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Modernization failed: Russian anti-ship missiles "Uran" dismantled from Vietnamese corvettes

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Vietnamese military officials hoped to seriously increase striking power fleet, equipping the former coastal corvettes with anti-ship weapons. However, this idea did not pay off.


Since 1984, South Korea has been operating Pohang-class coastal defense ships with a total displacement of 1220 tons. They are gradually written off and disposed of or transferred to other countries at no cost. In 2015 and 2017, Vietnam thus acquired two corvettes of the Flight III modification, designated No. 18 and No. 20.

The navy decided to dramatically increase the combat power of these pennants by equipping them with Russian Uran-E anti-ship missiles. However, judging by the pictures taken in January, after almost a year of tests, the launchers of these anti-ship missiles were dismantled from corvette 20. A similar junction is expected to await # 18.

The fact is that the ships transferred to Vietnam were not originally carriers of anti-ship missiles, however, despite this, the country's Navy carried out modernization, replacing the torpedo tubes with missile launchers.

In any case, the ship would need an appropriate Russian fire control system and a radar guidance station. Pohang was probably too difficult to modify for these systems

- indicated on the VietDefense portal, summarizing the failed modernization and removal of the Uranium anti-ship missile system.

At the same time, apparently, they have no complaints about the missiles in Vietnam. In 2020, the production of the Uran-E anti-ship missile system under the designation VCM 01 began at local facilities.

In connection with the indicated failure, one can recall the ideas of many "experts" from a neighboring country to install anti-ship complexes on boats of Western origin.

Modernization failed: Russian anti-ship missiles "Uran" dismantled from Vietnamese corvettes

View of corvette No. 18 with Uran-E launcher. Source: BaoDatViet.



View of corvette # 20 after dismantling the Uran-E launcher. Source: VietDefense.
Photos used:
QPVN TV channel, VietDefense
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  1. BDRM 667
    BDRM 667 29 January 2021 04: 30
    +7
    In connection with the indicated failure, one can recall the ideas of many "experts" from a neighboring country to install anti-ship complexes on boats of Western origin.


    There are, yes - in bulk, even among those commenting here on VO, such fool messages from country U ...

    Just a little more, and they will overcome the Black Sea Fleet and enter the Crimea yes .
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 January 2021 04: 46
      +10
      Quote: BDRM 667
      and will enter Crimea

      The Germans also entered Moscow ... A column of prisoners of war! fool
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 29 January 2021 04: 51
        +19
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The Germans also entered Moscow ... A column of prisoners of war!

        So dill in Donetsk, they wanted to be, and have visited yes

        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 29 January 2021 05: 02
          +10
          This video needs to be shown on TV around the clock on the outskirts!
          1. BDRM 667
            BDRM 667 29 January 2021 05: 06
            +8
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            This video needs to be shown on TV around the clock on the outskirts!

            Until the militia was stopped by a decision from Moscow, they filmed plenty of such videos.

            Prisoners from the Nazi battalion "Donbass" destroyed near Ilovaisk


            Or, here is the "rotation" of "cyborgs" (suicide bombers) under the control of the militia at the Donetsk airport.

            Such a humiliation akin to a march of prisoners ...
            1. Rufat
              Rufat 29 January 2021 15: 07
              +4
              Shame. How can the Slavs turn into Natsiks?
      2. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 29 January 2021 20: 33
        +1
        The old ships could well have been used to test missiles, as we tested the Bulava.
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 31 January 2021 09: 14
        -2
        The Germans also entered Moscow ... A column of prisoners of war!
        And the paddling pools burned her nafik !? What is the essence of this indicator: where, when and probably who entered it and at what time ...! ??
        1. Every
          Every 31 January 2021 20: 59
          +1
          Arsons were constantly staged either by the Muscovites themselves or by sent Cossacks. And they did it long before Napoleon left. The goal was to demoralize the French and deprive them of trophies, food, etc.
          How do you think - why did Napoleon leave Moscow, in winter in the cold, from warm houses to the fields?
          He realized that a little more and his army would finally turn into a rabble, so he decided to give a fight, while at least something could still be saved.
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 29 January 2021 06: 44
      +12
      it's like buying sniper rifles, but not buying optical sights or, in general, like Krylov's "monkey and glasses"

