New domestic helicopter engine VK-650V entered the stage of bench tests

The new promising VK-650V helicopter engine developed for the Ka-226T and Ansat-U helicopters has entered the stage of bench tests. This was reported by the press service of the United Engine Corporation (UEC).

The tests are being carried out at the stand of the UEC-Klimov enterprise in St. Petersburg. At the moment, the first engine start has been carried out and its key parameters have been evaluated. After the stage of bench tests and confirmation of the performance characteristics of the new engine, a decision will be made to install the VK-650V on the helicopter for further tests.

The engine started the first time, the expected performance during the first start was confirmed. This is the beginning of a long journey that we have to go very quickly. The result will be Russia's first serial engine for light helicopters such as Ansat-U and Ka-226T

- Said the press service.

The development of a new VK-650V gas turbine turboshaft engine was announced in 2019. In July 2020, the Ufa Engine-Building Association ("UEC-UMPO") announced the start of production of the VK-650V demonstrator engine. The new engine has a takeoff power of 650 hp. sec., as well as in various modes gives out from 400 to 750 liters. with.

Earlier, Anatoly Serdyukov, who holds the position of industrial director of the aviation cluster at Rostec, said that the domestic engine for the Ka-226 helicopter will be certified in 2023. It was also reported that this engine could be offered to Russian Helicopters for the production of the Ansat helicopter.

On Ka-226T helicopters, the Russian VK-650V is to replace the French Arrius 2G1 engines.

Comments

[Svetlana]

To his indignation, to test :)
Joke.

[dauria]

The "Frenchman" in the USSR in the class of 500-700 horses was Antonov's dream for the modification of the "Bee" back in the 70s. We almost reached an agreement with Turbomeka on the organization of production with us. Yes, not destiny.
Well, Serdyukov, if you make such an engine for Russia - to hell with you and your women.
“Therefore, the tactics of creating a new motor corresponds to the proverb“ Better a bird in the hands than a pie in the sky. ”For the sake of the speed of launching a new product to the market, the developer abandoned risky technical solutions that promise a noticeable superiority in basic technical characteristics over existing competitors. should reach 650 hp, while in emergency mode the power will be 750 hp for a short time. Specific consumption in takeoff mode should not exceed the rather conservative 245 grams / hp per hour and 280 grams / hp. per hour at cruising mode, which is slightly better than that of foreign counterparts. The delivery weight will not exceed 105 kg. "

[Lipchanin]

Quote: dauria

was Antonov's dream to modify the "Bee" back in the 70s.

Good airplane
But he did not seem to go into the series.
And the military, as far as I know, liked him as the staff

[dauria]

But he did not seem to go into the series.

His strong alteration went - An-28. The very real replacement for the An-2, about which there are so many dreams. If we then had engines, the Canadian DHC-6 would not have been so much fun. And there was a chance to make a "Frenchman" at home.

[slipped]

They tried to start producing its Russian analogue on Sukhoi, but it did not grow together because of that lack of money:

[Reviews]

Quote: slipped

They tried to start producing its Russian counterpart at Sukhoi

The S-80 is not an analogue in terms of passenger capacity. If we close our eyes to the tightness of the C-80, then it is an analogue of the An-38.

[slipped]

Quote: Avis

The S-80 is not an analogue in terms of passenger capacity. If we close our eyes to the tightness of the C-80, then it is an analogue of the An-38.

I am aware that the S-80 was planned to replace the An-24 and Yak-40, but the small passenger capacity of 30 passengers did not suit. The passenger cabin, by the way, is much more comfortable. If this car also had a domestic engine ...

[Reviews]

Quote: slipped

not satisfied with just a small passenger capacity of 30 passengers.

This is someone's wretched excuse. Aircraft for 30 passengers are in great demand in the world. And by 30 ± 10.
L-410 - 19 seats.
EMB-120 - 30
SAAB-340 - 37
Beach 1900 - 20
And half a dozen other less famous ones.
I am not yet listing those who have a capacity of 7-15 passengers.
There was simply no time for MVL in the country. And then foreign cars poured into us.

However, now the MVL is no better: the airfield network is fucked up, the standard of living is low, the industry is monopolized by 101% ...

[slipped]

Quote: Avis

This is someone's wretched excuse.

Then it was meant in comparison with the more capacious An-24 and Yak-40.

[Reviews]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Avis

This is someone's wretched excuse.

Then it was meant in comparison with the more capacious An-24 and Yak-40.

