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Ask to move: China is ready to oust Russia from the world arms market

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Ask to move: China is ready to oust Russia from the world arms market

SIPRI knows everything



The turmoil among arms market analysts in December last year produced the traditional report of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute - SIPRI. In short, the manufacturers weapons all is well - in 2019, sales grew in dollar terms by 8,5% over a year earlier. The largest players were American Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and General Dynamics with total annual sales of $ 166 billion. Lockheed Martin, with $ 5,1 billion in revenue, is also the most profitable military-industrial company in the world.

In 2019, in general, the entire global arms market was worth about $ 361 billion. Of these, more than 45% were in the Big American Five.


Rocket complex LQ-008. Source: sonar2050.org

In addition to the impressive success of the US military industry, the Chinese achievements in this area are of concern - four from the Middle Kingdom entered the Top 25 largest corporations at once. The sixth place is the aircraft manufacturer AVIC, the eighth is CETC (electronics and software), the ninth is NORINCO and the honorable penultimate 24th is CSGC. The last two companies do not get hung up on something specific and offer customers a wide range of equipment - from multiple launch rocket systems to motorcycles and night vision devices.

In total, Chinese gunsmiths were able to take for themselves about 16% of all world military orders. Why about? Beijing has long and rather successfully classified the volume of military trade both within the country and export supplies. However, experts from SIPRI were able to indirectly calculate the share of China in the world order pie. For comparison, in the world arms turnover, China is only two percent behind the total European market.

The situation with the Chinese would not be so alarming if the Russian presence in the Top 25 in 2019 did not shrink by a third. United Aircraft Company dropped out of the list, losing $ 1,3 billion in sales. Almaz-Antey and United Shipbuilding Company remain on the list of the largest so far.

In total, Russia occupies a modest 3,9% of the world military-industrial financial flows. Commenting on the decline in turnover of Russian military shipbuilders, Aleksandra Kuimova, a SIPRI researcher, notes:

“Competition in the domestic market and reduction of government spending on modernization fleet were the two main challenges for the United Shipbuilding Corporation in 2019. "

The Russian side has its own point of view on the SIPRI rating. In particular, "Rostec" considers its own exclusion from the world Top-25 rating illegal.


Source: geosondagroup.com

China seems like a bottomless barrel - with 16% of the world's arms turnover. The country is in fifth place in terms of military exports, that is, its own army consumes the lion's share of military-industrial complex products. This is not surprising. With an annual military budget of $ 228 billion on average, Beijing is in a solid second place on this parameter.

It is still very far from the United States with a military-industrial complex budget of $ 610 billion. But the gap from Saudi Arabia ($ 69,4 billion) and Russia ($ 66,3 billion) is more than comfortable.

The Russian defense industry, despite a relatively modest budget, still holds the second place in the world ranking of arms exporters. But negative trends are not at all in favor of Russian weapons - annual sales are falling by 10-12%.

And China, on the contrary, is increasing its global technological presence.

The dragon is gaining strength


Historically, China has gravitated towards Russia technologically. In the 50s and 60s, the Soviet Union secured the country's entry into the world nuclear club, and since the early 90s, Beijing has become one of the main buyers of Russian weapons.

The Chinese are very peculiar buyers. On the one hand, they are ready to take a lot of equipment, and on the other, they do not shy away from engaging in blatant technological plagiarism. In such a dishonest game, Beijing has a very weighty argument - an almost bottomless market, which in all respects will still be saturated for a very long time.

By the way, this is very clearly illustrated by the civil sector. European auto makers have endured the outright stealing of ideas from Chinese companies for decades. They tolerate only because the market is constantly growing, it digests millions of cars. And "slam the door loudly" without tangible losses will not work. The place of the departed company will immediately be taken by another, less principled company, ready to share technologies.


Source: regnum.ru

In the situation with Russia, everything is exactly the same - since the 90s, the domestic military-industrial complex provided up to 85% of all military imports to the Celestial Empire. And all this time, China has been diligently redrawing for itself Russian technologies, which, we recall, were based and are still largely based on the Soviet legacy.

The cup of patience was overflowing in 2019, when the Rostec conglomerate accused China of many years of illegal copying of Russian technology. However, this remained in words and did not affect the military-technical cooperation of the two countries.

