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British press: the USA seized the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft system in Libya

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British press: the USA seized the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft system in Libya

The United States seized and removed from Libya the Pantsir-C1 Russian anti-aircraft missile-gun system (ZRPK) belonging to the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar. This is reported by the British newspaper The Times, citing its own sources.


According to the publication, the air defense missile system, supplied by the LNA from the UAE, was captured in July last year and removed from the territory of Libya from an airfield west of Tripoli in a fully operational state. The ZRPK was delivered by a C-17A Globemaster III transport aircraft of the US Air Force to the American Ramstein airbase in Germany, where it is still located.

According to newspaper sources, in the United States, the operation to seize the anti-aircraft complex was explained by the fear that the anti-aircraft missile system could fall into the hands of smugglers. weapons and used to destroy civilian aircraft.

At the same time, the newspaper emphasizes that this anti-aircraft complex is unlikely to be of value for American intelligence, since US specialists have long studied these complexes after their delivery to the UAE. For the army of this state, Russia supplied an export version of the anti-aircraft complex on the chassis of the German MAN SX truck.

It is noted that Moscow is allegedly aware of the abduction of the ZRPK.

In turn, The Drive suggests that the Russian-made anti-aircraft complex can be used to develop tactics for dealing with the technology of a "potential enemy".
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  1. figwam
    figwam 28 January 2021 13: 45
    +15
    But this is an export version with reduced capabilities, but they will definitely train at the training ground.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 28 January 2021 13: 49
      -14%
      Quote: figvam
      But this is an export version with reduced capabilities, but they will definitely train at the training ground.

      We need to give them another 400 export from the Turks
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 28 January 2021 13: 55
        +21
        MAN wanted to return home. ))))
        1. letinant
          letinant 28 January 2021 14: 02
          +3
          The photo shows that the car is not in the best condition. From the soot on the cockpit, there is a feeling that it is a bunch of melted wires.
          1. Infinity
            Infinity 28 January 2021 14: 04
            +2
            hi By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.
            It will go, apparently, to the US training grounds, where pilots will train on it to break through air defense. The same "Eglin" in Florida, for example.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 28 January 2021 14: 11
              +20
              Quote: Infinity
              hi By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.

              Looks like it's not the fate of the Americans to ask the Arabs for this pipelats for a while ..... safe and sound, with documentation, ammunition and a staff of operators trained in Russia .. Wonderful are your deeds, Lord !!!
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 28 January 2021 14: 47
                +1
                yes, most likely a duck.
                where was he kept for six months?
                would have been covered by aviation long ago, it was turned off.
                in addition, they wrote in the original that this is the copy that was captured by Turkey.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 28 January 2021 17: 20
                  +1
                  Maybe not a duck. I fully admit that they were taken out precisely for "protection from the fool."
                  And the fact that our Shell is radically different - the Yankees already know. Therefore, they threw it into the warehouse, and it lies there.
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 28 January 2021 22: 09
                +1
                Quote: Nasr
                Quote: Infinity
                hi By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.

                Looks like it's not the fate of the Americans to ask the Arabs for this pipelats for a while ..... safe and sound, with documentation, ammunition and a staff of operators trained in Russia .. Wonderful are your deeds, Lord !!!

                Even last spring, there was information that the C-1 Carapace was put on the cover of the airbase used by mattresses in Et-Tanji in Iraq, because under the cover of our "Carapace" they sleep more peacefully. Satellite images were taken in March last year. Information here -
                https://topcor.ru/14117-rossijskij-zrpk-pancir-s-vstal-na-ohranu-amerikanskoj-bazy-v-irake.html
                And here -
                https://warfiles.ru/214706-rossiyskiy-zrpk-pancir-s-vstal-na-ohranu-amerikanskoy-bazy-v-irake.html
                1. Nick rex
                  Nick rex 29 January 2021 16: 35
                  -5
                  Yankees do not use weapons of third world countries at the basement will be examined and then destroyed, well, or returned if the rightful owner is found. But only after inspection for stolen technology, hehe
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 28 January 2021 14: 14
              -5
              Quote: Infinity
              By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.

