"Su-24 was still bombed in Afghanistan, and today they threaten the ships of the US Navy": Western press about aircraft developed by the USSR

The American media discusses the "survivability" of aircraft developed by the USSR in terms of the duration of their use. Business Insider points out that the planes that were built back in Soviet times are still actively exploited, not only in Russia, but also in many other countries. The American press also discusses the fact that the Soviet military and transport aviation to this day it is even operated by NATO countries.

The publication notes that the Su-24 bombers and their modifications, which are now part of the Russian Aerospace Forces, as well as such countries as Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Iran, Algeria, and others, are in active operation.

From the material:

These planes also bombed Afghanistan and are still operating, threatening the US Navy ships.

In particular, an example is given a flight of one of the versions of the Su-24 at low altitude over the American destroyer "Donald Cook". The same flight, which has already become overgrown with "mythology" and partially turned into memes.

Special attention is focused on strategic aviation. The author in Business Insider writes that the Tu-95 "Bear" aircraft were created in case of a possible nuclear war between the USSR and NATO countries. The article notes that "fortunately, such a war did not happen, but Russia is actively using these aircraft even after the end of another war - the Cold War." At the same time, the American observer for some reason does not say anything about the fact that the US Air Force uses strategic bombers that were created more than 60 years ago. The end of the Cold War for some reason did not prevent the United States from using its B-52s in the Air Force.

Speaking about NATO countries, it can be noted that Soviet (early Russian) aircraft are still used in Poland, Slovakia, Bulgaria. This indicates a high operating resource and reliability. The American press noted that this also says how advanced the Soviet weapon in my time.

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[seregatara1969]

What do you think? It was a big country

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: seregatara1969

It was a big country

Big and strong, but vulnerable on the inside. Wildly sorry that she was gone!

[Civil]

The USSR was powerful and strong. Until they exchanged for jeans with gum.

[krot]

The USSR was powerful and strong. Until they exchanged for jeans with gum.

Now they want to exchange for tik-tok for Facebook.

[Civil]

Quote: krot

Now they want to exchange for tik-tok for Facebook.

How is it different from working gum and jeans?

[sgrabik]

We exchanged the USSR for jeans and chewing gum, and what we got in the end was an under-market economy, "cosmic" prices for all goods and services, stratification of society into the poor and the rich, between whom there is an insurmountable abyss, here it is "democracy" in all its glory! !!

[Quadro]

Quote: sgrabik

We exchanged the USSR for jeans and chewing gum, and what we got in the end was an under-market economy, "cosmic" prices for all goods and services, stratification of society into the poor and the rich, between whom there is an insurmountable abyss, here it is "democracy" in all its glory! !!

So did you want capitalism, or did you think you would live like in Hollywood films? In his mansion with his model wife and a bunch of cars in the garage?

[sgrabik]

I personally never wanted capitalism, everything suited me before, but now the country is a complete mess, lack of justice and total corruption, that's exactly what no one ever wanted or dreamed of such a future, as they say: they wanted the best, but everything turned out as always!!!

[Alex777]

This is how Western capitalism thrives on the robbery of colonies.
As the robbery ends, it turns out that capitalism alone is not enough for a beautiful life.

[Captain45]

Quote: Civil

The USSR was powerful and strong. Until they exchanged for jeans with gum.

And in my opinion, according to your words, it turns out that the Union was not so powerful and strong, since it was exchanged for chewing gum.

[sgrabik]

And so it happened because of the stupidity and naivety of our individual leaders of the country, how ridiculous and unfair it is when the fate of many millions of people depends on the decisions of individual incompetent and erroneous leaders of the state (I mean Gorbachev and Yeltsin), the consequences of their ridiculous mistakes and delusions we now feel on ourselves to the fullest !!!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: sgrabik

And so it happened because of the stupidity and naivety of our individual leaders of the country, how ridiculous and unfair it is when the fate of many millions of people depends on the decisions of individual incompetent and erroneous leaders of the state (I mean Gorbachev and Yeltsin), the consequences of their ridiculous mistakes and delusions we now feel on ourselves to the fullest !!!