But we cannot talk about exceptional blind copying. Chinese scientists and engineers are creatively rethinking foreign experience. In terms of spending on research and development, the country occupies one of the leading positions in the world - fortunately, the world's second defense budget allows it.

Several dozen large high-tech parks and zones have been established in the country, among which the most significant are Zhongguancun in Beijing, Zhangjiang in Shanghai and an industrial cluster in Suzhou (Jiangsu province). In addition, the Academy of Sciences and the Academy of Engineering of China are actively helping with their brains.

The main players in the domestic and foreign markets for military-technical products are corporations controlled by the State Council of the PRC. In addition to the above, the most important ones include China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC).

The experience of organizing large military-industrial conglomerates was taken over by Russia. And we now have the UAC, UEC, USC, etc. Such a strategy, of course, allows the accumulation of significant resources for development, but in fact kills any competition in the military-industrial sphere. The main customer - the Ministry of Defense of Russia or China - is prohibited from choosing between options and announcing expensive tenders. Taking for example aviation sector, then the Chinese military had no alternative for the 5th generation fighter other than the Chengdu J-20, and in Russia the situation is similar with the Su-57.

But whatever the similarities between the Russian and Chinese military-industrial complex, on the side of Beijing, the main advantage is the huge defense budget. The Chinese can afford to adopt a considerable arsenal of equipment for only one five-year period.

So, in the years of the 12th five-year plan (2011–2015), the NAOK developed from scratch: the KJ-500 long-range radar detection and control aircraft, the Y-8J maritime patrol aircraft, the Y-8GX8 electronic reconnaissance aircraft, and cruise missiles CJ-10A, Dongfeng-16 (DF-16) short-range missiles; anti-ship ballistic missiles "Dongfeng" -21D (DF-21D) and missiles "Dongfeng" -26 (DF-26).

This dynamic makes it possible to gradually abandon technological dependence and reduce the gap with Russia. If they can do it themselves, then why waste money on imported goods?

The Nikkei Asian Review dubbed the Chinese military-industrial complex a real threat to the Russian defense industry in connection with such successes. An important milestone in this stories was the replacement of imported engines of the promising 5th generation fighter J-20В with Chinese counterparts. Now the Chinese industry produces more advanced drones and some types of military vessels than Russia. Moreover, domestic experts suspect China of the presence of very high-tech hypersonic weapons, which, at least, are not inferior to Russian ones.


Do not forget that civilian hi-tech is very well developed in China, capable of feeding the military sphere with fresh ideas and technologies. Russia, unfortunately, is deprived of this. All domestic breakthroughs are associated with a purely military sphere, or with dual-use products. For example, the PD-14 engine, developed for the civilian MS-21 airliner, will find its application in military transport aviation. In many ways, with an eye to this, he was developed. Otherwise, its market prospects are very vague. And the purely civilian technological sector of the economy is in stagnation.

From the latter: at the January press conference of foreign bosses of AvtoVAZ, they announced the actual merger of the Dacia and Lada brands. Togliatti will no longer have its own design bureau - all developments are imported from Romania and France. Shame and shame!

China, while multi-vector developing its own industry, will finally abandon Russian technologies in the next 10-15 years.

Considering that in Russia, starting from 2020, purchases of its own new weapons will seriously decrease, this will not be a weak blow for the military-industrial complex. Over the past 20 years, Beijing has purposefully created a powerful military-industrial complex, which will inevitably enter foreign markets with a wide range of products very similar to those in Russia. Latin America, Africa and the Middle East may refuse Moscow's proposals in favor of Beijing. In the portfolio of Russian orders, perhaps only India will remain as a long-standing rival of China.

In favor of the above version (from the Japanese edition of Nikkei Asian Review), there is also a serious bonus for the customer - now China is ready to invest in the economy of buyers in the event of the conclusion of military-industrial contracts.

