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"Digital sovereignty of Russia": a fairy tale that should come true

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Between the devil and the deep sea



The IT entity has permeated our lives through and through. Smartphones, tablets, smart gadgets and computers connected to the World Wide Web have become an integral part of our being. Broadband internet has become as basic a necessity as hot water, sewerage and heating in your home. Moreover, in some regions of the world and in our country, access to the "web" has become primary. In households, they can be heated with wood-burning stove heating, but at the same time use quite modern fiber-optic communication. It would seem that there is nothing terrible in this - a person is organically included in the international agenda, is constantly in touch and has access to unlimited information resources. The only problem is that this cybernetic ecosystem does not belong to Russia. The entire multimedia Internet space around us is divided between the United States and China.

"Digital sovereignty of Russia": a fairy tale that should come true

More than 60% of all domains on the Internet are owned by American companies, and more than 50% of global video / audio content delivery networks are also owned by the USA. Transnational giants like Google and Facebook are now competing on an equal footing with world governments. Let's remember the recent history with the blocking of Twitter by President Donald Trump - in this case, the private IT office turned out to be more powerful than the country's first person. At least in the ability to convey your thoughts to the people. The American establishment will be poked at this precedent by foreign critics for a very long time, in particular, experts of the Valdai International Discussion Club in their report “International Competition and Leadership in the Digital Environment”. The authors A. Bezrukov, M. Mamonov, M. Sushentsov in their work quite realistically highlighted all the threats lurking around the loss of the country's “digital sovereignty”.

The events of January 23, when hundreds of thousands of adolescents from all messengers and social networks called for "walks", became an excellent litmus test of what is happening in the country. Despite the fact that a large part of such calls have been blacked out from the network, Russia's vulnerability to the “orange revolutions” controlled from abroad remains very acute. But more on that below.


China is doing well in the ongoing IT struggle with the United States. Of course, the introduction of a ban on Youtube and the creation of the "Great China Digital Wall" is too radical for the freedom-loving West, but Beijing has certainly achieved its goal. They manage not only to slow down the American expansion into their own territory, but also to go on the offensive. In general, rivalry in the information sphere is very similar to the logic of military operations. The United States has seized the Middle East's information market with the hands of its tech giants. China is responding by developing 5G networks in Germany, Hungary and 45 other countries around the world. An illustrative example is TikTok, China's first truly sensational breakthrough in information technology. In the United States, now one in three consumes the content of this social network, and its influence on the minds and hearts of Americans is only increasing day by day. Back in 2019, The Guardian accused ByteDance (the owner of TikTok) of lobbying China's foreign policy and censoring content that was not desirable for Beijing. Of course, content that Beijing does not want is very much in line with the foreign policy of the United States. The tension was growing, and Trump ordered to buy the social network from the Chinese due to the fact that the application

could provide China with access to personal and proprietary information of Americans, potentially allowing it to track the whereabouts of federal employees, file for blackmail and conduct corporate espionage.

It was in this phrase that the President of the United States revealed the essence of the threats posed by social networks against national security. At the same time, ByteDance is registered in the Cayman Islands, and the servers are controlled by the transnational Alibaba Group. By the way, the Americans did not manage to buy the popular social network.

Lack of digital sovereignty


In Russia, TikTok was destined for an even more sinister role as the mouthpiece of the teen revolution on January 23rd. At the moment, more than 100 million views have collected numerous videos explaining how, where and when to go on the notorious protest "walks". And even though some of them are recorded exclusively on the "hype", but a large share was the result of a complex and clearly planned action. The public, television and government agencies with a great delay realized the danger of the once harmless and stupid "toy in a smartphone". TikTok's defamatory content has poured from television screens, which only adds to the platform's popularity. The forbidden fruit is known to be sweet. And it is very difficult to close the Chinese network now. Firstly, all Google and Apple app stores are outside the Russian jurisdiction. And secondly, users can easily bypass most of the restrictions using VPN mode. Thirdly, for full-fledged protection, you will have to build your own "Great Firewall", and these are huge resources and an ambiguous reaction from the public. In the best case, the story will repeat itself with Telegram, which was banned in vain and for a long time, but in the end was allowed with great reputational losses. After that, does anyone still have doubts about the need for Russian "digital sovereignty"?


Source: securitylab.ru

Even if you try not to pay attention to all sorts of TikTok, Instagram and YouTube (which, of course, is impossible), then you can not hide from software solutions, for example, SAP, Oracle, CISCO and Microsoft. If this software at one point turns out to be inoperable in Russia, then the consequences may well be catastrophic. Disconnection from the notorious payment system SWIFT, which has been frightening the country since 2014, paralyzes all exports.

But this is only part of the problem. The second no less important threat to Russian national interests was the catastrophic lag in the field of microelectronics. At one time, the Soviet Union fully provided itself with such technology, albeit not the most advanced in the world, but quite bearable. Now, the products of Russian microelectronics, according to Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, are not even present in world statistics! It is pointless to talk about how critical the lag in the field of "computer hardware" will be for the country's defense. It is impossible to create high-tech electronic components weaponswithout having the technologies for the development and production of civil digital integrated circuits. And this, it should be noted, is very expensive. For example, the Taiwanese company TSMC plans to build only one factory in the United States by 2029 to assemble microcircuits with topological norms of 5 nm, worth 20 billion dollars.

Light at end of tunnel


A picture painted in dark colors needs to be refreshed with notes of optimism. In the story of Russia's “digital sovereignty”, not everything is in dense negativity. First of all, the country has its own popular platforms, such as VKontakte and Odnoklassniki, which can create real competition for foreign social networks. The Gosuslugi website, with its two trillion visits annually, is the world's most popular public services platform. According to analysts of the Valdai Club, the share of the digital economy in Russia's GDP is growing every year, and by the number of Internet users the country is in the world Top-10. In the end, two financial and technological corporations, Yandex and Sberbank, are being created in the country, whose ecosystems will soon include almost the entire life of a Russian - from taxi and pizza delivery to buying real estate and listening to music. On this basis, it is quite possible to prepare an invasion of the domain of the US and China IT giants.


Source: ixbt.com

With "computer hardware" everything is more complicated. On the one hand, the state will invest up to 800 billion rubles in the next four years in the development of Russian microelectronics. There are plans to create factories working with topological norms of integrated circuits from 5 to 28 nm. But on the other hand, the allocated money may not be enough - the mentioned company from Taiwan has laid a larger budget for only one 5 nm microcircuit factory. Or, for example, the 22nm POWER8 processor from IBM was worth $ 2,4 billion. In general, the average cost of developing one processor reaches three billion dollars. And this is in the presence of the necessary production base, that is, roughly speaking, machines. In Russia, it was decided to create, practically from scratch, a whole line of domestic integrated digital microcircuits for just $ 11-12 billion. The second reason why a large-scale program can turn into another Rusnano is the main contractor, the state corporation Rostec. Once again we are stepping on the old rake, entrusting innovative products to government-run companies, rather than announcing fair competitions and tenders for the best ideas. Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?
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  1. Proton
    Proton 1 February 2021 05: 54
    +35
    The absence of real production and normal competition nullifies all dreams of "independence" in the manufacturing industry. This applies not only to the IT sphere, but also to many other sectors of the economy.
    Unfortunately.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 1 February 2021 06: 15
      +31
      What independence to talk about if all developments and components are Chinese and American ...
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 1 February 2021 06: 39
        +23
        the mentioned company from Taiwan has laid a larger budget for only one 5 nm chip factory

        I would note that TSMC purchases ready-made equipment from ASML for this money, which no one will sell to Russia for obvious reasons. Therefore, to the cost of the equipment itself, it is necessary to add an order of magnitude more painful cost (and time) to develop the appropriate equipment - and you can, in principle, go to drink beer. The task is unbearable, no matter what the officials write in their bright plans and strategies.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 55
          +12
          Quote: military_cat
          The task is impossible, no matter what the officials write

          And if you also "just talk", and no one is going to strain, then no prospects at all ... and you don't want to drink beer either - it is "similar to natural" ... this is not beer but ...
          1. Civil
            Civil 1 February 2021 07: 58
            +7
            It's funny ... all the technology and controls, as well as the US "machines" themselves
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 1 February 2021 08: 02
              +2
              Quote: Civil
              all technologies and control, as well as the "machines" of the USA

              Well, if only the task is to do and hand over "on a turnkey basis" .. although of course it is unlikely ... just some kind of body movements need to be done ... well, at least the language then.
              1. A1845
                A1845 1 February 2021 10: 25
                +11
                At one time, the Soviet Union fully provided itself with such technology, albeit not the most advanced in the world, but quite bearable.
                yes - for the production of household tape recorders, and what happened in the defense industries is a far from ambiguous question
                Disconnection from the notorious payment system SWIFT, which has been frightening the country since 2014, will paralyze all exports.
                a hasty conclusion, if at least one VTB has a correspondent account and communication even by telex, then there will be no stupor
                TSMC plans to build only one 2029nm chip assembly factory in the US by 5
                by the year 29 this is unlikely to be relevant
                First of all, the country has its own popular platforms, such as VKontakte and Odnoklassniki, which can create real competition for foreign social networks.
                a little not about that, YouTube and tiktok are video hosting sites, our mail and Yandex have not yet created anything competitive
                the state will invest up to 800 billion rubles in the next four years in the development of Russian microelectronics
                the budget will be spent! Chubais and Rogozin are guarantors of that!
                There are plans to create factories working with topological norms of integrated circuits from 5 to 28 nm.
                "My dear plans are feasible" (V.Vysotsky) Who will sell us lithographic equipment? there were just one or two manufacturers, and everything was under the hood, even Huawei, with almost unlimited resources of China, could not do anything
                Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?
                and this is not a topic, alas .. Where are payment services (albeit with a gradually emerging ecosystem), and where is the semiconductor industry?
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 1 February 2021 10: 43
                  0
                  You are the wrong addressee.
                2. Genry
                  Genry 1 February 2021 13: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: A1845
                  yes - for the production of household tape recorders, and what happened in the defense industries is a far from ambiguous question

                  tape recorders were produced by the defense industry. Take any brand - a conveyor belt in a closed enterprise.
                  Quote: A1845
                  by the year 29 this is unlikely to be relevant

                  If the base is 5nm, then by increasing the number of masks, much less is possible. Although, already farther / less nowhere - rests against the physical limit of the size of atoms in the lattice.
                  Quote: A1845
                  the budget will be spent! Chubais and Rogozin are guarantors of that!

