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Lunch in the style of the Hundred Years War ...

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Lunch in the style of the Hundred Years War ...
Battle of Neville's Cross. Miniature from the XNUMXth century Froissard Chronicle


During the Hundred Years War, people not only fought and killed each other. They also ate, and tried to eat better. But what they ate - that's what our story will go about today ...

“Russian cuisine is one of the first in the world in terms of cost. And the author has perfectly confirmed this. Let him tell you how long it took him for all this rite.

Due to the fact that everything was fine with firewood in Russia, Russian cuisine is also energy-intensive. Only Russians and their closest neighbors have this kind of cooking, like languor! "
ee2100 (Alexander)

To begin with, I really liked the article by Roman Skomorokhov about Suvorov cabbage soup. Well, cabbage soup and cabbage soup, one can only be glad that someone here knows how to cook and write “deliciously” about it, but there was also a commentary, which is given here as an epigraph. We are talking about the energy consumption of the national Russian cuisine. And it seems to be a trifle, but the devil is just hiding in the little things. Which are already of a fundamental nature, because such "little things" are directly related to culture and history our country.

We point out right away that the cuisine of all peoples in a certain era was very energy-intensive. Meat - the same chicken was cooked for several hours. Take the book by Elena Malokhovets - this is the most accessible publication for a Russian - and there is about all this. But English cuisine was no less costly both in terms of the amount of firewood and the amount of time: open, say, the book by Maggie Black and Deirdre Le Fay "Jane Austen's Cookbook", and there you will find all the same!

What made our cuisine different from all others, and then only in particular, was the church regulations, according to which our ancestors, up to Peter I, had to cook food. The Church pointed out that food should be cooked whole, as they were given to us from God, that it is a sin to grind them before cooking. From here, our pies with porridge - nothing to grind, pies with mushrooms - the smallest ones were selected, pies with fish - were baked gutted, but not cut, with bones and scales, so only some low-bone fish species were used. Cabbage was fermented with a head of cabbage, turnips were steamed and baked whole.

Eating veal in Russia was considered an unacceptable, shameful thing (they took care of the livestock!), And it was on this that False Dmitry was caught, who loved roast veal, which immediately proved that he was "not our man." The main meat was considered to be lamb and pork. Lamb even paid a salary to the archers: half a cow to an ordinary archer a week, and a whole to the foreman, plus three loaves for a shovel of fathoms for the first and six for the second! Of course, it is not so easy to know and the king ate. In the inventory of the tsar's dining there are such dishes as "smoking in pieces under lemons", "smoking in pieces under cucumbers", "smoking in pieces" and even "smoking in wrappers". But in general, the tradition not to cut or grind anything was strictly observed. And how not to observe, if the same Ivan the Terrible, observing church deanery, on pain of death forbade "grouse" (black grouse) and "stuffing sausages", which eventually appeared in our country in large quantities only under Peter.


Real Polish Bigos

However, kitchens of many other nations were costly both in terms of time and firewood. For example, the Poles who have been at enmity with us since the time of the Pretender. Their national dish is bigos, and ... every time we find ourselves in Poland, we order it with the whole family, eat and praise it. But ... to cook it at home according to all the rules so far have not dared, although for this, it seems, everything is available - both food and time. And this is because the recipe for bigos is still the same. For example, here is the simplest one for an ordinary family:

400 grams of sauerkraut,
400 g fresh cabbage
200 g of veal (or other meat),
200 g smoked meat (boneless),
100 g smoked bacon
150 g of raw smoked sausage,
1,5 tbsp. tablespoons of tomato paste + 1 glass of water,
1 onion,
1 carrots,
1 pickled apple
100 g pitted prunes,
50 g raisins,
50 ml of dry red wine,
several dried mushrooms,
frying fat (lard or a small piece of unsalted bacon),
bay leaf, marjoram, allspice, salt, black pepper, sugar - all to your taste.

Then we start cooking. First, you need to drain the brine from the cabbage, and soak and chop the dried mushrooms. Cut fresh cabbage rather coarsely so that it does not boil over during cooking. Carrots are rubbed on a coarse grater. The pickled apple is cut into large pieces, the onion is cut into rings. Meat products, on the other hand, are cut into small pieces.


All this is delicious, but for me personally it is too difficult. In my opinion, eat often, in moderation, and to keep cooking as simple as possible. For example, a dish for breakfast: a slice of yesterday's duck, some boiled potatoes, pickled and fresh vegetables, a bun and ... that's it

A piece of bacon is cut into cubes and melted in a preheated frying pan, onions are added there and fried until half cooked, after which soaked mushrooms are added to the onions (you can also use champignons from the store, by the way) and fresh cabbage. Fry until the mushrooms produce juice. Now add carrots and a glass of salted boiling water with tomato paste diluted in it. All this is stewed until the cabbage is soft and juices.


For dinner, you can afford sausages, boiled peas, farfalle with vegetables ("bows"), and in a bag - squid in batter ...

Now you can add sauerkraut, chopped apple, mix it all, cover and simmer. Then, when the sauerkraut becomes soft, pour in red wine and simmer again over low heat for 45 minutes - stirring so that our bigos does not burn. However, that's not all, don't even hope!


This, as we were told, is a typical modern English breakfast. Amazing, isn't it? No porridge! But ... they served us it in an English cafe, though not in England, but in Spain, and convinced us that it was "typical" today: a pie with meat, sauce and fried potatoes. Without her, in England, indeed, nowhere. There is even a well-known anecdote: an Englishman comes to the doctor and says: “Doctor, everything hurts me! - Do you smoke? - Not! - Do you drink? - What are you ... - Well then, it's fried potatoes!

Now let's move on to the meat. Cut it finely and fry in another pan for 5-15 minutes, then add smoked meat and fry a little again. Sausage and smoked bacon also go there, and all this is also fried for several minutes.


"International lunch" in Nice. It was called that, was served very quickly and looked like this. We never eat like that at home!

Add meat plus bacon, plus sausage, as well as prunes, raisins, bay leaves and spices to taste, add to cabbage and simmer all this together for a few more minutes until cooked. If necessary, try and add some salt. A teaspoon of sugar should also be added, which is said to further enhance the flavor of the bigos.


But everything that is simple and tasty is borrowed "from there". Here, for example, tomatoes cooked in the oven according to the Spanish recipe ...

And only now this dish can be served on the table, and the bread for it should be rye, and vodka - well, how can it be without it - Polish bison, which even more helps it ... "to open up". Of course, it is best to cook bigos in a Russian oven (the Polish one is not much different from it) and serve it hot on the second day, or even on the third.


A very simple salad recipe: boiled broccoli, salted cheese, a little mayonnaise for taste and a dressing with olive oil. You can add leeks ...

PS Bigos is served on the table with fresh rye bread, and on the festive table - with a traditional Polish drink such as bison. You can also serve our vodka. But bison better sets off the taste of bigos.


Is that where all these people are hurrying with such quick steps?

But now we have reached the Hundred Years War ... It is believed that the recipe for such a French dish as Cassoulet (fr. Cassoulet) appeared just at that distant time. And it was in the southern regions of France, so that Joan of Arc could have eaten it in Orleans. At first glance, there is nothing complicated in it: a stew of meat and beans is what it is. But in reality it is a masterpiece: in a bowl you will find tender white beans in an abundance of sauce. But among the beans you will also find large chunks of garlic sausage and even fried duck (confit). Moreover, the beans in real cassoulet should be soft and tender, and not fall apart, and cover its entire surface with a golden crust of crackers. Prepare cassoulet ... for a few days! And it was necessary to spend quite a lot of firewood on it too!


And where are these in a hurry?

On the first day, the pork knuckle had to be thoroughly cleaned and washed in running water. Then pour clean water and salt a little, after which you and I can put it in the refrigerator for the whole night. Meanwhile, the white beans are rinsed and also soaked overnight.

Now you need to cook duck confit. Its meat is covered with coarse salt, black pepper, poured with lemon juice and marinated together with onions for 8-12 hours. The inner fat of the duck is melted separately, then the marinated meat (but without onions) is placed in it, a couple of garlic cloves, sprigs of rosemary and thyme are added.


They are all in a hurry here: to the castle of Carcassonne! And for a good reason: they cook wonderful cassoulet, for which Carcassonne is famous along with all other attractions.

Simmer duck meat for 3 hours at 140-150 degrees in a container with a tightly closed lid. Cool the finished confit and put it in the refrigerator before time.

On the second day, all skin with a thin layer of fat is cut off from the pork shoulder, which is cut into long strips, from which five rolls are folded and tied with thread. The meat that was under the skin is cut into 3-4 cm cubes.

Now rolls and meat "cubes" need to be cooked in a duck on medium heat, pouring duck fat from confit. Put the browned meat on a plate.

Carrots are cut into thin rings. Chop the onion and tomato into large pieces. All this is fried for 1-2 minutes.


We will eat it here. In the restaurant "At the Little Well", which also saw the Algigoy Wars. Here it may not be prepared for 3 days, but you do not have to wait long, besides, if you order it with salad and wine, then they bring you dessert for free

Now we need one liter of water (the liquid should cover the meat). Put in it a bouquet of garni, a slice of celery, pork skin rolls, previously fried pork. Bring to a boil, season with salt to taste, cover the roaster and simmer the stew over low heat for 2 hours, stirring occasionally.


This is how cassoulet is served in Carcassonne

The shank should be welded so that the bones are exposed. Now you need to take it out, cool it a little, separate the meat and fat along with the skin. Then the meat is cut into small pieces and returned to the pan. The bones should be thrown away, but the pieces of skin with fat should be put in a container and put into the refrigerator to make garlic dressing. Leather rolls are also put away in the refrigerator.


Then your legs no longer carry you, and there is only one thought in your head: where to lie down. However, you can continue exploring the town and here on such a cart pulled by the most real Percherons!

Now is the time for the beans. It is poured with cold water and brought to a boil over a low heat, boiled for 3 minutes, then the water is drained. Now the beans are added to the stew and stew for another 1-1,5 hours over low heat. Then the stew must be allowed to cool and again put in the refrigerator overnight.

The third, decisive day has come! The hardened fat is removed from the surface of the stew. Garlic (2 cloves) is ground with boiled pork skin (you can use a blender or a copper mortar and pestle, which is traditional for the Hundred Years War!) And add to the stew, bring it to a boil and simmer again for 15 minutes over low heat.

Once they made cassoulet at home. Not in three days, and it turned out delicious, but there was a lot of fuss with him. I just wanted to say: "Oh, these Frenchmen ..."

At the same time, brown the confit duck legs in a frying pan and fry small sausages. Now all this needs to be laid out in portioned ceramic bowls, untie the pork skin rolls and cover the bottom of the bowls with them, the fat side down. Moreover, confit and pork sausages are placed on top, but so as to slightly immerse them in the stew. And the final touch - all this should be covered with bread crumbs (from a white roll or bread crumbs) and again put in the oven for ... 1-2 hours so that a golden crust forms on top, and so that the cassoulet does not burn, pour broth into it.


We cook duck much easier. First, it is coated with lemon juice with salt and spices (it is in this form for two to three hours), then it is stuffed with sour apples, placed in a culinary sleeve and baked in the oven for 1,5-2 hours. And that's it! She's ready. And all the fat from it remains in the sleeve. By the way, this is also not a simple duck, but an Indo-duck. They have more meat and less fat!

Before serving this dish, let it stand and cool down for a while. To it is a glass of red wine and white bread. Here the output is indicated for eight servings, so it will be enough for a family and ... for guests. And most importantly: you will satisfy your exquisite taste, find out what the gentlemen ate during the Hundred Years War (although who knows, maybe not only gentlemen - the ingredients were all quite accessible to people even easier), and ... once again remember that the cost was in the past peculiar to the cuisine of the most different nations of the world!
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 06: 09
    +13
    am Vyacheslav Olegovich - You are a provocateur, just in time for breakfast !!! laughing
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 5 February 2021 08: 23
      -5
      Tartare sauce. French dish. And how did this tartar dish get to the French? Especially considering that Tatars / Tartars are nomads? And in the sauce and vegetable oil and eggs and pickles. Imagine tartars carry on horseback cans of butter and tubs of pickled cucumbers, carry obligatory eggs, somehow this does not combine with the image of a nomad who only eats meat and drinks blood, like Yana.

      1. Bar1
        Bar1 5 February 2021 08: 28
        -7
        about the sausage and Ivan the Terrible, but what kind of bike is it that Russians are forbidden to make sausage? Considering that the word sausage itself is Russian?
        1. zenion
          zenion 6 February 2021 20: 27
          -1
          The word sausage is Iranian, but it sounds a little differently kolbyasa.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 6 February 2021 20: 42
            +2
            Quote: zenion
            The word sausage is Iranian, but it sounds a little differently kolbyasa.


            Etymology
            Comes from Old Russian. sausage (Novgor. Helmsman under 1280, Dan. Zat. - XIII century); Wed: Ukrainian. kovbasa, bulg. kolbas, Wed-Bulgarian klbasa, Serbo-Horv. kobàsitsa, kayk., chakav. klobasa. Slovenian. klobása, czech. klobása, Slovak. klbása, Polish. kiełbasa, old. kiełbodziej "sausage maker", V.-puddles. kоłbаsа, n.-puddles kjałbas. Probable in general pro-form * kъlbasa is not suitable for Serbo-Horv., Slovenian., Czech. forms (compare klobuk). They assumed kinship with kolob, kolobok, as well as with the Ukrainian. kovbitsya, kovbische "chump", kovban - the same, kovbatka "piece of meat". At the same time, judging by the options with -ъl and -lo-, there is reason to think about borrowing. The source could be a Turk; Wed tour. külbasty "grilled meat, fried cutlets", while -t- could disappear into the appendix. sausage. Another explanation is possible if we proceed from the Türkic. gerund * külbasa. Less likely is a work from Old Hebrew. כל בשר - [kolbāśār] - "meat, all flesh, living creature." Nothing to do with fame. words does not have French. сalebase "kind of pumpkin", contrary to Karlovich and Sobolevsky, who produces the last of glories. The data of M. Vasmer's dictionary were used. See References.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 12: 28
        +6
        Interesting Timur Have you wondered how many Tatars have seen the French chef who invented the notorious Tartarian sauce based on mayonnaise?
        However, different - tartlets and temersu apparently also associated with the hordes of the Tartars-Mongols? What to be trifle about why a truffle or a tomato also does not start with the letter "T". However, as well as toasts !!!
        For a smile - the entourage of Louis XIV, judging by the recollections of contemporaries, really believed that nomadic Tatars eat only cucumbers and meat! By the way, he personally knew Peter I and I think that if you were right, then vodka was added to the cucumbers, but ...., only meat and cucumbers! So Tatars are not Russians, but quite the opposite.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 5 February 2021 14: 44
          -4
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Interesting Timur Have you wondered how many Tatars have seen the French chef who invented the notorious Tartarian sauce based on mayonnaise?


          you might think you know exactly how much.

          this is certainly not all, but
          - Cake_ is also clearly a tartar dish.



          Actually the word EARTH
          -erde-in German
          -ordo -in Dutch
          -of / horde -in English
          Well, where the horde is there and the Tatars, of course.
          here are more Horde and Tatar places in Europe.