Russia will no longer be able to withstand such a rule of the game.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 05: 20
    +17
    China took the place of the USSR in the world ... what can I say well done, unfortunately our country is slowly but surely losing its position in the world. Competitors using all methods of unfair struggle push our country to the margins. A vivid example of how this happens is the situation with our sport ... a white flag and endless sanctions are what our opponents have prepared for us.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 29 January 2021 05: 25
      -14%
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      China took the place of the USSR in the world

      Yes, the rarest case when the advantages of socialism are not at all pleasing. Because we already have devils that in terms of the state, unlike China, and even all sorts of crap through other trash ...
      1. Civil
        Civil 29 January 2021 07: 45
        +42
        1. The achievements of the USSR were rightfully passed on to the communists of the PRC. From communists to communists. From a country of the 3rd world that is really rotting from capitalism to a highly technological socialist power of the 21st century.
        2. There is no such thing as "illegal copying" in military development. There is reverse engineering and this is the norm in military affairs.
        3. Developing a real economy is not about driving raw materials to the West and squeezing out the remnants from Soviet enterprises.

        This could be the USSR, even the Russian Federation had a chance.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 29 January 2021 21: 44
          -4
          Everything is right in the article. It's sad, but no one in the world has canceled and will not cancel competition. Output? Be smarter and work better!
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 30 January 2021 08: 25
            +6
            But we have Putin!
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 30 January 2021 12: 12
              -10%
              Quote: Stas157
              But we have Putin!

              Funny. laughing У you persecution mania (look in a medical reference book for a definition of this) and Putin is always to blame for everything bad: "It will rain or hail - it is Putin who is to blame!" And in good ... Although no, In your because in Russia NOTHING good does not happen. I will not even give a long list of positive changes since 2000: it will still NOT come. request
              Be healthy and do not cough! smile
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 12: 15
                +4
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                I will not even give a long list of positive changes since 2000: it will still NOT come.

                And don't. These are 4 five-year plans, and that says it all.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 30 January 2021 14: 34
                +12
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Putin is always to blame for everything bad: "If it will rain or hail, it is Putin who is to blame!"

                And among the Zaputins, the president of the country is traditionally not responsible for anything.

                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                I will not even give a long list of positive changes since 2000

                And I would have looked! And then only failures are visible, especially in the economy.
              3. New Year day
                New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 01
                +7
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                You have a persecution mania (look for a definition of this in a medical reference book) and Putin is always to blame for everything bad: "If it will rain or hail, it is Putin who is to blame!" And in a good one ... Although no, in your opinion, in Russia, NOTHING good happens.

                For example ... please the eye laughing
                Economic growth at the level of statistical error laughing
        2. roll
          roll 30 January 2021 11: 48
          -1
          Do not be fooled, there was no chance, neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation.
      2. A_Lex
        A_Lex 30 January 2021 18: 26
        +4
        Yes, the rarest case when the advantages of socialism are not at all pleasing.


        Of course, please. Capitalism will inevitably be archived. And who exactly will do it does not matter at all. Chinese - let's applaud the Chinese. Zulus - we will applaud the Zulus. The main thing is that no trace of capitalism remains on the planet.
      3. Roman123567
        Roman123567 1 February 2021 12: 55
        +3
        the rarest case when the advantages of socialism are not at all pleasing.


        Why are they not happy?
        As a patriot of socialism, I am very happy for China !!
      4. vlad106
        vlad106 3 February 2021 22: 46
        +1
        everything is quite predictable. For several years now, experts have been sounding the alarm, even shouting about the need to restore the destroyed industry, and pseudo-patriots squeak and hang noodles that "everything is fine with us, that we almost overtook everyone" and "generally ahead of the whole planet ..." There are no places, no money, not everyone can afford to buy groceries and essentials. that's why they don't give birth ...
        Russian villages are emptying, soon there will be no one to guard the border, but no. the authorities do not see anything wrong with the fact that the people are dying out.
        well, of course, tens of millions of migrants will be brought in, here's a demographic breakthrough.
        but the fact that these migrants, like Armenians, will not defend our country, but only shout that "we will defeat everyone!" and hiding in the markets or behind women's backs is a very recent example in the Caucasus.
        Azerbaijanis have been warning Russians for a long time that “look, Armenians are sneaking into you with a quiet glanders and occupying the warmest places on the coast, as well as in Moscow, the Moscow region. They are busy with the media. On all TV screens, they shout with a hubbub and squabble. I personally heard them complain on the Internet the people that they, the indigenous people, these migrants survived from their homes. And tomorrow they can declare the creation of autonomy and subsequently raise the issue of secession from the state. Here is the question of the security of the state!
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 4 February 2021 03: 27
          0
          Quote: vlad106
          Azerbaijanis have been warning Russians for a long time that "look, Armenians are infiltrating you
          True, in Karabakh, this did not really help the "Armenians".
    2. apro
      apro 29 January 2021 05: 37
      +26
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Competitors using all methods of unfair struggle push our country to the margins.