              Let them seize on health - this option is always provided for export products. And we will sell them to them, instead of the lost one, if only the grandmother would pay without a line. So we can protect the US Army in this way with our "Shell" if they cannot directly buy them from us. An excellent business project, we should give a hint to our figures from Rosoboronexport.
              1. Civil
                Civil 28 January 2021 14: 27
                +5
                A hundred times have been studied in the UAE, the emirates are closely cooperating with the United States. They bought it out so that Hamas didn't get to, for example.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 28 January 2021 14: 50
                  -9
                  Quote: Civil
                  A hundred times have been studied in the UAE, the emirates are closely cooperating with the United States. They bought it out so that Hamas didn't get to, for example.

                  So I believed in this version - they cannot create their own, so they are thinking how best to implement something like that for cheap at home.
                  And why should we buy the installation if a couple of kilograms of TNT completely destroy it?
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 28 January 2021 18: 42
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: Infinity
                By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.

                Let them seize on health - this option is always provided for export products. And we will sell them to them, instead of the lost one, if only the grandmother would pay without a line. So we can protect the US Army in this way with our "Shell" if they cannot directly buy them from us. An excellent business project, we should give a hint to our figures from Rosoboronexport.

                Colleague, they just decided to train green berets in whiter or less comfortable conditions. laughing
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 28 January 2021 18: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Colleague, they just decided to train green berets in whiter or less comfortable conditions.

                  I think they got by with a check for a round sum - it's easier with that audience.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 29 January 2021 17: 44
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Colleague, they just decided to train green berets in whiter or less comfortable conditions.

                    I think they got by with a check for a round sum - it's easier with that audience.

                    Easier, yes. But what about keeping "untouchables" in good shape?
            3. YOUR
              YOUR 28 January 2021 14: 51
              +4
              There can only be missiles cut down. And that his capture the UAE sold 50 pieces. Already there, the Americans crawled everything, including the documentation to the holes read out.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 28 January 2021 17: 39
                +3
                There can only be missiles cut down.

                Have you read the history of the development of the Shell at all?
                The serial model had the following characteristics - two guns: 2A72 and eight 57E6E missiles, as well as optical weapon control system... The export vehicle received the designation E. A characteristic feature is the foreign chassis MAN-SX45.

                Pantsir-C1-O - 2005. Armament: 2 × 2 30 mm 2A72, 2 × 4 57E6E. With an optical weapon control system (with a single-purpose channel). There is no tracking radar.
                Pantsir-S1E - modification for export purposes, made on the MAN-SX45 chassis. Used equipment of foreign manufacture. SAM - 9M311;
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 29 January 2021 07: 36
                  +1
                  Don't you read the history of modernization for our army ZRPK "Pantsir-1S"?
                  ZRPK "Pantsir-S" received a hypersonic missile capable of speeds up to Mach 5

                  Unlike the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system already in service, the new complex has been armed with a new missile and a new multifunctional sighting station with a phased antenna array, which allows "to see" targets at a distance of up to 75 km. The aiming range of the new complex has been increased to 40 km. The complex is capable of recognizing and hitting all types of unmanned aerial vehicles.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 29 January 2021 11: 06
                    0
                    I know all this very well.
                    But these are our complexes.
                    And they have little in common with those in the UAE.
                    Actually, that's what I was talking about.
                  2. Alex777
                    Alex777 29 January 2021 11: 19
                    0
                    ZRPK "Pantsir-S" received a hypersonic missile capable of speeds up to Mach 5

                    This is where you are a little deluded.
                    A missile with such characteristics is not for Pantsir-S, but for Pantsir-SM. These are very different complexes.
                    It is impossible to upgrade Pantsir-S to Pantsir-SM. hi
                    1. YOUR
                      YOUR 29 January 2021 11: 59
                      0
                      We are armed with the Carapace CM or are upgrading it to its state.
                      And by the way, they write that in Libya they captured the complex that the UAE sent there. In this country, Armor is not on KAMAZ, but on MAN
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 29 January 2021 12: 07
                        0
                        We are armed with the Carapace CM or are upgrading it to its state.

                        Everything is not so and there is no need to argue on this topic anymore.
                        The CM carapace is not yet in service.
                        You cannot upgrade a regular Shell-C1 to its level.
                        Designers continue to develop the Pantsir-SM-SV air defense missile system for the Ground Forces

                        https://www.tsn24.ru/news/armiya-i-opk/konstruktory-prodolzhayut-razrabatyvat-zrpk-pantsir-sm-sv-dlya-sukhoputnykh-voysk/
                        And by the way, they write that in Libya they captured the complex that the UAE sent there. In this country, Armor is not on KAMAZ, but on MAN

                        I already wrote this to you, but apparently you have not read it since you sent it to me. hi
                    2. YOUR
                      YOUR 29 January 2021 11: 59
                      -1
                      In any case, they write that.
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 29 January 2021 12: 15
                        -1
                        In any case, they write that.

