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Children need to be educated, and not spit on their fate

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How tired I am of TV and radio, and the Internet. And not because they exist. And, willy-nilly, I have to listen to what they say there. On the contrary, I see the media and the Internet, including social media, as one of the ways to communicate with the world. To understand what is hidden in the heads of friends and enemies.


On the eve of the next announced performances on the Old Square, which almost all social networks are shouting about, I think it would be appropriate to talk about ... our children. Not about those someone's, some other dads and mothers, grandparents, but about ours. About those we are talking about:

"I have a smart child, brought up by me and understands well when they try to use him."

Those other people's children, in relation to whom I hear calls to punish, to send to special schools, to deprive of some rights, etc., are of little interest to me ...

True, it seems to me that if I suddenly see my son or grandson in a crowd of “protesters in general” or who are being hit on the back with a riot police baton in a fight, then my opinion will change dramatically. This is indeed my child, which means he can not be a criminal.

Is it legal to be tough with children


I followed closely how the authorities would react to the January 23 riots.

At the same time, I looked closely at how the opposing side reacted to the results of the rallies. Although, to be honest, I have not seen rallies anywhere. It is clear that nothing serious could have happened in the outback simply because of the small number of protesters, although Vladivostok surprised me. But in Moscow and St. Petersburg ...

Maybe I'm a mossy conservative who did not see modern trends, but, in my opinion, a rally is when not only go and yell some stupid things to infuriate law enforcement officers, but act, express their point of view on this or that event, call for some action.

I perceive a meeting or some kind of procession as an ordinary public event. The only difference is what the protesters express. There is a religious procession - here is the procession of believers. Public event. Fans of "Spartak" or "Dynamo" came out to celebrate the victory of their team near the stadium. Isn't it a rally? Moreover, unauthorized. But understandable to any passer-by.

What I saw almost a week ago was a clear provocation, when the audience tried to use technologies already tested in Ukraine and Belarus. To provoke the police and other special services into harsh actions like those demonstrated by the police in France, Germany, the Netherlands, the USA ...

Our police have worked well. Without blood and without sacred sacrifices. But at the same time, a fairly large number of law enforcement officers were injured and mutilated. The property of power structures was damaged. How to deal with this? Why did this happen? Why does the crowd calmly go to clashes with the police?

It seems to me that the reason is that the actions of our police and other security officials are rather strongly regulated by law. You probably remember the episode when "peaceful citizens" beat a traffic police officer, and his friend, instead of using weapon, ran to calm them down. How many times did you discuss this situation later? It was necessary that, it was necessary ... He was armed! ..

So what? The very first shot in the direction of the attackers, even if it did not hit, would mean at least a hassle about the use of weapons, and, as a maximum, time. And everything is according to the law. So the policeman will not use weapons the way they show in Russian militants every day. Well, this is a rare case. And what about the "democratizer"?

A crowd goes to the chain of law enforcement officers. Obviously to fight. It is clear that clubs are used here. But tell me, how to distinguish an adult, twenty-year-old fighter, from an almost two-meter 16-year-old teenager accelerator in this whistle? But try to hit him with a club. What will the media howl? How many human rights defenders will broadcast on TV about police arbitrariness? How long will prosecutors and investigators check the legality of this strike?

It seems to me that it is necessary to clearly indicate in the law that participation in mass demonstrations of youngsters, under 14 or 16 years old, is punishable by a serious fine for the parents of the child. And if this child participates in fights and other clashes with the police and (or) when the law enforcement officer receives any injuries and mutilations from the actions of this child, the norm should be legalized that criminal liability for this begins from the age of 14 (16). So that the policeman is not afraid to be a policeman.

This time, the police managed to keep the situation under control without using harsh measures. But, we saw that militants and fascists had already appeared in the ranks of the protesters. And it was obvious even not to specialists. Where is the guarantee that next time these same militants will act in the same way, without using weapons? Where is the guarantee that there will be no corpses? We remember the first corpse on the Maidan. We remember where and how he appeared.

You must answer for words and lies


It was very interesting for me to observe the opinion of readers on the Internet. Close the internet! Create a local network only for Russians! Block ... Force ... Shield children from Western influence ... And the like. Doesn't it resemble the Great Wall of China? Or "Yatsenyuk's wall"?

Do we confess that our children are no longer ours? That some blogger is more important to them than their father or mother? Are we signing our own powerlessness? But these are our children! We educate them in our own image. We put a particle of ourselves in them.

Once upon a time, in the days of Ona, when there were no computers and other means of communication, and the TV showed a couple of channels, we were brought up in school and on the street just like today. Parents, as now, worked. Probably, there was no boy who at least once in his life did not commit something that could qualify as a misdemeanor. The street is so ...

But the street had one very important educational function. The street taught us to be responsible for our words. It was impossible to hide behind some abstract nickname, it was impossible to use spyware, which supposedly could not be traced. We just spoke on our own, or referred to whoever said it. And if someone was lying, the street's response was brutal.

With the advent of the Internet, information began to spread anonymously. The blogger said ... Moreover, the information became false in essence. Today, the majority of Internet users use a fake Wiki instead of encyclopedias. Don't we need correct knowledge? We require knowledge of the majority. If everyone thinks so, then this is the truth.

And that's when we lost our children.

The factor of responsibility for their words disappeared. But the opinion of the majority appeared, the whole world is with us and the like. A society of people without a face! A society where you can say everything and you won't get anything for it. It is not Vasya or Dasha Pupkin speaking, but the Crazy Chair and Wooden Malvina.

Remember the many messages in the same TikTok about the atrocities of riot police, about the order to use weapons against protesters, about the many killed and so on? But these messages were immediately multiplied by numerous reposts and collected tens of thousands of likes in a short time. What is the answer? In response - a post about the fact that this is a lie, which was watched by a thousand people.

It is clear that among the many participants in the "children's" social networks there are adult professionals. And that these professionals themselves work "for children" or use real children for this purpose. But those who repost are real children. I recently reread the comments under one of my articles. And you know, I saw exactly the same technologies that are used for children.

If we discard the arguments about the economy, corruption, lagging behind the West and so on, then in the "bottom line" you will see a very simple, primitive:

“We, free, educated and successful people who do not steal, do not fight, are not in power, not journalists or propagandists, are against Putin. And all those who are for him are putinoids, uneducated cattle and genetic slaves. "

And all the rest of the "dregs" are wound on this primitive thesis.

But back to our children. What should be done? The answer is obvious.

Impunity breeds new misconduct and even crime. The fact that the government, including in Russia, controls the Internet, we saw in the examples that are shown on TV screens. How many bloggers have already been found ... So technically this is not a problem.

We need to start with bloggers. The desire for big money has generated a fairly large layer of people who work professionally as bloggers. They have an audience of hundreds of thousands and even millions of people. And at the same time, unlike the journalists of the official media, they are not limited by any laws.

I think that blogging, after the number of subscribers reaches some serious number (10 or 100 thousand), should automatically obey the same laws as the media. With all the ensuing limitations and responsibilities. You have to answer for words, including with a ruble or freedom.

You also need to work with children who repost explicit stuffing. Are there officers in the police who work with this particular category? So let them work.

Indeed, for most of them, a simple conversation is enough in order to no longer repeat mistakes. Just a call to the children's room of the police and a reasoned conversation with the child and his parents. Such a social media user is no less dangerous than the bully who smashed the glass at the school with a soccer ball.

There are no lost generations


Very often I hear the opinion that because of our experiments in the field of upbringing and education, we have lost a whole generation. Such reasoning in the style of "heroes are not you." I wonder who is serving in Syria now? Working in business? Who is doing the same Internet? Aren't they representatives of this most allegedly “lost generation”?

Conversations about "losses" are nothing more than another version of the thesis "about free and slaves" already mentioned by me above. And those who have just been drafted into the army and serve now are representatives of what generation? For some reason, we do not recognize these people as the representatives of their generation? For us, are representatives piled high, parasites, liberal whiners?

A generation, like a people, consists of specific people. All abstract and meaningless terms such as generation, man, people and the like do not oblige us to anything. The whole world is against ... And I'm for. It turns out that I do not enter this whole world? Or am I not a people if I do not support the ideas of “the whole people”?

Our children are an extension of us. They are just proof of our immortality. They cannot be lost. They may be slightly different. Like classic works of art. History Romeo and Juliet, repeated hundreds of thousands of times by other authors who simply inserted characters into a more modern interior.

Therefore, children must be brought up, and not give a damn about their future fate.

To educate not only with loving stroking on the head, but also (at least sometimes) with reasonable punishments for misconduct. Denying something is easy. How long have bad habits been banned? But the prohibition will be in effect only when the child himself begins to understand and accept it.

That is, you should help the child understand why this should not be done. This is the educational work of parents.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 31 January 2021 15: 05
    -22%
    OnizheKids ....... belay
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 13
      +20
      Children need to be educated, and not spit on their fate
      the state reacts "positively" ... in the sense of putting it. powerless teachers are blamed for everything. the last example of how a teacher was made a "catalyst" - if you please: my wife received a message on the GADget: warn the children (they are children) in a group in college, or is that right? at the kulledge? yes boh judge .... so as not to go to rallies for anal ... so what? questions rained down, and when ... and where ... Are you seriously blockheads? everything would have been quiet, but no ... they threw in gasoline ... the wife, of course, played the "misunderstanding" as best she could, and smoothed corners, but the flurry of calls shook me. did not know ... found out ... what is it, with a specialist?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 31 January 2021 17: 16
        +33
        I personally have never seen any calls to schoolchildren to hold a meeting on the 23rd. But there are more than enough screams and articles about Navalny (or who else?) Dragging schoolchildren to the rally! They even called from the school. Obviously, someone (in the bunker) struhul is not childish at all!

        And what is typical, when the authorities themselves need our children for the same rallies, but in support of EdRa, she hypocritically uses this.

        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 18: 19
          +24
          Quote: Stas157
          And what is typical, when the authorities themselves need our children for the same rallies, but in support of EdRa, she hypocritically uses this.

          And these are the right children, look at their spiritualized faces.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 31 January 2021 18: 45
            +5
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Stas157
            And what is typical, when the authorities themselves need our children for the same rallies, but in support of EdRa, she hypocritically uses this.

            And these are the right children, look at their spiritualized faces.

            But really, either gopota or from the "green school".
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 18: 49
              +17
              Quote: lis-ik
              But really, either gopota or from the "green school".

              Most importantly, the scarf was given for free and a hat. And the banners will come in handy later.
              1. Aag
                Aag 31 January 2021 19: 17
                +7
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: lis-ik
                But really, either gopota or from the "green school".

                Most importantly, the scarf was given for free and a hat. And the banners will come in handy later.

                Well, in fairness, these "kids" were not thrown here by parachutes, and they did not cross the border with tied hooves ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 19: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: AAG
                  Well, in fairness, these "kids" were not thrown here by parachutes, and they did not cross the border with tied hooves ...

                  By itself. Let's remember ourselves. I don’t know about you, but we, so as not to drag the portraits of the Brezhnev-Andropovs back to school, just threw them into the bushes. And the banners too, to be honest to the end.
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 31 January 2021 19: 29
                    +13
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: AAG
                    Well, in fairness, these "kids" were not thrown here by parachutes, and they did not cross the border with tied hooves ...

                    By itself. Let's remember ourselves. I don’t know about you, but we, so as not to drag the portraits of the Brezhnev-Andropovs back to school, just threw them into the bushes. And the banners too, to be honest to the end.

                    Let's...
                    To be honest, we (Riga) did not have such a thing! Jokes on this topic, quite good-natured, - they jumped. - When Andropov was already under the shoulder straps ...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 19: 37
                      0
                      Quote: AAG
                      To be honest, we did not have this (Riga)

                      And we had. Tula region, Novomoskovsk.
                      1. Aag
                        Aag 31 January 2021 20: 07
                        +7
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: AAG
                        To be honest, we did not have this (Riga)

                        And we had. Tula region, Novomoskovsk.

                        hi I do not argue, it was different everywhere ... So the general picture, probably, is taking shape ...
                        Another alarming thing is that "stagnation" was more fun, joyful, promising to live than with the current "stability". (((
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 20: 13
                        0
                        Quote: AAG
                        Another alarming thing is that "stagnation" was more fun, joyful, promising to live than with the current "stability". (((

                        In fact of the matter. The future is like a hedgehog in a fog.
                      3. Aag
                        Aag 31 January 2021 20: 29
                        +4
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: AAG
                        Another alarming thing is that "stagnation" was more fun, joyful, promising to live than with the current "stability". (((

                        In fact of the matter. The future is like a hedgehog in a fog.

                        Somehow sadly we get it ...
                        People who are older and wiser understand that everything is very ambiguous. terry unprofessionalism ...)
                        I'm at a loss, to put it mildly. hi
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 20: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: AAG
                        I'm at a loss, to put it mildly.

                        Yes, I constantly write: Let's seek a compromise. No, damn it, they rested like rams. Most sad. The devil knows where we will roll.
                      5. Aag
                        Aag 31 January 2021 21: 05
                        +3
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: AAG
                        I'm at a loss, to put it mildly.

                        Yes, I constantly write: Let's seek a compromise. No, damn it, they rested like rams. Most sad. The devil knows where we will roll.

                        Similarly ...
                        Look at the people around, - for any reason they are ready to gnaw each other, without looking for the true culprits.
              2. BAI
                BAI 31 January 2021 20: 24
                +5
                And we had a car at the end of the column, where everything immediately folded after passing the route. Or this car was already waiting at the end point and there was no need to carry anything anywhere.
              3. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 20: 27
                -2
                Quote: BAI
                we had a car at the end of the column, where everything immediately folded after passing the route. Or this car was already waiting at the end point.

                Was. But not always.
              4. New Year day
                New Year day 31 January 2021 20: 41
                +5
                Quote: BAI
                And we had a car at the end of the column,

                And so it was with us. Vlom was wearing portraits of members of the CPSU Central Committee.
              5. Revolver
                Revolver 1 February 2021 03: 57
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: BAI
                And we had a car at the end of the column,

                And so it was with us. Vlom was wearing portraits of members of the CPSU Central Committee.

                There were more people willing to carry than portraits, because just for participating in the May Day demonstration they were given 2 days off, and for carrying a not very heavy portrait as much as 3. To get 3 days off for a couple of hours of work - you have to be bad to miss this opportunity! And yes, at the end point there was a car waiting for these portraits in bulk. And then I worked in Glavleningradinzhstroy.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 31 January 2021 19: 32
        +13
        It is very significant that in "patriotic" clothes only "southerners" are sporting.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 1 February 2021 08: 01
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    And these are the right children, look at their spiritualized faces.

    Children can have whatever faces they want, the main thing is not beaten or smeared with ketchup. Do you think you looked differently at the same age at the May Day demonstrations under Soviet rule? laughing
  • Achilles
    Achilles 31 January 2021 18: 41
    -20%
    Quote: Stas157
    And what is typical, when the authorities themselves need our children for the same rallies, but in support of EdRa, she hypocritically uses this.

    You don’t compare to a gooseneck, the rally for the Anal is not legal, but the one for EdRa was within the law, do you feel the difference or not?
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 31 January 2021 18: 59
      +20
      Quote: Achilles
      The rally for Anal is not legal, but the one for EdRa was within the law, do you feel the difference or not?

      And, it means that children can still attend rallies, if they are allowed ?? But, there is no big difficulty.
      Any rally against the government is illegal, and in support of the government and EdRa - always welcome!

      The problem is what is legal and what is not, is decided not at all by the law, but by the power itself, which has put itself above the law.

      As a result, we have what we have - the violated law and the Constitution, and a hypocritical government.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 31 January 2021 20: 03
        +12
        The paradox is that it is precisely with the help of such "illegal" meetings that people are fighting for the law to be respected. After all, it is no longer possible to fight for compliance with laws by legal means.
      2. Achilles
        Achilles 1 February 2021 08: 53
        -11%
        Quote: Stas157
        And, it means that children can still attend rallies, if they are allowed ?? But, there is no big difficulty.
        Any rally against the government is illegal, and in support of the government and EdRa - always welcome!

        Do you at least understand that it is not a sanctions rally that is not the law? Or is the law an empty place for you? To make a sanction rally, you need to submit appropriate applications, the navalnata did not even try, and who would not allow them in the first place because now there is a pandemic or have they also forgotten? Any sanctioned meeting with children is allowed only with the accompaniment of parents. Do you even understand the meaning of the words not sanctions and sanctions rally? If a rally is not sanctioned, people are dispersed, and during dispersal, children will be the first to suffer. Have you at least once tried to register rallies yourself? I think not, this explains your lack of literacy in this matter.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 February 2021 11: 29
          +5
          Quote: Achilles
          to submit the relevant applications, the bulk did not even try

          Tried and served. The result is expected:

          Quote: Achilles
          and no one would allow them

          People, outraged by the lack of rights, simply had no options. The authorities deprived them of their constitutional right even to a meeting.
          1. Achilles
            Achilles 1 February 2021 16: 04
            -2
            Quote: Stas157
            Tried and served. The result is expected:

            Is that what they say, and you believe them? It's not a secret for anyone why non-sanctions rallies are being held, can I explain to you? The navalnyats can say anything, but they have one goal to serve the West and the West needed cruel pictures of this rally and there was no reason to agree, is that even clear to you?
            Quote: Stas157
            People, outraged by the lack of rights, simply had no options. The authorities deprived them of their constitutional right even to a meeting.

            Now there is a pandemic and no one will allow any rallies to be held, this is in the first place. Secondly, we (in Russia) have the easiest procedure for registering rallies, anyone can register, unless, of course, at the rally they will not call for the overthrow of the government. this is a violation of the law. If you want to raise pensions, salary, lower gasoline prices, etc. No one can prevent you from registering. Any rally can be made legal (except for calls for the overthrow of the government), but now, I repeat the pandemic again and there is a restriction.
            And most importantly, very few people came to these rallies, and when you say that the people are tired, I can only say one thing, you are not all the people of the Russian Federation, do you even understand?
        2. aglet
          aglet 2 February 2021 11: 28
          -1
          "Do you at least understand that it is not a sanctions rally in not the law. If there is no sanctions rally. This explains your lack of literacy in this matter."
          but your "literacy" fountains, in all directions
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 1 February 2021 10: 49
        -1
        Quote: Stas157
        And, it means that children can still attend rallies, if they are allowed ??

        Of course, because no one will disperse them, provoke them, on the contrary, they will be provided with safe routes, medical assistance, services, etc. which means NO danger to children

        Got it, no?
        Quote: Stas157
        Any rally against the government is illegal, and in support of the government and EdRa - always welcome!

        Low-grade stupid lies-rallies PERMITTED against the government-was MASSA-Bolotnaya, Sakharova, etc.
        Quote: Stas157
        The problem is what is legal and what is not, is decided not at all by the law, but by the power itself, which has put itself above the law.

        1. It is the Law that decides: for according to it, in an epidemic, rallies are prohibited- and so throughout the world - so decided by ALL countries and authorities. So it is in Russia. And in France, Germany, USA, Holland, there are generally protesters shoot, poison with dogs, gases, etc.

        2. And do not forget that the right of some to rallies should not violate the rights of others not to receive inconvenience from them.

        And this is decided by the LEGAL power, which has received powers from the people in the national elections.

        3. Who gave you the right to decide what is legal and what is not? No one? And what kind of squeals are then heard from the liberals?

        Quote: Stas157
        Eventually We have what we have is a trampled law and the Constitution, and a hypocritical government.



        Learn to speak on YOUR behalf, for no one has instructed you to declare on behalf of everyone.

        And you and others like you have EVERYTHING that you love and in any quantity - Gozman, Makarevich, Khodorkovsky, Albats, Dozhdi, Ehi, Poroshenko, SNN, etc. New newspapers are such a "dictatorial" power ..
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 February 2021 11: 36
          -1
          Quote: Olgovich
          EVERYTHING you love and in any quantity--Gozman, Makarevich, Khodorkovsky, Albats, Rains, Ehi, Poroshenko

          So these are liberals! They are closer to you zapuntents. You have no ideological difference! Except for a minor detail. Some are pro-Western liberals, others are tight-lipped.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 February 2021 12: 38
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            So these are liberals! They are closer to you zapuntenets.

            So this is YOU: your and Gozmanov's / Albats / Kaparov's posts are written UNDER COPY..

            Absolutely ONE company.

            Fi ... negative
        2. Revival
          Revival 1 February 2021 23: 01
          +1
          "It is the Law that decides: for according to it, in conditions of an epidemic, meetings are prohibited."

          Well, at least marathons are allowed, they don't have a virus by definition.
          And this is not hypocrisy, of course.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 2 February 2021 13: 06
            0
            Quote: Revival
            Well, at least marathons are allowed, they don't have a virus by definition.
            And this is not hypocrisy, of course.

            do not understand how a meeting is different from running?

            It can't be helped, yes ...
            1. Revival
              Revival 2 February 2021 19: 08
              +2
              Mass events are prohibited regardless of the name.
              And look at the moment of the start of the marathon, maybe you will understand something
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 2 February 2021 20: 51
                0
                Quote: Revival
                Public events prohibited regardless of the name.

                Rospotrebnadzor allowed to hold the IV "Perm Marathon". The event is scheduled for September 5-6, 2020.

                Moscow Marathon: -he banned only children.

                and this is logical.

                But you don't understand ...
                1. Revival
                  Revival 2 February 2021 22: 39
                  +1
                  Oh, how the consumer goods suddenly allowed, well, that changes everything.
                  But the meeting was not allowed, unexpectedly, right?
                  Hmm ...
                  No, this is not double standards, this is an accident ...
                  But what is there, I think even if the marathon was planned with the slogans, "edro" in "retirement", then the Federal Service for Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare would have allowed it, right?
        3. aglet
          aglet 2 February 2021 11: 32
          -1
          "And in France, Germany, the USA, Holland, there are generally shooting at the protesters, poisoning with dogs, gases, etc."
          shoot machine guns, hound a newbie, and trample elephants? were many demonstrators shot in Holland? just don't count migrants
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 2 February 2021 13: 08
            0
            Quote: aglet
            And in France, Germany, the United States, Holland, in general, protesters are shot, poisoned with dogs, gases, etc. "
            shoot machine guns, hound a newbie, and trample elephants? were many demonstrators shot in Holland? just don't count migrants

            belay lol
            And where do the elephants trample?

