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American journalist doubted the reliability of the data on the purpose of the abduction of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system in Libya

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American journalist doubted the reliability of the data on the purpose of the abduction of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system in Libya

The foreign press is actively commenting on the information that the United States in Libya took possession of the Russian-made Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon system. Recall that the other day there was information that the US military took this air defense system to one of their military bases in the summer of 2020. Journalists asked a representative of the US Department of Defense to comment on this data, but the Pentagon did not comment on the message.


Meanwhile, the American press claims that the American military went to the "abduction" of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system in Libya with its subsequent delivery to the Ramstein airbase (Germany) "in order to prevent its possible use by terrorists against civil aircraft."

From the American press:

The servicemen loaded the Russian-made complex on board the C-17A Globemaster III and delivered it to aviation Ramstein base.

American journalist Caleb Larson in his material for TNI doubted the reliability of the data on the purpose of the abduction of the "Shell". He notes that if the Pentagon really wanted to prevent a possible attack on civilian aircraft, it would simply destroy the air defense missile system with the available means of destruction.

Caleb Larson:

But instead of destroying it, they took the risk and took the complex to a base in Europe.

It is noted that the main goal is clearly to study the ZRPK. But at the same time, Larson also points out the problem that American military engineers had to face. The fact is that Russia, as noted on the pages of TNI, supplies systems abroad whose characteristics are lower than those in service with the RF Armed Forces.

It was noted that the Pentagon was clearly offended by the fact that in 2019 with the help of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system, the American MQ-9 Reaper UAV was shot down in the skies over Libya. And therefore, the command made a decision on "a special operation for the removal of air defense missile systems to study its real characteristics and capabilities."
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  1. Dread
    Dread 29 January 2021 10: 25
    0
    The USA and NATO have nothing like that!
    With such characteristics!
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 29 January 2021 10: 53
      +12
      and it's good that not. their concept is based on the fact that they have air supremacy and then air defense is not needed because the aviation will clean everything up.
      and this is logical, but what if suddenly air supremacy cannot be won? this will already be a disaster, because with air defense they have only patriots and a trifle with a range of up to 10 km.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 29 January 2021 11: 18
      -1
      They want to fill the gap in their defense. Copy as usual.
  2. figwam
    figwam 29 January 2021 10: 27
    -3
    And therefore, the command made a decision on "a special operation for the removal of air defense missile systems

    The Yankees are preparing, our air defense is an insurmountable obstacle for them, one of the obstacles to starting a war.
  3. opuonmed
    opuonmed 29 January 2021 10: 28
    -4
    When the Yankees are ready, there will be hell for everyone!
  4. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 29 January 2021 10: 32
    +2
    They want to find or create a "vaccine" to suppress our most advanced short-range air defense.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 29 January 2021 11: 17
      +7
      Want to find or create a "vaccine"

      only that they do not need to steal the Shell. After all, we put it as much as 50 sets. in the UAE, which will allow Americans to enter installations without problems
      1. Fedor Sokolov
        Fedor Sokolov 29 January 2021 11: 36
        +1
        Those countries to which we have supplied air defense missile systems are bound to us by certain obligations, and in this case, the Yankees can take it apart literally by screw.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 29 January 2021 11: 43
          +3
          in this case, the Yankees can take it apart literally by a screw.

          why do they need cogs? They need the frequencies at which the Helmet ensures the capture and delivery of target designation to the missile. To design interference. I very much doubt that construction itself is important to Americans. This is not China.
          1. AlexeyEg
            AlexeyEg 29 January 2021 12: 43
            -1
            Frequencies in any normal system .. jump. The meaning of these frequencies?
        2. venik
          venik 30 January 2021 01: 24
          +1
          Quote: Fedor Sokolov
          Those countries to which we have supplied air defense missile systems are bound to us by certain obligations, and in this case, the Yankees can take it apart literally by screw.

