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The Ministry of Defense has decided on the start of serial deliveries of the Zircon hypersonic missile

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The Ministry of Defense has decided on the start of serial deliveries of the Zircon hypersonic missile

Serial deliveries of Zircon hypersonic missiles to the troops will begin in 2022 after the end of state tests. This was announced by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko.


Speaking at the Ministry of Defense on the Single Day of Acceptance of Military Products, the Deputy Minister said that according to the results of tests from a surface ship and taking into account the state tests, the serial production of the Zircon missile and its delivery to the troops will begin next year, 2022.

Positive results allow us to proceed to the next stage of development - launching from underwater carriers, complete state tests in 2021 and start serial deliveries starting in 2022

- declared Krivoruchko.

In December 2020, the military department announced that state tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile would begin in 2021, immediately after the completion of the flight test stage. A total of 7 Zircon launches will be carried out this year, two of them will take place during the flight-design test stage, and another 5 - state tests. The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" and the multipurpose submarine of Project 885 (code "Ash") "Severodvinsk" will take part in the tests.

The test program will be divided into two stages: in the first half of 2021, 4 launches of the Zircon rocket will be carried out from the Admiral Gorshkov, in the second half, the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine will join the launches, which will conduct at least 3 rocket launches.

In 2020, the tests were successful, a total of 3 rocket launches were performed from the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov". It is noted that the tests are proceeding according to schedule, without disruptions.
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  1. Professor
    Professor 29 January 2021 15: 14
    -69%
    Positive results allow us to proceed to the next stage of development - launching from underwater carriers, complete state tests in 2021 and start serial deliveries starting in 2022

    And if the tests fail, or is there a decision to be adopted, regardless of the tests?
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 29 January 2021 15: 17
      +49
      Quote: Professor
      And if the tests fail

      Do not wait.
      1. ironic
        ironic 29 January 2021 15: 26
        -72%
        We are just interested and informative, so we will wait and see.
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 29 January 2021 15: 43
          +33
          We are just interested and informative, so we will wait and see.

          Get poisoned with your own poison, but wait for it.
          1. ironic
            ironic 29 January 2021 15: 46
            -52%
            We do not produce poisons, this is in the range of interests of the world's largest players. But the antidote is yes, it is always valuable. We will wait for the results, wait, but where will they go?
            1. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 29 January 2021 15: 54
              +13
              ... And we'll wait for the results, wait, but where will they go?

              Well, then you will be glad
              1. ironic
                ironic 29 January 2021 15: 57
                -34%
                If something is really interesting, let's be glad, why not?
                1. Interlocutor
                  Interlocutor 29 January 2021 16: 06
                  +12
                  Very well.
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 29 January 2021 17: 52
              +9
              Quote: ironic
              And we'll wait for the results, wait, but where will they go?

              With these words you need to jump, cry, spit and pull your hair .. then wait ... Kuzka's mother!
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 29 January 2021 16: 28
          +10
          Quote: ironic
          so we will wait, we will wait.

          Wait aside
          Do not litter the site
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 29 January 2021 19: 19
              -16%
              I can say more - after the wild hapk in the early 90s, + big privatization + collateral auctions + a handful of privatizations of the 2000s + raider seizures in 2000-10, "subsidies to their corporations" + scrolling in a short circle of the state budget - WILL BE CONTINUED In 2020-30 YY - while the "forbsmlerders" are still remembered by students -
              - !!!!! there will be avarice through moral standards. EVEN MODERN. blurred over 30 years. the construction of capitalism continues -speed roads, the structure of the community (including the number and salary of budgets as in the EU-US-OCDE.) .. another 20-30 years ...
              how the thread breaks - "I drank port with Deripaska 777 .. in the hostel. in room NN .. I also have the right to the initial accumulation .." - this is how the initial accumulation of capital will end (the historical stage in the development of Russia).
          2. ironic
            ironic 29 January 2021 19: 14
            -25%
            Well, don't litter with instructions where to wait, if you are not an administrator.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 29 January 2021 19: 45
              +15
              Quote: ironic
              if you are not an administrator.

              Yes, not at all
              directions where they are waiting

              And I didn’t indicate, I advised
              Well, don't litter either

              And I'm at home in Russia
              And you are visiting. And it's not for you to criticize us
              1. ironic
                ironic 31 January 2021 17: 27
                -1
                Your advice was not accepted.
                I do not dispute the fact that I am a guest, but as soon as the administration wished to provide this platform to the public of different countries, then indecent behavior in public places does not cease to be such, as it does not cease to be such, say, the behavior of a drunken rowdy in the bazaar, even if he lives in the neighborhood, and the visitors to the bazaar are from another city. Therefore, it is precisely and specifically you that I will criticize and you will not go anywhere, read it. That's why you come here, it's clear.
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                  1. ironic
                    ironic 2 February 2021 14: 48
                    0
                    You have very racist antics. You can't exactly call them thoughts, and there is nothing to convince of you, nothing to refer to. But you behave like a drunken man in the marketplace. Judophobia is counted. Offset.
    2. Cron
      Cron 29 January 2021 15: 17
      +9
      Quote: Professor
      And if the tests fail, or is there a decision to be adopted, regardless of the tests?

      So there will be another reason to groan about how everything was lost
      1. Borik
        Borik 29 January 2021 15: 28
        +12
        There have always been whiners. Without them, it will somehow be boring on the site. And we will all hope that the missile will be put into service on time.
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 January 2021 16: 12
        +8
        Quote: Cron
        So there will be another reason to groan about how everything was lost

        Do you want whiners? And there is a note "The fourth patrol ship of project 22160 was launched in Kerch". For every taste.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 29 January 2021 16: 30
          +5
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          For every taste.

          Yeah, this "good" is enough there
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 January 2021 16: 32
            +6
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Yeah, this "good" is enough there

            And in the comments to Klimov's articles, there are generally elite varieties, the pride of breeders, sustained in selective pessimism no less than always.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 29 January 2021 16: 33
              +1
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              And in the comments to Klimov's articles, there are generally elite varieties, the pride of breeders, sustained in selective pessimism

              At exactly laughing
              1. ironic
                ironic 29 January 2021 19: 15
                -13%
                You should also listen to Klimov more.
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 29 January 2021 19: 05
        +9
        will howl very strongly with SUCCESSFUL TESTS. the failed ones do not bother them much.
    3. qQQQ
      qQQQ 29 January 2021 15: 54
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      if the tests fail

      If grandma had ... she would be a grandfather.
      1. for
        for 29 January 2021 15: 59
        +11
        Quote: qqqq
        If grandmother had ... she would be grandfather

        Trance.
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 29 January 2021 15: 59
          +8
          Quote: for
          Trance.

          They did not know such words before.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 29 January 2021 16: 32
            +14
            Quote: qqqq
            They did not know such words before.

            Previously, the rainbow was a symbol of beauty.
            Fucked up by female dogs
            1. ironic
              ironic 29 January 2021 17: 25
              -17%
              The rainbow was a symbol of no return to the flood in the Avramistic religious paradigms.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 29 January 2021 17: 33
                +16
                It's the opposite in your country.
                We admired the rainbow and did not think about any symbols
                1. ironic
                  ironic 29 January 2021 18: 19
                  -8
                  You do not know how it is in our country, but the fact that everything is exactly as I wrote and in the Orthodox paradigm is a fact and the tradition of simply rejoicing in the rainbow is rooted precisely from this paradigm, since atheists or believers, we are all products of the heritage of previous generations, and a couple of generations ago the majority were believers.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 29 January 2021 19: 53
                    +7
                    Quote: ironic
                    You don't know how it is in our country,

                    LOL laughing
                    Has Israel already moved to another planet, or has it fenced off with an iron curtain?
                    Or does the Dome of David keep information from you? laughing
                    You do not know how it is in our country, but the fact that everything is exactly as I wrote in the Orthodox paradigm

                    Did he even understand what he said? laughing
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 31 January 2021 16: 30
                      0
                      No fenced off and misses, but you do not know.

                      Yes, I understand, but you do not, that already answers some of the questions.

                      wink
                  2. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 29 January 2021 22: 09
                    +10
                    Quote: ironic
                    в Orthodox paradigm this is a fact and the tradition of simply enjoying the rainbow is rooted precisely from this paradigm, since atheists or believers, we are all products of the legacy of previous generations,

                    Dear, don't dig deep! yes
                    Etymology of the word - Rainbow - leads us to the times when Slavic tribes (Aryans) did not even suspect that somewhere there is a carpenter's son named Jesus.
                    "RA" - the god of the Sun in the Aryans, whence Slavic roots. "Arc" - well, the arch is solar ... This is also present in mythology ancient Egyptians. And the Jews conscientiously ripped up the whole mythology (with variations) from their former masters, ... changing their guises, but leaving the storyline ...
                    Yeah, here. And what does the Orthodox branch of Christianity have to do with it?
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 30 January 2021 18: 57
                      +2
                      "RA" - the god of the Sun in the Aryans, whence Slavic roots. "Arc" - well, arch "///
                      ----
                      What a rich fantasy. There is not the slightest connection with Ancient Egypt.
                      "Rad" - in ancient Slavic meant fun (joy - from here).
                      Arc - arc.
                      Egypt is much older than Judea, which for a long time was part of the Egyptian kingdom. And indeed the Jews, the tribe came out
                      about 4000 years ago from the city of Ur of the kingdom of the Chaldeans (modern Iraq), they learned a lot from the peoples of Mesopotamia (Chaldeans, Sumerians) and from the ancient Egyptians too ..
                      1. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 31 January 2021 13: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        "Rad" - in ancient Slavic meant fun (joy - from here).

                        Sir! As always, you are in your repertoire !!! Again you are engaged in substitution of concepts, manipulation! I'm talking about the sun god - RA !! And you deign to say about the GLAD (!?) He is here to what ???
                        "RA - Radiance, Pure Light. The Primordial Light of Ramha, personified by the light of the Sun. Often used in the sense: God, Sun, high, hot. "
                        Slavic Dictionary of Etymology (ra)
                        slawa.su ›2445-slavyanskij-slovar-etimologii-ra.html


                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Egypt is much older than Judea

                        So no one denies it. For it is believed that Egypt was founded by the Atlanteans who survived the death of Atlantis. According to another version - Hyperboreans, after the cataclysm that destroyed their lands ...
                        Therefore, Egypt has no "prehistory", but a high level of development of society, crafts, religion, corresponding to the beginning of the Bronze Age, is immediately noted.
                        Therefore, your comment is not accepted.
                        AHA.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 31 January 2021 16: 40
                        -1
                        Yeah, straight from Niburu or whatever it is, technology and Egypt .... Well, of course not accepted, obstinacy she is such obstinacy. And crocodiles fly, only low, though only in a joke. Ra is not a Slavic word at all and has never been such.
                      3. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 1 February 2021 16: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: ironic
                        Ra is not a Slavic word at all and never as such did not have.(?)
                        About how!
                        Having moved to the Promised Land, of course, it is better to know what the Pre-Slovens had, did not have ... From Mount Zion, it is, as they say, more visible ...
                      4. Shahno
                        Shahno 1 February 2021 17: 03
                        +1
                        So yes, the Jews became very familiar with the Egyptian culture ... At least judging by the materials of the Old Testament or the Torah .. So perhaps the pro-Jews even managed to speak the language of Ancient Egypt ... And they probably knew this
                        fellow
                        Ps. Sorry for off-topic ... Just replied to a colleague ...
                      5. ironic
                        ironic 1 February 2021 17: 37
                        0
                        Especially if the fate of what places the Jews occupied in Egyptian society, judging by the same Testament. wink
                    2. ironic
                      ironic 1 February 2021 17: 36
                      -1
                      And what should come out with the arrival? Do you even know where Mount Zion is? By the way, do you know that the photo most likely shows a religious anti-Zionist? And how does he know better from Mount Zion? You are educated in what you post, otherwise you yourself understand that you can get into a puddle and ...
                    3. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 1 February 2021 21: 12
                      0
                      Don't get personal. I do not advise. stop
                      IT WILL BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE FOR YOU! yes
                      If you don't believe me, you can ask Mr. Professor ... bully
                      AHA.
                    4. ironic
                      ironic 1 February 2021 21: 39
                      -2
                      Are you not personally behind everything that you write? I personally. It was not you personally who made the assumption that they will go blind with the move, is this method of persuasion not personal? Are you threatening me personally now? It was not you who personally brought this orthodix to my desk, carried it out? Is it productive? request
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 30 January 2021 22: 23
          0
          Are you kidding, Perhaps?
          Or so the reading of Fomenko / Nosovsky had an effect smile
        3. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 16: 36
          0
          Well, you dig even finer, since the foundations of the postulates of the paradigm are visible in mythology even earlier than all Egyptian ones, and the Jews never claimed that they were the first to receive the Covenant, on the contrary, that of all the 70 peoples of the world, Gd offered them this pradigm almost the last ... And in Russian, this is a word of unknown and completely non-Slavic origin, which may have a root, as Voyaka said, associated with joy, or a root associated with paradise, but not the sun god. Don't be creative. And all that you have written is the clichés of illiterate inventors common on the Runet. Why are you rewriting them? I do not know.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 29 January 2021 19: 21
      +6
      especially the double rainbow. with a clear sky and ozone, and damp grass, and the smell of pine.
  • for
    for 30 January 2021 16: 26
    0
    Fucked up by female dogs


    For me, as it was a rainbow, it remains.
    Whoever hurts what, he talks about that.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 30 January 2021 12: 53
    +1
    Quote: for
    Quote: qqqq
    If grandmother had ... she would be grandfather

    Trance.

