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"Overloading and working with touch monitors are incompatible": the pilot spoke about the problems when piloting F-35 fighters

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"Overloading and working with touch monitors are incompatible": the pilot spoke about the problems when piloting F-35 fighters

The cockpit of the fifth generation F-35 fighter is a technological marvel, but in practice, some of the declared capabilities simply do not work. Hush-Kit writes about this with reference to the pilot of the F-35 fighter, who wished to remain anonymous.


According to the pilot, the F-35's cockpit is equipped with touch screens that allow "with the touch of a finger" to display a huge amount of information about the fighter, as well as customize the aircraft for a specific mission. The displays should make it easier for the pilot so that he does not get confused by the numerous buttons and toggle switches, but many problems arise with them in flight.

The main problem with touch screens is the inability to use them during turbulence or overload. In about 20% of cases, the pilot makes a mistake when trying to enter this or that command.

Currently, I am clicking on the wrong part of the screen about 20% of the time. (...) One of the biggest drawbacks is that you cannot press your hand against anything while typing - think how much easier it is to type on a smartphone with your thumbs than trying to hit the virtual keyboard on a large tablet with just one index finger

- quotes the publication of the words of the pilot.

Voice control is another function aimed at making it easier to operate the fighter, but pilots hardly use it. It is noted that this function works stably only on a simulator or on a fighter standing on the ground.

I haven't met anyone who uses it [in the air]

- added the pilot of the F-35.

Also, claims were made regarding the pilot's helmet. This "technological miracle" worth 400 thousand dollars compresses information under the helmet's field of view so that it cannot be read.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 28 January 2021 08: 38
    +20
    The airplane developers have outplayed computer games.
    And I've seen enough Hollywood films, where transparent screens hang in the air, and in them blondes of superheroes are elegantly poking their fingers with their fingers.
    They, apparently, have no ZhPS-ki in the car. With touch screen.
    It just doesn't have to work on the go.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 28 January 2021 08: 47
      +23
      The F-35 is not a product for war, it is a business project for commerce and political intrigue.
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 28 January 2021 09: 36
        +8
        The pilot, who wished to remain anonymous, the Hush-Kit resource does not have any citation on the Internet at all. There is not a single author on the site. The languages ​​used by the site are only Englisch and Rus. It is not clear what is being discussed at all.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 28 January 2021 10: 08
          +2
          Quote: WIKI
          The pilot, who wished to remain anonymous, the Hush-Kit resource does not have any citation on the Internet at all. There is not a single author on the site. The languages ​​used by the site are only Englisch and Rus. It is not clear what is being discussed at all.

          This is a blog. And that's it.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 28 January 2021 10: 24
            -1
            The blog must have an author.
        2. figwam
          figwam 28 January 2021 10: 25
          0
          There is a serial assembly of a faulty aircraft, the main thing is to get money.
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 16: 27
            -1
            Yeah, right on the assembly and break, for each breakdown on the headstock.
        3. Errr
          Errr 28 January 2021 12: 33
          +4
          Quote: WIKI
          The languages ​​used by the [Hush-Kit, presumably] site are only Englisch and Rus.
          If you are talking about https://hushkit.net/about-2/ [the article we are considering is there at https://hushkit.net/?s=f-35], then do not even try to find on this resource neither "Rus" [Russian version], nor Russian comments, they are simply not there. smile
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 28 January 2021 13: 05
            -2
            I am considering the resource listed in the "Hush-Kit" article, with a hyphen .. And no need to fool your brains.
            1. Errr
              Errr 28 January 2021 17: 10
              +4
              And no one thought to fool your brain. smile Will you publish a link to the "resource you are considering"?
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 29 January 2021 00: 55
                -2
                Finding Hush-Kit difficult to type? https://hushkit.net/
                1. Errr
                  Errr 29 January 2021 05: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: WIKI
                  Finding Hush-Kit difficult to type? https://hushkit.net/
                  This is an exclusively English-language resource without the possibility of choosing any other language besides his native English. smile Naturally, there is no Russian version either. Exactly to this site [https://hushkit.net/] I also referred in my first answer to you. Maybe it's enough to fool yourself and those around you already? smile
        4. Alex777
          Alex777 28 January 2021 15: 11
          +4
          The pilot, who wished to remain anonymous, the Hush-Kit resource has no citation at all on the Internet

          On the one hand, you are undoubtedly right. The resource is weak.
          On the other hand, the problems outlined do not seem far-fetched. Everything is logical enough. hi
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 28 January 2021 18: 09
            -1
            yes, they just look contrived, all the main flight controls, weapons and radar are quite conservative ore joysticks, toggle switches and buttons, on the touch, as far as we know, maps, diagrams, control charts, a flight plan are displayed, in general such things that are not used in maneuvering combat, and even during vigorous maneuvering, switching screens at hand (more precisely, under the finger), in the form of an additional joystick, and it is not clear what the pilot should be typing on the screen during vigorous maneuvering; to the touchscreen, well, and then they said that it seemed to be better
        5. eklmn
          eklmn 28 January 2021 21: 14
          0
          Hush-Kit is a magazine for bloggers, aviation enthusiasts who would like to share their experience of flying something, something like that ...
          Judging by the info, the magazine often interviews different pilots of different types of aircraft. Critical remarks from the pilots cannot provide a complete picture of the aircraft. It's like asking motorists about the same car brand - you get different responses.
          In the same interview, the pilot concluded:
          “This plane displays information incredibly well! The amount of information I receive, my situational awareness, has nothing to do with what I have encountered before this device and its displays. The off-scope helmet is much more accurate than legacy JHMCS systems and I find it clearer to read (although I still need a wide-angle HUD for critical flight and combat data!). Almost the only thing missing in the whole cab is the lack of a sense of control - everything is so easy and simple. "
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 28 January 2021 10: 03
        +6
        I would not underestimate the work on the f-35
        the Americans made a not particularly successful path, but a serious and bold step towards the development of a fundamentally new aircraft filling
      3. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 26
        0
        War is also a business project, F-35 is for successful business projects in the military sense.
        1. Dimon Krasnodar
          Dimon Krasnodar 28 January 2021 20: 56
          -2
          Do not write nonsense
          I don’t want to remind you of the horrors of war and wars, especially since some nations suffered catastrophic losses in wars, you are transferring everything into business (((
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 21: 35
            -1
            The horrors of war and losses do not change the fact that warriors are also business projects. Moreover, if the First and Second still had a patriotic-emotional part, although the economic one was definitely no less, then after them: loot wins evil, and big loot wins everything - it became the main rule, whether a conflict of business interests is resolved without cemeteries visited by the whole world or with them ...
            1. Dimon Krasnodar
              Dimon Krasnodar 28 January 2021 21: 49
              0
              You can add anything to the war, but in fact it is not an economic business project and cannot be, due to the incredible risks for the beneficiaries. Therefore, it is silly to call war a business project.
              Everything is according to the will of the Lord and according to our deeds.
              Yes, He performed a miracle when he saved the remnant of the Jewish people in World War II.
              1. ironic
                ironic 28 January 2021 22: 12
                -3
                I cannot add anything to what has already been woven before me. If you look for yourself at all the major wars that we know, from WWII to the present day, the result of each of them was an economic and political redistribution, and after WWII, all wars were exclusively for the influence and / or as a consequence of the promotion of economic interests, and political interests are always the means for pushing economic ones. The risks are really high when the redistribution is carried out by force of arms, but the risks of losing if not in this situation are just as high and therefore justified.
                1. Dimon Krasnodar
                  Dimon Krasnodar 28 January 2021 22: 52
                  +1
                  Not a single war went according to plan, let alone a business plan.
                  And what you write about the results is a fact that has already happened, and not the result of an exact miscalculation as you write the "business" of the project.
                  War is inseparable from politics, from circumstances, from the situation in the world, therefore it cannot be a business project.
                  Even modern US companies in Iraq and Afghanistan are a political adventure, not a business project.
                  Probably they wanted the gamble to go according to plan, but the result is the same, America basically left these countries, spending a huge amount of funds and receiving nothing in return ...
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 29 January 2021 14: 26
                    -1
                    Did the Japanese start the war because the Americans violated their business plans? Did the British stir up European politics not because of their imperial business plans? Hitler did not plan his blitzkriegs in order to return Germany to its economic power lost in WWI?
                    Of course, all African and Middle Eastern actions by the United States are primarily business. Influence-money-money-influence, for one and the turnover of the military-industrial complex, as well as about the military-industrial complex-shnyh contractors.
                    America received something, just not a visa for a long time, not a visa as much as she wanted, well, this is a business, not always everything is the way you want it, especially when Obamot has been doing business for 8 years. He's still a businessman.
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2021 08: 53
      +9