        2. ee2100
          ee2100 5 February 2021 17: 50
          +8
          "Legend has it that the tartar steak recipe was born to the Mongol invasion, who have a habit of putting a piece of horse meat under the saddle, where it softened by the end of the day from mechanical stress and animal sweat. But Cambridge students who tried to reproduce the ancient oriental recipe failed. By the end of the day the meat invariably became rotten and became absolutely inedible. Judging by the experience of other nomadic peoples, meat was not put for food, but to protect the horse from ulcers and chafing. In modern times, the method of preparing raw goat meat is mentioned at the beginning of the nineteenth century by Alexandre Dumas, and later by Balzac and Jules Verne The first recipe for raw steak was published in the culinary reference of Aguste Escofer in 1903 as a dish of French Polynesia.Under its modern name "tartare", already as a French dish, the recipe by Prosper Montagnier was first published in 1938 in the famous cookbook Larousse Gastronomico. The second version, not without reason, the recipe was brought by French soldiers of the Napoleonic army from Russia, where they observed how the Cossacks ate raw meat. "(WITH)
          Source: https://fishki.net/2236243-le-veritable-tartar-de-boeuf.html © Fishki.net
          This, too, all went from tartlets, tartarars, tiramisu, etc.
          Maybe we won't offend the Tatars?
      3. ee2100
        ee2100 5 February 2021 13: 15
        +5
        Sauce tartare (sauce tartare - "Tartar sauce) the history of the name is not entirely clear. Maybe the French will clarify.
        I like the suggestion that the sauce was named after the publication of Jules Verne's book "Mikhail Strogoff", when everything connected with Russia and specifically with Tartary was very popular in France.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 5 February 2021 14: 51
          -2
          Well, yes, but a literary work, where a war took place between a non-fictional RI and a fictional Tartary, is of course just fantasy and nothing else?
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 08: 58
      +11
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      You are a provocateur, just in time for breakfast !!!

      What another! Well, at least there is no glass anywhere in the photo, otherwise it would be all day long - what kind of work after this article? laughing
      And on the last photo, the indochka is stuffed (by the way, badly plucked and badly scorched laughing ). The best breed of ducks.
      PS Now the main task is to hold out until lunchtime. wassat
      1. kalibr
        5 February 2021 10: 45
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        poorly plucked and poorly singed

        We still remove the skin from her and do not eat. So why do something extra?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 12: 59
          +7
          So maybe you shouldn't peel potatoes either? wassat
          1. kalibr
            5 February 2021 13: 07
            +2
            If you bake it, then why?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 13: 30
              +6
              The crust is delicious, but you need to throw it away in your uniform. request
              And it is easy to pinch the duck, having previously steamed it in boiling water for 10-15 seconds.
              If it does not shed of course.
              Buckwheat stuffing with fried onions, put potatoes on top.
              1. kalibr
                5 February 2021 14: 19
                +3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Buckwheat stuffing with fried onions, put potatoes on top.

                Never tried this. We only have apples.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 14: 22
                  +5
                  Try it, it turns out two side dishes. good
              2. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 5 February 2021 19: 54
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I put potatoes on top.

                And a few small sweet and sour apples are good ... Tsimus - As the Hindu say! Oh, we fellow citizens love to eat, sleep and fight!
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 20: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Tsimus - As the Hindu says

                  Tsimes is a purely Jewish theme! bully
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 6 February 2021 08: 46
                    +3
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Tsimus - As the Hindu says

                    Tsimes is a purely Jewish theme! bully

                    Well I say wink Indians! drinks
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 10: 33
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And on the last photo there is a stuffed Indoor (by the way, badly plucked and badly scorched laughing). The best breed of ducks.

        hi
        Strictly speaking, its correct name is a musky duck, and this is not really a duck, it is a kind of goose, originally from South America, in my opinion. Not the most convenient bird for growing, it grows for a very long time and the female is half the size of the male, therefore it is expensive. But tasty, contagion. They make baked Indo-duck less, it takes a long time to cook, there is little fat in it and it turns out rather dry. But the stew is simply amazing, especially the male one and a half years old. It is better to bake broiler duck, killed before the first molt.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 6 February 2021 11: 47
          +7
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Not the most convenient bird for growing, it grows for a very long time and the female is half the size of the male, therefore it is expensive

          No, believe the specialist, it is not. Ducklings incubate themselves, grow on compound feed 3 months before slaughter weight, on wheat for 6 months. Do not get sick. Duck weight 2 kg, drake 3 kg. And the broiler house is a mulard, a mixture of Peking and Indoor. They grow only on compound feed. hi
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 11: 58
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And the broiler house is a mulard, a mixture of Peking and Indoor. They grow only on compound feed.

            No, I meant Blagovarovskie crosses (breeds) of ducks on compound feed, beat somewhere around 40 days, already a marketable carcass is obtained, feed costs are 1.3 times higher than for broiler chickens, there is not a lot of fat, for baking the very thing, well, broiler baking time.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 6 February 2021 12: 06
              +4
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              I mean Blagovarovskie crosses (breeds)

              I took other tribal ones there. They breed Bashkirs, Peking, Musk and Mulard. Well, geese. Which ones did you take? 40 days, such results, but a little fat - only in mulards on compound feed. request Peking and Bashkir carcasses are 30-33% fat. Indo-women and mulards have 18-20%. But mulards grow faster.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 12: 18
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Bashkir

                The Bashkir took, they said that from there. We have problems with breeding birds in the Kuban. Bashkir is less fat than Peking. I kept it, like broiler chickens, in a cage for up to two to three weeks, then on straw, otherwise the bastards will be on the breast (in broilers, at least). Bunker feeder, plenty of feeding, feeding area I don't remember now, water is always. For drinking only, he did not allow to breed dirt. Do you live somewhere close to the tribal plant?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 6 February 2021 12: 22
                  +3
                  Togliatti, the hatching egg was delivered to order.
                  I am planning to visit you in Kuban in August, friend in Krasnodar.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 12: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I am planning to visit you in Kuban in August, friend in Krasnodar.

                    Call in for a visit, if you go by Labinsk, I will give the address)))
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 6 February 2021 12: 31
                      +3
                      Good! I was passing by, my grandmother lived in the Belorechensky district.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 5 February 2021 06: 19
    +9
    But what is this going on ... Now you have to fight with salivation ... it's still a long way to lunch, and after such an article there is no strength to keep the defense on its line. The enemy armed with stewed duck, stewed chicken and other heavy weapons breaks through the defenses to my stomach, without reinforcements I will not hold out until lunchtime. hi
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 07: 08
      +10
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I won't last until lunchtime without reinforcements.

      Have a lunch at 11.00 Sandwich with salted avocado slices and coffee.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 5 February 2021 08: 16
        +9
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I ate both bigos (in Poland) and a shank (in Berlin).
        1. kalibr
          5 February 2021 08: 29
          +9
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I ate both bigos (in Poland) and a shank (in Berlin).

          Then we both know what it is!
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 5 February 2021 08: 37
          +8
          Igor! hi
          Have you tried an icebahn in Berlin?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 5 February 2021 08: 38
            +10
            Unfortunately no. And to my shame I don't even know what it is! request
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 5 February 2021 08: 47
              +11
              Cooked smoked pork garnished with stewed cabbage.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 5 February 2021 08: 49
                +7
                Not. My wife and I ordered mashed potatoes, stewed cabbage and sausages at the restaurant "Augustine's".)
                Well, a glass of beer (although both do not like it, it would be a sin not to taste it!))))
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 10: 04
                  +5
                  My wife and I ordered mashed potatoes, stewed cabbage and sausages at the restaurant "Augustine's".)

                  "Who this Augustine was - only God knows for sure" (Valery Leontiev) wink
                  And I have, I confess, only tried our St. Petersburg beer restaurants a couple of times. But it probably differs from the German preparation. hi
                  Colleagues, our Vyacheslav Olegovich, as usual, came in in the morning right with a tambourine, so those of us who live in the east are lucky - soon you can pour yourself a glass! drinks Have a nice day, everyone, but for some reason I suddenly wanted a Greek shawarma - gyros! laughing
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 09: 01
                +11
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Cooked smoked pork garnished with stewed cabbage.

                By the way, if you lightly smoke the duck before baking, it also turns out super.
            2. Blacksmith 55
              Blacksmith 55 5 February 2021 09: 04
              +6
              Eisbein, a stewed pork leg, is usually served with sauerkraut and potatoes.
              For an amateur, I love cabbage, but homemade, and industrial production, brrrrr, it is with vinegar.
            3. ANB
              ANB 5 February 2021 18: 10
              +2
              ... And to my shame I don't even know what it is! request

              Pork legs stewed in sauerkraut. I also added dark beer.
          2. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 5 February 2021 08: 45
            +8
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Igor! hi
            Have you tried an icebahn in Berlin?

            Greetings Anton hi ! I tried it, it's just a kind of pork shank!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 5 February 2021 08: 53
              +9
              My respect, Aleksey! hi
              You're not right. A pork shank on the bone is used for the icebun. Since the pig has only four limbs, the dish is relatively expensive.
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 5 February 2021 08: 57
                +7
                Anton, under the definition of "icebahn" - a lot of pork meat dishes according to German recipes falls! This name is approximately like "cutlet" in Russia, like the name is one - and the recipes are Dark! I liked the Bavarian version (in beer).
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 February 2021 09: 43
                  +7
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Anton, under the definition of "icebahn" - a lot of pork meat dishes according to German recipes falls! This name is approximately like "cutlet" in Russia, like the name is one - and the recipes are Dark! I liked the Bavarian version (in beer).

                  Greetings, Alex! hi I ate this, but not in Bavaria, but in Frankfurt am Main. I liked it more with sour cold potatoes, warm cabbage and beer. I ate this in a restaurant of a small beer factory, drink separately (while I am not a beer lover, but German is drunk like coffee, even in the morning laughing )
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 5 February 2021 09: 55
                    +6
                    Greetings Albert hi I will now know that a "kosher" shank is being prepared in Frankfurt wink
                    German cuisine - a huge number of pork dishes of all kinds! The meat just melts in your mouth! By the way, I liked the traditional German soups and potato salad!
                    By the way, I am not a fan of beer either, but ... You're right - in Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic it is drunk like coffee!
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 10: 15
                      +9
                      For me, who dreamed of trying a lizard stuffed with a koala, kashrut is the most important commandment in the world. lol
                      Although, you must observe - I will be healthier)).
                      1. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 5 February 2021 10: 17
                        +4
                        belay Albert, now greenpeace minuses will stick to you ...
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 10: 22
                        +5
                        Well, okay, stuff Panda with pink flamingos, and kosher (this is serious) can be replaced with halal))
                      3. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 5 February 2021 10: 26
                        +6
                        By the way, I accidentally wandered into a restaurant in Austria (halal as it turned out) and so there - all the dishes of German cuisine with one but ... pork was simply replaced with mutton !!! it turned out to be no less tasty. yes
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 10: 37
                        +8
                        Quite right - but there is one more difference. The animal should be euthanized as quickly as possible to avoid the release of large amounts of adrenaline into the bloodstream. It's halal.
                        Kosher - after a quick killing, you check the ram's stomach for chipping, two (three for Ashkenazi) and more - the animal is not fit for consumption).
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 05
                        +5
                        Kosher - after a quick killing, you check the ram's stomach for chipping, two (three for Ashkenazi) and more - the animal is not fit for consumption).

                        Tell me, what is the explanation for this? I mean, the relationship with the notches?
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 17
                        +6
                        A sick animal has a sick stomach yes Therefore, it is better not to consume it in food))
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 33
                        +5
                        Therefore, it is better not to consume it in food))

                        You explained everything to me in a popular way! Thanks! drinks
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 31
                +3
                pink flamingo
                That's really really kosher! For common flamingos are everywhere, and pink ones are only in Eilat! laughing
              3. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 5 February 2021 10: 37
                +6
                Anton, I saw them (pink flamingos) both in our Tyumen region and in Kazakhstan! But ... in Eilat, by far the Pinkest laughing laughing And then there are Reds, not for political preferences, but simply for color. repeat
              4. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 43
                +7
                All jokes, but in Eilat they are really proud that those flamingos that hang out in the abandoned desalination reservoirs there have the most intense pink color.
              5. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 5 February 2021 10: 48
                +5
                It is likely that I will not even argue hi in general, the habitat of Flamingos is almost the entire globe, with the exception of both Americas. Unfortunately (or fortunately) this bird is not of gastronomic interest ... Albert urgently needs to switch to another representative of the Fauna drinks
              6. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 54
                +3
                Due to the fact that koalas are in the Red Book, the choice is small: monitor lizards request
              7. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 5 February 2021 11: 02
                +6
                Lizards - Definitely! yes Moreover, Koalas, eating only eucalyptus leaves, were also not eaten by humans (Australian aborigines), apparently they have a very specific taste. By the way, I was surprised to learn that the cost of keeping one Koala in the zoo = the cost of keeping two !!! Elephants belay , precisely because of the Koala's picky food!
          3. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 February 2021 19: 17
            +5
            Feed the carrots to the flamingos and the color will be fine.
          4. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 5 February 2021 19: 45
            +2
            Feed the flamingos with carrots
            Will die.
          5. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 February 2021 22: 04
            +3
            Not. Medical fact.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 19
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      And then there are Reds, not for political preferences, but simply for color. repeat

      Ie, the enemies of the communists? Or vice versa? what
    3. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 5 February 2021 11: 22
      +8
      Quote: Krasnodar

      Ie, the enemies of the communists? Or vice versa? what

      Difficult question recourse I think we need to refer this question to the Expert on the enemies of the communists - the esteemed Tatra wink
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 38
      +2
      "Enemies of the Communists, whose thoughts are unclean, are probably also enemies of the Communists" (c)
    5. kalibr
      5 February 2021 13: 09
      +2
      But it is interesting: can a pure communist think about manual fornication or not?
    6. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 13: 24
      +4
      Of course - after all, this brings the goal of the Communists closer, who are friends of the Communists, and not cowardly pretending to be Communists, being, in fact, friends of the Communists, to provide each Soviet family with a separate apartment by the year 2000 fellow After all, without handing it up, you can beat the children up, making it difficult for the party to fulfill the promise of Gen. Seka that, as you know, will play into the hands of the enemies of the communists, whose thoughts are unclean negative
    7. ee2100
      ee2100 5 February 2021 13: 30
      +4
      No, it cannot, as in the old anecdote: "shoot for being in touch with a fist and squandering the seed fund"
  3. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 18
    +2
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    pink flamingo
    That's really really kosher! For common flamingos are everywhere, and pink ones are only in Eilat! laughing

    Also in Ramat - Ghanaian Safari))
  4. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 04
    +5
    For me, who dreamed of trying a lizard stuffed with a koala, kashrut is the most important commandment in the world.

    Yes, you are nowhere else! wink Maybe you should also serve the eyebrows of an African elephant with buckwheat and capers? Have pity on the bears! stop
  5. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 36
    +5
    Not. This Bear looks like Arafat. No mercy am
  6. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 40
    +5
    This Bear looks like Arafat.