    And in addition, even a minister in some Netherlands or a secretary of state in the States. The trend is now, weirdos in the first echelon of power laughing
  • A009
    A009 29 January 2021 16: 02
    +8
    On Israeli resources, Russian commentators also write that you will not succeed or is this just your character trait? throw mud everywhere on Russian developments?
    1. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 16: 12
      -27%
      It will or will not work, and we will see what will happen. But there is reason for doubts and discrepancies in terms. And where is the dirt? Is it personal complexes to look for national character traits in everything or the basis for an introduction to racism?

      PS On the Israeli Russian-language portals, there are a lot of attempts to write the dirtiest anti-Semitic insults, many times greater than the inadequate comments of Israelis in Russians. On average, Israelis are at least not hostile to the Russian Federation. But the flurry of well-wishers, which is not translated, undoubtedly provokes a response. What did you think?
      1. nnm
        nnm 29 January 2021 17: 13
        +24
        1. Interestingly, do you also mourn the failure of David's Sling, which was unable to shoot down even old Soviet missiles?
        2. We have a program for the purchase of weapons until 2027. But this is a program. Adoption and deployment on alert are two different things. For example, like the previous program in the part of the fleet. We could not build, something went wrong - they change the procurement structure or delivery times. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody puts raw samples on the database for the sake of a tick.
        3. You know, since 2014 your reciprocal, unrequited reaction has become uninteresting. At least for me. Since you are one of those people who, after their history, can stick their tongues in one place, seeing the rampant neo-Nazism in the Baltic States and Ukraine, then your opinion automatically becomes insignificant, because you have lost the right to it, betraying the honor, conscience and memory of 6 million of your dead brothers.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 29 January 2021 17: 21
          +8
          Quote: nnm
          3. You know, since 2014 your reciprocal, unrequited reaction has become uninteresting.

          On the third point with all limbs "For" good
          I wonder what the Professor has to say
          If of course he says
          1. ironic
            ironic 29 January 2021 18: 07
            -4
            Read my answer to this point, consider this answer to you.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 29 January 2021 19: 55
              0
              Quote: ironic
              Read my answer to this point, consider this answer to you.

              Collective contract laughing
              Or mutual guarantee? laughing
              1. ironic
                ironic 31 January 2021 17: 21
                0
                Volunteering and a basic sense of justice. wink
        2. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 18: 05
          -14%
          1. No, because it was a mistake of the operator, who made the decision to launch the missiles to the maximum range, not being sure that the Tochki-U will reach our territory, the conclusions of the commission were published. In addition, Sling has already received a version upgrade and new successful tests to intercept targets, as well as a reorganization of the control structure. I see no failure.
          2. You put raw samples in the same way as it happens not only for you. Everyone is guilty of this. Everything is in different proportions, but that's not the point. You did not fulfill the program according to your own statements, and you did not fulfill it in very tangible numbers, these are not my notions, everything was announced in your own press and here on VO.
          3. I want to remind you of our same unrequited reaction in terms of Crimea and sanctions against the Russian Federation, but for some reason this passed by your reaction, and all because for you not the 14th year is important, but a reason, it wouldn’t be the 14th year, you would with the same success, for another reason, would be accused of the same, rearranging the words in the desired sequence. Blood libels have not changed a bit over the past 2000 years, only the reasons have changed, so we treat them in the same way as you described, as something petty, insignificant, below our dignity, which has lost in our eyes the right to an opinion, if it is does not concern our safety. To kick someone on honor and conscience, you must first have it yourself.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 29 January 2021 19: 57
            0
            Quote: ironic
            To kick someone on honor and conscience, you must first have it yourself.

            Well nhaaaaal ....
            1. ironic
              ironic 31 January 2021 17: 03
              0
              Yes, to kick on honor and conscience without having it yourself is not just impudence, but also a rare impudence. And there is. Chutzpah is shorter than transcendental.
        3. Professor
          Professor 29 January 2021 19: 18
          -15%
          Quote: nnm
          1. Interestingly, do you also mourn the failure of David's Sling, which was unable to shoot down even old Soviet missiles?

          The complex worked strictly in accordance with the performance characteristics.

          Quote: nnm
          2. We have a program for the purchase of weapons until 2027. But this is a program. Adoption and deployment on alert are two different things. For example, like the previous program in the part of the fleet. We could not build, something went wrong - they change the procurement structure or delivery times. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody puts raw samples on the database for the sake of a tick.

          Of course he does. Here's an example:

          https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2016/12/23/670902-obraztsov-vooruzhenii-proverku
          10 samples of Russian weapons have not been tested by Syria
          Rhetorical question: "But how were they adopted and put on alert?"

          Quote: nnm
          3. You know, since 2014 your reciprocal, unrequited reaction has become uninteresting. At least for me. Since you are one of those people who, after their history, can stick their tongues in one place, seeing the rampant neo-Nazism in the Baltic States and Ukraine, then your opinion automatically becomes insignificant, because you have lost the right to it, betraying the honor, conscience and memory of 6 million of your dead brothers.

          Show me an example. Stop the "rampant neo-Nazism in the Baltics and Ukraine." Enter troops there, or at least break off diplomatic relations. Weak?
          Why same you "put their tongues in one place"? Your the opinion automatically became null and void, for you lost the right to him, betraying honor, conscience and memory 26 million of their dead brothers. Isn't that right, CEP?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 29 January 2021 20: 01
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Enter troops there

            You will come to a common denominator there.
            This is what your colleague Sasha writes
            and all because for you it is not the 14th year that is important, but the occasion, it wouldn’t be the 14th year, you would just as successfully, for another reason, blame the same, rearranging the words in the required sequence.

            But you are however a provocateur
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 16
              +3
              Lipchanin
              Lipchanin (Sergey)
              Yesterday, 20: 01

              0
              Quote: Professor
              Enter troops there

              You will come to a common denominator there.
              This is what your colleague Sasha writes
              and all because for you it is not the 14th year that is important, but the occasion, it wouldn’t be the 14th year, you would just as successfully, for another reason, blame the same, rearranging the words in the required sequence.

              But you are however a provocateur
              This is a very mild word. And what is it (aboutХFessor) deserves it, the site administration will not miss it.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 30 January 2021 03: 19
                +3
                Quote: aszzz888
                And the fact that it (professor) deserved

                Already got these Israeli EhspIrts with their teachings
                1. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 28
                  +4

                  Lipchanin (Sergey)
                  Today, 03: 19

                  +1
                  Quote: aszzz888
                  And the fact that it (professor) deserved

                  Already got these Israeli EhspIrts with their teachings
                  Sergey, hi ! On the part of the Jewish tovarischi)) there is a purposeful working off in order to discredit, distort the facts, to shatter EVERYTHING that is connected with Russia.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 30 January 2021 03: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: aszzz888
                    On the part of the Jewish tovarischi)) there is a purposeful working off in order to discredit, distort the facts, to shatter EVERYTHING that is connected with Russia.

                    Yes, it looks like they are working with skakuasa one manual.
                    Or they write for them
                    1. aszzz888
                      aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 33
                      +3

                      Lipchanin (Sergey)
                      Today, 03: 31

                      +1
                      Quote: aszzz888
                      On the part of the Jewish tovarischi)) there is a purposeful working off in order to discredit, distort the facts, to shatter EVERYTHING that is connected with Russia.

                      Yes, it looks like they are working with skakuasa one manual.
                      Or they write for them
                      Definitely. This is very noticeable on VO.
                    2. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 03: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: aszzz888
                      Definitely. This is very noticeable on VO.

                      And if you tell them that, they will raise such a howl from both sides ...
                      And also our "fifth column" helps them here
                    3. aszzz888
                      aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 37
                      +1

                      Lipchanin (Sergey)
                      Today, 03: 35

                      +1
                      Quote: aszzz888
                      Definitely. This is very noticeable on VO.

                      And if you tell them that, they will raise such a howl from both sides ...
                      And also our "fifth column" helps them here
                      Break through! wink
                    4. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 03: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: aszzz888
                      Break through!

                      Where are we going laughing
                    5. ironic
                      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 09
                      0
                      When we undress ... laughing
                  2. ironic
                    ironic 31 January 2021 17: 09
                    0
                    Well, yes, this is not the first time a combat sofa has been patched, it will break through, sewn it up and again into battle on the forum. wink
                2. ironic
                  ironic 31 January 2021 17: 08
                  0
                  That is probably why you raised such a howl?
              2. ironic
                ironic 31 January 2021 17: 07
                0
                Yeah, there are only enemies around. How terrible life is!
            2. ironic
              ironic 31 January 2021 17: 06
              0
              Then why are you jumping like that? wink
        4. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 17: 05
          0
          Well, personally, we can never surpass you in this.
    2. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 04
      0
      We are not obliged to be harmonious rows of gray impersonality just for the sake of the fact that it was easier for you to invent for which we are still to blame.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 29 January 2021 22: 38
    +8
    Quote: Professor
    10 samples of Russian weapons have not been tested by Syria
    Rhetorical question: "But how were they adopted and put on alert?"

    Disingenuous, dear!
    «162 samples modern and modernized weapons tested during the hostilities in Syria and showed high efficiency". Among these samples, he named the Su-34 bomber, the Su-30SM fighter, the Mi-28 and Ka-52 helicopters, precision-guided munitions and sea-based cruise missiles.

    But there are also flaws ... And who does not have them !?
    shortcomings were identified, which did not appear during field tests; until they are eliminated, the purchase of 10 samples of weapons has been suspended ",
    Agree, this is somewhat different. This is the reason for the revision of the MBT in accordance with the "newly discovered circumstances." For example, Pantsir received new missiles, they even made a naval version ...
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 17
      +2

      Boa KAA (Alexander)
      Yesterday, 22: 38

      +2
      Quote: Professor
      10 samples of Russian weapons have not been tested by Syria
      Rhetorical question: "But how were they adopted and put on alert?"

      Dissembledear!
      It is stupid botit!
      1. ironic
        ironic 31 January 2021 17: 10
        0
        Have you had hemorrhoids for a long time?
    2. Professor
      Professor 30 January 2021 08: 52
      -5
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Disingenuous, dear!

      By no means.
      But at the same time, “shortcomings were revealed that did not appear during field tests; until they are eliminated, the purchase of 10 weapons has been suspended, ”the minister said.

      How, then, at least 10 samples of weapons passed state tests, were they put into service if they were filled up during the first real check?

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      But there are also flaws ... And who does not have them !?

      For those who honestly conduct tests and eliminate shortcomings BEFORE adoption.

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Agree, this is somewhat different. This is the reason for the revision of the MBT in accordance with the "newly discovered circumstances." For example, Pantsir received new missiles, they even made a naval version ...

      I disagree. This is exactly what the article describes. Chiefs Before the completion of the tests, they shout about acceptance into service and the beginning of mass production. That is, the failure of the tests and the allocation of time and funds to eliminate defects, they do not consider at all. Sound familiar?
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 30 January 2021 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        For those who honestly conduct tests and eliminate shortcomings BEFORE adoption.