                        Read this:
                        http://bastion-opk.ru/pantsir-sm/
            4. letinant
              letinant 28 January 2021 15: 18
              +12
              hi By the way, they say that technical documentation and ammunition have been captured.
              It will go, apparently, to the US training grounds, where pilots will train on it to break through air defense. The same "Eglin" in Florida, for example.

              Have you ever seen the documentation for the complex? Firstly, there are a lot of folders (they simply cannot physically fit into the cab) and they are all for operation, everything (no repairs). Secondly, no plant will provide the operator with technical, complete, documentation.
            5. Piramidon
              Piramidon 28 January 2021 16: 56
              -1
              Quote: Infinity
              hi By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.
              It will go, apparently, to the US training grounds, where pilots will train on it to break through air defense. The same "Eglin" in Florida, for example.

              This is the fate of all export weapons. I hope, before exporting, "smart heads" think about such excesses and take action
            6. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 28 January 2021 18: 01
              +1
              Quote: Infinity
              By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.

              Excuse me, but nothing is known about the fate of the crew? laughing
            7. Protos
              Protos 28 January 2021 18: 03
              +4
              Quote: Infinity
              hi By the way, they claim that technical documentation and ammunition have also been captured.
              It will go, apparently, to the US training grounds, where pilots will train on it to break through air defense. The same "Eglin" in Florida, for example.

              PantsirS1E model 2010 of the United Arab Emirates and PantsirS1 of the RF Armed Forces are two different air defense systems!
              Let them practice laughing
          2. neri73-r
            neri73-r 29 January 2021 10: 00
            0
            Quote: letinant
            From the soot on the cockpit, there is a feeling that it is a bunch of melted wires.

            The carbon deposits on the vehicle most likely indicate that the vehicle fought before being "captured".
          3. LifeIsGood
            LifeIsGood 29 January 2021 10: 31
            0
            Take a closer look at the photograph, yes there is soot, but purely visually wave zero. Clean the carbon deposits and you will be as good as new. Nagar probably from a "neighbor" who burned and smoked the Shell itself.
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 28 January 2021 14: 09
        +3
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: figvam
        But this is an export version with reduced capabilities, but they will definitely train at the training ground.

        We need to give them another 400 export from the Turks

        Do we get samples of their military equipment or just pictures from the media ?!
        1. KCA
          KCA 28 January 2021 14: 27
          +7
          CDs definitely fall, those that, for some reason, in Syria just fall from the sky, get tired of flying, apparently, they showed them on TV
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 29 January 2021 05: 24
            +3
            Omnipotent electronic warfare, pressed the button - and turned off the entire army to the opponent smile
            Like a cheat code in the game ..
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 28 January 2021 15: 04
          +5
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Do we get samples of their military equipment or just pictures from the media ?!

          But how!
          "How our Sabers stole in Korea." Published on December 16, 2010.
          https://topwar.ru/2728-kkak-nashi-v-koree-sejbry-vorovali.html

          And this is not the first, not the last and not the only thing that came to us.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 28 January 2021 15: 40
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And this is not the first, not the last and not the only thing that came to us.

            It's just that ours don't talk too much
            Igor hi
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 January 2021 14: 20
      -12%
      This means that we must get a serviceable f35 at any cost, and also bring it to Russia, and then place it in the Patriot Park for everyone to see! We must put the Yankees in their place!
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 28 January 2021 14: 24
        +8
        This is more likely to show your feeble mind. Everyone always steals from everyone. It is the job of intelligence to seek secrets. And to show that you already have them is like writing to your wife before cheating that you went to your mistress)
      2. loki565
        loki565 28 January 2021 14: 59
        +5
        This means that we must get a serviceable f35 at any cost.

        At least to bring a UAV from Africa, it is there with full armament worth no man's)))

      3. 3danimal
        3danimal 29 January 2021 05: 25
        0
        Unlikely No.
      4. Intruder
        Intruder 29 January 2021 09: 17
        +1
        This means that we must get a serviceable f35 at any cost, and also bring it to Russia, and then place it in the Patriot Park for everyone to see! We must put the Yankees in their place!
        and only, their avionics (elements of microelectronics) are still fantastic for us ..., moreover, difficult to copy ..., plus some composite materials ... what then is the deep meaning, only as a PR action !? winked
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 28 January 2021 14: 31
      -15%
      Quote: figvam
      But this is an export version with reduced capabilities, but they will definitely train at the training ground.