            You in Russian express "thought" - try
            1. aglet
              aglet 3 February 2021 13: 29
              0
              "Do you express" thought "in Russian - try"
              yes tried, you still can not understand. where in the above countries are peaceful, I emphasize peaceful demonstrations- [b] [/ there are generally protesters shooting, poisoning with dogs, gases, etc.]? and we have riot police beat single women who just walk towards them, albeit along the way? the policemen are trying with all their might to turn peaceful demonstrations into armed ones in order to justify their considerable number in the country, and to work out their food
      4. Peaceful SEO
        Peaceful SEO 2 February 2021 15: 05
        0
        Any uncoordinated rally is illegal. And edro always coordinates their meetings. Somehow without snot about the trampled constitution
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 20: 43
      +14
      Quote: Achilles
      You don’t compare to a gooseneck, the rally for the Anal is not legal, but the one for EdRa was within the law, do you feel the difference or not?

      Do not compare this to a carrot. According to the LAW, the authorities are notified of the rally. A member of a well-known party sits and decides for himself: I will allow this, but not this. Sharpie with the law
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 1 February 2021 10: 20
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        Do not compare this to a carrot. According to the LAW, the authorities are notified of the rally.

        Have you personally organized a rally at least once? Apparently not. And today, besides everything, there are also pandemic restrictions. You, as a doctor, should be aware of how this violation turns around, and how the authorities were supposed to react. So the "cheats" did not give a damn about the law and the fate of gullible followers. By the way, in your city councils are not all members of the "well-known party" considering appeals of citizens.
        1. Revival
          Revival 1 February 2021 23: 02
          +2
          That is, you say that if it weren't for a pandemic, the rallies will be coordinated, you just have to submit an application?
  • Hagen
    Hagen 1 February 2021 07: 58
    -7
    Quote: Stas157
    And what is typical, when the authorities themselves need our children for the same rallies, but in support of EdRa, she hypocritically uses this.

    You obviously do not understand why they are dragging children to uncoordinated rallies. And they pull them precisely in order to shove them under the power, under the riot police, in the hope that one of the youngsters will be beaten off. For the victim to appear. Have you seen a conflict between protesters and the police at any pro-government rally? I don't think so. And this is the main difference. Children should be taught to be politically active, not used as a "bloody piece of meat."
    Quote: Stas157
    Obviously, someone (in the bunker) struhul was not childish at all!

    Probably "scared" ... for their (children) fate. Today they are young and capable of unreasonable actions, trusting unscrupulous adult agitators. Tomorrow they will most likely become workers in production, people with already acquired life experience, children, families, etc. perfectly normal citizens if not letting active nits ruin their fortunes today. This is what they are afraid of, and what we should be afraid of. I would remind you that some crimes of a violent nature, committed even as a minor, can then cause problems in the choice of certain professions. None of them think about this at all. Only then will they start biting their elbows ... but it may be too late.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 1 February 2021 08: 16
      +7
      Quote: Hagen
      And they pull them precisely for that to shove under the power, under the riot police

      Did you invent this fierce nonsense yourself, or was it someone who suggested it? Do you think the notorious villains came out to hold a meeting ??

      There were no children at the rally (with rare exceptions), and even more so no one shoved them under the riot police.

      What the hell they just don't come up with - just to discredit those who dare to make a movement across the deceitful authorities.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 1 February 2021 09: 45
        -4
        Quote: Stas157
        Did you invent this fierce nonsense yourself, or was it someone who suggested it? Do you think the notorious villains came out to hold a meeting ??

        The main crowd was from not very distant and gullible, and was headed by utyrk hired for money. They, these notorious ones, initiated the attack on the police. Is that why they did it? Provoked a backlash. Maybe there, as at the May Day at the beginning of the last century, people were discussing something, debating? Not. The whole goal is to get to the wrong place, block the street, block traffic, cause difficulty in the life of another, most of the city's population.
        Quote: Stas157
        There were no children at the rally (with rare exceptions), and even more so no one shoved them under the riot police.

        And what about this one, a dim-witted man with ketchup and bandages on his head, shouting from the crowd as the riot police extinguished him? Fiction, editing, like Putin in the pool? wassat
        Quote: Stas157
        What the hell they just don't come up with - just to discredit those who dare to make a movement across the deceitful authorities.

        Everything "invented" is filmed and shown, you cannot refute it. The products of your "hero" have already been denied and their lies have been proven to everyone except you. But these are your problems. There is nothing to row "across the false power". If you want to change the government, create your own party, gather supporters or members of this party, convince the population that you are right that will go to the elections in September. Take power into your own hands. In the meantime, I see that you are not capable of this. You have no ideas, nor the ability for revolutionary leadership. You drown for a little man who has already sold you, and will sell everyone else on occasion. Which on lies and deceit simply has your heads and money. Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer such people in the country today.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 February 2021 11: 03
          +8
          Quote: Hagen
          police attack

          Someone hurt (from the police)? What kind of attacks without any consequences? Attacks and provocations were only from the police, but they will tell you something else on TV.

          Quote: Hagen
          And what about this one, a dim-witted man with ketchup and bandages on his head, shouting from the crowd as the riot police put out him?

          There was a grown guy (injured by werewolves). It is not necessary to rank everyone in a row as a school.

          Quote: Hagen
          Fiction, editing, like Putin in the pool?

          Have you watched the film yourself or just Kisel-TV reviews of it? Putin in the pool is a collage (meme) it was.

          Who would think of memes (jokes) to seriously dispute ??))) Probably only confused people!

          Quote: Hagen
          Here are the products of your "hero" have already been denied and proved his lies

          What a news! Doesn't the palace exist ??

          Quote: Hagen
          You have no ideas

          Does Putin have an idea other than to make friends with billionaires? So to speak "from rags to riches." Why don't you like the communist idea?

          About Navalny. Not tired of attributing it to the left for the hundredth time?

          Liberals (Navalny) are closer to you "liberals", but not to the communists! And people did not marry Navalny, but against the lawlessness of the authorities.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 1 February 2021 16: 56
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            Why don't you like the communist idea?

            And what are you, communists? Once the country was about ... in short, it was destroyed, now you want to sell the rest? Don't be cheap ... But where are you going ?! Neither trade, nor build ... Except for the communist idea - "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs ..." Abilities - zero, only needs remained. Remember billionaire friends? So they do at least something, build bridges, roads. And you have one businessman in the communists, and that one is Grudinin ... wassat
            1. aglet
              aglet 3 February 2021 15: 32
              0
              "Have you remembered billionaire friends? So they are doing at least something, building bridges, roads."
              bridges and roads builds a budget that these billionaire friends are successfully mastering. and they themselves, at their own expense (and even then, it is doubtful), only build palaces, under Gelendzhik, and in other places immense, and yachts longer than "Peter the Great". and cho, the budget is big, and it is designed for this, so that all friends will have enough. but to the common people - an increase in prices for bread, salt, gas and water, an increase in all kinds of fines - again, but what, you need to fill the budget, and then friends - bridge, plato, etc. builders may not have enough, and they may be offended. but you can't offend friends, you need to be proud of them
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 1 February 2021 19: 54
            -3
            Quote: Stas157
            Someone hurt (from the police)? What kind of attacks without any consequences?

            Do you know? There are 42 people in Moscow alone. The rest is the same lie.
            1. aglet
              aglet 3 February 2021 15: 21
              0
              "Don't you know? There are 42 people in Moscow alone"
              do not know. and suffered a lot? Did you wet your pants and your helmets fogged up at the sight of a plastic cup, or did you scratch a rubber band on someone's head? damage to government property
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 3 February 2021 19: 12
                -1
                Quote: aglet
                do not know. and suffered a lot?

                Enough to have to provide medical assistance.
                However, judging by your hysteria, the law enforcement agencies have fulfilled their task.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 4 February 2021 08: 48
                  0
                  "However, judging by your hysteria, the law enforcement agencies have fulfilled their task."
                  but where do you see hysterics here, sir? or the political instructor said, write hysterics, and you write? rather, it’s you hysterics, about the innocent, injured policemen. just how they suffered, you don't write again. Probably, it was a conversation with a detachment psychotherapist, because of a nervous breakdown at the sudden sight of a glass, well, or a snowball, on the edge. Nicho, they will give you an apartment, they will add some stew in the ration, and everything will pass in a moment
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 4 February 2021 19: 28
                  0
                  Quote: aglet
                  but where do you see hysterics here, sir?

                  In the comments of the fighters.
                  Quote: aglet
                  just how they suffered, you don't write again

                  They suffered in fulfilling their duty to restore order and fight the enemies of the people, whose hopes were covered with a copper basin.
                3. aglet
                  aglet 5 February 2021 08: 49
                  0
                  "They suffered in doing their duty"
                  so where did they suffer? or does the mere fact of doing a duty make them suffer?
                4. aglet
                  aglet 5 February 2021 08: 58
                  0
                  "In the comments of the fighters"
                  are those who are fighting against "enemies of the people"? and who determines who is the enemy of the people and who is the friend? really, the people themselves? Those whom the policemen blamed at the rallies, suffering terribly at the same time, by the way, are also people, or rather, not too, but the same people, whose patience is slowly beginning to burst. and the bulk has practically nothing to do with it. Putin did more for this
                5. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 5 February 2021 18: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  so where did they suffer?

                  https://iz.ru/1118810/2021-01-31/opublikovano-video-napadeniia-na-politceiskikh-v-tcentre-peterburga
                  It's inconvenient to shout about the bad police when there are cameras everywhere.
                  Quote: aglet
                  are those who are fighting against "enemies of the people"? and who determines who is the enemy of the people and who is the friend?

                  You and your colleagues are among them.
                  Quote: aglet
                  by the way, they are also a people, or rather, not the same, but the same people, whose patience is slowly beginning to burst

                  and who will soon beat all sorts of children without waiting for the police.
                6. aglet
                  aglet 6 February 2021 09: 39
                  0
                  "It's awkward to scream about bad police when there are cameras everywhere."
                  Well, I asked you, what place did they suffer? I looked and saw, a couple of policemen got kicked in the ass. suffering, damn it. and what, they were then taken to the hospital, as you stated earlier?
                  "You and your colleagues are among them."
                  That is, you decided to shoulder the hard work of defining "enemies of the people" on your frail shoulders? yes, this is a feat that at all times has been adequately paid by the authorities
                  "and which will soon beat all kinds"
                  here is a little wrong, soon the police will get more and more from the people, "what measure you measure, that will be measured to you." although they (the policemen) will be helped by the patriots-Zaputins in the hope of getting free rations. so you will try, cleaner than policemen, but this will not help the old man from the bunker, they will change it anyway. and you, once again change the portrait on the wall, and you will learn the new name of the "friend of the people"
                7. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 February 2021 10: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  Well, I asked you, what place did they suffer? I looked and saw, a couple of policemen got kicked in the ass

                  That is, we cannot deny attacks on police officers.
                  Quote: aglet
                  that is, the hard work of defining "enemies of the people"

                  There is nothing heavy in this, everything is clear.
                  Quote: aglet
                  here is a little wrong, soon the police will get more and more from the people

                  Judging by the number of enemies of the people who can be pulled out to the next anti-Russian sabbath only in your dreams.
                8. aglet
                  aglet 6 February 2021 10: 54
                  0
                  "That is, we cannot deny attacks on police officers."
                  Are there any consequences of attacks? where are those victims in the hospitals that you were broadcasting about?
                  can it be called an attack? under ... the nickname is called, and it does not interfere with the policemen from performing their police duty
                  "There is nothing serious in this, everything is clear anyway"
                  Well, yes, for you it's like breathing, easy and simple, not confused, it means "enemy of the people."
                9. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 February 2021 11: 03
                  -2
                  Quote: aglet
                  Are there any consequences of attacks? where are those victims in the hospitals that you were broadcasting about?

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  There are 42 people in Moscow alone.

                  Quote: aglet
                  can it be called an attack? under ... the nickname is called, and it does not interfere with the policemen from performing their police duty

                  Well, the fact that one policeman kicked the woman who was crawling under her feet also did not prevent her from working out her thirty pieces of silver, but for some reason the screeching rose.
                  Quote: aglet
                  well yes, for you it's like breathing, easy and simple

                  Any of your colleagues is an enemy of the people, it's really simple.
                10. aglet
                  aglet 6 February 2021 11: 27
                  0
                  "There are 42 people in Moscow alone."
                  this figure has already been discussed, but where are the injured policemen? or those about which the video is the most affected?
                  "Well, the fact that one policeman kicked a woman who crawled under her feet."
                  the policeman kicked the woman in the stomach, and those policemen
                  Got a little on the ass - is there a difference? And it was the policemen who worked off their 30 pieces of silver, and you paid that woman, if you know what she was paid? Do you have the facts, or just a flight of fantasy?
                  "Any of your colleagues are an enemy of the people, it's really simple."
                  how do you define me and "my colleagues"? what are the signs, horns, hooves? or do you have it in the training manual - does not lick the foe - the enemy? By the way, there is no such term in the UPK - the enemy of the people. It's you, and your colleagues invented it. Have you heard anything about the union of Michael the Archangel? there were also urya-patriots, they looked for enemies of the people and exterminated them, they defended the tsar-father. here you are one of those, you cannot live without a king and a royal whip. only instead of a tsar you have a wayward, and his whip is a policeman. So who will you be, from the police, or from the confused? or one of those and those?
                11. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 February 2021 12: 40
                  -2
                  Quote: aglet
                  this figure has already been discussed, but where are the victims

                  Received medical assistance, and then depending on the state of health.
                  Quote: aglet
                  the policeman kicked the woman in the stomach, and those policemen

                  The policeman did his duty, and the woman got what she deserved.
                  Quote: aglet
                  how do you define me and "my colleagues"

                  Have you looked in the mirror for a long time?
                12. aglet
                  aglet 6 February 2021 12: 48
                  +1
                  "Have you looked in the mirror for a long time?"
                  are you talking about hoof-horns? I don't have them
                  "Received medical assistance, and then depending on the state of health."
                  but still, where did you get it, where did you put it and how much? about a woman who was kicked in the stomach by a policeman, everything was laid out, and that her son did not serve, and that she lives for 10 thousand, and that she was in the hospital. and not a word about the injured policemen, except for the number-42 only in Moscow. maybe they are lying, and no one was hurt? this version was not considered?
                13. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 February 2021 13: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: aglet
                  all the same about the horn-hooves

                  Sure.
                  Quote: aglet
                  about a woman who

                  the policeman neutralized in self-defense.
                  Quote: aglet
                  maybe they lie, and no one was hurt? such version was not considered?

                  Said a man who only does what lies. Where are your children and old people there?
                  Quote: aglet
                  that's why they give their all at rallies, kicking unarmed women, children and pensioners with all their might
                  She is also a woman in one copy, and womenы where?
                14. aglet
                  aglet 6 February 2021 13: 12
                  0
                  "Policeman neutralized in self-defense."
                  so she attacked him? poor policeman, barely fought back!
                  "Where are your children and old people there?"
                  did I write about them?
                  "She's a woman, too, in one copy, but where are the women?"
                  and you watch the video about the injured policemen, which you recommended, everything is clearly visible there
                  And yet, of whom will you be, from the policemen, from the confused, or from the confused policemen?
                15. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 February 2021 15: 58
                  -2
                  Quote: aglet
                  so she attacked him?

                  I tried to stop him, but failed for myself.
                  Quote: aglet
                  did I write about them?

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  that's why they give their all at rallies, kicking unarmed women, children and pensioners with all their might

                  Don't you remember that you're lying?
                  Quote: aglet
                  and you watch the video about the victims

                  How do your fellow traitors attack the defenders of the Motherland.
                16. aglet
                  aglet 7 February 2021 10: 03
                  +1
                  "How your fellow traitors attack the defenders of the Motherland."
                  edefenders of the homeland do not attack the people. the people are attacked by Putin's defenders. the question is, traitors of what? you again took upon yourself the hard work of dividing the people into friends and foes? there were already such in our history, than ended, everyone knows, well, maybe, except you. you are clearly not burdened with an excess of intelligence
                  "that's why they give their all at the rallies, kicking unarmed women, children and pensioners with all their might"
                  and what, they fight at rallies with armed gangs? with Chechen terrorists? he copes with terrorists like Kadyrov, with his army, at rallies glasses are equated to weapons, and snowballs. then yes, the risk is terrible, loyal dogs of the regime
                  "I tried to stop him, but it was unsuccessful for myself"
                  have you seen the video? The policeman, without a moment's hesitation, kicked an elderly woman in the stomach, who did not pose the slightest threat to him. you stubbornly bypass the question of your social identity. So, you can be considered zaputintsom-grew up "guardsman"? otherwise you are ashamed to admit
                17. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 7 February 2021 10: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  defenders of the homeland do not attack the people

                  Of course, after all, the police and the Rosguards protect our people from traitors.
                  Quote: aglet
                  were already like this in our history

                  And the new generation of Kurbsky / Vlasovs is very afraid that they will be dealt with according to their merits.
                  Quote: aglet
                  why, they are fighting at rallies with armed gangs

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  That is, we cannot deny attacks on police officers.

                  Quote: aglet
                  have you seen the video?

                  The policeman did not hesitate for a second to eliminate the enemy of the people, which prevented the detention of his colleague, as he should have done in such a situation. The only thing that can be blamed on him is that she, too, had to be immediately packed with an accomplice.
                  Quote: aglet
                  you stubbornly avoid the question of your social identity

                  Engineer, pro-Putin, Russian imperialist.
                18. aglet
                  aglet 7 February 2021 18: 52
                  0
                  "Of course, because the police and the National Guards protect our people from traitors."
                  I ask again, from what traitors, or whom, are the policemen protecting the people? you something smoothly bypass my question, engineer-companion? and a little about the "guard"

                  looks like you say traitors in the middle, no?
                19. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 7 February 2021 19: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  from the traitors of what, or who, the policemen protect the people

                  From traitors to their country in general and the people in particular.
                  Quote: aglet
                  and a little about the "guard"
                  Why not


                  And more
                20. aglet
                  aglet 8 February 2021 09: 35
                  0
                  "From the traitors to their country in general and the people in particular."
                  can you answer how you can betray an entire country? only Gorbachev was capable of this. but the resources allowed him. what can the protesters betray, and how? will they tell the military secret to the bourgeoisie? no, that's what the military is for. money will be stolen from the budget apparently invisibly? again no, there are specially trained people for this, put personally by Putin - governors, ministers, senators and other crap. so how can a country be betrayed? you probably know how, if you take it to judge. explain the question. and about the betrayal of the people. people, if you don't know, these are all people who live in our country. and those who go to rallies, and those who screw and beat them there, and those who do not go anywhere yet are all the people. The people cannot betray themselves, which means that the people are betrayed by those who stand outside the people - the president, the government, the deputies. That's why they betray the people by raising prices, tariffs and fines for everything that has a price. put the country on its knees in front of the West, when some kind of "monaca" makes claims for billions of dollars, and they are paid to it, when Gazprom is not our wealth, when they gave aluminum to the Americans, etc., you can list for a long time. that which has no price, they are not interested, and therefore we do not have it - patriotism, state ideology, etc. that's who betrays the country and the people, not those who are at the rallies. but I'm tired of explaining common truths, so I won't answer anymore, don't write. keep praying on Putin's photo, wait for his change to buy a new photo, and keep praying
                21. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 8 February 2021 11: 48
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  can you answer how you can betray an entire country? only Gorbachev was capable of this

                  Seriously? And the Vlasovites and others like them your colleagues who betrayed?
                  Quote: aglet
                  it's all people. people themselves

                  Another demagoguery about "we are the power / people here, etc."
                  The people go about their business, and part of the people who serve in law enforcement defend the country from enemies of the people / traitors.
                  Quote: aglet
                  brought the country to its knees before the west

                  Writes a man who dreams of serving the very West, whose goal has been the Maidan in Russia for 20 years.
                  Quote: aglet
                  and therefore we do not have it - patriotism, state ideology

                  You, in principle, cannot have this.
                  Quote: aglet
                  but I'm tired of explaining common truths, so I won't answer anymore

                  That is, it is impossible to fool my head with nonsense according to the training manual.
                22. aglet
                  aglet 9 February 2021 09: 06
                  0
                  "That is, it is impossible to fool my head with nonsense according to the training manual"
                  could not resist not to answer, but this is the last time - why do I need your head? you need it, too, just to eat it, but to me, it is completely unnecessary. you are clearly exaggerating the role of your head in the historical development of mankind.
                  "we cannot be led astray - we don't care where to go", this is about you, if only someone would lead, showing a carrot
                23. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 9 February 2021 10: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  could not resist not to answer, but this is the last time

                  Which one?
                  Quote: aglet
                  why do i need your head

                  Well, you pay 30 pieces of silver for anti-Russian propaganda.
                24. aglet
                  aglet 10 February 2021 11: 58
                  0
                  "why do I need your head
                  Well, they pay you 30 pieces of silver for anti-Russian propaganda. "
                  they won't give you a dime for your head - the variety is not the same, poor quality. don't flatter yourself
                25. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 10 February 2021 12: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  they won't give a dime for your head

                  Of course, you didn't manage to fool her with your nonsense.
  • aglet
    aglet 2 February 2021 11: 41
    +1
    "In the meantime, I see that you are not capable of this. You have no ideas, no abilities for revolutionary leadership. You are drowning for a man who has already sold you, and will sell everyone else on occasion."
    I see you have these ideas, and you are a recognized rrrrevolutionary leader. and about the little man in more detail, please. this is not the one that stated, while I am president, the retirement age will not rise, we will not rewrite the constitution, etc.? well, who is still struggling with prices, and has friends for whom you are not ashamed?
  • Revival
    Revival 1 February 2021 23: 05
    +2
    "You obviously don't understand why they are dragging children to uncoordinated rallies."