And why with them, and not with the Tu-154 or Pilatus-Porter? :) In the USSR / ex-USSR, the An-2, L-410, An-28 were in full use (these were less than the L-410); and in the 1960s and 70s, even the 4-seater L-200 and the 3-seater Yak-12 flew. And almost all 1990s An-24s flew on MVL with a load <60%. 52 * 0,6 = 31. With the Yak-40, everything was no better. By the way, most of the Yak-40s had a capacity of 30 and 32 cr. And the maximum (including, by inconvenience) is 36, not much more than "scary small 30". :)
In short, an excuse. Moreover, stupid, wretched and rotten.

[slipped]

Quote: Avis

Moreover, stupid, wretched and rotten.

I searched the net and found this:

"27.10.2011/2010/XNUMX Engineer_XNUMX writes:
The problem with this machine is not that it HINDERED someone, but that it simply DOESN'T WORK.
From the very beginning, the Ministry of Railways chose Bert Rutan's original a / d scheme and categorically refused to change it to the usual one (according to him, he did not want to make another An-24), but in vain. We had a lot of problems with the transverse and track control system (there were not enough moments to counter engine failure and much more), so the "extreme" car standing on your LIS was lengthened. And if we also add the absence of air brakes (problems with trajectory control at landing), large backlash in the control wiring (by giving the pedals from two control posts, it was possible to deflect their parts of the launch vehicle simultaneously in opposite directions), excessive efforts on the thrusters (the PIC was controlling the plane, and the co-pilot, straining all his strength, was engaged in the selection of the engine mode) and a lot of other ideological mistakes ... And finally - the plane was left without engines, because they were discontinued at GE.
In general, the plane was frankly turned out "not quite" and after finishing tests it became clear that it was pointless to present it on the SZI - it had to be completely redesigned "from scratch."

And so the project of the aircraft would be curtailed at the stage of testing and the release of the first serial fuselages. It took a place to release the SSJ-100.

Here was the last time he exhibited on statics in 2014:

[Reviews]

Quote: slipped

I searched the net and found this:

27.10.2011/2010/XNUMX Engineer_XNUMX writes:

As you can see, the problem is not in the pass. Capacity. However, "Engineer_2010", although sometimes weird, is a smart guy and he could not write about her. But about "Rutan's scheme" he wrote nonsense. The S-80 is an ordinary two-boom aircraft a la Si-82 / -119 or Noratlas, only small. :)
By "Rutan's scheme" he most likely meant the ATTT tandem, but there were three bearing surfaces, not just two beams.

Not the slightest resemblance.

[Reviews]

Quote: Lipchanin

But he did not seem to go into the series.

Fig, behold ... ~ 200 boards is not a "series"? He even worked on lines in Czechoslovakia.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avis

Fig, behold ... ~ 200 boards is not a "series"?

I forgot to put a question mark

[Reviews]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Avis

Fig, behold ... ~ 200 boards is not a "series"?

I forgot to put a question mark

Clear. Built, of course, less than planned, but the plane flew and was respected. But, basically, she worked in the PANKh and in the departmental aviation. True, the Czechs used it on the lines; but the Bulgarians are in fish-farming, ours are in various departments and the Ministry of Defense ...
OKA did not give up and instead of "twin-engine Yak-12" made "twin-engine gas-turbine An-2" - An-28. But this time the USSR policy regarding the CMEA stood across the road - the An-28 was given to be built in Poland, and the L-410 was shoved into the MGA. The plane is also not bad, but for the Soviet / Russian MVL it is worse than the An-28.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avis

Built, of course, less than planned,

I remembered a large article in the magazine, as I remember, "Change" about a bee
There, several journalists from "Komsomolskaya Pravda" took part in some kind of Komsomol relay race on "Bee" flew from collective farm to collective farm.
And there a lot of good things were said about this plane.
I remember the story of how one general planted his headquarters instead of lead ingots. "Bee" took off from taxiing. The general was delighted

[Reviews]

Quote: Lipchanin

I remembered a large article in the magazine, as I remember, "Change" about a bee
There, several journalists from "Komsomolskaya Pravda" took part in some kind of Komsomol relay race on "Bee" flew from collective farm to collective farm.