Both had no mistakes or delusions.
They led purposefully to what they led to.
Khrushchev's relapse into Trotskyism failed, they did it.
The filters on the party and state ladder were weak.

[Captain45]

Quote: sgrabik

And so it happened because of the stupidity and naivety of our individual leaders of the country, how ridiculous and unfair it is when the fate of many millions of people depends on the decisions of individual incompetent and erroneous leaders of the state (I mean Gorbachev and Yeltsin), the consequences of their ridiculous mistakes and delusions we now feel on ourselves to the fullest !!!

But what about the 18 million members of the CPSU and 5 million members of the Komsomol, or vice versa? I don’t remember after 30 years who, where, how much. It turns out that it was a herd that was foolishly led by some naive leaders? No, I am convinced that these were not rams, it was just the result of 70 years of hard pushing into the ears of people whose real life, unlike the propaganda of the CPSU Central Committee, was before their eyes. Therefore, they made their choice in 1991, only they had to choose from the bad and the even worse; they chose the worst, because they had already lived in the bad, and did not believe what they said about the worst, as everything that the party brought to the people's ears about honor, intelligence and the conscience of the era. Now, having made a fortune and having eaten their fill of the worst, the people will choose the best share. The question is that the criteria for this best share are acceptable for the whole society, or at least for its 90%, have not yet been formed, but for now "The idea will not take possession masses“As the founder said, any social and social changes are possible only in the form of a coup, a palace coup and the like seething of feces. as long as there is no acceptable proposal from the entire political party, then I will take care of myself.

[Real Pilot]

Su-24 was bombed in Afghanistan, but today ...

Let's remember the B-52, for example ... They also bombed Afghanistan, while sometimes they continue to do so today!

[tralflot1832]

They don't write about their B 52s, it's completely different. Why ours still fly, they saved the motor resource. For 25 years they haven't really flown.

[Ka-52]

Not only the B-52, the Americans are still in service with the early 16s F-80A

[tralflot1832]

F 16 is young, I just finished school when they started riveting it. And about B52, I was not in the project yet.

[Toucan]

Quote: Ka-52

Not only the B-52, the Americans are still in service with the early 16s F-80A

Limited in the Air National Guard. At the same time, these vehicles went through a program of dramatic improvement in combat characteristics.

[Ka-52]

Limited in the Air National Guard.

EMNIP on the National Guard F-16 of a later modification

At the same time, these vehicles went through a program of dramatic improvement in combat characteristics.

ours also underwent modernization. Compared to the basic version that rolled out in the mid-70s - heaven and earth

[Toucan]

Quote: Ka-52

EMNIP on the National Guard F-16 of a later modification

Including the upgraded F-16A. Here you can see:
https://topwar.ru/105793-sistema-pvo-severnoy-ameriki-chast-4.html

Quote: Ka-52

ours also underwent modernization. Compared to the basic version that rolled out in the mid-70s - heaven and earth

Excuse me, with all due respect, what basic versions have we upgraded?

[Ka-52]

Excuse me, with all due respect, what basic versions have we upgraded?

well, the basic cracker was a really heavy machine. Many changes were made there: the 21e engines were modified, the VZ was finalized, the K-36D was replaced, the mechanization was finalized, many changes were made to the avionics (ARPA, SPO, SRO, the RDSN were finalized), the number of pylons was increased and they were adapted for MZD. This is just what I remember. I think there were still changes

[Toucan]

You did not answer the question, what kind of basic modifications of the 70s have we recently modernized?
If you are talking about the Su-24M, then that car appeared much later.

[Ka-52]

If you are talking about the Su-24M, then that car appeared much later.

how much is it? EMNIP rolled out the basic one in the early 70s, and the emka appeared in the second half of the same 70s.