    So agree, and don't overclock and there is no problem
  • Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 4 February 2021 08: 36
    +1
    Nobody saw! People are not marrying Navalny! The authorities are well aware of this, they shift the arrows and stupidly "move from topic" to another! No matter what Navalny is, no matter who owns all these "palaces", "summer cottages, vineyards" the authorities cannot answer one question! Where does it come from in a poor country that does not produce anything and sells natural resources, where does so much money come from for all these "excesses" and why there are no sick children, teachers, doctors. Why???
    Why is it all to some, and to others .. the amount of macaroshki! So that your legs don't stretch out and that's it?
    Why did Elon Musk manage to enter the budget of his space program in an amount 3-4 times less than the amounts seized from three: Zakharchenko, Arashukov, Chekalin! Why is this even possible in our country, where everyone is so "zealously" fighting corruption !?
    Why ... so many of these why! Do not list everything.
    Rosgvardia and the police, I would remind you of the text of the oath! And also that in 20 years the system will spit them out and they will knock around without their corner in rented apartments!
    1. aglet
      aglet 4 February 2021 08: 56
      0
      "And also that in 20 years the system will spit them out and they will knock around without their corner in rented apartments!"
      that's why they give their all at the rallies, kicking unarmed women, children and pensioners with all their might, while they are still strong, so that they can earn an apartment. when the Chechens held an unauthorized rally in Moscow in the summer, as a sign of solidarity with the Muslims in Africa, the National Guard was not noticed there. yes, it is clear, and it was possible to grab it there. We stood on the sidelines until the Chechens were tired of dancing dhikr, and drove off. or was it an authorized meeting?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 4 February 2021 19: 29
        0
        Quote: aglet
        that's why they give their all at rallies, kicking unarmed women, children and pensioners with all their might

        That is, they are children or, in the language of the last century, enemies of the people.
  • Finches
    Finches 31 January 2021 15: 14
    -1
    For this, in the USSR there was a well-functioning system of education - it was called 2, and in the navy there was a 3-year military service! The crap from the head in 2 years is very well weathered ... And they served, almost all, and now we have a contract army, the draft is tiny, they serve for a year - and in a year, not just a citizen, a soldier, you can't do it!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 January 2021 15: 15
      +11
      Quote: Finches
      For this, in the USSR, there was a well-functioning system of education - it was called 2, and in the navy there was 3 year conscript service!

      And I found 3 more and 4 in the fleet.
      1. Civil
        Civil 31 January 2021 17: 28
        -12%
        1. These are the grandchildren and children of those who mumbled the USSR, so nothing will come of these descendants of losers).
        2. When the grown men, wet with fright, hide on the sofas, the children come out. Well, so that later with wet pants in terpily).
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 31 January 2021 20: 46
          +8
          Quote: Civil
          When grown men, wet from fright, hide on sofas

          As Zhvanetsky said, power rests on the drunkenness of the Russian peasant. As soon as he stops drinking, then the fairy tale will end
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 21: 44
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            As Zhvanetsky said, power rests on the drunkenness of the Russian peasant. As soon as he stops drinking, then the fairy tale will end

            In-in. Ka staged a dry law in the Republic of Ingushetia, and the revolution, as Gorby did dry law, and overthrew him. laughing
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 31 January 2021 22: 02
              +3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              ... Ka staged a dry law in the Republic of Ingushetia, and the revolution, as Gorby did dry law, and overthrew him.

              What to take with an ignoramus
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 31 January 2021 15: 29
      +27
      Quote: Finches
      in USSR

      In the USSR, the state was engaged in the upbringing of its citizens - from the very childhood: october, pioneer, Komsomol. The school not only taught, but also brought up - I still remember that when talking with people, you need to get your hands out of your pockets! I won't mention the rest. And now no one is taking care of children - they will put a smartphone in, and that's it! ! That is why Navalny occupies children's minds in social networks. In today's society, nobody needs anyone.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 41
        +7
        I still remember that when talking to people, you need to get your hands out of your pockets!
        this is true, otherwise, your hands can be easily blocked in pockets, by an elementary pressure from the outside ... your hands should always be free. (street)
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 31 January 2021 15: 50
        +17
        We need to start with bloggers.
        We must start with the state.
      3. sergo1914
        sergo1914 31 January 2021 16: 06
        +11
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And now no one is taking care of children - they will put a smartphone in, and that's it! ! That is why Navalny occupies children's minds in social networks. In today's society, nobody needs anyone.


        14 and 24. Every 10 years has a smartphone. Nobody went to the rallies for Navalny. It's not about smartphones.
      4. bar
        bar 31 January 2021 16: 18
        +16
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The school not only taught, but also brought up

        And now the school "provides educational services."
      5. dgonni
        dgonni 31 January 2021 16: 29
        -12%
        And those were incomprehensible. Now imagine a Soviet school with access to the European media of those times and the understanding that an ordinary hard worker in Europe and the states lives an order of magnitude better than your father or mother!
        Yes, there was a problem with medical insurance. It should be a priori. Nothing else mattered.
        However, there and now it is. And any person with a roof over his head can earn for insurance and food!
        We simply keep silent about the level and quality of life. These are incomparable universes!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 16: 44
          +5
          Quote: dgonni
          understanding that an ordinary hard worker in Europe and the states lives an order of magnitude better than your father or mother!

          With what kind of drinking did they live much better? I remember an interview with a French worker Renault in the late 80s. So, four of them went to work, one by one, one week one carries everyone, the second - another, and so on. During this period, the Frenchman complained that he was spending almost half of his salary on housing.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 31 January 2021 17: 05
            +6
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            With what kind of drinking did they live much better? I remember an interview with a French worker Renault in the late 80s. So, four of them went to work, one by one, one week one carries everyone, the second - another, and so on.

            And that's the best case! And if there is no work? Although there were benefits, you won't last long on them. Will there be work at all - a big question
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 31 January 2021 20: 19
              +8
              All right, drive the geese. My brother has a German wife, moved to Germany a long time ago, works as a salesman (sits at the checkout in a store). Receives 3,2 thousand euros, gives a thousand for housing, the employer pays half for medical insurance, a total of 150 euros per month. The rest of her money. Can afford to change cars every two years, every vacation travels. There are many more surprising things I can tell.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 31 January 2021 20: 49
                +9
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Can afford to change cars every two years, every vacation travels

                And my classmate works in South Africa as an infectious disease specialist. The state gives him a free car for his work and changes every 5 years
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 31 January 2021 20: 58
                +9
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                There are many more surprising things I can tell.

                There is nothing surprising here. Everything is just like that. I also have acquaintances, moved to Germany in the 90s .. she is cutting fish in the port, he is also a crane operator there .. We bought a house, 120 square meters., Two children .. two cars and travel twice a year four together around the world .. So they live there much better .. and this is a fact. If we did not have such total corruption and nepotism, and those who are in power would be responsible .. then I think our situation would be much better.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 1 February 2021 19: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Svarog
                  I also have friends who moved to Germany in the 90s.

                  Do you have your favorite communism in Germany?
              3. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 1 February 2021 01: 25
                +1
                seller cashier 3 thousand euros ??? let me not believe you.
              4. aglet
                aglet 2 February 2021 11: 46
                0
                "There are many more amazing things I can tell."
                you are talking about it now. and it was about the 80s. then everything was not as tasty as it is now
          2. dgonni
            dgonni 31 January 2021 17: 06
            0
            Encore and bravo! You yourself did not understand what and how you wrote! Four in turn? Well Duc for every car! And the four of us? Because the oil crisis is cheaper! But they have them in stock! Half of the salary? Well Duc you need to know for the size of a house, chalet or apartment of a hard worker! He didn't live in a dorm with his family in 12-18 squares!
            He lived either on a rented, if young, or on credit!
            Well, these are ours, it was necessary. And then tell the truth and expel.
            Well this is. It reached 25% and was expensive for them.
            For? For oil is expensive. By the mid-90s, they rebuilt.
            P.S. I will tell you from the experience of friends! France is clearly not ideal for our emigrants. It is a fact. But having received a residence permit. It takes 4-5 years! After 3 years, they have their own house, while built for themselves and for the wild, as they say, 3.5-4%!
            The percentage can be extinguished in a large chunk once a year. Although it is not customary for frogs. According to the stories, it's gone and 1.5% on top!
            Don't write about what you don't know.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 18: 16
              +5
              Quote: dgonni
              Encore and bravo! You yourself did not understand what and how you wrote!

              Chudik, you didn't understand nichrome. They drove because they didn't have buses, compare five kopecks with the cost of a car.
              Quote: dgonni
              Don't write about what you don't know.

              My friend lived in Germany, screwed back from there. This is in the 90s. I listened to it. So go into the woods, Johnny.
              1. dgonni
                dgonni 31 January 2021 18: 48
                -4
                The Olginskys need to be taught to give comments adequately! Not like this!
                There was and is public transport in Europe! It is really cheaper for 3-4 people to work by car than individually to the factory! But this is only if you live in a private house and you need to get to the company bus in your own car or other transport!
                If I were your boss, I would solder you a minus in payment!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 18: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: dgonni
                  If I were your boss, I would solder you a minus in payment!

                  I sent my boss three funny letters a couple of weeks ago. Let him look for other people.
                2. Aag
                  Aag 31 January 2021 19: 24
                  +8
                  Quote: dgonni
                  The Olginskys need to be taught to give comments adequately! Not like this!
                  There was and is public transport in Europe! It is really cheaper for 3-4 people to work by car than individually to the factory! But this is only if you live in a private house and you need to get to the company bus in your own car or other transport!
                  If I were your boss, I would solder you a minus in payment!

                  Somehow you have neither grammar nor logic ... recourse
            2. Skarpzd
              Skarpzd 1 February 2021 01: 32
              +2
              Yes, it is not customary in France to build houses for themselves. it is very expensive and the property taxes are wild. live mainly in rented housing. my nephew has been living and working there for several years. and an earnings of 2.5 thousand euros is a very decent income by their standards. and she has a sorbonne on her back.
          3. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 February 2021 11: 16
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Where is it After drinking, they lived an order of magnitude better? I remember an interview with a French worker Renault in the late 80s. So, four of them went to work, one by one, one week one carries everyone, the second - another, and so on. During this period, the Frenchman complained that he was spending almost half of his salary on housing.

            Are you serious? belay lol

            Yes, they lived on ORDER better than I was personally convinced of (I went to see my relatives in Germany).

            it was generally another planet - shops, cars, equipment, cleanliness, prosperity in everything - in the roads, houses, villages, fields.

            and yes, my four went to work in Karlsruhe at the Mercedes plant (they worked as workers) in a car from another city: so, indeed, cheaper. But on their own, everyone is on his own in his own car.

            You can take the bus, but it is longer and it is not cheap.


            Yes, half of the salary of one family member went to her.

            But the remaining money was enough for any clothes, food, car, and they traveled all over the world and even helped their parents with money and even cars.

            So it was then and so it is now with their children.
          4. for
            for 1 February 2021 11: 31
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            So, four of them went to work, one by one, one week one carries everyone, the second - the other, and so on.

            We would have driven like that, there would be less traffic jams.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 31 January 2021 19: 27
          +4
          Quote: dgonni
          Yes, there was a problem with medical insurance. It should be a priori. Nothing else mattered.
          There are no problems with medical insurance!
          There is a problem with having a job! 20% unemployment is a big number! Very big!
          In Western films then and in all now they showed successful and super-successful people, of whom 20-30% is the maximum! In the USSR they lived worse than successful people of the West, but better than those who did not fall into these 20-30%.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 31 January 2021 20: 36
            +8
            Here are the average numbers:
            "A typical Russian citizen in 2017 was 1,8 times richer than in 2000. However, this value is only about a quarter of the wealth indicator of a typical resident of the OECD countries (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, unites 30 most economically developed countries in the world - IF ) ", - says the report of the World Bank.
            Let me explain: a Russian is on average 4 times poorer than the average European.
            https://www.interfax.ru/business/686655
            I already wrote above that my brother's wife, German, works as a salesman, lives much richer than all my friends.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 31 January 2021 20: 46
              +4
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Let me explain: a Russian is on average 4 times poorer than the average European.
              Let me explain: I was talking about the USSR. Russia is a new feudal state, it has not yet matured to capitalism.
            2. Egoza
              Egoza 31 January 2021 21: 47
              -2
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              my brother's wife, German, works as a salesman, lives much richer than all my friends.

              Perfectly! But they will fire her! The owner needed a place for his grown-up granddaughter, niece, etc. What then will she sing to you?
              1. for
                for 1 February 2021 11: 35
                0
                Quote: Egoza
                The owner needed a place for his grown-up granddaughter, niece

                And put her at the checkout.
        3. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 31 January 2021 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: dgonni
          incomparable universes!
      6. dorz
        dorz 31 January 2021 16: 30
        +2
        Close the internet! Create a local network only for Russians! Block ... Force ... Shield children from Western influence ...

        That's right, China has been successfully doing this for the past 20 years, blocking enemy and developing its own media services.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 31 January 2021 18: 00
          +20
          Quote: dorz
          That's right, China has been successfully doing this for the past 20 years, blocking enemy and developing its own media services.
          And also China is shooting corrupt officials. Maybe start with this? You see, the rest is not required.
          1. Aag
            Aag 31 January 2021 19: 34
            +6
            Quote: bk0010
            Quote: dorz
            That's right, China has been successfully doing this for the past 20 years, blocking enemy and developing its own media services.
            And also China is shooting corrupt officials. Maybe start with this? You see, the rest is not required.

            Maybe ... Only who will determine who is corrupt and who is an effective top manager (solved)?
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 31 January 2021 20: 00
              +4
              Quote: AAG

              Maybe ... Only who will determine who is corrupt and who is an effective top manager (solved)?

              Well .. I'm retired, not particularly burdened, I can quit my "main" job ... it's already hard ... but I can do "Makara" or "Toto", with a prop ... with smoke breaks .. then I need to discuss the schedule. in the summer, it's generally troublesome ... manure, humus, tomatoes ... mushrooms will go again ...
              1. Aag
                Aag 31 January 2021 20: 15
                +7
                Quote: Aerodrome
                Quote: AAG

                Maybe ... Only who will determine who is corrupt and who is an effective top manager (solved)?

                Well .. I'm retired, not particularly burdened, I can quit my "main" job ... it's already hard ... but I can do "Makara" or "Toto", with a prop ... with smoke breaks .. then I need to discuss the schedule. in the summer, it's generally troublesome ... manure, humus, tomatoes ... mushrooms will go again ...

                You are torn to performers ...)))
                The other question was, who will determine the perpetrators.
                Solovyov is also torn to SMERSH ...
                ... Wait, with tomatoes you will now be imputed licensing. Mushrooms will impose .. Manure? Isn't your cattle the ozone hole about ... business?)))
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 20: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: AAG
                  Isn't your brute the ozone hole about ... business?)))

                  laughing good She is, she is, she is!
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 31 January 2021 20: 54
                  +6
                  Quote: AAG
                  Solovyov is also torn to SMERSH ...

                  Will close the entrance to the EU, block accounts and become such an ardent anti-Putin laughing
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 31 January 2021 21: 30
              -1
              Quote: AAG
              Maybe ... Only who will determine who is corrupt and who is an effective top manager (solved)?
              Computer. The income of the official and his relatives is compared with the change in the value of the assets of the official and his relatives. A significant excess (from 2 times) - in a gas van with the whole family. This technology will allow you to block popular now bribes through cross-deals (you sign the paper, and I will buy 5000 pieces of five-hundred-ruble slippers for 20 thousand per pair in your nephew's store).
              1. Aag
                Aag 31 January 2021 21: 56
                0
                Quote: bk0010
                Quote: AAG
                Maybe ... Only who will determine who is corrupt and who is an effective top manager (solved)?
                Computer. The income of the official and his relatives is compared with the change in the value of the assets of the official and his relatives. A significant excess (from 2 times) - in a gas van with the whole family. This technology will allow you to block popular now bribes through cross-deals (you sign the paper, and I will buy 5000 pieces of five-hundred-ruble slippers for 20 thousand per pair in your nephew's store).

                Yeah I do not mind!
                Only who will let the computer access the data?
                And he will not deliver another one at the output, - to correct the results ... repeat
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 31 January 2021 20: 52
            +1
            Quote: bk0010
            And also China is shooting corrupt officials. Maybe start with this?

            Choosing between closing the Internet, which is unrealizable, preference should be given to the execution of thieves. It's more useful for the country
      7. nnm
        nnm 31 January 2021 16: 46
        +32
        It seems to me, colleague, that we are missing the main problem and difference. The problem is not in the absence of a system for raising children and adolescents, but in the fact that now THERE IS NOTHING to teach modern government. What ideas to educate - be honest, be proud of your ancestors, work hard, don't steal, help the weak, etc., and then the child turns around and sees the reality in which there is only one ideal - money! And everyone who doesn't have them is mud under their feet.
        I mean that the modern system itself does not have worthy ideological, moral, moral guidelines that could be put into the head of adolescents. Therefore, the creation of any system of education will lead exactly to the opposite result due to the dissonance between the declared values ​​and the real behavior of the authorities themselves.
        The same army - well, how can you learn from its example now, if before a white ticket was a shame, but now exactly the opposite? How will the authorities say that this is an honorable duty if the children of richer families do not go to the army, but go to study in London? And this difference in the head will break any education system. Because the main principle of working with teenagers is NOT TO LIE. The first lie and that's all, not a word from us will no longer receive.
        Best regards hi
        1. Aag
          Aag 31 January 2021 20: 00
          +4
          Quote: nnm
          It seems to me, colleague, that we are missing the main problem and difference. The problem is not in the absence of a system for raising children and adolescents, but in the fact that now THERE IS NOTHING to teach modern government. What ideas to educate - be honest, be proud of your ancestors, work hard, don't steal, help the weak, etc., and then the child turns around and sees the reality in which there is only one ideal - money! And everyone who doesn't have them is mud under their feet.
          I mean that the modern system itself does not have worthy ideological, moral, moral guidelines that could be put into the head of adolescents. Therefore, the creation of any system of education will lead exactly to the opposite result due to the dissonance between the declared values ​​and the real behavior of the authorities themselves.
          The same army - well, how can you learn from its example now, if before a white ticket was a shame, but now exactly the opposite? How will the authorities say that this is an honorable duty if the children of richer families do not go to the army, but go to study in London? And this difference in the head will break any education system. Because the main principle of working with teenagers is NOT TO LIE. The first lie and that's all, not a word from us will no longer receive.
          Best regards hi

          Plus you definitely!
          But in practice, even from what you write, everything is different ... The main thing that the adversaries, competitors, partners have achieved, are essentially the enemies of Russia (it does not matter whether it is external or internal) - the split of the population! On any possible basis. (Age, professional affiliation, nationality, region of residence ...) ... Adults do not always adequately perceive what is broadcast on TV. How to protect children from the cult of opportunism, the Golden Calf?
          And the question arises, is it worth it? To condemn the offspring, excuse me, to the "role of a loser"? Unfortunately, there are examples when the children of the Most Honest, stepped out of the window. (((
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 20: 26
          0
          Quote: nnm
          Because the main principle of working with teenagers is NOT TO LIE. The first lie and that's all, not a word from us will no longer receive.

          Here you will reach Shpakovsky. Otherwise he will not understand in any way. He wore jeans where his students did not see.
      8. kalibr
        kalibr 31 January 2021 16: 51
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        In the USSR, the state was engaged in the upbringing of its citizens - from the very childhood: october, pioneer, Komsomol

        And brought up ... surnames ... and what kind of education? Remind me?
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              1. kalibr
                kalibr 31 January 2021 18: 17
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                that you are an ordinary adaptive, who always and everywhere looks for where the bottom is warmer? And, are you our "ideological" and obviously "burdened" by Soviet education?

                So after all, in order to become them, you need to KNOW WHERE it is warmer in the back, to know that everything around is a lie and only babos are true! And how could I know that? Use your brain? I would have been happy to become a opportunist at that time, if ... I knew about all that shit that happened. It was only in 1985-88 that I began to find out when I got into the archives. But I hoped that it would somehow settle down. And again, who is going to cut the chicken now, even knowing that everything will fall apart? Everybody hoped that ... the party would get out, that all the shit was birthmarks. This is the trouble ... And you think why the teachers of the history of the CPSU were admitted to graduate school only after three years of work? Because, once in the archive, the tower was demolished for many. But it was too late ... it was necessary to feed the family, and for that ... "support the system." Fluctuate with the party. I wish I was a opportunist ...
                1. Unknown
                  Unknown 31 January 2021 19: 43
                  +5
                  Quote: kalibr

                  So after all, in order to become them, you need to KNOW WHERE it is warmer in the back, to know that everything around is a lie and only babos are true! And how could I know that? Use your brain? I would love to have become a opportunist at that time, if ... I knew about all that shit that happened. It was only in 1985-88 that I began to find out when I got into the archives.

                  Oh disingenuous! But what about grandma and mom? Teachers of the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and conversations in the kitchen, about the cult of the individual, and the party too. Mom's recommendations about studying, not otherwise the prospect of a worker at a factory, and drinking at a shalman. After all, the work of a propagandist from the district committee is not dusty. Drive around, enterprises, collective farms, read lectures. The local party organizers are afraid of you, how they will report to the district committee, therefore they tried to drive at least someone to the lecture. There is nothing not to answer for, there is, as they say, work with the personnel, and bribes are smooth from you. Not a position, just a raspberry.
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 31 January 2021 20: 46
                    -2
                    Quote: Unknown
                    Oh disingenuous! But what about grandma and mom? History teachers of the KPSS

                    You all confuse or read "Mordvin" (he wrote about the grandfather of the Polish general). My grandmother was a librarian at my grandfather's school. Simple. And she had nothing to do with the party. And my mother was ... at first the head. cabinet, then an assistant ... she defended herself only in 68. And she told ... on the topic of the dissertation "Academy of Red Directors" And what could a 14-year-old boy learn from this? Yes, all this was not interesting to me at all. And then she told me that it was profitable and interesting there. So what? There is nothing wrong with looking for better and easier jobs. But we didn't know anything ... Orwell's, Trotsky's, Chayanov's, Pareto's books were banned in the USSR ... There was nothing to compare life with ... Therefore, for me personally, everything went on a knurled path. And where it will lead, I did not even think.
                    Quote: Unknown
                    After all, the work of a propagandist from the district committee is not dusty. Drive around, enterprises, collective farms, read lectures. The local party organizers are afraid of you, how they will report to the district committee, therefore they tried to drive at least someone to the lecture. There is nothing not to answer for, there is, as they say, work with the personnel, and bribes are smooth from you. Not a position, just a raspberry.

                    But this is all true. But only you are a teacher first, and then all this ... I have never been a full-time employee of the RK and OK, although I willingly (could I refuse to carry out an assignment on the party line?) Did all the work. I read lectures at 20 a month, at a rate of 5, because they paid for them: for non-graduated 5 rubles. Graduated 10. And not being in the state ... how do you know everything behind the scenes? Only from archival documents. And they are at least 10 years old (as it should be). So there was always a hope that it would somehow be corrected, that it would be good. So do not judge the system in which you have not rotated. This is not as simple as it seems. And most people just didn't care about all the global problems, it was more important for them to feed their family better, buy a beautiful dress for their wife, and go to the sea in the summer. And the "big shots" let them figure it out themselves at the top, so we thought. And now it is!
                    1. Unknown
                      Unknown 31 January 2021 21: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: kalibr
                      So what? There is nothing wrong with looking for better and easier jobs.