      The monkey is weak with old eyes;
      And at people she heard,
      That this evil is not yet so big a hand:
      Only it is necessary to get Glasses.
      She took out the half-dozen glasses with herself;
      Twirls Points and syak:
      Then to temyu they will be pressed, then they will be pinched on the tail,
      Then they sniff them, then water them;
      Points do not work in any way.
      “Ugh abyss! - she says, - and the one
      Who listens to all the people of the vrat:
      All about points only I lied;
      And there is no use for hair in them. "
      The monkey here with vexation and with sadness
      About the stone so they were enough,
      That only the splashes sparkled.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 29 January 2021 09: 22
        +8
        To shoot Uranus missiles at the ship, one KAMAZ is enough.
        Pre-target designation from an optical station on the mast of the same KAMAZ. Further, the seeker of the rocket itself will work. To see the entire situation within the reach of Uranus and further, a radar is needed. And this is just another KAMAZ with Monolith-B. The problem for the corvette does not look unsolvable. It's just that the Vietnamese are not such stupid villagers to cram it into decommissioned trash. They made an experiment, and they will put on new ships.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 42
          +6
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          To shoot Uranus missiles at the ship, one KAMAZ is enough.

          Pre-target designation from an optical station on the mast of the same KAMAZ.


          in general, the ha35 rocket flies 260 km. And you think that the optical station sees at 260 km?
          No, don't be confused, there are other means of detection and guidance.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 29 January 2021 10: 06
            0
            Quote: Bar1
            do you think that the optical station sees at 260 km?
            No, don't be confused, there are other means of detection and guidance.

            For people like you, I specially attached a picture: KAMAZ with Uraniums and an optical station. Sorry, there was no comic book. Teach the Kaluga instrument-making plant "Typhoon" not to get confused, and not to put an optical station when there is their own BK Monolit-B. Maybe they won't ask for a school certificate.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 29 January 2021 10: 09
              +2
              why should the Typhoon plant "not set up a station? That would not be visible to suck, like the Vietnamese?"
        2. Elturisto
          Elturisto 30 January 2021 16: 23
          0
          Don't push this bullshit here, go teach you better lessons ...
        3. Intruder
          Intruder 31 January 2021 09: 17
          -1
          Rather, you are right, they had a check, how the complex showed itself, we still do not know, the results of modernization (the advantages and problems found in this to everyone), we can see the maximum from their purchases, or already on the ships of their Navy ... repeat
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 30 January 2021 00: 18
      +1
      Well, not everyone on this site understands the full depth of depths and latitudes, but nevertheless they scribble articles, claiming to be deeply analyzed)))
    4. Elturisto
      Elturisto 30 January 2021 16: 21
      0
      What an operative you are. Throwing away the half-eaten matzo, he immediately rushed to shit, after a new topic appeared ...
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 January 2021 05: 07
    +6
    Let them still buy corvettes from us, and do not toil with nonsense! fool fool
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      29 January 2021 05: 20
      +3
      we have such ships called MRK, they already took them.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 29 January 2021 05: 28
        +3
        Eugene-Eugene hi I'm talking about "Guipards" actually! Here, let them buy another 4-5 of these corvettes, and toss about nonsense, remaking Korean pelvis almost into destroyers!
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 29 January 2021 12: 04
          +2
          In fact, Uranus was originally earned including for the "upgrade" of old ships ... True, old ships with missile weapons. The same Gadflies and Lightning.
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 29 January 2021 05: 21
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Let them still buy corvettes from us, and do not toil with nonsense!

      They were wise, wanting to save money, but:

      "For every sage, quite simplicity"
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 January 2021 06: 37
    +6
    ships transferred to Vietnam were not originally carriers of anti-ship missiles
    They tried to shove in something that wasn't crammed into, but ... Well, the attempt is not torture. The next time they purchase something, they will calculate in advance their capabilities and the capabilities of the acquired.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 29 January 2021 07: 25
      +7
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They tried to shove in something that wasn't crammed into, but ... Well, the attempt is not torture. The next time they purchase something, they will calculate in advance their capabilities and the capabilities of the acquired

      It is important how they tried to put it all together. I guess we didn’t manage to tie the guidance station to the ship's systems. It happens. The rocket gunboat failed ...
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 30 January 2021 05: 44
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The next time they purchase something, they will calculate in advance their capabilities and the capabilities of the acquired.

      So, according to the article, the Koreans gave them these ships for free ...
      Since 1984, South Korea has been operating Pohang-class coastal defense ships with a total displacement of 1220 tons. Gradually they written off and disposed of or transferred to other countries free of charge. In 2015 and 2017, Vietnam thus acquired two Flight III corvettes., which received the designation No. 18 and No. 20.