    Was Arafat also a sedentary vegan pacifist with hairy ears? belay
  7. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 48
    +3
    Except for the vegan pacifist, everything is correct)).
  8. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 59
    +4
    Except for the vegan pacifist, everything is true

    Do you deduce similarity by the principle of sedentary hairy ears? wink
    Ahh, I get it. Here you need a "casus belli" to eat a koala ... laughing Like in South Park: "It's a deer! He wants to attack us! We have every right to shoot!" fellow
  9. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 19
    +1
    In addition, Arafatich and the panda have the same intelligent facial expression. laughing
  10. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 22
    +4
    at Arafatych with a panda

    Have you already wanted a panda? I mean, gastronomically? Was there a koala? wink You will go through the whole Red Book with such a cunning plan, and you will not choke! drinks
  11. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 27
    +2
    Panda, Sulemani, Koala, Arafat - what's the difference on the spit? request
  12. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 28
    +3
    Panda, Sulemani, Koala, Arafat - what's the difference on the spit?

    I would not like to be with you on a hungry island ... laughing
  13. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 February 2021 01: 06
    0
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Panda, Sulemani, Koala, Arafat - what's the difference on the spit?

    I would not like to be with you on a hungry island ... laughing

    Well, you are not talking about "a million martyrs marching towards El-Quds to free El-Aksu from the yahud-shaitans," who are not averse to drinking behind the back of the proletariat (s) "
  14. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 12: 31
    +3
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    This Bear looks like Arafat.

    Was Arafat also a sedentary vegan pacifist with hairy ears? belay

    No with striped and always in arafatka !!!
  15. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 38
    +4
    No with striped and always in arafatka !!!

    Maybe it's easier for him to feed the barmaley? request He will not distinguish them from a Palestinian if prepared correctly. And then the bears are really sorry. They are not terrorists-babakh! sad
  16. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 February 2021 01: 10
    +1
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    No with striped and always in arafatka !!!

    Maybe it's easier for him to feed the barmaley? request He will not distinguish them from a Palestinian if prepared correctly. And then the bears are really sorry. They are not terrorists-babakh! sad

    If it is with Hummus, I cannot distinguish it from Hamas.
  17. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 February 2021 01: 08
    -1
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    This Bear looks like Arafat.

    Was Arafat also a sedentary vegan pacifist with hairy ears? belay

    No with striped and always in arafatka !!!

    And his Arafatka on the left side folded into the contour of Falastyn, conquered by the Yahuds, and on the right side his face personified a freedom-loving camel. In full face, he looked like a donkey, symbolizing the hardships of the backbreaking work of the people of occupied Palestine under the yoke of the Zionists. repeat
  • Catfish
    Catfish 5 February 2021 11: 43
    +7
    In, damn it, gluttony gathered, You are not afraid of mortal sin !? am laughing
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 5 February 2021 11: 45
      +5
      Konstantin hi we will repent later repeat
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 5 February 2021 11: 56
        +6
        Hi Aleksey hi
        The old truth: "If you do not sin, you will not repent." laughing
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 5 February 2021 12: 03
          +8
          Here, that's right good Join the discussion, the topic is delicious yes and the politics are already tired!
          Comrades, there are excellent Soups in German cuisine, for example Eintopf ... in fact, not even just a soup, but both the first and second courses at once, it is prepared with pork ribs, carrots, potatoes and beans ... such a kind of hunting kulesh in the German style!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 5 February 2021 12: 12
            +5
            Join the discussion

            Not my topic, for me food, it's something of an urgent need, like fuel for a car, or the departure of natural needs, a programmed life cycle, and nothing more.
          2. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 5 February 2021 12: 18
            +5
            We all eat in order to live and not vice versa! yes But the process of eating is sometimes worth approaching Creatively, trying some exotic ... and from a practical point of view, you need to know the "alien" cuisine, suddenly throw it to another point of the planet to complete a combat mission wink
          3. Catfish
            Catfish 5 February 2021 12: 35
            +7
            [quote will suddenly be thrown to another point of the planet to complete a combat mission [/ quote]
            Hmmm ... Suddenly I remembered: "You need to feed the unarmed soldiers, the armed ones will feed themselves." (C) smile soldier
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 20
        +1
        I like their pea with smoked meats - my wife cooks this for me wink
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 49
    +5
    Quote: Sea Cat
    In, damn it, gluttony gathered, You are not afraid of mortal sin !? am laughing

    I am a Jew. Our gluttony is not a sin, but even a commandment (on Shabbat). Like getting drunk on Drabadan on Purim drinks
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 5 February 2021 11: 59
      +5
      Hi Albert. hi
      You shouldn't have mentioned this, now everyone will run to "be baptized as Jews." laughing drinks
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 12
        +5
        You shouldn't have mentioned this, now everyone will run to "be baptized as Jews."

        Knowing you, not only as Jews, and not only as gluttons, but also as gluttons, Uncle Kostya! laughing drinks
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 5 February 2021 12: 15
          +6
          As there, in the "Hussar Ballad" Kutuzov said: "I am old, Mademoiselle."
          Now, if a little early ... wink drinks
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 19
          +4
          As there, in the "Hussar Ballad" Kutuzov said: "I am old, Mademoiselle."

          This is what he said in the "Hussar Ballad". stop At the same time, in real life, in the fall of 1812, Bennigsen scribbled slander on him - they say, Kutuzov brought with him from the Danube a young walashka, dressed as a Cossack, and shares a bed with her every day. fellow envied, in short! laughing As a result, Leonty Leontyevich got through to the fact that he was removed away from the field marshal. negative Therefore, we do not believe you! drinks
        3. Catfish
          Catfish 5 February 2021 12: 38
          +3
          The question of faith is a difficult question, you have to ask Vera. smile
        4. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 42
          +2
          The question of faith is a difficult question, you have to ask Vera.

          Ask. She is lower on the branch, and today at work she was cheated by some horned animal from the so-called. "opposition". negative
        5. Catfish
          Catfish 5 February 2021 12: 47
          +3
          Talking about politics is generally an empty exercise. Better about "tasty and healthy food". drinks
        6. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 50
          +2
          Better about "tasty and healthy food".

          Or about tasty and healthy women! Note: it was not you who suggested it! wink
          - Arkady Varlamych ... but not to slap us .. on a glass?
          - Note! I didn't suggest it!

        7. Catfish
          Catfish 5 February 2021 13: 00
          +4
          ... a glass?

          Today we have just this in the plan, so I'll deal with the fucking snow and then ... drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 23
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    As there, in the "Hussar Ballad" Kutuzov said: "I am old, Mademoiselle."
    Now, if a little early ... wink drinks

    Yeah. I am old. I am Superstar drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 22
    +5
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Hi Albert. hi
    You shouldn't have mentioned this, now everyone will run to "be baptized as Jews." laughing drinks

    Greetings, Constantine! hi It hurts to be baptized into Jews)) It is better to sin and repent - more practical, more pleasant, more fun good
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 5 February 2021 12: 31
      +4
      I agree. I have sinned and sinned, but so far I have done without repentance. smile
    2. ANB
      ANB 5 February 2021 23: 56
      +2
      ... It's better to sin and repent - more practical, more pleasant, more fun good

      Absolutely correct position.
      You will not sin, you will not repent.
      You will not repent, you will not be saved.
      (c) I don't remember who said that.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 12: 33
    +4
    Quote: Sea Cat
    In, damn it, gluttony gathered, You are not afraid of mortal sin !? am laughing

    Now I'll probably have a dumpling and I'll go to repent! Something stronger is impossible today we eat to the vet !!!
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 5 February 2021 12: 40
      +7
      Something stronger is impossible ...

      To the vet? So who is not allowed something? smile drinks
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 13: 12
        +3
        Correctly, the safety of "kysa" is equal to "I read the rules of the road" !!!! laughing
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 5 February 2021 13: 23
      +2
      Don't let the cat drink!
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 5 February 2021 14: 12
        +4
        A cat can also get five drops of valerian ... on the occasion of the weekend wink
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 February 2021 19: 18
    +2
    And also on Friday. Everyone on the sauerkraut diet.
  • kalibr
    5 February 2021 08: 56
    +6
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Have you tried an icebahn in Berlin?

    No, Anton. Did not have time!
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 5 February 2021 08: 18
    +7
    Hooray!!! Hooray... hi I have asked for a long time to continue "Knights at the table" good Thank you Vyacheslav Olegovich! I hope this is not an isolated material and there are still a lot of tasty treats waiting for us? repeat
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 08: 30
      +10
      Quote: Hunter 2
      I hope this is not an isolated material and there are still many more tasty treats waiting for us?

      Ay-ay, what are you inciting me to. Well, okay, in 12 articles there will be more material about it.
      1. ANB
        ANB 5 February 2021 23: 59
        +2
        .
        Ay-ay, what are you inciting me to. Well, okay, in 12 articles there will be more material about it.

        About Czech cuisine, if possible.
        And a baked knee.
        PS. It was amazingly cooked in a Czech house. And pork and lamb. And a rural plate is also something.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 5 February 2021 09: 51
    +3
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    to armed with stewed duck, stewed chicken and other heavy weapons


    Comrades, don't make a cult out of food! yes
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 09: 58
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      don't make food a cult!

      Better to make a cult out of food than out of another ruler!
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 12: 37
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      to armed with stewed duck, stewed chicken and other heavy weapons


      Comrades, don't make a cult out of food! yes

      When Olegovich gets to taste a lobster in your life, but as the majority of members of the forum think about you personally, "under a French roll," I propose to hit the table with a fist, as if the lobster, together with the roll, ran back into the pan and loudly say “gentlemen, don't make a cult from food "!!!!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 5 February 2021 14: 14
        0
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        When Olegovich gets to taste a lobster in your life, but as most members of the forum think about you personally, "under a French roll," I suggest you hit the table with your fist with force,

        Duc, it fell, yes.
        Our European colleagues treated them to all sorts of goodies (in their opinion goodies!): Scottish haggis, German / Austrian pork and herring, franz frog legs, snails, etc.

        What disgusting, basically, you drown in fat, or sour, or just disdain ...

        So, well, them, away ...
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 14: 20
          +3
          At the sight of toad's feet on the plate, I would also turn down the speech "contempt for the cult of food" !!! good
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 5 February 2021 14: 25
            +3
            Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
            At the sight of toad's feet on the plate, I would also turn down the speech "contempt for the cult of food" !!! good

            Vlad, that's what I'm saying - it's better to discuss restaurant menus than to catch frogs and May Beetles during exercises (as I remember the survival program, I just want to catch something tasty belay ). Although - you need to be ready for Everything, life will force - We will eat everything!
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 14: 49
              +4
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Although - you need to be ready for Everything, life will force - We will eat everything!

              Alexey agree !!!
              If fate throws you a plate of fried crabs as a test, call me, I will step on my throat, I will spit and cry, I will help to eat it out of friendship .. wink
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 5 February 2021 14: 55
                +4
                Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

                If fate throws you a plate of fried crabs as a test, call:

                Who Fries Them belay Crabs you need - Boil in sea water yes and lemon sauce! good
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 5 February 2021 19: 20
                  +5
                  And the fresher the better. And I like Kamchatka better.
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 5 February 2021 19: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: Korsar4
                    And the fresher the better. And I like Kamchatka better.

                    Sergei hi Kamchatka crabs are now excellently caught in the Barents Sea! The Norwegians are already panicking that they will eat all the cod ... wink In general, Them (crabs) there is a dark, dark species !!!
                    I liked Volosatik better good it is really not that big, but the taste is simply Excellent!
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 5 February 2021 22: 06
                      +3
                      They look like monsters. And eat: you understand that there is a lot of protein.
                    2. kalibr
                      6 February 2021 08: 33
                      +2
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      Kamchatka crabs are now excellently caught in the Barents Sea!

                      I don’t know about these, but crabs usually eat their own shell after molting. And it accumulates radionuclides. And the Barents Sea is still that dump ...
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 6 February 2021 18: 03
                    +1
                    Black Sea stones are also good, we collected them in string bags and cooked them, Aleksey is right, in sea water - amazing skus. With beer. drinks
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 6 February 2021 18: 14
                      +2
                      But this is for my mom. I heard a lot from her about mussels and other edible things in the Black Sea.

                      So the birth immediately after the war. It was relevant.
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 6 February 2021 18: 21
                      +1
                      Didn't they make pilaf from mussels? Local guys treated me, tasty and satisfying. True, we also dragged mussels from under the water in bags.
                    3. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 6 February 2021 18: 43
                      +3
                      I have not heard.
                      But I respect seafood in all its forms.
                    4. Catfish
                      Catfish 6 February 2021 18: 50
                      +2
                      On occasion, I advise you to try, you will not regret it.))
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 5 February 2021 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      At the sight of toad feet on a plate

      And they did not look at all like toad legs: light meat, in some kind of sauce ...

      Come on them, fi! I never touched .......
    4. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 17: 30
      +4
      At the sight of toad feet on a plate
      They taste pretty good. Snails are not very good, yes. Oysters are generally like seawater with the consistency of spitting. But if washed down with tequila, it's not bad. By the way, initially all these "delicacies" are the food of the poor.
    5. kalibr
      6 February 2021 08: 30
      +1
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      At the sight of toad feet on a plate

      By the way, they don't look like toads at all!
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 5 February 2021 14: 15
    +5
    Vladislav hi and then there are Langoustas - I personally like them better, although Our Kamchatka Crab is beyond competition! Well, Olgovich just got excited! wink
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 5 February 2021 14: 32
      +3
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Well, Olegovich just got excited!

      As for crabs, it's a completely different matter, it's yummy, I agree! yes

      But ... paws ?! belay
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 5 February 2021 14: 38
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich


        But ... paws ?! belay

        Paws are like paws ... you just have to force yourself to believe that this is a chicken laughing Frogs are just like pigs in survival programs (if you can't even use weapons), the minimum energy consumption is the maximum Energy output drinks
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 February 2021 14: 46
          +2
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Paws are like paws ... you just need to force yourself to believe that this is a chicken Frogs are just like pigs in survival programs (if you can't even use weapons), the minimum energy consumption is the maximum Energy output

          I agree! With everything! yes

          But ... well, them ...
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  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 5 February 2021 06: 21
    +8
    But now we have reached the Hundred Years War ... It is believed that the recipe for such a French dish as Cassoulet (fr. Cassoulet) appeared just at that distant time. And it was in the southern regions of France, so that Joan of Arc could well have eaten it in Orleans.
    Jeanne d'Arc will have to make do with onion soup, because beans are native to Latin America.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 February 2021 06: 55
      +8
      Right. Moreover, there are so different beans.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 February 2021 07: 04
        +11
        By the way, carrots, for example, in this form, as we know, were brought out in Holland only in the XNUMXth century. True, at the very beginning of the century. So man changes the face of the Earth.

        And if our contemporary turned out to be during the Hundred Years War, he would not have done without troubles.
        1. tasha
          tasha 5 February 2021 07: 16
          +7
          The basis of food was "grain" (bles), cereals, the type of which depended on the soils prevailing in a particular region. Barley or rye bread was more often on the table than bread made from white wheat flour. They ate oatmeal or barley porridge, buckwheat cakes. If there was not enough grain, wonderful tortillas were baked from chestnuts, and disgusting porridge was made from acorns. Peas, beans and vetch, which the people also considered grain, were the main course in many meals. As for the soup, it was made from cabbage when there was an opportunity, or from “herbs” (anything was good) when times were tough.