                  This has nothing to do with electronics ...
                  Quote: A1845
                  Who will sell us lithographic equipment?

                  You can do it yourself, since the direction of the solution is already known and does not require scientific research and groping for technologies.
                  Quote: A1845
                  Where are payment services (albeit with a gradually emerging ecosystem), and where is the semiconductor industry?

                  If you do not know and do not use "payment systems" then this does not mean ....
                  So they took up microelectronics. For the military, space and the public sector, they will do it quickly enough, and household appliances will appear as needed.
                  1. A1845
                    A1845 1 February 2021 13: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Genry
                    the tape recorders were produced by the defense industry
                    I know perfectly well what kind of reel was made at our serial factory. And I know perfectly well where the capabilities of our component base ended


                    Quote: Genry
                    Who will sell us lithographic equipment?

                    You can do it yourself

                    you can grow potatoes on Mars, unfortunately only in fantasies

                    Quote: Genry
                    If you do not know and do not use "payment systems" then this does not mean ....

                    I can enlighten you about a lot in this area

                    with respect hi
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 1 February 2021 14: 03
                      -4
                      Quote: A1845
                      the coil was made in our serial factory. And I know perfectly well where the capabilities of our component base ended

                      Are you talking about lamps? wink
                      1. A1845
                        A1845 1 February 2021 14: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Genry
                        Are you talking about lamps? wink

                        iron logic episode 133 if anyone knows winked
                      2. Genry
                        Genry 1 February 2021 14: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: A1845
                        iron logic episode 133

                        In everyday life? In a tape recorder? Gold plated planar numeral? I don’t know that.

                        Although if doorbells were made on the K580vm80 ...
                      3. A1845
                        A1845 1 February 2021 15: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Genry
                        Quote: A1845
                        iron logic episode 133

                        In everyday life? In a tape recorder? Gold plated planar numeral? I don't know that ..

                        in the article we are discussing, it was not about everyday life,
                        yes - for the production of household tape recorders, and what happened in the defense industries is a far from ambiguous question

                        although today, when smartphone processors are the first to receive new technical processes, the term "household goods" is filled with a new meaning
              2. boni592807
                boni592807 3 February 2021 00: 58
                0
                Genry, Feb 1, 2021 13:21 PM, NEW -

                1.Quote: А1845 - Who will sell us the lithographic equipment?

                You can do it yourself, since the direction of the solution is already known and does not require scientific research and groping for technologies.

                2. Quote: А1845 - Where are payment services (albeit with a gradually emerging ecosystem), and where is the semiconductor industry?

                If you do not know and do not use "payment systems" then this does not mean ....
                So they took up microelectronics. For the military, space and the public sector, they will do it quickly enough, and household appliances will appear as needed.


                Dear colleague, Genry, February 1, 2021, to your answers, my "5 cents" - hi

                to 1 - As a student in 1974-78 in a technical school at a military-industrial complex plant (studied including GIS and BGIS), and then worked there ... Yes, they lagged behind and but worked .. incl. and how we have them during the GORBY period and then China. And by 1985 there were a lot of things, but at least not in the first 3 ... Including. sure were (is) a start... look at our current (and not only!) tanks, aerospace forces, etc., much more developments of the USSR. By the way, strange, but in the 90s on TV there were sometimes a series of docum films "History of Forgotten Victories". There sometimes, even for me, there were old Know-Hows with a Huge perspective (but pushed aside by the "wisdom" of the hands-va or the lack of technical capabilities of that time). I understand, the current state of education, schools, but direction, money ...Incl. ... the road will be mastered by the walking! And what are the options if we don't decide ?! AFTER RI, 1 MV and civil before WW2 (WWXNUMX) were able to industrialize. yes

                k 2 - VT for "probable partners" (USA) during the USSR period won, incl. that used the use of a dual-use element base ie VT (military-industrial complex) "pulled" the civil sector, where the element base was used, incl. and for the US Army VT... After all, the production of GIS (BGIS) was still mainly robotized (ACS) back then. It is possible to run an IC with a full "set" of layers on the substrate and technology sv-in on one thread. It is possible with a partial functionality of a citizen. The question is in the worked out line and software, materials, trained personnel. Yes, the PURCHASING ability (for dual use) is also important. But the Russian Federation also has options for double (raising salaries for citizens of the Russian Federation - pensions - buying a citizen (its own) or partners who want ours, including VT. A VT and US civilian equipment (consumer goods) of the 70-80s was massively in EUROPE and beyond. Except for those who COULD use the 2nd technology to the detriment of the USA (military and civil products). The USSR was among THEM. But, VT was not worse from this (in comparison with the USA). But, prices, and even now THEY are, not least ...
                Yours faithfully, ... hi
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 February 2021 20: 01
              -1
              Who will sell us lithographic equipment? The program implies their own creation from here and the amount of 800 billion - but the creation of microprocessors in Russia is much cheaper than in the West, they have 2,5 billion dollars - we have 3 billion rubles a contract with MCST and Elvis and another manufacturer for the creation of new microprocessors has been concluded ...
              1. dSK
                dSK 1 February 2021 22: 08
                -1
                Quote: Vadim237
                a contract with MCST and Elvis and another manufacturer for the creation of new microprocessors was signed.

                And what's the delivery time, 2030 ?? Is it possible to mass drones like in Turkey? How to "stuff" them ...
              2. vadimtt
                vadimtt 2 February 2021 14: 42
                +1
                Your EUV 5nm lithograph for a measly 800 billion? By the way, will the managers develop and do it? laughing
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 3 February 2021 14: 56
                  -1
                  In Russia, lithographers can create and produce themselves - this will be much cheaper in cost than foreign manufacturers, since our wages are much lower now in the world market there is only one monopolist with 85% of the entire market for the production of this equipment.
                  1. vadimtt
                    vadimtt 3 February 2021 15: 17
                    0
                    Can not. That's the trick. It could be at a level, it seems, 350 nm. Then they scored and everything became imported.
                    In addition, with silicon wafers, not everything is simple, although it would seem, just sand.
                    I am already silent about special chemistry.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 1 February 2021 06: 44
    +10
    Okay, if it only concerns the household component. But when does defense depend on a foreign manufacturer? In fact, why then puff your cheeks, talking about "digital sovereignty"?
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 56
      +11
      Quote: 210ox
      In fact, why then puff your cheeks, talking about "digital sovereignty"?

      For the electorate ..
    2. Genry
      Genry 1 February 2021 13: 25
      -2
      Quote: 210ox
      But when does defense depend on a foreign manufacturer?

      For example?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 1 February 2021 15: 28
        +5
        "Elbrus". No, huh? Made in Taiwan.
  3. bk316
    bk316 1 February 2021 10: 47
    +4
    if all developments and components are Chinese and American ...

    Chinese components DO NOT interfere with writing your own software in ANY way.
    The same American computers DON'T BE without Chinese components.
    It didn’t stop them from writing the same morpbook.

    It is strategically good to have the production of a full line of components for computer technology. However, this is a task of an uncertain future, moreover, it is not clear how it will be solved economically. Therefore, now it is enough to conduct R&D on HT. And to produce BT on the basis of the results of these R&D works in small series for the security forces. This is done. So you're lying about the development.
  4. Vadim237
    Vadim237 1 February 2021 19: 55
    +1
    Russia is one of the few countries in the world that develops microprocessors itself - so the words of the author. - "Create practically from scratch" Has nothing to do with reality. There are 3000 offices in Russia that are engaged in this area.
  • user
    user 1 February 2021 21: 34
    +2
    The absence of real production and normal competition nullifies all dreams of "independence" in the manufacturing industry.


    The protection of state independence in such an area does not particularly need what you have listed above, although of course it improves the quality. Because everything described above will have to be built from scratch and with a perspective, that is, there is no such technological production in the world, it is just being created. In addition, patent law will allow the United States to block any even supposed cooperation with the Russian Federation in this matter. But with science in this area, we are fine, although there will always be a person who will dispute this and claim that we are not even catching up with the Chinese.

    As for the article itself.

