            -1
            Quote: Olgovich
            What does it have to do with ... Bukovina?

            Despite the fact that Bessarabia was cut off both from the north and from the south in favor of Ukraine.
            But even after that, Moldova was exceptionally multinational.
            For the first time I hear that Budzhak was Russian-speaking.
            Bulgarians, Gagauzians, Moldavians, Greeks and many others also lived there in the same way.

            Quote: Olgovich
            And there and there they were grossly wrong.

            Now it is already obvious that Ukrainization was the key mistake in the European part.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 2 February 2021 13: 03
              0
              Quote: Flood
              Despite the fact that Bessarabia was cut off both from the north and from the south in favor of Ukraine.

              Bukovina was part of And Hungary , not Russia (except for the Khotyn district)
              Quote: Flood
              But even after that, Moldova was exceptionally multinational.

              BUT! -Moldovans have become the MOST (75%) in the mssr
              Quote: Flood
              For the first time I hear that Budzhak was Russian-speaking.
              Bulgarians, Gagauzians, Moldavians, Greeks and many others also lived there in the same way.

              And also Germans, Serbs, Swiss, Franks, Arnauts, Russians, etc.

              And ALL of them appeared there with the annexation of the region to Russia, this is the most typical Novorossiya - with Maloyaroslavets, Borodino, Shevardino, etc.

              And absolutely ALL of them speak, first of all, in the RUSSIAN language (many do not know their own) - so they have been led for more than 200 years.
              Quote: Flood
              Now it is already obvious that Ukrainization was the key mistake in the European part.

              The indigenization of ALL the republics of the European part of Russia was a mistake, and Belarus, incl. etc.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 2 February 2021 13: 28
                -1
                Quote: Olgovich
                Bukovina was part of A Hungary, not Russia (except for the Khotyn district)

                I'm just talking about the Moldavian Bukovina. You have nothing against?
                Moreover, it historically belonged to the big Moldova.
                And only then to Austria-Hungary and Russian Bessarabia.
                Quote: Olgovich
                BUT! -Moldovans have become the MOST (75%) in the mssr

                Just like the Ukrainians in Ukraine.
                Quote: Olgovich
                And also Germans, Serbs, Swiss, Franks, Arnauts, Russians, etc.
                And ALL of them appeared there with the annexation of the region to Russia, this is the most typical New Russia

                Except perhaps the fact that Novorossia was not.
                This is not a typical Novorossiya, but a typical colonization option for RI.
                Quote: Olgovich
                The indigenization of ALL the republics of the European part of Russia was a mistake, and Belarus, incl. etc.

                Exactly. This is a SYSTEM error of the Soviet regime. And not an isolated case in relation to Moldova.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 2 February 2021 14: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Flood
                  I'm just talking about the Moldavian Bukovina. You have nothing against?
                  Moreover, it historically belonged to the big Moldova.
                  And only then to Austria-Hungary and Russian Bessarabia.

                  Moldova is not an independent state, and Hotin-do A of Hungary and Russia in general is purely TURKISH territory in the direct control of the Sultan-Khotyn Raya
                  Quote: Flood
                  As well as Ukrainians in Ukraine.

                  we are about moldavia, and why was it done?
                  Quote: Flood
                  Except perhaps the fact that Novorossia was not.
                  This is not a typical Novorossiya, but a typical colonization option for RI.

                  lol laughing
                  Find out WHAT is the Novorossiysk region of Russia:
                  «New Russiaconsisting of provinces Bessarabian, Kherson, Tavricheskaya, Ekaterinoslavskaya, regions of the Don Cossacks and Stavropol provinces, occupies the southern outskirts of European Russia, adjacent to the Black Sea and Manych. " (Russia. Full geographical description of our fatherland. Handbook and road book for Russian people / Edited by V. P. Semenov and under the general guidance of P. P. Semenov-Tyan-Shansky and V. I. Lamansky. - T. XIV. Novorossiya and Crimea
                  Quote: Flood
                  Exactly. This is a SYSTEM error of the Soviet regime. And not an isolated case in relation to Moldova.

                  and who is arguing?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 2 February 2021 14: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Moldova is not an independent state,

                    At the time of joining Russia? Yes.
                    But there were also more prosperous times in this sense.
                    What does it change? This rank can also dispute the belonging of the Serbian, Bulgarian and many other lands. Who have been under the Ottomans.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    and Khotin-do A of Hungary and Russia in general is purely TURKISH territory under the direct control of the Sultan-Khotyn Raya

                    Again, I don't understand why you are writing this. So that I know what the Turks were building fortresses on the occupied territories? This is how I know it.
                    As well as the fact that the Moldavian Chetatya Albă became the Turkish Akkerman, and then the Soviet Belgorod-Dnestrovsky.
                    Does this cancel out the fact that Bukovina was part of Moldova, and part of that Bukovina was part of Bessarabia?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    we are about moldavia, and why was it done?