[Toucan]

Su-24M began to operate in the first half of the 80s. Massively began to switch to it since 1985.

[Ka-52]

Su-24M began to operate in the first half of the 80s. Massively began to switch to it since 1985.

Well, in Lipetsk2, basic ones appeared in TsBPiPLS back in 73. That you are fixated only on emke?

[Toucan]

What does "basic" have to do with it? Do you know how the Su-24 differs from the "emka"? But the differences are very significant. One way or another, there are no modernized aircraft of basic modifications of the 70s as part of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

[Ka-52]

What does "basic" have to do with it? Do you know how the Su-24 differs from the "emka"?

I know, I know, don't worry. You are thinking in Internet categories in which an index is assigned upon modification. And I'm talking about upgrades in the aircraft itself. And this technical work happens within the versions themselves. I wrote what was done above. Or do you not think this is a modernization?

there are no modernized aircraft of basic modifications of the 70s as part of the Russian Aerospace Forces

some kind of nonsense. Maybe we are talking about different things and therefore do not understand each other

[Toucan]

Glad you know
As for the "Internet categories", do you know where the 277th Mlavsky BAP is based? You should not judge unfamiliar people indiscriminately.
As for the "basic" modifications, can the Su-27S be considered a basic modification of the Su-35S?

[Ka-52]

As for "internet categories"

this is not to say something to you, but to point out a common misconception

you know where the 277th Mlavsky BAP is based

Your 277 is at least reanimated, but our 203 TBAP only remains in memory.

[bober1982]

Quote: Tucan

If you are talking about the Su-24M

Su-24 upgraded to Su-24M
Su-24M upgraded to Su-24M2
That is, the basic model of the Su-24 was consistently brought to the Su-24M2 (already in our time)

[Bongo]

Quote: bober1982

Su-24 upgraded to Su-24M
Su-24M upgraded to Su-24M2
That is, the basic model of the Su-24 was consistently brought to the Su-24M2 (already in our time)

Among the Su-24M2, it is necessary to distinguish between the machines modernized within the framework of the ROC "Gusar" and the ROC "Metronome".

[bober1982]

Perhaps what I don’t know, I don’t know.

[Bongo]

Quote: bober1982

Perhaps what I don’t know, I don’t know.

On occasion, chat on this topic with the "ancient". He took part in the practical implementation of both ROCs. I once did an article on the Su-24, it is mentioned there. You even commented on this publication.

[bober1982]

Quote: Bongo

You even commented on this publication.

I remember well.

Quote: Bongo

He took part in the practical implementation of both ROCs.

Everywhere I was in time.

[venik]

Quote: Ka-52

Not only the B-52, the Americans are still in service with the early 16s F-80A

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Yah? Just the same! They had one and only training squadron The Navy on the F - 16A, so that has already been re-equipped ...

[Bongo]

Quote: venik

Yah? Just the same! They had one and only training squadron of the Navy on the F - 16A, so that one has already been re-equipped ...

In 2019, the National Guard Air Force operated F-16A / B (F-16ADF) air defense interceptor fighters as part of the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) program, becoming functionally equivalent to the F-16C / D Block 20 models.
Several F-16A aircraft are still in operation at the Fallon airbase of the US Navy, designed to simulate enemy fighters in air combat. Aircraft with relatively little flying time were taken from the storage base at Davis-Montan, they underwent refurbishment at Tucson AFB, where weapons, suspension assemblies were also removed from the fighters, communications and navigation equipment were changed, and the fuselage and wings were reinforced.

[user1212]

Quote: tralflot1832

They don't write about their B 52s, it's completely different.