          =======
          So what? When weapons (military equipment) are supplied not for export, incl. into "hot spots" that do not imply the possibility of this weapon falling into the hands of the enemy or "sworn friends"?
          Yankees their "Penguins" (F-35) - по всему миру shove and even impose! Do you think they did not calculate the likelihood that, in whole or in damaged form, they could fall into our hands? And they will be able to disassemble it "by cogs"? Of course they do! Because - on export go exclusively export options! We already stepped on this "rake" in the early 70s during the Vietnam War (I mean the S-75) !!!
          Otherwise - arms trade would be simply IMPOSSIBLE!
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 29 January 2021 12: 27
        0
        Quote: Ka-52
        After all, we put it as much as 50 sets. in the UAE, which will allow Americans to enter installations without problems

        And now they have their own, which can be taken apart to cogs. And the kits may differ.
  5. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 29 January 2021 10: 33
    +11
    They'll take off the description, but it doesn't give anything in the future.
    A certain modernization will take place with the replacement of units - the characteristics are different, there is no sense in this export.
    But stirring up the provocation with the help of the Shell is a question for the not-faint of heart somewhere in Ukraine.
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 29 January 2021 10: 45
      +6
      NOT understandable hype.
      The armor was generally developed as an export technique; it was not planned to take it into service with their army. Made for money and for the UAE. We supplied them with 50 units. Given the close cooperation of the sheikhs and the United States, the latest documentation on the Pantsir was read to the holes. Moreover, most likely the F-35 flew around it
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 29 January 2021 10: 48
      -15%
      Quote: Vadim Ananyin
      They'll take off the description, but it doesn't give anything in the future.
      A certain modernization will take place with the replacement of units - the characteristics are different, there is no sense in this export.
      But stirring up the provocation with the help of the Shell is a question for the not-faint of heart somewhere in Ukraine.

      This is a shame and flight, everything else is excuses in vain attempts to make the bitter pill sweet
      1. Vadim Ananyin
        Vadim Ananyin 29 January 2021 12: 24
        +2
        Yes, there is not any pill in this, such things are ubiquitous in conflicts, in Georgia, the United States wasted Hamers with RTR and interception complexes, and this is even more regrettable, in the 90s the Kazakhs sold the S-300 to America in Tikhari to the last screw and what? And nothing, it helped in what? Haftaru can fly, but nothing more.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 January 2021 10: 37
    +2
    the main goal is clearly to study the ZRPK
    And only for this. A beautiful story about how the Americans prevented the possible use of air defense missile systems by terrorists on civilian planes is a fairy tale for children who know from comics that only Americans are saving the world.
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 29 January 2021 11: 02
      -2
      Yeah, for so many years in Iraq or Oman, they haven't studied ...
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 29 January 2021 10: 37
    +1
    command and made a decision on "a special operation to remove the air defense missile system to study its real characteristics and capabilities."

    Everything is logical. Want to learn a technique that is very likely to "work" against them ....
    What is incomprehensible?
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 29 January 2021 10: 52
      +7
      ZRPK Carapace is in service
      Algeria - 38 complexes
      Iran: 10 complexes.
      Iraq - 24 complexes
      UAE - 50 units
      Oman: - 12 Pantsir-S1E complexes,
      Syria - 50 complexes
      Libya - Based on photographs of the complex placed on the MAN-SX45 chassis, journalists conclude that the equipment arrived at this "hot spot" from the United Arab Emirates.
      Serbia - 6 complexes

      Do you think that since 2012 the Americans have been able to study the car in the "friendly" countries of the UAE, Iraq
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 January 2021 10: 59
        +4
        So what?
        Now they will disassemble "to the cog", thoughtfully, slowly .... or are you sure that nothing can interest them there?
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 29 January 2021 11: 56
          0
          So what? Well, looked at what element base the complex was created, then what? We looked in what range the radar works, so they already know it. In vain chtol scouts fly, write. What more secret can they find out?