        Real combat use always differs from field tests, all the use of weapons is monitored, both in our country and in our buyers of weapons, shortcomings are being eliminated, tactics of use are changing, this is normal
  • antivirus
    antivirus 29 January 2021 19: 23
    +1
    they did not betray anything - there was no memory - only a normal well-fed life
  • bayard
    bayard 30 January 2021 11: 02
    0
    Quote: nnm
    your opinion automatically becomes insignificant, because you have lost the right to it, having betrayed the honor, conscience and memory of 6 million of your dead brothers.

    Many fewer brothers died, they would have written more, but the total number of Jews in Europe was estimated at exactly 6-8 million.
    But people did die, and it was precisely on ethnic grounds, and one - one and a half or even two million - is also a large figure and is regrettable.
    1. ironic
      ironic 31 January 2021 17: 14
      0
      In total, there were about 13 million Jews in the world at that time, and about 6 million were perished. The greatest damage to an individual nation in percentage terms among all during the WWII period, therefore, they want to revise it in every possible way, because such an atrocity cannot be explained by anything, especially in the sense that the Jews simply did not even have their own country or their own separate policy at that time.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 29 January 2021 17: 15
    +8
    Quote: ironic
    On average, Israelis are at least not hostile to Russia

    Indigenous Israelis, perhaps, but for some reason they suffer from Russophobia, as V. Vysotsky said - "our former people"
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 29 January 2021 17: 31
      +8
      Quote: Piramidon
      but for some reason he suffers from Russophobia, as V. Vysotsky said - "our former people"

      Yes, their toad seizes, that it turned out that they left in vain.
      Nobody needs them there
      1. ironic
        ironic 29 January 2021 18: 09
        -16%
        Are you feeding yourself with dreams? Well, like drugs of happiness. Have you invented joy and are happy?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 January 2021 19: 38
          +9
          Quote: ironic
          Are you feeding yourself with dreams? Well, like drugs of happiness. Have you invented joy and are happy?

          Judging by your rating, you managed to pour a couple of tanks of liquid shit here in a week of your presence on this site. So you are the representative of the "people" about which I wrote.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 19
            +3

            Piramidon (Stepan. Russia)
            Yesterday, 19: 38

            +2
            Quote: ironic
            Are you feeding yourself with dreams? Well, like drugs of happiness. Have you invented joy and are happy?

            Judging by your rating, you managed to pour a couple of tanks of liquid shit here in a week of your presence on this site... So you are the representative of the "people" about which I wrote.
            It is specially here for this purpose.
            1. ironic
              ironic 31 January 2021 17: 19
              -1
              Are you here to advertise anti-Semitism? Or anti-Semitism, whichever is more appropriate for you?
          2. ironic
            ironic 31 January 2021 17: 18
            -1
            No, judging by my rating, in a short period of time, VO users poured such an amount of crap on me, which simply shows how much of it is poured out on average on a guest from Israel, if he simply does not remain silent in response, but responds to rudeness in his direction and how much here there is overt anti-Semitism, which does not in any way correspond to the relations and interests of both countries, despite the fact that the administration removes as much as possible overt racism in posts.
    2. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 18: 12
      -15%
      You are wrong, I am over 30 years old, after all, there is something to compare. And a significant part of this reaction is a reaction to the sometimes completely incomprehensible anti-Semitic bacchanalia that guests from the post-Soviet space are trying to arrange on Israeli Russian-language portals, which have no analogues even among the response. I followed this very closely at one time.
      1. common man
        common man 29 January 2021 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: ironic
        it is a reaction to the sometimes completely incomprehensible anti-Semitic bacchanalia that guests from the post-Soviet space are trying to arrange on Israeli Russian-language portals.

        There are plenty of freaks everywhere. But why do you count YOURSELF among them?
        1. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 19: 02
          -12%
          I do not brush myself with them, but what many VO users think to themselves insulting site visitors from Israel, in every topic where they appear, I will be interested to know.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 49
            +3
            ironic (Sasha)
            Yesterday, 19: 02

            -8
            I do not brush myself with them, but what many VO users think to themselves insulting site visitors from Israel, in every topic where they appear, I will be interested to know.
            Normal "guests" do not behave rudely. And if they are rude, they pour dirt on Russia, such a kick out the door. angry
            1. ironic
              ironic 31 January 2021 16: 06
              -1
              So start yourself, do not be rude, do not pour dirt on guests and kick yourself out the door for all of the above.
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 29 January 2021 19: 15
        +3
        Quote: ironic
        You are wrong, I am over 30 years old, after all, there is something to compare.

        You have nothing to compare with, but if for 45, at least, then yes.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 29 January 2021 22: 20
        +3
        Quote: ironic
        I'm over 30 years old, after all,

        However, again the foolish children climbed. laughing
        P.S. Where did Rabinovich go ?! am wassat
        1. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 17: 31
          0
          He said not to wait, because it is counterproductive. wink
      4. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 30 January 2021 17: 43
        0
        Quote: ironic
        You are wrong, I am over 30 years old, after all, there is something to compare. And a significant part of this reaction is a reaction to the sometimes completely incomprehensible anti-Semitic bacchanalia that guests from the post-Soviet space are trying to arrange on Israeli Russian-language portals, which have no analogues even among the response. I followed this very closely at one time.

        I swore an oath to the USSR, and I’m well over 30 years old, but I don’t pour dirt on Israel, because we cooperate in many areas, including weapons, you don’t look where we don’t want, and you don’t fly where we ask, agree you can always))))
        1. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 16: 12
          +1
          I also served in the USSR from call to call and I am well over 50 years old. And the agreements where not to look with Israel and the Russian Federation have been in effect for a long time, otherwise there would have been a conflict for a long time, but it is gone, and the freight traffic and investments between countries are only growing. Zanchit have already agreed, we are negotiating and we will agree, but the number of users on VO who are not even surprised by this fact, due to the repetition of the reaction, but leaves questions about this open.
  • Professor
    Professor 29 January 2021 16: 15
    -8
    Quote: A009
    On Israeli resources, Russian commentators also write that you will not succeed or is this just your character trait? throw mud everywhere on Russian developments?

    Did I write that? Or anything negative at all? I asked a logical question: "How can serial production be promised before the tests are completed?" After all, that's why they are tested to confirm the calculated characteristics. However, if the calculated characteristics always corresponded to those embodied in life, then no tests would be necessary. In practice, however, there is a possibility (and not small) that tests will show that the product does not correspond to one or another planned characteristic. And then there are two options:
    1. Start serial production of a product that does not meet the planned characteristics.
    2. Return the product for revision.

    In any case, "Don't say gop until you jump over." Successfully complete the tests and only then promise mass production. What we are seeing now is called "Success oriented". It rarely works.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 January 2021 17: 18
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      How can serial production be promised before the tests are completed?

      There are many examples in history when a product, before the end of the tests, not only began to be mass-produced, but also entered service. Continuation of tests and improvements were already in the army.
      1. Professor
        Professor 29 January 2021 17: 23
        -10%
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Professor
        How can serial production be promised before the tests are completed?

        There are many examples in history when a product, before the end of the tests, not only began to be mass-produced, but also entered service.

        Yes Yes. We know. Then they write: "In the course of combat use in Syria, more than xxx items of weapons and equipment previously adopted for service were removed from service." How many lives and limbs did it cost?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 January 2021 23: 09
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          Yes Yes. We know. Then they write:

          Sir! A prize for you for manipulating the text of the message of the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense! You don't even have the conscience to quote in full: "
          were “identified shortcomings that did not appear during field tests; until they are eliminated, the purchase of 10 samples of weapons has been suspended ",
          Deliberately keeping silent about the fact that the shortcomings could not be identified during the field tests, you cast a shadow of doubt on the MBT acceptance system for service in all aircraft. Those. "grenades of the wrong system"! It's not really ... fair. Don’t you?
          1. Professor
            Professor 30 January 2021 08: 59
            -2
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Deliberately keeping silent about the fact that the shortcomings could not be identified during the field tests, you cast a shadow of doubt on the MBT acceptance system for service in all aircraft. Those. "grenades of the wrong system"! It's not really ... fair. Don’t you?

            Not "could not", but "were not" identified. The program of state tests is built in such a way as to reveal ALL the shortcomings and not wait for real hostilities during which the shortcomings are found out on their own blood. Moreover, the tests simulate situations that are unlikely in battle. For example, small arms are tested at minus 50 and immediately at plus 50. In battle, this is not realistic.

            Returning to what was written, they adopted raw samples as there was an instruction to accept them regardless ... or there was corruption at all.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 30 January 2021 14: 14
              0
              Quote: Professor
              adopted raw samples as there was an instruction to accept them regardless ... or there was corruption at all.

              This is a serious charge. Therefore, plz, FACTS in the studio! yes
              Otherwise, it is slander and slander ... The case is criminally punishable ... am
              1. Professor
                Professor 30 January 2021 16: 30
                -1
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Otherwise, it is slander and slander ... The case is criminally punishable ...

                Precisely slander and slander. How could it be otherwise? 10 models of weapons were adopted by mistake. This is exactly what the state commission and the UK showed. Wasn't there an investigation?
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 31 January 2021 14: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  This is exactly what the state commission and the UK showed. Wasn't there an investigation?

                  Did not have. There was a memo on the results of combat use. After that, VTK decided to return the samples for revision to eliminate comments on the charge power, control system, and efty impact on avionics. The error was inherent in the initial TTZ data. (What they asked for, they got it! But the enemy moved forward ... Therefore: - "wiedercholen noch einmal, biette!" @
                  AHA.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 January 2021 22: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: BoA KAA
                    Quote: Professor
                    This is exactly what the state commission and the UK showed. Wasn't there an investigation?

                    Did not have. There was a memo on the results of combat use. After that, VTK decided to return the samples for revision to eliminate comments on the charge power, control system, and efty impact on avionics. The error was inherent in the initial TTZ data. (What they asked for, they got it! But the enemy moved forward ... Therefore: - "wiedercholen noch einmal, biette!" @
                    AHA.

                    Clear. They took bullshit into service and no one is to blame for em.
        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 36
          +1

          Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
          Yesterday, 17: 23

          -8
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Professor
          How can serial production be promised before the tests are completed?

          There are many examples in history when a product, before the end of the tests, not only began to be mass-produced, but also entered service.

          Yes Yes. We know. Then they write: "During the combat use in Syria, more than xxx names of weapons and equipment previously adopted. "How many lives and limbs did it cost?
          But from this moment in more detail. As you like to express yourself - facts in the studio!
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 January 2021 06: 58
      0
      In order not to ask such questions, it is worth knowing the system by which the tests are being carried out. This is the state. They pass with the finished product. If she hadn't been flying, it would have been found out on the throwers. Arranged here a dispute with the whole crowd of pros pancake.
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 29 January 2021 16: 09
    +17
    the maximum speed of the product will be nine times the speed of sound (that is, it will be 10,7 thousand kilometers per hour, M = 9), and the flight range will be over 1 kilometers. Zircon can be launched from the same launchers as the latest Russian anti-ship missiles P-000 Onyx and Caliber (800M3).
    1. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 16: 29
      -18%
      That is why doubts torment, but is it not BR?
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 January 2021 23: 24
        +2
        Quote: ironic
        doubts torment, but not BR?

