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Teach what is necessary in war

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War! There is nothing good in it to the reptile, except a fair and liberating component! And so - death, pain, blood, destroyed cities and human destinies! We are a peace-loving people - the Russians, but the one who comes to us with a sword comes, he will perish by the sword - this is not once stories we naturally proved! Here are just krovushki shed a lot of their own and, if we analyze the history from today's 1904 to today, it is not always justified, and sometimes completely unjustified, we acted according to the principle “Nichavo! Peasant Russians give birth again! ”

Teach what is necessary in war


But you don’t have to mix up the heroism of the people with the mistakes of commanders and commanders of all levels who send soldiers to battle! And do not about the justified sacrifices, too! We have an article for rash actions that led to the breakdown of expensive equipment in the factory and factory, and there is an article for rash actions of the commander on the battlefield that led to the death of military personnel strangely clouded with phrases like “What do you want, because this is war!” Or “In a combat situation there is not and cannot be a structurally logical chain of actions!” But this one is like: “The combat algorithm is unpredictable in terms of the percentage loss of l / s and equipment” and “locked down” the regiment after the regiment at anonymous height 376.4, creating called "see fields mouths ", where in the spring on thawed vytaivali of three layers of dead bodies in the summer uniform, then in quilted jackets, and on top in winter overcoat and boots!

Stop criminal attacks in the forehead of the village.

Stop attacks in the forehead on the heights with good shelling.

Attack only on ravines, forests and little shelled ground.

15 March 1942. The city of Zhukov issues a special order regarding attitudes towards personnel, beginning with the words: “In the armies of the Western Front, an absolutely unacceptable attitude towards the saving of personnel has recently been created. Commanders, commanders of formations and units, organizing combat, sending people to perform combat missions, not responsibly approaching the preservation of fighters and commanders. The recent bid for the Western Front is replenished more than other fronts 2 – 3 times, but this replenishment is negligent and sometimes criminal in relation to the commanders of the units to save people's life and health is quickly and unacceptably lost, and some of them remain incomplete.

We will leave a scientifically based percentage of losses in an army offensive and talk about how to reduce them! 200 cargo has its irrefutable truth on the increasing line of military ranks and positions, as well as the types, types of the Armed Forces. This is about the lowest component - the private - the sergeant - the motorized infantry and we will talk! About her darling, about the infantry!

What needs to be done now in the “new look of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation” so that the casualty loss index decreases, in other words, our soldiers would die less on the battlefield! Immediately discard the teachings against Somali pirates and international terrorists in a hut blocked by two motorized rifle brigades, strategic aviation, 3 submarines and special forces of the GRU.

What is necessary now, in a very turbulent international time, to dramatically intensify our motorized infantry in the line of individual training for the year is real, and not on paper, in order to successfully resist the army of Zamumbia or, if you like, Natonia in the future:

Fire individual training moto arrow - this is when a fighter confidently hits a target with personal and auxiliary weapons, as well as confident with the firing means of the unit. Competent firing position equipment throughout the grid of the relief and seasons. Skillful possession of all types of grenades. And do not be sorry for this bullet! Type shoot before the oath and enough with you! At least 3 once a month !!! Think over the award insignia (patches) for the implementation of standards "perfectly well" with the issuance of certificates, by type of weapon. Confident orientation on target designation and fire pattern. Knowledge of enemy fire destruction in a field, forest, mountain – desert terrain, in a city. Defeat targets at night and in special conditions. Coordinated actions on the battlefield as part of a unit and in battle groups.

Individual medical training motorized infantry - an important question, often defining the brink of life and death in small local counter-terrorist operations of our time and significantly affecting the percentage of losses in a big and liberating war! At the moment, our soldier is very vaguely familiar with even the primary military-medical actions to eliminate pain, stopping venous and arterial blood, primary treatment of the burn zone, treatment of amputated wounds of extremities, stitching of cut wounds and actions to normalize and prepare wounds. level chest-belly, according to the types of stabilized injections. It is urgently necessary to proceed to the industrial production of an individually medical kit with blocks of types of injuries and wounds (primary surgical unit special attention), blood transfusion systems. Why only in war do we see a photo of a soldier’s automatic rifle where a medical tourniquet is wrapped around the butt? Each soldier must firmly know the basic types of imposing medical dressings and fixing them - these are the precious moments when there is a question of the life and death of our soldier, sergeant and officer !!! Military medical training of soldiers at a special control! The point about the complex of measures for hygiene in the field, I would highlight for the soldier especially, as they say, the toilet is good and the washstand in the hospital and even the air freshener is worth it, so why just lice and dirty soldiers in the war? A special distinguishing mark (badge) for excellent knowledge of military medical training!

Individual and confident ownership of various communication systems - in modern war, the role of communication is difficult to overestimate - battle management is its foundation! Possession of a division's radio communication systems significantly increases the chances of winning. Radio training imitation of battle, excellent possession of the band - frequency change of channels and call signs, the ability to clearly and in a short time to disassemble the work of the call signs and not create chaos on the air, these are prerequisites for the harmonious work of soldiers on the battlefield! Kadov their actions in all types of battle and, of course, the modification of digital communications in the army, their storage and charging in the field and is one of the guarantees of our victory! Further modification from the interference of closed communications systems platoon - company - battalion - brigade. Badge (badge) for excellent possession of the motorized infantry military communication systems!

Military topography - for the soldier, now at the level of a joke. The old woman on the bench in the village, another old woman: "Look, Ivanovna, the military will go, the map is unfolded - they will now ask for the way!" If 35 masters the topographic percent signs with a grief in half, I’m keeping silence about the tactical military with the situation. Our soldier does not know the coordinate systems and work in them almost, if you still talk to him about the system of geographical coordinates, he grumbles something if he studied well at school, and questions at the level of the system of flat rectangular coordinates, polar and bipolar coordinates cause him a shy smile . And the nomenclature, the measurement of distances, the determination of slopes and areas, the construction of directional angles, target designation from the conventional line, the determination of the mutual visibility of points, the determination of the angle of shelter cause pensiveness on the face! I would especially like to note the orientation of the terrain, the movement in azimuths and work with the simplest magnetic compass. All this is necessary to know the soldier firmly and confidently in the war! Special badge (patch) for excellent knowledge of military topography!

Individual hand-to-hand combat - “A man only once in his life officially becomes a beast, and even worse than him - it's in hand-to-hand combat in war! "A very important component of the combat training motorized infantry, which is almost forgotten. Kick butt, if that! Protection from a knife strike from above, below - that's all !!! Yes! A motorized rifleman is not a ninja or a Special Forces Airborne, but this is not cannon fodder, in order to limit it to a banal set of hand-to-hand combat. It is time to finally turn around in this issue face. Only stabs with a knife are larger than 20 (main), lethal strokes are fewer, but enough too. Receipts with an infantry shovel, painful seizures, seizures for strangulation, for fracture, sweeps and release from capture by the enemy. There is an army hand-to-hand fight, there are combat techniques, special forces hand-to-hand combat systems, everything is there, but our soldier does not know this, at least not worked out to automaticity. At my request to private soldiers, to show the fighting postures of working with a knife (holding and striking the upper, lower, side, as well as interceptions and throws), points of impact on a person’s contour, automatic strikes, shoveling or blocking enemy strikes, care, proper fall — work units and then usually former athletes siloviki. Do not panic, they say, we will prepare the murderers (and in fact, what are we, gardeners preparing for the Army?) Now on the Internet and books on the shelves of this information, and without us abound. In war, it is necessary - yes, it means cooking seriously and daily! A special distinctive sign on the uniform of a soldier (stripe) for excellent possession of hand-to-hand combat techniques !!!!

Maybe someone will say that I am an idealist and a dreamer, someone - that we have all this in the Army for a long time and seriously exists, and someone that is already on the line of a new look in constant-readiness brigades in the order of things! God forbid! If it is true! God forbid !!! I never doubted our soldier, a quick-witted and quick-witted soldier, a mischievous and cunning one, a strong spirit and fearless, a hard-working and hardy soldier, a soldier faithful to his oath!

Give him every day with delicious porridge and sweet compote my 5 points, give real, and not on the page of the magazine of combat training and the weekly schedule of classes, lonely hanging under plexiglass in the company, give! And in a year, our Army will become not just invincible, it will become an army respected in the world, which means that we will have peace in the future! The world for the sake of which our army exists !!!

Ps. Let's not forget every day about:
1. Tactical preparation.
2. RCBZ
3. Technical training.
4. Engineering training.
5. Drill.
6. General military regulations.
7. UCP.
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  1. ward
    ward 21 August 2012 15: 27
    -7
    I read about shooting three times a month and realized ... neither of which has changed ... minus ...
    1. bachast
      bachast 21 August 2012 19: 10
      +3
      and I realized ... nothing has changed ... minus ...

      I cried...
      1. Purgen
        Purgen 21 August 2012 19: 52
        +1
        Cruel and horrible))) "Russian language")))
    2. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 22 August 2012 08: 53
      0
      I read about shooting three times a month and realized ... neither of which has changed ... minus ...
      justify your arguments!
      1. ward
        ward 23 August 2012 21: 38
        0
        I shot every day ... before the army, the first category in small-scale shooting ... and the result is not very ... the norm was for the growth target 500 meters ... from 28 to get 20 .... and three times a month it just a transfer of cartridges ... for example, the wife’s brother was escorted ... they shot twice a week ... the convict escaped ... five shot from two hundred meters ... in the store ... he ran away from the heart ... so in 78 -79 year three times a month and motorized gunners shot ... if the author believes that this is enough ... and more about the Russian language ... it's a full polar fox ...It seems Russian for some present is not native ....
    3. Maks111
      Maks111 22 August 2012 11: 08
      +1
      I believe that it is impossible to teach everything in 1-2 years of a soldier. therefore, I propose the following. For example, orienteering can be taught at school. Also in school you can teach partly theories. Then I think it’s necessary to reduce the number of combat units, let the joyful troops learn beautifully and walk with a song. as for melee, it needs practice. Therefore, in units you can regularly arrange fisticuffs wall to wall (after having previously issued soldiers with personal protection equipment).
      We must also not forget about psychological preparation. For example, organize campaigns in autopsy morgues so that the soldiers get used to the look of the human body from the inside, they will certainly encounter this in the war and here some may have problems.
      As for physical training, in the army you won’t have time to physically prepare for a soldier in 1 year, so you also need to start from school, and preferably from a kindergarten.