Most likely, this refers to the "field tests" initiated by Antonov:

“In the summer of 1961,” O. Antonov wrote in one of his articles, “as an experiment, we marked 68 small settlements on the map, without asking if there were landing sites. And the pilot was given the task to land in each of them no further than 200-300 m from the outskirts. During three flights, the pilot visited all the designated points, choosing a site from the air, and fully completed the task. "

I remember the story of how one general planted his headquarters instead of lead ingots. "Bee" took off from taxiing. The general was delighted

Yes, with an estimated load of 4 people, the takeoff / run did not exceed 60 meters. With 6 passengers, which became its seating capacity in the series, the takeoff run was certainly greater. But also small.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avis

Most likely, this refers to the "field tests" initiated by Antonov:

Yes. It seems so it was written

And the pilot was given the task to land in each of them no further than 200-300 m from the outskirts.

There it was that one chairman complained that the combine had broken down, and there was no point in getting him a spare part. The pilot took the spare part, took off, landed the plane in the field next to the cambine, handed over the spare part and flew on
There was also a moment when the pilot handed the steering wheel to a journalist, gave a short briefing on how to fly the aircraft and went to the salon
The journalist was shocked, but quickly figured out what was what. It turned out that piloting the "Bee" was not at all difficult.
There were many interesting stories.
The article was long, a lot of time passed, and I forgot even more

[Reviews]

Quote: Lipchanin

went to the salon

It is unlikely. Journalistic exaggeration. Most likely, he sat and kept his hands on the steering wheel, without interfering with the control while everything was going well. This happens.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avis

It is unlikely. Journalistic exaggeration.

It is quite possible, I will not argue.
I remembered two cases. I read about one here on VO, and the second saw on TV. I'll start with the second one.
Project "Raffle" with Dana Borisova. They fly to the AN-2. Suddenly the pilot gets up and with the words "I'm tired of you all" leaves the plane by parachute.
Everyone is shocked, the co-pilot throws up his hands, like I have nothing to do with and says that he is a technician and cannot fly an airplane.
We are almost hysterical.
Then she was told from the ground that they would say on the radio what to do. With difficulty they persuade to sit at the wheel. And on the sly we started landing.
But it turns out that the technician is not a technician at all, but a real lighter and he gradually corrects Dana's actions.
In general, we landed safely
Now the first case.
It was before the war in one aviation school.
First flights.
There was such an instructor who had such a thing. During the first flight, and then the cadets flew, as is known on PO-2, he took off the handle, showed it to the cadet and threw it overboard.
That, willy-nilly, had to land the plane himself.
But there is also an old lady.
One cadet found out about the instructor's tricks; he took a second handle with him on the flight.
And as soon as the instructor took off and threw out his, he immediately took off and threw out his.
Now the instructor was in hysterics and panic.

[Reviews]

Quote: Lipchanin

I remembered two cases.

Yes, I know about both cases. I read about an instructor with a stick as a child. Like Markusha.
A "joke", PMSM, is a staging, because a risk: the usual reaction of an unprepared person in such a situation is tight control. And even if the instructor can overpower, then it will not be imperceptible for the "experimental".

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avis

Like Markusha.

Markusha in "You take off" definitely does not
It seems to me that I read about it on VO in "Soldier's Bikes". There was such a section and it's a pity that they removed

for risk: the usual reaction of an unprepared person in such a situation is tight control.

Well, probably it was taken into account. She was not immediately put at the wheel

[Reviews]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Avis

Like Markusha.

Markusha in "You take off" definitely does not

No, not there. Markush wrote many works. I read this back in the pre-Internet era, in the first half of the 1990s, in a paper edition. The site "VO", even more so, did not exist then.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avis

I read this in the pre-Internet era, in the first half of the 1990s, in a paper edition.

I have read only one book by Markush.
They gave it to me somewhere in the year 69. She still stands on my shelf

[Reviews]

I have read only one book by Markush.

Markusha A.M. The sky is yours and mine
Markush A. M. 14 thousand and more. Collected Works. In 3 volumes
Vol. 1: No. Captain Robineau Adventures
T. 2: Sinful Angels. Flying Man. My love, airplanes. About those whom we know little.
T. 3: Migratory birds. The planes of our destiny. I will die as a lieutenant. The last parade. By screws! The testament of the sad clown
Markusha A. Pupil of the eagle.
Markusha A. Take off to you!
Markusha A. Men under 16 years old.
Markusha A. 33 Steps to the Sky.
Clouds underfoot.
There will be a city here
Give a course
By screws!
People of my land.
Listen everyone!
Immortal flagship (Chkalov). Lyrical reportage. M
A B C...
Time is running out.
One hundred years as one day.
Glory to the wind.
There is no end to the road.
First of all, the planes.
I'm a pilot.
Trail.
On the road to heaven.
Bird man.
Nikolay Kibalchich.
Blue sky
Miracles on wheels.
The ABC of Courage. Book for sons.
And I myself ... A book for those who begin to tinker.
Attention - children!
Strong men live here. Fairy tales
Roge Nikul is a man of character.
I am a soldier and you are a soldier
Together and apart.
If you are a teacher.
Caesar's land.
The sky is yours and mine.
Difficult happiness.
Plus a dream, or a story about how we did not become travelers.
Your Majesty.
Completely unclassified.
This is how we work.
I wish you happiness, girls! Conversations.
Book for sons and dads.
Business man mosaic
600 tips for different occasions
On the road to heaven