      Victor_B (Victor Petrovich)
      Today, 08: 38
      NEW
      +1
      Litaka developers have outplayed computer games.
      And I've seen enough Hollywood films, where transparent screens hang in the air, and in them blondes of superheroes are elegantly poking their fingers with their fingers.
      Now the Israeli sofa ehsperds will start extinguishing you, get ready! wink
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 28 January 2021 10: 28
        -5
        Quote: aszzz888
        Now the Israeli sofa ehsperds will start extinguishing you, get ready!

        Why now?
        For five years, they extinguish and YOU a couple of times, or even more a month, jump up and down on the couch out of anger.
        1. Dimon Krasnodar
          Dimon Krasnodar 28 January 2021 20: 49
          0
          That some, that others are engaged in nonsense)))
          They extinguish and get angry on sofas, the sofa is like a battlefield))
          Friends, why do you need planes? Better discuss sofas, there will be more benefits.
      2. lucul
        lucul 28 January 2021 12: 28
        +2
        Now the Israeli sofa ehsperds will start extinguishing you, get ready!

        Not)))) Israeli pilots mostly fly in a straight line, without large overloads - that's why they don't know about such a problem))))
        1. ironic
          ironic 28 January 2021 16: 30
          -1
          They have also played with computers and smartphones since childhood, so they do not poke their fingers at the displays in disgust.
          1. lucul
            lucul 28 January 2021 18: 15
            -1
            They have also played with computers and smartphones since childhood, so they do not poke their fingers at the displays in disgust.

            Yes, no, they are simply afraid of overloads - hence they do not know about the problem aha-ahah)
            1. ironic
              ironic 28 January 2021 18: 18
              0
              And they are also afraid of underloading, but already from youth, therefore they disdain screens, rule one-armed-joes. The lucky one is given a prize for winning a battle. lol
              1. lucul
                lucul 28 January 2021 18: 20
                -2
                And they are also afraid of underloading, but already from youth, therefore they disdain screens, rule one-armed-joes. The lucky one is given a prize for winning a battle.

                How many years have you had it there? ))) And not a single pilot has flown during this time with maximum overloads)))
                That's all you need to know about Israel pilots, aha-ahah))))
                1. ironic
                  ironic 28 January 2021 19: 26
                  -2
                  He didn't fly at all. stop Like the pilots of Israel, these are all Jewish mothers and grandmothers. repeat When they heard that they were putting children and grandchildren on penguins, they ran and told the Iranians of their grandmother's tales so that they still have a pestilence among heavy-runners and nuclear scientists. yes They are dying with laughter. laughing Some bearded men in dresses are still left. good

                  And he turned out to be able to make a cobra even with a restriction of 7G and a prog below 3F and a bunch of trash on the external sling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1P0Zk3cJQ Penguin, what to take from him. negative
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 28 January 2021 19: 31
                    -2
                    And he turned out to be able to make a cobra even with a restriction of 7G and a prog below 3F and a bunch of trash on the external sling.

                    So it's the Americans)))))
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 28 January 2021 19: 47
                      -1
                      Exactly, but the Israelites were the first to be declared combat-ready. "Everything is correct and further spelled correctly - beef" (C)
                  2. Dart
                    Dart 28 January 2021 23: 33
                    +1
                    indistinct pixelized black and white gif, this is supposedly 35, cobra and even 3G where should it be? laughing laughing wassat wassat good
                    what other cartoons would you suggest?
      3. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 29
        -1
        Well, what about your couch? It would have been something else, it would not have needed an eksperdiza. wink
        1. lucul
          lucul 28 January 2021 18: 16
          0
          Well, what about your couch? It would have been something else, it would not have needed an eksperdiza.

          Aha-ahah satisfied with hysteria))))
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 20: 40
            -2
            Satisfaction with your hysteria is counted, hysterical to health. tongue
    3. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 16: 25
      -2
      Now the developers of infantry support fighting vehicles are playing computer games and they are also doing better than before.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 28 January 2021 08: 39
    +13
    Jewish comrades will easily convince these pilots as they know for sure that the F35 is the best.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2021 08: 51
      +3

      Pessimist22 (Igor)
      Today, 08: 39
      NEW
      +1
      Jewish comrades will easily convince these pilots as they know for sure that the F35 is the best.
      You mean those who are great ehsperds on the site)) laughing Fifosky imperfection?
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 28 January 2021 10: 05
        +6
        They have an argument, one pilot said he loved the plane. smile
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 28 January 2021 10: 09
          +1

          Pessimist22 (Igor)
          Today, 10: 05

          +1
          They have an argument one pilot said he was delighted with the plane. smile
          Oh yeah! They hike to their nat. the anthem will be launched his words! wink
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 28 January 2021 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      The F35 is the best.