      Yes ... and ... we have many veterans who are no longer needed (Chechnya, Afghanistan), and so make them instructors in the units, let them transfer the combat experience to the rest.
      1. geo791
        geo791 22 August 2012 12: 04
        +4
        during my term, I was pleased when I was digging trenches, at shooting, at exits, I realized that I was doing what I should, even the OZK was morally easier to tolerate than a dumb drill step. The unit before the shooting was 24 km, always at its 2 with all the introductory notes, no one refused and didn’t mow with me, everyone knew, get to the training ground, shoot, I want
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 22 August 2012 14: 21
          +1
          Right !!! In training, we had firing at least 2 times a week, fired from everything that was in service in the division (we mean small arms) ... Also, we dug trenches and learned to mask in the forest, I won’t remember anything .... Then the truth in the combat unit had to be re-qualified as management houses, as they say laughing I studied the equipment directly (I served it on the DCM), but I still remember everything that I was taught at the combined arms ... good
      2. eduard.ganush
        eduard.ganush 22 August 2012 15: 54
        0
        Well, at the expense of the morgue, you went too far. And the rest I agree.
  2. Igarr
    Igarr 21 August 2012 15: 31
    +17
    Totally agree.
    I will fully support.
    Train instructors - yes in parts.
    Yes, start to organize competitions.
    Yes, badge badges come up with different ones.
    You look, in a year or two - to remain in the ranks ... will be requested.
    Good topic.
    Execution would still ...
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 21 August 2012 19: 05
      +19
      And of course, do not forget to revive Primary Military Training (CWP) in schools, mindlessly squandering our stable politicians! Even if you have to go to extreme measures and shorten the hours allocated to "Word of God" and the study of contraception!
      Even if our politicians decide that NVP is not included in the list of free items, at least a paid course is worth doing!
      And then it seems that overseas the enemies are only among the people, and our rulers have only friends and real estate there, and the option of war is generally not considered unbelievable!
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 22 August 2012 09: 09
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        Even if you have to go to extreme measures and shorten the hours allocated to "Word of God" and the study of contraception!


        Ahhhh !!!! Vmazal !!!! Offset !!! + 100.
        1. taseka
          22 August 2012 13: 58
          0
          +++ Yes! This makes sense before the war !!!
      2. Maks111
        Maks111 22 August 2012 11: 17
        0
        If you don’t wake them up to teach the "Word of God" then you will produce stupid degenerates and critins who will be dangerous in their hands to give weapons. Suvorov sang in the kliros, Ushakov was canonized, Nevsky was canonized, Ilya Muromets became a monk, now his moshi rests in the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra. During our thousand-year history we have always (except the USSR) fought with God and fought successfully and fought not in numbers, but by skill.
        1. taseka
          22 August 2012 14: 00
          0
          This year, he venerated the holy relics of Ilya Muromets in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra !!!!
        2. Raven1972
          Raven1972 22 August 2012 14: 59
          +1
          And explain to me, HOW does God's word replace knowledge of mathematics and physics? Tactics? At worst, a Kalashnikov assault rifle device ???? All those people whom you listed won not with the word of God, but with their knowledge and skills !!!!! And all of them were first and foremost the PATRIOTS of their homeland, and only then everything else ... And they were canonized for their victories because they defended their native land, and not because they sang in a church choir and sat in monasteries .. .. So somehow ...
      3. taseka
        22 August 2012 13: 56
        0
        And here, S_mirnov - I agree with you !!!
      4. Raven1972
        Raven1972 22 August 2012 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        And of course, do not forget to revive the Primary Military Training (NVP) in schools, thoughtlessly spoiled by our stable politicians!

        Definitely +++++++ !!!! Even if he later slopes away from the army, he will know how to hold the machine gun in his hands and that any tank will stop the crowbar into the caterpillar !!! good
    2. taseka
      22 August 2012 13: 53
      0
      Thank you, Igarr - we understood each other!
  3. Ash
    Ash 21 August 2012 15: 32
    +5
    Unlike a good shooter or signalman, a good hand-to-hand fighter cannot be done in 1 year.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 21 August 2012 15: 37
      +9
      Are you serious about the signalman? Do you think it's enough to train a techie for a year? Although I am not in the army, young people come with a "technical education"; they are not fully prepared, some do not even know Ohm's law, for a year they are only in the know ...
      1. Armata
        Armata 21 August 2012 15: 44
        +8
        Quote: Ash

        Unlike a good shooter or signalman, a good melee fighter in 1 cannot be made
        No one can really be taught in a year, neither a signalman, nor a shooter, nor a mechanic. So it is necessary to review everything from the service life and provision of a soldier. But badges and letters are secondary.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 21 August 2012 15: 51
          +12
          In general, the scourge of today's youth (to which I consider myself) is a complete ignorance, I also notice that I don’t have a Soviet education, although I was never a two-year-old, I work in IT, the older generation grabs my head, it reassures me that everyone says something wrong bad, and we are trying. But when newly-minted graduates come to work, it becomes scary, it seems like the guys are not bad and grasp the subtleties, but what they excuse me for five years.
          What I mean, in the 90s a "hole" was formed in education, now it all comes out, the age of non-professionals has come in Russia
          1. Isr
            Isr 21 August 2012 21: 37
            +5
            I do not want to seem ill-mannered. No offense, okay?
            Generally the scourge of today's youth - Generally, the scourge of today's youth ...
            lacks - lacks
            not when - never
            calms only what they say ... - calms only that, what they say ...
            but what did they excuse for five years - but what did they, sorry, five years engaged?
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 August 2012 08: 33
              0
              Here I am about the same ...
          2. taseka
            22 August 2012 14: 07
            0
            So let's fix this "hole" in the Army !!! Where ignorance is equal to death !!!
        2. Manager
          Manager 21 August 2012 16: 02
          +13
          Lord of the year is not enough. With the right approach, with good instructors and sergeants, you can achieve what you did not achieve 10 years ago or 2 years in a year. Just imagine for example the signalmen who.
          1) from 7 00 - 8 00 Mandatory charging with elements of a melee.
          2) from 8 00 - 9 00 eating.
          3) from 10-00 - 14-00 Shooting.
          4) from 14-00-16-00 Lunch and personal time.
          5) from 16-00-19-00 Classes on the subject of Signalers, etc.
          6) 19-00 - 20 - 00 Physical procurement.
          7) 20-00 - 21-00 Dinner

          And then hang up.
          On weekends, compulsory departure to the area.
          With such a schedule, day and year is enough.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 21 August 2012 16: 07
            +1
            That's right, again, I’m not only talking about the army, in principle, now there is a large flow of information, technical means are given an increasingly important role ...
            I’m for a professional army, I’ll probably leave the term as fees, etc., Dad periodically leaves for the training camps, so this is probably still in shape, so there would be more fees ... ehe..heh ...
          2. leon-iv
            leon-iv 21 August 2012 17: 48
            +6
            Manager
            You still have a poor idea of ​​preparation methods.
            here’s a very clear daily routine
            07: 00 Rise
            07:10 - 08:00 Charging
            08:10 - 08:20 Morning inspection
            08:20 - 08:50 Breakfast
            08:50 - 09:20 Informing personnel or training
            09:20 - 09:30 Divorce to class
            09:30 - 10:50 1st academic hour
            10:30 - 11:50 2st academic hour
            11:30 - 12:50 3st academic hour
            12:30 - 13:50 4st academic hour
            13:50 - 14:00 Preparation for dinner, shoe shine, washing.
            14: 00 - 14: 30 Lunch
            14:30 - 14:40 Afternoon divorce
            14:40 - 15:40 Afternoon
            15:40 - 15:50 Divorce to class
            15:50 - 16:40 5st academic hour
            16:50 - 17:40 6st academic hour
            17:40 - 18:30 Cleaning weapons, working with equipment
            18: 30 - 19: 20 Self-preparation
            19:30 - 20:20 Educational (or mass sports) work
            20:20 - 20:30 Preparation for dinner
            20: 30 - 21: 00 Dinner
            21:00 - 22:00 Personal time
            22:00 - 22:30 Watching television news
            22:30 - 22:40 Evening walk
            22:40 - 22:50 Evening check
            23: 00

            And remember NO, NO melee until 10-11 hours.

            And provide a normal day off on Sundays if there are no scheduled classes and exercises.
            1. Generalissimus
              Generalissimus 21 August 2012 18: 45
              +5
              It's funny to read ..