      Yes ... yes ... these are all Zhidomassons ... Anglo-Saxons ... Ukrainians ... sprats ... and of course the Washington Regional Committee. And the Russians as innocent victims. It is impossible to imagine greater damage to the territory of the Russian Federation from the actions of the Russian government. These are Russians. effective proprietors bombed science and production. They were losing positions in the world arms market.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 05: 50
        -23%
        Yes yes yes ... sanctions against Russia at all levels smile, Navalny and the oligarchs from the inside are undermining Russia ... you are constantly rolling a barrel on the Russians ... all the enemies of our country are visible and noticeable, including on our forum. I wonder why you don't have such love for Russians personally, maybe you all the same latent Russophobe?
        1. apro
          apro 29 January 2021 06: 03
          +17
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Yes yes yes ... sanctions against Russia at all levels

          ???? What does not prevent Russian hucksters from exporting babos abroad. to buy yachts and Maybachs.
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Navalny and the oligarchs are undermining Russia from within ...

          ... not funny yourself?
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          you are constantly rolling a barrel on the Russians

          The entire leadership of the country is Russian. All oppositionists are Russian. The ideas in the country are Russian. All are Russian.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 06: 10
            -15%
            Bulk enemy of Russia ... I'm not at all funny when he drives children to his rallies. I am openly telling you the enemy and he should be in prison.
            1. apro
              apro 29 January 2021 06: 18
              +12
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              I tell you openly the enemy and he should be in prison.

              And his curators from law enforcement agencies too ??? or for what ...
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 29 January 2021 08: 08
              +22
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Bulk enemy of Russia.

              In, Navalny is already to blame for the fact that China has left Russia in the economy somewhere at the edge of the forest.
            3. paul3390
              paul3390 29 January 2021 10: 34
              +19
              Bulk enemy of Russia ...

              And who is our leadership, in full force? Friends perhaps Russia? Something not very similar .. With such type of friends - no enemies are needed.
            4. Stas157
              Stas157 30 January 2021 08: 47
              +5
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Bulk enemy of Russia

              So they defeated the enemy, it seems, he is in prison. Why isn't it normal? Maybe it's not Navalny?
          2. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 06: 15
            -22%
            You are lying apro as always about Russians .. Shoigu is a Tuvan and not a Russian ... I’m sure if you scratch the skin of every minister you can find amazing discoveries.
            APRO incitement to hatred towards Russians is prosecuted ... I have to remind you of this ... Don't bury yourself.
            1. apro
              apro 29 January 2021 06: 16
              +15
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              I am sure if you scratch the skin of every minister there you can find amazing discoveries.

              That again over the Russians are not Russians in charge ??? for what they fought?
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 06: 23
                -21%
                Maybe it's still better to take care of your nationality ... Why are you shitting on Russians with such stubbornness? Or do you have one goal on the forum to show which Russians are bad ... Bear in mind, I do not intend to tolerate this from you ... I speak frankly and openly.
                1. apro
                  apro 29 January 2021 06: 28
                  +15
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Maybe it's better to deal with your nationality ...

                  It smacks of Nazism. Lyokha. To us Soviet, this approach is not acceptable.
                  1. Lech from Android.
                    Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 06: 30
                    -22%
                    Nazi is you and incite hatred towards Russians on the forum deliberately, hiding behind the Soviet past ... I deeply doubt that you are generally Soviet. hi I hope they will shut you down for such tricks.
                    1. apro
                      apro 29 January 2021 06: 44
                      +15
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      You are a Nazi and incite hatred towards Russians on the forum deliberately, hiding behind the Soviet past ...

                      Hatred ??? that is, if the Russians themselves destroyed the machine-tool plant.aviazavod.automobile then this incites hatred towards the Russians ??? is how to understand ...
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      I hope they will shut you down for such tricks.