      For bombing from foreign territory
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 28 January 2021 10: 07
        0

        Lipchanin (Sergey)
        Today, 09: 37
        NEW

        +1
        Quote: Pessimist22
        The F35 is the best.

        For bombing from foreign territory
        Yes, like from Lebanon! wink And then he darted back to avoid getting it. laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 28 January 2021 10: 12
          -6
          Quote: aszzz888
          And then he darted back to avoid getting it.

          Or substitute another plane as our IL am
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 16: 38
            -4
            Which turns out to be framed by Greek, Cyprus and Turkish Airlines? Why do you substitute the competence of important people like that? They may be offended. Not a reader either?
        2. ironic
          ironic 28 January 2021 16: 35
          -3
          You poorly read articles on MO. You see, you are not a reader, you are a writer ... merged. wink
      2. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 34
        -2
        And with her too. lol
    3. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 16: 33
      -2
      It is not known how to convince unknown pilots, but even the unknown is easy with us. Just like in an anecdote, you read and rejoice and what we just can't! That's it, I don't read Israeli portals anymore, there is more and more that we cannot.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 28 January 2021 08: 39
    +15
    "Overloading and working with touch monitors are incompatible": the pilot spoke about the problems when piloting F-35 fighters

    Well really, NOT BORED ???
    Let our pilots tell you how it works on our new technology !!! It was much more interesting and informative !!!
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 28 January 2021 08: 49
      +13
      Quote: rocket757
      Let our pilots tell you how it works on our new technology !!!

      So our buttons are iron, large around the screens!
      You can press by touch.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 28 January 2021 08: 53
        +6
        Some unfinished minusors in a quantity of 2 pieces were stuffed ...
        All posts have 2 minuses.
        How can I help. All present from me on the plus!
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 28 January 2021 10: 43
          +3
          minusers in a quantity of 2 pieces stuffed ...
          Are you sure there are 2? With annual innovations, now you don't know how many liked your comment and how many didn't. Only - total. And the day before yesterday, on the Ukrainian theme (the purchase of weapons by Ukraine), at least 7 minus was coordinated.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 28 January 2021 10: 45
            +2
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Are you sure there are 2?

            As of "Today 08:53"
            At this point, there were only 10 posts ...
            Then others pulled up.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 28 January 2021 09: 40
        +13
        Quote: Victor_B
        our buttons are iron, large around the screens!
        You can press by touch.

        Those who are older should remember: after the collapse of the Union, the bourgeois fanned the topic of the security of Russian nuclear weapons. The reason was the case when some computer bully got to the American communications satellite and allegedly got access to the codes. At a press conference, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces was asked: is it possible to hack a Russian satellite for the sake of codes? He answered without batting an eye - of course: you just need to fly up to the satellite, break the barn lock with a pry bar and rewrite the codes with a pencil ...
      3. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 40
        -3
        Look at the photos of the Su-57 cockpit, but for one MiG-35 ... wink
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 28 January 2021 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Let our pilots tell you how it works on our new technology !!! It was much more interesting and informative !!!

      Our pilots gave a subscription. About the state secret. Therefore, they will not write anything like that.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 January 2021 12: 32
        0
        Things are secret, so familiar, BUT, a lot can be told without revealing any secrets! It will be useful to learn firsthand, and not read / listen to any nonsense from anywhere.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 28 January 2021 13: 27
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Things are secret, so familiar, BUT, a lot can be told without revealing any secrets! It will be useful to learn firsthand, and not read / listen to any nonsense from anywhere

          Similar screens MUST be installed on both the Su-35 and the Su-57 ... Our pilots will not praise their planes.
  4. Errr
    Errr 28 January 2021 08: 42
    +2
    New American TV series "Working with a File"; "Santa Barbara" nervously smokes on the sidelines. laughing
    1. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 16: 41
      -1
      And they are also horses! - settlement Rzhevsky (C)
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 January 2021 08: 49
    +4
    "Overloading and working with touch monitors are incompatible": the pilot spoke about the problems when piloting F-35 fighters
    Now Jewish eхsperm will devour the Merikatos pilot. laughing For in their concept, what was done in merikatosia and BOUGHT for huge grandmothers by Israel, a priori cannot be bad. And then Natte, again pour mud on the penguin))! tongue
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 28 January 2021 08: 57
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      and BOUGHT for huge grandmothers by Israel,

      Free of charge!
      That is, for nothing!
      (If you refuse - you will offend!)
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 28 January 2021 09: 01
        0

        Victor_B (Victor Petrovich)
        Today, 08: 57

        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        and BOUGHT for huge grandmothers by Israel,

        Free of charge!
        That is, for nothing!
        (If you refuse - you will offend!)
        - Bambarmia! Kirgoudou!
        - "He said that if you refuse, they will stab you. ...." laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 28 January 2021 09: 40
          +1
          Quote: aszzz888
          - "He said that if you refuse, they will stab you. ...."

          "We will make you an offer that you cannot refuse"
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 28 January 2021 10: 05
            -1

            Lipchanin (Sergey)
            Today, 09: 40
            NEW

            +1
            Quote: aszzz888
            - "He said that if you refuse, they will stab you. ...."

            "We will make you an offer that you cannot refuse"
            And the Merikatos "made them an offer"! And for what grandmas! I believe that even the local Jewish ehsperds do not know what kind of money they were promoted to! bully
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 28 January 2021 10: 13
              0
              Quote: aszzz888
              And the Merikatos "made them an offer"! And for what grandmas! I believe that even the local Jewish ehsperds do not know what kind of money they were promoted to!

              And they will find out, they will lose the power of speech and we will take a break from them on the website lol
          2. kytx
            kytx 28 January 2021 10: 11
            +1
            laughing in vain
            The Israeli Air Force really wanted these planes and the pilots were delighted
            but the government just frowned
            because it's expensive
            1. bobba94
              bobba94 28 January 2021 17: 34
              +1
              American gratuitous military aid to Israel is $ 3,5 billion annually. Freebie. But there is a condition - weapons must be purchased in the States.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 28 January 2021 09: 39
      -2
      Quote: aszzz888
      devour the Merikatos pilot.