    Disconnection from the notorious payment system SWIFT, which has been frightening the country since 2014, will paralyze all exports.


    After that, it became funny.

    Well, after

    Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?


    in general it became clear, the author is not even in the subject.

    If anyone does not understand, I will explain.
    The Russian Federation has created its own payment system, there are of course clumsy things, but this is only because in the country it is not the only one and is not obligatory for everyone. Because in addition to all kinds of undercurrents in the management of the country, political will and expediency are needed for such decisions, but nothing more.

    As for the second statement, I would like to ask the author if he knows who owns what share in these two companies? Who is the ultimate beneficiary?
    Although, of course, there are problems in this area and they are serious. But this is just a problem of investment in this area, this only applies to our country, other countries have their own problems that are much more complicated. Although my conclusions will surprise someone.

    So, after all the events during the American elections and the entry into force of the latest amendments, our president's hands were untied and the entire ruling elite was faced with a tough choice.

    We are just waiting to see if the instinct of self-preservation will work for the ruling elite or under the general hooting and shouting - Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood, as in the beginning of 1917, will destroy the country.
    1. ANB
      ANB 2 February 2021 01: 16
      0
      .
      If anyone does not understand, I will explain.
      The Russian Federation has created its own payment system

      I will add. The payment system has been created. And 2: for transfers and cards. Most banks use Swift for currency transfers, it's stupid so as not to redo their software. But swift is not a payment system.
  • Keer
    Keer 2 February 2021 03: 15
    0
    The destruction of high-tech production at the level of small and medium-sized businesses, not out of malice, perhaps even, but out of greed and stupidity.
  • tasha
    tasha 1 February 2021 05: 56
    +5
    At one time, the Soviet Union fully provided itself with such technology, albeit not the most advanced in the world, but quite bearable.
    A very controversial statement. Recently, there has already been a serious discussion about electronics. Most often, "such a technique" was a clone of a foreign model.
    Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?
    These companies develop software; as far as I know, they have nothing to do with the production of microcircuits.
    With "computer hardware" everything is more complicated.
    Incredibly harder. I think that it is already useless to catch up and create similar production facilities. Only new principles, new technologies ... And with this - the trouble ...
    1. for
      for 1 February 2021 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      Most often, "such a technique" was a clone of a foreign model.

      That now a square wheel should be chob on theirs was not similar, but what about nuclear weapons.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 1 February 2021 11: 45
      +1
      Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?
      Isn't Yandex a branch of Sberbank? It seems that Sberbank bought it out recently.
      1. tasha
        tasha 1 February 2021 12: 09
        +1
        News 06. 2020

        “Yandex has also been actively developing its own ecosystem in recent years. At the same time, its structure is in many ways similar to that which is being built with Sberbank partners. As a result, at some point it became clear that the services of the two systems were in fierce competition with each other. , which ultimately led to the breakdown of relations between Yandex and Sberbank. "
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 10
          0
          Quote: tasha
          News 06. 2020
          I flew by. Thanks!
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    3. Genry
      Genry 1 February 2021 13: 34
      0
      Quote: tasha
      I think that it is already useless to catch up and create similar production facilities.

      Do you think that semiconductors will disappear from use? In vain - what will you replace them with?
      And if new principles do appear, they will be produced on the same lines, which cannot grow technologically anywhere and all that remains is to modernize.
      1. tasha
        tasha 1 February 2021 14: 18
        +3
        Do you think that semiconductors will disappear from use?
        I do not think so.
        I think that if we start to create our own equipment for the production of semiconductor components, we will still not keep up with the rest of the world. It's just because of the different amounts of resources involved.
        "At the beginning of January 2021, it became known that 17 EU member states signed a declaration in the amount of 145 billion euros for the development of new generation processors. Funding is designed for two to three years and will go to the development of cost-effective processors with data protection function and the development of lithographic technologies with standards up to 2 nm inclusive. This declaration is intended to bring Europe to the first place in the development and production of semiconductors. "
        1. Genry
          Genry 1 February 2021 14: 30
          -1
          Quote: tasha
          I think that if we start to create our own equipment for the production of semiconductor components, we will still not keep up with the rest of the world. It's just because of the different amounts of resources involved.
          "In early January 2021, it became known that 17 EU member states signed a declaration in the amount of 145 billion euros for the development of new generation processors.

          Somehow you heap the production and development of processor cores.
          Russia has several of its CPU architectures with a guarantee of no bookmarks. It remains only to resolve the issue with their serial or mass production.

          And needless to say that this will require the development of its own software - this is just a transition from Windows to the new GNU platform (or, unlikely, BSD).
          1. tasha
            tasha 1 February 2021 14: 53
            +2
            Not currency. This is to compare the funds that are allocated.
            The CPU architecture is there. And that's just with "their production" problems.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 1 February 2021 06: 01
    +3
    Despite the fact that a considerable part of such calls were blacked out from the network,

    Curious who was blotting out? The network is Chinese - means the Chinese?
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  • Alien From
    Alien From 1 February 2021 06: 04
    +9
    This celebration of life has passed us by, those in power in the high-tech sphere have missed!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 1 February 2021 08: 07
      +14
      Quote: Alien From
      This celebration of life has passed us by, those in power in the high-tech sphere have missed!

      Telegram and Vkontakte brainchild of Durov. Instead of creating comfortable working conditions for him, our government forced him to leave the country. This is our attitude towards talents.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 1 February 2021 11: 49
        -4
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        our government forced him to leave the country
        He was not involved in the authorities, but Durov's visep about May 9, several years ago, responded by deleting his VK account (his network was).
      2. Genry
        Genry 1 February 2021 13: 40
        -5
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Instead of creating comfortable working conditions for him, our government forced him to leave the country.

        He himself created a conflict situation with key security certificates, therefore it was not resolved in Russia. Although in the USA he provided everything ...
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 1 February 2021 14: 52
          +5
          Quote: Genry
          He himself created a conflict situation with key security certificates, therefore it was not resolved in Russia. Although in the USA he provided everything ...
          Any talented person has a complex character, but what did you want? To appoint your own person from the FSO, who knows how to skip the puck on time, from whom is that all? problem solved. No, it doesn't work everywhere. Landau was also conflicted, but Comrade Stalin ruled, and not at all through the NKVD and bans.
          As for the United States, show me some evidence. Durov denied it
  • tasha
    tasha 1 February 2021 06: 09
    +13
    After that, does anyone still have doubts about the need for Russian "digital sovereignty"?
    Evgeny, it seemed to me that everything was mixed up with you. Access to foreign network resources - separately, the use of foreign software - separately.

    The "digital sovereignty" performed by our officials is limited by prohibitions and restrictions. So they understand better ...
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 1 February 2021 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: tasha
      ".... sovereignty" in the performance of our officials is limited by prohibitions and restrictions. So they understand better ...
      Quote: Proton
      This applies not only to the IT sphere, but also to many other sectors of the economy. Unfortunately.
    2. Genry
      Genry 1 February 2021 13: 46
      -4
      Quote: tasha
      The "digital sovereignty" performed by our officials is limited by prohibitions and restrictions. So they understand better ...

      More specifically pzhlsta. And then, like foreign intelligence services: # we_ have_ evidence_ but we_ won't show them.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 February 2021 06: 20
    -2
    "Digital sovereignty of Russia": a fairy tale that should come true

    So, most of them will have exactly the same problems!
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 1 February 2021 06: 20
    +15
    Yandex and Sberbank are huckster usurers who buy up successful projects and exist at the expense of percentiles. There will be no breakthrough.
    1. Ruby
      Ruby 1 February 2021 09: 10
      +7
      They are not alone. All large companies follow this path. American tech giants are also buying up startups in batches. Two tasks are being solved in a way. Developing your own business and destroying potential competitors in the bud.
      1. Genry
        Genry 1 February 2021 13: 54
        +2
        Quote: 7,62x54
        Yandex and Sberbank are huckster usurers who buy up successful projects and exist at the expense of percentiles.

        It's just that the bank already needs these technologies for its work, and the general technological IT sector still does not produce such a base for ready-made solutions - it has not matured.
        Quote: Yakut
        American tech giants are also buying up startups in batches.

        Here is just a way to invest money, counting on: "let something go off"
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 1 February 2021 06: 22
    +16
    Quote: tasha
    These companies develop software; as far as I know, they have nothing to do with the production of microcircuits.

    Besides, for the production of microcircuits one needs to have technologies and equipment. And who will sell them to us? Chinese? They believe that they are much more interested in our lag in this area than the Americans. That means ourselves, from scratch. And from what zero? Do we have specialists? There are not even schoolchildren capable of becoming such specialists. The USE system completely burned out this field. So it turns out that 20 years ago, when the crazy petrodollars appeared, in order to increase the defense capability, it was necessary to invest not in the production of obsolete iron, but in education and science.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 06: 59
      +1
      Quote: syndicalist
      In addition, the production of microcircuits requires technology and equipment.

      As well as the scientific and technological school .. And here, as I understand it, "the connection of times is broken" ..
    2. your1970
      your1970 1 February 2021 07: 46
      -2
      Quote: syndicalist
      There are not even schoolchildren capable of becoming such specialists. The USE system completely burned out this field.

      And in the USSR, why weren't these schoolchildren ???? !!!! Why was it possible anecdote about "... And the batteries on the back of the cart !!!" ?????