                      There is no dispute, the propagandist is the very thing. Staying at school is not a promising business, troublesome students, parents, ronos, etc., there are also remarks, reprimands with the entry, you do not need such happiness.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      So do not judge the system in which you have not rotated. This is not as simple as it seems.

                      Here you are right in the system did not rotate, but communicated with political officials in the army, and party organizers of enterprises. We came across different ones on the path of life, good and not so. And I'll tell you what, it's always hard to work with people, they are all different and their problems are also different. But the superiors always ask why, why, they can be held accountable for omissions. Not calm. But the propagandist is the trick, all the lightning by. You need to know where to moor.
                2. Aag
                  Aag 31 January 2021 21: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  that you are an ordinary adaptive, who always and everywhere looks for where the bottom is warmer? And, are you our "ideological" and obviously "burdened" by Soviet education?

                  So after all, in order to become them, you need to KNOW WHERE it is warmer in the back, to know that everything around is a lie and only babos are true! And how could I know that? Use your brain? I would have been happy to become a opportunist at that time, if ... I knew about all that shit that happened. It was only in 1985-88 that I began to find out when I got into the archives. But I hoped that it would somehow settle down. And again, who is going to cut the chicken now, even knowing that everything will fall apart? Everybody hoped that ... the party would get out, that all the shit was birthmarks. This is the trouble ... And you think why the teachers of the history of the CPSU were admitted to graduate school only after three years of work? Because, once in the archive, the tower was demolished for many. But it was too late ... it was necessary to feed the family, and for that ... "support the system." Fluctuate with the party. I wish I was a opportunist ...

                  Sorry, butted ...
                  Well, it’s always a booze on "its own staircase." Even if the neighbors (all the more so) are greyhounds ...
                  I have several questions, a number of objections to the opposing sides, but it is not critical yet ...
                  It upsets, strains the fact that both opponents, according to their previous comments, in general, if not like-minded people, then rather close (in terms of their views) people ... And then there is such an ideological slaughter ... Did you think of it yourself, or who prompted?

                  Dear (according to your articles) Caliber! Agree, in the USSR the party apparatus (the Komsomol, others like him) had more positive advantages for the country than the current bureaucracy. I suspect you will disagree. But even numerically lost to the current ones! (in your opinion) less ... Not to mention the goals and objectives, although we should start with this. hi
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 31 January 2021 21: 21
                    -2
                    Quote: AAG
                    Agree, in the USSR the party apparatus (the Komsomol, others like it) had more positive advantages for the country than the current bureaucracy. I suspect you will disagree.

                    And you do not suspect. Because I just agree. And I agree because ... the current bureaucracy is a flesh of the flesh of the "scoop" and has taken over from the past all the shortcomings, but the positive is only learning, and along the way. And the people ... not the same! Alas! Read my series of articles on the peasants and the death of the peasant civilization. And yes - the party apparatus and others like it for yesterday's peasants had more positive advantages, yes !!! But he didn't rebuild in time and ... After all, what is needed? Lack of steel-concrete political doctrines and theories like Marxism. Because no one knows what kind of smartphone will be invented tomorrow, namely, the tools of labor determine consciousness. Constant change of apparatus. Let the employee be worse, but a new one! Even Lenin scolded the irreplaceability of the leadership and was right. Attracting youth. Well, knowledge of science. Generation activity 20 years. Every 5-15 the amount of knowledge doubles. This means that every 20 years a complete replacement of the apparatus is needed for those of the same age! That's all!
                    1. Aag
                      Aag 31 January 2021 21: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Quote: AAG
                      Agree, in the USSR the party apparatus (the Komsomol, others like it) had more positive advantages for the country than the current bureaucracy. I suspect you will disagree.

                      And you do not suspect. Because I just agree. And I agree because ... the current bureaucracy is a flesh of the flesh of the "scoop" and has taken over from the past all the shortcomings, but the positive is only learning, and along the way. And the people ... not the same! Alas! Read my series of articles on the peasants and the death of the peasant civilization. And yes - the party apparatus and others like it for yesterday's peasants had more positive advantages, yes !!! But he didn't rebuild in time and ... After all, what is needed? Lack of steel-concrete political doctrines and theories like Marxism. Because no one knows what kind of smartphone will be invented tomorrow, namely, the tools of labor determine consciousness. Constant change of apparatus. Let the employee be worse, but a new one! Even Lenin scolded the irreplaceability of the leadership and was right. Attracting youth. Well, knowledge of science. Generation activity 20 years. Every 5-15 the amount of knowledge doubles. This means that every 20 years a complete replacement of the apparatus is needed for those of the same age! That's all!

                      Thank you (really!).
                      Readable (this is more of the area you are appealing to))) ...
                      Only experience somehow refutes your theses: "... The absence of steel-concrete political doctrines ...", "... Let the worker be worse, but for a new one ...", "... Well, knowledge of science ... ".
                      Don't you think that all this has already happened in recent years, or just with knowledge of science it did not work out?
                      About the complete replacement of the apparatus, - I do not disagree so much as I do not see acceptable solutions ((( hi
                    2. kalibr
                      kalibr 1 February 2021 07: 01
                      0
                      Quote: AAG
                      Has it all happened in recent years, or has it simply failed with knowledge of science?
                      About the complete replacement of the device, - I do not disagree so much as I see no acceptable solutions

                      There was vertical rotation of personnel, but ... it ceased to be.
                      Science, as before, is in one place, and people are in another (this is even visible on VO), there are already acceptable ways and even work, but so far it is not enough, bad, and therefore ineffective. It will be good when a complete change of generations occurs ...
                    3. Aag
                      Aag 1 February 2021 07: 09
                      0
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Quote: AAG
                      Has it all happened in recent years, or has it simply failed with knowledge of science?
                      About the complete replacement of the device, - I do not disagree so much as I see no acceptable solutions

                      There was vertical rotation of personnel, but ... it ceased to be.
                      Science, as before, is in one place, and people are in another (this is even visible on VO), there are already acceptable ways and even work, but so far it is not enough, bad, and therefore ineffective. It will be good when a complete change of generations occurs ...

                      "... It will be good when there is a complete change of generations ..."
                      belay I'm afraid that only those who "change" will get better ... recourse
                    4. kalibr
                      kalibr 1 February 2021 08: 12
                      0
                      Quote: AAG
                      I'm afraid that only those who "change" will get better ..

                      And it always happens. The old are always worse than the young. EVERYONE cannot be good at the same time.
                    5. Aag
                      Aag 1 February 2021 10: 27
                      0
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Quote: AAG
                      I'm afraid that only those who "change" will get better ..

                      And it always happens. The old are always worse than the young. EVERYONE cannot be good at the same time.

                      "... The old are always worse than the young ..."
                      All other things being equal, yes.
                      "... EVERYONE can not be good at the same time ..."
                      I agree. The only question is who should be good: old or young, white or black; Or is it that those who honestly work, serve regardless of gender, age, etc.?
                    6. kalibr
                      kalibr 1 February 2021 11: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: AAG
                      who works honestly, serves regardless of gender, age,

                      It is for them that the system should be sharpened!
                      But this was not the case before. There was paternalism - a product of petty-bourgeois psychology. And society was sharpened for him! That is why, by the way, it collapsed ... However, I just wrote about paternalism in Russia. The material is in my archive. Then he will go to moderation. You will be able to read it in about a week.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 31 January 2021 17: 54
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    don't you feel sick of yourself?

    On the contrary! I admire myself all the time! And there are reasons! I recently read a review of my book "Let's Die Near Moscow ..." Very cool! I didn't even expect it to be so ... And now my books were taken over by an electronic publishing house in Singapore. Of course, I was flattered to have 4 books in England and 6 in Germany. But 8 in Singapore is just fine! And 1400 articles on VO and 300 on Pravda.ru. Not everyone can do it, huh?
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  • icant007
    icant007 31 January 2021 18: 10
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    And 1400 articles on VO and 300 on Pravda.ru


    I have a practical question for you, no trick)

    It settles in your head, whatever you write? Or it happens, you open it and think, but I really wrote it? )
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 31 January 2021 18: 26
      +5
      What a pleasant and interesting question, Andrey! First, 80% of what I write about ... is not mine. These are translations and processing of other people's articles, monographs, archival materials, newspapers ... That is, purely journalistic work. Do you really think that I can know so much about bayonets or revolvers. And the same knights ... The main thing here is to have an idea of ​​what was written, good sources, and to give a high level of novelty. I try not to lower the bar below 90% of the text. That is, write in your own way, simple, understandable, interesting. With a minimum GFG index. Moreover, usually everything has links to sources, it makes no sense to simply write them in popular articles. But they are in the books. You can find and see. 20% are my memories, subjective, yes, but why should I lie? And if you read the comments, then many people write, yes, it was, I also remember. And to remember everything that has been written - excuse me, it will go crazy. I have long taught myself to forget as soon as the material came out of print. Now is it true what I wrote? Since there are links to newspapers, archives, it is obvious that this is true as far as it is written. Novels ... it's not all invented. Much - the stories of old relatives, stepfather, memoirs ... That's it. Does this answer satisfy you?
      1. icant007
        icant007 31 January 2021 18: 32
        -1
        Quote: kalibr
        Does this answer satisfy you?


        Quite. I didn't mean to diminish your abilities)
        I write down from time to time myself. And sometimes I look at my articles and do not know that it is me) And sometimes I do not remember at all what I wrote. It is not stored in memory.

        It was just interesting to know how you are)
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 31 January 2021 18: 35
          +1
          Quote: icant007
          It was just interesting to know how you are)

          Andrey! I am glad that you are writing. This is very developing. Is it not stored in the memory? Don't let that scare you. Smooth work properly. I have been writing some articles ... for years, collecting material. Then - bang, the missing link was found - off it. Just now ... my daughter came from the Caucasus from vacation and brought the photos that I was waiting for ... 10 years! 10 years there was a finished article and I could not finish it. There were no pictures ... and now!
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 31 January 2021 17: 42
    +4
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    since childhood: october, pioneer, Komsomol. The school not only taught, but also brought up

    More interesting books added their contribution. Now all the information from net and TV. TV: 20 channels and none of them educational. There is a channel for very little ones, with cartoons like "SpongeBob SquarePants" in which there is no semantic load, where there is something educational.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 31 January 2021 17: 51
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    I won't mention the rest. And now no one is taking care of children - they will put a smartphone in, and that's it!

    True, a child will not be able to listen to radio or watch TV for hours, but a smartphone is with him for a whole day. So parenting, depending on the smartphone.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 1 February 2021 04: 21
    +5
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    In the USSR, the state was engaged in the education of its citizens - from the very childhood: October, pioneer, Komsomol.

    And these people who were brought up under the USSR voted for Yeltsin, and protested against the State Emergency Committee, and then happily agreed to raze the country. A lot of those present here, also brought up in the USSR, at that time had shoulder straps, albeit not generals, but at least officers. Well, remember the oath, which you solemnly, with a machine gun in your hands, read out before the formation. And what, you raised the unit entrusted to you to defend the country when these creatures from Belovezhskaya Pushcha announced the abolition of the USSR? Oh, there was no order? And to show a reasonable initiative, how was it that the Charter of the Internal Service of the Armed Forces of the USSR prescribed in plain text, not just what was allowed for you?
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 34
    -2
    You are, of course, a "soldier" comrade Zyablintsev, but here you are right, (with respect).
  • bk0010
    bk0010 31 January 2021 17: 58
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    For this, in the USSR, there was a well-functioning system of education - it was called 2, and in the navy there was 3 year conscript service!
    Yeah. Only after such upbringing, these same people happily allowed the USSR to descend into the toilet, and then staged the 90s. Because there is no foolishness in my head, only a pragmatist.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 31 January 2021 18: 49
    +8
    Quote: Finches
    Stupidity from the head in 2 years is very well weathered.

    Eugene, what's the real nonsense? I am sure that the bulk is still not for the bulk, but against the plunder of the country and citizens. Yes, children should not by definition go to rallies, but what if adults are inert and fearful? Young people are far from being stupid and faster and more clearly distinguishes between falsity and lies of the authorities, they are more active and they have maximalism and lack of fear and domestic obligations.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 1 February 2021 08: 28
    0
    Quote: Finches
    emergency service! Stupidity from the head in 2 years disappears very well
    I have already spoken on this topic, I repeat. The army's rigid subordination fosters responsibility and self-control: having learned to unquestioningly follow the commander's orders, a person acquires the ability to set tasks for himself and not be distracted by his wishes from solving them. The hardships and hardships of military service educate will: a young man becomes stubborn in achieving his goals, capable of overcoming the "resistance of the material" - the difficulties and dangers of this path. Our ancient ancestors did not in vain invented an initiation rite for the guys.
  • The popuas
    The popuas 31 January 2021 16: 29
    +15
    But where are the children another article with a photo where I don't see children request Do you make people look like fools ... fool
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: Popuas
      But where are the children another article with a photo where I don't see children

      But the "patriots" do not see them either.
  • SaLaR
    SaLaR 31 January 2021 16: 53
    -3
    OnizheKids .......
    Yeah ... we don't understand sarcasm request
  • fif21
    fif21 2 February 2021 12: 50
    0
    Quote: SaLaR
    OnizheKids

    Not a whipped generation took to the streets. wassat The dream of the liberals has come true. What is not allowed to parents, the police can do. laughing Keep up the good work and get the Russian Spill Hoywenbins hi
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 31 January 2021 15: 14
    +2
    To educate not only with loving stroking on the head, but also (at least sometimes) with reasonable punishments for misconduct. Denying something is easy. How long have bad habits been banned?

    Well, they themselves answered about bad habits. No matter how much you educate, you can't knock bad habits out of your brains. And no upbringing can make a Russian out of a Russophobe. Just like their Navalny and Sobol do not make Russian patriots.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 35
      +6
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Just like their Navalny and Sobol do not make Russian patriots.

      what kind of "patriots" of crooks?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 31 January 2021 15: 39
        0
        Quote: Aerodrome
        what kind of "patriots" of crooks?

        Well, they are trying to prove the opposite to us. We cannot be brainwashed, but children are like plasticine, everything can be molded.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 45
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Aerodrome
          what kind of "patriots" of crooks?

          Well, they are trying to prove the opposite to us. We cannot be brainwashed, but children are like plasticine, everything can be molded.

          no, well, some and "urinotherapy" push through ... well, you can not be so "finished" shtop to drink urine? although ... they drink ...
        2. Kisa
          Kisa 31 January 2021 17: 21
          +2


          "Lyokha is the best, Lyokha is great. You can't hide your dear palace from him ..." - How are these lines now relevant)) Morgen knew two years ago))
          when you asked your children grandchildren how they live what theorists breathe damn
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 31 January 2021 15: 48
      +2
      And they were born with bad habits and Russophobia? Children should be dealt with from birth, well, of course I went over it, but from the kindergarten for sure. I am already silent about the school. And for people, like Uncle Scrooge's, only bucks are clicked and this also starts in kindergarten. And what will happen in the end, in my opinion, everyone understands.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 31 January 2021 16: 49
        0
        Quote: Ros 56
        well, of course I went over it

        No, we haven't sorted it out! Just right! Do you know how to teach a baby the mind? Develop tactile sensations at your fingertips. That is, to give not only smooth and plastic, but also pieces of wood, rough stones, pine bark, birch bark, teach how to cut with scissors as soon as possible ... This is elementary, but almost no one knows and does not do this. And then they want good kids .... ki!
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 31 January 2021 20: 21
          0
          Hmm, I didn’t know such subtleties, although I had twenty years of teaching experience.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 31 January 2021 20: 31
            +1
            Why are there so many books in the West that recommend all this to mothers and fathers? You may remember that there was such a teacher Nikitin, who developed a method of raising talented children. They walked barefoot, climbed trees. His book was published in Japan. And mine is in Russia, and after that we met at his house, and decided how to combine efforts. He told me a lot of interesting things then, about which I had no idea. Well done ... to use it on my daughter. Well, it was easier with my granddaughter.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 31 January 2021 20: 34
              +1
              I'll try on the youngest granddaughter, or maybe the older one. hi
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 1 February 2021 11: 41
                0
                Look at Nikitin's books. They must be online!
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 20: 21
        +2
        Quote: Ros 56
        And they were born with bad habits and Russophobia? Children should be dealt with from birth, well, of course I went over it,

        lacked... the daughter-in-law read fairy tales to her grandson when he was in the womb, began to speak six months earlier, the language is cleaner than the elders, and the mind is clearer and more lively. I even stammering with my little finger !!!, I stopped pronouncing the word (B) ... taught me ... I hiss to myself ... (and I want to yell ...)
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 31 January 2021 20: 27
          +3
          Maybe you're right. Today I watched the news on TV, a woman from Ukraine does not know what to do. A first-grader daughter comes home and declares not to speak Russian at home, otherwise the teacher said: Russian enemies are killing them too. Here the fun will come in 10-15 years.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 00
            +1
            Quote: Ros 56
            Here the fun will come in 10-15 years.

            You are late - she is already here and now
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 31 January 2021 20: 34
          +2
          Quote: Aerodrome
          not enough ... my daughter-in-law read fairy tales to her grandson, when he was in the womb, he began to speak six months earlier, the language is cleaner than the elders, and the mind is clearer and more lively.

          That's right! And if you give your child to listen to music, then you can develop musical abilities ... But if you listen to give this: your mother, and yours, so you and you ... Then a psycho and a potential criminal will grow up !!!
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 08
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Just like their Navalny and Sobol do not make Russian patriots.

      And the authorities, the current state can do it? With all the power of education and agitation?
    4. kalibr
      kalibr 31 January 2021 21: 28
      +1
      By the way, Vlad. You suggested to me a very interesting topic about social protection. I found a lot of interesting material. There will be 3 articles so far. It will be seen further.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 31 January 2021 15: 18
    +14
    If we discard the arguments about the economy, corruption, lagging behind the West and so on, then in the "bottom line" you will see a very simple, primitive:

    We, free, educated and successful people who do not steal, do not fight, are not in power, not journalists or propagandists, are against Putin. And all those who are for him are putinoids, uneducated and genetic slaves. "

    And all the rest of the "dregs" are wound on this primitive thesis.

    Why is it primitive? Are not the economy, corruption, lagging behind the West (putting it mildly) not the most important goals that those who are exposed by the authorities should strive for? Is it not necessary to fight nepotism, corruption? Or, according to the author, is this nonsense? Or you don’t need to deal with the economy either .. what a trifle .. just think of a gas station ..
    This is not at all dregs .. it is very important and the fact that nothing has been done in this direction for 30 years now directly affects the population decline of half a million a year. Is that a trifle too?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 January 2021 16: 01
      +10
      Quote: Svarog
      for 30 years nothing has been done in this direction; it directly affects the population decline of half a million a year. Is that a trifle too?

      Now the population decline directly depends on material well-being, which under capitalism leaves much to be desired. A simple working family is no longer able to feed, clothe and raise more than two children, but at least three children are needed.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 20
        +15
        Quote: tihonmarine
        A simple working family is no longer able to feed, clothe and raise more than two children, but at least three children are needed.

        Absolutely ... moreover, a simple working family cannot engage in full-fledged upbringing ... because every day for 12 hours to be at work ... and with an increase in the retirement age, grandmothers will also work (if you're lucky, of course) ..
        In order for people to give birth, a stable economic situation is needed, plus motivation from the state .. But under capitalism in Russia this will not happen .. which means the population of Russia will continue to decline .. And the words "no Putin, no Russia" will look even sadder .. No Russians (I don't like this word) - there will be no Russia either ..
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 16: 27
          +2
          For people to give birth, you need a stable economic situation
          In Finland, and the economy, and benefits, and confidence in the future, and the Finns do not want to give birth As well as the Belgians, Swedes, Englishwomen. Maybe there are other factors?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 33
            +7
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            For people to give birth, you need a stable economic situation
            In Finland, the economy, benefits, and confidence in the future, and the Finns do not want to give birth. Maybe there are other factors?

            And you impose a graph of oil prices from 2000 to 2020 on the demographic graph in Russia .. and maybe you realize something. Surprisingly, the birth rate grew (though not strongly) in the "well-fed" years .. And why?
            But if only confidence and motivation for citizens were offered .. then the order would be with demography .. and in general finding excuses is always easier than solving a problem .. isn't it .. and this is one of the most serious problems .. and it is not is solved .. like the rest .. enemies around .. patamuchta .. that Trump, now Biden is interfering with our women ..
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 16: 39
              +3
              And you impose a graph of oil prices from 2000 to 2020 on the demographic graph in Russia .. and maybe you realize something.
              Compare the level of wealth (and social security) in England, Switzerland, Norway - they all have 12 children, according to your logic - because the property level is high and practically does not depend on oil prices. Moreover, there is no Putin either (sometimes on TV comes out laughing ) But there is no trace of this. And vice versa, hungry (literally) Nigerians and other Sudanese breed like cockroaches.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 43
                +4
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Compare wealth levels

                The level of prosperity is one of the indicators .. I already wrote above .. you cannot retreat from the perception of information, problems or from the manual ..
                In addition to prosperity, there should be confidence in the future, motivation and propaganda from the state.
                What is propagandized in your England? right, same-sex love .. and from it, as you know, children are not born ..
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 16: 54
                  +2
                  What is propagandizing in your England?
                  How many years have you lived in the england laughing ? And how is it promoted here? And then I, as a straight was, and remained. Even the queen listened - and it didn't work wassat
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 1 February 2021 10: 41
                0
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                And vice versa, hungry (literally) Nigerians and other Sudanese breed like cockroaches.

                Where civilization has not touched there are many children, and in cities just like ours. And my friends In Lagos, Harcourt, Veri - one or two children, rarely three. In a city without money and in Africa, you cannot feed and educate.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 31 January 2021 16: 33
            -4
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Maybe there are still other factors?

            And they don't care, the main thing is to shout.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 31 January 2021 21: 19
              +2
              This is the main thing for you to blurt out. Here a friend wrote about Finland, I thought no one would check, I checked, here: "The population in Finland increased by almost 2018 people in 9, the population growth from January to March 000 amounted to 2020 people", there is no boom in the birth rate, but also a decline not. And we have minus almost half a million annually. https://myfinlandia.ru/strana/naselenie-finlyandii.html
              Well, is the population of Finland decreasing or not?
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 21: 31
                0
                the population of Finland is decreasing or not
                The population is not decreasing - "refugees" from Somalia and Iraq (now the Romanians have already cut the chip with benefitslaughing ) 8 each give birth. Namely, the Finnish population is still decreasing.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 21: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  "refugees" from Somalia and Iraq (now the Romanians have cut the chip with benefits) give birth to 8 pieces. Namely, the Finnish population is still decreasing.