                    Food for thought, maybe. Or maybe not.
                    Because it is obvious that there were much fewer ethnic Ukrainians. But the paper endured. Draw an analogy with the MSSR.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Find out WHAT is the Novorossiysk region of Russia

                    The Novorossiysk province existed until 1802, that is, before the annexation of Bessarabia. What does this tell you?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    and who is arguing?

                    It seems that you are arguing. I just wrote that this "gross mistake", which you mentioned earlier in relation to Bessarabia, was characteristic of Soviet nationality policy in general. And it caused much more serious damage to the statehood in the Ukrainian version.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 2 February 2021 14: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Flood
                      Again, I don't understand why you are writing this. So that I know what the Turks were building fortresses on the occupied territories? This is how I know it.

                      No, for AVs to know that RAYA is a TURKISH territory ruled by the Sultan, not Moldova
                      Quote: Flood
                      Because it is obvious that there were much fewer ethnic Ukrainians. But the paper endured. Draw an analogy with the MSSR.

                      no analogy: Ukrainians were forced, Moldovans were forced
                      Quote: Flood
                      The Novorossiysk province existed until 1802, that is, before the annexation of Bessarabia. What does this tell you?

                      undoubtedly_then she grew up in Bessarabia - from 1812 g-see. distribution above
                      Quote: Flood
                      It seems that you are arguing. I just wrote that this "gross mistake", which you mentioned earlier in relation to Bessarabia, was characteristic of Soviet nationality policy in general. And it caused much more serious damage to the statehood in the Ukrainian version.

                      WHO argues, I ask again, gle?
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 2 February 2021 15: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        No, for AVs to know that RAYA is a TURKISH territory ruled by the Sultan, not Moldova

                        Have you ever bothered to read the letters I wrote?
                        Very sorry. Otherwise, you would understand that this is not a secret for me.
                        As well as the fact that the Turkish find formed in all the Balkan lands captured by the Port. Does this cancel out the fact of the historical ownership of the lands?
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        no analogy: Ukrainians were forced, Moldovans were forced

                        And I will not captivate you. Think what you want. Yes, only I have no reason to trust your words without factual evidence.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        undoubtedly_then she grew up in Bessarabia - from 1812 g-see. distribution above

                        And I suggested that you think about it.
                        After all, the official administrative territorial unit is one thing.
                        Which, moreover, was much earlier.
                        And then it becomes clear why the entire region, which has expanded significantly, began to be called (not officially!) Novorossia for convenience. Similarly, any other territory that joined Russia could be called Novorossia. Within the meaning of. But not on a historical and geographical basis.
                        I was quite surprised at one time when I saw that in the Russian documents of that time they called the indigenous population of Bessarabia either Vlachs, then Romanians, or Moldovans.
                        To summarize, the spread of the ethnonym Novorossiya to Bessarabia is a forgivable simplification that has little to do with the historical background. In this case, the name takes on a broader meaning. And if Russia extended its borders to the Danube, then Novorossia would be unofficially called the Zaprut territory.
      3. zenion
        zenion 1 February 2021 21: 09
        +1
        It is much more profitable if Yeltsin did not drink, or drank less.
      4. Negruz
        Negruz 12 February 2021 13: 46
        0
        Hardly. Ukraine was expanded from all sides, for some reason it did not bring benefits
    3. 210ox
      210ox 1 February 2021 09: 06
      0
      For the fact that .. "Russians on the Prut-Romanians on Seret ..." This is already from 1944 ... wink hi
  3. k174oun7
    k174oun7 1 February 2021 06: 57
    +4
    The Germans, whose allies were Romanians during the war, said that Romanian tanks had 5 gears: one forward and four backward.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 1 February 2021 08: 10
      +4
      Quote: k174un7
      The Germans, whose allies were Romanians during the war, said that Romanian tanks had 5

      They joked about the Italians.
  4. tasha
    tasha 1 February 2021 07: 36
    +2
    138,4 tons of military bread (paine de razboi - it's hard to say what it is)
    Crackers?
    1. Liam
      Liam 1 February 2021 07: 50
      +3
      Quote: tasha
      138,4 tons of military bread (paine de razboi - it's hard to say what it is)
      Crackers?