        Rather quasi-ballistic, with an accelerating block. The first stage accelerates to 1,0-1,5 M and throws the product at 40-50 km. After shooting off the booster stage, Zircon will go to the scramjet in a rarefied atmosphere. and there will be no plasma, and you can aim using the OLS ...
        So, the attempts of the Ams to fly in the lower layers of the atmosphere stumble upon the thermal stability of the materials ... We went the other way. Therefore, Daggers fly with us ...
        IMHO.
        1. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 16: 28
          0
          I agree with regard to quasi-ballistics, especially since the indicated height is even lower - 28 km. Just as I agree with the possibility of separating the first stage and flying the second on a scramjet engine in the practical beyond the atmosphere, but then at the final stage of the trojectory the rocket enters the atmosphere according to the same principle as the aerobalistic rocket, i.e. no thrust at all at supersonic speed. Correction becomes possible, but this is never the principle of operation of the CD - once, it is ineffective against high-speed surface targets - two, just as any aerobalistic rocket or a completely ballistic rocket is ineffective for such purposes.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 29 January 2021 16: 27
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    And if the tests fail

    There are a million such "ifs" you can think of and do nothing
    Are you offering us this?
  • askort154
    askort154 29 January 2021 16: 29
    +11
    Professor.....And if the tests fail

    Oleg Sokolov, who fled to Israel, why have you been absent from Israel's duty at the VO for so long?
    Here, spears were broken on the best, or rather the best-selling US F-35 aircraft. Your replacements, in general, tried to replace you, but showed that they are just a shadow of the true "professor" in VO. Be more serious about scheduling their shifts at VO! wink hi
    1. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 19: 05
      -9
      Did you accompany him on this escape? As I understand it, a personal witness? Have you already turned to the administration with a request to exclude users from the respective country from VO users?
      Well, so as not to be on duty ...
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 January 2021 20: 04
        +4
        The professor got a personal lawyer laughing
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 52
          +3

          Lipchanin (Sergey)
          Yesterday, 20: 04

          0
          Professor got a personal lawyer laughing

          Tobacco.
          Tobacco
          Character
          Tabaki is a character from the collection of stories "The Jungle Book" by the English writer Rudyard Kipling, jackal, constant henchman tiger Sherkhan. One of the most nosy inhabitants of the jungle. He's usually not very friendly, apart from the fake courtesy he shows to suck up to someone. Wikipedia
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 30 January 2021 03: 58
            +3
            Quote: aszzz888
            which he shows to suck up to someone. Wikipedia

            Do not add, do not subtract
            1. ironic
              ironic 31 January 2021 16: 45
              0
              Yes, to the summary of this zizitope number 8, in fact, there is no point in adding anything, he himself will do all the work if necessary.
          2. ironic
            ironic 31 January 2021 16: 44
            0
            Your personal resume is accepted, you can no longer post it, everyone who wanted to read it.
        2. ironic
          ironic 31 January 2021 16: 43
          0
          What other professions do you know? It's kind of like a forum, not a personal blog, and everyone can connect to any of the dialogs. The rules are not prohibited.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 January 2021 23: 29
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      Why have you been absent from Israel on duty for so long?

      Internal monologue of Mr. Sokolov:
      - "Damn ... what a curious got ... Why ... why ...
      - It was in the eyeballs !!! ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 30 January 2021 09: 16
        -2
        Not in a tie, but in a bath. Let's not distort the facts.

        PS
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 29 January 2021 18: 30
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    And if the tests fail

    Judging by your reaction, nobody believes in failure.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 29 January 2021 23: 01
    +4
    Failure is detected at the very first stages. The finished product reaches the state.
  • Nestor Vlakhovski
    Nestor Vlakhovski 29 January 2021 23: 01
    -13%
    And if the tests fail, or is there a decision to be adopted, regardless of the tests?
    It is impossible to fail tests that fit the received object.
    You look at how ships pass the state in the Russian Federation, it's just laughter.
    Also with missiles, if it does not explode at the start and can leave the launcher, then it has no analogues in the world.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 30 January 2021 02: 32
      0
      Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
      Also with missiles, if it does not explode at the start and can leave the launcher, then it has no analogues in the world.

      Analogue of Zircon in the studio. Or Dagger. Or Granite. Iskander? Sarmat? Yars? Well done?
      1. ironic
        ironic 31 January 2021 16: 58
        0
        Iskander - LORA, DeepStrike.
        Dagger - Rocks, Star Sky, AGM-183A ARRW
        Yarsa - Jericho-3 (albeit less in range, but analogous), DF-41.
        Saramat is not yet there.
        The good fellow is gone.
        The rest is Elusive Joe. And you know why.
    2. Keer
      Keer 30 January 2021 02: 45
      +5
      can leave the launcher - that means it has no analogues in the world.
      According to your criterion, the Ukrainian mortar "Molot" sometimes has no analogues in the world, and sometimes, on the contrary, does.
      1. Nestor Vlakhovski
        Nestor Vlakhovski 2 February 2021 00: 07
        -1
        Quote: Keer
        According to your criterion, the Ukrainian Molot mortar sometimes has no analogues in the world

        Yes, that's right.
        You are fraternal peoples and all that.
        1. Keer
          Keer 2 February 2021 02: 25
          0
          I am not a brotherly people to a mortar, I, in general, not a people, and (a) a mortar, even more so.
  • venik
    venik 29 January 2021 23: 11
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    And if the tests fail, or is there a decision to be adopted, regardless of the tests?

    =======
    Oh how you wantto fail the test!
    Alas! Why would they "fail" if flight tests have been going on for more than two years and are going well successfully!
    So - WILL NOT WANT! FigVam (Indian national hut)! yes
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 00
      +4

      venik (Vladimir)
      Yesterday, 23: 11
      NEW

      +1
      Quote: Professor
      And if the tests fail, or is there a decision to be adopted, regardless of the tests?

      =======
      Oh, how you wish the test would fail!
      Alas! Why would they "fail" if flight tests have been going on for more than two years now and are quite successful!
      So - WILL NOT WANT! FigVam (Indian national hut)! yes
      good
      This, for clarity, can be more specific - FuckTebe (Russian national fun!) wink
      1. venik
        venik 30 January 2021 14: 14
        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        This, for clarity, can be more specific - FuckTebe (Russian national fun!)

        =======
        Well, you could say that)! drinks
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 January 2021 02: 55
    +3

    Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
    Yesterday, 15: 14
    NEW
    -52%
    Positive results allow us to proceed to the next stage of development - launching from underwater carriers, complete state tests in 2021 and start serial deliveries starting in 2022

    And if the fail the tests or is there a decision to enter service regardless of the tests?
    And then again mи with your wishes))! laughing Expression aboutХa lot of concern from the Jewish side, how sweet it is))! The familiar style of the Merikatos State Department! tongue laughing wassat P.C. angry CAN'T WAIT!
  • Rufat
    Rufat 29 January 2021 15: 18
    -10%
    It is necessary to increase the military budget and replenish the amount of zircons
    1. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 15: 31
      -25%
      Do you need to replenish the number of carriers to begin with? To increase the budget, you need to increase the GNP. Moreover, it is desirable and GDP along with it.
      1. Sarmat Sanych
        Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 16: 11
        +13
        And what are the problems with the Russian GDP, ironic? It is not clear that in the Russian Federation the welfare of the shirnarmass is not so good yet, but there are no problems with the state money. Russian GDP at PPP $ 4,2 trillion, 5th in the world and 1st in Europe (IMF data for 2020). Public debt is the lowest among the G-20 countries, 5% of GDP. Plus huge gold reserves of $ 600 billion (of which 2300 tons of gold, 300 tons of palladium and zero in US Treasures), there is also a NWF of ₽14 trillion. We also do not forget that according to the World Bank, there is a hidden b-to-g ("state-to-state") sector in the Russian economy, which is not included in the calculation of gross domestic product; according to K. Lagarde's owls, it amounts to 30% (that is, you can add this amount to the officially declared value). Now, years later, for many, both in the West and in our country, it is becoming clear from where, according to secret articles (not included in the budget of the RF Ministry of Defense), all these nuclear weapons, hypersonic, laser and other developments were financed. So, Russia has no problems with money for rearmament and will not have it, at least in the next decades (unlike its "partners").
        1. Professor
          Professor 29 January 2021 16: 28
          -19%
          Quote: Sarmat Sanych
          And what are the problems with the Russian GDP, ironic? It is not clear that in the Russian Federation the welfare of the shirnarmass is not so good yet, but there are no problems with the state money. Russian GDP at PPP $ 4,2 trillion, 5th in the world and 1st in Europe (IMF data for 2020). Public debt is the lowest among the G-20 countries, 5% of GDP. Plus huge gold reserves of $ 600 billion (of which 2300 tons of gold, 300 tons of palladium and zero in US Treasures), there is also a NWF of ₽14 trillion. We also do not forget that according to the World Bank, there is a hidden b-to-g ("state-to-state") sector in the Russian economy, which is not included in the calculation of gross domestic product; according to K. Lagarde's owls, it amounts to 30% (that is, you can add this amount to the officially declared value). Now, years later, for many, both in the West and in our country, it is becoming clear from where, according to secret articles (not included in the budget of the RF Ministry of Defense), all these nuclear weapons, hypersonic, laser and other developments were financed. So, Russia has no problems with money for rearmament and will not have it, at least in the next decades (unlike its "partners").

          How beautiful you have painted everything. As in that joke about Little Johnny. "I want to go to the Soviet Union." wassat But if there is so much money, why did they raise the retirement age?
          1. Horon
            Horon 29 January 2021 16: 50
            +1
            Maybe because papers were signed with the IMF, where one of the requirements was to increase the retirement age ?! what
            1. Sarmat Sanych
              Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 17: 03
              +4
              Horon, I answered the professor above, the IMF has nothing to do with this. The IMF and the World Bank have a lot of negative aspects both for the world and for the Russian economy in particular, but raising pension age is not one of them. Simple arithmetic here.
              1. poquello
                poquello 29 January 2021 22: 35
                0
                Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                Horon, I answered the professor above, the IMF has nothing to do with this. The IMF and the World Bank have a lot of negative aspects both for the world and for the Russian economy in particular, but raising pension age is not one of them. Simple arithmetic here.

                from the fact that you answered the professor, this (like the official) version did not become more truthful, IMHO, the IMF or some other world agreements, well, there may be a fear of falling out of the world stream, and so in Russia money is like a fool of a makhorka, those reasons to raise it especially and was not
              2. Horon
                Horon 29 January 2021 22: 38
                +1
                maybe so, but I remember back in the 90s they raised the issue of increasing labor efficiency and reducing the burden on the budget by increasing the retirement age. Then we fought back, now we have what we have. request
          2. Sarmat Sanych
            Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 17: 01
            +13
            Professor, why did Britain and Germany raise the retirement age to 68 (and for women and men), and several years earlier than in the Russian Federation? And why in the rest of the CIS (including in my small homeland of Belarus) the pension age was increased several years earlier than in the Russian Federation? Why did REAL retirement in the USA (they have a slightly different system there, but not the essence) increased from the 90s at the time of 2018 to 68? Why in the PRC only 15% of pensioners receive state pension, and in general, pensions are increased for both M and W up to 70 years (plan until 2030)? And so on in many other states? And because life expectancy in OECD countries has increased significantly from 9 to 20 years, while the birth rate in most of them has fallen, the proportions of retirees / able-bodied people have increased in order for economies to be competitive - the retirement age is increasing.
            1. Professor
              Professor 29 January 2021 17: 18
              -19%
              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              Professor, why did Britain and Germany raise the retirement age to 68 (and for women and men), and several years earlier than in the Russian Federation?

              And because their average life expectancy is 10 years longer than yours. Half of your men do not live up to retirement at all.

              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              And why in the rest of the CIS (including in my small homeland of Belarus) the pension age was increased several years earlier than in the Russian Federation?

              Are Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan your lighthouses?

              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              Why did the REAL retirement in the USA (they have a slightly different system there, but not the essence) increased from the 90s at the time of 2018 to 68 years old?

              Because their life expectancy is 80.43, and yours is 76.56. And the size of their pension is not comparable to yours.

              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              Why in the PRC only 15% of pensioners receive state pension, and in general, pension benefits are raised for both M and F up to 70 years (plan until 2030)?

              Because in China pensions are paid only to civil servants, and the rest must take care of themselves.

              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              And so on in many other states?

              Let's consider Germany or Israel as "other countries".

              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              And because life expectancy in OECD countries has increased significantly from 9 to 20 years, while the birth rate in most of them has fallen, the proportions of retirees / able-bodied people have increased in order for economies to be competitive - the retirement age increases.

              But you have a lot of money (judging by your previous comment) and your life expectancy is between Tonga and Saint Pierre and Miquelon and is not at all like in Japan (86), Canada (83.6) or even George (83.03). Where is the money, Zin?
          3. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 30 January 2021 17: 56
            0
            Quote: Professor
            How beautiful you have painted everything. As in that anecdote about Little Johnny. "I want to go to the Soviet Union." But if there is so much money, why did they raise the retirement age?