And the P-3? And B-1B, the newest of which was built in 88. А10 - 1972 year of creation, AC-130 - 1968, F15 - 1976 but all of them are countless

[Bongo]

R-3S are gradually leaving, they are being replaced by R-8A. In addition, the US Navy operates only the latest modifications of Orions, and only the airframe and the landing gear remain from the R-3A. In the course of major overhauls, B-1B went through a modernization program. The same can be said for the Tnanderbolts. You are disingenuous about the Hanships. I will not go into details regarding avionics and weapons, but the AC-130J, even in terms of the airframe, is very different from the aircraft built in 1968.

[Stas157]

Quote: tralflot1832

Why are ours still flyingmotor resource saved... We haven't flown for 25 years.

Have our resources taken care of all over the world? And what is typical, where the resource was not "saved" (abroad), Soviet technology was preserved even better!

[tralflot1832]

Are you talking about the Houthis and T 34? We are waiting for Abrashka to be cut like a hot water bottle.

[Maki maki]

What a strange news - The USA recognizes the high reliability of weapons from the USSR ... What's new?

[NDR-791]

What a strange news - The USA recognizes the high reliability of weapons from the USSR ... What's new?
Maybe they want to order? Therefore, so not intrusively hint

[Vladimir61]

These planes also bombed Afghanistan ...

Surprised Yankees? So the Russian "Kalash" was still in Vietnam, but this did not lose its lethality!

[syndicalist]

I don't understand the tone of the news. Is it admiration or a mockery?

[Strashila]

"The American press noted that this also says how advanced Soviet weapons were at one time." Most importantly, everything on these aircraft is domestic, no import.

[nsm1]

They are already upgrading by import.

[sgrabik]

In the military-industrial complex, no imports are now used and will no longer be used in the future, a small exception to the rule is the microprocessor component, but here, too, supplies from China are not in very large quantities.

[nsm1]

Have you seen the video of the disassembly of the black box of the downed Su-24?
On the contrary, there is only one non-imported microcircuit.
There is both an atmega and a converter from the maximum ...
In general, this is correct - the domestic component is used as an exception.
And very often on the contrary - our microprocessor, for excuses, everything else is import.

[sgrabik]

I mean the electronics that are used in the military-industrial complex now, and not what it was before !!!

[nsm1]

Do you have information about new developments?
Where, if not a secret?
Do not offer TV.
I admit that I don't have one, but I was interested in the domestic nomenclature ...
Frankly, not a lot.
There is progress, this is so ...
Not so long ago (I worked as a designer, but, although this work brings great moral satisfaction - it is not paid much, I returned to the oil industry) I offered to put a controller from Milander into the product, so I had heard enough ...
"You (here like alternatively gifted, you can't write a word on the site) tunnels" is one of the most decent expressions!

[keeper03]

Our microprocessor guarantees no bookmarks and failure to work at the wrong time! So this is no excuse.

[nsm1]

This is not the only point of failure.

[keeper03]

She is the main one - the brain of the system! If you have an enemy brain, then the body does not belong to you, something like that!

[Bongo]

Quote: sgrabik

In the military-industrial complex, no imports are now used and will no longer be used in the future, a small exception to the rule is the microprocessor component, but here, too, supplies from China are not in very large quantities.

Apparently you are not well informed ...

[abrakadabre]

The American press noted that this also says that how advanced were the Soviet weapons in my time.

From this turn! From the mouth of the enemy ...

[anclevalico]

Why did they link the mythology? There is really more fiction than reality. Especially about electronic warfare, which the Su-24 never had, but which he was able to "suppress" the foe.

[silverwolf88]

the author did not discover anything new for Soviet citizens ... yes, yes ... there was a Great Country ... which made various and mostly very reliable equipment with good modernization potential) ...
well, and the second side ... but technological breakthroughs ... well, that's how, by and large, based on other physical principles (engines ... weapons, etc.) and there are no yet ... and the T-34-85 somewhere they use it with a bang))

[sgrabik]

You are disingenuous here, because our hypersonic missile is almost ready for mass production, hypersonic nuclear warheads are already entering the Strategic Missile Forces on combat alert, and in the West hypersonic is still being developed, our combat lasers are already serving in the troops, but you say no no breakthroughs, well, in the next five to six years in the military-industrial complex we were promised the creation of a whole range of new weapons, just based on different physical principles, and there is no reason not to trust this.