          Let's try to compose something like an "energy balance" for the generation of French people of the time of Philip VI. A good half, almost three quarters of it, were flour and flour products. For meat and fish, only thirty percent remained for the wealthy and five percent for the poorest of those who did not starve. These proportions certainly fluctuated significantly depending on the year and on seasonal prices. Nevertheless, beef, lamb and pork were eaten quite regularly.

          Jean Favier. Hundred Years War ...
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 February 2021 07: 20
            +9
            And there is. Chestnuts are tastier than acorns. But now it's fun. And then I just wanted to eat.
        2. Far B
          Far B 5 February 2021 07: 32
          +7
          And if our contemporary turned out to be during the Hundred Years War, he would not have done without troubles
          Here's a hundred agree laughing To begin with, they would burn him at the stake, then they would quarter him, and then they would hang him. Finally, they would conduct an exorcism ritual (to be sure). And most likely, all of the above would have been done to him at the same time, and meeeeeeeeeeennnoooo
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 February 2021 07: 36
            +6
            One event would be enough. But for a long time, and with the attraction of attention - so that others are discouraged.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 5 February 2021 07: 47
              +6
              Mostly unpretentiously hung. In Paris, even a special architectural structure existed - Mofokon
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 5 February 2021 07: 53
                +7
                Any business put on stream becomes just a craft.
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 10: 09
                +3
                In Paris, even a special architectural structure existed - Mofokon

                Yes, "they enlarged and accelerated production." fellow It is not surprising that the French were the first to put the guillotine on stream. Although, EMNIP, similar devices were known in other countries. what
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 24
                  +2
                  Although, EMNIP, similar devices were known in other countries.
                  Quite right! In Germany, the guillotine was used to execute criminals. The last guillotining was carried out at the beginning of the 60s. last century. This method was abandoned due to the extreme deterioration of the device.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 10: 29
                    +4
                    Anton, I mean, even before the French Revolution such devices were known. It seems that in Scotland there was some kind of similar thing-drugger earlier. what
                    In Germany, the guillotine was used to execute criminals.

                    And not only. Under the Nazis in the Moabit prison, whoever was executed with a guillotine, I will recall Musa Jalil offhand.
                    This method was abandoned due to the extreme deterioration of the device.

                    Decided not to replace? request "Guillotine affairs tuner" went into a binge, the work was idle for the third month?
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 5 February 2021 08: 10
            +6
            To be burned during the Hundred Years War, it took sooooo much work.
            1. Far B
              Far B 5 February 2021 08: 29
              +6
              To be burned during the Hundred Years War, it took sooooo much work
              To travel to our contemporary during the Hundred Years War, he will have to try much harder laughing (We will not consider options like "stick to mushrooms")
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 5 February 2021 08: 35
                +7
                "Nothing is easier than Time!" (WITH)
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 5 February 2021 09: 36
                +4
                The main thing is not to start playing it now.
                Or suddenly realize that now you can celebrate the fifth anniversary.
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 5 February 2021 09: 46
                +5
                Quote: Far In
                To be burned during the Hundred Years War, it took sooooo much work
                To travel to our contemporary during the Hundred Years War, he will have to try much harder laughing (We will not consider options like "stick to mushrooms")

                You can intensively study string theory, for example)).
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 February 2021 09: 45
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              To be burned during the Hundred Years War, it took sooooo much work.

              Greetings Anton! hi Well, yes, not everyone is given to be Joan of Arc crying
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 17
                +3
                Hi Albert! hi
                Everything is very simple. A bonfire is an accusation of heresy or witchcraft. Until the beginning of the 15th century, the phenomenon was quite rare even in such a metropolis as Paris.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 February 2021 10: 28
                  +2
                  Quite right. But - it was enough to declare publicly that the Earth revolves around the sun and it is round laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 36
                    +2
                    No, not enough.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 10: 39
                      +1
                      What else? Alchemy? ))
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 52
                        +4
                        First of all, persistence in heresy.
                        Alchemy in the Middle Ages was considered a worthy and honorable occupation.
                        The Copernican theory was perceived by society and the church quite indifferently, it was studied at the Vatican and universities. She found the greatest rejection in Lutheranism. But this is no longer the Middle Ages.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 51
                        +1
                        that is, not to abandon heresy after being summoned to the "Inquisition"? ))
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 February 2021 11: 54
                        +1
                        So.
        3. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 07
          +5
          To be burned during the Hundred Years War, it took sooooo much work.

          A few years before the start of the war, the girl Divion was burned - she forged papers for Count Robert d'Artois. sad
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 5 February 2021 11: 22
            +2
            You specify for which Robert. I know, but comrades may not know.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 34
              +2
              You specify for which Robert. I know, but comrades may not know.

              About the favorite character of Maurice Druon - an intriguer-entertainer, forger and provocateur.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 12: 42
                +3
                This is the one who rocked the young Prince Edward on his leg!
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 44
                  +1
                  This is the one who rocked the young Prince Edward on his leg!

                  And then he incited the already adult King Edward to unleash the Hundred Years War. yes
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 5 February 2021 12: 50
                    +2
                    I will clarify for clarity. We are talking about Robert III d'Artois.
                  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 13: 56
                    0
                    Didn't his grandfather decorate the door of a little-known burgher from Foandria with his spurs?
                  3. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 5 February 2021 14: 12
                    0
                    Exactly..
                  4. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 14: 13
                    0
                    Didn't his grandfather decorate the door of a little-known burgher from Foandria with his spurs?

                    You mean the "battle of the golden spurs"? Yes, his grandfather. "The vile Flemish nasty poked the noble Don with the help of drekol - godendagov". laughing
                  5. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 5 February 2021 14: 18
                    0
                    And the great-grandfather was killed by the Arabs at Mansur.
                  6. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 14: 28
                    0
                    And the great-grandfather was killed by the Arabs at Mansur.

                    What a romantic family story! laughing
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 47
      +3
      Druon - basic fiction with a historical bias.
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  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 5 February 2021 08: 44
    +5
    By the way, carrots, for example, in this form, as we know, were brought out in Holland only in the XNUMXth century.
    In fact, all these "peculiarities of national cuisines" are 200 years old, maximum.
    1. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 5 February 2021 10: 53
      +5
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      In fact, all these "peculiarities of national cuisines" are 200 years old, maximum.

      Good afternoon Anton, I suspect that even much less
      I came across a recipe for Olivier salad of the late 19th century:

      Not much in common with modern Olivier, I found only 2 similar ingredients: cucumbers and eggs hi
      Once abroad I bought an Olivier salad, which they call "Russian" - it was boiled potatoes coated with mayonnaise (the quintessence of simplification) drinks
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 5 February 2021 11: 03
        +4
        Sergei! hi
        Why only two? And the Provencal sauce? Well this is a "smear" !!!
        And the quote, if I'm not mistaken, is from E. Molokhovets.
        1. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 5 February 2021 11: 07
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          And the quote, if I'm not mistaken, is from E. Molokhovets.

          Honestly, I don't know where, I downloaded it somewhere on the Internet.
          Why only two? And the Provencal sauce? Well this is a "smear" !!!

          Well yes. You are right, but freshly made mayonnaise is used here, which differs from our store like hazel grouse with red caviar from doctor's sausage hi
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 49
      +3
      When the world got closer. And it became possible to sell local exotics.

      "And in this eatery" Moon and Scrambled Eggs "
      Only local hicks live ”(c).
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 10: 10
    +4
    By the way, carrots, for example, in this form, as we know, were brought out in Holland only in the XNUMXth century.

    Sergei, and before that it was smaller? I just didn't know it, thanks! yes
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 56
      +5
      Yeah, like parsley, and was used for the same purpose.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 01
        +5
        Yeah, like parsley, and was used for the same purpose.

        I mean, the tops were crumbled into soup? request
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 5 February 2021 11: 08
          +5
          Parsley also has a root, which is also a seasoning.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 08
            +3
            Parsley also has a root, which is also a seasoning.

            So the carrots were smaller then?
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 5 February 2021 11: 13
              +3
              Yeah, and rickety. Affected by a lack of vitamin D and tobacco smoking in childhood.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 31
                +4
                and childhood tobacco smoking.

                All Columbus is to blame! He brought me from across the ocean, God knows what!
                1. Grif
                  Grif 7 February 2021 05: 01
                  +1
                  Don’t touch Columbus, he brought potatoes. But tobacco is evil.
                2. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 7 February 2021 18: 21
                  +1
                  Don’t touch Columbus, he brought potatoes.

                  The Zen are kind, Pan Kohanku! drinks
                  Interestingly, the Germans do not value Columbus more, but Drake! hi
                  A monument was erected to him in Ofernberg with a commemorative inscription: "Sir Francis Drake, who spread the use of potatoes in Europe."
                  Here is the opinion: Through Holland, Poland, Sweden and Hungary, potatoes came to England and Ireland in 1587, according to one version - thanks to the round-the-world voyage of Admiral Francis Drake, according to the other - thanks to the English navigator Thomas Cavendish.
                  Be that as it may, in Germany - in Ofernberg - there is a monument to Drake with the caption: "Sir Francis Drake, who spread the use of potatoes in Europe."

                  http://murmansk.fsvps.ru/sites/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=fsvps_murmansk%2FPage%2FCommons%2FPage%2FStatic&cid=1485966918803&d=Touch&pagename=fsvps_murmansk%2FWrapper

                  But it looks like the monument was destroyed! request

                  This was the monument in Offenburg until it was destroyed during the Second World War.
                  http://ljrate.ru/post/7432/103447
            2. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 5 February 2021 12: 14
              +2
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Yeah, and rickety. Affected by vitamin D deficiency and childhood tobacco smoking

              Peel, smoked, ache wassat
      2. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 5 February 2021 11: 12
        +5
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        I mean, the tops were crumbled into soup?

        Good afternoon Nikolai,
        as I understand it, tops are widely used in Mediterranean cuisine. In the same Greece, the tops are widely represented in the markets, and for example, beet tops are widely used in cooking, and the beet itself is much less hi
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 30
          +3
          In the same Greece, the tops are widely represented in the markets, and for example, beet tops are widely used in cooking, and the beet itself is much less

          Sergey, hello! Probably, when I was in Zakynthos, I looked poorly at the composition of the seasonings! laughing
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 5 February 2021 11: 52
            +3
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            Sergey, hello! Probably, when I was in Zakynthos, I looked poorly at the composition of the seasonings!

            As I understand it, this is not very used in tourist cuisine. I noticed that the Greeks sometimes cook the same beets, but somehow a little and ineptly, but they consume beet tops in large quantities. That is, they do exactly the opposite with us.
            If you are in Greece, ask where and when they have a "laiki-agora" - this is a village fair, as a rule, gathering in some area 1 or even 2 times a week. Usually local peasants sell their products on it: fruits / vegetables, wine, there is moonshine, spices, honey, cheeses, etc. And the farther it is from the tourist spots, the better the food and the cheaper the prices. hi


            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 56
              +2
              If you are in Greece, ask where and when they have a "laiki-agora" - this is a village fair, as a rule, gathering in some area 1 or even 2 times a week.

              Sketched! But we were "out of season" - the second half of June. I don’t remember such fairs. However, Zakynthos is also a tourist island, that is, everything is "tailored" for tourists.
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 5 February 2021 12: 01
                +3
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                I don’t remember such fairs.

                There must be the only place I've seen where such fairs are not held is Kefalonia, where they are so lazy.
                Ask the locals or, for example, you can ask at the hotel reception, as a rule, they know.
                Be sure to go and better - not a tourist, but a purely local one. They are usually held once a week in the first half of the day: the peasants arrive in the early morning, and in the afternoon everyone leaves. hi
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 05
                +2
                There must be the only place I've seen where such fairs are not held is Kefalonia, where they are so lazy.

                Fecalonia is larger, but seems to be poorer in tourism. what If they do not spend there, then even more so in Zakynthos. Yes, they are lazy! I haven't seen it, honestly. laughing
              3. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 5 February 2021 12: 07
                +3
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                If they do not spend there, then even more so in Zakynthos.

                I haven't been to Zakynthos, so I don't know hi
              4. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 08
                +2
                I haven't been to Zakynthos, so I don't know

                The rest is pleasant. Although I have nothing to compare with, perhaps. Only with the Dominican Republic and a sanatorium in Belarus. drinks
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 5 February 2021 12: 20
        +2
        On the Costa Bravo, this phenomenon is also present.
        1. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 5 February 2021 12: 27
          +2
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          On the Costa Bravo, this phenomenon is also present.

          This is from Barcelona towards France?
          Unfortunately, I have not been to this part of Spain, I did not know that they have such fairs, although in theory why not? hi
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 5 February 2021 12: 35
          +1
          This is from Barcelona towards France?
          So.
          Food markets are organized on Wednesdays, and clothing markets are organized on Saturdays. In such a clothing market I bought a cute summer dress for 12 €. A couple of days later in Barcelona I saw the same at Inglezin for 70 €.
        3. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 5 February 2021 12: 44
          +2
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          In such a clothing market I bought a cute summer dress for 12 €. A couple of days later in Barcelona I saw the same at Inglezin for 70 €.

          Apparently, Inglezin's employees did the same. wassat
          Food markets are organized on Wednesdays
          I realized what I miss so much in the era of coronavirus - a good Mediterranean food market and ... white dry sherry, which I am so addicted to in Spain drinks
        4. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 5 February 2021 12: 47
          +1
          It's funny, of course, but in Catalonia I became addicted to the local light beer Estrella. And this is in view of the fact that I prefer dark varieties.
        5. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 5 February 2021 12: 53
          +2
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          It's funny, of course, but in Catalonia I became addicted to the local light beer Estrella.

          And I am addicted to sherry, and it is to dry (Fino) white, unfortunately, it is very rare here, sweet can be found without problems, but Fino - only 2-3 times found, and the price bites, although in Spain it is quite cheap ... drinks
          I prefer dark varieties.
          I drink very little beer, then I also prefer dark varieties. hi
        6. kalibr
          5 February 2021 13: 38
          +3
          Wine from the Palafols cooperative, pink, red and white - two weeks three times a day. Oh ... This is where the Palafols castle near Blanes and Malgrad de Mar ... You can't buy in Penza ...
    2. kalibr
      5 February 2021 13: 37
      +3
      And what breads, cheeses and sausages are at these fairs. He persuaded one cheesecake to take a picture - you will, I say, we have a "Spanish cheese star". I bought something from him, so he piled a pile of cheeses for me to try ... In my opinion, I even posted it here. But rabbits in Spain are sold poorly. With a head, but small. I even asked the saleswoman ... Rabbits? Yes, he does. Rabbits. Terrible!
    3. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 5 February 2021 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: kalibr
      But rabbits in Spain are sold poorly. Head but small

      I wonder: who are they in the "role" of rabbits? wassat
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 12: 44
    +2
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Yeah, like parsley, and was used for the same purpose.

    I mean, the tops were crumbled into soup? request

    No bursting raw! It was considered to blow potency! For this reason, my couple of male acquaintances do not eat mint !!! wassat
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 47
      +3
      For this reason, my couple of male acquaintances do not eat mint !!!

      And what, mint evokes despondency, and you don't want anything? lol
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 5 February 2021 14: 11
        +4
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        And what, mint evokes despondency, and you don't want anything?