              Do you know the typical border guard day?
              Purely for example ..
              20.00 Battle calculation.
              20.15-00.30 Outfit Watch.
              00.45- 04.50 Sleep
              05.15 - 8.30 Outfit Secret
              08.45- 9.15 Breakfast
              9.30 -11.30 Sleep
              11.45 -15.45 Outfit Watch
              16.00- 16-30 Lunch.
              16.45-18.35 Sleep
              19.00-19.30 Dinner.
              20.00 Battle calculation.
              No exact minutes, no routine. He came, handed over his weapon, to the kitchen for a hawk. I ate in a bunk .. I slept for a couple of hours, climbed to the flank or somewhere else .. I returned, you go to fill your 8 hours a day .. I just lay down - the system worked out ..
              And something like that was day after day, 2 days off a month, 2 years. Birthday sometimes, once a year, becomes the third, if in the 20 days of the month.
              =)) The average daily load of 14-15 hours. If the RAM is calm, then 10-12. Then everyone who didn’t run away - to the shooting range, to the teeth in the teeth and to the last bullet, until the roof goes from shooting.
              What nafig classes? Even Lenin’s hour was not spent. Have a free hour? Marshbrosok or STPV,
              In combat calculation, sleep accumulates .. It used to happen that tails pass from day to day. Debts on 10-12 hours of lack of sleep.
              The commander is tracking. Then, if he sees that his eyes are squinting, or dofiga debts, he gives a day off. You sleep a day .. if, there are no triggers. The person on duty at the meal is not even suitable to wake up .. "Better not to eat enough than not to sleep enough."


              And what is characteristic, the best individual training, fire, physical, investigation, camouflage - in the border troops.
              However, we and KMB 5 months was like a sergeant school in the army.
              1. ser86
                ser86 22 August 2012 03: 53
                0
                Half of what the author wrote is taken from the Tactics of the Border Troops)))
                There is even a chapter about auto-training)
                Training goes off with a bang only if the soldier is interned
                1. taseka
                  22 August 2012 14: 17
                  0
                  No, ser86 - this is taken from the 34 years of the sapper
            2. Blazard
              Blazard 22 August 2012 00: 39
              +1
              You have a few flaws in the schedule.
              1) Depending on the time of year (summer \ winter), the rise and rebound in ordinary parts is shifted by an hour. In winter they get up and lie down later, earlier in the summer, respectively. Although now it is probably already irrelevant ...
              2) Lunch takes more time than dinner and breakfast.
              3) Dinner should be held from 18.00 to 19.00.
              4) Mass sports are usually held on Saturdays. Educational - on Sundays.
              Well, the little things: not verification, but verification, because there they do not check the appearance, but check the presence of personnel with a list of staffing. And before the end of the call, as a rule, a personal examination is carried out, in which the late separation physician or sergeant checks the hygiene of the personnel, as well as the presence of bruises / skin diseases.
              1. taseka
                22 August 2012 14: 20
                0
                And this, Blazard must be taken into account - I agree!
            3. Manager
              Manager 22 August 2012 10: 00
              +1
              Quote: leon-iv
              leon-iv (1) Yesterday, 17:48 ↑ 7 
              Manager
              You still have a poor idea of ​​preparation methods.
              here’s a very clear daily routine


              Here's another mistake. You cling to dominant descriptions. And in your schedule everything is vague and indistinct as it is now. "An hour of study, divorce, shoe shine ... Where is your shooting? Where is your Teachings? Where is your hand-to-hand combat ...
              So it turns out like now. During school hours, soldiers are given lectures of the 60s that are absolutely unnecessary, they say America is our enemy. The rest of the time is drill and dinner preparation! Why prepare for it? To clear the stomach? In general, nonsense of a gray mare. 50 points of a mediocre day in the Army. For comparison, in the Chinese and Israeli armies during these hours while ours are preparing for lunch and listening to lectures on "geography", they shoot there and study live equipment. Here is the army with your stupid Soviet daily routine. And I also forgot about the often drunken years ...
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 22 August 2012 12: 37
                0
                Where is your shooting?
                Do you think the army needs to shoot every day?
                Mdya naive. The lesson necessary for obtaining this WMR is introduced at the school hour. They are held both in classrooms and at training grounds.
                Or do you think everyone is sitting diligently and listening to the deputy on my pussy?
                What to prepare for it?
                I give birth, wash eggs and legs, for example, after the landfill.
                Where do you have hand-to-hand fighting ....
                usually everything falls here
                18: 30 - 19: 20 Self-preparation
                19:30 - 20:20 Educational (or mass sports) work
                Here you have the army with your stupid Soviet daily routine.
                You bring and we will discuss. Applied to the WM and to the climate.

                Threat do not have to tear a vest. Many people were engaged on this schedule no stupider than us.
              2. taseka
                22 August 2012 14: 23
                0
                It is not necessary to consider all the "summer" drunkards all over the place! At the training camp this year, in July, I met a lot of competent and honest lieutenants who are heartbroken for the l / s and the combat component !!!
            4. taseka
              22 August 2012 14: 13
              0
              Leon IV so let all this really be done !!! And further! Find the daily routine on the Internet for the US-Germany troops-the UK and France ... and just compare !!!!
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 22 August 2012 14: 49
                0
                This is another question of the responsibility and interest of officers and sergeants.
                But the routine is the only difference in climate
                8-week Basic Training Schedule

                05:00 am - Wake up
                05:30 am - Physical Training
                07:00 am - Breakfast
                0900 am - Work / school
                09:30 am - Snack
                12: -00 pm - Lunch
                2:30 pm - Snack
                5 pm - Dinner
                6 pm - 9:40 pm - Personal Time
                9:45 pm - Lights Out!
          3. uizik
            uizik 21 August 2012 19: 32
            +3
            He served in the 70s, graduated from training. But still did not forget the SES! A couple of days of intense training and battle! That's how they cooked in CA!
          4. Ramses_IV
            Ramses_IV 22 August 2012 05: 33
            +3
            In this situation, young people will be drawn into the army. So I won’t ask any of my acquaintances - so no one else shot 60 cartridges during the service. And this is called fire training ??? I was lucky - the incident helped and I learned in practice to handle and shoot from almost all the small arms that we have in service, even from the ABS. But this is garbage, because in e
            That business needs consistency and constancy + outings to the terrain for classes, as correctly indicated above. And if it will be, then it will be informative and interesting for the vast majority of drugs. I hope we will live to see such a "renaissance" of the RF Armed Forces.
            The article is a fat plus.
            1. taseka
              22 August 2012 14: 29
              0
              Thank you! Ramses! They caught your essence and mine !!!
          5. taseka
            22 August 2012 14: 09
            0
            Respect Manager!
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 21 August 2012 19: 09
          +4
          With competent primary education for the year, you can prepare both the shooter and the radio operator and the tankman. Only for this we need to start cooking from school, there was such an organization DOSAF. It would be nice to revive, but only the state has little money, it’s not enough to steal and revive. What to do in this case decide for yourself.
        4. Cadet787
          Cadet787 21 August 2012 23: 02
          +3
          I welcome Zhenya. It is also necessary to take into account the ideological component, with whom or with what to associate the word "Motherland"?
        5. Maks111
          Maks111 22 August 2012 11: 20
          0
          We also need to make the draft age from the age of 21, so that they will come to the army already with education and profession. And at 21 in the head less dope, and the body is stronger.
        6. taseka
          22 August 2012 14: 04
          0
          Dear Marshal - badges and stripes are by no means secondary for youthful maximalism! "Someone came down from the hill ,,, and a scarlet order on his chest !!"
        7. Raven1972
          Raven1972 22 August 2012 14: 48
          0
          Quote: Steam Train
          No one can really be taught in a year, neither a signalman, nor a shooter, nor a mechanic.

          I agree with you, 1 year of service is zilch ... He himself served 2 years, and Dad is 3, and he is in aviation .... So he returned with such a specialty that they took him to our airport with his arms and legs .... + do not forget about school and vocational education - for example, when I was in school, I got the rights of a tractor driver, the driver, + OTSh DOSAAF worked hard .... That is there was a training system ...
          And the education itself was an order of magnitude higher than the current .... yes
      2. Delink
        Delink 21 August 2012 19: 34
        +2
        our young people come with "technical education" they are not fully prepared, some do not even know Ohm's law


        So they were taught that way, and they remembered even worse. It depends on ourselves how we will study and serve or work. Or they sent some distributions ... to ... ev.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 22 August 2012 18: 33
          -1
          our young people come with "technical education" they are not fully prepared, some do not even know Ohm's law

          So they were taught that way, and they remembered even worse.

          Actually, Ohm's law is studied at school, and not in secondary and higher technical ...
    2. Supervision
      Supervision 21 August 2012 16: 15
      0
      and this is not necessary if it shoots accurately
  4. mechanic33
    mechanic33 21 August 2012 15: 36
    +10
    everything is very correct, I would add the psychological training of a fighter ..