      They are the most
  5. sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 February 2021 09: 49
    +2
    When studying the table, the term "squeezed out" pops up in the brain ...
    PS Especially the auto / motorcycle section.
  6. stoqn477
    stoqn477 1 February 2021 10: 47
    +5
    According to the second Vienna arbitration, on August 30, 1940, Romania ceded Northern Transylvania to Hungary, and on September 7, 1940, South Dobrudja ceded to Bulgaria. These territories were returned to Romania after the end of World War II.

    South Dobrudja was not returned to Romania after the war.
  7. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 1 February 2021 11: 12
    +3
    First, the return of Bessarabia occurred with the consent of Germany.
    .. This is not so, to some extent. Soviet Russia, and then the USSR, never recognized the occupation of Bessarabia by Romania, and, in fact, Germany, recognized the occupation of Bessarabia as illegal, on the basis of previously reached agreements. All that remained was for the USSR to de-occupy Bessarabia. The USSR did not ask Germany for permission to return its lands.
  8. Undecim
    Undecim 1 February 2021 12: 01
    +4
    An interesting question arises - what were these warehouses?
    The answer to this question has been known for 80 years.
    On June 26, 1940, Gheorghe Davidescu, the envoy of Romania to the USSR, was handed a note demanding a peaceful resolution of the Bessarabian issue. This was done personally by VM Molotov.
    The answer was to be given during June 27, 1940.
    The Crown Council was convened on June 27. Despite the fact that Karol II advocated resistance until the war, 16 members of the Council were in favor of concessions, and only 11 for the war. On the eastern border of Romania, a grouping of two armies was deployed - 20 infantry, three cavalry divisions and two mountain infantry brigades. They included about 450 thousand people, up to 60% of the entire Romanian army. Against them, the Soviet command deployed the Southern Front, consisting of three armies - 638 thousand men, 8415 guns and mortars, 2461 tanks, 359 armored vehicles, 2160 aircraft.
    At 23:00 on June 27, Davidescu met with Molotov and read him his government's response - he was evasive. On the one hand, Bucharest declared its readiness to accept all Moscow's demands, on the other hand, it offered to appoint delegates for negotiations. Molotov demanded a clear answer, since already on June 28, Soviet troops would begin preparations for the occupation of the territory indicated in the note of June 26, which they would occupy within 3-4 days. Consent to negotiate was not considered a positive response. In the middle of the night, Davidescu reported to Bucharest: the Romanian government had been granted an extension until 12:00 on June 28. The Soviet plenipotentiary was immediately informed about this. On June 28, a note was sent to Moscow - Bucharest accepted the demands of the USSR. The Romanian envoy handed it to Molotov at 11:00. At 14:00, parts of the Red Army began to cross the border.
    The Romanian troops for the most part fled, throwing down their weapons. Attempts to resist were few and short-lived.
    1. wehr
      1 February 2021 12: 14
      -1
      The political instructor, as always, knows best of all.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 1 February 2021 12: 23
        +1
        You don't need to be a political instructor to do this, just open the Moldovan school history textbook on page 219.
        1. wehr
          1 February 2021 12: 31
          -3
          Do you have a knowledge of history at the level of a Moldovan school textbook?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 1 February 2021 12: 40
            +4
            Dmitry, you are tormented by the insult that your "historical discovery" is 80 years old? This is a normal occurrence for a person who first entered the archives. Immediately a lot of new information and a desire to share it with others.
            However, you must always remember that in the overwhelming majority of cases you are not the first in this archive and the facts and events described by you before you have already been described by someone.
            1. wehr
              1 February 2021 13: 18
              +3
              It can be described in different ways. For example, to describe, creating a patriotic myth: they say, the Romanians fled and threw down their weapons. And put a link to the archive, into which the mass of readers, of course, will not go. And the documents say something else, that there was no escape, it was about warehouses.
              And if you think about it, you can't talk about flight if the withdrawal of troops was by decision of the government and by order. But the political instructor demands not to think, but to believe. laughing
              The warehouses that do not appear with a snap of the fingers are a reflection of Romanian plans earlier than the events described. To understand this, one has to think, but the political instructor does not order.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 1 February 2021 13: 51
                +6
                Have you decided to fight the "political instructors"? At the present time, it is quixotic, although worthy of respect.
                If we talk about flight, it was different. My grandfather participated in the annexation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR. Some units fled, some, like Romanian cavalrymen, retreated with fire.
                As for warehouses, there is nothing surprising in their presence. Judging by Romanian sources, there were still warehouses even of the Russian 6th Army with PMA, which the Romanians already considered their own.
                And then Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina were part of Romania for more than twenty years, bordering on the territory of a potential enemy. What is surprising about the organization of warehouses there and the deployment of troops?
                1. wehr
                  1 February 2021 15: 09
                  0
                  You always have to fight with political instructors. Otherwise, it will not be a scientific history of the war, but a collection of patriotic propaganda. A stupid meeting.
                  I do not believe such "grandfather's stories". This is not confirmed by anything, and could easily be invented. And even in his own handwritten memoirs there is the most unbridled fiction. Documents, please.
                  If you received an order to cross the border in two days, which is 60-70 km away from you, then how will you go to the wreck?
                  The warehouses are an expression of the plans of the Romanian command, which, it turns out, remain unknown to us. And in this story there are many unclear. Why were there hesitations? Why did they first prepare to fight and even pull up the troops? Why did you change your mind and what were the reasons for this?
                  Here it is - Epishevism. Even a small episode cannot be fully and accurately described, but only composed.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 1 February 2021 15: 13
                    +2
                    Here it is - Epishevism.
                    If instead of "Epishevism" there is "Verkhoturovism", it is unlikely that this will lead to the creation of a real story. The next throwing on the historical front, in which the main thing is the struggle and the desire to overthrow.
                    Even after the first visit to the archive.
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 February 2021 15: 56
    +5
    When "Icebreaker" was written, the protocols were not published yet
    Berlin negotiations Molotov-Ribbentrop late 1940.
    Rezun simply did not know the reason, but almost guessed it. Not Bessarabia, but Bulgaria.
    The reason for the breakdown of negotiations and the breakdown of the Soviet-German
    "treaty of friendship and border" was Molotov's demand for the transfer
    Bulgaria under the control of the USSR. This meant the exit of the Red Army to the Turkish
    straits and semi-encirclement of Romanian oil fields and factories.
    Hitler flatly refused. But Molotov behaved carelessly, joked, dared ...
    The Fuhrer did not understand humor ... he got mad and went to the General Staff to order to transfer
    Barbarossa's plan from strategic to operational.
  10. Bulair
    Bulair 2 February 2021 11: 38
    +1
    According to the second Vienna arbitration, on August 30, 1940, Romania ceded Northern Transylvania to Hungary, and on September 7, 1940, South Dobrudja ceded to Bulgaria. These territories were returned to Romania after the end of World War II.