        Nikolay, there are other herbs:
        In abundance, you should have acidic rhizomes - they help against catarrh, and a decoction of sage roots goes to poultices from skin diseases; Lapushnik removes eczema, ground and grated processes of the serpentine, or throat, are good for diarrhea and female ailments; wild oats are an excellent digestive agent, coltsfoot heals the throat; We grow both excellent gentian for digestion, and glycyrrhiza, and juniper - we cook juniper infusion. Prepare liver broth from elderberry bark. Soapy milk - we pound its roots in cold water, helps with inflammation. In addition, we grow valerian, of which you know the good qualities. "

        BUT!
        It is important to observe the measure. They get sick from abuse. Take pumpkin. It is from the wet and cold elements, quenches thirst. But if you overeat, you will have diarrhea, and you will have to squeeze the intestines with mustard, pounded with brine. And the bulbs? Consisting of warm and moist elements, they condone intercourse ... Of course, this is for those who are not bound by our vows. For us, the onion weighs our heads, with which we fight with milk and vinegar. For these reasons, ”the monk added slyly,“ it is better for a young monk to limit himself in bows. Eat garlic. Dry and hot, it will protect against poisons. But do not overdo it, because this vegetable sucks a lot of humors from the brain. Beans drive urine and build fat, both great for health. Although beans have bad dreams ... But not as dangerous as from other herbs that make you sleepy ...
        drinks
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 14: 17
          +2
          And the bulbs? Consisting of warm and moist elements, they indulge in copulation ...

          Does the smell of onions pander too? How boring I live ... wassat
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 14: 11
        +1
        Quote: Pan Kohanku
        For this reason, my couple of male acquaintances do not eat mint !!!

        And what, mint evokes despondency, and you don't want anything? lol

        Not like valerian's cat !!!
        1. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 5 February 2021 14: 21
          +3
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Not like valerian's cat !!!

          And mine has always been indifferent to Valerian, but the smell of bleach causes the most violent reactions in him hi
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 51
      +4
      The way is seasoned with rosemary.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 5 February 2021 11: 38
    +7
    ,,, the ancient Romans and Greeks, knew about carrots, and considered it a delicacy, and used only on major holidays.
    However, we eat a delicacy smile
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 11: 42
      +6
      However, we eat a delicacy

      However, I did not know! You just cultivate me with your whole kagal - educate me today about the adoption of vegetables in different historical periods! good That is, before you eat a peeled carrot, you must first raise a wreath and lie down in the sheets? lol
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 5 February 2021 12: 03
        +4
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        do you first have to raise a wreath and lie down in the sheets?

        Nikolay, about the same as Petka's story: "the patricians with the getters went to the thermal baths .." wassat
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 06
          +3
          Nikolay, about the same as Petka's story: "the patricians with the getters went to the thermal baths .."

          And the emperor Nero was very fond of singing ... good "It happened so terribly!" fellow
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 52
      +4
      Until now, the saying: "Yes, she did not eat anything sweeter than carrots."
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 50
    +2
    And smaller. And the colors of the other.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 14: 52
      0
      And smaller. And the colors of the other.

      And what? And why? drinks
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 58
        +3
        It is believed that the birthplace of carrots is Afghanistan. It was originally purple.
        In France, somewhere, starting from the XIV century, white, yellow and red were grown.

        But not orange yet.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 15: 01
          +2
          It was originally purple.

          yah? belay and the original version is still in Afghanistan, or not?
          In France, somewhere, starting from the XIV century, white, yellow and red were grown.

          Was it brought from the East during the Crusades?
          Sergey! As a personal Muse of the whole company, I give a tip on the topic for the article: "Carrots as we don't know them, and other vegetables." drinks And - a historical excursion! good otherwise my ideas about the life of the Middle Ages are quite meager, as I understand today. recourse
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 February 2021 17: 18
            +3
            For February - the first Muz - Anton.
            Then: 3 months of rest from the muses.

            It is believed that "carrots of the oriental type" came with the Moors to Spain.

            If you try, you can still find purple carrots.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 6 February 2021 20: 41
              +5
              For February - the first Muz - Anton.

              I don’t understand something ... And what did this foolish knight do such that suddenly, HE is your muse? belay
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 February 2021 21: 55
                +4
                Motivated to pull out pictures. Now it remains to comment a little in human language, and not as usual. And send him.
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 6 February 2021 22: 16
                +5
                And send him.

                I filmed this bummer so much that the cycle is enough. Did he write anything? In general, demand articles from him, Sergey!
              3. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 February 2021 23: 31
                +3
                Leverage is needed to claim. And the very necessity.

                "An encyclopedia before non-demand."
              4. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 7 February 2021 02: 00
                +2
                "An encyclopedia before non-demand."

                Only a good kick to the sweet spot will help our leader. I have already tried other methods, unfortunately ...request
              5. Korsar4
                Korsar4 7 February 2021 07: 35
                +3
                And we all need kicks.

                True, the idea that someone needs it is also not bad.
              6. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 7 February 2021 18: 23
                +3
                True, the idea that someone needs it is also not bad.

                Listen to this!
                If someone's lazy ass demands a kick hard
                So someone needs it ?!
                request
                (V. Mayakovsky. A joke is my parody of him) drinks
              7. Korsar4
                Korsar4 7 February 2021 19: 47
                +2
                About a hedgehog - a proud bird, also came to mind.
              8. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 7 February 2021 19: 52
                +5
                About a hedgehog - a proud bird, also came to mind.

                Yes, yes, even that gingerbread, who does not want to fly ... yes
                Some horned animal with problems in his personal life again went through all the comments, and put downsides ... I don't even know who to think about .. Really, every comment has a minus.
                Animal! This won't make your fate any better! negative You idiot ...
              9. bubalik
                bubalik 7 February 2021 19: 58
                +2
                Medium-sized hedgehog - 1 pc.
                Turnip - 100-150 g
                Onions - 30 g
                Dry White Wine - 200 g
                Salt, pepper, rosemary, cloves to taste.

                Recipe. A medium-sized hedgehog is taken, thoroughly cleaned of thorns. You can clear the thorns by scalding the hedgehog with boiling water. It is preferable to kill him (it is not recommended to collect dead hedgehogs). The hedgehog must be carefully gutted without damaging the skin. Separate the liver and kidneys, rinse in cold running water and put in salt water for 3 hours.

                Boil the hedgehog carcass for 10-15 minutes in salted water.

                Peel the turnips, cut into cubes 1 by 1 cm, pour white dry wine, crumble the liver and kidneys of a hedgehog and onion there, cover with spices and salt. Withstand 2-3 hours, drain thoroughly and stuff a hedgehog with this mixture.

                Fry the hedgehog for 30-40 minutes in a pan in a large amount of oil, turning regularly. After it is covered with an even crust, simmer covered over low heat for 20-30 minutes until tender.

                Serve hot on a platter, garnish with rosemary sprigs and fresh pears.
                crying
              10. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 7 February 2021 19: 59
                +3
                Serve hot on a platter, garnish with rosemary sprigs and fresh pears.

                EMNIP, is this a festive dish for the gypsies? ... crying
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 7 February 2021 19: 59
              +4
              That is, can you handle the most hopeless cases?
            3. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 February 2021 20: 01
              +3
              That is, can you handle the most hopeless cases?

              I mean, burst into curses about human malice and stupidity? No I can not. It is invincible. request that's why we live ... in the very contents of the cesspool.
            4. Korsar4
              Korsar4 7 February 2021 20: 04
              +3
              Not. Motivate to work. And wait for the result.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 6 February 2021 22: 48
    +4
    personal Muse of the whole company,

    good
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 February 2021 23: 00
      +4
      personal Muse of the whole company,

      No, Sergey, rather, I'm like that ... drinks Evil Carlson with a glass! good
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 59
    +4
    Yes. The dynastic color of the princes of Orange is orange.

    Look at the Dutch fans.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 15: 03
      +2
      Look at the Dutch fans.

      I'm not interested in. recourse
      The dynastic color of the princes of Orange is orange.

      What do you think about the existence of the same orange tree that gave the name to Oranienbaum?
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 February 2021 17: 23
        +3
        The version with orange trees on the street for the summer suits me.

        Then look at the Dutch and the Dutch girls.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 February 2021 20: 42
          +3
          Then look at the Dutch and the Dutch girls.

          Cute? Dutch girls, I mean? winked
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 6 February 2021 21: 56
            +3
            The film "Tobacco Captain" gives an exhaustive answer.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 5 February 2021 06: 23
    +11
    It was lunch time. “Wow! - said the prosecutor. - How delicious the soup smells! - "What extraordinary do they all find in this soup?" - thought Porthos at the sight of the pale broth, of which, however, there was a lot, and only a few toasts floated, rare, like the islands of the archipelago. After the soup, the maid served boiled chicken ... The poor chicken was thin and covered with that thick and bristly skin which, despite all efforts, no bones could pierce. Madame Coqunard pulled the dish close to her, skillfully separated two large black legs, which she put on her husband's plate, cut off the neck, putting it aside with her head, for herself, put the wing to Porthos and gave the maid a chicken almost intact ... Instead of a chicken, there appeared on the table a dish of beans, a huge dish, on which one could see several lamb bones, which at first glance seemed to be covered with meat ... "(c)
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 5 February 2021 06: 30
    +4
    And where about the archives of the bloody red-haired Penza? Where are the communists? What's happening?
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 07: 06
      +9
      Not all at once, Sergei. The archive does not work due to a virus.
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 5 February 2021 10: 58
      +4
      Sergey, I'm sorry, but a minus to you: Vyacheslav Olegovich has stopped running into my "fairy tale", and you provoke
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 February 2021 12: 50
        +2
        Quote: sergo1914
        And where about the archives of the bloody red-haired Penza? Where are the communists? What's happening?

        Quote: Astra wild2
        Sergey, I'm sorry, but a minus to you: Vyacheslav Olegovich has stopped running into my "fairy tale", and you provoke

        What does a woman want, that God wants !? laughing
        Proceeding from the rules of formal logic, the respected Vera dreams of a “bloody regime in Penza” !? Just a fairy tale, some, not a forum !!!
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 5 February 2021 16: 18
          +1
          On the contrary, I DO NOT WANT Vyacheslav Olegovich to denigrate my past
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 5 February 2021 11: 37
      +3
      Everyone is waiting for the second coming. laughing
  • Van 16
    Van 16 5 February 2021 06: 48
    +10
    Energy consumption is very important. But time passes, life changes. Previously, the family had a tradition, before each holiday, everyone would sit down together to make dumplings, accompanied by unhurried conversations. Not everyone, but many of them probably had it. And sunk into oblivion. There is simply not enough time for such "sacred acts" now. Unfortunately. That is why you try to spend as little time and energy as possible on cooking ..
    Thanks for the article! Very tasty!
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 5 February 2021 06: 55
      +7
      Here we are talking more about energy, rather than about labor costs. But your thesis is also correct.
      My respect, Ivan! hi
      1. Far B
        Far B 5 February 2021 07: 09
        +2
        And as for energy resources ...
        An epigraph commentary that says
        Only Russians and their closest neighbors have this kind of cooking, like languor!
        it has no direct relation to energy carriers at all: the dishes languished in special holes in the Russian oven, that is, no one thought to transfer firewood especially for languishing. He fired the stove - he put the pot down - in the morning he took out the ready-made and even hot brew. Cheap and cheerful. So the fuel consumption of Russian cuisine was not much different from European.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 5 February 2021 07: 21
          +3
          So the fuel consumption of Russian cuisine was not much different from European.
          Different and seriously different.
          Have you heard anything about the energy crisis of the Renaissance?
          1. Far B
            Far B 5 February 2021 07: 29
            +2
            Different and seriously different
            No, nifiga. It's just that, given their population density, they ruined their own earlier, that is, they had enough European forest reserves for a shorter period of time, that's all.
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 February 2021 07: 13
        +6
        And the ideal option is a self-assembled tablecloth.
        But for this you have to become Ivanushka.
      3. Van 16
        Van 16 5 February 2021 11: 16
        +1
        Good afternoon! Yes, sorry, I didn’t quite write about those costs hi
    2. kalibr
      5 February 2021 07: 05
      +5
      Quote: Van 16
      That is why you try to spend as little time and energy as possible on cooking ..

      We, too. Therefore, the set of dishes is now such that one or two - 15 minutes. and you're done!
  • bandabas
    bandabas 5 February 2021 06: 51
    +5
    good Drooling. Unfortunately, I'm going to work. I had to be content with yesterday's buckwheat with stewed pork for breakfast smile .
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 5 February 2021 08: 28
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I won't last until lunchtime without reinforcements.

    Have a lunch at 11.00 Sandwich with salted avocado slices and coffee.


    Where did potatoes, tomatoes and avocados come from in the Middle Ages? This is the age of the Enlightenment, and not the Middle Ages. Even during the Renaissance, only the conquistadors had just begun to get acquainted with these products.
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 08: 32
      +4
      Quote: Aleksandr1971
      Where did potatoes, tomatoes and avocados come from in the Middle Ages?

      And who says that they were then? But if you really love accuracy, then you have to be precise to the end. Revival it ... was different. Proto-Renaissance (duchento) - 2nd half of the XIII century - XIV century Early Renaissance (trecento) - early 20th - late XNUMXth centuries High Renaissance (Quattrocento) - late XNUMXth-first XNUMX years of the XNUMXth century So the conquistadors got acquainted with products of Indian origin during the Quattrocento era, the High Renaissance.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 5 February 2021 09: 02
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, does it seem to me, or do you really operate with art historical landmarks, defining the boundaries of eras?
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 5 February 2021 09: 34
          +2
          And how is it worse than another?
          It's easier for me in general with personalities.

          Although in different countries it is different. Shakespeare to what period belong?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 08
            +1
            And how is it worse than another?
            It's not worse, it's one-sided.
            1. kalibr
              5 February 2021 10: 59
              +2
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              one-sided.

              It depends on what side!
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 5 February 2021 11: 06
                +1
                Yes, from everyone! The Decameron cannot be viewed in isolation from the plague pandemic.
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 43
              +1
              It's just a piece of a puzzle.
              By the way, "Decameron" did not hook at all.
        2. kalibr
          5 February 2021 09: 55
          +1
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Do you really operate with art historical landmarks, defining the boundaries of eras?

          Sure! Is it wrong?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 5 February 2021 10: 05
            0
            In my opinion, yes.
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 5 February 2021 10: 18
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, you are a little "lost" in geography and time: in France the most favorite dishes are onion soup and frogs. And I didn't even see it close
        1. kalibr
          5 February 2021 10: 50
          +4
          Quote: Astra wild2
          favorite dishes in France: onion soup and frogs

          Each region has its own. In Carcassonne - Casoulet!
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 February 2021 14: 45
            +2
            And in Marseilles - buybes.
            Where everything that is not suitable for decent dishes.

            And if we still start to select wines for each region.
            A good route will go from monastery to monastery.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 14: 55
              +3
              And in Marseilles - buybes.