      Israel will see the "hand of Moscow" and "Agent Putin"
      1. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 45
        -1
        This is the hand that agreed with Bibi to double the goods turnover, to 6 lard? Or is it that hand that is investing many millions in Israeli medical development and scientific activity?
    3. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 16: 43
      -1
      Well, yes for huge, about 90M at a price for the F-15EX of about 120. No, why are the most popular news tweets on the walls of restrooms?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 29 January 2021 01: 17
        0
        ironic (Sasha)
        Yesterday, 16: 43
        NEW

        0
        Well, yes for huge, about 90M at a price for the F-15EX of about 120. No, why are the most popular news tweets on the walls of restrooms?
        Immediately you can see - specials ONLY for latrine! laughing tongue laughing
        1. ironic
          ironic 29 January 2021 14: 18
          -2
          Well, yes, you see exactly this, but where else from the battle sofa then, post-latrine-sofa. How do you know that there is another life? fool
  6. Abdula
    Abdula 28 January 2021 08: 56
    -20%
    I don't understand and people like all this crazy news the same thing AU PEOPLE WHERE SU 577777 is one serial is not a question for discussion otherwise an airplane for show, like Admiral Kuznetsov approached Syria, dropped a couple of airplanes and proudly left smoking the entire Persian Gulf flew to Syria a couple of su 57 and that the silence is where the promised release of su57 for parades, like Armata, is all the same for show and parades, but palaces with a pole and an aquodiskoteka and olegarchs with a fleet are larger than in Russia
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 28 January 2021 09: 13
      +11
      Abdula (Abdula), keep observing and informing the public
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 January 2021 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: Thrall
        keep observing and informing the public

        It is very interesting to listen to fakes about palaces
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 28 January 2021 11: 53
          -1
          Palaces are very interesting fakes listen


          "Nothing that is listed there as my property, neither me, nor my close relatives belongs and never did. Never."

          It was also interesting for me to listen .. it was he about the palace in the ears defecated 150 million Russians, or about Liza Krivonogikh ..))
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 28 January 2021 12: 04
            +3
            Who owns these palaces back in 2011 was told
            And the basement works on the principle that everything is new, well forgotten old
          2. lucul
            lucul 28 January 2021 12: 23
            0
            It was also interesting for me to listen .. it was he about the palace in the ears defecated 150 million Russians, or about Liza Krivonogikh ..))

            The palace is guarded by the FSB, and it has nothing to do with the president.
            All places that the President of the Russian Federation visits, or just thinks to visit, are protected by the FSO)))
        2. ironic
          ironic 28 January 2021 16: 46
          0
          An unknown pilot is more interesting than a famous patient. lol
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 28 January 2021 09: 42
      +1
      Quote: Abdula
      where is the promised release of su57

      We are fighting with someone and without them we are now kirdyk?
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 28 January 2021 11: 58
        -1
        We are fighting with someone and without them we are now kirdyk?


        1. We are not at war with anyone .. then why do we need any development at all .. Yesterday some new torpedo was adopted. then they poured money into Armata, then some Zircons / Peresvets ..
        2. When we start fighting, and "without something there will be a kirdyk" - there will be no place to talk about the Su-57 ..
        3. The key phrase was - "promised release" This means that somewhere at the top they decided that without them we would have a kirdyk ..


        PS Ah, this is Lipchanin .. here logical thinking is useless to apply ..))
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 28 January 2021 12: 10
          +3
          Quote: Roman123567
          here logical thinking is useless to apply.

          Roman123567, but the logic is simple, there is no hurry, you need to bring it to mind as it should be. We have nothing to fight with? And with whom?
          the Americans hurried with the Fu-35, now they have a semi-finished product.
          And why are they not making noise in the hall, that the catapult for the aircraft carrier will not be brought to mind? Yes, they just understand that haste is needed ... well, by the way, everyone knows when
          Logical you are ours, the beauty and pride of the logical community laughing
          Only next to your writing, logic did not stand next to No.
          Yes, there on the branch below it is well told about the fu-35, go and tell everyone about this miracle papelats
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 16: 48
            -3
            Perhaps that is why the unhurriedly made first serial from the first flight gave way to the second?
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 29 January 2021 01: 19
              0
              ironic (Sasha)
              Yesterday, 16: 48
              NEW

              -2
              Perhaps that is why the unhurriedly made first serial from the first flight gave way to the second?
              Aha, forgot to ask you! tongueIt is clear where the breeze is blowing from! wassat
              1. ironic
                ironic 29 January 2021 14: 14
                -2
                Well, yes, I reminded you. wink Don't forget to ask me. good And then where are you going to go? Will you stop writing? But what about shoulder straps? request
                So I even wrote the city where I live right on the forum. I'm not a hypocrite. No.
        2. lucul
          lucul 28 January 2021 12: 24
          +1
          then why do we need any development at all ..

          To say what you wanted? ))))
    3. Nasrat
      Nasrat 28 January 2021 10: 42
      +9
      Quote: Abdula
      ... Admiral Kuznetsov approached Syria dropped a couple of planes and proudly left smoking the whole Persian Gulf.

      Abdullah's geography is very bad, as is the Russian language itself ... wassat


      wassat
    4. Roman123567
      Roman123567 28 January 2021 11: 49
      -4
      I don't understand and people like all this crazy news


      I like it .. Because of this, their personality grows, and a sense of patriotism ..
      If the F-35 pilot has overloads, then you can forget about your Su-57s against this background ..
      After all, any local patriot knows that our pair of Su-57s is cooler than hundreds of flying F-35s ..))
      1. lucul
        lucul 28 January 2021 12: 26
        +1
        If the F-35 pilot has overloads, then you can forget about your Su-57s against this background ..

        So the Su-57 does not have everything sensory, like the F-35)))
        1. ironic
          ironic 28 January 2021 16: 49
          -2
          And the fact that the touch is not quite touch? Is it like in an anecdote about a capitalist and sociolist paradise?
          1. lucul
            lucul 28 January 2021 18: 18
            0
            And the fact that the touch is not quite touch? Is it like in an anecdote about a capitalist and sociolist paradise?

            Aha-ahah, read the text carefully))))
            1. ironic
              ironic 28 January 2021 19: 28
              -2
              Shaw? Inattentive touch? lol

              I didn’t know, and I forgot what my school physicist used to say.
              http://indiafoxtecho.blogspot.com/2010/01/finally-he-cockpit-model-is-almost.html
              1. lucul
                lucul 28 January 2021 19: 30
                +1
                Inattentive touch?