    The sword in the hands of a coward is shorter than the assassin’s dagger.
    The sword in the hands of a villain is just an ax in the hands of the executioner.
    The sword in the hands of a loafer is a blunt kitchen knife.
    The sword in the hands of a fool is an uncouth, clumsy club.
  5. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 21 August 2012 15: 36
    +2
    Well written, only in a year conscripts can hardly be taught the subtleties, the base would be mastered!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 August 2012 18: 53
      +3
      You can prepare for six months, for six months - to fix. This is quite real.
      1. taseka
        22 August 2012 14: 32
        0
        I agree. Pimpy!
    2. Delink
      Delink 21 August 2012 19: 39
      0
      This is how they will drive into young heads
  6. erased
    erased 21 August 2012 15: 37
    +3
    In the army, according to the instructions of shooting, it seems to be twice a week.
    The slogan is old, since the 30s, then it was updated many times depending on the time.
    The training of a conscript soldier seems to be painted from and to depending on the military specialty. It is just necessary to accurately and scrupulously fulfill the plans.
    Ultimately, it all depends on commanders of all ranks. That is, starting from the supreme commander in chief and up to the commander’s platoon. Apart from the junior command staff. So the will of the upper classes plus control over the execution is the prepared army.
    And the extra chatter and concussion (of the network) give nothing but the pros or cons in evaluating the article.
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 14: 35
      0
      Cons and pros, dear - I have one place! But the unnecessary concussion and "chatter" do not exclude that they will shake at least one soul in the BP.MO department !!!
  7. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 21 August 2012 15: 42
    +2
    You forgot the main thing. Physical fitness and endurance and survival training. These are the basics of preparing a warrior.
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 14: 37
      0
      I agree - Captain Vrungel!
  8. mar.tira
    mar.tira 21 August 2012 15: 45
    +5
    But when Taburetkin stops confusing his pocket with the state, and stops buying gold toilets, and furniture instead of warships and equipment. there will be literate, battle-hardened, honest officers and generals, and not wiping their pants, staff careerists from relatives, looking in the mouth of the minister, and always voting "FOR", for wild orders and destruction. Then maybe that will happen! Now, alas, not very good things yet!
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 22 August 2012 15: 23
      0
      I completely agree - the largest scourge of the army - peacetime generals ..... am
  9. strannik595
    strannik595 21 August 2012 15: 46
    -8
    drooling, snot and emotions .................. the author is awesomely clever, the impression is that he passed from Russian-Japanese to Afghanistan l and h ........ ......... and all the idiots were there, and they didn’t know about it, and they weren’t taught this, and they didn’t want to live .......... all the Honduras, one I, Artagnan
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 14: 43
      0
      Well actually mister stannik595, I am a professor. My great-grandfather fought in Russian-Japanese, grandfather fought in the revolution, father in 2 world, and I also saw everything with 1979 !!!
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 August 2012 15: 56
    +2
    As my beginner said. headquarters major B ..... "Blood, sand, shit and sugar." I did not find anything new in the article ............ In an ideal military unit, teach all this if the officers are not too lazy and they themselves know something. To reduce losses on the battlefield among the personnel, you just need to prepare it "Heavy in training - easy in battle" !!!!!
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 14: 45
      0
      Case JonniT not in the article, it's in realities !!!
  11. fetus
    fetus 21 August 2012 16: 02
    +10
    I recently returned from the army and I can say that we had a part of constant combat readiness, there were firing 2 times a week, and there were tactical exercises, and all other exercises on paper were mainly, so this is a plus article. The whole problem is that most of the officers themselves absolutely do not want to do it, in order to prepare a normal soldier you need to try, but why stay away if he leaves in a year. They don’t teach anything special there.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 21 August 2012 20: 21
      0
      one year of service, this is not a soldier, but cannon fodder. The article is good, but for the requirements and standards for training a soldier to be feasible, time is needed, and for this, either contract soldiers or a service life of at least 2 years are needed. DOSAAF will not help, or rather it will help a little.
      1. bachast
        bachast 21 August 2012 20: 26
        0
        What troops did you serve in?
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 22 August 2012 09: 16
          +2
          valokordin, such an example: a graduate of the Polytechnic Institute, during the year of the army went right up to the commander of the ZAS. Sergeant. Demobilized this year, now settled in the FSB. About the same position, only taking into account the high-ranking officer, a lieutenant will be made of him. So if you have brains, then in a year you can become a specialist.
      2. taseka
        22 August 2012 14: 50
        0
        NVP at school, TRP in life and the sign of the DEFENSE OF THE HOMELAND IN THE INSTITUTE !!!
    2. taseka
      22 August 2012 14: 48
      0
      For the plus, fetus Thank you, I think that now the young officers of Russia will raise us from our knees!
  12. bachast
    bachast 21 August 2012 16: 06
    0
    Maybe someone will say that I am an idealist and a dreamer
    i will say

    with fire weapons
    FROM fire weapons ..
    The point on the set of measures for hygiene in the field, for a soldier, I would especially emphasize, as they say, a toilet and a washbasin in a hospital are good and even an air freshener, so why are lice and grimy soldiers in the war?
    if you had seen a war, the questions about griminess would have disappeared by themselves
    Soldier uniform
    count how much he will have to sew, if he is an excellent student in military and political))
    And they took it somehow narrowly:
    1. Tactical preparation.
    2. RCBZ
    3. Technical training.
    4. Engineering training.
    5. Drill.
    6. General military regulations.
    7. UCP.

    These 7 points are what our MoD thought and thought of yesterday and today. For example, you didn’t indicate physical and psychological training, and the RKhBZ is in second place. Well? Drill, Statutes, UCP, this is not enough today ??? a bit like the school’s demand for 100% achievement of all students, or a temperature of 36.6 for all patients in the hospital.
    1. bachast
      bachast 21 August 2012 16: 24
      0
      And where did you see lice? Don’t you talk about bedding by chance? Who came across in the barracks where
      good toilet and washbasin in the hospital and even an air freshener
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 21 August 2012 16: 52
        +2
        That's right. They are on the drum for good toilets, and for the cleanliness and comfort of the barracks on the drum. By the way, not bed, clothes. In common parlance, the Bethers. The echo of war.
      2. taseka
        22 August 2012 14: 56
        0
        Stupid! You, bachast Wonderfully understood where they appear and in what conditions!
        1. bachast
          bachast 22 August 2012 15: 14
          0
          And what exactly is stupid? Do you think I wanted to prick you? No. I only show your contradictions, as I see them. The insects in the ostentation were where the toilets and washbasins (as the bathers correctly reminded), but during the fighting met. That's why I ask you, where did you see?
    2. Col.
      Col. 21 August 2012 16: 24
      -1
      Quote: bachast
      For example, you did not indicate physical and psychological training, and RCHBZ is in second place. Well?

      Never mind. An amateur wrote an article who had no idea about such documents as the Combat Charter, the Manual on the preparation and conduct of hostilities (various branches of the armed forces), KBP, NSOSh, RVRM and many others.
      1. taseka
        22 August 2012 15: 01
        0
        It is a pity that you have such a respected nickname as - "Colonel" You see everything according to the instructions used to fight! According to BUSV - KBP - NSOSH - RVRM - you are a soldier, then do not forget for these instructions !!!
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 22 August 2012 15: 14
          0
          Just the same charters need to fight without them an army of rabble. Only at the necessary moments should they be rethought creatively. And most importantly, execute the ORDER. I somehow got a nuisance because I decided to save the life of a l / s but to delay the execution of the order for 7 hours.
        2. Col.
          Col. 22 August 2012 15: 22
          0
          Quote: taseka
          You see everything according to the instructions used to fight!

          Alexander, I didn’t want to offend you, I just didn’t quite understand by what principles you compiled your list of priorities at the end of the article. Piled up a bunch to choose the types of combat training, combat support, special training and special forces. And why only xnumx points? And where is reconnaissance training, physical training, professional (former commander), etc.?
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 21 August 2012 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: bachast
      if you had seen a war, the questions about griminess would have disappeared by themselves

      Dear Isaac!
      Here I do not agree with you a bit, in our army, after the transition to NATO standards, much has changed for the better!
      Even at the front of the barracks in perfect condition, almost with a European-quality repair!
      I think this can and should be done!
      That is, you don’t see a grimy soldier at the front!
      1. bachast
        bachast 21 August 2012 21: 19
        0
        I will not say anything. So as not to look rude wink
        But you don’t agree with the author either. I understood
        so why in the war immediately lice and grimy soldiers?
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 22 August 2012 09: 22
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          That is, you don’t see a grimy soldier at the front!


          Alibek, they are fighting ON THE FRONT, and not in the barracks with European-quality repair. I somehow poorly imagine the barracks precisely at the front, that is, in the area of ​​the database. This is some kind of strange war turns out, if that: rise, breakfast, went to fight, fought and back to the barracks. No, there was a war similar, France and England so fought with the Germans in World War II until the Germans got tired and they atoned for them in Dunkirk. But even there life was in the trenches and dugouts. video frames are enough.

          Quote: Yarbay
          Even at the front of the barracks in perfect condition, almost with a European-quality repair!


          I don’t understand, is it a joke in the direction of NATO standards or?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 22 August 2012 17: 02
            0
            [quote = Banshee] But even there life was in the trenches and dugouts. video frames are enough [/ quote

            [quote = Banshee] I don’t understand, is it a joke in the direction of NATO standards or? [/ quote]
            Hello Roman!
            I mean the barracks !! this is really so with us everywhere !!
            Of course there are no barracks in the trenches and at the posts, but believe me, in comparison with what was in my time in the early 90s, heaven and earth!
            In the immediate vicinity of the fighting positions there are barracks, in perfect condition, not temporary huts !!
            I will try to find and expose on the network!
            That is, the attitude towards the provision of soldiers has changed, it has become much better!
            We must be honest in this sense, these standards are the best I've seen!
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 22 August 2012 17: 05
          0
          Quote: bachast
          .I understand

          You have great fun)))))))))))
          I don’t even know what to answer !!
          Apparently inattentively read your koment !!
    4. taseka
      22 August 2012 14: 53
      0
      What if, bachast to this and not start the path, then the goal is missing !!! I did not set a goal to rewrite the combat training program, I set a goal to raise the topic!
      1. bachast
        bachast 22 August 2012 15: 19
        0
        You do not blame me. I try to respond to the comment (topic) and not to the author. You need to change and much, I agree. But you didn’t offer anything new. You can’t make a fighter universal, versatile in any case. Prioritize the RCMB ... .
  13. vorobey
    vorobey 21 August 2012 16: 13
    +7
    I read, smiled.

    special, on demobilization like a peacock in stripes will leave. Yes, and in battle it is easier for a sniper. I make a proposal to encrypt the stripes and change the key regularly.