      Negative experience may later come in handy in the construction of patrol ships of our own design or the modernization of corvettes transferred by the Empireists to the SRV as part of military assistance ...
      The modernization of the SRV Navy, the emergence of a submarine fleet (with the help of the Russians) and the production of Russian-made anti-ship missiles are apparently directed against the ambitious plans of the PRC in the APR ...
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 January 2021 06: 57
    +1
    A hedgehog-rhino hybrid didn't seem viable. "You wouldn't be chasing ... cheapness."
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 January 2021 08: 15
      +5
      "You can't harness a horse and a quivering doe in one cart!" (This is when our ancestors warned!) And also .....
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 29 January 2021 21: 03
        +2
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        You cannot harness a horse and a quivering doe in one cart.

        hi
        How do you like butter oil? wink
  5. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 29 January 2021 07: 16
    +1
    The Vietnamese military officials hoped to seriously increase the striking power of the fleet by equipping the former coastal corvettes with anti-ship weapons. However, this idea did not pay off.

    "To be a musician, you need skill ..." (c)
  6. Avior
    Avior 29 January 2021 08: 23
    +5
    ... The Vietnamese installed their own versions of the Russian anti-ship complex 3K24E Uran-E on the Pohang-type corvette (formerly RSS 2018 Yeosu) received at the end of 765 as military aid from the South Korean Navy. ...... Vietnam has become the second country in the Asia-Pacific region to start developing its own missile based on the Russian 3M24 Uranus .... The Vietnamese version is designated KCT 15 and is the result of technology transfer from Russia.


    It is not clear why they removed it.
    Perhaps because of the placement of missiles, the stability of the corvettes has deteriorated - they stand high.
    Problems with the control station and radar were unlikely to be homing missiles.
    1. Forcecom
      Forcecom 29 January 2021 08: 41
      +7
      Yes, it is very strange and it seems like the boards did not have a tonic margin on the upper deck. Dad, being the military representative since the 90s, worked on "Uranians", this is originally a mobilization complex of strike weapons converted from an air-based anti-ship missile system and intended for installation on mobilized civilian ships, it was only then that they began to shove him into everything they could, there is a rather compact firing complex that can be shoved anywhere.
      Although they could remove part of the AU, to increase the impact potential.
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 January 2021 08: 58
        +1
        Judging by the photo, ay left
        1. Forcecom
          Forcecom 29 January 2021 09: 07
          +2
          I meant "could take off" if the tone was not enough.
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 January 2021 09: 21
            +2
            It's hard to say what was the main thing for their functions and what was secondary
            If the missiles are "just in case", then it is logical to remove them
            Or maybe there was another reason
            1. Forcecom
              Forcecom 29 January 2021 09: 26
              +1
              Do they want a URO? let them not toil with foolishness, but buy another 3-4 "Cheetah" from us :)
    2. Elturisto
      Elturisto 30 January 2021 16: 29
      0
      This is not clear to you. Normal people just understand. The ship does not have a radar for detecting surface and air targets and even a navigation one. There is a truth radar for controlling weapons of the Steer type, and even that is apparently not working. In short, it is impossible to shoot because no one knows where :) It's just that the old South Korean ones were transferred to Vietnam galoshes that can tip over if two sailors release gases at the same time ... Thrifty gooks decided to make a superlinkor Yamato out of an old pelvis, - the result is obvious ...
  7. Glory1974
    Glory1974 29 January 2021 08: 34
    +3
    In any case, the ship would need an appropriate Russian fire control system and a radar guidance station. Pohang was probably too difficult to modify for these systems

    Obviously, before posing they thought over the question of how to aim and shoot. So that's not the point.
    1. Guru
      Guru 29 January 2021 09: 02
      +2
      Obviously, before posing they thought over the question of how to aim and shoot. So that's not the point.
      I hope they will tell our specialists what problems they encountered, share, so to speak, "Sad experience"
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 January 2021 09: 03
      +4
      The number of missile ships in service with the Vietnamese Navy is currently small, therefore, it is considered to increase their number after evaluating the operation of the upgraded Pohang-class corvettes.

      The most logical is to equip the Uran-E anti-ship missiles of the existing 400-ton patrol ships of Project 10412 Svetlyak, since this is the easiest option for deploying new missiles. In Russia, a configuration of anti-ship missiles (project 10411) has been designed for it. It is enough to install the Harpoon-Ball targeting radar on the mast, and the space at the stern of the ship is completely suitable for the KT-184 launcher.