                Carefully)))
                not all sensory
                1. ironic
                  ironic 28 January 2021 19: 46
                  -2
                  Carefully. At least start paying attention to the pictures. It's easier than reading. wink
  7. syndicalist
    syndicalist 28 January 2021 08: 58
    +2
    Another argument in favor of the end of the era of manned aircraft.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2021 09: 04
      0

      syndicalist (Dimon)
      Today, 08: 58
      0
      Another argument that the era of manned aircraft is over.
      Damn, I almost choked! Well, you can't do that, immediately and indirectly! bully
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 28 January 2021 09: 09
        +3
        Quote: aszzz888
        indirectly

        Thursday is today. Consequently it was desecrated.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 28 January 2021 09: 13
          -7

          Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich)
          Today, 09: 09

          0
          Quote: aszzz888
          indirectly

          Thursday is today. Consequently it was desecrated.

          For the gifted)) laughing
          The meaning of the word MEDIATED. What ...kartaslov.ru ›word-meaning› indirectly
          1.adverb to the adjective mediated, not directly; indirectly...
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 28 January 2021 09: 19
            +7
            For the gifted))

            Well, the obvious joke with the "affirmed". Don't you understand?
            Age or what? At half past five, does your sense of humor hang with other systems?
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 28 January 2021 09: 24
              -7

              Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich)
              Today, 09: 19

              -1
              For the gifted))

              Well, the obvious joke with the "affirmed". Don't you understand?
              Age or what? At half past five, does your sense of humor hang with other systems?
              You should take care of your "systems" with your age! tongue
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 28 January 2021 09: 33
                0
                Quote: aszzz888
                You should take care of your "systems" with your age!

                My systems are all right, praise Ahura Mazda!
                But with yours is clearly a matter of seams. How long can you pull up? And push up, and run? Should be as many as books have been read in the last ten years, that is, not at all.
                Exacerbation ...
                1. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 28 January 2021 10: 11
                  -2

                  Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich)
                  Today, 09: 33

                  0
                  Quote: aszzz888
                  You should take care of your "systems" with your age!

                  My systems are all right, praise Ahura Mazda!
                  But with yours is clearly a matter of seams. How long can you pull up? And push up, and run? Should be as many as books have been read in the last ten years, that is, not at all.
                  Exacerbation ...
                  Uuuuu how everything is running! This is already a clinic. Adieu, my young friend! bully
        2. Thrall
          Thrall 28 January 2021 09: 14
          0
          So maybe it can reach an unmanned electric scooter smile
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 16: 53
            -1
            And even worse - a tricycle and no barbed wire ... crying
      2. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 52
        -1
        Sofa overloads they are, the era of piloted sofas is coming to an end.
    2. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 16: 51
      -1
      If you put three dots at the end of the phrase, I would add just one word ... -> bad.
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 January 2021 09: 02
    +4
    Well, what's wrong again? The impression is that American pilots are looking only for reasons not to fly on lop-assed! And the Jews praise the penguins!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2021 09: 08
      0
      tralflot1832 (Andrey S.)
      Today, 09: 02
      +1
      Well, what's wrong again? The impression is that American pilots are looking only for reasons not to fly on lop-assed! And the Jews praise the penguins!
      For SUCH grandmothers, thrown out by Jews to buy imperfections, not only "praise", the dust is driven from them apparent day is frantic! bully
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 09: 13
        +1
        There, as far as I remember, after every third flight it is necessary to restore the famous stealth coating, which is a pretty penny))
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 28 January 2021 09: 21
          0

          Sith Lord (Jorge)
          Today, 09: 13

          +1
          There, as far as I remember, after every third flight it is necessary to restore the famous stealth coating, which is a pretty penny))
          hi ! So yes, something is cracking)) coating. And it is, according to their own Merikatos concerns, a very expensive business. Or something was not reported to the composition, or on the wrong drying oil they unleashed! bully
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 09: 24
            +1
            And it, according to their own Merikatos concerns, is a very expensive business. Or something was not reported to the composition, or on the wrong drying oil they unleashed!

            So exactly hi

            Sawing and rollback, and indeed fu-35 is a stupidly commercial project.
            But I want to note that it was quite successful, the dough was raised on this flying clumsy guard)))
        2. ironic
          ironic 28 January 2021 16: 56
          -2
          Yeah, and you also need to fart twice in the shredder and make Ku.
      2. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 55
        -1
        Uh-huh, the last time they drove gold dust over Lebanon again, but not with radars, visually, the photographer turned out to be the same literate as you, confused with the F-15.
    2. lucul
      lucul 28 January 2021 12: 32
      +1
      Well, what is wrong again? It seems that American pilots are looking only for reasons not to fly on sluggish asses!

      They have more comfortable planes for this - F-15 for example)))
      1. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 16: 57
        -2
        And in Israel they are not. From the same these Jews are cunning. And here they found out how to fly on everything. bully
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 29 January 2021 01: 24
          0
          ironic (Sasha)
          Yesterday, 16: 57
          NEW

          -1
          And in Israel they are not. From the same these Jews are cunning. And here they found out how to fly on everything. bully
          The Russians have a proverb: "The one who laughs last laughs well!" When the Jewish flyer is overwhelmed, you will start howling differently! And what will the Evgei togvarisches say to this?
          1. ironic
            ironic 29 January 2021 14: 11
            -2
            So one F-16 was shot down, well, they paid for it with several air defense batteries at once. So they talked about it, but what else to say? And we have been laughing for a long time, with people like you, at first they shouted they will shoot down and the Jewish flyers will do it, then they will install the S-300 and do it. Then something else, then something else, and we all laugh the last and laugh. Do you know what will happen next? People like you will be safely buried in a hole, just like the previous generation was buried, and the new generation of Israelis will also laugh last, to spread those who grind their teeth on them and trade with the Russian Federation for more and more billions of dollars a year, from which such a whooper, like you, will release more and more bile, which accelerates the advance into the pit. You can kill yourself up a wall about the fact that the project in which I run all the software was largely paid for by Russian investors. Probably they are completely monoreproductive to such hysterics like you. And there would be more of them.
  9. prior
    prior 28 January 2021 09: 03
    +4
    Oh, it's not for nothing that the F-35 was called a penguin.
    The penguin is an animal of two environments, nimble in water and clumsy on land.
    Apparently, when designing the F-35, it was supposed to be very nimble, but in fact it turned out like a penguin on land ... either the stealth protection flies around, then the head off the helmet, then the touch buttons are not pressed against overloads. Underdetermined fighter.
    1. lucul
      lucul 28 January 2021 12: 36
      +2
      Oh, it's not for nothing that the F-35 was called a penguin.
      The penguin is an animal of two environments, nimble in water and clumsy on land.