              EMNIP, in Spain the national dish is buchero. Like a chowder from everything at hand. hi
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 February 2021 09: 00
    +2
    But all these dishes are more related to the wealthy townspeople and the nobility. Most of the peasants of the mob were gorging themselves for lack of time and food, as well as the high cost of firewood in Europe.
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 5 February 2021 09: 43
    +3
    Eating veal in Russia was considered an unacceptable, shameful thing (they took care of the livestock!)

    This is still happening. We bought sheep from the shepherd and decided to buy a lamb. The price was the same as for an adult ram. The shepherd said: "In half a year it will be as big, why sell it cheaper?" And you can't argue.
    But they ate the lamb. Delightful taste!
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 5 February 2021 09: 57
    +5
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, hello colleagues.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, THANK YOU for the interesting and unexpected material. In an hour or so I'll tell you the reviews of my friends.
    In the meantime, the first note, you and Roman need a lozina: you make you choke with saliva
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 5 February 2021 09: 59
    +1
    A piece of bacon is cut into cubes and melted in a preheated frying pan, onions are added there and fried until half cooked, after which soaked mushrooms are added to the onions (you can also use champignons from the store, by the way) and fresh cabbage. Fry until the mushrooms produce juice. Now add carrots and a glass of salted boiling water with tomato paste diluted in it. All this is stewed until the cabbage is soft and juices.

    Now you can add sauerkraut, chopped apple, mix it all, cover and simmer. Then, when the sauerkraut becomes soft, pour in red wine and simmer again over low heat for 45 minutes - stirring so that our bigos does not burn. However, that's not all, don't even hope!

    Now let's move on to the meat. Cut it finely and fry in another pan for 5-15 minutes, then add smoked meat and fry a little again. Sausage and smoked bacon also go there, and all this is also fried for several minutes.


    So that I spend so much of my life cooking some kind of ... grub ?!

    Yes, not in zhist! I will not allow myself, nor my wife.

    Food should be simple and healthy.

    And on weekends, what kind of bigos compares to a shish kebab made with your own hands (a hundred times faster than cooked one, huh)?
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 5 February 2021 10: 51
      +5
      "so that I wasted so much of my life on some kind of .. grub" Olgovich, I am very sorry that I cannot give you 5+.
      Next time, when you defame my "fairy tale", I will not put on - and I will swear less
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 5 February 2021 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: Astra wild2
        Next time, when you defame my "fairy tale", I will not put on - and I will swear less

        I don’t give you any disadvantages.

        By the way, a fairy tale cannot be discredited, it is ... a fairy tale hi
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 5 February 2021 16: 08
          +2
          Olgovich, you +: well bitten
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 14: 56
        +3
        denigrate my "fairy tale"

        Oh, he is such and such a spoiler of fairy tales! laughing Joke. Colleagues, a gorgeous forum - like in the good old days, about everything, and with humor. drinks
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 5 February 2021 16: 13
          +5
          Nikolay, I agree with you: Valery and Vyacheslav Olegovich stand out for this, under Samsonov or Kharluzhny, something I have not seen
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 16: 40
            +4
            Nikolay, I agree with you: Valery and Vyacheslav Olegovich stand out for this, under Samsonov or Kharluzhny, something I have not seen

            Guys, we ourselves created this communication! request We just - nicely communicate. Instead of swearing and sorting out the relationship. Although we are all completely different, and each with his own cockroaches, we have learned to respect each other. Well, the fact that we are kidding is friendly and friendly! drinks And, Vera, mind you - there are more of us! yes
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 5 February 2021 16: 53
              +4
              Quote: Pan Kohanku

              Guys, we ourselves created this communication! request We just - nicely communicate. Instead of swearing and sorting out the relationship. Although we are all completely different, and each with his own cockroaches, we have learned to respect each other. Well, the fact that we are kidding is friendly and friendly! drinks And, Vera, mind you - there are more of us! yes

              Nicholas good I subscribe to your every word, I am glad that in History and Armament all communication takes place in a warm and friendly atmosphere! drinks
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 6 February 2021 20: 37
                +3
                in History and Armament, all communication takes place in a warm and friendly atmosphere!

                My friends! Our union is wonderful! Pushkin said this, but I subscribe. yes
                "We are different - we are together!" (motto to Pane Kohancu) drinks
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 5 February 2021 17: 54
              +3
              Nikolay, I agree in many ways, but for interest, take a look at the "branch" where Samsonov is, how much negative there is
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 6 February 2021 20: 39
                +3
                Nikolay, I agree in many ways, but for interest, take a look at the "branch" where Samsonov is, how much negative there is

                I do not want. Samsonov writes provocative articles, and those who want to swear and throw out emotions flock under them. I'm not on my way with them. stop I love SMART, Vera. hi And Samsonov will remain not the best character in the history of journalism - mark my word. negative
                1. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 7 February 2021 08: 16
                  +1
                  Poisonously said
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 7 February 2021 18: 25
                    +1
                    Poisonously said

                    Not at all. We all have collected one of the most adequate companies on the site. Just because we don't swear, and we respect each other. hi
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 February 2021 10: 05
    +5
    I cooked bigos like this:
    Extra Virgin olive oil is poured into the pan
    The cut veal is thrown into the oil after it boils. When the meat “takes on color” thinly chopped onion is added on top. After it turns yellow, add red cabbage and diced Potatoes in the proportion "it should be five to six times less than cabbage."
    Poured with boiling water, the fire decreases under the lid.
    After the potatoes are tender, add meat from the thigh of smoked chicken and cubes of soft smoked sausage. After five minutes - bay leaves, cloves and peppers (1: 2). Everything is mixed, done over low heat and cut down.
    The bay leaf is pulled out.
    Salt to taste.
    To reveal the Taste to boys:
    Whiskey Glen Morange 18-year-old (if cheap, then Jack Daniels - no Shivas or Jameson or Blackoa-Reds or, God forbid, White Horses), Stolichnaya vodka from Crystal or Arak.
    For girls - Sambuca or Arak, diluted with water (any anise garbage).
    Sambuca can be set on fire; before consumption, prepare a napkin, the middle of which is broken through with a straw. The fire is extinguished, the drink is drunk, a straw is placed in a glass and breathes in anise vapor (you can put a straw in your nose, some girls do this laughing )
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 10: 30
      +4
      To reveal the Taste to boys:
      Whiskey Glen Morange 18-year-old (if cheap, then Jack Daniels - no Shivas or Jameson or Blackoa-Reds or, God forbid, White Horses), Stolichnaya vodka from Crystal or Arak.
      For girls - Sambuca or Arak, diluted with water (any anise garbage).

      Well, here it is - a must-have item! wink Albert, pleased! drinks
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 11: 15
        +3
        Inspired by Vyacheslav Olegovich Zubrovka hi
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 5 February 2021 10: 32
    +4
    Well, as they say ... "war is war, and lunch is on schedule!" Devour in time - it never hurts! yes You can tell a little about food ... food from the times of the Hundred Years War ...

  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 5 February 2021 10: 41
    +5
    Now one of Kazlin was shaking his nerves for V.V.: a bad uncle, and we are his fallen women
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 10: 53
      +3
      If via PM, then write to the moderators - he won't do it anymore!
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 5 February 2021 11: 08
        +4
        I'm at work, and here the moderators are powerless
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 08
          +4
          Quote: Astra wild2
          I'm at work, and here the moderators are powerless

          So you tell the man that his mother, wife and sisters are the fallen women of Navalny, who were sold to the State Department for 30 Serebryanikov, for which earlier it was possible to buy a plot of land in the area of ​​the Jerusalem Temple, but today you cannot buy falafel with Cola - vote after that for Bibi am
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 14
            +2
            that his mom, wife and sisters are the fallen women of Navalny

            and that the "man" himself ... belongs to the gay vaping blue. negative
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 16
              +2
              And to ask what associations does the riot policeman's club evoke in him?
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 12: 21
                +1
                And to ask what associations does the riot policeman's club evoke in him?

                Oh, this should be called Privalov - he has a good doctor Freud on his profile picture! laughing we will deduce associations according to Freud! drinks
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 February 2021 12: 33
                  +2
                  we will derive associations according to Freud

                  That's exactly what I wanted to say)).
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 5 February 2021 16: 21
            +2
            Thanks for the tip. On the street I would slap him in the face, but at work I have no right
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 February 2021 16: 43
              +1
              Why? Even if this is your boss, he has no right to insult you. Who is he anyway?
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 5 February 2021 17: 43
                +3
                The boss may think that Putin is a bad uncle, but to speak publicly? So that the higher leaders make the appropriate organizational conclusions. As the saying goes: "dumb fools"
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 February 2021 18: 51
                  +1
                  I don’t understand - is it just your colleague at work? )) So send it in three letters and read the entire pedigree along the female line, from Catherine II to Sasha Gray and through the male, from Jacques Cocteau to Dima Bilan lol What are you lost then?
                  1. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 5 February 2021 20: 06
                    +2
                    I work at the reception. It will be nice if I send the sick on an excursion. They will send me on an excursion myself, and I love to eat. Will you feed me and become a "girlfriend"? I doubt your wife will like it
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 20: 25
                      -1
                      Call security))
  • ee2100
    ee2100 5 February 2021 11: 06
    +5
    The author quoted my words from the commentary about the time and energy consumption of cabbage soup, which are really typical of Russian cuisine.
    In the first part of his culinary tour, the author tells about the Polish bigos, but it is not true that this is a truly Polish dish. This dish is known in the kitchens of our neighbors, Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians, but under a different name. And we see that this is a dish of our region, where there is enough firewood and there is an opportunity to stew it for a long time. Bigos is prepared for several days and the longer it costs, the tastier it is, almost like cabbage soup.
    About French cassoulet. As the author correctly wrote at the beginning, this is a stew with meat and that's it. And what the author then describes is a gimmick for tourists visiting attractions such as Carcassonne. They will not tell you yet!
    How does French cuisine stand? Spices and sauces. In this the French are masters! In those days, when there were no refrigerators, products quickly deteriorated and in order to fight off the smell of decay, sauces and spices were used in large quantities.
    French cuisine is very much divided by region. It is necessary to distinguish between cuisine for the common people and for the nobility.
    What on earth can we immediately name from French cuisine? Oysters, mussels, onion soup, frogs. Agree this is not from a good life. You can confidently add cheeses.
    An excerpt from "Three Musketerah" was given in the comments and this reflects the real cuisine of those years.
    It's real that it takes a very long time to prepare from traditional French cuisine and what the author kept silent about is bouillabaisse soup, probably he was not in Marseille.
    Regarding the traditional English breakfast. English cuisine was traditionally meager. "Oatmeal, sir!" And only 40-50 years ago, when tourism began to develop intensively, the British took care and practically re-created their cuisine.
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 13: 43
      +2
      Quote: ee2100
      the author said nothing so it's bouillabaisse soup, probably he was not in Marseille.

      Was not. I wrote only about what I tried myself.
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 5 February 2021 16: 28
      +3
      To you +: everything is reasonably said. I myself told Vyacheslav Olegovich about onion soup and frogs
  • Van 16
    Van 16 5 February 2021 11: 27
    +3
    Here are Christmas trees-brooms, what delicious comments today))
    Apparently, you have to go to the kitchen to cook something interesting))
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 5 February 2021 11: 35
    +5
    Colleagues, off topic. I got myself a crown shot yesterday. And if in the next 5-7 days I write nonsense, and then disappear, it is not the moderators' fault. She just turned into a monkey and ran into the jungle!
    P
    $
    Unofficial vaccination questionnaire: 9 out of 19 male doctors: “for” 9, against -7.
    Most interesting comments
    3 were vaccinated, but everyone was told that they were totally against it.
    2 will do, but will not recommend to everyone they know
    1 will do, but his acquaintances will not understand if he is vaccinated.
    And we had horror stories among doctors.
    The monkey gene is present in the vaccine and after vaccination, women will have changes and so on. Here we who wanted to be vaccinated were called: "monkeys"
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 February 2021 19: 24
      +1
      Immediately copy what you wrote this week. Then we will compare.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 5 February 2021 19: 58
        +1
        I leave it to you. And my temperature rose a little, but the temperature does not affect intelligence
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 5 February 2021 22: 10
          +1
          Alas. If I take care of your biography, I will have to raise more information.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 6 February 2021 08: 51
            +1
            Why is my biography. You recommended that I copy my comments for a week. There was no talk about a biography. You will also require a report where you have been
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 February 2021 10: 04
              +1
              Why demand something? People tell themselves. Just listening and drawing conclusions is also a skill.
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 6 February 2021 16: 42
                +1
                Perhaps you are right.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 5 February 2021 19: 47
      +1
      "Strongly against" - it looks like a pod, and the boys gave in the face for a pile
  • Undecim
    Undecim 5 February 2021 11: 52
    +6
    Lunch in the style of the Hundred Years War ...
    If you try to strictly adhere to the time frame, then bigos is not suitable. The Hundred Years War ended in the middle of the XNUMXth century. The first written sources where "bigos" is found as a dish is the XNUMXth century - "Compendium Ferculorum" by Stanislav Czarnecki. Besides, there was no cabbage in bigos until the XNUMXth century. Before that, the dish was prepared from minced meat, fish or crayfish, and the characteristic sourness was provided by adding lemon or lime, sometimes wine vinegar or gooseberries.
    And cabbage is a forced measure. In the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries, it became tense with lemons and limes in Poland, so the chefs adapted to replace the exotic with what was available.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 5 February 2021 12: 09
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    Where did potatoes, tomatoes and avocados come from in the Middle Ages?

    And who says that they were then? But if you really love accuracy, then you have to be precise to the end. Revival it ... was different. Proto-Renaissance (duchento) - 2nd half of the XIII century - XIV century Early Renaissance (trecento) - early 20th - late XNUMXth centuries High Renaissance (Quattrocento) - late XNUMXth-first XNUMX years of the XNUMXth century So the conquistadors got acquainted with products of Indian origin during the Quattrocento era, the High Renaissance.


    But these products definitely have nothing to do with the Hundred Years War.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 5 February 2021 12: 12
    +4
    But now we have reached the Hundred Years War ... It is believed that the recipe for such a French dish as Cassoulet (fr. Cassoulet) appeared just at that distant time. And it was in the southern regions of France, so that Joan of Arc could have eaten it in Orleans. At first glance, there is nothing complicated in it: a stew of meat and beans is what it is. But in reality it is a masterpiece: in a bowl you will find tender white beans in an abundance of sauce. But among the beans you will also find large chunks of garlic sausage and even fried duck (confit). Moreover, the beans in real cassoulet should be soft and tender, and not fall apart, and cover its entire surface with a golden crust of crackers. Prepare cassoulet ... for a few days! And it was necessary to spend quite a lot of firewood on it too!
    Alas and ah! Jeanne d'Arc failed to try such a delicious dish - the Virgin of Orleans was burned in 1431, in the first third of the XNUMXth century. And the beans were brought to Europe by Columbus, so you won't be able to taste them before the XNUMXth century.
    Therefore, Joan of Arc had to be content with a simple peasant dish - meat that was found in the pantry, with peas, which was cooked from morning to evening.
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 5 February 2021 12: 24
      +1
      Yes, with the beans and Jeanne d'Arc, the puncture came from the author, or it was just so skillfully that they bred him in Carasson!
      1. kalibr
        5 February 2021 13: 46
        +1
        Quote: ee2100
        Yes, with the beans and Jeanne d'Arc, the puncture came from the author, or it was just so skillfully that they bred him in Carasson!