      I will not go into the jungle, on an urgent call in Kushka, our battalion commander BUiAR heavy-killer art regiment had an artillery computing (a trophy given to him by someone).
      This pribluda about the size of a ream of A4 paper made it possible to enter the initial coordinates of the path - to get the coordinates of the end point.
      WITHOUT JIPIES .... but very accurate. ... ! !!
      And now we are looking at our native analogue of this pribluda ...
      Oh yes, it's still the same native UAZ-loaf with a bunch of equipment but less accurate
      That is semi-wild(really !!!) Pakistan could do this for the military - and the mighty space USSR mastered miniaturization only to the level of an UAZ loaf ????

      It was weak in the USSR if not to make microcircuits - so at least bring the UAZ to mind? At least make a diesel on it ???? Not enough oil dollars ?????
      1. AUL
        AUL 1 February 2021 09: 42
        +5
        Quote: your1970
        And in the USSR, why weren't these schoolchildren ???? !!!! Why was it possible anecdote about "... And the batteries on the back of the cart !!!" ?????

        It began with the days when cybernetics was declared "the pseudoscience and the corrupt girl of imperialism." And when they realized that this was not entirely true, the train had already left. And, it seems, forever ...
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 1 February 2021 11: 06
          +3
          In those days, cybernetics meant something completely different - pseudo-scientific fiction in short - and for more pressing matters there was the term informatics - and it was not in the corral.
          1. AUL
            AUL 1 February 2021 13: 21
            +2
            Quote: evgen1221
            In those days, cybernetics was understood as something completely different - pseudoscientific fiction is shorter

            Why did you get this?
            1. evgen1221
              evgen1221 1 February 2021 14: 21
              +3
              From what such a definition in the book of the 30s read.
              1. AUL
                AUL 1 February 2021 20: 58
                0
                And I heard such a definition live, but much later.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 16
        -1
        Quote: your1970
        half-wild (really !!!) Pakistan could do that for the military
        Here you, in my opinion, have gone too far. Did they do it completely, completely without the USA?
        1. your1970
          your1970 2 February 2021 06: 05
          0
          Quote: sniperino
          Quote: your1970
          half-wild (really !!!) Pakistan could do that for the military
          Here you, in my opinion, have gone too far. Did they do it completely, completely without the USA?

          Doesn't it bother you that for this you need to have at least a factory for assembling these gadgets and trained personnel in Pakistan?
          Aren't you confused by the prevalence of this stray in spirits?
          Aren't you confused by the presence of the senior lieutenant of the SA and the absence of the army as a whole?

          I won't even remember about diesel in UAZ ... We can fly into space, we can do it on a tank, UAZ - 0, grand zero, impossible ... the dream of any military supplier is a single fuel with less consumption, more effort, and more a bunch of buns - it turned out to be impossible for the USSR
    3. victor50
      victor50 1 February 2021 09: 37
      +8
      Quote: syndicalist
      So, by ourselves, from scratch. And from what zero? Do we have specialists? There are not even schoolchildren capable of becoming such specialists.

      A little over 300 years ago, we did not know how to build a fleet and do a lot of things. There was a solution. and 100 years ago - engines, for example, aircraft and others. They also decided. If there was a will, everything can be solved. In the second half of the 20th (and in the late 40s) they did not hesitate to get advanced technologies in any way, to steal. If we do not look for excuses that it is unprofitable for us to produce it, etc.
      1. tasha
        tasha 1 February 2021 09: 56
        +9
        At a certain stage, stealing is useless if you don't have your own technological level.
        See, you will see, and when you try to copy it will look like this:
        1. victor50
          victor50 1 February 2021 13: 28
          0
          Quote: tasha
          Stealing is useless at a certain stage

          And stealing was not a key word and a call to act in the only way. laughing Didn't the rest of the examples from history interest you? They just led to the emergence of their specialists in areas that were actually hitherto unknown. Weren't these the right steps? Or can't they be used now? And come up with something new?
          1. tasha
            tasha 1 February 2021 13: 55
            -3
            Are you not interested in the rest of the examples from history? They just led to the emergence of their specialists in the fields. Weren't these the right steps
            What are the examples, what are the steps?
            1. victor50
              victor50 1 February 2021 18: 42
              0
              Quote: tasha
              What are the examples, what are the steps?

              Actions of Peter, Soviet power.
              1. tasha
                tasha 2 February 2021 04: 31
                0
                You write, "Weren't these the right steps? Or you can't use them now?" I am very interested in what steps, actions of Peter, the Soviet government you propose to pay attention to and use them now.
                1. victor50
                  victor50 2 February 2021 07: 46
                  +1
                  Attracting foreign specialists, copying, for example.
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 2 February 2021 08: 02
                    -1
                    My friend, if ships are built from wood all over the world, then foreign experts will help. If the tanks are made of steel all over the world - you can copy. But in electronics, things are a little more complicated. Roughly speaking, we have straw, but they don't sell us wood ...
                    1. victor50
                      victor50 3 February 2021 18: 18
                      0
                      Quote: tasha
                      My friend, if ships are built from wood all over the world, then foreign experts will help. If the tanks are made of steel all over the world - you can copy. But in electronics, things are a little more complicated. Roughly speaking, we have straw, but they don't sell us wood ...

                      Do you think we are so stupid that we can do only from straw and wood, as in your photo? And no foreign specialists can already train us? It seems to me that you yourself understand that you are wrong, but you do not want to admit it. I know we can. Copy for example. Or are we initially more stupid than the Chinese? It seems to me that this is not so. If it were so, then the backwardness of the once underdeveloped countries would be constant, without exception.
                      1. tasha
                        tasha 4 February 2021 05: 14
                        0
                        Do you think we're so dumb
                        I don't think so, but I am already starting to think.
                        Just trying to explain to you what's what.
                        I know we can. Copy for example.
                        What, what do you suggest to copy?
                      2. victor50
                        victor50 4 February 2021 12: 00
                        0
                        Quote: tasha
                        I don't think so, but I am already starting to think.
                        Just trying to explain to you what's what.

                        Did not work out. Excuse me.
                        Quote: tasha
                        What, what do you suggest to copy?

                        Everything you need. Or almost everything.
                        And the first thing that needs to be done is to return our specialists, talented young people who have dispersed around the world, so that they work for Russia, here and now, no matter what the cost.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 1 February 2021 10: 24
    -4
    Quote: syndicalist
    Quote: tasha
    These companies develop software; as far as I know, they have nothing to do with the production of microcircuits.

    Besides, for the production of microcircuits one needs to have technologies and equipment. And who will sell them to us? Chinese? They believe that they are much more interested in our lag in this area than the Americans. That means ourselves, from scratch. And from what zero? Do we have specialists? There are not even schoolchildren capable of becoming such specialists. The USE system completely burned out this field. So it turns out that 20 years ago, when the crazy petrodollars appeared, in order to increase the defense capability, it was necessary to invest not in the production of obsolete iron, but in education and science.

    There are slightly different Wishlist on the forum. Some time ago they promoted the idea that it would be necessary to invest more in the army, and health care and education need to be cut
    1. ANB
      ANB 2 February 2021 01: 25
      0
      ... There are slightly different Wishlist on the forum. Some time ago they promoted the idea that it would be necessary to invest more in the army, and health care and education need to be cut

      Not. We need to invest more in military education.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 1 February 2021 11: 58
    0
    Quote: syndicalist
    They believe they are interested in our lag in this area
    We, unlike many countries, have something to exchange, in those areas where we are ahead and not only the Chinese. A good exchange is understandable to the Chinese.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 1 February 2021 06: 23
    +12
    "Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?"
    Correctly! These will steal money much faster and more thoroughly! laughing
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 1 February 2021 08: 53
      +1
      The question is not about what will be stolenthe question is that there are no EXTRA COMPUTER CAPACITIES in the country to SUPPORT OWN SOCIAL MEDIAit is necessary to build at least five "Lomonosov" ones, then it will be possible in ten years (the approximate time to create your own "windows" from scratch) to start talking about the sovereignization of the IT space
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 00
      0
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      and more thoroughly!
      More professional, one might say.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 February 2021 06: 30
    +5
    At one time, Khrushchev fought so hard against cybernetics, considering it a Western pseudoscience that the USSR lagged behind in this industry for decades. In the 21st century, they did not attach the necessary importance to IT technologies, especially in the information and ideological sphere, believing that the West has enough, but now they naturally grabbed their heads. And again you have to catch up, but how long will it take?
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 1 February 2021 08: 03
      +7
      At one time, Khrushchev fought against cybernetics, considering it a Western pseudoscience

      Selling girl of imperialism!
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 02
        0
        Quote: Dimy4
        Corrupt girl of imperialism
        This is about genetics, and cybernetics is pseudoscience, such as astrology with palmistry.
    2. Siberian54
      Siberian54 1 February 2021 09: 01
      +6
      He did not fight, these were elements of a cover operation for the most powerful analog computer on the Eurasian continent, we lagged behind because of the delay (damn poverty!) Of the transition to digital and excessive secrecy.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 1 February 2021 10: 28
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      At one time, Khrushchev fought so hard against cybernetics, considering it a Western pseudoscience that the USSR lagged behind in this industry for decades. In the 21st century, they did not attach the necessary importance to IT technologies, especially in the information and ideological sphere, believing that the West has enough, but now they naturally grabbed their heads. And again you have to catch up, but how long will it take?