          I don’t know how much this is true, but the Americans bought the S-300 from us and the chief designer was the initiator of the sale. With the proceeds, the S-400 was created. The Americans were never able to figure out the work algorithms.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 January 2021 12: 28
            0
            So that we should be exactly on their interes.
            They will not find anything special there and copy, they are unlikely to be .... although, later it will be clear what they are up to.
        2. AlexeyEg
          AlexeyEg 29 January 2021 12: 48
          0
          They may be interested at least in the state of Russian radio electronics.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 January 2021 13: 16
            0
            It is not even funny.
            Electronics is such a topic, an industry where everything changes very quickly.
            Our new complexes are already different ... moreover, the export versions, initially, came with serious differences from the "home" ones!
            It has always been that way.
            PS At the insistence of the customer, not only the auto platform is not of our production ... there are generally a lot of things installed from foreign manufacturers.
          2. Grits
            Grits 29 January 2021 14: 54
            -1
            Quote: AlexeyEg
            They may be interested at least in the state of Russian radio electronics.

            Most likely not to interest, but once again make sure of your assumptions - this is a very deplorable state
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 29 January 2021 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Everything is logical. Want to learn a technique that is very likely to "work" against them ....

      Has already worked in Libya
      in 2019, an American MQ-1 Reaper UAV was shot down in the skies over Libya using the Pantsir-C9 air defense missile system.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 January 2021 11: 33
        -2
        The Yankees do NOT have such a technique.
        Alternatively, they do not want to reinvent the "wheel", they will distort it quickly, adjust it to what they have and voila, the "new" complex is ready and without special development costs.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 29 January 2021 11: 38
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          they will distort it quickly, adjust it to what they have and voila, the "new" complex is ready and without special development costs.

          That's why they came up with a fairy tale about terrorists
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 January 2021 11: 41
            0
            Not everyone believes in fairy tales ... at least those who grew up and got rid of naivety and gullibility.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 January 2021 12: 12
          +1
          "The Yankees do not have such a technique" ///
          ---
          Of course not.
          All have already begun to put on missiles, even small, active seeker.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 January 2021 12: 35
            +1
            Set and set.
            Technology develops, becomes smarter, more lethal ...
            The final question is - do you have the necessary equipment? Does it work effectively, does it solve the assigned tasks?
            And now the simple answer is YES or NO?
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 30 January 2021 01: 43
              0
              NOT effective. Having a missile defense system with an ARL GOS / TGSN, the complex could effectively withstand a raid from different sides. And so it is limited to one direction (rocket launch and target tracking).
              And the appearance of "nails" will not solve this problem, the guidance will remain the same, it may even degrade somewhat (in order to save money and due to lack of space in the mini-rocket)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 January 2021 09: 17
                +1
                Quote: 3danimal
                NOT effective. Having a missile defense system with an ARL GSN / TGSN, the complex could

                Why are you obsessed with evaluating the parameters of one complex ???
                I have already repeated a hundred times that with US, PANTSIRI DO NOT Wander alone, but work in conjunction with others, complement each other, insure ...
                By the way, there is NO such complex that can protect EVERYTHING and from EVERYTHING !!! Nobody has such a thing!
                Even quite effective SYSTEMS, there are not many, few have !!!
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 30 January 2021 15: 57
                  +1
                  I have already repeated a hundred times that with US, PANTSIRI DO NOT Wander alone, but work in conjunction with others, complement each other, insure ...

                  Actually, we see the Armor as complexes designed to protect the "older" models.
                  About destroying them with drones is a typical example, where the miser pays twice. Why did no one insure them?
                  What prevents to make a land analogue of SeaRAM based on the same R-73? TGSN, suitable range, maneuverability 50g.
                  The concept of ZRPK, IMHO, turned out to be wrong. As well as the spread of the guns 2 meters to the sides.
                  Better a bunch of short-range air defense systems + ZAK.
                  Return Shilki, with a new radar and OLS, or even put GSh-23-6 on them. request
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 30 January 2021 18: 34
                    0
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    About destroying them with drones is a typical example, where the miser pays twice.