                  That's the same Breivik because of this and took the rifle. He, a farmer, owed banks under 50 thousand dollars, but what kind of Somalis will sit on his neck?
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 21: 39
                    +3
                    That's it. And crumbled the young socialists (the youth wing of the ruling party is a young change wassat ), who were eager to settle in Norway even more Somalis dear to their socialist hearts.
                2. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 1 February 2021 10: 03
                  0
                  In Finland, the admission quota is 1000 people per year .. From Somalia, 6700 people have arrived all the time - the main Balts and the Russian Federation .. very few blacks .. and how many arrive in Russia per year? you have to objectively look at the picture .. I think an order of magnitude more comes to us .. despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of indigenous Russians leave us every year .. ie. they are, as it were, citizens accounted for by statistics, but in fact they are not in the country ..
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 16: 53
            +2
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            In Finland, and the economy, and benefits, and confidence in the future, and the Finns do not want to give birth As well as the Belgians, Swedes, Englishwomen.

            Do you have confidence?
            Over the past two decades, the number of days off work has dropped by more than one and a half times, according to The Times and the Office for National Statistics. If in 1997 the number of sick days off averaged 6,9 days, in 2017 this figure dropped to 4,1 days. UK employment centers claim that workers often come to work unwell for fear of losing their jobs, thereby lowering productivity. The UK's Royal Institute for Personnel and Human Development noted that companies reporting sick employees in the workplace has more than tripled since 2010. Smartheads from the UK's National Static Service acknowledge the increase in working patients, but adds that the overall decrease in the number of disabled days off work is also associated with improved lifestyles and life expectancy.
            Figures of English researchers also show that the working people in the private sector are much less sick than in the public sector. Analysts of the statistics service explains that there are more elderly people working in the state sector and more substantial payments for sickness.

            What confidence is there?
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 17: 00
              +1
              Do you have confidence?
              Exactly. It's just that before, citing indisposition, they could go for a hangover (a lot of times I did this), but now it becomes bad form. If there is a certificate from a doctor (sick note), then it is unrealistic to expel "at once". I checked it myself.
              What confidence is there?
              The benefit system has not yet been canceled. As well as free trade union labor lawyers. Or do you want to compare and argue?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 17: 02
                0
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Or do you want to compare and argue?

                The people are afraid of losing their jobs, but will you rub in on me here about benefits?
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 17: 10
                  -3
                  The people began to drink less, it is too expensive. Therefore, the number of "sick" has decreased. Coming to work "treated" is dumb here, yes.
                  People are afraid of losing their jobs
                  Firing is at least not easy. In any case, Svarog clearly meant that children in Russia cannot afford it. Here they are quite affordable (or you will argue), but there is no boom in the birth rate. And in Nigeria, where there is nowhere to work, they breed like rabbits. Can you explain, since svarog could not tongue
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 18: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    The people began to drink less, it is too expensive.

                    The people began to drink less, because they moved on their own wheels.
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    Firing is at least not easy.

                    Easy. As one of us was fired, who did not want to quit. We stand and smoke. The boss saw him:
                    - Go here...
                    - Yes, everyone smoked!
                    - I didn’t see everyone, I saw you.
                    So you can get to the bottom of any garbage. Why was Luzhka fired? Loss of trust, yeah
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 18: 19
                      0
                      Easy. How we got one fired who didn't want to quit
                      And it was in London or in Liverpool good ?
                      The people began to drink less, because they moved on their own wheels.
                      A pint in a pub-600, your double jintonic-1100, a pack of cigarettes-1300. It's a little expensive even by local standards. Wheel availability (if you are talking about cars wassat ) has not changed. But alcohol for 10 years has doubled, as far as I remember.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 18: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Was it in London or Liverpool?

                        This is with us, in Mother Russia.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        A pint in a pub-600, your double jintonic-1100, a pack of cigarettes-1300.

                        We broadcast on different waves, in my opinion.
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 19: 00
                        +1
                        We broadcast on different waves, in my opinion
                        Most likely. But you gave me a quote about the heavy share of British employment, and I answered, relying on my experience in relation to England. Something like this.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 19: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Most likely. But you gave me a quote about the plight of British employment

                        And this is my own article based on statistics from the Royal Institution and the British Times. About three years ago I scribbled it, it turned out to be of no use to anyone. laughing
                      4. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 19: 15
                        0
                        turned out to be useless
                        They began to drink less, and somehow it was not in the trend to skip for no reason. To really be able to fire, you need to talk. The reprimand is conducted as a mini-tribunal. You can (even need to) drag a union representative with you. If, nevertheless, they were pushed through the union with the help of their lawyers, to the court. But as a rule, if you get it all three times, you will lose the trial. In a word, you have to contrive. This is if there are no documents from the doctor. If there is, even there will be no penalties. In short, smoking from work is not easy.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 19: 27
                        -2
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        In short, smoking from work is not easy.

                        Maybe there is no dispute. Why do they get sick at work, if you can scratch your personal belongings under the covers at home?
                      6. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 19: 41
                        0
                        Why do they get sick at work then?
                        And the first three (usually) days are not paid. And if, in a state of a hangover, the loss of a part of the pay seems to be significant in comparison with labor for the good of the state without the opportunity to heal, then a toad will strangle a person. Money is needed even in England yes ... In addition, if this trick is repeated often (this is all recorded and the explanatory note signed by you goes to your personal folder), there will still be problems. Not to mention, overtime and job promotions will become unscientific fiction. But 9 out of 10 such diseases are a wild hangover. And everyone knows that.
                        By the way, this is precisely why civil servants "get sick" more often - they are paid for these three days. The budget is big smile
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 19: 52
                        -4
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        And the first three (usually) days are not paid

                        Get out! And I somehow drunk in the 90s screwed up from a two-meter height onto a pile of bricks. Two weeks at home I was ill, everything was paid, in this regard, everything was fine with us since the days of the USSR, only I wrote an explanatory note, like I slipped on wet steps, woke up - my back hurts. And now figs who will pay, you come with a hangover, and they will also pay a fine.
                      8. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 19: 57
                        +1
                        Stumble
                        Without a paper from a doctor -sick note-, you can get sick for 5 "working" days. With her, until they bury am .If caught cancer (or something else), then half a year sick leave, and then benefits. Much depends on the contract, but in general it is somehow so.
                2. Svarog
                  Svarog 31 January 2021 21: 11
                  +3
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  The reprimand is conducted as a mini-tribunal. You can (even need to) drag a union representative with you. If, nevertheless, they were pushed through the union with the help of their lawyers, to the court. But as a rule, if you get it all three times, you will lose the trial. In a word, you have to contrive. This is if there are no documents from the doctor. If there is, even there will be no penalties. In short, smoking from work is not easy.

                  Are you talking about England or Russia? In Russia, you will fly out in no time .. and the trade union will not help and the labor inspection ... they will be dismissed quickly without noise and dust .. this I tell you for sure laughing
                3. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 21: 20
                  +1
                  In Russia, you will fly out in no time .. and the trade union will not help and the labor inspection.
                  England, that is
                  right, same sex love
                  despite such propaganda in England, they still practice more in Russia laughing
              2. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 31 January 2021 21: 24
                +1
                But we have to expel from work: 6 seconds.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 10
    +6
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    The people began to drink less, it is too expensive.

    Sure?

    There is always an alternative laughing
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 21: 24
      -3
      There is always an alternative
      We talked about England and stability there at the suggestion of Mordvin. By the way, you can't drive here without a license - a criminal offense sad ... You can put bragul and freeze it (you cannot distill it) - the legislators are clearly ignorant of this matter.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 31 January 2021 22: 05
        +3
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        By the way, you can't drive here without a license - a criminal offense

        This store is very scared of your criminal liability laughing And such devices are sold in many hyper-supermarkets of the capital. And this picture was taken in a small town
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 31 January 2021 22: 17
        0
        in many hyper-super-markets of the capital
        Especially for those who have Wi-Fi in the tank - a speech about the English realities of life yes In Russia, it is not forbidden to drive "for oneself" (otherwise there will be no one to protect all convicts sad ). In the UK, driving is prohibited (freezing and twisting on a drill, no, because local legislators clearly do not know about these steampunk technologies). My notes on the procedure for dismissal and the high cost of an unhealthy lifestyle are also about England.
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 1 February 2021 07: 45
    +3
    The people began to drink less, it is too expensive.
    Sure?
    There is always an alternative to laughing

    is it like an argument in favor of the drinking population? We have shops of fishing supplies at every turn, but this does not increase the number of fishermen. There are official methods for determining the state and trends. And reposting cheap pictures is an Internet trolling activity.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 31 January 2021 16: 46
    +7
    Quote: Svarog
    In order for people to give birth, you need a stable economic situation, plus motivation from the state.

    And so that women could not work, but raise children! And they graduated from the pedagogical courses after they were "carried away." She carried it - a march to the courses, but there are no courses - there is no maternity capital!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 48
      +10
      Quote: kalibr
      And so that women could not work, but raise children! And they graduated from the pedagogical courses after they were "carried away." She carried it - a march to the courses, but there are no courses - there is no maternity capital!

      This is 100% success. If a woman can not work, without prejudice to the family budget, then she will definitely be happy to give birth and three children in every family will not be a problem. And the courses are very important, in general I completely agree. good hi
  • New Year day
    New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 01
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Now population decline directly depends on material well-being

    Forgot about the level of development and availability of medicine.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 31 January 2021 16: 18
    -9
    Quote: Svarog
    Are not the economy, corruption, lagging behind the West (putting it mildly) not the most important goals that those who are exposed by the authorities should strive for? Is it not necessary to fight nepotism, corruption? Or, according to the author, is this nonsense? Or you don't need to deal with the economy either .. what a trifle .. just think of a gas station.

    And your idol will do it. Seriously?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 26
      +13
      Quote: Dart2027
      Quote: Svarog
      Are not the economy, corruption, lagging behind the West (putting it mildly) not the most important goals that those who are exposed by the authorities should strive for? Is it not necessary to fight nepotism, corruption? Or, according to the author, is this nonsense? Or you don't need to deal with the economy either .. what a trifle .. just think of a gas station.

      And your idol will do it. Seriously?

      I have no idols .. unlike you ..
      Personalities are not important to me, the program is important to me. A socialist can only do this .. and who he will not give a damn to me. No one controls the state anyway. There is a team, a team of socialists will certainly pull Russia out ... this has happened more than once in history. And the team of capitalists has repeatedly proved its insolvency for 30 years.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 31 January 2021 16: 33
        -10%
        Quote: Svarog
        I have no idols .. unlike you ..
        Personalities are not important to me, the program is important to me.

        And that's why you're drowning for Navalny?
        Quote: Svarog
        There is a team, a team of socialists will certainly pull Russia out ... this has happened more than once in history.

        Not once?
        Quote: Svarog
        And the team of capitalists

        And to whom did the USSR lose?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 39
          +10
          Quote: Dart2027

          And that's why you're drowning for Navalny?

          Give at least one comment where I am drowning for him ..

          Not once?

          Of course .. the tsarist government in Ingushetia brought Russia to a complete disaster .. who pulled out?
          Did Maslyukov not save the young reformers?
          And to whom did the USSR lose?

          The USSR lost to Khrushchev .. he surrendered everything and everyone .. and it started off .. But under Salin everything was normal and the war was won and the first in everything became and even prices were decreasing every year .. and they even began to think about the four-day working week ..
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 31 January 2021 17: 21
            -2
            Quote: Svarog
            began to think ..

            From "steel" to a huge distance was introduced! Under Khrushchev, people began to think about communism in 1980 ...
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 31 January 2021 17: 31
              +10
              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: Svarog
              began to think ..

              From "steel" to a huge distance was introduced! Under Khrushchev, people began to think about communism in 1980 ...

              I would like to say that the dynamics of development under Stalin was very high. Under the rest of the leaders, degradation began, but it began with Khrushchev .. But the dynamics of acceleration that Stalin gave was so powerful that, by inertia, even today we feel it .. although already weakly .. Take the same artels .. because they are strong pushed the economy, and Khrushchev banned them .. In general, a lot of things Khrushchev shit .. and in all spheres he contrived and decomposition began with him. It could have been different.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 31 January 2021 21: 34
                +1
                Quote: Svarog
                It could have been different.

                No, it couldn't! The peasants came to the cities and that was what determined everything - their psychology. And Khrushchev needed even more of them to come to the cities, because 30-40 percent of the workers were engaged in hard physical labor! And power was a reflection of this psychology of the masses. No wonder it is said: every nation is worthy of its ruler!
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 31 January 2021 19: 35
            -3
            Quote: Svarog
            Give at least one comment where I am drowning for him ..

            So you are not defending the protests organized in his honor?
            Quote: Svarog
            the tsarist government in Ingushetia brought Russia to a complete disaster.

            Let's say once, and the rest?
            Quote: Svarog
            The USSR lost to Khrushchev .. he passed everything and everything .. and it started off .. But with Salina, everything is normal

            How weak the USSR was if one person could destroy it.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 13
              +6
              Quote: Dart2027
              So you are not defending the protests organized in his honor?

              Do you not admit the thought that people went out not "for" but "against"?
              Quote: Dart2027
              How weak the USSR was if one person could destroy it.

              And who is this lone hero? laughing
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 31 January 2021 21: 56
                -4
                Quote: Silvestr
                And who is this lone hero?

                Quote: Svarog
                The USSR lost to Khrushchev .. he passed everything and everyone

                Don't remember what you are writing about?
                Quote: Silvestr
                Do you not admit the thought that people went out not "for" but "against"?

                I am not against the Motherland, I am against the State. It was already.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 31 January 2021 22: 02
                  +6
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I am not against the Motherland, I am against the State. It was already.

                  Does the state need you?
                  For example, Putin said: there is nothing to hope for the state, everyone on their own. And what to do with it? "We did not send you!" - he said to the Afghans, now they say "you were not asked to give birth"
                  Where is the state? In "luxury" pensions or in Palaces, yachts?
                  Sorry, but if you are not on the Forbes list, then you are, like me, for a state one-time item. Do not blame me
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 31 January 2021 22: 04
                    -2
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Does the state need you?
                    For example, Putin said: there is nothing to hope for the state, everybody is on their own.

                    When was it different? IN THE USSR? Do not make me laugh.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 31 January 2021 21: 15
              +5
              Quote: Dart2027

              So you are not defending the protests organized in his honor?

              What do people think about Navalny coming out? Well, maybe 20 percent and because of him ... Although he does not offer anything .. he only exposes .. people come out who are tired of the mess and lawlessness .. and it is the protest that I defend .. and not Navalny .. you would lead this protest , all the same the protest would defend. People have a right to this. Our people are the source of power according to the Constitution .. or is it not so after zeroing? may have already added that the servants have no right against the boyars?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 31 January 2021 21: 57
                0
                Quote: Svarog
                What do people think about Navalny coming out? Well, maybe 20 percent and because of him ... Although he does not offer anything .. he only exposes .. people come out who are tired of the mess and lawlessness .. and it is the protest that I defend.

                Then again for all the good versus all the bad. The same is familiar.
            3. kalibr
              kalibr 31 January 2021 21: 35
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              How weak the USSR was if one person could destroy it.

              People do not understand what they write and what they say. And all their troubles come from incomplete knowledge.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 31 January 2021 21: 58
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                People do not understand what they write and what they say.

                I draw a practical conclusion from my opponent's words.
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 31 January 2021 17: 38
          +20
          Quote: Dart2027
          And that's why you're drowning for Navalny?

          But I'm not drowning for bulk. Rather, on the contrary, I do not mind at all that he was sitting. But with a little clarification. So that next to him, according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, were all sorts of Potanins, Deripaska, and other Rotenbergs. But here's what's strange. Surprisingly law-abiding patriots, law-abiding when it comes to bulk, begin to violently resent when the articles of the Criminal Code on the guarantor's entourage are tried on. What a very selective law-abidingness, however. yes
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 31 January 2021 19: 51
            +10
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            But I'm not drowning for bulk. Rather, on the contrary, I do not mind at all that he was sitting. But with a little clarification.

            Join hi Especially to clarifications good That is why people support the protests ... because they see that the laws have been written for ordinary citizens and require their implementation, but for themselves the laws are unwritten.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 31 January 2021 21: 59
            -6
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            But I'm not drowning for bulk. Rather, on the contrary, I do not mind at all that he was sitting. But

            but in fact for him. As for the rest, then with evidence in court.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 31 January 2021 22: 19
              +7
              Quote: Dart2027
              As for the rest, then with evidence in court.


              [media = https: //ok.ru/video/1782168293880]


              Did the guarantor explain it easily? Yes, the country was plundered. He knows. But thieves will not be imprisoned. Those who disagree can go to an unauthorized rally, but from the rally to the zone. yes
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 1 February 2021 19: 58
                0
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Did the guarantor explain it easily?

                Laws are not retroactive. This is the basics.
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 1 February 2021 20: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Laws are not retroactive.

                  And why is this statement? Or do you want to say that in the 90s in Russia it was legally allowed to engage in theft of state property?
                  Do you not understand the essence of the claims against Putin? A system has been built in Russia that is wholly and completely based on nepotism. Corruption and other pranks are just a consequence. Here's a simple question for you. How is it possible, for example, for Potanin, the author of embezzlement from the state for at least 40 billion dollars (those dollars, a quarter of a century ago, the current ones will be well over 100), hang with orders - For services to the Fatherland. Do you realize the degree of cynicism? A creature that inflicted damage on the country, comparable only to a war - a particularly deserved person. It doesn’t come to light that what is required of Putin is an extremely simple thing - compliance with the Russian Constitution. Which guarantor, he actually is. Not? An unenforceable requirement for the guarantor? Live by the law?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 2 February 2021 19: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Do you not understand the essence of the claims against Putin?

                    Sure. He does not allow the country to be ditched under beautiful slogans.
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Or do you want to say that in the 90s in Russia it was legally allowed

                    You probably did not find them.
                    1. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 2 February 2021 19: 49
                      +3
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Sure. He does not allow the country to be ditched under beautiful slogans.

                      Ahhh ... That is, the Constitution, we have, is not a constitution at all, but beautiful slogans. Bravo. It is extremely rare, gentlemen Zaputintsy, to allow themselves to so openly express contempt for the laws of the country in which they live. yes
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      You probably did not find them.

                      The little paw found it, it did. And I felt it to the fullest. Have you ever gone to bed hungry as a child? Me, yes, if that. Therefore, I will never recognize the legality of plundering Russia. And officials who do not want to punish the perpetrators of this looting will always be harboring criminals for me, and as a result, criminals themselves. Here is stupidly following the Constitution of the Russian Federation, and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Which you speak so contemptuously about.
                      Well, criminals are, by default, enemies of the state. From its essence. Whatever posts they hold, and whatever beautiful words they hide behind.
                      That's all. To conduct discussions with individuals who live according to thieves' morality ... Not my hobby.
                    2. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 2 February 2021 21: 04
                      -1
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Ahhh ... That is, the Constitution, we have, is not a constitution at all, but beautiful slogans.

                      Well, where is there about privatization?
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Therefore, I will never recognize the legality of plundering Russia.

                      This is your right, but at that time everything was exactly like that and it was not Putin who made this mess.
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Conduct discussions with individuals who live according to thieves' morality.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      He does not allow the country to be ditched under beautiful slogans.
                    3. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 2 February 2021 21: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Well, where is there about privatization?

                      There about equality all before the law. And if our guarantor wants to press bulk, then first he must , that's strictly from the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to seat various Potanins, Chubais and other Prokhorovs on bunks. Or abolish punishment for embezzlement for everyone. Legally. And not a personal decision - to plant that, and this, for the same, you are welcome. And if he basically does not want to fulfill his duties The Constitution entrusted to him ... That is purely from our own, Russian Criminal Code, he himself must go to those bunks. It's just the law. Simple for everyone. If according to the constitution, and not according to concepts.
                      And that is all. For. Lovers of selective application of legislation. disgust me.
                    4. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 2 February 2021 21: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      There is about the equality of all before the law.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Laws are not retroactive. This is the basics.
                    5. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 2 February 2021 21: 56
                      +3
                      For those in the tank. The Constitution, even of the previous model, fully guaranteed equal rights for itself, and did not give various potanits exclusive rights to steal state property. In the Criminal Code of the 90s, there was quite an article punishing such entertainment, it is in the current one. Also, according to all versions of the Criminal Code, the patronage of officials to such individuals is quite punishable. And your conjectures about "laws have no retroactive effect" is a banal idle talk. For gentlemen privatizers committed crimes, even according to the then Criminal Code, even according to the modern one. And the famous phrase - there will be no revision of the results of privatization, in itself pulls for an article. For in a direct and unambiguous form, it contains a refusal to prosecute criminals.
                      FSE. And before you say something about retroactive force, look through at least the Criminal Code, with the changes. To understand what kind of nonsense they are going to carry.
                      Dixi.
                    6. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 3 February 2021 19: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      For those in the tank. Constitution

                      Besides the constitution, there are other laws.
                    7. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 3 February 2021 20: 25
                      +3
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Besides the constitution, there are other laws.

                      Then would you be so kind as to provide the name and registration details of the law that allowed the theft of state property.
                    8. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 4 February 2021 19: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      authorizing the theft

                      The entire legislative framework of that time was complete.
                    9. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 4 February 2021 19: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      The entire legislative framework of that time was complete.

                      Oh how. All right, completely. Oh well. We open the Constitution. Yeltsin. We are looking for an article in it stating that citizens Potanin and Prokhorov have the right to receive state property. For free. We are looking, we are looking, we are looking, we are looking, and again we are looking, we are looking, and that's the trouble, we don't find. It turns out .... If you please, dear one. yes
                      So little paw. Be so kind as to give out the requisites of even the law, even the by-law, which says that stealing state property is allowed. Do you consider yourself a man? Well, men are responsible for their words. It just so happened historically. So ... Be so kind as to enter the studio, if you still consider yourself a man, and not a fishmonger. yes
                    10. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 5 February 2021 18: 43
                      -2
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Oh well. We open the Constitution.

                      That is, the fact that the constitution is not the only law did not reach you? It's sad.
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Be kind enough to give out

                      proof that someone stole something. And at the same time, explain why you have not yet submitted them to the prosecutor's office.
                    11. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 5 February 2021 19: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      proof that someone stole something.