            Everything is very simple, it is normal to pay a pension from the pension fund, which is not enough for all pensioners, some of whom are federal and from the former USSR, Russia, no one has returned the savings of the union republics, the current working generation cannot pay current pensions for contributions to the PFR, the active age of the population is growing , so we added.
        2. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 16: 44
          -23%
          It would be possible to calculate GNP according to PPP if the Russian Federation was a country of domestic consumption and nothing more, but this is not the case, therefore only that part that goes to domestic consumption goods, and then the figure will be much more modest. The stock of 600 (+ 185 lard of the fund) is not a lot for a current day for a country like Russia. In Israel, for example, the dollar stock rolls under 200 lard. Israel is a point on the map, while Russia ... Low national debt may indicate underfunding of long-term business projects. If everything were so good with the financing of even the defense industry, then given your industrial capacities. Vanguard enterprises would not have accepted two missiles a year, given that the basis for them is 30 already available unused missiles from spare parts from Ukraine, would not have canceled the Barguzin project, there would have been no such delays with the completely critical replacement of the nuclear submarine and there would have been no such situation with the construction ships of the far sea zone. You read MO in the same way as I do. And I think not only MO. Today everything is online and it is not difficult to compare the numbers, as well as to read alternative opinions. But the partners pay their debts without any problem, and I wish many who pay mortgages to have the same ratio of loan repayment to income that partners have in the state budget deficit. But their long-term projects are funded and go into the future with confidence in the future.
          1. Sarmat Sanych
            Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 18: 12
            +15
            ironic, do not understand the issue, repeating the worn-out sheet.
            Firstly, in Russia, indeed, a significantly larger part of the goods and services produced is used for domestic consumption than for export, which is proportionally about 6 times more than in the conventional FRG.
            Secondly, the calculation of GDP at PPP, albeit not ideal, but today it is the most accurate method in the world for calculating GDP, this is recognized by both the World Bank and the IMF. But how else, if in the Russian Federation it costs $ 100 to put a seal, and in the conditional US $ 5000, in the Russian Federation a dozen eggs are 60-90 rubles, and in the conditional USA 12 eggs (they do not sell a dozen each) on average $ 6,5, and so practically for all groups of goods and services. Let's add to this that our ₽ is officially recognized by Moody's and Standard-and-Poor and other leading rating agencies as the MOST undervalued currency in the world, the fair exchange rate for $ is now about 30 rubles. Even the fairly objective "Big Mac Index" confirms (by the way, it proved its objectivity in relation to almost all 225 countries). Further, in the course that in the EU countries and in the PRC the share of direct emission instruments to support the economy is 25%, in Japan, the US and Britain at 30%? It is necessary to explain that these "instruments" do not refer to any real produced volume of goods and services from the word NO-HOW and this percentage can be safely deducted from the declared GDP having received a true value? In the Russian Federation, direct emission instruments were practically not used, and in the long term this is excellent, but as an adherent of Reaganomics and credit economics, it takes a long time to explain this to you, and not here. By the way, over the past 30 years, government bonds have almost never been used as investments in production in any country in the world, therefore, a large national debt is an indicator of degradation, you will soon understand why.
            Thirdly, it matters how this GDP is calculated in different countries. For example, in the USA, it includes all the resale values ​​of a barrel of oil produced within the state at all stages of its production, resale and transportation, that is, not an additional product at stages (of which there can be up to 40), but simply the final amount. As a result, it turns out that both the States and the Russian Federation produce almost the same V oil (they have 15-20% more), and the US Treasury estimates its annual size of the oil production sector at almost $ 2 trillion, while the RF Ministry of Finance estimates its annual size at $ 0,5 trillion. ... I repeat, this does not include oil refining or petrochemistry, just dry addition and transportation, and the price of a barrel for Urals, ESPO, WTI and others rarely differs by more than 4%. There is manipulation. Also, the States include in their annual GDP the cost of renting all real estate rented in the country (residential, commercial, etc.), EVEN if it has not been rented out this year but was empty. All world economists and financiers, especially the Chinese, are crazy about this focus. There are plenty of similar examples on other positions of "miracles" in the United States (by the way, both in Britain and Japan).
            Fourthly, it is important to understand what the REAL economy is like in the countries of the collective West in the context of financial manipulations by the Fed, the ECB, the Bank of England and the Bank of Japan with crazy unreasonable cheating of company stock prices on stock exchanges. Those same "buy-backs" with the issue of the FRS to their seven-bank area (GP Morgan, City Group, Wells Fargo, Morgan Stanley and others), they buy a number of top-500 shares from DJ and NASDAQ, and then the Fed buys from them for balance))). The funny thing is that in September the "seven-bank" for the first time in history refused to be a gasket (expecting a monstrous collapse of a giant "bubble) and the FRS has been lending itself for the last 4 months, buys it itself and then sells it to itself)). Bloomberg analysts have already stated that the Fed has bought all From these markups, such miracles as Tesla are obtained, whose capitalization is more than $ trillion, and produces only 50 thousand cars a year, while the Volkswagen concern produces more than a million cars a year and has a capitalization of $ 100 billion. Boeing from April to September released less than 20 aircraft (compare how many for such a period in 2019), and its capitalization increased from April to September!))
            1. ironic
              ironic 29 January 2021 18: 35
              -15%
              Understand I understand, and a worn-out record is your sheet. There is no time to analyze it all, but seriously, this is also a product and no one canceled your raw export, just as no one canceled imports, which are far from being as well substituted as they try to imagine. Therefore, PPP is applicable only to GDP as an adequate indicator, and to GNP only in proportion, depending on where, what and for what. The IMF uses a lot of what indicators, besides the ones listed above. Well, yes, the ruble is so underestimated, but I predicted its price of 75 and the trend further when none of my friends believed that after the jump to 60, a further loss of value would follow, I bet on this and won, and if it were not for the fall in the value of the dollar , would now be 90. Yes, the dollar continues to be printed and the growth of the stock exchange is now artificial, but Tesla would grow faster than Volks even without him, because she has a promising technology for the future of the automotive industry, and Volks only has the potential to repeat after Tesla. The criterion is simple, if you're right, how much did you make from it? If nothing, then you are wrong.
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 29 January 2021 19: 22
                +6
                Quote: ironic
                Understand I understand, and a worn-out record is your sheet. There is no time to analyze it all, but seriously, this is also a product and no one canceled your raw export, just as no one canceled imports, which are far from being as well substituted as they try to imagine. Therefore, PPP is applicable only to GDP as an adequate indicator, and to GNP only in proportion, depending on where, what and for what. The IMF uses a lot of what indicators, besides the ones listed above. Well, yes, the ruble is so underestimated, but I predicted its price of 75 and the trend further when none of my friends believed that after the jump to 60, a further loss of value would follow, I bet on this and won, and if it were not for the fall in the value of the dollar , would now be 90. Yes, the dollar continues to be printed and the growth of the stock exchange is now artificial, but Tesla would grow faster than Volks even without him, because she has a promising technology for the future of the automotive industry, and Volks only has the potential to repeat after Tesla. The criterion is simple, if you're right, how much did you make from it? If nothing, then you are wrong.