      Come on. The Emirates would never buy a castrated system. They can afford to buy what they want because they pay real money, and do not take on credit.
      1. lucul
        lucul 28 January 2021 14: 37
        +9
        Come on. The Emirates would never buy a castrated system. They can afford to buy what they want

        Did they have a choice? )))
        Castrated systems were ALWAYS exported)))
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 28 January 2021 21: 12
          -6
          Quote: lucul
          Come on. The Emirates would never buy a castrated system. They can afford to buy what they want

          Did they have a choice? )))
          Castrated systems were ALWAYS exported)))

          No gun buyer spending millions of dollars agrees to buy a castrated gun ...
          If he is in a position with the seller on equal terms.

          Castrated came from Soviet times, when we did not sell. but simply donated weapons.
          It really was cheaper.
          Since then, the myth about the letter "E" has been moshed ...

          Since the 90s, there is nothing castrated in the letter "E".
          The Club anti-ship missiles, which were created for the Indian Navy, went into service with the Russian Federation under the name Caliber.
          Tanks T-90 - in the same configuration as the Indians.
          Su-30SM aircraft - went to us after the Indians.
          1. KCA
            KCA 29 January 2021 05: 30
            +2
            The USA sells Axes to Great Britain with a range of up to 300 km, I don't know any closer allies, Club-K has a range of 280 km, unlike Caliber, which has a range of 1500 km with a conventional warhead and 2500 with an SBS
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 29 January 2021 08: 26
              -2
              Missiles it's different, there is a missile technology control regime treaty. And "Carapace" does not fall under any of the existing restrictions.
              1. KCA
                KCA 30 January 2021 04: 20
                0
                India is not a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and Missile Weapons, although it possesses nuclear weapons, Russia legally participated in the creation of Brahmos missiles, but, however, does not use Brahmos at all, uses Onyx and continues to develop the Kh-32 and other anti-ship missiles , although here he is Brahmos, it starts up quite well with the Su-30MKI, and even hits the target, but something is wrong, probably not all technical solutions take place in Brahmos, although the Indians are happy as children with a caramel cockerel
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 28 January 2021 15: 09
        +4
        This is not how it works) your country has also done and is doing the same) export options are limited by hundreds of international treaties and amendments) plus that the most important thing is also internal obstacles. Different systems, different approaches. What suits buyers there is brought to the market. On what the MO asks for) it almost always does not match)
      3. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 28 January 2021 15: 36
        +4
        And how does the Emirates know the true characteristics of the complex? Who shows this data? Here, dear customers, are the characteristics of the ZRPK, are they satisfied with the price? Let's make a deal.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 28 January 2021 20: 40
          0
          Quote: dmmyak40
          how does the Emirates know the true characteristics of the complex? Who shows this data?

          "I get on the bus ... the conductor shouts: Come in! Show me! Don't be shy! ... I showed you! ... kicked out of the bus with a scandal! Didn't you like it?" request
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 29 January 2021 22: 28
            +1
            It depends on what and how shown. It takes more practice ...
      4. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 January 2021 15: 41
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        because they pay real money

        For they know what they pay for
      5. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 28 January 2021 18: 05
        +6
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        The Emirates would never buy a castrated system. They can afford to buy what they want

        Aron! hi Do you have an elephant zoo in town?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 28 January 2021 18: 25
          +1
          Quote: Polite Moose
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The Emirates would never buy a castrated system. They can afford to buy what they want

          Aron! hi Do you have an elephant zoo in town?

          No.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 28 January 2021 18: 34
            +9
            It's a shame. And we once had. So: zookeepers do not specifically teach elephants to read, so that they cannot read their daily ration, which hangs at the entrance to their aviary, and demand satisfaction from the administration.
      6. boni592807
        boni592807 28 January 2021 19: 30
        0
        Aaron Zaavi (Aaron), Today, 14:31, NEW - "Come on. The Emirates would never buy a castrated system. They can afford to buy what they want because they pay real money, not take on credit."