                      Potanins all sorts, took a loan from the Ministry of Finance, and the money received was transferred to the Ministry of Finance, on the security of shares. According to the Accounting Chamber, the transaction is sham. According to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - fraud. Mega-large.
                      Again. What law allowed to steal state property? Why does the same prosecutor's office, to which you refer me so persistently, does not react to the conclusions of a very official body? Why is our guarantor not going to comply with the constitution and fulfill his duties as officials?
                    12. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 6 February 2021 06: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      All Potanins took a loan from the Ministry of Finance, and the money received was transferred to the Ministry of Finance, on the security of shares. According to the Accounting Chamber, the transaction is sham.

                      And why do you have the evidence, and not the prosecutor's office?
                    13. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 6 February 2021 13: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And why do you have the evidence, and not the prosecutor's office?

                      This is actually the question I ask from the very beginning. Why the prosecutor's office does not care for all the evidence. And the guarantor does not care about the indifference of the prosecutor's office. Conclusions suggest themselves so to speak. Already the 22nd year, as they suggest.
                      Honey ... And may I ask? Personally, did you run your hand deeply? In the state pocket? Such a fierce defense of criminals ... Yes, without personal interest? It's fantastic. yes
                    14. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 6 February 2021 15: 58
                      -1
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      This is actually the question I ask initially.

                      That is, you had evidence and you gave it to the prosecutor's office?
                    15. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 6 February 2021 16: 34
                      +2
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, you had evidence and you gave it to the prosecutor's office?

                      The evidence was with the Accounts Chamber. What you have already been told about 3. This time. If the prosecutor's office and the Investigative Committee do not want to start cases on their own, although this is their job, they must be dispersed, one and the same, and re-staffed. And so, until it helps. If someone forbids them to initiate proceedings, he should be jailed. This two.
                      And three ... They tell you - Prosecutor Zapupyrkin takes bribes, protects drug dealers, and plays with pedophilia and cannibalism in his spare time. You answer - oh trouble, file a complaint with prosecutor Zapupyrkin.
                      I do not argue. You are great at mowing like a fool. So that's all. I close the dialogue. Only advice. Do not play the same zakos. And the impression is that you can no longer leave the role. yes
                    16. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 6 February 2021 19: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      The evidence was with the Accounts Chamber.

                      Who dismantled and did not initiate a case? Have you seen them yourself?
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      You are great at mowing like a fool.

                      That you are self-critical.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 04
    +8
    Quote: Dart2027
    And that's why you're drowning for Navalny?

    Looks like you don't know your opponent laughing his hero Platoshkin
    Quote: Dart2027
    And to whom did the USSR lose?

    Own elite, who slept through everything and betrayed. Which, by the way, is happening today. What do you think, why did Chubais jump over the hill?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 31 January 2021 22: 03
      -4
      Quote: Silvestr
      Own elite, who slept through everything and betrayed.

      This is exactly what I already ... once explained to lovers of a brighter future. Well, you will arrange a revolution, so what? People don't change and end up the same.
      Quote: Silvestr
      Which, by the way, is happening today.

      Something is imperceptible.
      Quote: Silvestr
      What do you think, why did Chubais jump over the hill?

      Chubais is a very interesting personality, about whom we will hardly be told the truth for another 100 years.
  • Revival
    Revival 2 February 2021 00: 22
    +1
    I guess that also won't do
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 18: 55
      +4
      But the street had one very important educational function. The street taught us to be responsible for our words. It was impossible to hide behind some abstract nickname, it was impossible to use spyware, which supposedly could not be traced. We just spoke on our own, or referred to whoever said it. And if someone was lying, the street's response was brutal.
      The otvetka of the street was always short and instructive, even the seasoned "convict" was all in "partakas". never, never exhibited a "trifle" as insignificance, always respectful, they took a moped under the "word of honor" to drive for a port bag, it was funny how backward "convicts" , fresh anti-theft "are looking ... everyone was laughing and they too ... found, of course .. they went, and they gave me a trifle for gasoline, like everything was" exactly ", according to the rules, you don't touch, they don't touch you, it was a wonderful time ... and if there is any emergency, everything is rearing ... the help was not real, as from relatives.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 19: 16
        -1
        Quote: Aerodrome
        they took the moped under the "word of honor" to drive for a port bag,

        Somehow, drunk, I took a fox from the boy, went for moonshine. Well, I remembered my youth, accelerated from a hill, figs knows how much, turned into the forest, and on a hummock my steering wheel turned down. I flew about five meters, in short, and to top it off, this fox crashed onto my hump. Everyone almost burst with laughter when they found out that the liter was intact and for some reason did not break.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 31 January 2021 20: 09
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Everyone almost burst with laughter when they found out that the liter was intact and for some reason did not break.

          class ... did you fix the guy's motorcycle?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 22: 05
            0
            Quote: Aerodrome
            class ... did you fix the guy's motorcycle?

            Why fix it? The steering wheel turned upward, and all the cases. It was a fox, not a motorcycle.
  • Rose capone
    Rose capone 31 January 2021 15: 19
    +22
    And where else, to declare their claims to those in power, about unemployed parents, robbed poor pensioners, grandparents, lack of social lifts among young people, about extortions on TV for sick children against the background of the Taj Mahal in Gelendzhik and so on. About violated Article 31 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cat. reads: Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, processions and pickets.
    Who recently forced to VOTE for the Constitution? The people "voted".
    So what.....?
    You just don’t need to STEAL, you don’t need to drag what you have stolen into your holes, you don’t need to take bribes, you don’t need to take kickbacks, you don’t need to ..... Those in power and specials. service has forgotten it.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 31 January 2021 15: 47
      +18
      Quote: Rosa Capone
      And where else, to declare their claims to those in power, about unemployed parents, robbed poor pensioners, grandparents, lack of social lifts among young people, about extortions on TV for sick children against the background of the Taj Mahal in Gelendzhik and so on. About violated Article 31 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cat. reads: Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, processions and pickets.

      Nezya .. nowhere nezya .. everyone should express general approval ... and admire the genius .. ingenious .. well, sometimes you can scold the officials .. but not much and without swearing .. according to the law .. so as not to offend and not offend the dignity of an official .. he (an official) can sometimes be bad .. but not a king .. a king cannot be bad, he is always good, he strives to make the life of an ordinary person better .. and if it doesn’t work out .. then officials and enemies are to blame .. the enemies everywhere .. so the children became wrong .. and their parents did not bring them up correctly .. parents are also not right .. in general, the people got so-so ..
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 54
        +6
        Quote: Svarog
        . in general, the people got so-so ..

        yes ... the people were not lucky ...
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 14
      +6
      Quote: Rosa Capone
      You just don't need to STEAL

      Why then do they need power? request
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 31 January 2021 15: 21
    +2
    “We, free, educated and successful people who do not steal, do not fight, are not in power, not journalists or propagandists, are against Putin.

    All this was described by Gene Sharp in 198 Methods of Resisting Power.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 46
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      “We, free, educated and successful people who do not steal, do not fight, are not in power, not journalists or propagandists, are against Putin.

      All this was described by Gene Sharp in 198 Methods of Resisting Power.

      straight about Putin there? not a fig for yourself .... + if that's mine.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 31 January 2021 16: 19
        -2
        Quote: Aerodrome
        straight about Putin there

        No about you.
    2. Revival
      Revival 2 February 2021 00: 25
      +1
      You're lying right now, but it's no surprise
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 15: 30
    +8
    If we discard the arguments about the economy, corruption, lagging behind the West and so on, then in the "bottom line" you will see a very simple, primitive:

    Why did you, comrade Domokles, discard the most important thing, eh?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 January 2021 15: 30
    0
    On the contrary, I see the media and the Internet, including social media, as one of the ways to communicate with the world.
    fool To have the right to communicate with the world, you must pass the maturity exam from the beginning.
    To understand what is hidden in the heads of friends and enemies.
    fool And why do you need this, and what are you going to do with it?
  • Pilot
    Pilot 31 January 2021 15: 34
    +18
    Children need to be educated, and not spit on their fate
    At first, the bourgeois state spat on children, and now children spit on such a state. Dot.
    ,, What you sow is something and you reap ,, (c)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 January 2021 15: 43
      +11
      Quote: Pilot
      At first, the bourgeois state spat on children, now children spit on such a state.

      Everything returns like a boomerang without disappearing without a trace.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 48
      +10
      Quote: Pilot
      At first, the bourgeois state spat on children, and now children spit on such a state. Dot.

      well class! how beautiful you say ... +
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 18
      +10
      Quote: Pilot
      At first, the bourgeois state spat on children, and now children spit on such a state.
      not only children are worried about it
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 15: 34
    -19%
    Children.. lol it has long been necessary to introduce criminal liability from the age of 12. Parents should not be held responsible for the scumbags ... because if you missed it once, it cannot be returned, and the punishment for the parents will not change the situation in any way.
    Therefore, from the age of 12, responsibility is in full, and yes, no children's zones, let them go to the general regime.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 31 January 2021 15: 37
      +13
      Quote: purple
      Children .. it has long been necessary to introduce criminal liability from the age of 12

      What is already there ... immediately registered as soon as he was born in the police ..
      Parents should not be responsible for the thugs ...

      And who should be responsible, the state? Offer everyone to orphanages?
      Therefore, from the age of 12, responsibility is in full, and yes, no children's zones, let them go to the general regime.

      mdya ..
      1. purple
        purple 31 January 2021 15: 45
        -9
        Quote: Svarog
        What is already there ... immediately registered as soon as he was born in the police ..

        Strange proposal ... but I'm not surprised
        Quote: Svarog
        And who should be responsible, the state? Offer everyone to orphanages?

        if completely unmanageable, then to camps, labor therapy ... If there is even a drop of understanding, then to the cadet corps, so that they can teach good things. It's useless to babysit them, believe me. nothing good will grow.

        Quote: Svarog
        mdya ..

        yes, in the children's zones, they will just continue what they did in the wild. For them I will say so it will be even better
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 31 January 2021 15: 52
          +14
          Quote: purple
          if completely unmanageable, then to camps, labor therapy ... If there is even a drop of understanding, then to the cadet corps, so that they can teach good things. It's useless to babysit them, believe me. nothing good will grow.

          How many children do you have? Why should I believe you wassat I myself was such that people like you, I should be sentenced to death .. but I became a normal person .. I raised three of my children .. one not my own and was also far from a gift in my youth .. but nothing, I became a good person.
          yes, in the children's zones, they will just continue what they did in the wild. For them I will say so it will be even better

          I would not let you in on a cannon shot to the educational process ..
          1. purple
            purple 31 January 2021 15: 56
            -8
            Quote: Svarog
            How many children do you have? Why should I believe you wassat I myself was such that people like you, they should sentence me to death .. but I became a normal person .. I raised three of my children .. one not my own and was also far from a gift in my youth .. but nothing, became a good person.

            two, and do not go to rallies, drugs are not used and quite normal guys. But believe me, there are many .. who can do anything you like, even kill, even rape ... then they will say ... we are youngsters and we will not get anything for it. Parents ... they don't care. they can do anything .. at most they are threatened with being brought to the police ... where they will simply scold and blame everything on their parents ...

            But your opinion ... they are children .... understand and forgive
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 09
              +12
              Quote: purple
              two, and don't go to rallies,

              Mine, too, do not go .. but this is not an indicator, a good person or a bad one .. this is only an indicator of indifference to the country and intolerance to all the mess .. plus youthful maximalism and naivety .. So for these qualities you are ready to break a person's fate? In general, it is also called patriotism. Another question is that someone is in control of this .. and managers need to deal with it .. and in parallel, take into account the opinion of their own citizens and engage in the development of the state .. and not the satisfaction of their own psychological complexes ..
              But believe me, there are many .. who can do anything you like, even kill, even rape ... then they will say ... we are youngsters and we will not get anything for it.

              I believe .. and I know .. but there will be more and more of them, with such an attitude of the state towards citizens .. This is a state problem, it lies in the field of education .. and social justice. They used to teach at school, but now they provide a service. Do you feel the difference? For each student, the class teacher had a characteristic, and objective and the quality of the teachers themselves was significantly higher .. In general .. not letting go and forbidding is the dumbest and easiest way to bury the problem .. but not to solve it.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 49
      +7
      Quote: purple
      it has long been necessary to introduce criminal liability from the age of 12.

      with 2x ... my grandson swore ... kindergarten ...
      1. purple
        purple 31 January 2021 15: 51
        -11%
        Quote: Aerodrome
        with 2x ... my grandson swore ... kindergarten ...

        what does it have to do with it? Or stood in the wrong turn when the brains were handed out?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 31 January 2021 16: 32
          +15
          Quote: purple
          what does it have to do with it? Or stood in the wrong turn when the brains were handed out?

          Yes, your mother in childhood not only did not teach "wisdom", but also politeness. Will you get better? Or will you go straight to jail?
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 15: 58
        +7
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: purple
        it has long been necessary to introduce criminal liability from the age of 12.

        with 2x ... my grandson swore ... kindergarten ...

        for what minus then? I didn’t teach it ... I brought it myself. wassat another "additive", began to twist a finger at the temple ... maybe this "kindergarten" is nafig? (and began to kick)
        1. purple
          purple 31 January 2021 16: 03
          -14%
          exactly ... got up in the wrong turn
      3. BIABIA
        BIABIA 31 January 2021 16: 14
        0
        The main thing is to watch less of our films / TV series. There is now a math and nudity solid. It's fashionable, eprst. Hence the mat in the kindergarten. Parents watch with children. It seems that the film / TV series is not bad, and the plot is there, and the actors are not bad. But through the word mate sad sad I'm not talking about families, where they speak it. Everything is clear here.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 16: 12
      +10
      Quote: purple
      Therefore, from the age of 12, responsibility is in full, and yes, no children's zones, let them go to the general regime.

      Why not strict?
    4. Kushka
      Kushka 31 January 2021 19: 00
      +4
      If in your opinion, the GDP, which has grown in St.
      gateways, a straight kid then still had to be hidden
      to the zone for those "orders" which at that time in these gateways,
      and not only in St. Petersburg, they were. And half of the country with him
      boys in a post-war country while parents in three shifts
      plants and factories were rebuilt. Samopal, this is the most harmless
      what we then had in our pockets at school.
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 19
      +5
      Quote: purple
      Therefore, from the age of 12, responsibility is in full, and yes, no children's zones, let them go to the general regime.

      The height of stupidity! Did the prison fix you?
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 15: 57
    -9
    Quote: Svarog
    I would not let you in on a cannon shot to the educational process ..

    You have nothing to do there either ... believe me ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 31 January 2021 16: 12
      +11
      Quote: purple
      Quote: Svarog
      I would not let you in on a cannon shot to the educational process ..

      You have nothing to do there either ... believe me ...

      My grown children say that I have all the rules .. I'm proud of them. So don't believe wassat laughing
      Funny you .. constantly insist that you would be believed .. Why? Thus, you want to give more importance to your conclusions? But they are not correct. Believe me laughing wassat
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 18: 15
        +9
        Quote: Svarog
        Funny you .. constantly insist that you would be believed .. Why?

        Volodya, well, he himself believes the First Channel ...
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 20
      +4
      Quote: purple
      You have nothing to do there either ... believe me

      Believe you, deceive yourself. Do you have children?
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 31 January 2021 15: 58
    +4
    Only it is not clear why the appeal to the youth was blamed on Navalny's team. I have never seen such a call from them. But I came across the mailing of messages about the upcoming rally from the school several times. Someone's children wrote receipts at school that they would not go to the rally. The results are quite expected
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 31 January 2021 21: 40
      +4
      Yes, the authorities were terribly scared, they gave a command to collect receipts from schoolchildren. And then they say: "Who needs this Navalny?" The circus is crazy, they think people don't see it?
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 31 January 2021 15: 59
    +9
    How tired I am of TV and radio, and the Internet. And not because they exist. And, willy-nilly, I have to listen to what they say there.


    You can't watch Channel One, and then read VO. Highs don't mix.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 18: 15
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      How tired I am of TV and radio, and the Internet. And not because they exist. And, willy-nilly, I have to listen to what they say there.


      You can't watch Channel One, and then read VO. Highs don't mix.

      yes you are my friend gourmet ... drinks
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 January 2021 16: 02
    +1
    Previously, they did without lisping and mantras "onizhedeti". And rights were brought along with responsibilities. And not necessarily just words. Nobody really bothered about our workload. There was enough time for study, for circles, and for work. And they did not disdain social loads. The principle was simple - you can't keep your child busy, he will definitely find an adventure for himself. Here they are now and find.
    1. purple
      purple 31 January 2021 16: 06
      -10%
      Here is a sound comment, I fully support ...
      Not like whiners like Svarog
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 18: 28
        +6
        Quote: purple
        Not like whiners like Svarog
        or
        purple
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 23
        +4
        Quote: purple
        Here is a sound comment, I fully support ...

        И
        Quote: Captive
        There was enough time for study, for circles, and for work. And they did not disdain social loads.

        How are you with the logic? A man wrote about the Union, and where are you staying now? - In feudalism
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 18: 34
      +3
      Quote: Captive
      The principle was simple - you can't keep your child busy, he will definitely find an adventure for himself.

      Come on. Didn't you find it earlier, or what?
    3. The comment was deleted.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 31 January 2021 16: 02
    +7
    And how can a citizen get through to the authorities if they don't want to hear him?
    The West is, first of all, "strong" by the rules and laws that everyone observes. From here we have to make a start, and not like that - "we are all equal, but there is always someone who is more equal."
    1. purple
      purple 31 January 2021 16: 07
      -7
      Quote: Dimid
      And how can a citizen get through to the authorities if they don't want to hear him?
      The West is, first of all, "strong" by the rules and laws that everyone observes. From here we have to make a start, and not like that - "we are all equal, but there is always someone who is more equal."


      Well ... law and law ... France, America ... it's okay, right?
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 31 January 2021 16: 17
        +5
        Don't juggle. If no one is doing bullshit (looting, vandalism, etc.), the police do not intervene.
        In the States, they saw at rallies, in general they walk around the city with weapons and nothing, the police are not very excited, the license for the right to carry was checked and walk and wander
        1. purple
          purple 31 January 2021 16: 34
          -4
          Quote: Dimid
          Don't juggle. If no one is doing bullshit (looting, vandalism, etc.), the police do not intervene.
          In the States, they saw at rallies, in general they walk around the city with weapons and nothing, the police are not very excited, the license for the right to carry was checked and walk and wander

          laughing lol
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 26
        +5
        Quote: purple
        Well ... law and law ... France, America ... it's okay, right?

        Normal or abnormal, you can argue having lived here and there. The bottom line is who is the world's first economy? Where is the scientific potential? How many French and American young scientists have moved to Russia for permanent residence?
      3. Revival
        Revival 2 February 2021 00: 35
        +2
        How many were arrested, shot and killed during the occupation of the capitol in Michigan by armed protesters?
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 31 January 2021 16: 25
      -3
      what We have the opportunity to see this "fortress" with our own eyes. And how "all" the rules are observed too. The West has let you down now. And those "who are more equal" there are also immeasurable. In general, only kids can believe such statements.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 31 January 2021 17: 01
        -5
        Actually, now we are not talking about us, but about you. Our government reacts poorly to emerging problems and hears popular sentiments.
        Vaughn adopted the law "on the peoples of the people".
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 28
        +3
        Quote: Captive
        The West has let you down. And those "who are more equal" there are also immeasurable. In general, only kids can believe such statements.

        Do not count your chickens before they are hatched . If Chubais does not bring indulgence to our elite, then look at the ending laughing
        - The line for the snuffbox will line up laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 31 January 2021 16: 02
    0
    First you need to educate your parents (# 1 and # 2).
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 31 January 2021 16: 06
    +2
    All rushing from education removed the function of education. During my childhood, a former military German from the Volga region taught German here. So he had discipline in the classroom as in a military school. And in our school there were children from a district that had a bad reputation in terms of crime. But it never even occurred to the most desperate ones not to fulfill the teacher's order. And there are no words to strike. Although we fought constantly after school. But they never kicked the fallen one. For this you could get from your own. But the girls did not fight once, the upbringing was completely different. The USSR was the USSR.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 31 January 2021 16: 38
      -4
      Quote: tank64rus
      But the girls did not fight once, the upbringing was completely different. USSR it was the USSR.

      But their children fought in full. And the girls ... And again everyone, except the parents, is to blame, right? They are saints, from the USSR ...
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 18: 45
      +3
      [quote]
      .All rushing from education removed the function of education. During my childhood, a former military Volga region taught us German
      apparently you and I, judging by the year, were sipping from the same pot, a German ... taught us strangely, forced Goethe's poems, teach, Schiller ... and these ... "pionirehaisenvir" ... hit on the head with a slipper ... but the "ordnung" was perfect in the class ... and they loved him, oddly enough ... the "drove" was "shribikus", and it was an honor for everyone to help him bring his briefcase home ... (why was he carrying it there?) Goethe, we read and taught twice ... in two languages. maybe he had both languages ​​there ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 31 January 2021 16: 06
    +1
    I do not somewhat justify the involvement of young people in the political showdown of another thief, I would even like to say about the absence of a future for the overwhelming majority of young people in the country and those who went to the rally in particular. Elevators are broken, education is not very much paid and is poor in many ways and a lot of unnecessary professions to teach en masse, forget about housing. The upbringing of society and moral principles are also broken, up to 10 years old a child can be good, and after that he begins to see what his parents instilled in him (goodness, honesty, decency), in this country it is unnecessary for anyone and only hinders. This should not be so, this is a direct path to the disintegration of the country. And it is far from that time period that they call stagnation - today there is a stagnation of society with all the consequences in the future, and very soon.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 31 January 2021 16: 10
    +6
    ... But, we saw that militants and fascists had already appeared in the ranks of the protesters.


    Who are we"? Where are the fascists? Are the Sigs being thrown? "Heil" shouting? Is the author crazy?
    1. purple
      purple 31 January 2021 16: 13
      -8
      Quote: sergo1914
      Who are we"? Where are the fascists? Are the Sigs being thrown? "Heil" shouting? Is the author crazy?


      There are no zigzags ... there are liberal fascists, those who do not agree with their opinion should be killed right away in their opinion ... Liberal fascism ...
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 31 January 2021 16: 15
        +7
        Quote: purple
        Quote: sergo1914
        Who are we"? Where are the fascists? Are the Sigs being thrown? "Heil" shouting? Is the author crazy?


        There are no zigzags ... there are liberal fascists, those who do not agree with their opinion should be killed right away in their opinion ... Liberal fascism ...