                Mister, calm down, slogans are not needed here, you would be on facts, facts of fasting -
                Sarmat Sanych (Sergey)
                1. ironic
                  ironic 31 January 2021 17: 37
                  0
                  Let's go without slogans, which are a lot in the post under discussion, but in my post there is a specific explanation of why, at least, a few postulates from it cannot be considered facts at all.
          2. Sarmat Sanych
            Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 19: 54
            +9
            ironic, sorry, I was leaving on business, I will continue. According to Khazin and Katasonov's calculations, manipulations on stock exchanges and with the real estate market in the US GDP occupy 40%, but there is also a service sector (including financial services), which is also not real production, it is at least 40% (similar figures and for EU countries, Britain and Japan). Real production in the American economy accounts for ~ 15%, they themselves do not really hide it. And in the Russian economy, the manufacturing sector is over 40%. Therefore, it is not surprising that the CIA Factbook in the volumetric analysis of the G-20 potentials in 2018 put Russia in 4th place in the world and 1st in Europe in terms of industrial production. In the same place, on the basis of the mass of calculations, it is shown that the volume of industrial production in the United States is only 2,2 times higher than in the Russian Federation, i.e., V industrial production per capita in the Russian Federation and the United States is ONE.
            Does this surprise you? I am aware that the Russian Federation is the global leader of the nuclear industry, occupying 68% of the world market for the construction of new nuclear power plants (the largest infrastructure facility among any classifications) in a dozen countries, 50% of the world uranium enrichment, 60% of the RTG market, 80% of isotopes, the only country capable of building and building nuclear icebreakers and floating nuclear power plants? And do you know that in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of 2020 Russia took the 2nd place in the world in terms of shipbuilding, ahead of even China? By the way, they surpassed the peak shipbuilding volume of the 1,5 million USSR with its main citizens in the Ukrainian SSR and the Baltic States by 292 times. Do you know that the United States has practically no civil shipbuilding? Do you know that Russia ranks 4th in the world in terms of railway engineering (EBRD data) and 1st in the world in the production of freight cars (significantly ahead of China)? The main part of the railway machine building in the Union was in the Ukrainian SSR, the Latvian SSR, the BSSR and the KazSSR, but from the end of the 4s Russia not only built 14 large new car building plants, but also modernized a dozen old ones, therefore, from the 2015th, it refused to import and from 5 it became XNUMXth in the world exporter of electric and diesel locomotives and one of the largest - wagons.
            Do you know that the Russian Federation ranks 2nd in the world in the construction of new roads (data from ASDOR), ahead of the 1,4 billion India and 330 million US? Can you imagine how much equipment, building materials, etc. are needed for this? But 60% of road and service equipment, according to Rosavtodor data, is a production (albeit sometimes not a Rosbrand). Self-sufficiency in building materials has long exceeded 100% and we are their net exporter. Since 1999, the length of hard-surface roads in the Russian Federation has grown from 300 thousand km to 1 million 200 thousand km.
            Do you know that, according to the Association of European Businesses, the Russian Federation takes 1st place in Europe in terms of housing construction per capita and according to ACP the 3rd place in the world in terms of new housing construction, 85-90 million square meters annually? For comparison, the 292 millionth Union at its peak was building 72 million square meters. You know, I hope that the construction industry is both metallurgy and machinery and building materials and electricity and communal infrastructure, so on, what are the volumes? Have doubts about the declared values ​​of our GDP and the fake GDP of Western countries?
            Do you know that Russia ranks 2nd in the world (after the USA) in the annual production of helicopters and fighters? By the way, in 2014 and 2015, the Russian Federation even slightly outstripped the United States in terms of the number of fighters and helicopters produced.
            Did you know that the Russian Federation occupies 80% of the market for super-powerful lasers and that the two most powerful in the world are located in Sarov?
            You say that we have problems with the submarine, so I will say that the United States, due to the loss of competencies, has unrecoverable problems in the production of new nuclear charges (and why new ones - they even removed the non-working old W88 by replacing it with W76-1) and problems in starting the construction of Columbia to replace the decrepit, thundering 2-year-old Ohio T-40s that are not capable of more than double launch. And what? The United States has also lost the technologies for the production of new ICBMs to replace the 60-year-old (albeit modernized) Minutemans, the old technical guard for the most part has long gone, young Americans have been going into the service sectors, management and blogging since the 90s, and South American-African immigrants are even less so. are engaged.
          3. Sarmat Sanych
            Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 20: 01
            +9
            ironic, third part. Therefore, Electric Boat in 2020 told the Pentagon that Newport News Shipbuilding does not have welders of the required qualifications to work with steel "glasses" for T-2 on the future "Columbia" (by the way, the Americans are not expected to replace Trident-2D5 either, polymers are smoked if I must explain what kind of slag she is now). It's just that they have been building multipurpose vehicles for the last 35 years, while strategists have been building a little differently.
            Also, the same States have completely lost their tank building, they are not able to create a replacement for the Abrams, there are no such factories or specialists for a long time, therefore they are modernizing the rest.
            The respected Buchanan ("Suicide of a superpower") has an excellent analysis - in the period from 2000 to 2010 alone, at least 50 factories and industries in the United States were liquidated, employing 000 million people and as many more worked in the supply and distribution chain ... In Russia, over 3 years (since 30, the RSFSR) the number of factories and enterprises has grown from 1991 to 12000 (the address of each of them can be found on the website of the Ministry of Industry and Trade).
            Finally, about the "Vanguards". There are already 4 of them on the database and not two, plus for such things you need not only the available carriers, but also much more from the infrastructure, etc. Believe me, we are updating the strategic nuclear forces at a high rate that is inaccessible to anyone else, and even a number of other new types of weapons are being developed and put into operation, "Daggers", "Peresvety", "Sarmatians", "Zircons", "Poseidons" I don't need to know.
          4. Sarmat Sanych
            Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 20: 23
            +10
            ironic, what is the "ratio of return on loans to income", what are you talking about?)) This is about America chtol? 90 million, according to the US Department of Health, do not have any medical insurance, 35% do not have their own housing (even a mortgage) and live on rented (for comparison, according to the World Bank, 89% of the population has their own housing or at least a share in it), 2 million natural homeless people (find in our big 147 million RF) at least a couple of tens of thousands of homeless people), according to the Federal Reserve, 18 million completely unemployed and 30 million partly unemployed (2-4-hour working days), many kilometers of queues in fоod banks for delay and cereals in each of the American cities (even small ones) - is it all "a good ratio of return on loans to income" and "confidence in the future"?)) I remember an anektot from Square: - What did the Maidan give you? - Confidence in the future. - Why do you need tomorrow's bottom?)). They have such confidence in the future that hundreds of cities, millions of BLMs and antifa, last summer burned with hundreds of dead, and then their opponents captured the Capitol, 5 killed and two cops killed themselves, hundreds of wounded, as a result, 25 thousand Saldafons guarded the Capitol with the White House and the whole of Washington was in barbed wire and armored vehicles, and 5000 National Guardsmen with hundreds of marines have not yet been withdrawn from there - is this "confidence in the future"? The world central banks threw off about $ 2020 trillion US Treasures in 4, and the share of the dollar in international settlements fell from 81% in the 2000s to 35% at the end of 2020 - is this "confidence in the future"? About 27 million patients with covid in the United States, of which ~ 450 thousand (!) Have died - is it "to look confidently into tomorrow"? Immediately I remembered Vitalik with his epoch-making "and today is tomorrow, not only everything")).
          5. Sarmat Sanych
            Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 20: 41
            +10
            ironic, I have a cousin sister (she is from Mogilev, from Belarus), a US citizen since 2010, Stockton, CA, and another close relative at the beginning of the 2020s worked there for several years on the company's business, so I don't know the darkness there (especially for XNUMX) from TV or the Internet, but what is called firsthand. Yes, from the 60s to the beginning of the 1991s, they really lived perfectly (from 2000 to XNUMX, primarily due to the siphoning of resources of millions of brains and technologies from the Russian Federation, the countries of the former USSR, the Middle East countries (especially Iraq bombed three times) and the countries of the former Warsaw Pact for a song. But this turned out to be not enough for their wildly ineffective and wildly devouring state apparatus and, in principle, degrading truly non-productive population at the moment. According to my observations of this pseudo-country for 15 years (in person), 90% of the WORKING Amernarod (especially the last couple of years) are waiters, movers, streamers, hucksters, sales managers of various internet bullshit, cooks, bloggers, police officers, caregivers for the elderly, gamers, eternal students, cashiers in walmarts, and of course tens of millions (mostly niggas and Latinos) living on eternal welfare and cox-wheels trade. For many years of observation, I have not seen anyone go to study for engineers, workers of technical specialties, designers, all this work is done for them either by Russian immigrants or late emigrants from Europe or Chinese emigrants, but all together they make up a tiny percentage in comparison with the bulk of the degrading non-manufacturing population (therefore, transnational corporations moved almost all production from the United States to China, India, Russia, Thailand, Pakistan, Vietnam, Taiwan and Brazil). Our emigrants with different fates, mostly not bad thanks to the cool and free Soviet and post-Soviet education (in the States, technical education of this level would not be available to them in principle, not to mention the fact that the worst would cost such $ that for them up to 50 pay off). And even then, for the last 5 years, our programmer has been traveling to California, monstrously expensive for life, with unrealistically expensive housing, wildly expensive kindergarten and a normal school (it is better not to take a child to a state school) and an unrealistic number of dangerous jokes in SF - so according to the teaching staff, our programmer is Petersburg or Kazan will receive no less, taking into account the expenses for the family, but relatives are nearby and 10000 km away in an environment that is absolutely alien to our mentality. Officially, according to their Ministry of Finance, the average salary in the United States after deducting the state tax is $ 2790, the work shift for couriers, loaders and cashiers starts at 4:00 in the morning, until 4 in the morning, then there is a day shift, followed by an evening shift. There are also pluses: social housing somewhere in Amer. bread $ 700, kindergarten for everyone from $ 900 to $ 1500 per month (not like our state kindergarten is free for everyone). What kind of attendants are childbirth generally keep quiet about (by the way, the rate of mln deaths in the Russian Federation according to WHO is 4,5 per 1000 births, and in the USA it is 6,6), such delights as treatment for mere mortals in the USA are not available because cool insurance from $ 1500 per month ... And yes, all those jars of free food out there give almost one delay. In the American collective farm, life is even more fun - many do not have the Internet, toilet and shower with hot water. Do not forget that this crazy printing press has been switched on by the Fed since the 70s, and especially in 2020 (for the year + $ 6,5 trillion) - they could not dump them on the outer contour of the shopping mall, the world central banks, not only did not buy their GKOs, but, on the contrary, threw off the US Treasures for $ 4 trillion. As a result, the real inflation INSIDE the US in recent years has been double-digit, and in 2020 it jumped by 60%, 12 eggs (for some reason they have 12 eggs in their supermarkets instead of ten) in July, according to my sister, were already worth $ 6,5. Translate into rubles and look how many of these eggs in Moscow time at 80 re for a dozen can buy for six and a half dollars. And how housing took off! Many times stronger than in the Russian Federation and even than in my small homeland of Belarus. And if you need a notary, a lawyer or dentistry - one tooth can heal and can reach up to $ 10K, in the Russian Federation all these legal and dental services are hundreds of times less. Naturally, there are 0,5% of the super-rich, 2% of the rich and 15% of the remaining middle class, but we are not talking about them. Look at the fact that almost all Americans have cars?) Let it be known to you that 30% of American car owners have cars that are not even on credit but FOR RENT, they did not pay the rent to the bank the next month - they took the car. So, for non-payment of car loans, their good troughs are taken away, and our compatriot who has arrived there for the first time has the feeling that they are changing them like socks. And in fact, 35% also do not have their own housing, among the remaining 60%, God forbid, a third has a FULLY PAID mortgage. This is how it turns out - an American dies and he has nothing material for his soul and children do not have a hundred bucks left, on the contrary, the debts of the deceased will be hanged on relatives for medical bills, fines and so on. So many are buried there for the state account in unmarked graves, because relatives do not have money for a modest funeral (in an "exclusive country" this is quite expensive). In Russia, even a poor grandmother after death has 500 thousand rubles for her children and grandchildren for the funeral and in the savings account. There is no reverence for the memory of ancestors in cemeteries (at least we were surprised that on New York's Hart Island, prisoners for a salary from the administration of thousands of New Yorkers who died from covid last spring in unmarked graves were buried, and in fact most of the dead had relatives), it is not customary for children to watch over retired parents, so there is an incredible number of nursing homes in the States. And by the way, a huge number of prisons and prisoners (3 million, more than 25% of the number of prisoners on the planet).
            All this can be seen in 80% of American films. I take a safe option, a two-story house with a couple of cars - a dude in a cool office, but one day he is told to go nafik (no 2 weeks of detention, no complaints to the labor inspectorate, no obvious reason), he takes things in a box and takes 10 minutes outside , and tomorrow the family is already on the street, because nothing to pay for the house. Some of us have not paid for housing for years, they do not work anywhere and nothing, no one will evict them. Or in the United States, a woman is a waitress, her husband is a hard worker - they live in a hole in a Narkoman district, poorer than the poor. Our wife is a waitress, my husband is a rotational welder at oil facilities - they can easily afford an apartment in a good area and not a bucket, but a middle-class car. Look at how they eat - breakfast cereal with milk, lunch a sandwich, dinner a can of beans - in Russia, AT LEAST someone from working can not afford such an orphan diet? Our family will even live on a disability pension, it is poor, but they will not die of hunger.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 30 January 2021 14: 03
              -1
              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              I have a cousin sister (she is Mogilev, from Belarus), a US citizen since 2010, Stockton, CA, and another close relative at the beginning of the 2020s worked there for several years on business, so I know the darkness there (especially for XNUMX) not from TV or the internet


              So how is your sister going to return from this darkness to the bright present of Russia?
        3. Oleg83
          Oleg83 29 January 2021 17: 54
          -10%
          Quote: Sarmat Sanych
          And what are the problems with the Russian GDP, ironic? It is not clear that in the Russian Federation the welfare of the shirnarmass is not so good yet, but there are no problems with the state money. Russian GDP at PPP $ 4,2 trillion, 5th in the world and 1st in Europe (IMF data for 2020). Public debt is the lowest among the G-20 countries, 5% of GDP. Plus huge gold reserves of $ 600 billion (of which 2300 tons of gold, 300 tons of palladium and zero in US Treasures), there is also a NWF of ₽14 trillion. We also do not forget that according to the World Bank, there is a hidden b-to-g ("state-to-state") sector in the Russian economy, which is not included in the calculation of gross domestic product; according to K. Lagarde's owls, it amounts to 30% (that is, you can add this amount to the officially declared value). Now, years later, for many, both in the West and in our country, it is becoming clear from where, according to secret articles (not included in the budget of the RF Ministry of Defense), all these nuclear weapons, hypersonic, laser and other developments were financed. So, Russia has no problems with money for rearmament and will not have it, at least in the next decades (unlike its "partners").

          Che on the news-front stopped paying, came running here again
          Or will you deny that it is you https://profile.hypercomments.com/13980936, you write the same thing
        4. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 29 January 2021 23: 09
          -5
          Your Purchasing Power Parity is the conversion of the economy into VIRTUAL parrots.
          Speaking of the military-industrial complex (as a REAL means of production), one should consider the denomination, and there Russia is not even among the top ten, occupying only 1,5% of the world economy.
      2. Rufat
        Rufat 29 January 2021 16: 14
        -9
        Sell ​​all natural resources to hell and build GNP with that money
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 January 2021 19: 07
          +2
          From 20 to 40% of all goods produced in Russia are exported, the rest of the domestic consumption.
      3. nnm
        nnm 29 January 2021 17: 19
        +10
        Open the budget first and see - defense spending in our budget is constantly decreasing. Therefore, you will shout that the economy will explode elsewhere. It is not only the size of the military budget that is important, but the structure (more than 70% of the US military budget is spent on maintaining old and existing weapons, and not on purchasing new ones. Therefore, they inflate in order to at least somehow keep the coefficient of new equipment). It is also important to prioritize spending correctly. So, you will be surprised, but we also know what is intensive and what is extensive development.
      4. aszzz888
        aszzz888 30 January 2021 03: 55
        +2
        ironic (Sasha)
        Yesterday, 15: 31

        -22%
        Do you need to replenish the number of carriers to begin with? To increase the budget, you need to increase the GNP. Moreover, it is desirable and GDP along with it.
        I really hope that Russia will do without advice)) from there. tongue
  • ironic
    ironic 29 January 2021 15: 25
    -36%
    I have a suspicion that we will see a small-radius anti-ship ballistic missile. If this is not the case, well, respect to the developers, but if this is the case, this is another version of the zero-origin after the Chinese ground version.
    1. bad
      bad 29 January 2021 15: 27
      +26
      Quote: ironic
      I have a suspicion that we will see a small-radius ballistic missile anti-ship orientation

      Why BR? It's a cruise missile
      1. ironic
        ironic 29 January 2021 15: 33
        -27%
        From me and doubts, how is it a CD, if it is hypersonic? Is a ramjet engine declared for her?
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 29 January 2021 16: 11
          +11
          Quote: ironic
          From me and doubts, how is it a CD, if it is hypersonic? Is a ramjet engine declared for her?


          And why can't a KR be hypersonic? Yes, a ramjet is declared.
          Recall that the development of a promising rocket has been going on since 2011. The ammunition is designed to engage enemy surface targets equipped with air defense and missile defense systems that are capable of intercepting supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles.