                    Where and when at US, who destroyed something? An example, at least one ....
                    And there WHERE DESTROYED, this is an example .... as a "ram / camel" do not teach, he will still trample his hookah to smoke or something else, like that !!! Oh, how familiar that! How many years have passed, but the "rams / camels" are the same and the same!
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    What prevents the land analogue of SeaRAM from making

                    Options - from not necessary to not matching the criterion of price / efficiency / quality .... choose.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 January 2021 15: 54
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "The Yankees do not have such a technique" ///
            ---
            Of course not.
            All have already begun to put on missiles, even small, active seeker.

            Last spring, there was information that the C-1 "Pantsir" was placed on the cover of an airbase used by mattresses at Et-Tanji in Iraq. They borrowed from the Iraqis, because doubt the effectiveness of their funds and under the Shell they sleep more peacefully.
            Satellite images were taken in March last year. Information here -
            https://warfiles.ru/214706-rossiyskiy-zrpk-pancir-s-vstal-na-ohranu-amerikanskoy-bazy-v-irake.html
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 30 January 2021 01: 45
              0
              How does this relate to the current trend for the use of active GOS, which Armor clearly does not follow?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 January 2021 09: 39
                0
                Quote: 3danimal
                which Carapace is clearly not following?

                The main thing is efficiency ... of course, the price-quality criterion has not been canceled, but here they can decide in completely different ways.
                If you look, think .... why would the near-field complex have a lot of "smart" missiles ??? when he himself can guide them effectively, manage ??? The calculator of the complex itself, in all respects, is clearly better, by a couple of orders of magnitude, than what can be crammed into a rocket ...
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 30 January 2021 15: 47
                  0
                  clearly better, by a couple of orders of magnitude, than what can be crammed into a rocket ...

                  The need to guide the missile to the target, which limits the firing sector. Until it hits the target at 12h, it cannot turn at 5h.
                  With a stellar raid, he is helpless, that's what it's all about. And this is the best way to destroy it (not a knightly one).
                  And with an active seeker, while there are missiles - fired, forgot.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 30 January 2021 18: 04
                    0
                    Instead of tearing the BATTERY apart! Then they will cope with all the tasks.
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 30 January 2021 18: 33
                      0
                      That is, where the air defense missile system can cope with missiles with active seeker, the Pantsire battery is needed. Good savings smile
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 30 January 2021 18: 56
                        0
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        That is, where the air defense missile system can cope with missiles with active seeker, the Pantsir battery is needed.

                        At least ONE example, p.zh.s.t., is real.
                        And yes, math with economics ... practice, count ... just do not forget that they shoot rockets, and not the whole complex is launched into flight! Those. it is NOT DISPOSABLE!
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal 30 January 2021 20: 01
                        0
                        If he cannot defend himself, it turns out to be disposable.
                        And the missiles are flawed, you remove the escort and they fall / undermine.
                        Let me also remind you that a rather valuable crew is sitting in the air defense missile system, which cannot be found on the ad and needs to be trained for a long time.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 30 January 2021 20: 26
                        0
                        The complex is not designed to PROTECT YOURSELF, but to complete the task!
                        But the BATTERY can protect itself and fulfill the task ...
                        Have you found a complex that can defend itself and fulfill the task?
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal 30 January 2021 21: 48
                        +1
                        It turns out that if the complex cannot defend itself, then the task fails. And the most "cool" thing is that a valuable crew is killed.
                        Have you found a complex that can defend itself and fulfill the task?

                        Please:
                        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASAMS
                        And so that everything is on one platform, here -
                        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyder
                        And both use existing explosive missiles with ARL seeker.
                        The Russian version of the Spyder, complete with the upgraded Shilka, can live quite a long time.
                        Many short / medium-range air defense systems in the world use airborne explosive missiles with an active seeker. But we decided to get confused and made a new ... air defense missile guidance system.
                        And so you look and the production of the R-77 would have been normally delivered long ago.
  • cniza
    cniza 29 January 2021 11: 41
    +2
    Quote: rocket757

    Everything is logical. Want to learn a technique that is very likely to "work" against them ....
    What is incomprehensible?