        I wrote about what was written about Kasule ... guess it right or wrong, check-look ... yes nafig? The main thing is old and tasty!
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 5 February 2021 13: 49
          0
          If about culinary delights, then the story is a side?
        2. Undecim
          Undecim 5 February 2021 15: 21
          +4
          guess so or not, check-search ... yes nafig?
          Well nafig, so nafig. After all, for most of the authors and readers on this site, historical accuracy is a secondary issue. Matched - good, did not match - in fig.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 5 February 2021 16: 04
            +2
            "Matched-well didn't match on figs" Vic. Nick, "Samsonov" and Kharluzhny are sinning with this.
    2. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 5 February 2021 14: 36
      +5
      Quote: Undecim
      And the beans were brought to Europe by Columbus, so you won't be able to taste them before the XNUMXth century.

      Apparently a different kind, beans were grown both in ancient Rome and in ancient Greece, beans were found during excavations in Pompeii.
      Beans were also used in medieval cuisine, but I don't remember exactly here, I could be wrong. hi
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 5 February 2021 15: 13
        +5
        Apparently a different kind, beans were grown both in ancient Rome and in ancient Greece, beans were found during excavations in Pompeii.
        These are not beans. This is Lablab purpureus - hyacinth beans or lobia.
        1. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 5 February 2021 16: 17
          +3
          Quote: Undecim
          These are not beans. This is Lablab purpureus - hyacinth beans or lobia.

          This is what they call her now? hi
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 5 February 2021 17: 26
            +1
            No, red beans are a type of common beans.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 5 February 2021 12: 13
    +7
    You know, dear colleagues, I realized long ago that gluttony is not my sin, or rather, I am more susceptible to other sins, but explain to me, the wretched one: if, for example, artichokes are added to the recipe for bigos instead of prunes, it will cease to be a bigos, it will cease to be Polish, or what?
    I have ever eaten any food, both prepared by professionals and amateurs, finally, I like to cook myself, but kill me, I don't understand why, for example, pilaf with caraway seeds is pilaf, but not with cumin, or vice versa. In general, I will not distinguish them from one another, I will not even distinguish whether there is any of the above.
    Sometimes I have a thought: isn't all this gourmet show off? Rather, I'll put the question a little differently: in how many cases out of ten are the arguments of a gourmet-esthete - pure show-off? I reassure myself: subtle taste buds are not given to you, so this does not mean that others do not have them either. It is foolish to say that all music is the same on the basis of a lack of ear for music. But all the same, the feeling that all these gourmets just steam up me, with a serious air, talking about the advantages of German beer over Czech or vice versa, while unanimously reviling Russian beer, does not leave me. I also don’t understand the reasoning on the topic “only French cognac is suitable for this dish, not Georgian and, moreover, not Armenian. Georgian - only for satsivi with sesame seeds”. What the fuck is the difference? wassat It's tasty and satsivi for me (no nuts possible laughing ) with vodka, and pickled octopuses from the nearest supermarket with whiskey, and shashlik for brandy, and gorged with takahuli - the main thing is that a lot, satisfying, quickly chewed and was normally salted. smile
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 5 February 2021 12: 21
      +3
      I agree 1000%! Bigos and pilaf, mentioned by you, is just a way of cooking, and the ingredients are already "in taste and color ...."
      A lot depends on the quality of the initial products, and of the skill of the performer.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 5 February 2021 18: 51
        +1
        I think yes. And from the personal tastes of the taster.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 5 February 2021 19: 11
          0
          Consumer
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 5 February 2021 12: 25
      +3
      pilaf with caraway seeds is pilaf,
      This is not pilaf.
      In general, I will not distinguish them from one another, I will not even distinguish whether there is any of the above.
      This can be only in one case - with a complete loss of taste and smell.
      What the fuck is the difference?
      It's the same with cognac.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 5 February 2021 19: 01
        +1
        Quote: Undecim
        This is not pilaf.

        Now, you are already arguing. smile Without pretending to the authority of my opinion in this matter, I will refer to my friends Andrey, Denis and Nurullo, who are claiming. The score is 2: 1 in favor of cumin, but this only means that a third of the respondents spoke in favor of cumin. Globally, this is a very serious figure. smile
        Quote: Undecim
        only in one case

        Well, maybe I exaggerated a little. smile The truth is that I really don't care who adds what - cumin, caraway seeds, maybe saffron, cloves, or all together. I feel the difference, but I generally don't care about it.
        Personally, I love Dagestan cognac, and it fits everything with me. smile It is not interesting for me to understand the intricacies of the taste of different cognacs, although I can feel the difference.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 5 February 2021 23: 30
          +1
          And in ancient Rome, the poor replaced saffron with calendula.
          However, you do not keep the teahouse.
    3. Undecim
      Undecim 5 February 2021 13: 59
      +5
      There are people who do not care what there is - just more. My colleague in training dumped pearl barley porridge with moss into a tank with borscht (army, not homemade), crumbled bread, mixed it and ate it on both cheeks.
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 16: 24
      +3
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      if you add artichokes instead of prunes to a recipe for bigos, it will cease to be bigos, it will cease to be Polish, or what?

      Greetings! hi The Poles themselves say that you can put anything in the bigos)).
      I have ever eaten any food, both prepared by professionals and amateurs, finally, I like to cook myself, but kill me, I don't understand why, for example, pilaf with caraway seeds is pilaf, but not with cumin, or vice versa.

      My pilaf is not pilaf at all, by definition, as it uses canned carrots with peas and .. ketchup. And after cooking in saucepan ... I fried for a couple of minutes in a pan in olive oil, to which I added ketchup. Nevertheless, all my friends were going to my pilaf. The secret is the right ketchup laughing Yes, and the meat is a semi-finished product of a properly selected ... Zogshchobek kebab fellow
      In general, I will not distinguish them from one another, I will not even distinguish whether there is any of the above.
      all these gourmets just steam up me, with a serious look talking about the advantages of German beer over Czech, or vice versa, while unanimously vilifying Russian beer.

      As a non-beer lover, I inform you - German Bavarian went with a bang even in the morning, Russian in any way, Czech did not like it, I was drinking Irish cherry (sort of) with Blue Leibel - the taste range was excellent. And the state too.
      Also, I don’t understand the reasoning on the topic “only French cognac is suitable for this dish, not in any case Georgian and, moreover, not Armenian.

      I will tell you more - not every French suits every dish, and in general, they are all different. The same Kurvazier - XO will go with a barbecue, it is tougher than the younger VSOP, which comes with more "subtle" dishes in terms of taste. Martel has the opposite picture, but if you take Hennessy's ruler, then I advise, bypassing the XO, goes to expensive horse meat.
      Armenian - there are good ones, but I don't understand brandy. All my knowledge from the range of Duty Free and gifts that they brought me. Georgian, Russian - drank at a party. Swill, it's better to drink good vodka, rassusolit about the taste of this garbage in combination with some kind of dish - there is nothing to scratch your tongue about.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 5 February 2021 19: 23
        +4
        Greetings Albert.
        What you have written for me is generally as far away as writing on quantum physics.
        Any beer is good when you want it. After a week in the taiga on some kind of rafting, the packaging of "Three Bears" in a plastic container, bought in a local shop, cannot be compared with anything else, I assure you ...
        Pilaf for me is meat, rice and carrots in approximately equal proportions, everything else is to taste.
        Cognac is Dagestan, for some reason it suits me best, but this is for some reason. If you just want to roll a hundred and fifty after work - this happens - then I prefer vodka with salted mushroom or lard, and with hot stuff. smile Well, or a tincture of my own manufacture, I have it at 50 degrees ...
        I don't pretend for more, however, I think, from a person who has lived all his life in the village, there is no need to expect anything else. I have enough and I feel good, so I consider it beneath my peasant dignity to understand such subtleties. smile
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 February 2021 19: 57
          +3
          Well, after a week in the taiga - I agree. As with a woman. I haven't seen them for a month - the main thing is to be a woman laughing
          About pilaf - I agree. And most importantly, it should be tasty. ))
          Cognac - how did I come to this life? At first, everyone drank vodka, she got tired. We switched to whiskey. And then the Russians came in large numbers and taught us to be French laughing
          So if there is enough and you are happy with everything, then why go into such a jungle as what with what dish at this time of day? ))))
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 5 February 2021 23: 32
          +2
          Dagestan is simply the best Russian.
          With forest managers in the field we drink vodka.
          It's not like in the city. Probably even a necessity.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 February 2021 00: 56
            +1
            In nature, vodka is finally beauty! good
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 February 2021 00: 59
              +2
              It's just an extra calorie intake, and for sleep.
              In the morning - health and vigor.

              Unless, of course, someone's birthday does not fall out.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 February 2021 01: 11
                0
                A dull hangover then? ))
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 6 February 2021 01: 16
                  +2
                  Not. Measurement error not typical for normal days.
                  But the young, healthy organisms of the taxis cope quickly.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 6 February 2021 01: 29
                    0
                    In the cold, after all strong drinks, people quickly sober up. An exception is chacha laughing At minus 20 in Moscow, she made me so lucky - brrrr
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 6 February 2021 02: 00
                      +2
                      Cold is a relative thing. The body is cleansed with the withdrawal of fluid, movement, talking and singing.
    5. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 February 2021 19: 27
      +3
      Pilafs are different. During their visits to Tajikistan, the organizers specially took them to different places with different pilaf.

      And the nuts are so good.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 5 February 2021 12: 39
    +5
    If, Vyacheslav Olegovich, decided to start the description of the cuisine of the Hundred Years War period from Southern France, then it was necessary to choose escabeche - meat or fish stewed in vinegar with spices.
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 13: 48
      +3
      Have not tried it. And the article is only about what I tried myself. And you can write about fried cockroaches ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 5 February 2021 13: 55
        +8
        And the article is only about what I tried myself.
        But what about the headline about the Hundred Years War?
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 5 February 2021 14: 05
          0
          The title is just an excuse to get into the "history" section, but also as a culinary historian! hi
        2. kalibr
          5 February 2021 14: 15
          +1
          Quote: Undecim
          But what about the headline about the Hundred Years War?

          I read that the recipe appeared then. Enough?
          1. depressant
            depressant 5 February 2021 18: 19
            +4
            Lunch in the style of the historical war between man and food. It happens that food defeats a person. wassat lol
            And she has her own lawyers)))
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 February 2021 19: 28
        +3
        Chinese cuisine: silkworms, swimmers. But fish and pork are better. But dairy products were in short supply.
        1. depressant
          depressant 5 February 2021 19: 49
          +3
          Yes, they do not tolerate lactose))
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 February 2021 22: 07
            +2
            And why should we?
            1. depressant
              depressant 5 February 2021 22: 38
              +3
              And for that we have palm oil, that milk lactose is easily tolerated and we do not run to fertilize the owners' garden. But the Chinese were in advance and, at the behest of Comrade Xi, are slowly getting used to Far Eastern milk, and the Far East - to fertilize their gardens with a shock dose of palm trees.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 5 February 2021 23: 05
                +2
                It will not be easy for them to get used to the winter of Yakutia.
                And Ussuriisk, Khabarovsk, Yuzhno-Sakhalin, and even Blagoveshchensk and Chita are blessed lands.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 5 February 2021 23: 29
                  +2
                  Chita - blessed?)))) With a well-fertilized soil as a result of the Hundred Years War of the stomach with food?
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 5 February 2021 23: 36
                    +2
                    Yes. The central street is even beautiful. The hotel is decent. The meat is excellent. The region specializes in cattle breeding.

                    The airport, however, is austere. But this is not the worst thing.
                    And they managed to cut the larch in the nearest neighborhood decently.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 6 February 2021 00: 28
                      +2
                      Of course the Chinese? They chopped up, took away, uprooted the stumps and took them with them, I suppose?
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 6 February 2021 00: 50
                        +4
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, sorry, where have you seen enough of such horror stories?

                        The intensity of forest use in the Russian Federation is so much less than in the USA, Finland and Sweden that it’s scary to think.

                        The key problem is not this, but the unemployment of people.
                        The forest will grow. With all the details and caveats.

                        The question of the current system of the national economy.

                        The classic GF Morozov said the aphorism: "Cutting and renewal are synonyms." This one is still relevant.
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 6 February 2021 08: 18
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        And you can write about fried cockroaches ...

        Fried cockroaches are familiar to me from Southeast Asia ... and not only cockroaches, but I don't want to write about them!
  • Shahno
    Shahno 5 February 2021 14: 39
    +4
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: Far In
    To be burned during the Hundred Years War, it took sooooo much work
    To travel to our contemporary during the Hundred Years War, he will have to try much harder laughing (We will not consider options like "stick to mushrooms")

    You can intensively study string theory, for example)).