    ... South Dobrudzha remained in Bulgaria - it's easy to check. ... Apparently, the rest of the historical facts in the article are of such "quality".
  11. alatanas
    alatanas 2 February 2021 14: 05
    0
    According to the second Vienna arbitration, on August 30, 1940, Romania ceded Northern Transylvania to Hungary, and on September 7, 1940, South Dobrudja ceded to Bulgaria. These territories were returned to Romania after the end of World War II.


    Romania is returning South Dobrudja to Bulgaria under the Craiova Treaty and not under the Vienna Arbitration.
    As a result of WWII, Y. Dobrudzha remains in Bulgaria.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Craiova
  12. nivander
    nivander 4 February 2021 09: 25
    0
    in our school, on the formation of a training company, there were always half a dozen "chushkano"
  13. Lew
    Lew 19 February 2021 08: 55
    0
    Please note that even under the Bessarabian province, the present Pridnestrovie was not included in it !!!
    And about Romania, you need to know that the first shot in their direction and they will smear their underpants again in the color of childish surprise. Therefore, even now Romanians must be harshly warned that they would no longer want to place amers on their territory. This can be done simply, if you saw a Romanian, hit in the face.
  14. Fedot Fedotov
    Fedot Fedotov April 1 2021 10: 03
    0
    As soon as I saw the emphasis on "Viktor Suvovrov is lying", I don't read anything further than this shit.
    Viktor Suvorov could be wrong and he was wrong, having as sources only the open Soviet press, and LIES brazenly and unceremoniously, for 70 years. Soviet "historians", whose faithful and consistent student, as I see it, you are.