    Taseka, the scream is clear, you can even draw up a combat training plan, only a year is not enough. here at least learn the basics. But for opinion plus
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 21 August 2012 16: 26
      +2
      Here are the evil ones ...
      why stripes? Needles pierce.
      Badges, such as orders. It is wider and more massive, so that it is protected from the scapula in the throat.
      To take those who come back as a generalissimo of Colombia in a year (all in feathers, cords, epaulettes ... just not bows with ruffles) - here even a slanting homeless person will get offhand with his left hand.
      All that they are wrong .... uhhhhh.
      here's the thought about ZAS for stripes - really liked. So, it’s necessary to carry some kind of nititsap in your pocket.
      .....
      And the thought constantly gnaws at me - who will do it?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 August 2012 16: 47
        +3
        Quote: Igarr
        Badges, such as orders. Wider and more massive, so that they protect from the shoulder blade to the throat


        Well then Kevlar plates.

        The better a fighter learns
        the more secure the end.

        In straight Like a lobster, hayam, two lines, but the meaning in them ...
        1. taseka
          22 August 2012 15: 11
          0
          Sparrow - the button in the buttonhole will go too!
      2. taseka
        22 August 2012 15: 10
        0
        Yes to me. Igarr it’s just interesting to see a soldier on the street with a patch (badge) for excellent command of military medical training - it will be cool !!!
    2. DIMS
      DIMS 21 August 2012 16: 56
      +4
      Patches are the easiest and most straightforward way to make learning more competitive. If the commander cannot think of anything else, then it is possible. Here the question is already in his professionalism.
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 21 August 2012 23: 12
      +4
      Me too, but not just because of the stripes and badges. First, fire training at the KMB should be almost daily with complication. Personal, troika, squad, platoon, action with armored vehicles, in urban areas and as final battalion exercises involving artillery, helicopters and tanks. This is 5-6 months depending on intensity. Then 5-6 monthly courses of individual special training are the calculation of ATGMs, machine gunner, signalman, orderly, etc. After a year, the distribution in linear parts. I mean that on the KMB all fighters will receive general skills in all types of weapons, but today specialized courses are needed.
      1. taseka
        22 August 2012 15: 12
        0
        Aaron Zawi - respect !!
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 23 August 2012 18: 06
        0
        5-6 months - bend over. In most disciplines, a couple of weeks is enough. Although some would be worth longer (snipers). Orderlies - would also be worth increasing.
    4. taseka
      22 August 2012 15: 06
      0
      vorobey - Of course, in the future war, I do not smile, but I see how shitty, but what I understood each other +
  14. volcano
    volcano 21 August 2012 16: 15
    +3
    Everything is certainly correct and true.
    But the main trouble is the service life. 1 year is small at any intensity.
    I remind you of the saying "Experience, like sexual impotence, comes over the years."
    And the Army is fully concerned.
    You must either increase the service life of years to 3, with an increase in the draft age from 18 by at least 21-22 years.
    Or rest against and transfer the Army to a contract.
    And then apply everything that the author writes about.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 22 August 2012 09: 24
      0
      Quote: volkan
      You must either increase the service life of years to 3, with an increase in the draft age from 18 by at least 21-22 years.


      Yeah, and introduce special troops to capture those who want to serve! Now they are still doing it, they don’t want to do it for a year (there are acquaintances), and if again 2-3, then all the youth will be terminally ill.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 22 August 2012 17: 10
        +1
        Novel!
        You just need to create normal conditions for the service and no one will run away !!
        Again I want to give an example of my country !!
        After and during the first war there was a lot of desertion, especially intensified during the period of major defeats, anarchy!
        How the victories began, they began to flee back to the army! Then they saw that they had not demobilized for a long time, there were employees for 5-6 years, and again they started to run!
        Now we have created conditions of service and the people again strive for the army !!
    2. taseka
      22 August 2012 15: 14
      0
      The main thing. volcano - to begin!!!
  15. Goodmen
    Goodmen 21 August 2012 16: 17
    +3
    Did I understand everything correctly? what
    To step on swamps and impassable thickets? This is about what age?
    And the technique? Imagine a large motorized rifle unit making its way through shit ... enemy reconnaissance is on the alert ... now there is enough technical means ... and then a missile launch and there is no cunning unit ... (maybe it’s rudely stated, but such realities if you fight with NATO) ....
    it seems to me that the future is for the Strategic Missile Forces, Navy, Air Force and Airborne Forces + saboteurs of the Special Forces of the GRU ... mobile and cheerful ... and motorized riflemen with black oil sweeps do and the local foci of resistance suppress ... something like that if the article is about large-scale combat actions ...
    (a little secret - before the war to hang all the "human rights defenders" ... whoever is in the subject will understand)
    A little shelled area-is it to attack the rear? Or, by early agreement, enemy soldiers will pile up and turn away? wink
    But in order to improve the training of a motorized rifle (for a year it’s not realistic, he will only be able to figure out where he’s got for six months), he needs to be interested in this training, increase its service life, provide benefits, etc. etc. here you need to write a new article on this issue ...
    And the author’s inner disposition is clear and I support him!
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 21 August 2012 16: 24
      +9
      Quote: Goodmen
      (a little secret - before the war to hang all the "human rights defenders" ... whoever is in the subject will understand)


      better in advance.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 21 August 2012 17: 56
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        to hang all the "human rights activists" before the war ..

        for most now the rope is crying am
      2. taseka
        22 August 2012 15: 18
        0
        Here I am with two hands - for !!!
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 21 August 2012 17: 56
      +3
      large motorized rifle unit
      if good engineering engineer support is given and engineering engineer reconnaissance is carried out, then there will be no problems.
      To step on swamps and impassable thickets? This is about what age?
      You can immediately see the spices. All roads mine, shoot, and control.
      I think the future is for the Strategic Missile Forces, Navy, Air Force and Airborne
      But I don’t think so))))
      while motorized riflemen with fuel oil do a mopping-up operation and local foci of resistance are suppressed ... somehow, if the article is about large-scale military operations ...
      You compare the forces and means of destruction of a heavy brigade, then we will talk with you who should suppress whom.
    3. taseka
      22 August 2012 15: 17
      +1
      Respected goodmen! Let me remind you the words from the wonderful film "Only old men go to battle" - And in the end, our infantry will be the first to sign on the Reichstag !!!
  16. Owl
    Owl 21 August 2012 16: 19
    +4
    For ONE year of military service, it is very unlikely to train a motorized rifle soldier (paratrooper, marine, signalman, air defense officer, etc.) in excellent shooting from individual weapons, knowledge of military topography, medical training (at the level of a paramedic), good knowledge of the means of military communication link platoon-company. Soldiers also serve in a dress (in the daily allowance, in part, in the garrison), and they take over on guard duty and on duty (including combat). If this article is about the training of contract soldiers, then you can only vote FOR, and if these are illusory dreams in the style of "Boy-Kibalchish", then no one believes in fairy tales for a long time.
    1. Cesar_Xnumx
      Cesar_Xnumx 21 August 2012 17: 57
      +2
      For six months I learned how to work on ZAS equipment, I still remember) Yes, and I shot well. And he managed to go to the outfits. It all depends on the wishes of the soldier. Well, from the mentors of course.
    2. taseka
      22 August 2012 15: 22
      +1
      Dear, Owl - if you do not set goals, then there will be no one to ask! The gradual build-up of BP will shift the swamp of formalism and preserve the lives of soldiers in the ultimate goal !!!
  17. Supervision
    Supervision 21 August 2012 16: 23
    +2
    There is a way out, you must first teach someone who will teach, otherwise it turned out that we included a survival course, the program was even given and taught by a lieutenant who completed a tank school to survive in the special conditions of contract soldiers who can sometimes teach more ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 21 August 2012 16: 36
      +3
      Well this is not a flaw. Being the green flyer of the shameful, I did not see anything from the demobilization of knowledge, and passing it on.

      From the course of philosophy to mine experience is practice.
  18. Mikado
    Mikado 21 August 2012 16: 25
    0
    badges for various statutory achievements and now generally in bulk
  19. Oladushkin
    Oladushkin 21 August 2012 16: 33
    +8
    The author is a young man!
    It is necessary to create a feedback of responsibility from the people to the authorities. Profucked a million? Go work out from the chair to the machine. Put a battalion in front of machine guns? You to the Special Division, under the tribunal. For example, I am not at all sorry for Nicholas 2, together with his family, who was upset about his affairs, no matter what they read out in the verdict. Well, not a pity, well, not a bit. And there is nothing to lament about the murdered beast. How many thousands of people did he put in the World War I, which was useless for the country? What did he, as Zheglov said, coupons for enhanced nutrition? The crown is my friend, not pancakes with caviar, but responsibility.
    And frankly, it’s ridiculous to look at how they try to make a professional soldier out of a young guy in 1 year. This is utopia. When there were 3 years of service in the ground units and 4 in the fleet, they reduced it to 2 and 3 years after the Great Patriotic War, respectively, and then doubted whether it was possible to fully master the technique that is simply ridiculous in its complexity compared to the current one. Army men say that conscripts only get used to the army for six months, it just turns out to be able to walk normally.
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 15: 26
      0
      Thank you. Oladuskin, Fuck with him Nicholas, I am only against the execution of his children!
  20. Nechai
    Nechai 21 August 2012 16: 34
    +9
    Quote: ward
    I read about shooting three times a month and realized ... neither of which has changed ... minus.