      Yes, God be with you. Khrushchev was removed in the 70s and the first PCs appeared in the late 80s. And before that, everywhere, including ours, there were quite successfully large computers
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 1 February 2021 10: 36
        0
        You can read the comment carefully. I repeat:
        ... Khrushchev fought cybernetics so hard, considering it a Western pseudoscience that the USSR lagged behind in this industry for decades. IN 21th century did not attach the necessary importance to IT technologies, especially in the information and ideological sphere ...
        And here is the time of the emergence of the PC and cybernetics, as a science?
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 35
        -1
        Quote: Pilat2009
        we had large computers quite successfully
        And every year our weak currents became stronger and stronger?
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 1 February 2021 06: 36
    +9
    Interesting chatter in terms of the concerns of those in power ... In my understanding, all their concern boils down to the fact that high-tech ecosystems have appeared that do not belong to the ruling class, are financially free from the state budget, have OWN technologies and developed infrastructure with a motivated engineering corps .. . WELL SUCH TURNOVER swims past their little hands. And the raider seizure will not work (it’s stupidly not enough brains), because they have already grown like a neural network throughout the ball, being at the same time, AT THE SAME TIME, in different sectors of the jurisdiction, including technological and intellectual capacities. Let me remind our anxious how they taxed office equipment imported into the country - in normal countries the state paid extra and stimulated, we were taxed by raising the final price for the consumer - our caring ones.
    “Why not entrust the competition to the two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?” - I completely agree with this postulate because give this direction to professionals who have proven their professional suitability. Elbrus in a frame - "bantha" is missing from the side of this innovation wassat
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 1 February 2021 06: 44
      +17
      A Russian official is really only capable of prohibitions, restrictions, and he is able to impose taxes .... this cannot be taken away from them! And how to do so penniless dumb .... ate laughing
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 February 2021 07: 01
        +6
        Quote: Popuas
        ate

        As you put it neatly and culturally for a warrant officer ..
  • mark1
    mark1 1 February 2021 07: 07
    +12
    Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - ... and Sber?

    Gref or what? wassat
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 1 February 2021 07: 11
      +4
      I do not think that the infrastructure of Sberbank was created by Gref.
      1. mark1
        mark1 1 February 2021 07: 17
        +10
        And I think - the conventional Gref has become too much (and how much is still ahead ...) ... Meanwhile, we are worried about the Americans.
      2. for
        for 1 February 2021 10: 09
        +2
        Quote: viktor_ui
        Sberbank infrastructure was created by Gref

        What's so special about it? We can say forcibly pushed everyone there, helped to remove competitors.
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui 1 February 2021 10: 57
          0
          you are confusing infrastructure (technical equipment including real estate) with monopolization of services.
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 45
        0
        Quote: viktor_ui
        I don't think that the infrastructure of Sberbank was created by Gref
        It is important not only who created it, but also who and in whose interests will use it.
  • Antidote
    Antidote 1 February 2021 07: 11
    +9
    And again the damned imperialists influence the minds, but instead of fighting the reasons, we will simply ban the Internet. The flawed thinking is incredible.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 1 February 2021 07: 11
    +2
    ..two financial and technological corporations Yandex and Sberbank are being created in the country, whose ecosystems will soon include almost the entire life of a Russian ...

    That's for sure..
    On this basis, it is quite possible to prepare an invasion of the domain of the IT giants of the United States and China.

    Ha, who will let ..?
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 February 2021 07: 25
    +2
    Here the author correctly noted - the competitive system. To manage the Internet by a command administrative system simply will not work. And nowhere is this and not. There are general wishes of the management.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 1 February 2021 07: 34
    -2
    "Disconnection from the notorious payment system SWIFT, which has been frightening the country since 2014, will paralyze all exports."
    For several years, in the mind of the layman, SWIFT has become a superweapon.)))
    It is better not to touch upon what you know only from the stories of dubious experts. There is no such thing as why they haven’t been disconnected yet. If they have been frightening since 2014, then the shutdown will have little effect.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 1 February 2021 10: 57
      +5
      Maybe the time has not come yet.
      You will need to disconnect.
      1. Gene84
        Gene84 1 February 2021 12: 15
        +2
        They are unlikely to be turned off. Then they will have to leave the Russian market. Are they ready to lose a sales market for products such as Russia?
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 1 February 2021 12: 34
          +1
          As far as I understand, this is about the same as disconnecting Russia from international payments in dollars. The US has a good income from this, they take 0,2% of all transactions concluded in dollars. Russia will cease to export goods, and this is primarily oil and gas. Prices will skyrocket around the world. Therefore, it is not yet time for them to do this. And they don't. But for the complete destruction of our state at the right time they can.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 1 February 2021 07: 41
    +11
    The author seems to have started on the case, and finished, give the money to the collection and Yandex. Fuck and not get up ... Development of butts and operation of servers did not even come close to developing hardware and system software. If the author was not too lazy, he would have found on the network those who make hardware and system software, that is, the very basis of IT. A good attempt, but no success.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 1 February 2021 07: 56
    -14%
    Rostec ... an adequate office .. and the differences from Sberbank and Yandex! where foreign owners are!
    1. Antidote
      Antidote 1 February 2021 11: 11
      +5
      Rostec crushes everything that somehow tries to generate income, while not producing anything at all, except for a sieve for money. What is the adequacy?
      Legalized takeover of businesses by a close friend you know who.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 53
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      Rosteh
      How are things with their Axis, does it lag?
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 1 February 2021 13: 11
        +1
        What is their axis? And then almost a dozen forks of forked forks of Linux have already been declared Russian)))
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 1 February 2021 13: 17
          0
          Quote: UserGun
          This is their axis
          Not an axis, but an axis. Once I put it, the fonts were poor out of the box, like Alta, but Basalt seemed to be doing better, I especially liked the starterkits, so I ask how the Axis is. And don't snort about forked forks.
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 1 February 2021 13: 33
            0
            Why can't we snort about forks ?! They really stopped counting them))) Or Occam's rule stopped working? Damn, leave a dozen of them, there will be more and more sense than scattering around the counters and reserved corners, producing the same thing and announcing the loud name of the OS.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 1 February 2021 13: 35
              0
              Quote: UserGun
              Why can't we snort about forks ?!
              As much as you like, but it was about something else, from the word "completely different."
          2. nsm1
            nsm1 1 February 2021 18: 26
            -2
            Quote: sniperino
            the fonts were poor out of the box
            Put one package and that's it.
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 1 February 2021 13: 33
          0
          Quote: UserGun
          And then they have already announced
          By the way, the Axis is one of Mandriva's heirs, on which Russian programmers also worked.
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 1 February 2021 13: 41
            -1
            And after all, the Mandriva was not announced to the French OS))) Debian, a red hat with a gentu p @ Ndos, African ubuntu, German sushi and only in Russia there are almost a dozen forks RUSSIAN! ))) And now Rostekhov's "heir", and read - a fork and this fork is a fork of another fork))) And you think that this is not funny?
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 1 February 2021 13: 50
              0
              Quote: UserGun
              And you think it's not funny?
              Absolutely. Even your sense of humor surprises. Forks can improve the axis, making it more convenient for different categories of users, eliminate lag, etc., but they can also worsen. And the subtle definitions between axes, forks, clones do not bother me at all.
              1. UserGun
                UserGun 1 February 2021 14: 14
                -1
                Quote: sniperino
                And the subtle definitions between axes, forks, clones do not bother me at all.


                Yes, how thin ... Very thick. Well, whoever knows the topic, he knows, but ordinary citizens sometimes truly believe))) This is what Rostec and other state offices with propaganda use. "Breakthrough"))) And then the same citizens here carry a blizzard about the "Russian" OS and spaceships plowing the vastness of large and small theaters)))
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 1 February 2021 14: 22
                  0
                  Quote: UserGun
                  citizens here are blizzard about "Russian" OS
                  No blizzard. Eagle is not a debian for you. This is so that any civilian service does not seem like honey.
                  1. UserGun
                    UserGun 1 February 2021 14: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Eagle is not a debian for you


                    Okak! And how does he differ from the good old debian, with whom I have been so historically tied for so many years? Pomegranates, oh! dpkg on the wrong system? )))
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 1 February 2021 14: 40
                      0
                      Quote: UserGun
                      And how does he differ from the good old debian
                      Read the comment until the end. The answer was close. True, the debian is also not without its copyright cockroaches, but these are flowers, and the eagle is a berry.
                      1. UserGun
                        UserGun 1 February 2021 16: 34
                        -1
                        Flat roll, round one? ))) Yes, then definitely the Russian OS))) You can be "proud" in advance!
                      2. sniperino
                        sniperino 1 February 2021 17: 09
                        0
                        Quote: UserGun
                        exactly Russian OS
                        Is the dew Russian? Good axle. The viola is not bad, but, pakkudnik, unloaded third-party programs every time, such as paromTV, when turned off on the laptop.
                      3. UserGun
                        UserGun 1 February 2021 17: 24
                        0
                        You see, sniperino ... Linux is cosmopolitan. What is the nationality of the OS that was not originally no! Karl, nationality? Do you think people in the world do not pay attention to such quirks about "Russian" forks? You are wrong as far as I know. And Rosa ... So, too, a fork of the mandriva, which, as I already wrote, no one even stuttered to call the French axis)))
                      4. sniperino
                        sniperino 1 February 2021 17: 32
                        0
                        Quote: UserGun
                        Linux is cosmopolitan. What is the nationality of the OS
                        The OS has none, but the creators of any assembly have citizenship. The point is only that in Russia there are smart IT-schnicks who are able to create suitable systems. Everything.
                      5. UserGun
                        UserGun 1 February 2021 17: 37
                        0
                        No, not everything))) This is how they create, if everything has already been created ?! A couple of lines of code, to a gigabyte created before them and oops !!! The system is ready !!! ))) Well done !!! #Linuxnash))) No, well, cho, such spisialists will go far)))
                      6. sniperino
                        sniperino 1 February 2021 17: 39
                        0
                        How many axles are there in the world if such a booze has gone?
                        A couple of lines of code
                        is this a joke, can you already laugh?
                      7. UserGun
                        UserGun 1 February 2021 18: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        How many axles are there in the world if such a booze has gone?