[silverwolf88]

you probably don't read the comments carefully:
1. hypersound has already been tested earlier in the USSR and in the USA too (projects of hypersonic products of the X series) ... what we now call "Avangard" development has been going on since the 80s (slang name Ptichka) using a coating similar to that on the space shuttle "Buran" ... I saw these products myself in the research institute ... the work was simply hampered by the devastation of the 90s, and after all, not only these topics
2. What other principles ... wave gravitational plasma or something else that was not there before ???
that's what I was talking about
while we use something that is no longer new as a BUT technology at a new level of engineering performance ... that's what we're talking about ...

[Ros 56]

And if you look at history, you can see that the Germans gave the iron cross for the downed Po-2, but not for the fighter. Here's the conclusion, it's not about age, but about the quality of technology and the ability to use it effectively.

[mojohed2012]

Saving the resource of aircraft (gliders and their engines) in the 90s can be attributed to our not new aircraft, but forget about the fact that when we started to resume scheduled operation, we gasped. The planes standing idle in places began to be covered with corrosion, the avionics elements worked every other time. As a result, a lot of aircraft went through factory and current small repairs. It was popular to repair it from a donor - the same aircraft, but the decommissioned one could no longer fly. There was a lot. But over time, the resource was restored. I have a relative at an airfield in Siberia at that time served as a deputy engineer.

[sgrabik]

Now a similar picture can be observed in Ukraine, out of 3 planes they assemble one, which can still fly somehow !!!

[bober1982]

Quote: mojohed2012

a relative at an airfield in Siberia at that time served as a deputy engineer.

The position is kind of strange, for an airfield, it may have been a tanker.

[mojohed2012]

Well, he studied the operation and repair of armored vehicles, served for a long time, and then retrained for aviation maintenance and repair. I've been everywhere. But he is no longer alive today.

[bober1982]

No questions, I didn't want to offend.

[storm]

Su-24 are the same age as F-15, let them be puzzled by their "survivability"

[Viktor Sergeev]

Don't confuse the F15 of that time with the present.

[evgen1221]

Do not believe, insolent lie, because the commander-in-chief of the RF Armed Forces himself said that, -In the Union nothing but galoshes was produced. And for those who doubt, the corresponding articles of the AK and Criminal Code have been prudently introduced. (Sarcasm, otherwise the urapidiots will cling)

[prior]

There is an ancient anecdote about the quality of Soviet galoshes, this is when an installer fell from the very top of the Ostankino tower under construction, from the very "wet place", and the galoshes are as good as new.
Galoshes turned out to be very high quality.
That is why in the 21st century Russia is trying to restore the production of the TU-160 and MI-14 galoshes. And much of the new is just a modernization of Soviet weapons.
And I would like to hear the opinion of the Americans later, in New York, upon signing the Act of Surrender

[mojohed2012]

Sure sure. As our liberal friends and sworn partners from abroad say: in ancient times, your ancestors lived in the forest and prayed to the wheel. And in general, an uncivilized people, however ... (friends and partners) would look at themselves ...
In fact, galoshes were made in the days of the 90s, and now they continue to make them, but it turned out that galoshes do fly, and some galoshes are already on hypersound ... here.

[APASUS]

... Business Insider would have been even more surprised to know how these planes have been standing for years in open areas, rather than in warm hangars.

[bar]

Tu-95 "Bear" aircraft were created in case of a possible nuclear war between the USSR and NATO countries ... Russia actively exploits these aircraft even after the end of another war - the Cold

What to do, and the possibility of a nuclear war is still not averted, and the Cold War is not over yet. So let them fly.