    That's just the same CHANGED - the b / training system that was in the CA was poher. Only yelling is not necessary, please that it was not. Where the COMMANDER FULFILLED his duties she - b / preparation was. And where he was engaged. with the filing of higher bosses, to hell with what, it was not there.
    FROM TWO political studies and TWO Tank Shooting Trainings per week, NO ONE NEVER ANNOUNCED ANYONE. With one exception - the implementation of the Bembel chord (not legal in nature).
    Twice a week to carry out shooting not from the bulldozer TAKEN. It is empirically proven that a break of more than three to five days leads to a noticeable loss of skills, a decrease in the speed of response, etc. There was a problem with the mechanical water supply, due to expensive hours and the fact that most of the time during the training period, the regiment’s training vehicles were outside the unit, there was very little driving. We got out of the situation by the fact that when entering the regimental, divisional exercises, the first 30-50 km of the march, the columns went with a reduced average speed of movement (they laid a specialist when calculating and planning the march). And then, after more or less restored skills in mechanical water, speeds increased. And the total time for the march was normative.
    With the withdrawal of the Military Banner of Military Units covered by the Red Army victories, everything else came out. The main thing is that Schaub was more efficient in terms of the bubble. And what is such ABILITY? - know neither what nor we know ....
    Ash- "you can't make a good hand-to-hand fighter in 1 year." And in two years it is difficult, if there is NO initial base, preparation from a citizen. In this case, memorizing techniques only brings harm, in my opinion. Here's to teach fearlessly to fall, jump forward, somersault, get up and develop what every guy is familiar with - street fighting, the use of weapons, improvised objects. He does not compete in competitions, but he needs to protect his life by taking it from the enemy. Here ALL means are good.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 21 August 2012 20: 32
      +1
      Good fellow right, these Democrats, with whose filing or approval ruined the army and the combat training system?, Incurring no responsibility. He can make an army according to the Swiss scenario - sit with a machine gun at home and run through the mountains once a month. And everything is protected. What the hell are tanks, planes and more. One year seems to be like a soldier and all his life in reserve. I don’t remember anyone being called for training and retraining. Learn from the Jews.
  21. cobra66
    cobra66 21 August 2012 16: 42
    +3
    Basically, the author says the case, but shooting 3 times a month is not enough, and for such training it is necessary to increase the service life or throw out drill training although it is also important
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 21 August 2012 16: 59
      0
      And you can saturate the troops with laser simulators of shooting and destruction. In this case, it is quite possible that 3 times a month is enough. Although still not enough.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 August 2012 17: 03
        +5
        Quote: DIMS
        And you can saturate the troops with laser simulators of shooting and destruction. In this case, it is quite possible that 3 times a month is enough. Although still not enough.


        especially combat vehicles. But what about the smell of gunpowder?
        Gee, we also studied on extension trunks. The first RTUs with active shooting and some crews barely pumped out. Just sniffed.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 21 August 2012 17: 50
          0
          So it was necessary to close hatches to awesomes.
          Well, they are not the first and last))))
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 21 August 2012 17: 56
            +1
            Quote: leon-iv
            So it was necessary to close hatches to awesomes. Well, they are not the first and last))))

            In, and here for a year they want to grow a specialist.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 21 August 2012 18: 01
              +1
              here I will quote the bald ear-hater that I don't like
              Learn military affairs in this way! ” (V.I. Lenin)

        2. DIMS
          DIMS 21 August 2012 18: 08
          0
          There are idle used.
    2. Felix200970
      Felix200970 21 August 2012 20: 46
      0
      Quote: Kobra66
      or throw out drill training although it is also important

      Yes, you’ll not throw out combat training very much. Only 1 hour per week + two drill exercises will be spent on drill training. Crawling also applies to combat techniques smile . Again, drill reviews ... If their conduct is not brought to idiocy, then without them, too, nothing.
  22. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 21 August 2012 17: 06
    +7
    In the USSR, during "drinking" times, personnel units (Airborne Forces, Strategic Missile Forces, etc.) fired at least 2 times a month, AKM, ZOMP, honey. preparation for 2 hours a week. For 2 years of service, real soldiers came home, while if you remove the households, work and engage only in combat training, highly trained fighters would come. Taking into account all the mistakes of the USSR Armed Forces and eradicating them, the Israeli Armed Forces were created according to the Soviet model - one of the most trained armies. For the past 25 years, and now, the real combat readiness of the RF Armed Forces is falling at an accelerated rate. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO INTRODUCE A CONTRACT SERVICE FOR PERSONNEL OFFICERS, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO PUT ON TEAM POSITIONS SUITABLE FOR THE SENIOR HEADS - * COMMANDERS, IT CANNOT REPLACE LOVE FOR THE MOTHERLANDS OF LYUBOV. Now there is a moral degradation of the army, it is not for nothing that Mo Serdyukov fell under the reform and disbandment: guards military units, units with a glorious combat path, awarded orders and having combat traditions. Everything has been done to eradicate the spirit of the USSR in the Armed Forces, even if it is to the detriment of the RF Armed Forces.
  23. DERWISH
    DERWISH 21 August 2012 17: 06
    +4
    ++++ to the author, but still I think that they should serve for 2 years, by the way, an example of mediocrity in the Armavir special forces, the melee is not in the first place according to the reviews of the fighters of 2 3 4 groups who knows about groups will understand
  24. urchik
    urchik 21 August 2012 17: 36
    +3
    I would like to add that the soldier must still be morally - psychologically stable, but for this already a patch or distinctive sign is not necessary. And to prepare a warrior - a defender of one year is clearly not enough.
  25. leon-iv
    leon-iv 21 August 2012 17: 39
    +3
    No gentlemen, everything is real !!! For a year to learn the average level of specialist BUT
    1 Pre-conditioning preparation It is key. (Comrade from the team of my airsoft went to serve so he knows most of this and knows)
    2 Attitude of officers
    3 The right approach to learning + conditions.
  26. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 21 August 2012 17: 41
    +1
    Many strategists have divorced, discussing the actions of commanders in a combat situation while sitting at a computer. Most of these "specialists" did not even serve in the army, and they do not give advice on bread. From the first days of my service in the army, I was told that http://mordikov.fatal.ru/images-2/Suvorov.gif the commander's decision is correct if it is brought to its logical conclusion. Let us also recall A. Suvorov, because his statements are usually cited in a distorted form.

    By the way, attributed to A.V. Suvorov the aphorism: "It's hard in learning - easy in battle", Count of Rymnik and Prince of Italy never uttered. And he said the following: "It is hard in training - easy in a campaign, easy in training - hard in a campaign." Although not great, but the difference.

    In a word, the bullet is a fool, and the bayonet is great Especially if you add, "in capable hands."
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 21 August 2012 18: 02
      0
      Please do not confuse real officers with contractors who serve in the Russian Armed Forces
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 21 August 2012 18: 12
        0
        And how do they differ?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 23 August 2012 18: 02
      0
      The original quote about the bullet is a fool.

      From the manual on combat training of troops “Suzdal Institution” written by (1796) commander Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov (1730 — 1800) and published (1806) under the title Science to Win.
      In the original: Take care of the bullet for three days, and sometimes for the whole campaign, as there is nowhere to take. Shoot rarely, but accurately; bayonet if tight. The bullet is amnestied, the bayonet is not amnestied: the bullet is a fool, the bayonet is well done.

      That is, Suvorov suggested saving ammunition for those conditions, since there were few of them, and accuracy left much to be desired, and only shoot when there is confidence in hitting the target.
  27. urchik
    urchik 21 August 2012 17: 49
    0
    Still these instructions these recommendations to recommend to officers and especially to the senior command staff.
  28. surveyor
    surveyor 21 August 2012 17: 59
    0
    I agree, I was trained for 8 months as a BMP-2 commander (training), and then sent to the fuel and lubricants base (navy). drinks
  29. Strashila
    Strashila 21 August 2012 18: 04
    +3
    When you read the report of the officials of the Ministry of Defense about the clogged warehouses with weapons and ammunition that need to be disposed of, it prevents you from disposing of them if possible using the method of use. In fact, units should visit the training ground for three weeks, theory plus a week of practice. And not for one hour, they should live in the field for a week. The father recalls how they prepared in the 50s, they taught infantry to survive in winter in the snow in Kamchatka, they lived in a clean field for a week and nothing. It all depends on the fathers of the commanders, as they will teach and show an example. About the Second World War, at the beginning of the 42nd the training changed, they began to attract fighters who had been run-in at the front and injured after the hospital, as instructors .
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 August 2012 19: 25
      0
      What prevents to dispose of as possible using the method of use.