[Lipchanin]

Nisebefiga
Didn't even know that he wrote so much
I copied the list, now I'll start looking in the internet

[Rusticolus]

Well, probably it was taken into account. She was not immediately put at the wheel

You can hardly teach something quickly. Another thing is, if you do not do anything and continue to fly straight, then this is quite possible. There, the co-pilot does not need to do the same. Just control that any stupidity does not throw out and that's it. I held on to the steering wheel for a while, quickly removed it and it was ready.
An experiment was carried out on "Galileo", on an examination simulator. But there it was necessary to land the board. The flight attendant at the prompts "from the ground" landed on autopilot. And now a couple of virpils were planting by hand. But their level of training was, of course, completely different.

[Pereira]

Well, Serdyukov, if you make such an engine for Russia - to hell with you and your women.

.
I am not sure that this is his personal merit.

[Aviator_]

I am not sure that this is his personal merit.

I think so too. Probably overlooked, sleepy from another woman came to work.

[slipped]

Quote: dauria

For the sake of the speed of launching a new product to the market, the developer abandoned risky technical solutions,

We can add that the new engine is about 12% 3D printed.

[credo]

We are looking forward to the launch of the UEC into series and installation on domestic helicopters

[Orange bigg]

Quote: dauria

The "Frenchman" in the USSR in the class of 500-700 horses was Antonov's dream for the modification of the "Bee" back in the 70s. We almost reached an agreement with Turbomeka on the organization of production with us. Yes, not destiny.
Well, Serdyukov, if you make such an engine for Russia - to hell with you and your women.
“Therefore, the tactics of creating a new motor corresponds to the proverb“ Better a bird in the hands than a pie in the sky. ”For the sake of the speed of launching a new product to the market, the developer abandoned risky technical solutions that promise a noticeable superiority in basic technical characteristics over existing competitors. should reach 650 hp, while in emergency mode the power will be 750 hp for a short time. Specific consumption in takeoff mode should not exceed the rather conservative 245 grams / hp per hour and 280 grams / hp. per hour at cruising mode, which is slightly better than that of foreign counterparts. The delivery weight will not exceed 105 kg. "

This is not all. Flight tests of the new domestic aircraft engine APD-500 (500 hp) have begun.

... We are talking about a new domestic engine for light aircraft, which was created on the basis of the Aurus car engine (developed by NAMI). The aircraft engine is created at the Central Institute of Aviation Motors (TsIAM) named after P.I. Baranova. The engine is called the APD-500 and is intended for use in light trainer aircraft in agricultural aircraft and for small passenger aircraft with a passenger capacity of up to nine people. It is also planned to be used in UAVs for military and transport purposes.

Denis Manturov in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta said that this engine is already being tested on the plane:

Now the demonstrator engine, after being tested at the CIAM high-altitude and climatic stand, where the characteristics of its operation under expected operating conditions were tested and confirmed, is being tested on an aircraft.
On the other hand, as I was told at the stand, the differences from the base engine are minimal there - some changes in the camshafts and simply added a gearbox to transmit torque to the propeller. So it is not at all surprising that the tests pass quickly, because the base engine has been well tested for a long time: it is actually installed on the President's car.

https://m.zen.yandex.ru/media/sdelanounas.ru/nachalis-letnye-ispytaniia-novogo-otechestvennogo-aviacionnogo-dvigatelia-6011847020625351f7d29eb7

[fiberboard]

Serdyukov is doing what? He is like a fox's tail, in a fairy tale, clings to stumps, bushes, interferes with running away from dogs.

[tihonmarine]

The VK-650V engine is good, but Serdyukov is bad.

[dauria]

but Serdyukov is bad

Sure ? And you know for sure all the ins and outs of the undercover fuss at the top ...
I don't even want to get into it. For there they have their own "morality". He is the organizer, you can't take that away. Will push through our engine, wipe the French - do not care about his "secretaries".