      Do you know why? Look at the photo below)))
      1. Ax Matt
        Ax Matt 28 January 2021 15: 58
        +1
        Tovarisch! In your photo ... F-22, not F-35! Even an amateur would not confuse them ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 28 January 2021 17: 03
          +1
          And he doesn't know that. lol
          1. lucul
            lucul 28 January 2021 18: 14
            +2
            Tovarisch! In your photo ... F-22, not F-35! Even an amateur would not confuse them

            And he doesn't know that.

            Hmm, where's the penguin?

            And this is probably why the penguin is the most nimble aircraft in the range from 0.9 to 1.2M, but you can't talk about it out loud, otherwise suddenly someone breaks the template and spreads to the sofa, how to live further?

            Aha-ahah here and Haifa pulled herself up and began to spray saliva aha-ahah))))
            1. ironic
              ironic 28 January 2021 18: 27
              -1
              Again, you don't know, but did you check in? Not Haifa, Kfar Saba. Well, yes, I'm pulling up, I have a horizontal bar at home. Well, not a sofa on which stretching.
              1. lucul
                lucul 28 January 2021 18: 29
                +1
                Again, you don't know, but did you check in? Not Haifa, Kfar Saba.

                Former pilot? )))
                1. ironic
                  ironic 28 January 2021 18: 42
                  -1
                  Clean shoulder straps, a clear conscience in the armies of both cities. There is a signalman cableman of the central subordination of Marshal Belov, here he drove an armored jeep, engineering troops, now both retired. What else to report for? soldier
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 28 January 2021 18: 47
                    0
                    What else to report for?

                    Yes, they just usually attract the military when they themselves cannot cope, so he asked)))
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 28 January 2021 19: 44
                      -2
                      Well, except that when there was a flood in the Negev, with such a simple soldier without a brother, you can’t fight, the last time several F-16s had to be caught. But I think in fact the Air Force itself coped with this. They always get everything first.
                  2. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 28 January 2021 19: 29
                    0
                    Quote: ironic
                    signalman cable operator of central subordination of Marshal Belov


                    From the comments, the electric troops are immediately felt. Colleagues.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 28 January 2021 19: 42
                      -1
                      Well, yes, I also felt from your comments that you did not go through what you write about according to the manuals. drinks
                      1. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 28 January 2021 19: 46
                        +1
                        Today I came across your KSHM Ofek Command in the news feed. Impressed.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 28 January 2021 19: 51
                        -1
                        Yes, it just started, the twos removed by replacing the 4s began to be re-profiled, the triples too. Not to be melted down at once good. It will still serve. Oleg Granovsky wrote a couple of messages about this.
    2. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 17: 02
      -1
      Hmm, where's the penguin?
  10. ironic
    ironic 28 January 2021 17: 01
    -1
    And this is probably why the penguin is the most nimble aircraft in the range from 0.9 to 1.2M, but you can't talk about it out loud, otherwise suddenly someone breaks the template and spreads to the sofa, how to live further?
    1. zlinn
      zlinn 28 January 2021 18: 25
      0
      moreover, this is the most used range, speeds above Mach 1,44 are rarely used in general, well, this is statistics, of course, but if you need it badly, then the F-35 flies perfectly at 1,6
      1. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 18: 52
        -1
        On TTX 1.6M this is the maximum, but without afterburner it ends at 1.2M with a little. Therefore, they blame him all the time saying that the supersonic sound is 1.25M and more, like it is not quite a boosted supersonic speed. But his strong point is precisely the range 0.9-1.2, while Sushki shows their super-maneuverability with all super-culls at 0.5-0.7M. A 1.1M without afterburner is available for them only at low altitude. So it turns out that a big surprise may turn out to be in a collision with this worthless penguin on the frontline contact line with our neighbors, who are potential buyers of Sushki and Migov. Because at speeds above 1.5M this is only afterburner for the sake of getting out of the battle or high-speed interception at altitude, otherwise the fuel will quickly run out.
        1. zlinn
          zlinn 28 January 2021 19: 17
          0
          moreover, if the penguin's maximum applied speed and the speed of non-eksids is almost the same, then for dryers, MIGs and other f-16/15, it strongly depends on the weight of weapons and all sorts of containers, but the 57th will probably be better with this , but our neighbors are unlikely to have them soon, and together with dloiu in sufficient quantities, I hope never
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 19: 54
            -2
            Well, the 57th for our neighbors is clearly a matter of the distant future, and it will not be in the same body kit as in the Russian Federation.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 09: 11
    0
    How many problems with the plane are there? More than 800?
    Not surprising))
    The American flight school was blown away.
    1. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 17: 05
      -3
      Exactly, but at the same time ~ 600 fly, and several fell. Su-57 fly two, or rather already one. wink
  • nsm1
    nsm1 28 January 2021 09: 13
    +2
    Wow, it came!
    They did not conduct any tests at all!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2021 09: 15
      -2
      nsm1
      Today, 09: 13
      +1
      Wow, it came!
      They did not conduct any tests at all!
      good It turns out that YES! wink
      1. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 18: 37
        -4
        Enters and exits, it comes out remarkably only in Eeyore. And the list of shortcomings comes from the tests, but it is not necessary for XPerdam to know about this, they are zizitopes in the tops in linear meters.

        I will bring to the top,
        I'll drink some syrup.
        Who said to fight
        should I go with the couch ?!
        Don't care about phobias
        Down with utopia!
        I am the generalissimo
        in the background!
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 29 January 2021 01: 28
          -1
          ironic (Sasha)
          Yesterday, 18: 37
          NEW

          -2
          Enters and exits, it comes out remarkably only in Eeyore.
          It can be seen, another Jewish donkey showed up. Just make faces, and scribble templates for matzo - you are not capable of more. Adieu, the wanderer in the desert! tongue laughing wassat
          1. ironic
            ironic 29 January 2021 14: 00
            -1
            Well, as if no one would be surprised that you scribbled epaulets for yourself with your rudeness and stupidity. negative And for the faces you know from your experience? Symptomatic. That the template has already begun to spread under you? Don't be so obviously jealous of matzo, you'll choke on saliva. What other adieu is there, read where you can go and scribble another answer. bully
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 28 January 2021 12: 09
      0
      So the funny thing is that it did not pass acceptance, but has already been adopted and is being produced.
    3. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 17: 05
      -1
      And how do they know about 800?
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 09: 16
    -2
    Quote: Thrall
    The F-35 is not a product for war, it is a business project for commerce and political intrigue.