      I think that such a thing as a resource of weapons, it is more expensive than a bundle of TNT ... Economists M_L_YA ...
  30. leon-iv
    leon-iv 21 August 2012 18: 07
    0
    If possible, dispose of using the method of use
    And let me give you for firing mines 57-58 model year. I’ll get away only))))
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 21 August 2012 18: 16
      0
      An unpleasant thing. In one of our mortars, 5 people died, including a battalion commander. And only two, by a lucky coincidence, did not get a single fragment.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 21 August 2012 20: 44
      +3
      Quote: leon-iv
      And let me give you for firing mines 57-58 model year. I’ll get away only))))

      So before they had to be used !!!
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 21 August 2012 21: 54
        +2
        What if NATO attacks?
  31. Nechai
    Nechai 21 August 2012 18: 52
    +1
    On the issue of organizing b / preparation, I will try to express my opinion:
    - directrix, tankodrome, tactical field - all this separately, should be ONLY in the account. parts;
    - in linear ones, it is MANDATORY TO HAVE a "training field" combining the functions of all of the above, without any, so beloved management towers;
    - originally designed and created FOR BILATERAL TRAINING AND COMBATING ACTIVITIES with BATTLE SHOOTING.
    Not the most obvious, but the safest option is two mirrored halves of the field. Each has a minimum of a platoon, a better company, a very good battalion. His all actions of movement, firing and projection of the "enemy" Mirror PLAYS on the second opposite half of the system of autonomous remote-controlled target "carts", etc. The higher-ranking commanders of these units are also involved, Strictly speaking, being on one deep command post, but separated by a soundproof partition for them, observing each in their "own direction", they practically control the b / actions in real time.
    The size of the Uch.Pole will determine what the maximum is possible to shoot there. The main purpose of its existence, in addition to all issues of marching, firing, tactical, reconnaissance, anti-sabotage, etc. training, MAKE CONSTANT COMPETENCE in the educational process. When neither the introductory leader of the lesson, the intermediary, or the opera of the target field determines the complexity of the tasks that arise in front of the commanders and l / s, AND THE ACTIONS OF THE OTHER PART This will be an OBJECTIVE, OBVIOUS EVERYONE assessment. And to whom there is no premium to give il, it will also become just as obvious.
    In general, it would have been wonderful to work out the Uch.Pole and interaction with other branches of the armed forces and armaments.
    The impudent ones had something like that for the tankers - continuously for two days, once a month, "spinning". Amers have a larger scale - a whole range with "Russian armed forces", including aviation.
    Laser simulators are necessary and good for FIRST WORKING, of a particular subject on technology, after classroom use on computer simulators. But the final "lesson", in my opinion, ONLY WITH BATTLE SHOOTING. Even with an inset barrel. This is a purely psychological nuance that in no way should be discounted. The same as with grenade throwing. They throw, throw a black imitation grenade, everything is fine. And picking up the green body of the grenade, some of the soldiers, to put it mildly, become inadequate ...
    So here too, if the enemy on that half of the Field has hit your "target" display, then you MUST GET WELL - both smoke, and a blow by an air wave, and light, acoustic reflection of armor penetration. All for an adult. That would not seem a little. Until snot and tears ...
    1. Felix200970
      Felix200970 21 August 2012 21: 03
      0
      Quote: Nechai
      On the issue of organizing b / training, I will try to express my opinion: - the headmistress, tank training, tactical field - all this separately, it should be ONLY in the account. parts; - in linear, it is MANDATORY TO HAVE a "Learning Field" combining the functions of all of the above, without any, so beloved management towers;

      But nothing will come of it. No one will allow you to violate the safety technique - this time. Secondly, such a training field can only be created at the polygons of the first category (read district). In general, I recommend reading the Manual on the landfill service ... - you can break the horns. I wouldn’t manage the landfill - I wouldn’t write such a remark. Although, even the polygon equipment that is at the polygons since the time of the SA is not used even half. For conducting company tactical exercises with live shooting, you can create any target environment. Polygon equipment allows this. It’s another matter that all power structures have their own ranges and never intersect with each other. And learning from each other will never hurt ...
  32. Kochetkov.serzh
    Kochetkov.serzh 21 August 2012 18: 57
    +3
    the article is true, the way it should be in all parts. Every soldier of any kind of army should be a professional.
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 15: 38
      0
      Thank you, Sochetkov.serzh for a common understanding of the problem !!!
  33. Shumer
    Shumer 21 August 2012 19: 01
    +3
    The article is correct.
    I remember my term, thanks to the army, I learned how to lay tiles, plaster walls, fill floors, glue wallpapers, lay bricks and slate, while I served not in the building battalion, but in the air regiment.
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 15: 59
      +1
      I hope, Shumer these skills have developed your skills of independence, agility and skills! but seriously. it's sad !!!
  34. Pimply
    Pimply 21 August 2012 19: 15
    +1
    The author, please, kill yourself up the wall for the number of exclamation marks that are in the text - barely got your way

    1) If you think that shooting three times a month is normal for fire training - you are mistaken. A soldier must fire two to three times a week, at least a couple of stores at a time.
    Better yet, daily. And so for six months, on average.

    2) What operations? What is the primary surgical unit? What kind of transfusion? How will you store blood?
    The task of a fighter or orderly is to stabilize the condition of a comrade, check that he is breathing, fix everything that is possible, stop the bleeding.
    And as soon as possible from the battlefield of a soldier, fly in! To the nearest inpatient or field hospital, to a normal surgeon. The golden hour rule. The faster a soldier is in a hospital, with normal equipment, the higher the chance of survival.

    3) Military communications systems are great. But what does the patch have to do with it? These fig little bunnies? The development of three to four basic communication systems is needed. And there is nothing particularly complicated. The same with topography.

    4) IN FIG? If a soldier reaches a melee - this is a miscalculation of the commander. A soldier needs a melee extremely limited, and those three or four tricks that are are quite enough. It is more important for a soldier to shoot correctly and accurately. And not three times a month.
    1. Fox
      Fox 21 August 2012 19: 44
      +2
      plyusanul ... but I’ll add: three well-developed techniques of the Republic of Belarus, and the concept of tactics.
    2. bachast
      bachast 21 August 2012 20: 17
      +1
      A soldier needs a melee extremely limited

      Normally by the commentary, but one question, what do you think, why do you need RB in the army? A little differently, why should a man do martial arts at all and what do they give him?
      By the way, ARBs in ordinary units make up these several tricks.
      In normal special forces, training is of course a level higher
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 23 August 2012 17: 57
        0
        Hand-to-hand combat is rarely really useful to anyone - well, with the exception of special forces. It, for the most part, serves to raise morale, and a way to diversify fairly uniform physical exercises
    3. leon-iv
      leon-iv 21 August 2012 20: 43
      +1
      Pimply
      I will correct
      The fighter’s task is to determine the type of injury and pass information about it to the shooter on the orderly. He should already determine the primary honey help and conduct further activities. And nefig with their dirty hands in the wound poking around. And often it all comes down to freezing the RFID tags in the wounded, stopping the bleeding and injecting painkillers.
      It is impossible for a simple soldier to trust this, for many spit on elementary rules.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 23 August 2012 17: 48
        0
        Can. Pollution has already happened. The nurse works on the field with gloves in the first place so as not to infect himself.

        The wounded will be stuffed with all possible anti-inflammatory drugs. The infection does not hit right away. But the loss of blood - it hits. Therefore, it is not so important who and how will stop the blood. The main thing is to stop her.
        There is a scheme
        ABC

        Airway
        Breathing
        Circulation

        Airway check
        If problems - installing a breathing tube and restoring breathing
        Visible bleeding detection
        Bleeding
        Installation of "venflon" - infusion cannula
        Examination for additional damage
        Elimination of additional bleeding
        Transfer of the wounded to a stretcher
        Fixation
        Sending to the hospital

        A simple soldier can and should be trusted with primary care.
        But again, the main one is breathing and stopping bleeding
    4. taseka
      22 August 2012 16: 05
      0
      It’s a pity that you Pimply, did not teach from childhood the level of general culture! To kill against the wall is the level of an oligophrenic! And no need to - "you", you and I did not drink at broodershaft! I think that your logic will not allow this either! And the nickname says a lot !!!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 23 August 2012 17: 54
        0
        Dear author. If you want a proper attitude to your article, then write it in a normal language, and do not intersperse the text with a huge number of exclamation points, like Elena Vaenga her appeal of indignation. If you want a respectful attitude towards yourself, achieve it.

        If I see nonsense, and even in the spirit of Internet texts of enthusiastic blondes, then I'm sorry, I will comment in the same language and in the same vein. And no one will take this right from me.

        My logic is three years of service in an active unit, of which half of the term - in the position of company assistant medical officer of the cover company - under my command were all the orderlies, and I, as a company medical officer, went to all military operations by virtue of the position. And by virtue of this experience I tell you - before writing such texts, you must first understand what is and what is really needed. Because reality is very different from exclamation points.
        1. taseka
          21 May 2016 13: 56
          0
          Frets! What should we share with the warriors, because we are thinking about the good for the soldier! Sorry if that!
    5. taseka
      21 May 2016 13: 49
      0
      Pimpy! It is necessary to write - ABOUT, not AP
    6. taseka
      21 May 2016 13: 50
      0
      Pimpled, you need to write ABOUT, not AP
    7. taseka
      21 May 2016 13: 50
      0
      Pimpled, you need to write ABOUT, not AP
  35. Apollo
    Apollo 21 August 2012 19: 50
    +5
    In my opinion it would be nice to open with military units stationed in settlements, a kind of courses for training, for example, the automobile part is housed conditionally in the village X, young people live in the village who expressed a desire to serve in the automobile parts in the future from 15 years of age; in my opinion, they can conduct a theoretical course and from 16 years of practice driving, i.e. sufficient experience has already been accumulated.

    Of course, with other types of troops this example is inappropriate; special knowledge is needed there, but for example in motorized rifle, communications, automobile units, rear services, etc. You can conduct a kind of experiment. Elementary knowledge and practical skills do not seem to hurt me.

    Most importantly, no special costs are required. and here when calling, be sure to consider.that is, a young man more or less comes to a military unit already prepared.
  36. Phase
    Phase 21 August 2012 19: 53
    +3
    The article raises the necessary and long overdue topic. Yes, traditionally little attention is paid to combat training, and this is precisely the reason for the large losses. Although there are other reasons that are equally traditional for our army - disgusting communication and control, for example.
    In those cases when they were actually engaged in combat training, the Army showed completely different results. An example is the Kruska Duga, before which the preparation of the gunners was very intense. The movement of "artillery snipers" was deployed and the crews were actually allocated live shells to work on towed targets. The result was not long in coming: the Germans immediately realized that this was a completely different Soviet artillery. Amazing tactical finds such as "wandering weapons" or "cheeky mining" were created. And the result was not long in coming.
    I served as an emergency service in the early 1980s. I remember the old warrant officers who wore soldier's epaulettes in the fifties. One of them (a motorized rifleman) told me that combat alarms were in units 2-4 times a month. On alert, they received weapons and ran away from the town for 10 km (they avoided a possible bombing). On the way they were caught up with BTR-152, if the unit was partly a humanist. If not, they ran all ten. Then they dug in and already on bronchikas returned to the unit. They shot everything and from everything. The second year soldier was supposed to shoot well, not only from his AK, but also machine guns (hand and company), and a grenade launcher.
    It's simple - in the tactical link there were still people with the experience of the Second World War ....