      Apart from the Firefly, a patrol ship of the TT400TR class is suitable for the above type of modernization, since the design of ships of these two classes is quite similar.
      1. Angry
        Angry 29 January 2021 20: 15
        +2
        So they are already building, under our license, 10 missile boats of the project 12418 with 16 Uran-2 anti-ship missiles on each. Two of them have been in service for several years already. And maybe more. Therefore, these former Korean PLO corvettes, probably, do not really need them as strike ships of the fleet. Have tried and failed. It happens. It is better to use them for their intended purpose - PLO. A pair of RK with 32 Uranians is already a formidable force ... and when there will be 10 of them! Enemies are not to be envied. True, the air defense is nowhere good ... If only the ZRAK "Broadsword" was installed, because on their Cheetahs this air defense system MD stands. They say they are happy with her.
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 30 January 2021 16: 31
          0
          You also forgot to mention that the corvettes have Ukrainian turbines :)
          1. Angry
            Angry 30 January 2021 18: 50
            +1
            Well, I just want to answer "So what?" They build boats in Vietnam, and they themselves buy directly in Ukraine everything they need. In particular, the Ukrainians sold them power plants for 4 Cheetahs without any problems. Didn't understand what you wanted to say with your post?
            1. Elturisto
              Elturisto 30 January 2021 19: 16
              0
              Here, many 3-kopeck agitators are drowning against Ukraine :)
              1. Angry
                Angry 30 January 2021 21: 40
                +1
                I don’t know, maybe Russian is not your native language, your hints, which seem offensive to someone, will not allow you to fully understand ... What is "drowning"? What language is it from? What does this ALL have to do with Vietnam's BOC Modernization?
  8. ccsr
    ccsr 29 January 2021 13: 33
    +1
    The navy decided to dramatically increase the combat power of these pennants by equipping them with Russian Uran-E anti-ship missiles. However, judging by the pictures taken in January, after almost a year of tests, the launchers of these anti-ship missiles were dismantled from corvette 20. A similar junction is expected to await # 18.

    From the above text, one can understand what a poor level of military developers in Vietnam, if they did not even make calculations and did not consult with our specialists, they decided to radically change the combat power of the ship with the help of our complex. In Soviet times, at least such an agreement was required at the official level with the participation of developers, but it seems that now no one is seriously concerned about this. Our reaction is not entirely clear - did we agree to this or not? After all, these "craftsmen" and our reputation can tarnish, and so that then you will not wash off ...
  9. pytar
    pytar 29 January 2021 13: 37
    0
    In connection with the indicated failure, one can recall the ideas of many "experts" from a neighboring country to install anti-ship complexes on boats of Western origin.

    Apparently the entire article was published to "reach" this passage ... lol
  10. yehat2
    yehat2 29 January 2021 14: 44
    +1
    It is high time to develop modularity of ship designs
    while it exists only sporadically - for example, vertical launchers, a Soviet tower with a 30mm cannon
    but the filling of the ship itself is assembled the old fashioned way. You need to think about drastically simplifying installation during modernization. A good example is the replacement of engines and guns in tanks. There, this process is laid down even during design.
  11. Rufat
    Rufat 29 January 2021 15: 05
    -2
    They just can't use Russian technology
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 29 January 2021 15: 52
    +2
    This is perhaps one of the most difficult tasks, to shove systems into a ship, where they were not originally designed. Hindus are famous for such things, there from the basic design of the ship, sometimes only the engine and propellers remain intact
  13. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 January 2021 16: 57
    +2
    The coastal corvette is something new.

    In any case, the ship would need an appropriate Russian fire control system and a radar guidance station.
    LMS is needed in any case, but the guidance system for Uranus is not relevant.
  14. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 30 January 2021 18: 57
    +2
    What is the essence of the problem? ..
    As far as I understand, the customer has no questions about the rakets.
    Installation of p / y instead of t / a is quite logical.
    What went wrong? I would like to understand.
    What are coastal corvettes? How do they differ from non-coastal ones?
  15. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 31 January 2021 04: 21
    +1
    First we do it, then we start thinking !!! They have such a feature, I know from my experience.
  16. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 1 February 2021 20: 45
    0
    The Vietnamese military officials hoped to seriously increase the striking power of the fleet by equipping the former coastal corvettes with anti-ship weapons.

    Coastal corvette - just hurts your ears. This is the first time I meet with such an abbreviation of the term "coastal defense". Yes, and such a term is not very successful in relation to a warship - it will not be at anchor, but it will be at war, always near the coast. Isn't the term "near sea zone ship" more apt?