        Aron it all depends not only on the availability and amount of money. You can hardly refuse another argument. - this is the quality and level of work of the national special services bully ... Appreciating OURS, I respectfully treat them like a pro, for example, the Mossad. hi
        It is necessary to treat with "gratitude" not only to the topic of discussion (Armorb), and to excellent advertising of the US military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation (USSR) incl. small arms, grenade launchers and other products. USA, both the go-on, THEIR nat MIC, and Mr. Elon Musk - an engineer, entrepreneur, founder of SpaceX and Tesla. Many others.
        These gentlemen are "comrades" нnot only advertise our military-industrial complex and space technologies of the Russian Federation (USSR). Many "rise" on technologies "native" from the USSR. repeat
        But what is also important for Russia - "stimulate" from outside our "brakes" which "make REMEMBER" about the deposits [/ b] in many respects "merged" with the PARTNERS (when-LOOKING AT) to their "breakthroughs" в civil and military technologies and military equipment.
        I would like to believe, with our hands-drivers "- they will ASSESS, REMEMBER and, most importantly, IMPLEMENT
        It's funny and sad to hear about our:
        -Internet ("Red Square" - In 1959, Colonel Anatoly Kitov sent a proposal to Nikita Khrushchev, in which he outlined a project for creating a prototype of the modern Internet. If this idea were implemented, the Internet would appear in the USSR 10 years earlier than in USA..),
        - mobile-cell phones (During the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet scientist and inventor Georgy Ilyich Babat in besieged Leningrad proposed the so-called "monophone" - an automatic radiotelephone operating in the centimeter range of 1000-2000 MHz (now for the GSM standard ... + our Nobel laureate Zhores Alferov ...) and others.
        R.S. More often they interfere - thieves resellers over the hill or hands-drivers(Khrushchev Ave.).
        And so, the normal process of scientific and technological revolution (for young people - a scientific and technological revolution) is a WORLD process. And the rest - "If you want peace - prepare for war"... This catchphrase appeared in ancient Rome, in Latin it sounds like - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" whose authorship is attributed to the Roman historian Cornelius Nepos.
        All health and good luck, colleagues! hi
      7. Dimonst
        Dimonst 29 January 2021 01: 20
        0
        For the foreign market, he is really castrated.
        ZY Are you really teaching Jews about our defense industry? bully
    4. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 28 January 2021 16: 45
      -2
      Hello !
      Quote: figvam
      But this is an export version with stripped down features.

      Irrelevant .
      This system is still of interest to Americans.
      Quote: figvam
      but they will definitely train at the training ground.

      Rather, they will disassemble it to form an idea.
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 28 January 2021 21: 16
        +4
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

        Rather, they will disassemble it to form an idea.

        So.
        But everything is a little deeper.
        Something similar to the analysis of re-engineering (drawn, I do not argue, but the analysis will be accurate)
        Weapon samples show exactly:
        The level of the designers.
        Technologist level.
        The level of production workers.
        Based on what has been studied, a forecast is made for the development potential for the next 5-10 years.
        If you are on the same or superior technological base, then your analysis will be 99% accurate.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 28 January 2021 13: 47
    +13
    Trophy, what's wrong with that.
    Weapons are exported, which means they can fall into the hands of anyone.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 January 2021 14: 23
      +3
      This is understandable, maybe they are putting together a collection, so they seem to have ...
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 January 2021 13: 48
    +10
    The United States seized and removed from Libya the Russian Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile-gun system (ZRPK)

    And everyone shouted "We, the United States, are not at war in Libya!"
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 January 2021 13: 50
      +3
      so it is written that these supplies to Libya were from the UAE, and there we sold them back in 2009
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 28 January 2021 15: 09
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And everyone shouted "We, the United States, are not at war in Libya!"

      Duc US in Libya and did not fight. They bombed her ...

      Fighting and hammering air-to-ground missiles on a country that does not have normal air defense are, it seems to me, different things ...
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 January 2021 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Fight and hammer air-to-ground missiles on a country that does not have normal air defense

        Tactics worked out in Korea
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 28 January 2021 21: 22
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And everyone shouted "We, the United States, are not at war in Libya!"

        Duc US in Libya and did not fight. They bombed her ...

        Fighting and hammering air-to-ground missiles on a country that does not have normal air defense are, it seems to me, different things ...


        Oh well...
        Here all as one say that there was no air defense in Libya.
        As of 2011, Libya had very good air defense ...

        And the fighter aircraft was ...
      3. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 29 January 2021 08: 42
        +2
        on the one hand you are right .. and on the other it is "dishonest" to fight, there is no concept .. we in Syria act in a similar way .. and we do the right thing ..
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 January 2021 08: 53
          +1
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          but on the other hand, it is "unfair" to fight - there is no concept ..