    To the point good

    All NATO and Israel were put in cancer and the grandmother was removed to sell this imperfection))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 January 2021 12: 07
      -1
      Give us another fifty such "imperfections",
      and the Israeli Air Force will be the most modern in the world. laughing
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 12: 18
        -5
        Fresh giving, but hard to believe))

        Is this in order to shake the Syrian and Iranian troops from Lebanese territory?
        Basically, shit, set fire and ran down the stairs laughing
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 28 January 2021 12: 23
          +1
          F-16s operate from Lebanese territory. F-35 is not required.
          And the F-35 fly to work in northern and eastern Syria, Iraq, Iran.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 12: 27
            -1
            Why do they fly, tell me? Is it because Israel is 178% aggressive?

            Because they don't want to be friends with their neighbors?
            1. ironic
              ironic 28 January 2021 17: 10
              +1
              And this is probably why the neighbors decided to reconcile with him for the most part, Syria, PA and Gaza remained ... well, and a few more hesitant types of Saud and Qatar. Shaw they all signed the peace treaties?
          2. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 17: 08
            -2
            Over Lebanon, too, on a regional basis, recently again.
      2. lucul
        lucul 28 January 2021 12: 37
        +1
        Give us another fifty such "imperfections",
        and the Israeli Air Force will be the most modern in the world

        Do your pilots fly with overloads? )))
        1. ironic
          ironic 28 January 2021 20: 17
          -2
          With underloads and a song, hop stop, we came from around the corner ... wink
    2. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 17: 08
      +2
      And this imperfection now hovers either a proxy in Syria, then a circle has given over Iran, as many as the heads of air defense schnicks with large shoulder straps fell.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 28 January 2021 09: 29
    +5
    Undoubtedly, the F-35 currently has 100500 problems, but anyone and anything can write to the Hush-Kit without any restrictions. This is an aviation blog that makes the idle chatter of a number of VO contributors look like a doctoral dissertation. To use it as an authoritative source would be a very dubious and imprudent step by the editors. hi
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2021 10: 22
      -2

      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
      Today, 09: 29
      +3
      Undoubtedly, the F-35 currently has 100500 problems, but anyone and anything can write to the Hush-Kit without any restrictions. This is an aviation blog that makes the idle chatter of a number of VO contributors look like a doctoral dissertation. Use it as an authoritative source it would be a very dubious and imprudent step by the editorial board. hi
      And here is the authoritative)) laughing opinion. laughing
    2. lucul
      lucul 28 January 2021 12: 38
      -4
      but anyone and anything can write on Hush-Kit without any restrictions. This is an aviation blog

      That is why the pilot's opinion passed the censorship, which is why it is valuable)))
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 28 January 2021 12: 50
        0
        Quote: lucul
        That is why the pilot's opinion passed the censorship, which is why it is valuable)))

        I appreciate your humor! drinks hi
        1. lucul
          lucul 28 January 2021 12: 54
          0
          I appreciate your humor

          And you also have a question - do your Israeli pilots fly even with overload? )))
          This old pilot, habitually laid the overload in 8-9G, but it turns out to be terribly inconvenient on the newfangled sensor))))
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 28 January 2021 13: 01
            -2
            Quote: lucul
            And you also have a question - do your Israeli pilots fly even with overload? )))
            This old pilot, habitually laid the overload in 8-9G, but it turns out to be terribly inconvenient on the sensor))))

            We don't have a Hush-Kit. There is nowhere to post bullshit. I'll go and ask the pilots. wassat
          2. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 29 January 2021 14: 43
            -1
            Quote: lucul
            , habitually laid the overload in 8-9G


            On 9G, the person is disconnected. Even the operational overload of the fighter can be less.
      2. ironic
        ironic 28 January 2021 17: 12
        -2
        An unknown saw passed by an unknown censor by an unknown one. It is known for sure!
  • bar
    bar 28 January 2021 09: 40
    +5
    The main problem with touch screens is the inability to use them during turbulence or overload. In about 20% of cases, the pilot makes a mistake when trying to enter this or that command.

    Suddenly laughing
    The same problem exists even on cars with newfangled touch screens and "virtual buttons", which you can get into when moving figs. What can we say about airplanes with their overloads. It is clear that "virtual buttons", of which hundreds can be drawn on the display, are worth nothing compared to mechanical ones. But there is a limit to any reduction in price.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 28 January 2021 09: 41
    -1
    Long ago Zhvanetsky wrote:
    "Let's argue about the taste of oysters and coconuts with those
    who ate them, until they were hoarse, before a fight, perceiving the taste of food by ear,
    color on the tooth, stink on the eye, imagining a movie by name,
    painting by last name, country by "Film Travel Club", poignancy
    opinions on the reader ".
  • LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 28 January 2021 10: 00
    +2
    Well, we abandoned the touch keyboard 15 years ago (on IL38) laughing
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 28 January 2021 10: 03
      0
      Even 30 years ago
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 January 2021 10: 03
    +4
    In the car, it is also not convenient to poke the sensor on the go ... but now everything is done through them
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 28 January 2021 10: 31
      +5
      Somewhere it was shown that their sailors also spoke out against touch control on the latest ships - it is not convenient in rolling conditions
      1. Severok
        Severok 28 January 2021 21: 33
        0
        Quote: KERMET
        not comfortable in rolling conditions

        very much. Check it out for yourself, trying to set up the radio in a car with a touch-sensitive touchpad while driving on a dirt road.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 January 2021 10: 25
    +5
    Interestingly, this is a pilot during a combat situation that has to type on the virtual keyboard? And the load, and the control of the situation, those data, weapons ...............
  • Konnick
    Konnick 28 January 2021 10: 46
    +3
    According to the experience of driving various cars, buttons are more convenient to operate than through a touch screen, especially if the principles of information content are observed. The buttons and levers require virtually no visual control. The voice is even more convenient, and this pilot may have a problem with diction and pronunciation like an African American. Photo in the studio, and their tactility suffers. and getting to the desired function on the touch screen is still an adventure. Heated seats to include through the touch screen is generally nonsense. Americans seem to have forgotten the principles of scientific ergonomics and followed the path of the creators of iPhones and Androids. Buttons are our Everything laughing
    1. Severok
      Severok 28 January 2021 21: 31
      0
      This pilot may have a problem with diction and pronunciation like an African American
      sorry you are wrong. Say a few words with significant alternating overload, then talk about the problem with diction. To check there are such attractions, Shells are called, spin in a circle, along the vertical component by a wave and also around its axis, this is how it is easiest to check diction and voice control there. Modern ergonomists, patients with voice control and touchpads, rare office hemp.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 January 2021 12: 03
    +1
    It is difficult for pilots of the old school to relearn on the F-35.
    They are looking for familiar toggle switches and buttons.
    In our F-35, young people are recruited, for whom "touch" is a familiar thing.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 28 January 2021 12: 15
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      young, for whom "touch" is a familiar thing.