[Stepan S]

Are you sure that Serdyukov has something to do with this engine? Just because his name was mentioned in the article? Industrial director .. I think the position was created to attach him to the feeding.

[Igoresha]

then there was no one to entrust other than Serdyukov. The mafia generals were satisfied with the status quo, why did they need to change something? As a former air defense officer told me, "Serdyukov undertook to do what no one had tried before."

About Serdyukov women
https://peakvest.livejournal.com/10257.html

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dauria

He is the organizer, you can't take that away. Will push our engine, wipe the French - do not care

We all have no doubts about Taburetkin's organizational abilities, all this has already passed during his time as Minister of Defense.

[Stepan S]

[/ quote] The Industrial Director is called upon to coordinate the product strategies of holding companies and identify synergies - to eliminate possible duplication of production. The Supervisory Board of Rostec made a decision to introduce the institute of industrial directors in June 2015. This was done as part of a program to optimize and improve the efficiency of the corporate management system. Industrial directors should form and develop industry competencies in industrial complexes, increase capitalization and the value of assets, their investment attractiveness, optimize the management structure, Rostec explained in a press release dated October 20. [quote]

Based on the foregoing, Serdyukov has nothing to do with the production and certification of the engine.

[Ka-52]

Based on the foregoing, Serdyukov has nothing to do with the production and certification of the engine.

not everything is so straightforward there - you dig here, and you - here. Sometimes such "furry" can be kept in general on airy and meaningless positions. The main thing is their resource.

[Rusticolus]

Based on the foregoing, Serdyukov has nothing to do with the production and certification of the engine.

But what about this then?

reported that the domestic engine for the Ka-226 helicopter will certified in 2023.

I am tempted to say ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

We all have no doubts about Taburetkin's organizational abilities, all this has already passed during his time as Minister of Defense.

I agree. You also need to be able to fall apart with a smart look

[Aviator_]

He is the organizer, you can't take that away.

Of course the organizer. Just what?

[Linxs]

Somewhere the Ukrainians cried and the motor sich

[svp67]

Great ... as this engine can be used not only on helicopters, but also on light aircraft and UAVs

[Reviews]

Quote: svp67

Great ... as this engine can be used not only on helicopters, but also on light aircraft and UAVs

700hp this is no longer a very light aircraft and, moreover, an outstanding UAV.
At 700hp the almost four-ton "Otter" flies with 10-12 passengers.
But the engine is very necessary - we have not been doing anything in the "up to 40hp" segment for> 1000 years. TVD-10 / -20 was never finished, we don't produce M-601 at home ...

[Mountain shooter]

A much needed engine. For a lot. Not only helicopters, but also UAVs and light-engine aircraft.
We leave addiction, we leave.

[askort154]

Mountain Shooter ...A much needed engine. For a lot. Not only helicopters, but also UAVs and light-engine aircraft.
We leave addiction, we leave.

Thank you, Eugene! Preempted my unnecessary knocking on the keyboard, but the thought is the same. In addition, the eternal problem of aviation is the "conflict between movers and glider pilots," who is more important. Some say, give us an engine, and we will make any glider for it. "Movers" said the opposite, give us the parameters of your "glider", and we will create an engine for it. And life has shown that the engine is the heart of any vehicle. No wonder, modern China can clone everything except engines. And Russia is slowly but surely advancing the "import substitution" program.

[Kurare]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A very necessary engine ... We are leaving the addiction, we are leaving.

It's not just addiction. The Ministry of Defense is not going to, and rightly so, order an aircraft with "non-our" engines. And a light helicopter, oh, is needed in the army / navy. Instead of light ones, such as the KA-226, they drive the Mi-8/17 empty.

[Guru]

Well, finally, I wish you good luck and successful endeavors to Ufa residents.

[A.K.]

Great news. In terms of engines, we have had some success lately, which cannot but surprise and delight PD -14, TV7 117st-01, VK-2500, a gas turbine engine for frigates, and that's not all. This is a huge success and a step forward. Keep it up.

[lopvlad]

developed for the Ka-226T and Ansat-U helicopters

it means there is time for normal, without an all-out, testing and treatment of children's engine ailments for these civilian helicopters.

[seregin-s1]

I am glad that there are people who can and do! They work in design bureaus and factories.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Svetlana

To his indignation, to test :)
Joke.

And what! He can handle it.
Igor is a talented engineer.
How he was drowned, all in sand and rust, the AI-450 engine from the Mi-2 helicopter restored ... My compliments
And used it entirely, and in parts ...