                        Well, if regarding Linux, then remove the kernel and ...))) Linux (TM) belongs to the US citizen Linus Torvalds))) It turns out that there is only one Linux OS;) Nobody even considers distributions))) Moreover, they are usually forks of forked forks. And the distribution kit is just software distribution form ))) "OS" they are called for some reason only in Russia))) No, well, what about? With a focus on the "future"! )))

                        Quote: sniperino
                        is this a joke, can you already laugh?


                        Alas. This happens quite often. Especially in a "separate civilization". Over there, a citizen in a thread, positioning himself as a programmer, for some reason called the MSTT distribution for Elbrus "Elbrus Gnu"))) And to my question, why the packages of this distribution in the .deb format did not answer)))
                      8. sniperino
                        sniperino 1 February 2021 18: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: UserGun
                        It turns out that there is only one Linux OS
                        Are you sure you are not confusing the kernel with the axis?
                      9. UserGun
                        UserGun 1 February 2021 18: 19
                        0
                        If you have not read before, then I will repeat

                        Quote: UserGun
                        remove the kernel and ...)))


                        Funny, huh? No, well, you can take Hurd! ))) But again step on the same rake)))

                        So what do you have "yours"? Two-three fully their (and even then questionable) utilities and applications? And you call this Russian "OS"?
                      10. nsm1
                        nsm1 1 February 2021 18: 36
                        -2
                        Antiviruses, kotlin, tarantool, clickhouse, mandatory system in astra ...
                        No worse than other comparable countries.
                      11. UserGun
                        UserGun 1 February 2021 18: 51
                        +1
                        In-in !!! As I said exaggeratedly, a couple of utilities))) Well, four or five, if this "progress" calms you down))) Let's remove them from the Russian "OS" and what do we get ?! Such a distribution kit will not work? Yes, it will be exactly the same, "condo" "own" software who needs to be replaced with a similar one)))

                        Quote: nsm1
                        No worse than other comparable countries.


                        And other countries, as I said, call Linux "their" national OS ?! ))) Seems to me they are still smarter.

                        In general, the paragraphs are arranged in which your dashing answers are drowning in banal questions .. Goodbye.
                      12. sniperino
                        sniperino 1 February 2021 19: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: nsm1
                        Antivirus
                        Kaspersky, by hearsay, is almost the best in the world.
                    2. sniperino
                      sniperino 1 February 2021 19: 05
                      0
                      Quote: UserGun
                      remove the kernel and ...
                      Do not take it far away, count in MB how much the kernel weighs and how much OS with some LightDM. You can't get off with a couple of lines of code. All software is ported from binaries to the installation system, to the framework (gentoo, for example, cut qt4 at all, some programs do not work), etc. But if you really want to, consider that there are 4 operating systems. Although, DOS and Windows are one system, or is it different?
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 1 February 2021 08: 11
    +5
    Can give relief in information policy, and not prohibit YouTube ?! Stay with only state channels, Solovyov and Kiselev ?! - horror-horror, turn the whole country into a madhouse
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 1 February 2021 08: 37
      -9
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Can give relief in information policy, and not prohibit YouTube ?!

      Do you use it? Disgusting platform. Removes half of the rollers. On soap, and even better, though VO is not adapted to play video from it. For this reason alone, I still use YouTube.
      1. Pavel Vladimirov
        Pavel Vladimirov 1 February 2021 09: 39
        +5
        Deletes which videos on which topics?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 1 February 2021 09: 42
          -4
          Quote: Pavel Vladimirov
          Deletes which videos on which topics?

          Mainly concerned about copyright, as well as by "numerous requests of workers." Under these pretexts, there is a manipulation of the consciousness of users.

          By the way, there are no special problems to play videos from other video hosting sites on VO. You just need to add a couple of lines of code. However, we have what we have ...
        2. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 1 February 2021 19: 11
          0
          Removed clip Sabaton showing footage from a movie about the Crusaders. After the persistent requests of the Muslims offended by this clip.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 1 February 2021 19: 53
            +1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Removed clip Sabaton showing footage from a movie about the Crusaders. After the persistent requests of the Muslims offended by this clip.

            This?!
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 1 February 2021 20: 01
              0
              He is! I saw him a couple of years ago (in an old apartment, I remember) and he disappeared along with several clips from nordfront and a couple of other bands. And then I read that YouTube is fighting extremism wassat ... Nordfront then appeared briefly, but was quickly drank. Bagodar!
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 February 2021 20: 11
              +17
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              They gave a clip of Sabaton showing footage from a film about the crusaders. After the persistent requests of the Muslims offended by this clip.

              Notable clip. good echoes with Kinchev Then it is necessary to devilishly prohibit Richard the 3rd and the entire Catholic Church. Burn books, films and other husks.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 1 February 2021 20: 26
                +2
                Burn books, films and other husks.
                The religiously offended have their own groups in the muzzle book, and if one finds a clip that is not respectful enough to them (as they themselves think), he posts to the group and all members laughing of this group (and this is often several thousand) run and complain about this clip. Somehow they are trying to make the Internet halal. Since they have already spread everywhere, any author from any country that they do not like can fall under the persecution.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 1 February 2021 14: 11
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        Disgusting platform. Removes half of the rollers
        And if it does, then all videos with ideologically significant content for them are subject to optimization-pessimization. Sharp steamer.
    2. ZAV69
      ZAV69 1 February 2021 08: 55
      -6
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Can give relief in information policy, and not prohibit YouTube ?!

      Or maybe it's better to create a YouTube deanomization system and death squads? Otherwise, attempts to play with a sharpie at his table will not lead to anything good.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 1 February 2021 10: 02
        +3
        Quote: ZAV69
        Or maybe it's better to create a YouTube deanomization system and death squads? Otherwise, attempts to play with a sharpie at his table will not lead to anything good.
        Understood nothing wassat What squadrons? Which cheat?
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 1 February 2021 11: 33
          -3
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Understood nothing What squadrons? Which cheat?

          Why is there anything incomprehensible? Have you ever wondered what YouTube videos are fussing about in your feed? I've never been interested in bulk and similar content, so it gets to my feed regularly, such as recommended.
          The information war against Russia does not stop for an hour. And the videos are pushed into the feed, and the counters of the necessary videos are spinning in the "right" direction, and the blocking of state channels, and it is not clear how the rights to the anthem and patriotic content get to American companies. Is this all by itself or what happens? No, this is because Google is controlled by the US intelligence services. In this situation, Russia is completely draining on this field. Brains are washed efficiently.
          And the squadrons ..... Take an interest in the history of El Salvador. I think that if the gavnoblogger who rivets another attack on Russian history knows that they will come for him, he will think 10 times, is it worth it?
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 1 February 2021 12: 29
            +4
            Well, you don't like Google, use Orthodox Yandex and rutube))) Or do they not work like that? ))) There, your brain will be Orthodox washed)))
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 1 February 2021 12: 39
              +1
              Quote: UserGun
              use Orthodox Yandex

              On the runet, Yandex searches better than Google, I use it with pleasure
              1. UserGun
                UserGun 1 February 2021 12: 58
                +2
                Well, why then, in that case, are you writing nonsense about Google in vain? I do not like? Use another. It's like newspapers, books, etc., etc. For example, I did not like the newspaper Pravda, Gudok, Znamya Truda, I read others.
                1. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 1 February 2021 15: 19
                  -1
                  Quote: UserGun
                  Well, why then, in that case, are you writing nonsense about Google in vain?

                  What nonsense am I writing? Google is the owner of YouTube. Where is nonsense here? Google is located in the United States. Where is nonsense here? And the fact that Google cooperates with the special services of the country of residence is obvious
                  1. UserGun
                    UserGun 1 February 2021 16: 39
                    -1
                    Trouble ....))) You even, probably, and a tourist in the pagany United States ordered the way))) There are special services !!! ))). You probably wear a foil hat too, no?
            2. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 1 February 2021 19: 14
              +1
              use Orthodox Yandex
              Which is actually Dutch laughing
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 1 February 2021 12: 35
            +2
            Quote: ZAV69
            Why is there anything incomprehensible? Have you ever wondered what YouTube videos are fussing about in your feed?
            Nobody fusses me about anything .. I myself watch the channels that I want - Shevchenko's channel, Semin, Glavtema people, Badcomedian and others ... and in my feed I have the corresponding videos.
            Quote: ZAV69
            And the squadrons ..... Take an interest in the history of El Salvador.
            this is fascism, and I am against fascism
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 1 February 2021 20: 39
              +1
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Nobody fusses me about anything .. I myself watch the channels that I want - Shevchenko's channel, Semin, Glavtema people, Badcomedian and others ... and in my feed I have the corresponding videos.