          And I didn’t say "honestly, not fair." I spoke about the quality of the war. You can fight the way we are in Afghanistan - this is war. And it is possible, like America in Grenada - with surfboards "to fight" came ... Not a war, but a "Country trip of Sergeant Tsybuli" ...
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 29 January 2021 08: 54
            +1
            In this I certainly agree with you, Igor! hi
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 28 January 2021 15: 43
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      "We, the United States, are not fighting in Libya!"

      They don't fight anywhere
      They only defend democracy
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 January 2021 16: 34
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        They only defend democracy

        That's why I don't love her.
  4. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 28 January 2021 13: 48
    -8

    They sailed. ... ...
  5. askort154
    askort154 28 January 2021 13: 49
    +7
    The last paragraph speaks the truth. USA lovers to acquire any enemy equipment.
    Many were taken out of the republics after the collapse of the USSR.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 January 2021 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      Many were taken out of the republics after the collapse of the USSR.

      And how many more are left in the army warehouses.
  6. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 28 January 2021 13: 52
    +4
    [Quote]in the United States, the operation to seize the anti-aircraft complex was explained by the fear that the air defense missile system could fall into the hands of smugglers of weapons and be used to destroy civilian aircraft.[Quote]
    Yeah, they were so afraid that a whole C-17A Globemaster III was brought in to get the Shell out. They could have just blown it up, but they didn't even consider transportation costs, because they need a Russian air defense missile system.
  7. Rose capone
    Rose capone 28 January 2021 13: 55
    +2
    They kept silent about the fact that the vehicle was captured along with technical documentation, diagnostic maps, several sets of ammunition and maintenance recommendations in several languages, incl. in Arabic, English. (as written in The Times)
    1. lucul
      lucul 28 January 2021 14: 10
      +7
      They kept silent about the fact that the vehicle was captured along with technical documentation, diagnostic maps, several sets of ammunition and maintenance recommendations in several languages, incl. in Arabic, English. (as written in The Times)

      And the point is, if the Arabs were given the same thing a long time ago, with
      technical documentation, diagnostic charts, several sets of ammunition and maintenance recommendations in several languages, incl. in Arabic, English.

      ))))
      There, first of all, algorithms are important))))
      Roughly like Windows, you use it, but try to disassemble its kernel again)))
    2. Horon
      Horon 28 January 2021 14: 34
      0
      the vehicle was captured along with technical documentation, diagnostic maps, several sets of ammunition and maintenance recommendations in several languages, incl.

      They had all this from the owners of the Carapace of the UAE. They still managed to get to know the air defense system thoroughly there, now they have semi-officially received a live sample at their disposal.
  8. Cowbra
    Cowbra 28 January 2021 14: 02
    +3
    Peremoga, just write up))) If they asked, they would have sold it to you anyway)))
    In general, yes, just an awesome victory)))
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 28 January 2021 14: 13
    +1
    According to newspaper sources, in the United States, the operation to seize the anti-aircraft complex was explained by the fear that the air defense missile system could fall into the hands of arms smugglers and be used to destroy civilian aircraft.

    They didn’t even think of a true story, noble Robin Hoods. Just set it on fire, the gas in lighters ran out .................... laughing laughing laughing
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 January 2021 14: 17
    +3
    Even when Haftar's retreat ended, I drew
    attention that the Shells began to disguise, hide under all sorts of awnings, saving them
    from attacks by Turkish drones.
    Here is one of these, disguised and abandoned during the retreat of the Shells
    and captured by the Americans.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 January 2021 14: 22
      +2
      Tell me, in your opinion - why do they need it? ... if only as a trophy ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 January 2021 14: 27
        0
        Americans are constantly buying Russian weapons and bringing
        to their polygons. For training.
        They have S-200, S-300, various radars.
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 January 2021 15: 20
          +2
          The trophy is understandable, although transportation costs a lot, and buying is even more expensive, but it is the USA that they are ready to spend ...
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 January 2021 15: 49
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        why should they?

        Yes, how petty information dirty trick in our direction
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 January 2021 15: 50
          +3
          Especially from the English press ... yes
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 28 January 2021 15: 54
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            Especially from the English press ...