          It is known that the hypersonic "Zircon" is capable of speeds up to Mach 9 and cover a distance of 600 km. The first stage of the rocket is presumably equipped with a solid-propellant taxiway, and the second - with a ramjet.

          At the moment, a promising hypersonic missile continues to undergo state tests. About 2020 test launches are scheduled for 2021-10, 7-8 of which will be carried out from the Admiral Gorshkov, and the rest from the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine. Adoption of "Zircon" into service is scheduled for 2022.

          https://topcor.ru/16816-giperzvukovoj-cirkon-vpervye-primenili-po-morskoj-celi.html


          Zircon performs the most difficult maneuvers on the way to the goal.
          ... Zircon fully completed its flight program. In particular, according to Izvestia, the rocket for the first time used an unparalleled control system and a homing head. The latter gives the product the highest accuracy with which it can hit even miniature targets.

          According to the sources, during this test launch, the rocket performed the most difficult maneuvers on the way to the target. This makes the trajectory of its flight unpredictable, and the ammunition itself is invulnerable to interception.

          https://iz.ru/1070790/dmitrii-kornev-roman-kretcul/so-skorostiu-giperzvuka-tcirkon-vpervye-proshel-kompleksnye-ispytaniia
          1. ironic
            ironic 29 January 2021 16: 50
            -17%
            A hypersonic cruise missile can be with a ramjet, but then 8-9M is more than dubious data, because a number of questions arise in the atmosphere, how can this be achieved? If they are achieved with the help of a powder engine, then in this section of the trojectory it is more a BR than a CR. But what happens next at the stage of turning on the ramjet and at what speed is the rocket going and where, it remains to be seen.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 29 January 2021 23: 57
              +5
              Quote: ironic
              than CD. But what happens next at the stage of turning on the ramjet and at what speed is the rocket going and where, it remains to be seen

              Consider the term "cruise missile" ... It is a missile with wings. (Well, its aerodynamic quality is greater than 1) ... Is there anything said about the engine? A ramjet is better than a rocket engine in one thing - how long it can fly, it takes the oxidizer from the air. Can fly further. On the same fuel supply ... AND EVERYTHING! Enough turbojet engine to throw this thing for 1000 km at a speed of 9M - well, great.
              Will hit the ship at this distance - generally a class. And all these insinuations - if not a ramjet engine - then it does not count ... You will tell the sailors in which such a thing will arrive ... That this is an WRONG cruise missile ... It will console them ...
              1. ironic
                ironic 31 January 2021 16: 19
                0
                Once again, I will explain my doubts, if I still have not reported. If up to 8-9M in zaotnosferke this product catches up with the powder engine, then at this stage it is a short-range ballistic missile and no CR, and even less hypersonic, now if, after separating this stage, the second stage enters the atmosphere and turns on the ramjet engine, then it hypersonic if only flies at a speed of> 5M in the atmosphere, and there are doubts about this due to the known laws of physics and the dimensions of the product itself, which are similar to the dimensions of Onyx. As well as there are doubts about how and on what part of the trajectory it is guided. These are doubts and under them there are well-known discrepancies with the laws of physics. This does not apply to innuendo. Your assessment is emotional, not analytical, and therefore never practical.
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r 29 January 2021 16: 13
          +10
          Quote: ironic
          From me and doubts, how is it a CD, if it is hypersonic? Is a ramjet engine declared for her?

          She has already been shown live, not even in cartoons! Ask your eldest, they certainly know, that's why the START-5 treaty was extended for 3 years on our terms! wassat tongue
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 29 January 2021 16: 11
      +12
      Quote: ironic
      I have a suspicion that we

      You need a psychiatrist! laughing
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 29 January 2021 22: 25
        +1
        Quote: neri73-r
        I need to see a psychiatrist!

        This is to start with school. Sokolov has no normal accomplices left,
        all are somehow defective. yes
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 30 January 2021 04: 02
          0

          Paranoid50 (Alexander)
          Yesterday, 22: 25

          +1
          Quote: neri73-r
          I need to see a psychiatrist!

          This is to start with school. Sokolov has no normal accomplices left,
          all are somehow defective. yes
          Shiza mows out of the ranks! laughing
    3. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 29 January 2021 16: 18
      +12
      ironic and other chosen ones, we condole with you that you are a Russian weapon genius, but I advise you to start moving from the Denial and Bargaining stage to the Acceptance stage. You yourself, being afraid to admit to yourself, understand that the Zircon is the real world's first sea-based hypersonic missile system (and even working on moving targets) and it will soon go to the Navy. And the "partners" know this very well, because they are watching closely, realizing the inevitability.
      At the expense of the Chinese ground version, I agree, the usual short-range ballistic missile for stationary targets.
      1. ironic
        ironic 29 January 2021 17: 41
        -12%
        I should also answer your rudeness in your style? Sarmat Sanych and other claw-bearing ...?

        Until now, the Russian rearmament bore the features characteristic of most of the large armies of the world and no one especially because of this, except for overexcited ptstreots, did not care much. Just before that, you had a period of unsatisfactory army content, unusual for most large cities. Therefore, accordingly, they noted the return of Russia to a normal course. This was followed by a period of introducing several strange decisions, in all likelihood requiring a change in general that indifferent attitude towards normal rearmament, as something, someone should be intimidated, and some super-projects appeared, which should, like, turn everything upside down with one blow. In the course of these projects, failures of the corresponding level followed clearly, some of them dangerous to human health not only in the territory of the Russian Federation. Hence, there were excited articles in the West and skepticism about the success of these new-appearances. As for Zircon, let's see what it is and what it is eaten with and why it is conceptually better than existing concepts. It is not clear yet.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 29 January 2021 18: 33
          +6
          Quote: ironic
          Until now, the Russian rearmament bore the features characteristic of most of the large armies of the world and no one especially because of this, except for overexcited ptstreots, did not care much.

          That's just for some reason, many of those who took a steam bath in Israel.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 30 January 2021 04: 07
            +5

            Dart2027
            Yesterday, 18: 33

            +2
            Quote: ironic
            Until now, the Russian rearmament bore the features characteristic of most of the large armies of the world and no one especially because of this, except for overexcited ptstreots, did not care much.

            That's just for some reason, many of those who took a steam bath in Israel.
            These are the former from the USSR / RF who have a special hatred for all of their former. Plus working off the grub for being sheltered there, and given the opportunity to wash the latrines. In between work, they pound on the keyboard, filling with snot and saliva.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 30 January 2021 06: 33
              +5
              Quote: aszzz888
              These are the former from the USSR / RF who have a special hatred for all of their former.

              Yes, noticeably.
      2. poquello
        poquello 29 January 2021 22: 46
        +3
        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        Our condolences are that you are harassed by the Russian weapon genius

        ))))))))))))))))))))))) 5 points!
    4. aszzz888
      aszzz888 30 January 2021 04: 34
      +1
      ironic (Sasha)
      Yesterday, 15: 25
      -33%
      I have a suspicion that we will see ...
      What do you say? And if there is, why are you here? wassat
  • faterdom
    faterdom 29 January 2021 15: 45
    +9
    I remember that Buba Kikabidze, even before he was offended by Russia, because she cleaned up the Georgian fascists with a muzzle, advertised everything for a "zirconia bracelet", they say, it's a useful thing, it already reduces my cheekbones and I can't eat!
    As I looked into the water - God forbid the tests will be successful this year - and we get a miraculous "zircon bracelet", which, when put on the long arms (or not arms?) Of the Pentagon - its AUG (or AUE?) Will lead to phimosis of these limbs, followed by necrosis.
    No, they can continue to be proud, add billions to maintenance and repairs, show the astonished American voter, only where it is intended to affect the brains and nerves, then excuse me - "the subscriber is not available or is out of range ..."
    1. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 15: 56
      -19%
      Well, in order to really threaten those in the seas at a constant on average 5 AUG, you need at least twice as many carriers of anti-ship missile batteries, specifically aimed at them, and these batteries are even twice as large in numbers. As for the construction and maintenance of AUG, this is a huge number of jobs and technical processes, which has a beneficial effect on the professional and scientific base, as well as directly on the economy of any country, if it can afford it.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 29 January 2021 16: 21
        +9
        Quote: ironic
        then this is a huge number of jobs

        What audience is it for ????? fool Are they producing something ??? laughing laughing
        Quote: ironic
        as well as directly to the economy of any country, if it can afford it.

        Aaaaaaaaaaa !!!! ShedEvr !!!! good Overturned the theory, supine !!! wassat Saying - "If you want to kill the economy of a small country, give it a cruiser!" - in the urn!
        1. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 16: 58
          -11%
          Yes, they do, products for the Ministry of Defense of their country and not only, there are always accompanying ones. Designed for an audience that is not blinkered and not zombified with slogans.

          You need to read to the end. A country that can afford to wrap such an amount of money. If it can be a plus. If not, then this is a cruiser for a small country. If you do not understand this, then all your exclamation marks are in vain.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 29 January 2021 17: 08
            +9
            Quote: ironic
            Yes, they do, products for the Ministry of Defense of their country and not only, there are always accompanying ones. Designed for an audience that is not blinkered and not zombified with slogans.

            You need to read to the end. A country that can afford to wrap such an amount of money. If it can be a plus. If not, then this is a cruiser for a small country. If you do not understand this, then all your exclamation marks are in vain.

            Aircraft maintenance is always a cost !!! From the word ALWAYS! Profit is only the seizure of foreign territories and wealth by these aircraft! Who does not want to feed his army, will feed someone else's (C) lol
            1. ironic
              ironic 29 January 2021 17: 16
              -8
              Completely wrong view. The maintenance of the Armed Forces is also the development of industry, with the return of part of the funds in the form of taxes back to the budget and social programs for the accumulation of the population are provided without additional costs of the state, and not only the export of weapons is built on the accumulated technologies, but the entire IT sector of the country in general. This is how it is done in a successful business model. Now let's laugh together, because reality will not change from our laughter or tears. wink
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 29 January 2021 17: 42
                +4
                Quote: ironic
                Completely wrong view. The maintenance of the Armed Forces is also the development of industry, with the return of part of the funds in the form of taxes back to the budget and social programs for the accumulation of the population are provided without additional costs of the state, and not only the export of weapons is built on the accumulated technologies, but the entire IT sector of the country in general. This is how it is done in a successful business model. Now let's laugh together, because reality will not change from our laughter or tears. wink

                Listen, there are few fools and children here on the site! I will not even disassemble this nonsense. Those who read and think will understand. hi
                1. ironic
                  ironic 29 January 2021 18: 40
                  -4
                  You know, for some posts I would not say this and age, as it turns out, is not a hindrance. Some people generally live in delirium, but consider reality to be delusional and do not want to disassemble it, because they are artists in their souls and so they see. Those who think will understand if they have something to think about.
      2. nnm
        nnm 29 January 2021 17: 21
        0
        ... or 5 Poseidons. Or 3 Poseidons and 2 Zircons, or maybe something else will be added. That you think so narrowly ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 17: 47
          -5
          So far, even one Poseidon carrier is not on alert, and in the near future if this is added and another one is added and the AUG Poseidons shoot, this is an even stranger idea than the Cobalt tsunami.
      3. nnm
        nnm 29 January 2021 17: 25
        +13
        Your logic is "original". Russia makes "Zircon" - bad for the country and for the economy. The USA is building AUG - jobs, science, multiplaying effect, etc.
        In formal logic, this is called violation of the law of identity.
        But there is also a more kosher explanation - either put on your panties, or remove the cross.
        1. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 17: 48
          -9
          If this is for me, then do not indicate specifically where it was written? And then we will go to the laws of informal logic. I just love them very much.
  • storm
    storm 29 January 2021 15: 55
    0
    The offensive of the APU will put a bold final point on the simih of the APU.
  • Cool but not Igor
    Cool but not Igor 29 January 2021 15: 59
    -13%
    2022 is not the month of January ... December 31, 2022 is still 2022. And what to put them on several frigates and submarines, the power is great, of course
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 January 2021 16: 03
    -2
    If only for a couple of seconds they showed how Zircon does blessings on a target! What do you think, when will they show? lol
    1. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 16: 13
      -6
      It is more interesting to see the trajectory along which he will approach her.
      1. nnm
        nnm 29 January 2021 17: 28
        +9
        Do you think that foreign "partners" did not track her? And if our MO had lied, then these very "probable friends" would not have shouted to the whole world about this?)))
        1. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 17: 43
          -6
          The question is what was tracked and what was that. It is not clear yet.
          1. nnm
            nnm 29 January 2021 17: 45
            +7
            Tell me, according to similar American and Chinese tests, you apparently have objective control data, I am sure they have been brought to you by all means. Or questions only about Zircon worry you so much? I do not think that any of the countries is eager to share such information.
            1. ironic
              ironic 29 January 2021 18: 37
              -1
              Before that, I was interested in testing the Chinese ballistic missile defense, now I am interested in Zircon, what is unnatural in this?
  • janeck
    janeck 29 January 2021 16: 12
    +12


    The frigate Admiral Gorshkov successfully launched the Zircon hypersonic cruise missile in the White Sea.