        Are there varieties of fascism? Fuck yourself. Did I miss something?
        1. domokl
          31 January 2021 21: 19
          -4
          Watch the video from the rallies. You will see masks with numbers 14 88 ... Further yourself
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 36
          +4
          Quote: sergo1914
          Did I miss something?

          Of course! laughing Day off in the madhouse request - Yesterday, one thinker said that German fascism was created by the Jews to destroy the USSR
      2. Dimide
        Dimide 31 January 2021 16: 49
        +1
        Wow, I always thought that your "helmsman" is the main liberal in the country. It turns out "where the dog rummaged." Liberal fascism, however!
      3. saigon
        saigon 31 January 2021 18: 45
        +5
        The fascists, sir, are for your information the adherents of a certain Bennito Mussolini Italians, and in translation from vulgar Latin and in general comrades in arms.
        There can be no liberal fascists, by definition, very, very different ideologies, and all the same the German National Socialists zigged.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 31 January 2021 16: 18
    +8
    Tired of the heaviness of their knowledge and of the exorbitant incomprehensibility of the audience, our gurus are already broadcasting for themselves. Listening to one thing on TV, but seeing something else in life, people begin to resent. People are manipulated from different sides. And they also provoke stupid decrees. I read new regulations on gas, electricity, small potatoes, a continuous nonsense. A person will no longer call to fix something. Then why should he run into a fine. It's easier to invite from the outside. Everything starts small. And a flame from a spark.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 41
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      Listening to one thing on TV and seeing another in life, people begin to resent.

      Note, this was the case during the late Union
      Quote: nikvic46
      I read new regulations on gas, electricity wiring, small potatoes

      Lost dead wood, new fines and rules for car maintenance, etc.

      Quote: nikvic46
      It all starts small and a flame from a spark

      Undoubtedly! Only vague doubts torment me that all this is deliberately done by someone in power. Would a reasonable official start introducing new levies with the deteriorating well-being of the people?
      Big events await us, unfortunately for all of us
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 31 January 2021 16: 19
    +5
    ABOUT! How many benefits from Navalny! Remembered education ... laughing
    The author did not answer the question: "HOW to educate"? ... In the educational system, in fact, they educate so much that there is "indigestion of the brain". An educational task is prescribed for each lesson. But none of this works. For the most part, the second generation is already infantile and rude. And some talented guys in business, sports and heroes of Syria are rather an exception.
    1. domokl
      31 January 2021 21: 25
      +1
      Why are they an exception? They are the generation. In the early 80s, I also heard from the front-line soldiers that we were not them, our intestines were weak ... Then he himself spoke the same words to his son before leaving for the south. And there is one way to the question of how to educate. Proven and really works - Do as I do ...
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 31 January 2021 22: 36
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        Do like me.

        Absolutely agree! Fathers of families, teachers should be an example! Nothing smarter upbringing over the past thousand years has not come up with .... But the "fathers" often give a negative example. Most of my students are surprised when they make comments about mate: "And this is how mom and dad communicate. And what is wrong with" these "words?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 46
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      The author did not answer the question: "HOW to educate"?

      Forgot - "Who" will do it? Teachers are running out of school, do not forget how you Teachers draw the EP numbers in the elections.
      And it's not about Navalny! The point is the collapse of the entire state system.
      Quote: samarin1969
      For the most part, the second generation is already infantile and rude. And some talented guys in business, sports and heroes of Syria are rather an exception.

      Do not rush with words. About 50 Belarusian officers filed for resignation after the order to send them to Syria.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 31 January 2021 22: 56
        +2
        You know how to write short and succinctly, Sylvester. hi

        Teachers are running away from school, do not forget how you Teachers draw the EP numbers in the elections.

        A very strong exaggeration. For obvious reasons, teachers keep the attendance figure. According to EP - a myth !!!

        About 50 Belarusian officers filed a letter of resignation after the order to send them to Syria


        I would be glad to be wrong. Among my friends there are those who honor the family and the law, some fought for the Crimea and Donbass. But there are few of them. I saw fewer good professionals in my life than the fingers of a healthy person ... But an article about children (under 18). Even mathematically I see how each next generation degrades. 2-3 years ago I would not have put it so categorically. From the remarks on VO, I understand that the majority of our generation still lives with the ideas of the school of the times of Leonid Ilyich.
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 16: 19
    -3
    Quote: Svarog
    So for these qualities you are ready to break the fate of a person? In general, it is also called patriotism. Another question is that someone is in charge of this .. and managers need to deal with it .. and in parallel, take into account the opinion of their own citizens and engage in the development of the state .. and not the satisfaction of their own psychological complexes ..

    Understand ... if children do not give a damn about the opinion of their parents, then the parents missed something in their upbringing ... or they raised it on purpose. Therefore, such parents in the future will no longer be able to give a good child ... And as for the age ... at the age of 14 children can be done ... but no answer ... well, it's just ridiculous. already adults, and they themselves must think. they can't think or don't want to .. that's their problem. All crime arises from impunity
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 31 January 2021 16: 34
      -1
      Quote: purple
      Understand ... if children do not give a damn about the opinion of their parents, then the parents missed something in their upbringing ... or they raised it on purpose.

      Exactly! Parent- (a word prohibited in VO) is not an authority!
  • kakvastam
    kakvastam 31 January 2021 16: 20
    +3
    It is best to educate by personal example, but with this we now have big problems.
    Moral authorities in society are not visible from the word at all, well, their box does not show, and they do not write about them on the Internet. They probably exist, but has anyone heard of them?
    And if senior officials and supreme hierarchs constantly give rise to doubts about their sincerity, then is it any wonder that people of all ages are ready to believe any swindler?
    In addition, the actions of the authorities often suggest that many officials work part-time for a completely different owner ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 47
      +3
      Quote: kakvastam
      Educating by example is best.

      Here is the family and brings up: seeing lies on TV and the realities of life. Everything is like in the Union
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 16: 24
    -5
    Quote: Svarog
    I believe .. and I know .. but there will be more and more of them, with such an attitude of the state towards citizens .. This is a state problem, it lies in the field of education .. and social justice. They used to teach at school, but now they provide a service. Do you feel the difference? For each student, the class teacher had a characteristic, and objective and the quality of the teachers themselves was significantly higher .. In general .. not letting go and forbidding is the dumbest and easiest way to bury the problem .. but not to solve it.

    where did you see not letting go and prohibiting ... I ask only the appropriate punishment for brutal youngsters who can now do what they want .. and they will not get anything for it
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 31 January 2021 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: purple
      where did you see not letting go and prohibiting ... I ask only the appropriate punishment for brutal youngsters who can now do what they want .. and they will not get anything for it

      It's strange that you are being minus. hi Probably people don't read the news at all. Teenage delinquency provides horrific examples every day. And you are undoubtedly right: everything is from impunity! Half of the children just sit in the subconscious that they cannot be guilty of "pranks" until they are 18 years old. Respectable dads and grandfathers in VO simply cannot imagine what the "flowers of life" are doing now.
      In other countries, at least they are trying to solve the problem of children's lawlessness. The "Chinese Method" is a harsh, uncompromising discipline in learning and behavior. "Western pragmatism" - to separate the "hooligans-idlers" from the "well-mannered, purposeful".
      Well, if the child goes into politics, then let him be ready for "adult demand." In politics, as in war - they don't look at age. Politics don't care who you are, "kibalchish", "navalnist", "scout", etc.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 48
      0
      Quote: purple
      I ask only the appropriate punishment, for brutalized youngsters who can now do what they want .. and

      This word was not in your opus. But the question arises, why are they brutal?
      What did the Boomer say? - "This is not us, this is the time." Ponder
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 16: 25
    -6
    Quote: Svarog
    My grown children say that I have all the rules .. I'm proud of them. So I don't believe wassat laughing
    Funny you .. constantly insist that you would be believed .. Why? Do you want to give more value to your conclusions? But they are not correct. Believe laughing

    I am glad for you that you can be proud of at least something in your life ...
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 16: 26
    -2
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: purple
    Therefore, from the age of 12, responsibility is in full, and yes, no children's zones, let them go to the general regime.

    Why not strict?

    well, for some crimes you can be strict
  • Bradley
    Bradley 31 January 2021 16: 27
    +7
    In this situation, what scares me is that if a student supports Navalny or wants to, or goes to rallies, then this threatens him with expulsion. Even Article 5.35 is being shoved.


    The father, who came to pick up his son detained in Vnukovo, was threatened to be detained under Article 5.35


    “Children are intimidated.” Schools and universities complain about pressure and threats due to actions in support of Navalny
    Is this normal?
    1. purple
      purple 31 January 2021 16: 36
      -7
      they are not intimidated, but explained what will happen
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 31 January 2021 16: 46
        +11
        they are not intimidated, but explained what will happen

        What will be for what?
    2. old man
      old man 31 January 2021 16: 46
      +4
      If children (their own, of course) become impudent, do not listen to their parents, then they should be torn with a belt (in order to stimulate the brain). The system of upbringing, mindless children, tested over the centuries.
      And almonds with green juveniles are already crawling out sideways for parents and surrounding adults.
      This is short without exercises.
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 31 January 2021 17: 06
        +3
        If children (their own, of course) become impudent, do not listen to their parents, then they should be torn with a belt (in order to stimulate the brain).

        At the age of 16, the personality is already developed, and therefore, if you hit with a belt due to the fact that the child does not do what you want, at least it is not normal. This is already the imposition of your "I".
        The child is brought up mainly at school and in the yard. This can only be changed by locking it in four walls, i.e. - isolate.
        1. mark2
          mark2 31 January 2021 18: 14
          -1
          At the age of 16, the personality is already developed, and therefore, if you hit with a belt due to the fact that the child does not do what you want, at least it is not normal. This is already the imposition of your "I".


          Ha-ha! three times!
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 53
      +5
      Quote: Bradley
      Is this normal?

      This is stupidity! By expelling students for political convictions, the authorities are raising the "Ulyanovs". And it is not known what else - Alexander or Vladimir? But what can you take from an uneducated thug and decide in power?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 31 January 2021 22: 06
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        By expelling students for their political convictions, the authorities are raising the "Ulyanovs".

        That is, if they had not been expelled, they would not have become revolutionaries?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 31 January 2021 22: 08
          +2
          Quote: Dart2027
          That is, if they had not been expelled, they would not have become revolutionaries?

          History does not know the word "if". But if you look around, everywhere and everywhere young people were the driving force behind the protest.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 31 January 2021 22: 34
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr

            History does not know the word "if". But if you look around, everywhere and everywhere young people were the driving force behind the protest.

            Sylvester, don't be cunning. The driving force behind the protest has always been and will be - Money! Or the protest will be a quiet "kitchen" one. wink
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 1 February 2021 19: 50
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            But if you look around, everywhere and everywhere young people were the driving force behind the protest.

            Due to the fact that youth, in principle, tends to rebel. Actually, some psychologists believe that people who constantly protest are just mentally not matured teenagers.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 31 January 2021 16: 29
    +7
    Those other people's children, in respect of whom I hear calls to punish, send to special schools, deprive of some rights, etc., I am of little interest ...

    The truth is yours. Who may be interested in other people's children. Children who are not given proper housing after being kept in orphanages; or children whose health cannot be treated in Russia (free of charge); or children who live from hand to mouth because their parents cannot provide them with normal living conditions ...
    Therefore, children must be brought up, and not give a damn about their future fate.

    They are brought up in school, where from an early age they are taught the skills of obeying either money or brute physical strength. The school became a center for instilling "concepts."
    To educate not only with loving stroking on the head, but also (at least sometimes) with reasonable punishments for misconduct.

    How can you raise a child who considers the moment of his birth to be the main offense in just such conditions, in such a country where purely mercantile interests are at the head of everything?
    But the prohibition will be in effect only when the child himself begins to understand and accept it.

    What should a child understand? Say it in a few sentences? Respect elders who have lied to such an extent that they themselves do not understand where the truth is and where is the lie? Protect nature, which belongs to a handful especially gifted gifted citizens? What lies ahead for him? Kholuy share and humiliation by slave labor with a penny salary and endless loans?
    Yes, you can read lectures on the topic of law and justice as loudly and for a long time as you like. All this has long and successfully been crossed out by "wise decrees and laws" and "breakthrough reforms" ...
    It's still warming up. Soon these children will have to say to someone: "You are welcome to the table - it is boiling!"
  • kalibr
    kalibr 31 January 2021 16: 33
    +4
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    In the USSR, the state was engaged in the upbringing of its citizens - from the very childhood: october, pioneer, Komsomol. The school not only taught, but also brought up - I still remember that when talking with people, you need to get your hands out of your pockets! I won't mention the rest. And now no one is taking care of children - they will put a smartphone in, and that's it!

    That is, to give birth to a child was smart enough. And then let the Octobrists, the pioneers, the Komsomol do it. The school should ... but how ... And where did you write that first of all it should be FATHER AND MOTHER? Not school, but FATHER AND MOTHER. School gives knowledge. Raises a FAMILY! This is a revelation, right? I'm wrong, of course ...
    1. Dimide
      Dimide 31 January 2021 17: 20
      +2
      Half good.
      What if a mother and father plow from dawn to dawn without seeing the white light, in order to feed the child and give a better share than they have?
      This is where both the school and the "pioneers with the Octobrists" should be involved.
      I agree that the foundation is laid in the family, "what is good and what is bad", and then the personality is formed by the "environment" and what it will be ... that will be the personality
    2. saigon
      saigon 31 January 2021 18: 54
      +2
      Upbringing is an uninterrupted process and parents and school and the street child perceives everything.
      It is not possible to educate only the parents, the child does not grow up in a vacuum, though during the time the parent's applied educationally applied method works.
      But in the light of new trends, the child understands he wants, maybe he does not answer, the whole pedagogy collapses.
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 16: 34
    -3
    Quote: sergo1914
    Quote: purple
    Quote: sergo1914
    Who are we"? Where are the fascists? Are the Sigs being thrown? "Heil" shouting? Is the author crazy?


    There are no zigzags ... there are liberal fascists, those who do not agree with their opinion should be killed right away in their opinion ... Liberal fascism ...


    Are there varieties of fascism? Fuck yourself. Did I miss something?

    Yes
  • purple
    purple 31 January 2021 16: 39
    -6
    Quote: ROSS 42
    What should a child understand? Say it in a few sentences? Respect elders who have lied to such an extent that they themselves do not understand where the truth is and where is the lie? To protect nature, which belongs to a handful of especially gifted citizens? What lies ahead for him? Kholui share and humiliation by slave labor with a penny salary and endless loans?
    Yes, you can read lectures on the topic of law and justice as loudly and for a long time as you like. All this has long and successfully been crossed out by "wise decrees and laws" and "breakthrough reforms" ...
    It's still warming up. Soon these children will have to say to someone: "You are welcome to the table - it is boiling!"

    It's funny ... If a person wants to work and has the ability, then he will have everything, this should be taught ... and not that the bulk will come and everything will be fine, we will dispossess everyone, we will take it away .. and so on. already passed ... don't.
    If he wants to be a slave, then it will be for them, if he wants another, there will be something else, everything is in their hands.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 1 February 2021 11: 51
      0
      dispossessed, divided, subtract, this is not necessary, I agree with you ..
      But to steal (it is clear that one way or another it exists in all countries and it is absolutely impossible to eradicate it) it is necessary to be more modest .. roughly speaking, I gave the country a ruble, I got 10 kopecks .. and not 50-70 .. then no one listens to Navalny there will be development and there will be no rallies .. under received, I mean, of course, not a bribe or useless interlayer firms, but contracts, tenders, etc. on real projects from which the development of the country goes and the well-being of people grows .. the so-called long-term money, which few people want to earn here, they want here, all at once ..
      And Navalny .. You have already been told above .. at the rally, the majority are not for, but against .. and, first of all, wild corruption ..
      "If a person wants to work and has the ability, then he will have everything, this must be taught ..."
      but we often go where salaries are higher, and there is no ability for anything .. for example, a doctor / teacher .. until at least you start getting something - 5-10 years you need to plow for a penny .. and family housing rest, wait until 40kA? therefore, it is easier to trade or the security forces, they immediately pay normally, only for the development of the country there is little benefit ... it is not normal when the average salary (which is really 25-30 thousand, and even if it was, as they say, 45) neither save up nor give birth to children ..
      therefore, plowing from morning to evening (to the detriment of family and other "non-monetary" aspects of life) in order to simply live more or less average by civilized standards is not the norm ..
  • ee2100
    ee2100 31 January 2021 16: 52
    +6
    How easy it was for everyone to grasp the general trend - the whole problem of protests was channeled into "children are the human shield of the opposition." And they suck only this message.
    The topic of protests is not discussed at all. Well done!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 54
      0
      Quote: ee2100
      ... And they suck only this message.
      The topic of protests is not discussed at all.

      There are no protests laughing
      Ostrich position.
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 31 January 2021 22: 39
      +2
      And this is the main idea of ​​demagogues - to blurt out the essence of the issue, to distract from the main thing, to direct the discussion to extraneous topics. And they do not want to discuss the main issue, i.e. : Why did people come out and were not afraid of clubs?
  • 1536
    1536 31 January 2021 16: 52
    +7
    Until we return to Russia the concept "honor and glory for work", no "draconian" measures, no "carrot", no exhortations will work. Alas, since Soviet times, we remember this sacramental: "He knows how to live ..." Or "if you want to live, be able to spin." Yes, in the USSR, alas, in certain circles it was welcomed. But then it was skillfully hidden by propaganda, and the "craftsmen" themselves did not advertise themselves. However, the so-called "acquaintances", "connections", "hairy hands" brought our country to ruin.
    Today the opposite is true. We do not know our hard workers. We know neither businessmen working 25 hours a day, nor workers building houses or roads in 20-degree frost, nor engineers, thanks to which our military is today to protect the people from gaping neighbors, nor managers, thanks to whom there is no deficit in the country we don't know them. But various types of provocateurs, "waxwings", inept, openly mentally ill, people who live off other people's labor, and often slave labor, etc. we see the public every day, we see how they “know how to live,” “turn around,” thanks to the fact that they have the “right” to mock those who cannot do this. It is necessary to take away this right from them, to return the content to the slogan "honor and glory according to work."
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 31 January 2021 17: 04
    +6
    Block ... Force ... Shield children from Western influence ... And the like. Doesn't it resemble the Great Wall of China? Or "Yatsenyuk's wall"?

    What is the impact? West? Yes, now and the West is not needed, everything is here. Whatever your heart desires, according to your interests. How many children went to the other world because of likes? So what? Did the Americans do that? Once I saw, by chance, in the media as one such non-guy was tried. He led the group, persuaded minors to commit suicide. Quite a normal man, in appearance. And in your soul - who is he? And there are a lot of them on the promotor of the Internet. And to close, ban all this shit will not work.
    Children must be kept busy. Busy up to their ears: study, sports, work, hobbies ... They should not have a lot of free time when you don't know where to put yourself and your energy ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 31 January 2021 21: 56
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      Children must be kept busy. Busy up to their ears: studies, sports, work, hobbies

      But the main thing is that children should have Successful Self-Sufficient Family
  • Comrade I
    Comrade I 31 January 2021 17: 06
    +2
    So where are the children? In the same photo for the article, only the girl in the center is questionable. The rest (among those who can see faces) are clearly over 18.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 31 January 2021 17: 10
    +4
    As a representative of youth (23 years old), I will answer. What can you offer us? Why should we support the current government? What ideology is in power? And most importantly, we are brought up on the values ​​of the West, from films that are saturated with the values ​​of the West to pictures, where the West is the embodiment of freedom and dreams. Therefore, there are a lot of young people who would like to leave. If there was an opportunity, such as visa-free travel with the EU, at least half of them tried to leave. Because in fact - what connects us with this strange, besides being born here? Why do we fight here, why do we need confrontation from the West, if we share their beliefs (not all, but most). Therefore, while you were working and sitting here, dreaming about how great we are, how we will show the West Kuzkin Mother, the West brought up your youth, which is simply saturated with the spirit of the West. Young people would come out more if they were not afraid of dropping out from school to other problems.
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 31 January 2021 17: 26
      -3
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      Therefore, while you were working and sitting here, dreaming about how great we are, how we will show the West Kuzkin Mother, the West brought up your youth, which is simply saturated with the spirit of the West.

      If you're 23, then your parents are in their early forties. And by the collapse of the USSR, they themselves were children and they themselves grew up in a different, non-Soviet reality. And Westerners have always been. It's not about time, but about the quality of upbringing.
      Some, in their 20s, are still giving their lives for their Motherland in a distant country. And someone and 76 years ago ran to the enemy for a piece of bacon.
      1. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 31 January 2021 19: 25
        +6
        Quote: FIR FIR
        Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
        Therefore, while you were working and sitting here, dreaming about how great we are, how we will show the West Kuzkin Mother, the West brought up your youth, which is simply saturated with the spirit of the West.

        If you're 23, then your parents are in their early forties. And by the collapse of the USSR, they themselves were children and they themselves grew up in a different, non-Soviet reality. And Westerners have always been. It's not about time, but about the quality of upbringing.
        Some, in their 20s, are still giving their lives for their Motherland in a distant country. And someone and 76 years ago ran to the enemy for a piece of bacon.
        For this I have grandfathers and grandmothers who lived during the Soviet era, I also found my great-grandmother and great-grandfather. Well, excuse me that people are inherently conformists and a piece of bread is more important than helping the country far away. Therefore, the USSR fell, as people were tired of living in dreams that someday paradise would come, you just need to be patient, but they wanted to live here and now
    2. Dimide
      Dimide 31 January 2021 17: 30
      +3
      Through the mouth of a baby speaks the truth (don't be offended, I'm 50 hi )
    3. RitaNik
      RitaNik 1 February 2021 02: 59
      0
      In your opinion, is there a political person now that people of your generation could support in the next presidential elections?
      1. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 2 February 2021 15: 54
        0
        Quote: RitaNik
        In your opinion, is there a political person now that people of your generation could support in the next presidential elections?

        Navalny, how sad and funny it sounded. At the moment, only he has rallied the disunited youth, because in his program one can see from right-wing views (Visas from Central Asia to social and left-wing agendas) After all, young people are now divided into liberals and nationalists. These are the two most powerful ideologies among us. The rest are not even close. If you are interested, I can describe in more detail what we are.
        1. RitaNik
          RitaNik 3 February 2021 08: 34
          0
          Write it down. Interesting to know.
          1. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 7 February 2021 21: 06
            +1
            Quote: RitaNik
            Write it down. Interesting to know.