    So this is an export option ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 January 2021 11: 43
      0
      Export, but that doesn't mean it's bad!
      It works very effectively in skilled hands.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 January 2021 10: 43
    +7
    It is a completely justified step-once truncated around the world to sell it means to fight with it in front, so we must take while there is an opportunity to study. Do our chtoli act differently?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 January 2021 10: 51
    +2
    That is the question whether or not they stole? Believe in journalists, especially the New York Times! Further Russian is not translatable.
  • Israel
    Israel 29 January 2021 11: 04
    0
    For whatever museum they took trophies, the characteristics of the export Shell, as well as its weaknesses and methods of dealing with the Shell, have long been known to everyone who needs it, and have been tested in practice.
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 29 January 2021 11: 20
    0
    Recall that recently there was information that the US military took this air defense missile system to one of their military bases in the summer of 2020
    Even if this is so, the Americans will not take out the bad. Perhaps they assumed that this time they would come across a newer air defense system.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 29 January 2021 11: 27
    0
    They will gut, study the element base, identify suppliers and apply sanctions to them.
  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 29 January 2021 11: 29
    0
    Belarus will buy Tula "Pantsiri" Belarus will purchase Russian military equipment. The Ministry of Defense of the republic announced this yesterday. Preparations are underway to conclude a contract.
    According to the Commander of the Air Force and Air Defense of Belarus, Major General Igor Golub, it is planned to acquire the S-400 systems, as well as the Pantsir-S MLRS.
    The purchase takes place within the framework of the program for the rearmament of anti-aircraft missile divisions.
  • cniza
    cniza 29 January 2021 11: 38
    0
    The fact is that Russia, as noted on the pages of TNI, supplies systems abroad whose characteristics are lower than those in service with the RF Armed Forces.


    And therefore, the command made a decision on "a special operation for the removal of air defense missile systems to study its real characteristics and capabilities."


    Something does not fit, how can you determine the real characteristics, if this is an export option ... lol
  • Wilderness
    Wilderness 29 January 2021 12: 45
    -1
    A quote from the article "... Russia ... I, supplies abroad complexes, the characteristics of which are lower than those that are in service with the RF Armed Forces."
    Vague doubts plagued. The USSR, yes, supplied simplified versions to friendly aborigines, because it doesn't matter whether they break or lose. And they usually did not pay money. But now, with that competition on the arms market, to put up a degraded sample for foreign auctions = lose the tender for the supply = not get the currency.
    Let's take two tanks: T-90 with imported, expensive, but modern electronic stuffing. And T-72kakoyotam, with simpler filling, cheaper. Which of them will be exported (to India, for example), and which will go to the local Armed Forces?
  • Growlers
    Growlers 29 January 2021 13: 39
    +2
    sooner or later he will end up in the USA, the golden donkey does not do that. Will the Americans benefit from this another question?
  • Dzenn
    Dzenn 29 January 2021 15: 28
    0
    The Americans had access to the S-125 many years ago, then in Greece there is the S-300, obviously their playful hands have been there, Ukraine gave them both the S-200 and S-300. And greatly helped the vaunted American Patriots? Missiles and UAVs are bombing the capital of their ally in the Middle East, their oil storage.
    “Patriot” helped a lot in defense, against the attacks of the Houthis?
  • voronkov
    voronkov 29 January 2021 20: 39
    0
    Well, this is an export option .. There I think who will start to disassemble will find a Russian inscription of three letters))))) Israel also tyril our radar from the Arabs and What?
    If you are tyrat, it means they cannot create anything of the kind. bully Not everything is measured by money gentlemen, our designers do not work for money, but for the Fatherland, and they work out very cheaply and menacingly .. Learn to love your Motherland, not money and gesheft. with African Americans .. (joke))))
  • Klingon
    Klingon 31 January 2021 04: 34
    0
    but it won't give them anything. At one time, the MiG-25 was disassembled into cogs, but they could not do anything of the kind.