                      Do you wish me evil ??? eh Lyokha ... Lyokha ...
                      1. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 06: 51
                        -21%
                        Of course, while you are shitting on Russians, I can remind you of the nationality of the people who took an active part in the plunder of Russia, many of them settled with the loot in Russia in the countries you know. But as a Russian, I do not do this so as not to affect the national feelings of the members of the forum. You, as a provocateur, taking advantage of the tolerance of the Russians, throws mud at the Russian people in many of your comments ... How low you have fallen in my eyes, I will fight with people like you always and everywhere ... hi
                      2. apro
                        apro 29 January 2021 07: 54
                        +14
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        How low you have fallen in my eyes, I will fight with people like you always and everywhere.

                        It's a shame, but it can't be helped.
                        That is, today in the Russian Federation, the Russian government is a fact. And the Russian way of development. Notice not communist, namely Russian. Over the country, the Russian constitution. Flag. Coat of arms. And all this Russians have chosen in elections. Which all recognize. This is a conscious choice of the majority. And their will Russians delegated to the Russian government. giving it power and power to make those decisions that are beneficial to Russians. what is wrong ??? and if these actions lead to the results of a complete collapse in science. in economics. demography. then who is to blame ??? . Anglo-Saxons or Russians ???
                      3. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 08: 59
                        -18%
                        Of course, you have to blame people like you, having seized power, you start to shit on the country wherever possible, blaming all the blame on russkih.Iz for people like you and the USSR collapsed.
                      4. apro
                        apro 29 January 2021 09: 12
                        +15
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        Of course you have to blame people like you,

                        Red means to blame ??? and I thought .... what was wrong.
                      5. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 09: 24
                        -15%
                        You are as red as I am the Chinese emperor. smile
                      6. apro
                        apro 29 January 2021 09: 26
                        +10
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        You are as red as I am the Chinese emperor.

                        As a Russian emperor !!!! do not be lame ...
                      7. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 11: 28
                        -9
                        I don't care Russian or Chinese ... smile you are still not Soviet, and certainly not red.
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Of course, you have to blame people like you, having reached the power you start to shit on the country wherever possible, dumping all the blame on the Russians

                  If my memory serves me, then the real Russian Putin and his comrades have seized power. And what is the result? True, on Putin, the baked goods with the Polovtsy are to blame for everything, but Nicholas II, and the USSR did nothing but galoshes. Refute me
            2. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 29 January 2021 12: 18
              +6
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              How low you have fallen in my eyes, I will fight with people like you always and everywhere.

              To begin with, I suggest you start with yourself!
            3. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 12: 31
              -12%
              To begin with, I suggest you start with yourself!
              I have already started ... do not smear the Russian people with mud and you will be happy ... but I will not be silent if someone insults the Russians. hi
            4. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 29 January 2021 16: 42
              +7
              If a particular Russian person is a thief, a scoundrel and a lackey, then why can't you talk about it?
            5. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 30 January 2021 05: 35
              +1
              It is possible about a person, about all Russians it is impossible ... I, because of one Jew, a thief, do not accuse all Jews of stealing.
          3. dSK
            dSK 29 January 2021 16: 49
            +3
            Now the United States is the "Fourth Rome", but China, with its many years, the world's highest economic growth rate, will undoubtedly become the "Fifth Rome" ...
          4. vlad.baryatinsky
            vlad.baryatinsky 29 January 2021 22: 50
            +1
            [
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            I've already started

            You will not believe, I'm happy for you. Frankly speaking, judging by your comments, there is no sensible idea. One without address anger shows through.
          5. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 30 January 2021 05: 37
            -2
            Frankly speaking, judging by your comments, there is no sensible idea. One without address anger shows through.
            Judging by your comments, the same is visible ... also happy for you. smile
            One malice towards the Russians ... you will never force me to be silent because of this. hi
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 1 February 2021 13: 01
    0
    Lyokha's android went crazy ..))
  • Revolver
    Revolver 29 January 2021 09: 40
    +17
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    show which Russians are bad

    Do you know what Russians and Jews have in common? And those, and others have no worse enemies than themselves.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 29 January 2021 13: 27
      -3
      Quote: Nagan
      Do you know what Russians and Jews have in common? And those, and others have no worse enemies than themselves.
      That is, Arabs to Jews are not just friends, but brothers Semites? And the Indo-European brothers stretch out a hand of friendship because of a puddle, but Putin, if he doesn't bite it, then clinks his teeth?
      1. dSK
        dSK 29 January 2021 16: 45
        +2
        Quote: sniperino
        Arabs to Jews

        All the inhabitants of Arabia are Arabs, the forefather Abraham was from Babylon ...
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 29 January 2021 22: 51
          0
          Quote: dsk
          All the inhabitants of Arabia are Arabs, the forefather Abraham was from Babylon
          I don’t understand, this is like an objection? They have a common language group.
  • for
    for 30 January 2021 23: 19
    -2
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    incitement to hatred of Russians is prosecuted ...