    Inspired ... In my bright youth, some of them passed the exam ... in field theory. laughing
    Ps. It was necessary, as it were, to "soar above reality", otherwise nothing, not a damn thing is clear. It was a long time ago, when Sergei Petrovich was with us ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 16: 33
      +3
      Soaring above reality is Dr. Hoffman laughing
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 17: 48
        +2
        And put on reality-Dr. Shulgin yes .
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 February 2021 18: 22
          +1
          They + - from the same opera good laughing
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 18: 30
            +1
            Shulgin was much more prolific. And much more desperately, I personally checked out almost all the created substances (a good couple of hundred). Pruschie several times. And he had the same fighting girlfriend. Torch genius good And in appearance - a boring screw-up laughing Moreover, he posted all the recipes for syntheses in the public domain.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 February 2021 18: 45
              +1
              Fertile - yes, but the "acid" was invented before him by Hoffman)). MDMA - et Shulginskoe laughing
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 19: 07
                +2
                "Acid" was invented before him by Hoffman
                He developed drugs for cardiology and injected LSD into himself in an insignificant (as it was then believed smile ) dose to ensure its safety. I was so convinced that I became one of the first psychopharmacologists.
                By the way, it covered him when he rode home on a bicycle.
                Shulgin initially became involved in psychopharmacology due to his enthusiasm yes ... And he did not invent MDMA (it was done in 1912 by Merck), but rather simplified the synthesis and promoted it. But "Siberia" (2-SV) is his gift to mankind.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 February 2021 19: 10
                  +1
                  The second and third did not try laughing
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 19: 12
                    +1
                    The second and third did not try
                    Have you tried the compote? wink ? Yes, how can you try - there and then some wassat it is illegal yes
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 5 February 2021 19: 17
                      +1
                      The law is territorial, not personal. That is, if you tried something in Burkina Faso, there was no violation of the legislation of the Russian Federation - the source of flash-backs in the form of Purple Merlin Monroes on pink winged elephants is not located in the Russian Federation, therefore you are not subject to jurisdiction and are innocent before the laws of the country soldier
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 19: 27
                        +2
                        An attempt to ride a pink winged elephant in the Russian Federation will end in failure for sure laughing In addition, in the Russian Federation can conscious citizens am to see in our correspondence the propaganda of cats on the Internet, then you will go with Navalny to play and Petrov and Boshirov (they have experience) will come to me and make me check out the substances they have wassat
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 20: 00
                        +3
                        We have anti-propaganda - who would like a purple blonde with an unfashionable hairstyle riding on an unnatural animal color? what
                      3. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 20: 16
                        +3
                        I can't be so sure, there are all sorts of unique ones yes Some see the victory in the Third World War as reality, and some fool generally enter the archives of the Hyperboreans.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 20: 26
                        +2
                        But these comrades, just, are worth checking. For the presence of the results of Shulgin's studies in the blood negative
                      5. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 20: 59
                        +3
                        Registration for VO after visiting a narcologist and psychiatrist (and obtaining the relevant certificates) is a good idea yes ... And the entrance after checking with a USB breathalyzer drinks .
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 February 2021 21: 15
                        +1
                        And filling out a special questionnaire.
                        Trip is:
                        a) Sexually transmitted disease
                        b) Travel agency in Tartary
                        c) Such a cool brand
                        d) Tactical Infrared Launch Missile
                        The first one is:
                        a) Peter
                        b) When he is, he is not immediately
                        c) Moonshine
                        d) Asgard - the city where the Svyatorossians arrived from their constellation, the present Omsk
                        Etc.
                      7. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 21: 20
                        +1
                        It's easier to ask the button accordion to play and walk along the path, taking an oar (there must be a button accordion with a string) wassat Everything will become clear at once yes
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 February 2021 07: 42
                +2
                But if the hairstyle is fashionable - then you will not get out of it. "Where did you get the Akiko pictures there?" (c).
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 February 2021 07: 49
                +1
                Akiko Asano this is not a parish - this is a harsh reality laughing
              4. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 February 2021 08: 07
                +2
                We think about different Akikos.
              5. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 February 2021 09: 12
                +1
                I found only a poet in the net:
                Only half of love -
                Love without an answer -
                But doesn't she glow brighter
                Of the blinding sun
                In the high sky?
                ---
                Only 16 kilotons -
                No hydrogen -,
                But doesn't Baby shine brighter
                Of the blinding sun
                In the high sky?
              6. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 February 2021 10: 07
                +2
                The poet is good. It is not in vain that the Strugatskys quote her.
              7. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 February 2021 13: 43
                +1
                Probably - I don't understand such poetry
                Like the Japanese Tsvetaeva?
              8. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 February 2021 13: 51
                +2
                It's hard for me to compare Japanese poetry with Tsvetaeva.
                I like Tsvetaeva's poems.
              9. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 February 2021 14: 12
                +1
                Japanese poetry
                Three Ronin and Geisha
                Everything is beautiful against the background of blooming sakura
                But why are the monkeys in the hot pond
                So Reproachfully looking? fellow
              10. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 February 2021 15: 12
                +2
                This is normal. Who loves watermelon and who loves pork cartilage.

                It's nice to get into the hot spring.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 5 February 2021 14: 47
    +3
    Quote: evgen1221
    But all these dishes are more related to the wealthy townspeople and the nobility. Most of the peasants of the mob were gorging themselves for lack of time and food, as well as the high cost of firewood in Europe.


    That's it.
    The king of France, Henry of Navarre, only dreamed of the ideal when in peasant huts, at least on Sundays, chicken would be cooked in kettles. And so in the Middle Ages, 95% of the French ate their entire short life with cereals in the form of bread, stews, and cereals. However, in Russia it was hardly better with food at that time.

    But it would be nice to dream about how to tumble into a late medieval tavern with a purse stuffed with doubloons or pistols! Order yourself stewed bear paws and foie gras in nuts and wild berries, get drunk on honey and original local wines, order girls for yourself to warm your bed after a noble feast.

    However, I will assume that in those days, only very rich monasteries for the abbots, or for the highest aristocracy, and not at all in public catering, were really tasty cooked.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 5 February 2021 14: 55
    +3
    Quote: Undecim
    If, Vyacheslav Olegovich, decided to start the description of the cuisine of the Hundred Years War period from Southern France, then it was necessary to choose escabeche - meat or fish stewed in vinegar with spices.
    [/ Center]


    I don't remember exactly where I read it, but there are definitely articles that from the late Middle Ages to the Great Revolution in France, especially in Paris, fish cost 3-5 times more expensive than meat because in the absence of refrigerators, bring fish inland was very expensive. The exception is, of course, the coastal regions of France.
    The situation was different in England and in northern Germany during the Renaissance. They bought dried and salted fish (mainly cod and herring) from Holland, Denmark and especially Norway. In southern Germany and the Czech Republic, the fish issue was solved somewhat easier due to the developed culture of pond fish farming using carp imported from China (in barrels).
    So in medieval France, only people above the average income could simply fry a couple of fish in a frying pan (except in coastal areas). By the way, oil for frying was used only in southern France, and not in central or northern France.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 5 February 2021 15: 02
    +7
    Quote: Hunter 2
    It is likely that I will not even argue hi in general, the habitat of Flamingos is almost the entire globe, with the exception of both Americas. Unfortunately (or fortunately) this bird is not of gastronomic interest ... Albert urgently needs to switch to another representative of the Fauna drinks

    You're not right. In the Galapagos, I shot a flamingo.

    Only they are far from pink there
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 16: 22
      +2
      They are pink ... in Cyprus! There, not far from Larnaca, there is a lake and there their darkness is dark. There are special stands on the shore to admire them. But the highway is nearby and you can see them from it. I went to see them several times ...
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 5 February 2021 19: 29
        +1
        I understand that the author is a historian, but to understand that Larnaca and the Galapogos are "a little" not close is the same elementary, Watson!
        "The trouble is, since the pies will start the cobbler oven,
        And the boots stitch the pastry,
        And things won’t work out.
        Yes, and a hundredfold
        What who loves to take someone else’s craft.
        He forever others stubborn and foolish:
        It’s better to ruin everything,
        And glad soon
        The laughing stock of becoming light
        Than honest and knowledgeable people
        Ask or listen to advice. "(C)
        "Pike and Cat" (1813) Ya. L. Krylov
        It's just that the author of the article likes to insert epigraphs, and I couldn't resist.
    2. Alex013
      Alex013 5 February 2021 20: 23
      +2
      Probably there were not enough carotenoids in food)
  • vladcub
    vladcub 5 February 2021 15: 45
    +3
    Q. Oh, I got 2_feathers + tea for lunch, and it's gorgeous. Avacado is not for collective farmers
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 16: 21
      +3
      Quote: vladcub
      I screwed 2_feather + tea for lunch

      It depends on what pies! Others are delicious!
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 5 February 2021 18: 04
        +2
        With egg and green onions. True, in 8 cases out of 10 they are prepared by parachute. Near our office, there is a type of cafe: "bread box" and they always have fresh pastries
        1. kalibr
          5 February 2021 18: 36
          +3
          My wife bakes pies with a cheese triangle (some oriental ones), with nettles in a dry frying pan without oil ... also something Caucasian, with an egg and onions too, then with carrots, potatoes, and meat, of course.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 5 February 2021 19: 41
            +3
            My grandfather loved pies with nettles and eggs. As a child, I loved cottage cheese pies, my mother baked a lot in her youth, but she did worse than her grandmother
            1. kalibr
              5 February 2021 21: 13
              +1
              We eat cottage cheese with arugula and soy sauce, green onions, olives and leeks and ... soy sauce. Sometimes with honey and chopped bananas.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 6 February 2021 09: 45
                +2
                We didn't use soy sauce and olives. Me and most of my friends still love the dishes that came from childhood
  • vladcub
    vladcub 5 February 2021 15: 56
    +5
    Quote: ee2100
    I agree 1000%! Bigos and pilaf, mentioned by you, is just a way of cooking, and the ingredients are already "in taste and color ...."
    A lot depends on the quality of the initial products, and of the skill of the performer.

    That's right. I was once on a business trip, and the cook cooked such crap that we chewed dry bread and dreamed of the cook to put it into the cauldron
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 5 February 2021 16: 35
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    They are pink ... in Cyprus! There, not far from Larnaca, there is a lake and there their darkness is dark. There are special stands on the shore to admire them. But the highway is nearby and you can see them from it. I went to see them several times ...


    Yes. When you go from (to) Larnaca airport, you can see flamingos right from the road. But whether there are many or few of them - it depends on the season. And I took a photo on about. Isabella.

    By the way, flamingos are included in the menu of baboons and African fish eagles. Probably people are not prohibited from eating flamingos either. After all, they once ate swans in Russia. Although according to old reviews, swan meat is tender (most likely an old swan was taken)
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 February 2021 16: 46
      +3
      After all, they once ate swans in Russia.

      Year in 2009, EMNIP, two locals (apparently, "date"!) On Ladoga began to shoot a flock of swans. Several were killed. I was just ... hmm ... then I was looking for information materials on the coursework. Not for yourself. lol It was very pleasant to read your comments! With respect, Nicholai. drinks
      1. kalibr
        5 February 2021 18: 32
        +5
        In 1663, during the construction of the Penza fortress under the city on the lakes, detachments of the tsar's swan fishing were operating - they caught swans at the tsar's table! And in Sura they caught the Sursk sterlet. She was valued above the Volga!
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 February 2021 20: 44
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          And in Sura they caught the Sursk sterlet. She was valued above the Volga!

          And in Lake Pleshcheyevo near Pereslavl - vendace. yes Also to the royal table. Then, on the same lake, Tsar Peter built his amusing flotilla. In fact, Pereslavl is a magical city! good
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 5 February 2021 16: 44
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    Quote: Undecim
    Apparently a different kind, beans were grown both in ancient Rome and in ancient Greece, beans were found during excavations in Pompeii.
    These are not beans. This is Lablab purpureus - hyacinth beans or lobia.

    I still don't understand what is the difference between beans and beans other than size.
    By the way, beans have been popular in Mediterranean cuisine since ancient times. With meat scarcity, beans were an important source of protein. And in ancient Rome, gladiators were even called bean eaters.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 5 February 2021 17: 34
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    "covered with coarse salt, black first" Vyacheslav Olegovich, I did not have time to write at work, but now I am writing comments of friends
    1) read with great interest. This is an introduction. It will be great if you "room" is deeper: when in the same France did they recognize black pepper? We have always believed that black pepper, like other oriental spices, found out somewhere in the 18th century. And when did salt become well known in Europe? As a child, I watched some Czechoslovak fairy tale. There the king asked his daughters how they love him? One compared it to sweet and he was pleased, and the younger said that she loved like salt
    ... Father gave her salt and banished.
    2) if everyone cooks for 3 days, it will take a lot of time and money. What is surprising about the low life expectancy: the aristocrat cassoulet ate every three days and what is called in three throats. Everything is very appetizing, and gluttony has never contributed to longevity
    1. kalibr
      5 February 2021 18: 28
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      Quote: Astra wild2
      We have always believed that black pepper, like other oriental spices, found out somewhere in the 18th century.

      This is mistake. During the Crusades and even earlier!
    2. kalibr
      5 February 2021 18: 29
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      Quote: Astra wild2
      Everything is very appetizing, and gluttony has never contributed to longevity

      Exactly! For example, we even refused a free dessert ...
    3. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 February 2021 07: 46
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      Different versions of fairy tales: "How salt loves meat." For example, a reed hat.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 6 February 2021 08: 44
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        Corsair, I remember that it was a Czechoslovak painting
  • Undecim
    Undecim 5 February 2021 17: 38
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    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    I still don't understand what is the difference between beans and beans other than size.

    This is about the same as saying: "I still don’t understand what is the difference between apples and Antonovka, except for size."

    These are all beans.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 5 February 2021 17: 46
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    Why? Even if this is your boss, he has no right to insult you. Who is he anyway?

    You may have heard "doctor per patient" here is the answer
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  • vladcub
    vladcub 5 February 2021 19: 29
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    "Put away, time in the fridge" B .O, purely for reasons, but you do not know what refrigerators were under Jean d, Ark? They hardly knew then: "Bosch" or "Toshiba", and Orleans is not an Arctic, where a refrigerator is not needed. Of course, tell me about the glaciers, I also found such "refrigerators". Possibly Vic. Nick, Kostya or someone else from the comrades know such buildings. I have a suspicion that this dish appeared much later than the time of Jeanne
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 5 February 2021 20: 20
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      The glacier was well known in the Middle Ages. And cream with ice was used in ancient Egypt.

      English medieval glacier.
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 February 2021 07: 48
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      Most of the wooden houses in our area had a cellar and a cellar. Everything worked.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 6 February 2021 09: 32
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        I know the cellars, but the cellar is probably a glacier?
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 6 February 2021 10: 09
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          Not. First there is a cellar. And deeper - the cellar.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 6 February 2021 13: 12
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            If we had a cellar in the barn, and on top they often made a kind of low counters. Naturally, this was not done in the house.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 February 2021 13: 39
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              The structure of the house is something like that we had. From the porch - entrance to the terrace.
              Further the bridge. To the right is the entrance to the house itself (the room, the upper room were no longer used). The staircase leads to the attic. To the left is the cellar. The other day a cellar - a cellar.

              Just now I looked: "cellar" is being written in literary form. But we used the letter "n".
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 6 February 2021 17: 43
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    Soon the Russians will not have time for kossula or whatever, beans have risen in price by 170 rubles per package, and feed for poultry has grown by 70%, so from all the historical heritage, a herring battle is suitable for us, the herring is still holding :) well, if it will rise in price, then the story about Jacqueria will be more relevant ...
    1. kalibr
      6 February 2021 18: 29
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      Quote: ElTuristo
      then the story about Jacqueria will be more relevant ...

      And about Wat Tyler's rebellion. "When Adam was plowing and Eve was spinning, who was the master?"
      1. Elturisto
        Elturisto 6 February 2021 19: 01
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        It’s somehow not good with the Lord Chancellor and the Lord Treasurer, it turned out in London ... you rock the boat ... well, well ...
  • Konstantin Balakhonov
    Konstantin Balakhonov 6 February 2021 20: 34
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    I would like to know where the French have multiplied refrigerators during the centenary war, and there are many different cookbooks, but what do they have to do with military history?
    1. kalibr
      6 February 2021 21: 45
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      Quote: Konstantin Balakhonov
      I would like to know where the French have multiplied refrigerators during the centenary war, and there are many different cookbooks, but what do they have to do with military history?

      Let the authors of 412 comments answer you ...
  • Mustachioed Georgian
    Mustachioed Georgian 7 February 2021 03: 05
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    Probably all this is delicious, but it has little to do with the topic of VO. It is unlikely that such dishes were prepared by the troops of that time. Well, maybe only in the commander's kitchen.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 7 February 2021 10: 34
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich, well, you can't mock people like that! After reading, I felt like I wanted to go to Restoran laughing ... Yes, screw the bigus and under the vodka.
    Article huge respect!
  • IvaNik
    IvaNik 8 February 2021 00: 33
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    Hello. The main methods of cooking in the Russian oven are languishing, baking and steaming. At the same time, having heated the stove in the morning, the hostess collected all the ingredients in pots, put them in the stove and went to work in the field / garden or around the house. And for lunch there were cabbage soup and porridge, stew (if any), turnip pumpkin or fermented baked milk and much more.
    And in Spain you were deceived, this is not an English breakfast, but rather lunch or dinner. Bacon, sausages, beans, blood sausage and liver sausage (called pudding) are traditionally served there for breakfast.
  • victor50
    victor50 19 February 2021 21: 55
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    It's time to go to Instagram. The face only remains to be opened! laughing