      Worse. For very young technology without a wheelbarrow, it is simply strange and not usable, on this site I was 2-3 times from a computer, the rest of the time from a tablet or phone. About the index and thumb, this is just nonsense, obviously the person who wrote this exchanged for 4 decades. The conflict between generations was described in ancient Greek literature, so nothing new.
      1. lucul
        lucul 28 January 2021 12: 43
        -5
        About the index and thumb is just nonsense, obviously the person who wrote this changed for 4 decades.

        Yeah fighter pilot for 40+ years, yeah)))
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 28 January 2021 13: 03
          +1
          Boy, you still have a lot to learn in your life. From the norms of the Russian language and the realities of military service to the fact that 40+ life is just beginning.
          The fourth decade begins at the age of thirty, when the countdown of the thirty-first year begins, which refers to the first year of the fourth decade.





          https://russianknights.ru/sostav-gruppy-po-godam/
          1. lucul
            lucul 28 January 2021 13: 05
            -2
            Boy, you still have a lot to learn in your life. From the norms of the Russian language and the realities of military service to the fact that 40+ life is just beginning.

            You can fly in a straight line for 70+ years.
            It's about the tolerance of extreme overloads at the age of 40+))))
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 28 January 2021 13: 09
              +1
              Boy, look at the screenshots, there is the flight crew of the Russian Knights, count how old they are and what overloads they endure. A military pilot never dreamed of this.
              1. lucul
                lucul 28 January 2021 14: 00
                -4
                Boy, look at the screenshots, there is the flight crew of the Russian Knights, count how old they are and what overloads they endure. A military pilot never dreamed of this.

                There, the synchronization of flight is important, and this is an experience, not an overload. I have not seen extreme overloads in their performances.
    2. Severok
      Severok 28 January 2021 21: 27
      0
      for which "touch" is a familiar thing.
      sir, take the simplest example, car radio tape recorders with a touchpad and the old, analog type of control, but take a ride on that car with different radio tape recorders on an inferior primer! Yes, try to change the radio settings while driving on that dirt road while driving at a speed of 20 km / h and a little higher! How much guano will you pour on the touchpadists and then please write it down, refuse it pleasure !?
  • Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 28 January 2021 15: 53
    0
    So that's great! good But girls like shiny things! laughing
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 28 January 2021 15: 58
    -1
    Dumayu, shto evreyi F 35 khvaliat potomu shto pochti vsyu el. nachinku svyu vstavili.
    Mozhet bit ne tak uzh "peredovaya" kak emerikanskaya, no rabotaet.
    1. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 20: 25
      -1
      Well, this is well-known information that the Americans did not open the software core to anyone. Well, it's not hard to read. For Israel, a specific programming interface has been added to the core that allows you to output internal information from the core and transfer it back to the core for the integration of local attachments and weapons, which is not provided to anyone else. And also a special flying laboratory has been created, which also allows loading the readings of dozens of additional external sensors into the core for various kinds of research. But the Israelis don't throw away any pieces of the F-35. who invented this misinformation and disseminates, I do not understand right.
  • ironic
    ironic 28 January 2021 16: 24
    -3
    Yapatstal from this quote from an unknown pilot. This should be a meme - unknown pilot. Using your thumbs on a smartphone is more convenient than using your index fingers on a tablet. The unknown saws left the science of ergonomics unknown, as did the author of the article. It's horrible!
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 28 January 2021 17: 01
    +2
    The main problem with touch screens is the inability to use them during turbulence or overload. In about 20% of cases, the pilot makes a mistake when trying to enter this or that command.

    Tried in flight and slight turbulence to open a new file in a smartphone. On the third attempt it worked (the rest passed)
  • anjey
    anjey 28 January 2021 17: 28
    +3
    Also, claims were made regarding the pilot's helmet. This "technological miracle" worth 400 thousand dollars compresses information under the helmet's field of view so that it cannot be read.
    Collaborators from sunny Israel, always creative with high-tech technology laughing
    1. ironic
      ironic 28 January 2021 20: 34
      -2
      Real photos are more interesting laughing



      All are inferior to the Israeli Air Force. laughing
  • Severok
    Severok 28 January 2021 21: 21
    +2
    I am 44 years old and I can put my fly in the ointment into touchpads with ease. All these sensory toys are perfect nothing and dummy in those moments when it is extremely necessary to use them while in alternating overloads. An elementary example - use the radio in your car when driving on a dirt road, change its settings or change the track being played! On what radio tape recorder will it be done faster and easier ??? That's right where the analog controls are, not the touchpads.
    1. t-12
      t-12 29 January 2021 00: 42
      +2
      For all sorts of settings (which can and should be done on the ground) touch screens are quite suitable.

      And for operational actions (aircraft control, enemy attack, ejection) there is a steering wheel with a missile launch button and an ejection button. Those. you don't need a lot of analog controls.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 29 January 2021 07: 26
      0
      An elementary example - use the radio in your car when driving on a dirt road, change its settings or change the track being played! On what radio tape recorder will it be done faster and easier ???
      it is convenient and "kondey" to operate in the car and it is even possible without illumination - intuitively ..., with just one "twist" and two fingers, change the temperature without looking at the screen .. by the way! wink
  • Intruder
    Intruder 29 January 2021 07: 24
    -1
    The main problem with touch screens is the inability to use them in turbulence or overload.

    The era of finger-based interfaces and voice assistants, apparently ... laughing when this pilot came out of cryosleep! ??? Although the mechanics, with "bronze levers", could have been left, just for such, such as: "Downgrade Edition Limited", so that with VKK gloves, one could "steer" at 4g lol Joke!!!
  • Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 29 January 2021 13: 18
    0
    Well, of course, when an overload presses you into the chair, it is hard to work with the screen or you are shaken by turbulence. the same discovery for me. all planes have it
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 29 January 2021 14: 40
    0
    In about 20% of cases, the pilot makes a mistake when trying to enter this or that command.


    And with traditional toggle switches, how many percent is he wrong?