[realmadmaxx]

and the B-52 in the USA kanesh is still a young airplane
climbed, looked, yeah
A10s in service
as for me the cutest plane in the Yankees

AC-130 in service
F15 in service
F16

[Lord of the Sith]

A10 named Warthog
Beautiful?

[sgapich]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

...Beautiful?

They say delicious.

[Lord of the Sith]

There is no dispute about tastes, but the meat of wild boars is tasteless, unless a well-known surgical operation is performed)))

[sgrabik]

They are somewhat similar, but our attack aircraft Su-25 Grach is much more beautiful !!!

[Lord of the Sith]

Rook, of course prettier))
I climbed on such an aircraft, although not a pilot))

[realmadmaxx]

everyone has their own beauty standards
who loves slender like a cypress)
and someone loves dumplings
and with planes)

[rocket757]

The American media discusses the "survivability" of aircraft developed by the USSR in terms of the duration of their use.

Whatever "survivability" was, but it will have to be changed. New / old tasks, new requirements for technology.

[cniza]

Good time!

Here the question of the filling also plays a role, upgrade the filling and solve problems ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
You can only upgrade to the limit that was originally laid.
Further modernization does not give a significant increase in parameters and becomes costly.
There is a limit to everything, and the requirements appear such that they can be realized only when the necessary is included in the design from the very beginning.
The technique served as best it could, as much as it could, it's time to change

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

You can only upgrade to the limit that was originally laid.

They are surprised at this, but there is always a limit and the fatigue of the structure too ...

[rocket757]

Let them be surprised ...
Our main resource is our people, warriors.
There is no limit to self-improvement!

[cniza]

It is really, it is even difficult for them to imagine this, they only care about their asses ...

[rocket757]

To listen to them, they say, they say, there is a lot and different ... and when you start to understand, everything rolls towards her and about her.

[cniza]

The Golden Calf overshadowed everything and everything for its sake ...

[Toucan]

Su-24 was still bombed in Afghanistan, and today they threaten the ships of the US Navy ":

And with the help of what ASP the Su-24 can fight modern destroyers and cruisers?

[ism_ek]

Su-24 - created to break through enemy air defenses - now it is a "conventional bomb carrier", although quite accurate.

[steelmaker]

Another article is like a nail on the cover of Putin's rule. He has been driving for 20 years, but there is no money for anything. She feeds everything with "breakfasts". Well at least there are enough brains to modernize what is. Although this is different from EBN. "Where is the money, Zin? ........"

[earlian]

For example here:

[Lord of the Sith]

The fact that the Yankees are actively using jets of the 50-70s, for some reason no one is soared about this))
This is different, you need to understand?

[cniza]

At the same time, the American observer for some reason does not say anything about the fact that the US Air Force uses strategic bombers that were created more than 60 years ago.

And to this they have one answer for all cases - "and this is completely different" ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Su24 is an excellent remedy for constipation of the American military.

[TermNachTer]

Why shouldn't they fly? Glider titanium, duralumin - nothing to rot. Change engines, avionics and they will fly for another 20 - 30 years, or even more.

[Klingon]

I don't understand why they are so surprised. And they themselves still have Fortresses, Vepri (A-10) on the wing and all sorts of Chinook Iroquois and Cobras during the Vietnamese campaign !?
and in some third world countries there are still phantoms, the second tigers and cats Tom fly. And in some places even Dakota

[lopvlad]

The American media discusses the "survivability" of aircraft developed by the USSR in terms of the duration of their use.

survivability and a solid safety margin have always been a feature of the products of the Soviet and now the Russian military-industrial complex. After all, Russian weapons are taken not so much because of their low price (Chinese is cheaper) but because of their reliability. The most creepy Bedouin in the desert knows that the AK assault rifle of the Soviet or Russian-made is a thing and a Chinese AK is the very thing that smells bad.