    The missile hit a target in the Barents Sea at a distance of 450 kilometers from the launch site. The Zircon was moving at an average speed of 1,6 kilometers per second, or 5 kilometers per hour (while the maximum flight speed exceeded 700 thousand kilometers, or M = 9,5). The maximum flight altitude was 8 kilometers, the time was 28 minutes.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 29 January 2021 16: 50
      +9
      Quote: Janek
      The missile hit a target in the Barents Sea at a distance of 450 kilometers from the launch site. The Zircon was moving at an average speed of 1,6 kilometers per second, or 5 kilometers per hour (while the maximum flight speed exceeded 700 thousand kilometers, or M = 9,5).

      What do you report to them, as to the state commission? Do they think that all developments, along with documentation, should come for approval to the State Department? Or where else?
      Before the launch of the "Caliber" from the Caspian Sea region, they thought that it was flying 450 km and had dry trousers. When they saw and recognized, they stopped asking, and the interest disappeared. According to periodically leaked data, presumably "Zircon" (or its modification) can conquer a range of 1000 km.
      1. ironic
        ironic 29 January 2021 17: 31
        -9
        Do you really believe that American specialists did not know that the Caliber is a strategic missile system, not an operational tactical one? I wonder where such confidence comes from? Again, an American journalist wrote somewhere?
    2. ironic
      ironic 29 January 2021 16: 53
      -9
      Those. Hypersound at an altitude almost beyond the atmospheric flight? Those. at this stage it looks more like a BR. It will be interesting if it turns out to be a hybrid of Iskander with Onyx.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 January 2021 17: 38
        -7
        Onyx with an added booster.
        1. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 17: 44
          -5
          At the finish line of the trojectory? And how did it fit into the size of a regular Onyx?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 January 2021 19: 07
            +1
            At the finish line - braking. Booster to throw up 20-30 km.
            1. ironic
              ironic 29 January 2021 19: 11
              -5
              Well, he threw it in, and then who will support 8-9M? And then he entered the atmosphere with braking and the maneuver at supersonic motionlessly, like aerobalistic ones? Well then, it's not CD.
            2. kochegar62
              kochegar62 29 January 2021 20: 20
              -1
              In the video of the launch from the Admiral Gorshkov, and this is the only video available to me, the Zircon launch is more reminiscent of the Caliber launch than, for example, the Iskander launch. I mean that already in the first seconds of the flight, the orientation engines begin to transfer the rocket to level flight. It seems to me that if they wanted to throw higher the start would be more vertical like Iskander's. But I'm a kettle.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 January 2021 19: 16
            +5
            And this rocket also has a graphite-zirconium coating of the hull and yes, it is a hypersonic cruise missile with a scramjet engine.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 30 January 2021 00: 19
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Onyx with an added booster.

          Rather based on Onyx. As a basis for the development of the idea of ​​hypersound.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 30 January 2021 01: 10
            0
            Note the SHARP difference in air intake shapes
            in supersonic cruise missiles with ramjet engine
            and a hypersonic CR with a ramjet engine.
            Straight shape is necessary in order to SLOW the air speed
            at the entrance to the engine. Otherwise, the straight-through will "choke". The round shape is not possible.
            When the first photo of Zircon appears, the type of engine for this CD will become clear.

        3. 3danimal
          3danimal 30 January 2021 01: 49
          -2
          And how many cons at once smile
          I suppose these are the stages of accepting the fact that the Zircon is NOT a scramjet rocket and no radical (and unreasonable, therefore almost miraculous) breakthrough in this direction has not happened.
          We are waiting for angry letters to the Ministry of Defense smile
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 30 January 2021 13: 59
            -1
            If it's still a hypersonic missile, what's the difference?
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 30 January 2021 16: 20
              +1
              Because all these years we have been diligently hinted that the rocket has a scramjet engine.
              All these images of the American X-51, Bamos-2 models ...

              And the creation of a serial sample would mean a breakthrough in this direction.
              They learned how to make hypersonic carriages in World War II (FAU-2 - 2M).
              All MRBMs are hypersonic, many are BRMDs.
              The problem was to do exactly the scramjet.
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 30 January 2021 18: 22
                -1
                Lying, of course, is not good, but what is the difference for the characteristics of a missile as a weapon?
  • Old26
    Old26 29 January 2021 19: 42
    +5
    Quote: ironic
    We are just interested and informative, so we will wait and see.

    Alas, dear Alexander, but Oleg is right about something. The test is a very delicate and sensitive thing, and until they are over, it is not worth saying that we will "wait". An example is the famous "Meteorite". EMNIP from the aircraft carrier passed the tests successfully, from the ground stand - too. But from a sea carrier, this cruise missile did not give out the set parameters. As a result - DID NOT ACCEPT... So let "Zircon" be tested "without predictions, when the GLI will end."

    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Professor
    How can serial production be promised before the tests are completed?

    There are many examples in history when a product, before the end of the tests, not only began to be mass-produced, but also entered service. Continuation of tests and improvements were already in the army.

    It was. And there was also such that almost all GLI passed through the product and ... A large and bold cross was put on the product. There are many examples. And I repeat: Oleg is right. Let the GLI end first, and then talk about what and when will be adopted. And then we sometimes have all such statements as a cart in front of a horse. Vaughn "Sarmat" was going to be put into service almost in 2018, but in fact by that time only BI had been carried out. So let things take their course. I think it's not worth paying attention to promises

    Quote: ironic
    Well, he threw it in, and then who will support 8-9M? And then he entered the atmosphere with braking and the maneuver at supersonic motionlessly, like aerobalistic ones? Well then, it's not CD.

    Maintain speed at 8-9M? To begin with, it accelerates with a booster to about a speed of 4,8-4,9M. Next, a ramjet hypersonic engine is launched. On approaching the target when descending into the dense layers of the atmosphere, the rocket begins to lose speed (up to supersonic). The GOS begins to work. Whether the engine is running or not at this stage is unknown. But even if the last stage will take place "motionless", this does not negate the fact that it is a cruise missile. Read the definition of the CD
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 30 January 2021 01: 50
      0
      Can you imagine what the scramjet looks like?
      And how should all this fit into the UKSK cell?
      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-51
      It is he who is painted in all the articles about Zircon.
      X-51 has a length of 8m, with short booster (starts from a great height from under the wing of B-52), without 50-70kg GOS and without 300-400kg warhead.
      Physics cannot be fooled, all this requires space, it cannot fit into dimensions <9m.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 January 2021 15: 06
        0
        X 51 is generally an experimental rocket for testing control materials and engine operation
        - "Without 50-70kg GOS and without 300-400kg warhead.
        Physics cannot be fooled, all this requires space, dimensions <9m cannot be packed. "All this fits into the Caliber rocket, like the Caliber itself, into the TPK cell - another thing is that more energy-efficient gunpowder is used in Zircon for the TTRD accelerator, which made it possible to reduce the dimensions of this accelerator. the scramjet itself can have such a design
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 30 January 2021 16: 10
          0
          The only test specimen 20 years ago, which was "planted" on an S-200 rocket.
          Where is the program similar to the X-51? Do you understand that the creation of a serial sample should be preceded by large-scale tests?
          All this fits into the Caliber rocket

          What fits, GRVRD?
          another thing is that in Zircon, a more energy-efficient gunpowder is used for the TTRD accelerator, which made it possible to reduce the dimensions of this accelerator

          I forgot that the Americans (according to Zadornov) are backward in the production of gunpowder and TTRD. Although they began to do ICBM with them much earlier than us .. smile
          How much more energy efficiency?
          A.N. Tolstoy in "Aelita" simply came up with "super-fuel" so as not to suffer. In real life, this will not work.
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 29 January 2021 19: 55
    +6
    Too lazy to read all the comments, have we already learned that there is no target designation for them and NATO will easily shoot them down?
  • Old26
    Old26 29 January 2021 21: 01
    +2
    Quote: kochegar62
    In the video of the launch from the Admiral Gorshkov, and this is the only video available to me, the Zircon launch is more reminiscent of the Caliber launch than, for example, the Iskander launch. I mean that already in the first seconds of the flight, the orientation engines begin to transfer the rocket to level flight. It seems to me that if they wanted to throw higher the start would be more vertical like Iskander's. But I'm a kettle.

    The deflection engines transferred the product not to level flight, but to flight with a climb. This trajectory is most likely more profitable. The main task of the launcher was not to throw the rocket as high as possible, but to accelerate it to a speed of about 4,9M. Then the hypersonic ramjet would turn on. He may have brought it to a height of 28 km
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 30 January 2021 02: 39
      +1
      up to a speed of about 4,9M. Then the hypersonic ramjet would turn on.

      If the straight-through engine turns on at a speed of 4,9M, due to which the rocket will accelerate to 8M
  • Keer
    Keer 30 January 2021 01: 54
    +1
    Quote: ironic
    Atisemitic bacchanalia that they are trying to arrange.

    At first I was not drunk,
    I objected twice -
    I say: “Moshe Dayan -
    The bitch is one-eyed.
    Aggressive, beast,
    Pure pharaoh.
    Well, where is the aggression -
    There’s no reason for me. ”
  • bukhach
    bukhach 30 January 2021 03: 54
    0
    Quote: ironic
    If something is really interesting, let's be glad, why not?

    Do not be cunning, I am not bloodthirsty, but, in my opinion, in order to prove the success of this product, you need to apply it to your address, only then you will have nothing to cover. And in any other case, your brother will always find something to doubt, this is an axiom ...
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 30 January 2021 09: 34
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Deliberately keeping silent about the fact that the shortcomings could not be identified during the field tests, you cast a shadow of doubt on the MBT acceptance system for service in all aircraft. Those. "grenades of the wrong system"! It's not really ... fair. Don’t you?

    Not "could not", but "were not" identified. The program of state tests is built in such a way as to reveal ALL the shortcomings and not wait for real hostilities during which the shortcomings are found out on their own blood. Moreover, the tests simulate situations that are unlikely in battle. For example, small arms are tested at minus 50 and immediately at plus 50. In battle, this is not realistic.

    Returning to what was written, they adopted raw samples as there was an instruction to accept them regardless ... or there was corruption at all.

    Well, you also brought your rusty dome to mind after real use, although everything was tip-top at the test site. Combat use and the range are two different things. And there is no need to cast a shadow over the fence and invent something that you do not know for certain. Don't be like the old ladies on the bench. tongue
  • Old26
    Old26 30 January 2021 14: 09
    +1
    Quote: Atlant-1164
    the maximum speed of the product will be nine times the speed of sound (that is, it will be 10,7 thousand kilometers per hour, M = 9)

    the maximum flight speed at an altitude of 28 km (as in tests) will be 9M or 9732,96 km / h.

    Quote: Santa Fe
    up to a speed of about 4,9M. Then the hypersonic ramjet would turn on.

    If the straight-through engine turns on at a speed of 4,9M, due to which the rocket will accelerate to 8M

    The coiler is switched on with practically zero thrust at the "start". Achieved the speed of 8M by the output of the direct-flow line to the sustainer mode
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 30 January 2021 22: 26
      0
      The coiler is switched on with practically zero thrust at the "start". Achieved the speed of 8M by the output of the direct-flow line to the sustainer mode

      But where is he, the hypersonic ramjet? With a square air intake?
  • kriten
    kriten 31 January 2021 15: 09
    -1
    You need to test flights to Syria, but you can also go to Libya.