            And this is theirs bread, we have to do little dirty tricks
            1. cniza
              cniza 28 January 2021 16: 46
              +2
              This is not just bread, this is their centuries-old dependence, if they do not spoil us, they cannot live ...
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 January 2021 14: 23
      +4
      Alexey, they did not capture him, but received or bought him from pro-Turkish militants, who also support the United States. In short, from "their girls" ... lol
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 January 2021 14: 32
        +3
        The United States, as you know, is at odds with Erdogan (S-400, F-35).
        And they don't contact. And the United States did not help and does not help the Turkomans.
        Perhaps there was a one-time deal for money with some Libyan
        Bedouin fighters who are always happy to earn extra money.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 28 January 2021 15: 20
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The United States, as you know, is at odds with Erdogan (S-400, F-35).
          And they don't contact. And the United States did not help and does not help the Turkomans.

          It seems to me, Alexey, you are slightly idealizing your strategic friends. As far as I know Americans from personal experience, they will sell an ax to their own executioner, if a decent deal turns out.
          A simple example is Ben Laden. Who fed him on behalf of the state, where, in whose business did the BenLaden family take money like a black hole? It doesn't matter what then. In an extreme case, another "decisive and final victory over terrorism" can be declared. But a good deal for America here and now is sacred ...
          And some kind of "quarrel" does not affect their money from the word "absolutely". A quarrel, a quarrel, and money is more important. There are a lot of ways not to "light up", worked out for decades.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 28 January 2021 14: 26
      -3
      At the end of the hostilities, Shells appeared on the KamAZ chassis, here they are the most interesting for them, Export ones on the MAN chassis can be studied anyway.
      1. venik
        venik 28 January 2021 14: 55
        +2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        At the end of the hostilities, Shells appeared on the KamAZ chassis, here they are the most interesting for them, Export ones on the MAN chassis can be studied anyway.

        =======
        And what, those on the KamAZ chassis, they are not "export" ??? belay
        Ie, if "Pantsiri" on a KAMAZ chassis go to Syria, Serbia, Venezuela - then these are "NOT export" versions ??? what
        PS There are differences in weapons module (more precisely, in its electronic stuffing), and certainly not in the chassis! And the chassis, (at the request of the customer) can be ANY, the main thing is suitable dimensions and carrying capacity! hi
  11. cniza
    cniza 28 January 2021 14: 20
    +1
    This is reported by the British newspaper The Times, citing its own sources.


    British newspaper, why should they? Maybe you are just like your scientists? ... lol
  12. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 28 January 2021 14: 39
    +1
    For that we dismantled their Tomahawks from Syria into molecules, and a drone of some kind.
  13. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 28 January 2021 14: 41
    0
    they will paint and be happy, I just don’t understand why to steal, it’s cheaper to make plywood for the Air Force.
  14. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 28 January 2021 14: 47
    0
    Quote: Rosa Capone
    They kept silent about the fact that the vehicle was captured along with technical documentation, diagnostic maps, several sets of ammunition and maintenance recommendations in several languages, incl. in Arabic, English. (as written in The Times)

    Remember our kind Soviet film "Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson", I don’t remember exactly in which episode, actress Rina Zelenaya voiced Watson’s criticism of The Times news - as it is written.
    ps never immediately believe what they write, study 5-10 sources, better in different languages ​​- you will get a conclusion !!!!!!!!!!
  15. kit88
    kit88 28 January 2021 14: 49
    +8
    But who needs it.
  16. evgen1221
    evgen1221 28 January 2021 15: 02
    0
    The ZRPK, a set of documents and production technologies, as well as all the design bureaus and the plant, in addition, is captured, well, if you believe the British journalists)))
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 January 2021 15: 10
    0
    Even if the striped ones repeat it in the gland, at least 2-3 times it will be more expensive. laughing
  18. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 28 January 2021 15: 13
    +2
    Doesn't give anything at all, in any form,
    these precedents have already been and the result is no in fact.
    In the 90's, Kazakhstan quietly sold the S-300 to the USA and no shit results with a complete disassembly and inspection of the systems.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 January 2021 15: 26
      -1
      Belarus sold it
  19. Rufat
    Rufat 28 January 2021 15: 16
    -9
    What audacity. We must deliver a nuclear strike
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 28 January 2021 16: 41
    +1
    It's funny if we find out later that we are doing the same thing. Scrape through hangars and Avax can find laughing
    1. tagil
      tagil 28 January 2021 17: 59
      +1
      Why is it funny, we have been doing this for a long time. In Kubinka, for example, there are closed hangars, where visitors do not enter, even from the foundation of this test site, and there is probably something interesting there.
  21. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 28 January 2021 17: 17
    -2
    when we finally capture something, for example an abrams and shoot at it with our ammunition. After all, it is not known we are breaking through, but most likely not, it
  22. orionvitt
    orionvitt 28 January 2021 17: 20
    +1
    can be used to develop tactics for dealing with the technique of a "potential enemy".
    This is please. It is necessary to develop tactics of dealing not with the equipment, but with the crews who control this equipment. It seems to me that the Arab and Russian crews operating the same equipment are different things.
  23. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 28 January 2021 19: 32
    0
    Another adventures of the long-suffering "Shell" .. (
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 January 2021 20: 52
      0
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      The next adventures of the long-suffering "Shell"