            The text will be a little messy, I immediately apologize for that. To understand who people from 16 to 30 are, you need to understand what values ​​we are pursuing. First, we must immediately divide us into two camps. These are those who are fond of politics: Watching Navalny, other leaders and actively delve into this movement: they argue on the Internet, scoop tons of information and try to figure out why life in Russia is not as good as they paint us on TV. Of course, there are those who support Putin, but every year there are fewer of them. For example, in 2014 there was a peak of Putin's popularity, I was in grade 10 then, we discussed it all, there was a consultation with our teachers that it was right that we returned Crimea to our native harbor, that we should help Russians in Ukraine and not only. That is, all generations were united by a single goal - this is "Russian Spring". Years passed, I entered the university (autumn 2015) and already among my classmates, opposition sentiments began to slip (then we and you did not feel the impact of the sanctions and the collapse of the Ruble). As I recall, they discussed why only Crimea, why did we stop? And so far away, I remember, in 2016 they called for a rally in honor of the Crimea and we walked calmly (yes, they fed us with the fact that they would put down on physical training) But there was no disgust or understanding that we were going in vain. It was 2016 and we already realized that, for example, PC hardware had risen in price by 2 times, and all the rest of everyday life, and we began to think, for the Crimea, we got a collapse of our dohov in 2 times? (In fact, of course, not so) But when is good technology , for example, until 2014 a middle-class washing machine cost from 20-40, then in 2016 a good washing machine started from 40 and then the components and assembly were already worse. And here I and we are friends more and more imbued with opposition sentiments. As the epic with the Crimea ended, the standard of living fell, it does not get better. And we began to wonder, was it worth it? Was the confrontation of the West over the Crimea worth it, since we are so dependent on them? I already keep silent about investing in the Russian Federation, I will not even go into this polemic. And 2017 comes. It turns out that Navalny (about whom then among my age + -5) only a few knew a huge exposure of Medvedev. And young people who were out of politics, but who had questions, why do we live worse, the same Estonia? They got an answer. And went running. If until 2017 there were no youth in politics, there were only a few, and the rest said I was not fond of, then from 2017 youth entered politics for the most part. Meetings are an example of this. And went running. I remember the times when they turned from pro-government supporters of Putin into oppositionists. When in the group, in the university, and in the VK publics, the oppositional mood, or rather our youth word "Hate" of the authorities, grows more and more. And you know, all this could have been tried how to settle it, but the authorities did not react. Or rather, it only began to make things worse when they did not insult us from TV. But most importantly, they did not try to talk to us, try to bring to us a different point of view than Navalny. They did not do it and for 3 years he dominates the Internet, no one can resist him. Because young people do not watch TV, and even more so on the federal channel. After all, the authorities conveyed their position only there. But she informed you, not us. The power began to move only at the beginning of 2018 before the elections, and even then a little, bought bloggers so that they would be attracted to us in the elections. But so you know, already at that moment we were not only not fashionable to support the authorities, but already despised for it. Even the Bloggers, to whom they brought money, they very, very tried to gently convey the views of the authorities and the PR choice, and when these bloggers were exposed to work for the Kremlin, their millet was destroyed by the same hypocritical bloggers and subscribers. I can continue to tell similar examples, but at the moment, if we analyze popular publics, for example, in VK "MDK" there are 12 million subscribers. That post with some kind of politics will collect up to 90 percent of the insult and negative statements towards the authorities. I’m already silent that if there is a supporter of Putin among us, then at the moment it is dangerous for him to speak among his peers, as in his face he is silent alone negative.
            Second, let's talk about ideology among us. In fact, most of us are illiterate in politics. They do not understand the basics of political devices (because social studies were not interesting, where everything told) I am already silent about the knowledge of History, few among us understand this more or less, the rest have a mess. I will not go into the reasons, as it is a long and difficult topic. But still, judging by those who fumble and understand and those who do not understand, but they have a position. Then we can be divided into two powerful camps. These are "liberals" in quotation marks, as the word liberals here mixes everything from socialists to anarchists. But they all have one thing in common: democracy, freedom of speech, fair courts, freedom of the individual, the fight against corruption. The second largest are nationalists, conservatives, the same liberals, but more right-wing, monarchists. All of them are united by love for RI and for its past, or rather for Russian chauvinism. When they were afraid of us, the Russians were in charge. But, besides, they do not like the USSR very much, you understand why (And in general, there are very few people among us who like the USSR and communism. For the majority, it is a backward country where Russians were killed.) I will not go into details either. ) Only two camps, yes, there are communists among the youth, but there are so few of them compared to these two camps. But as I said, most people have porridge here. A guy who considers himself a liberal can safely drown against migrants and globalism.
            Navalny - did what no other opposition candidate could do, he united youth of different views under a common goal. The goal is against Putin and his friends in power. Therefore, among his supporters of the calm, one can also find liberals who are for globalization and close friendship with the West to nationalists. Yes, according to the same program for the 2018 elections, it can be seen where he tries to please everyone.
          2. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 7 February 2021 21: 07
            +1
            Quote: RitaNik
            Write it down. Interesting to know.

            The most important problem of all this, because Navalny is in many ways wrong and many who support him, in fact, there is a delving into their views, they do not support him, but he became more of a reason than a reason. Therefore, many who left, they were not for Navalny, but rather could be against his views and so on, and they left because of dissatisfaction with the authorities.
            Now I will try to convey to you how it happened. That young people in their mass are not just oppositional, I would even say that they are Russophobic. Russophobia here is manifested in the fact that everything is bad in Russia, that even the good authorities will not do it - this is bad, but abroad everything is fine, there even excrement smells of violets. How did it happen? It's simple. The authorities did not work with us. The teachers did not tell us why we should be proud of the country, why we have such problems in the country, we did not have any circles that somehow united us, no goals. We were simply left to exist. And then they picked us up. Picked up by Western culture. She not just picked up, but she fed, covered with a blanket, kissed her forehead and put him to bed. After all, Western culture does not just dominate, it simply ousted everyone else. The culture here manifests itself in the worldview and values. The values ​​of freedom, the value of money, the value of the individual. All this is saturated with us. We fully or almost completely share the Western way of life. And this translates into protests. After all, what is the main agenda? Against corruption, against authoritarianism, against censorship. Where is this from? From the west. Therefore, it all happened, we were not taught to love our homeland, we were not taught to figure out why Russia has such problems, but we simply did not speak to us. After all, we are stupid children, we do not understand anything, yes, this is so, but the fact remains that every year there are more of us, and there are fewer of you. And this is already evident. How the government is trying to communicate with us, but it doesn’t work out, it understood this, as it didn’t cover rallies before, didn’t speak, but insulted, called 2 percent excrement, they didn’t talk to the federal channel, or they didn’t say much, but what happened on January 23 - everything changed. They detained more and more, more and more aggression, on the federal channel all week they said how bad we are, we want to ruin the country and do not understand anything, and then it comes to the understanding that now they began to perceive us as an enemy, and not as children playing in a sandbox. Is this good or bad? It's hard to say how I believe that the train has already left, that the opposition mood among us cannot be changed. For example, the Youth Army, which was created with the aim of educating young people, does not work. As I know from there people who went there only because of privileges and indulgences. (Albeit a particular example, but still there is a place to be) After all, if it worked, then the authorities would have no difficulty in pulling out their supporters among the youth and thereby showing not only to you and the world, but also to us that we are not a whole, but there is no such thing - as there are few supporters of the Yunarmey power. After all, even if there are many of them, they will not speak, as if friends find out, then the conflict is assured.
            Therefore, as sad and sad it was, this is the reality and only we are to blame for it. But I want to say that in fact, we are not very different from you, we are just as kind and compassionate (after all, the volunteer movement is very popular among us and many young people are involved in it) Simply, we want change.
            1. RitaNik
              RitaNik 8 February 2021 10: 56
              0
              Thank you for your detailed and sincere answer.
              I would like your peers to express their opinion about everything that happens not only in social networks, but also on other sites, such as VO.
              1. Antonio_Mariarti
                Antonio_Mariarti 8 February 2021 18: 18
                -1
                Quote: RitaNik
                Thank you for your detailed and sincere answer.
                I would like your peers to express their opinion about everything that happens not only in social networks, but also on other sites, such as VO.
                I've been here for a long time, but I've met representatives of about my age by memory 2 times. It's easier on social networks, I wrote two or three words = an opinion and hardly anyone will argue with you (and if it does, it will be through insults) , and here I have left you a hundred answers already under your post and without insults. There are also sites in VK, more precisely, groups where you can talk on different topics, but they are mostly specialized in ideology.
            2. RitaNik
              RitaNik 8 February 2021 13: 40
              0
              PS As for Navalny as the leader of the protest, I personally think the most accurate assessment given by Strelkov in a recent conversation with Mikhail Enotov and Konstantin Speransky.
              1. Antonio_Mariarti
                Antonio_Mariarti 8 February 2021 18: 19
                0
                Quote: RitaNik
                PS As for Navalny as the leader of the protest, I personally think the most accurate assessment given by Strelkov in a recent conversation with Mikhail Enotov and Konstantin Speransky.

                I will look and listen to them) Thank you for your communication)
  • impostor
    impostor 31 January 2021 17: 36
    +2
    Slumbers behind the mountain
    The gloomy castle is mine.
    Sometimes it torments the soul
    Peace reigning in him.
    (c) King & Jester. Memories of a past love.
    “I will leave at that moment when I don’t have time to bore you. And you will remember me with a kind word because I didn’t get bored and didn’t become a man who earned money for you” - Mikhail Gorshenev.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 31 January 2021 17: 37
    -5
    It's disgusting to look at this herd bellowing, some primitive chants!
    Again fighters for everything good, against everything bad.
    We know, in 93 I had the opportunity to contemplate, thank God from the outside.
    Then they came out against the "totalitarian regime", supported Yeltsin, and then blundered: where is our welfare state? Where are the factories, where are the factories? Where are our salaries and pensions in the end?
    Forgot?
    Is the memory short?
    Now they went out supposedly against corruption and for Navalny?
    How would you not have to cry again later! stop
    1. RitaNik
      RitaNik 31 January 2021 18: 33
      +1
      ... "We know, in 93 I had the opportunity to contemplate, thank God from the outside.
      Then they came out against the "totalitarian regime", supported Yeltsin '...

      You probably meant 1991?
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 31 January 2021 22: 49
      +3
      In 1991, people did not starve, of course, but they saw an example of how they lived in Western Europe, so they wanted to live better, but people were deceived. Yeltsin also deceived his last-born, who is still making a fool of the people.
  • Radius
    Radius 31 January 2021 17: 42
    -1
    What can I say, if at least two-thirds of those present at the rally on the 23rd, came "just to see and for the sake of action, don't care what ..." ...
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 31 January 2021 18: 33
    -6
    Muzzle then what!) Immediately you can see the "oppressed and brought to the handle from hopelessness and arbitrariness of the authorities" people!)
  • l.jensen
    l.jensen 31 January 2021 18: 39
    +3
    I read your opinions with interest. I have a daughter. Would I punish her for taking part in the protest? Not. Most likely he spoke to her. I found out how interested she is in politics, what she wanted to change, how.? Whether she is familiar with the opinion of opponents of her opinion. If a child has a desire for politics, a desire to change something for the better, then this is probably a manifestation of patriotism. He can become a politician and really for the good. maximalism is characteristic of youth, but there is little knowledge. advise to look at the history of the country, what reforms were, how they changed the country, what came of it. I do not think that those who want to judge children are right, or to prohibit. Upbringing is the impact of social formation superimposed on the genetics of a child, therefore it is not easy. let them be active in life, let them freely express their opinions, enter into discussions, learn. Society should condemn violence and all kinds of illegal actions, but freedom to express one's opinion and be heard must be ... Something like this.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 20: 28
      -2
      I read your opinions with interest. I have a daughter
      it's good that I'm not familiar with you, at all. I didn't even stand next to you, honestly, I don't know at all ... I'm from another planet ..
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 January 2021 19: 55
    0
    Quote: AAG
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: lis-ik
    But really, either gopota or from the "green school".

    Most importantly, the scarf was given for free and a hat. And the banners will come in handy later.

    Well, in fairness, these "kids" were not thrown here by parachutes, and they did not cross the border with tied hooves ...

    Right, what's the conclusion? sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 January 2021 20: 19
    +5
    Quote: kalibr
    What a pleasant and interesting question, Andrey! First, 80% of what I write about ... is not mine. These are translations and processing of other people's articles, monographs, archival materials, newspapers ... That is, purely journalistic work ...
    It is now called that, and earlier this work had other names - plagiarism, and compilation. By the way, knight marshal you are published on what over the hill? This is me not in the sense of rummaging in someone else's pocket, but to the fact that it costs a certain amount of money, because your pension is not a deputy's? In addition, I am plagued by vague doubts that the Penza archives, in which you are rummaging for some time now, could have lost some of their materials, and may have ended up, to put it mildly, outside their repositories. winked Apparently there (in the archives) you have one of your own. Not? lol
  • BAI
    BAI 31 January 2021 20: 19
    +2
    I think that blogging, after the number of subscribers reaches some serious number (10 or 100 thousand), should automatically obey the same laws as the media. With all the ensuing limitations and responsibilities. You have to answer for words, including with a ruble or freedom.

    Was:
    Federal Law No. 97-ФЗ dated 05.05.2014, in which was added to the law No. 149-FZ of 27.07.2006, article 10.2 Features of the blogger's dissemination of publicly available information.

    The blogger was the owner of the site and (or) pages of the site on the Internet, on which publicly available information is posted and access to which during the day is more than three thousand Internet users

    The rights and obligations were prescribed.
    But I have already said many times that Navalny and others like him in the Government have a roof. Therefore (another confirmation of the existence of the roof), in order to ensure its activity and the like

    Federal Law No. 276-FZ "dated July 29, 2017 Article 10.2 of the federal law "On information, information technology and information protection" was declared invalid - the law on bloggers was canceled.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 31 January 2021 22: 57
      +2
      But I have repeatedly said that Navalny and others like him in the Government have a roof.

      This idea has long been pushed into society. And the idea is not entirely consistent - well, who is its curator in the government? Nobody will name, because this is absolute nonsense. Even if there is a secret patron, but rather a sympathetic one, he sits quietly and keeps mum, since he will instantly fly out of office if he betrays himself.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 1 February 2021 12: 02
        0
        and why he, being under a "condition", received another condition, and not a real term, as provided for by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? Why, with a bunch of administrative, as expected, did not replace the conditional real, while many "ordinary" people do this constantly and for less? it would all be - simple observance of laws, without politics .. but for some reason this is not ..
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 31 January 2021 20: 24
    0
    Children need to be raised


    unfortunately you often need them ***** :)
    Excuse me, but quickly arranged beatings are replaced by hours of explanatory conversations.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 January 2021 20: 25
      0
      Quote: Voletsky
      Children need to be raised


      unfortunately you often need them ***** :)
      Excuse me, but quickly arranged beatings are replaced by hours of explanatory conversations.

      deep...
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 31 January 2021 20: 27
        +1
        and what is wrong ?:)
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 20: 37
        -1
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: Voletsky
        Children need to be raised


        unfortunately you often need them ***** :)
        Excuse me, but quickly arranged beatings are replaced by hours of explanatory conversations.

        deep...

        yes not ... ok.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 31 January 2021 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: Aerodrome
          Quote: Aerodrome
          Quote: Voletsky
          Children need to be raised


          unfortunately you often need them ***** :)
          Excuse me, but quickly arranged beatings are replaced by hours of explanatory conversations.

          deep...

          yes not ... ok.

          we grew up on Gorky, Yesenin, and Dostoevsky, we knew that "bargaining" is bad, and then it turned out: the norm of life, and the old woman was killed in vain .... it's just business ... and then, Yeseninsky groves to China let's go ... and to Finland for fireplaces ... each block in a plastic bag ... do you hear Putin? and without knots .... so that not a single foreigner gets crazy ... otherwise a scandal ... we need a scandal against the background of firewood ... Russian-Finnish? I don’t think ... I’m glad that I have a little left ... I don’t care, honestly, you played yourself, you row ... I am glad that I will not see the future of Russia.
        2. Voltsky
          Voltsky 31 January 2021 20: 53
          +1
          I was small, I didn’t understand why; right now, I already understand ... but the prospect of getting it again stopped me from a number of actions ...

          Well, the child kicked the cop for the hype; well, from 1k to 2k euros from parents, it will have a positive effect on his upbringing
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 31 January 2021 23: 04
      0
      I will not advise anyone to beat children, it is stupid. Ashamed of such parents, and what kind of parents are you if you are going to beat your child? It's not even that the child grows up and remembers the beatings, but that you injure the psyche of a fragile organism with beatings. Whom will you grow? A coward who is afraid to contradict someone who is stronger or a higher position?
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 31 January 2021 23: 30
        +2
        Well, being a guardian you control yourself, I'm not talking about beating. But as they say, don't wake you up, the street will bring up, and sometimes it brings up flowers at the grave.

        ps
        "there was a situation like that, the young man was extremely surprised what kind of words they could beat; to which they explained to him clearly what the words and deeds were, how they could kill"
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 1 February 2021 04: 09
        -1
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        I will not advise anyone to beat children, it is stupid. Ashamed of such parents, and what kind of parents are you if you are going to beat your child? It's not even that the child grows up and remembers the beatings, but that you injure the psyche of a fragile organism with beatings. Whom will you grow? A coward who is afraid to contradict someone who is stronger or a higher position?

        History speaks of the opposite ... unbeaten and grew up as thugs and brakes, while the "flogged" mind would fall into place.
      3. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 1 February 2021 08: 31
        +1
        And who will you raise?) Infantile egoists that everyone should buy? Look, Europe is full of freaks who cannot be touched ... How many "personalities" have grown up there? As it is not visible ... Regularly, it is impossible. But from time to time it is necessary.
  • Alex013
    Alex013 31 January 2021 20: 27
    -2
    What kind of children, our region is 20 ... 35 years old. PS I do not consider Navalny to be a serious opposition. So, another foreign agent ...
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 31 January 2021 20: 36
      0
      Do you know anyone who is capable of going abroad with a conditional conviction? :)
      1. Alex013
        Alex013 31 January 2021 20: 44
        +2
        I know) some of our regional "alligators") have a criminal record, and at the same time have a residence permit in the "fraternal" Baltic republics.
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 31 January 2021 20: 48
          -1
          most likely they have our negro passports
          ps
          I'm talking about udo and convention, not about a criminal record.
      2. Alex013
        Alex013 31 January 2021 20: 45
        0
        Everyone needs Lech. And to them and our authorities ...
      3. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 31 January 2021 21: 09
        0
        Quote: Voletsky
        Do you know anyone who is capable of going abroad with a conditional conviction? :)

        more, will the post of city deputy suit you? then look for yourself with a spider on the boss. I hope your avatar doesn't cheer up ... the troll went out? like that ...
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 31 January 2021 21: 16
          0
          I'm not from Russia I don't care at all :)
          Well, handsome Th I can say, but nafig choose a lesson to the deputies?
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 1 February 2021 03: 12
            -1
            Quote: Voletsky
            I'm not from Russia I don't care at all :)

            then lay out your opinion only about the weather.
            1. Voltsky
              Voltsky 1 February 2021 03: 24
              +1
              don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go.
              1. Aerodrome
                Aerodrome 1 February 2021 04: 11
                -1
                Quote: Voletsky
                don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go.

                but I won't go ... sit there yourself.
        2. Voltsky
          Voltsky 31 January 2021 21: 21
          -1
          Quote: Aerodrome
          more, will the post of city deputy suit you? then look for yourself with a spider on the boss. I hope your avatar doesn't cheer up ... the troll went out? like that ...

          Duc he served already, you know how to read ?! Well, are you able to understand the question asked by me?
          "Condition and parole" and serving time are two different things.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 31 January 2021 21: 22
    +1
    Children of Navalny himself were at the rally?
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 31 January 2021 23: 34
      +3
      What the fuck did he think of you? :)

      People around the world come out against tax increases, against the adoption of some laws ...
      And here for the fact that Lyosha would be released :))))) Isn't it funny ourselves ?!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 1 February 2021 08: 31
        +1
        Quote: Voletsky
        What the fuck did he think of you? :)

        This is more of a rhetorical question.
        He is primarily interested in our children.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 1 February 2021 08: 03
    +3
    everything is right! demand from children is necessary and parents must answer!
  • Rufat
    Rufat 1 February 2021 09: 28
    -3
    This youth is completely dumb. They also told them in Russian that this was Rothenberg's palace. Why take to the streets again after that
    1. Pavel Vladimirov
      Pavel Vladimirov 1 February 2021 11: 09
      0
      Young people are not stupid, they just want to convey to everyone that the Rothenberg palace is temporary, but whoever does not understand this is stupid.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 1 February 2021 10: 20
    +1
    maybe the question is in the total infantilism of overgrown idiots? Flirting with "informals" - this was going through perestroika. how they were running around with punks, rockers and others ....... Uncles from the Komsomol in suits and Lenin's fire in their chest wrote something there, the great "Youth", etc. How interesting. And how many of them were there, these informals? There were definitely a lot of bandits, and it was with them that the Komsomol worked closely in all possible centers of scientific and technical creativity and cooperatives. We received a lot of money, but the work with informals did not work out. Why? Well, probably because the teenager still grows up and he needs to go about his life and he finishes his "searches and protests" and goes to work. Another question - where is he going ?! In the USSR there were scientific research institutes where millions of idlers worked, who later ran "For Yeltsin !!!!!" together with pensioners, and now? The same "hamsters" from OFFICES, the Instagram bastard and the eternally offended pensioners to whom everyone owes. On the arena - all the same. to indulge young people in their aspirations? So there are none, they only clone those who are pre-tuned to their wave - "We are the power", "Give money", "Notice us". And so on ad infinitum. Give the police the opportunity to go about their business, jail 100 people and for three years - as if by hand. By the way, American friends wrote, all according to the template.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 February 2021 10: 39
    0
    It is necessary, not necessary, but in fact - just another topic for reasoning.
    1) There are almost no children in the photo of the last rallies. Within the margin of error.
    2) Mugs, DOPs, etc. are in blatant decline. Mass character, impression, is falling. The preps are getting old.
    Children do not need the exam for the exam. Parents - they should feed their family.
    So where should children, especially ordinary ones, go?
    3) And at the end, as I heard for a long time from a well-dressed honored director, after much reasoning, how to turn away ..... "You need to steal less"