              Say no fuss? They just didn't pay attention.
              Here is the first experiment, we exit the profile

              Rain plot about the protests in the upper left corner
              second experiment, just looking for "cinema" on YouTube
              a couple of times lisanul, and here it is, the film of the bulk, the plot of the mesh about the real palace will also have to look, and this dirty trick on the move climbs


              And a few days ago, there was a video of Navalny from the court right on the main page, I had to charge a complaint, I don't need this
          3. sniperino
            sniperino 1 February 2021 15: 03
            0
            Quote: ZAV69
            and the counters of the required rollers turn in the "right" direction
            Also interesting are their likes counters under comments and algorithms for sorting comments by time.
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 1 February 2021 11: 12
      -5
      Where to then relax? We do not have state channels, but federal ones. They do not belong to the state, they earn money from advertising. Who pays the money and calls the tune. The state has only one stick, it can take away the license, but this particular jamb should be at the TV channel. And even censorship is prohibited.
    4. sniperino
      sniperino 1 February 2021 12: 58
      -1
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Can give relaxation in information policy
      Strongly weakened, and you can put it in your pants. Are you shaking here?
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  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 1 February 2021 08: 11
    +4
    Yandex and Sberbank are such loyal authorities, I really can't. Yandex especially.
  • Pavel Vladimirov
    Pavel Vladimirov 1 February 2021 09: 38
    +1
    It seems that if the Internet rallies for Navalny are turned off, they will be more massive.
  • MrFox
    MrFox 1 February 2021 09: 49
    -2
    In the end, two financial and technological corporations, Yandex and Sberbank, are being created in the country, whose ecosystems will soon include almost the entire life of a Russian - from taxi and pizza delivery to buying real estate and listening to music. On this basis, it is quite possible to prepare an invasion of the domain of the IT giants of the United States and China.

    I read - laughter chokes. Are we going to invade with pizza and Kirkorovs? It is clear that Sberbank will only be a cover, all technology will be bought in the West.

    It is necessary to ban state corporations from working in IT. There is no need to cook steel here, the head should cook
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 1 February 2021 13: 00
      -1
      Quote: MrFox
      It is necessary to ban state corporations from working in IT
      And legalize marijuana, right?
      1. MrFox
        MrFox 1 February 2021 13: 13
        +1
        On this issue, contact your specialized medical institution. You will be helped
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 1 February 2021 15: 26
          -2
          Quote: MrFox
          You will be helped
          Info, I hope, verified, not some kind of advertising ...
      2. UserGun
        UserGun 1 February 2021 16: 51
        +2
        But why legalize it, if they even smoke it here without hiding))) One has only to read the comments)))
  • for
    for 1 February 2021 09: 59
    +4
    Sberbank and Yandex that he made a particularly supernatural taxi, food delivery, taking money.
    Our social networks who are from the top in them? All in foreign networks, and Medvedev was so obviously engaged in advertising.
    The digital economy is what it really produces.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 1 February 2021 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: for
      The digital economy is what it really produces.

      As one of the elements - the transfer of information.

      Management is an informational process. The digital economy allows for faster delivery of information i.e. manage faster, take control from those who use more backward means, and carry out management in their own interests. For comparison, the transfer of information: by pigeon mail and through the Internet - through the Internet faster and more coverage. In any confrontation, the winner is the one with the higher information exchange rate.

      In order not to be controlled from outside, we ourselves must be at our best.

      As an example:
      Trump won with information and lost with information.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 1 February 2021 10: 02
    +6
    "Titans" Yandex and Sberbank? Without Windows they turn into deaf-mute paralytics. All about processors .. and we do RAM, motherboards, hard drives? I haven't heard of any of them.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 February 2021 10: 52
    +5
    A fairy tale is a fairy tale.
    Were there several Russian platforms like Rambler? Where are they? money was laundered, that's all.
    There were iPhone killers. there.
    There were Elbrus. Where are they? far away, because stand like a good computer assembly.
    There were reports about the launch of microcircuits in Zelenograd. money was laundered, that's all.

    And who "should" (become a reality), they have forgiven for a long time ..
  • bk316
    bk316 1 February 2021 10: 52
    +4
    ... Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?

    Do you propose to Yandex and Sber to engage in the development of a microelectronic base and a promising VT?
    It's a pity this last phrase, I would not have read the article first. This can only be written by a person INFINELY far from IT.
    The development of high-level actually applied software and the development of BT have NOTHING in common.
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 1 February 2021 12: 24
      -1
      Quote: bk316
      The development of high-level actually applied software and the development of BT have NOTHING in common.


      Quite right. Only this is true in another world, as our leader of a "separate civilization" says))) So there will be nothing in this, simply decaying, "separate civilization". Only "breakthroughs"))) On paper and in a duroscope, with talking heads.
      1. bk316
        bk316 1 February 2021 15: 23
        +1
        Therefore, in this simple decline, "separate civilization" nothing will happen.

        You, like all non-specialists, confuse electronics and computer technology. And the article is not even about VT, but about software, or rather even about the use of software.

        There is no need to rush and shout all wasted. The development of VT is quite normal in the country.
        Taking into account the failure in the 90s and the chronic backwardness of the USSR, I would even say it is well conducted.
        The question of electronics and, in particular, of the element base, I would generally put out of the brackets.
        The USSR has always lagged behind in the element base by 5-10 years. It was not because of this that it collapsed.
        And we can ensure media sovereignty with the element of the previous generation.

        You need to think about something else at all,
        - you need to provide a full software stack
        -It is necessary to organize the production of their communication equipment
        -It is necessary to build a data center
        -It is necessary to provide the software infrastructure of your Internet

        Instead, I hear, including on VO, screeching about plans to censor the Internet by the bloody regime. It's like the internet was originally uncensored and anonymous. am
        Maybe the orgy with Trump will correct someone's brains, though .....
        1. UserGun
          UserGun 1 February 2021 16: 47
          0
          Aaaaaa ....))) You, too, are building a "separate civilization" ?! ))) Excuse me, but all that you so arrogantly listed, too, yourself, in a "separate civilization" with a hatchet? No, well, you have already assigned the software, calling it "Russian"))) Well done! cho))) Less lisping, tyrim everything)))
          1. bk316
            bk316 1 February 2021 17: 00
            0
            No, well, you have already assigned the software, calling it "Russian"

            And why are KAV or Elbrus-D not Russian?
            Well, data centers, Rostelecom, for example, you can look at the Internet in real life, then no one will let you in ... I don't know what they scoffed at, but it turned out well.
            1. UserGun
              UserGun 1 February 2021 17: 15
              +1
              Duc OS for a few people who need a stone for some reason is not at all its own))) No, I certainly understand;) that having written a couple of libraries for pagan Debian, originally from the hated USA, I just want to crow - MY !!! But here's how something doesn't add up))) Have you looked at the packages for this miracle on the MSCT website? And somehow I was honored. The truth is there only for x86 is free))) but I doubt that there will be differences in the sorts))) No, well, they stole and steal, so at least share the code with the saint in accordance with the licenses and just like a human))) Load the same compiler , if you want people to reach out to you))) After all, somehow it turns out strangely that you want to conquer the world, but you don’t want to share "yours")))
              1. bk316
                bk316 1 February 2021 17: 22
                0
                that having written a couple of libraries for pagan Debian

                In general, past 00950 has nothing to do with Linux
                Linux elbrus is 00333, but not debian, but wildebeest.

                If you are not lying, therefore, you have not seen anything that
                The truth is there only for x86 free


                And if you are making an emulator for x86, then what's the point of writing your own OS, nothing else will start there. That's why I wrote about the full stack, if that tells you anything.
                1. UserGun
                  UserGun 1 February 2021 17: 33
                  0
                  Okak! Well, let's start)))

                  Quote: bk316
                  Linux elbrus is 00333, but not debian, but wildebeest.


                  This is which Elbrus Linux (TVGI.00333) ?! ))) And why does Elbrus "gnu" have packages .deb ?! )))
                2. UserGun
                  UserGun 1 February 2021 17: 53
                  0
                  Quote: bk316
                  In general, past 00950 has nothing to do with Linux


                  Come on! ))) Hey-hey !!! )))

                  By the way, at the moment, I'm broadcasting to you with Debian 10, yes))) Sometimes I remember the old and reboot with the good old Windows))) I even know how to prepare a kernel in Genta))) If only there was a library for the compiler)))
              2. Aprivas
                Aprivas 4 February 2021 20: 43
                0
                Well, play your toys in Windows. And I design airplanes on Debian ...
                1. UserGun
                  UserGun 4 February 2021 21: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: Aprivas
                  Well, play in Windows with your toys.