    Thanks to the author, although the article is written somewhat emotionally and incoherently. And one more thing: the first 10 sentences end entirely with exclamation marks. However, in none of them is it required.

    Author! There is still a point in Russian! I guarantee it !!!!! yes
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 21 August 2012 20: 38
      +4
      The phase is also well done, I served in the Airborne Forces for re-education for one month, in the mid-60s, and this month I got so, after which I realized how difficult the soldier’s bread was.
    2. taseka
      22 August 2012 16: 25
      +1
      Thank you, Phase for criticism! Here emotions gushed me! I will try to keep it smaller! put. About - incoherently - "I'm not a poet and I'm not called a flower!"
  37. shkolo
    shkolo 21 August 2012 20: 08
    +2
    only recently here they wrote about the part in which as the experience a new training system was introduced much less all the same age is needed here the only innovation is badges and stripes, although this proposal deserves attention
  38. Phase
    Phase 21 August 2012 20: 11
    +3
    Yes, I forgot to add: but a hand-to-hand soldier (sabotage units do not count) is TOTALLY not required. Is that a bayonet battle.
    The best tricks of kung fu - machine gun and grenade. And even better - artillery training, air support and communications. This is all that needs to be taught together with mortar men, divisional artillery and tactical aircraft.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 August 2012 19: 30
      0
      Logically ...
      Knowledge of karate, judo and hand-to-hand combat, excellent equipment and training gave way to a wild cry: "Alla Akbar! Mykola, beat him with a shovel."
  39. Felix200970
    Felix200970 21 August 2012 21: 12
    +2
    To the author + for the published opinion. It would be worth reading the comments and write it again. You look from the tenth time we will write a new combat training program for the Ground Forces. Some thoughts in the article and in the comments simply smiled. But no matter what you say, a fighter cannot be prepared for a year even if all the pre-conscription training is fully restored. Service life should be 3 years. Then the commanders will see the result of their work and the soldiers will remember that later
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 16: 29
      0
      Thanks for the smile Felix200970!
  40. decanter
    decanter 21 August 2012 22: 30
    0
    Service life of three years .. minimum 2.5
  41. Rebus
    Rebus 21 August 2012 23: 22
    +4
    Teach what is necessary in war

    In the sight of the enemy, in the barrel cartridge - quickly pull the trigger. Someone else's lead above his head is rock flying by.
    If you want to live, first kill. This is the law of war. If the enemy is close, stab him in the back. Rules are not needed here.
    Let the widows cry in a foreign land. Your conscience is clear. The enemy is not killed - will take your life. This truth is simple ... (Vlad Savin "Sea Wolf")
  42. Ilhar
    Ilhar 22 August 2012 00: 07
    +1
    If the father-commander does not teach his subordinate "what is necessary in war," then this is not an army, but a brothel ... But this is lyrics ...
    For servicemen who serve in combined arms formations, 90% of the occupations should be tied to "Tactics" - this is the basis. And about the capital technique .. Which is rarely observed in the RF Army. In the Russian Federation, the army is a Fighting army, but in it the people who know something and are smart, the Serdyukovites do not hear!
  43. shampoo
    shampoo 22 August 2012 01: 39
    +1
    I support the article as a mental pain of a person who thinks and cares for our Army and State.
    But the modern problem, in my opinion, is that we are still at a crossroads !!! From socialism, it seems, they rushed into capitalism - to build a professional Army and then of course one year of military service is only an intermediate stage. But here at this stage and stuck.
    A striking example of all that is happening is the performance and victories of our Olympians, who directly answered the questions of journalists: "... the training system is destroyed, there is no socialist harmonious system for selecting and educating young athletes not capitalist, where athletes are trained by sponsors, clubs and parents."
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 16: 32
      0
      Heartily, shampoo Thank you! drinks
  44. Sol
    Sol 22 August 2012 09: 00
    0
    Good afternoon!
    And the respected author was holding the sergeant's textbook in his hands, I'm not even talking about "combat regulations ...."

    Yours faithfully,
    1. taseka
      22 August 2012 16: 33
      0
      Held!
      Sincerely.
  45. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 22 August 2012 09: 47
    +1
    As Admiral Makarov said: "REMEMBER THE WAR"
  46. 8 company
    8 company 22 August 2012 11: 58
    +1
    The Soviet infantry was full of excellent curricula, but in practice, part of the l / s was given for the construction of something, another part for finishing, another part for reworking what has already been built, cleaning territories, leveling snowdrifts, working in warehouses, etc. ., etc. And don't give it a try. And the checks were handed over mainly with the help of personal vertical-horizontal connections and "competent" reception of commissions, with a bathhouse and a drinking bout.
  47. Nechai
    Nechai 22 August 2012 12: 24
    +1
    Quote: Felix200970
    But nothing will come of it. No one will allow you to violate the safety technique - this time.

    Felix, you unfortunately DO NOT carefully read my suggestions. It is proposed to shoot
    - in opposite directions.
    - the size of the "Field" determines the applied gauges. (Yes, even a small thing, for that matter. The turnip is just worth scratching.).
    - guidance documents are NOT DOGMA. Especially in a rapidly changing world. AV Suvorov used to say, instructing his officers: "I am in command, go to the left, and you see on the spot that it is better to the right. So go to the right!"
    Another thing is that in the army of peacetime, the position of the authorities is sharpened under the ONLY thought - no matter what happens.
    In a catastrophic time, when they started to trend about efficiency, etc. etc. In our regiment, we carried out experimentally, shooting on the headmistress and during the return of the cars to the starting position. Without additional equipment of the target field, all three options for the target environment for 3B did not work, when shooting on stern courses. So we prepared the cannon targets - the embrasure of the bunker. Everything has grown together. At the same time, at the borders of the RPTR-Machine-gun crew, they set up an "infantry group" - for launching grenade launchers on the move from a tank. We got it on the cap thoroughly, with about the same organization that you give ...
    And the MAIN THING is that with mirror double-sided actions with live firing, the target situation is created by the participating units, which is called live. It's not that simple. And "target carts", and in fact, an autonomous robot transporter needs to be created, etc. But these costs are not only for training in peacetime. The same transport robots, oh, how dashing can be used. In addition to delivering something, by hanging modern inflatable models on them, equipping them with the appropriate seismic, acoustic, electromagnetic, etc. devices, it is possible and necessary to FOOL the enemy reconnaissance. "Kis-kis" still it will turn out.
    Nowadays there is percussion in the direction of computer, laser imitators, but there is little news about the new equipment of landfills. Well, except that on Gorokhovetsky, harm as the Germans will put their own. And we ours, that we do not think to create at all? Where is the competition for the same nemchinami?
  48. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 22 August 2012 14: 24
    +3
    But don't you want too much from a soldier?
    Type came a choke and to the end - Rambo? Maybe it’s better to set the task more competently?
    You won’t even prepare for five years from scratch such a superman who will perform a neurosurgical operation in the field, and bare dozens of Bruce Lee with Chuck Norris, repairs the chip in the radio with a bayonet and butt, and surpasses any Olympic shooting record!
    Without proper organization of pre-conscription training, all this is just a dream ...
  49. bachast
    bachast 22 August 2012 16: 48
    +1
    Taseka walks through the comments and gives general thanks to loyal readers: Thank you, Regards, Thanks for the smile, Respect ....
    It’s for the words of others, there’s not enough to answer for your courage. RHBZ steers!

    this is the main problem today
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 22 August 2012 16: 52
      0
      Quote: bachast

      Taseka walks through the comments and gives general thanks to loyal readers: Thank you, Regards, Thanks for the smile, Respect ... These are for the words of others.
      Respond for your courage

      It reminds me of a building detour by a minister who stopped at the front for five minutes !!)))
      Thank you brothers for the service !! Thank you !!!)))))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 August 2012 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay

        It reminds me of a building bypassing the Minister for five minutes, stopping by the front !!)

        Alibek, if Bachast didn’t pay attention, I wouldn’t even notice, and the comments are normal. laughing
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 22 August 2012 17: 13
          +1
          Alexander, the fact of the matter is that I did not notice))) drew attention to reading koment Isaac!
          Recently I have been reading his comments with interest, I try not to miss !!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 August 2012 17: 17
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Recently I have been reading his comments with interest, I try not to miss !!

            Alibek, why not, if he writes sensibly and in the case. drinks For Isaac.-Thank you, Regards, Thanks for the smile, Respect ......... laughing
      2. taseka
        23 August 2012 13: 23
        0
        Yarbay - I already answered Bachastu. Say thank you, it's just a culture of communication with those who understand you !!!
        Sincerely.
    2. taseka
      23 August 2012 13: 18
      0
      Why do I need BachastThank you, for understanding the problem to someone who did not understand and did not realize it? I am sincerely glad to like-minded people, and for those scores, these poop, with shoulder straps, have never chased and will not!
      Sincerely.
  50. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 22 August 2012 16: 49
    0
    in a melee there are no rules, you fight at the level of instincts.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 August 2012 19: 56
      0
      in a hand-to-hand combat - there is one rule, or rather two: to fight to the end and to put an enemy out of action as soon as possible (kill, injure, injure).