      Nothing ... nothing! He's made of iron!
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 29 January 2021 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Another adventure of the long-suffering "Shell".

      But what a combat path - the developers can be proud, since even the Americans are interested in them.
  24. svoit
    svoit 28 January 2021 20: 04
    +1
    Quote: askort154
    Many were taken out of the republics after the collapse of the USSR.

    First of all, from Belarus S-300.
  25. Kelwin
    Kelwin 28 January 2021 21: 31
    +1
    can be used to develop tactics for dealing with the technique of "potential enemy

    but it may not be) if the hands are made of zh_py, then the shell will not save ..))
  26. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 22: 25
    +1
    For the army of this state, Russia supplied an export version of the anti-aircraft complex on the chassis of the German MAN SX truck


    I hope this export version is neutered in full, and made on the principle of a black box.
    Yankee banana on the collar, not our technology
  27. Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 January 2021 07: 05
    0
    "Captured" - yeah, of course. Either stolen, or stolen goods bought. Thieves and hucksters.
    1. Rufat
      Rufat 29 January 2021 15: 16
      -3
      Probably being taken to the dump
  28. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 29 January 2021 10: 42
    -1
    It is noted that Moscow is allegedly aware of the abduction of the ZRPK.

    not "abduction", but legally taken on the sword - the trophy has always been, is and will be "a holy deed for every soldier."
    The question is different, any sample of military equipment during its use in the database has a risk of falling into the hands of the enemy, and then an important question arises, is this technique of interest from the enemy's side, or not?
    The history of the Second World War has clearly shown, when necessary, the Katyushas were mined, and the personnel were given clear instructions if necessary to destroy the equipment at any cost.
    Pantsir-E is indeed supplied to many countries and I am sure that everyone who needs it, everyone has known about it for a long time.
    Well, for myself, I want to ask the author, from what he called the capture of equipment during hostilities "abduction", how did it affect the performance characteristics of the product or the morale of the personnel who use it, this may increase its effectiveness by 10% ?
    "Abduction" is when I stole a T-90M from the storage base in order to ride it around the mushrooms.
  29. bar
    bar 30 January 2021 09: 38
    0
    The United States explained the operation to seize the anti-aircraft complex by the fear that the air defense missile system could fall into the hands of smugglers of weapons and be used to destroy civilian aircraft.
    At the same time, the newspaper emphasizes that this anti-aircraft complex is unlikely to be of value for American intelligence, since US specialists have long studied these complexes after their delivery to the UAE.

    Kind Yankees with relentless concern for the safety of civil aircraft

    The Russian-made Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM), stolen in Libya and secretly transported to Germany, will be transported to the Wright-Patterson Air Force base (Ohio), where the National Aerospace Intelligence Center is located U.S.A. The alleged future location of the weapon is revealed by Popular Mechanics.

    The publication admits that "Pantsir-C1" will be dismantled and rebuilt, which will allow investigating the operation of this air defense system with the aim of future protection of US Air Force aircraft and their allies from Russian weapons.
  30. Egorov Oleg
    Egorov Oleg 1 February 2021 00: 26
    0
    Such complexes in the Soviet Union were placed on tracked chassis, and were intended for air defense of tank and motorized rifle regiments, and how this complex will accompany if it shoots while standing still with its released paws like a truck crane, all the more so I saw on Yu-tube, like Pantsir-C1 lay down on one side (in my opinion in the Khabarovsk Territory or Vladivostok) on an asphalt road at a not very sharp turn. In my opinion, the installation of the complex on the Kamaz chassis is a corrupt deal, the owners of Kamaz, the suitcase in M.O. brought, nothing else comes to mind.