                  Huh! ))) This is how toys are played even in the Russian Federation)))

                  System requirements for T-FLEX CAD
                  The minimum
                  Operating system: Windows 7 x64 (with Service Pack 1)
                  Processor: Intel or AMD with SSE3 support
                  Amount of RAM: 2 GB
                  Free disk space: 3 GB
                  Video card: video card with support for OpenGL 3.3 or higher
                  Recommended
                  Operating system: Windows 8.1x64, 10 x64
                  Processor: Core i5 or higher
                  Hard disk: SSD storage
                  RAM: 16 GB or more
                  Graphics: NVIDIA high performance graphics card
                  or AMD with 1GB or higher memory, and
                  OpenGL 4.2 and higher support
                2. UserGun
                  UserGun 4 February 2021 21: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: Aprivas
                  And I'm on Debian


                  It should be zhe ...))) After such a statement, we must prostrate ourselves in front of you ?! )))

        2. MrFox
          MrFox 1 February 2021 20: 39
          0
          -It is necessary to organize the production of their communication equipment

          I'm sorry, what? )) Ask Cisco for network cards? )

          The American radio station Harris has an encryption chip that operates at a speed of 300 Mbps. What are you going to do with this, introduce a ten-year-old FPGA that you have barely mastered just now?

          Nobody is interested in applied software. Pay money, programmers in bulk
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 1 February 2021 10: 53
    0
    Quote: Crowe
    What independence to talk about if all developments and components are Chinese and American ...

    Today, yes, this is not achievable, but this does not mean that there is no need to develop in this direction. The road will be mastered by the walking one. Steps in the right direction are made and this is important. You need to accelerate, you need your own network of servers / data centers and your own software, of course. While this is / is being done in the defense sector, there is still a lot of work in the civilian sector, but as you can see, there is already progress in this direction. And to give all this at the mercy only to Sberger and Yandex is not far-sighted, it can turn out like with a chubaty nanotechnology, that is, money is almost a waste. And time is running out for us. The World Wide Web should consist of sovereign "cells" of the network, and not be monopolized by one or two centers. hi
  • Tagan
    Tagan 1 February 2021 11: 40
    +2
    Quote: Herman 4223
    Maybe the time has not come yet.
    You will need to disconnect.

    So what? Back in the early 2000s, many Russian commercial banks did not have the opportunity to work directly with SWIFT, but there were ways to interact with foreign banks. SWIFT is a transport system, the absence of which implies other ways of interaction (passing transactions)
  • UserGun
    UserGun 1 February 2021 12: 05
    -1
    Once again we are stepping on the old rake, entrusting innovative products to government-run companies, rather than announcing fair competitions and tenders for the best ideas. Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?


    And why do we need these contests, tenders ?! They are needed only for government offices))) Why sing old songs about the state, which should be everywhere, in any hole? Why not just let people work? Why do we need 100500 restrictions and prohibitions?

    And finally, about the "titans"))) There is such software for web servers, which runs most of the web servers on the web - ... Read about the conflict between its creators and Rambler))) Maybe you have something that will appear in your head, how rotten everything in this country in this regime.
  • UserGun
    UserGun 1 February 2021 12: 12
    0
    Quote: Vlad5307
    and not be monopolized from the centers of 1-2.


    So it is not monopoly controlled anyway. The fact that our little four-legged friends are talking nonsense to you from duroscopes does not mean at all that this is true)))
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  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 February 2021 16: 18
    +2
    Yeah ... the "innovative" Yotafon has already been made somehow (and that one was produced in Taiwan), but where is it now? And yes, what happened to Angstrem who was picking something up on AMD's gravestones? unfortunately in microelectronics we are hopelessly behind even India
    1. bk316
      bk316 1 February 2021 17: 02
      0
      And yes, what happened to Angstrem

      Nothing happened - it works belay
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 1 February 2021 19: 22
        +2
        How can you work if he is still bankrupt and unprofitable? Although, if you pour loot into it from the closed part of the budget, then it probably "works"))) The authorized capital is already 100000 rubles! https://www.spark-interfax.ru/moskva-staroe-kryukovo/ao-npo-angstrem-inn-7735575858-ogrn-1117746142502-14fb3392a3a34fcc886496d463adff91))) Yomayo ... this is some kind of pathetic IP cooler than this office Horns and hooves ", judging by this" capital ")))
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 February 2021 20: 08
      +1
      Angstrem T went bankrupt - they were poking around with its introduction for too long, the sanctions helped and how they built it turned out that there is no demand for their 65nm - the military has its own and the citizen does not need a fuck.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 1 February 2021 19: 50
    0
    Quote: UserGun
    Quote: Vlad5307
    and not be monopolized from the centers of 1-2.


    So it is not monopoly controlled anyway. The fact that our little four-legged friends are talking nonsense to you from duroscopes does not mean at all that this is true)))

    The entire network is built on servers - whoever is their owner is in charge of the process and, if desired, a certain group of people will easily twist the hands of everyone else. Yes, it will be rather difficult to get around this and do not believe that the Internet lives on its own - nonsense from those who do not want to advertise their leadership role, as they say.
    everything has its own owner, even if he does not protrude yet. wassat
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 1 February 2021 20: 02
      -1
      Quote: Vlad5307
      The whole network is built on servers


      Well, what kind of servers are these on which the network is built? Enlighten the "weak-minded" us)))
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 1 February 2021 20: 05
    +1
    Guys, it is useless to puff up in these conditions - in this area we have lagged behind the advanced countries FOREVER. And the longer the ban on the sale of electronics to us, the worse and worse all our equipment will be, even military equipment.
    There is only one way out: we need smart people and a correct plan to mobilize the country's resources, and not stupid "May decrees" about "there is no time for buildup."
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 1 February 2021 20: 11
    +1
    How boring I live. Oh my God!..
    I don't even know what it is - Tik Tok? ... And with what it is eaten! ..
    Here, I'm more concerned about cold / heat straightening methods for planar / volumetric structures. And also methods of preventing welding deformations.
    These are the sites to read at your leisure. Desirable from a tablet.
  • zenion
    zenion 1 February 2021 20: 40
    -3
    After the October Revolution of 1917, the people were born to make a fairy tale come true. The current government made dust out of a fairy tale.
  • user
    user 1 February 2021 21: 16
    +2
    Disconnection from the notorious payment system SWIFT, which has been frightening the country since 2014, will paralyze all exports.


    After that, it became funny.

    Well, after

    Why not entrust the competition to two titans of the Russian technology market - Yandex and Sber?


    in general it became clear, the author is not even in the subject.

    If anyone does not understand, I will explain.
    The Russian Federation has created its own payment system, of course there are clumsy things, but this is only because the country has not completely switched over to it. Because in addition to all the undercurrents in the management of the country, political will and expediency are needed for such decisions, but nothing more.

    As for the second statement, I would like to ask the author if he knows who owns what share in these two companies? Who is the ultimate beneficiary.
    Although, of course, there are problems in this area and they are serious. But this is the problem of investment in this area, this only applies to our country, other countries have much more complicated problems. Although my conclusions will surprise someone.

    So after all the events during the American elections and the entry into force of the latest amendments, our president has the hands of heaven
  • Nestor Vlakhovski
    Nestor Vlakhovski 2 February 2021 00: 32
    -4
    Digital sovereignty or talk about how to arrange another information blockade for your people, isolating them from the outside world.
    And all this was accompanied by the joyful bleating of the representatives of this nation. We live in interesting times :)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 February 2021 15: 09
      -1
      As soon as digital money is introduced and implemented by AI over their control and expenses on the Blockchain system, bribes will immediately disappear; motley crooks on the Internet; left phones and SIM cards will stop working, as well as all fake and icteric sites will cease to exist, and the tax system will become absolutely transparent. it will be impossible to launder and withdraw money abroad as well as to steal budget funds - everything will change Russia slowly but surely km to that is the digital economy of the neural network Blockchain digital money and only those who have something to hide are babbling about the digital blockade and the concentration camp.
      1. Nestor Vlakhovski
        Nestor Vlakhovski 3 February 2021 22: 00
        0
        will introduce AI over their control and expenses on the Blockchain system bribe takers will disappear immediately
        will not disappear anywhere, there will always be an alternative to the national currency. Will your AI also control the Kremlin bribe-takers from the judo section? Or will it work as usual?
        on the Internet, left phones and sim cards will stop working
        the thread will not stop working, because most of the scammers use local Russian SIM cards registered for real citizens. But the lack of means of communication with the outside world will hit the economy very painfully, the oil supply will be greater than from the fall of oil.
        all fake and icteric sites will cease to exist
        will federal and pro-government fakecomets also cease to exist? It's funny. Who will determine the fake from the truth? Me, you, Peskov or the Basmanny Court ?! This is called censorship. And she can only have one purpose - to harm, to turn fellow citizens into a puppet.
        the tax system is absolutely transparent
        for a transparent tax system and control over budget spending, no digitalization is needed. But Russia is moving in the opposite direction, towards more and more closures.
        Stealth is security.
        Only a fool flaunts everything.
  • vasjvasiljev
    vasjvasiljev 6 February 2021 23: 38
    0
    Give also the "iron" to Gref ?! More than a third of Sberbank shares are owned by foreigners, and the views of GG are quite liberal, but we need it? "Yandex" is, as it were, Russian, but again, with some specific flavor .....