    And international?
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 29 January 2021 06: 14
    +16
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    you are constantly rolling a barrel on the Russians ...
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  • sniperino
    sniperino 29 January 2021 13: 18
    -3
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    latent Russophobe
    The word "latent" is not entirely appropriate in relation to those who keep silent about the catastrophic situation of the 90s in order to throw more dirt on the current situation and make Russians another "great turning point". "You have not a closed, but an open fracture there" (C). They are open, it does not matter, in an acute or chronic form.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 29 January 2021 20: 52
      +4
      Quote: sniperino
      The word "latent" is not quite appropriate in relation to those who keep silent about the catastrophic situation of the 90s,

      And the word latent implies a still hidden but developing process. For Russophobes, it is not latency that is characteristic, but disguise as lovers of the tsar or folk "scrap" ...
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 29 January 2021 22: 36
        -2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        For Russophobes, it is not latency that is characteristic, but disguise as lovers of the tsar or folk "braces"
        Such Russophobia and without arguments ...
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 30 January 2021 09: 27
          +3
          Quote: sniperino
          Such Russophobia and without arguments ...

          how without arguments? even here at VO there are comrades who sing the mantra about the happy year 1913, about the enormous achievements of tsarist Russia and at the same time accuse the Bolsheviks of fascist methods against their people. They use truthful arguments, but they do not consider and hear only someone else's truth. But how did Perestroika begin? - with grunting history.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 30 January 2021 09: 39
            -3
            Quote: aybolyt678
            even here on VO there are comrades who sing the mantra about the happy year 1913
            Achievements that were subsequently destroyed for many years can be found. And on the whole for Russia this year looks brighter and more joyful than the subsequent long string of troubles, starting with WWI. But why should this be called Russophobia? Is it Russophilia to glorify the revolution with the Civil one, by de-peasants, decossackization?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 30 January 2021 11: 05
              +3
              Quote: sniperino
              And in general for Russia this year looks brighter and more joyful than the subsequent long string of troubles, starting with WWI. But why should this be called Russophobia? Is it Russophilia to glorify the revolution with the Civil one, by de-peasants, decossackization?

              Russia before the First World War was when 70% of the economy was foreign capital. As a result, domestic and foreign policy became dependent on this capital.
              it is because of this that Russia entered the WWI, because it was specially fed for slaughter.
              Therefore, there was nothing good in this situation, as in the period of the late USSR.
              Russophobia, I call the attribution of fascist features to the Bolsheviks, and Russophilia, admiration for the mythical religiosity of the Russian people in the tsarist period, the glorification of Orthodoxy, although to some extent it has imposed certain features on the self-consciousness of the people. When a person, hiding behind Orthodoxy, denigrates, defiles the Soviet period, he is a Russophobe. For the Soviet system is a continuation of the Orthodox. Orthodoxy has simply exhausted itself.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 30 January 2021 11: 19
                +1
                Quote: aybolyt678
                70% of the economy was foreign capital ... it is because of this that Russia entered the PMV
                That is, an attack on Serbia as a result of a provocation and allied commitments is a trifle that should have been ignored? Then we would be next without allies.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 30 January 2021 11: 25
                  -2
                  Quote: sniperino
                  allied commitments

                  allied commitments? before England? Why did Alexander 3 join all the alliances, but was in no hurry to open hostilities? And besides allied obligations, should the authorities have obligations to their country, or should the country only be in order to amuse its own honor? no, entering the war is the intrigue of big capitals
                2. sniperino
                  sniperino 30 January 2021 11: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  allied commitments? before England?
                  Before the Serbs. Remember how the country rejoiced not only at Yevkurov's Pristina throw, but even Primakov's "U-turn over the Atlantic". And then you had to score on the Serbs?
                3. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 30 January 2021 11: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Before the Serbs.

                  I have nothing against the Serbs, but I believe that a serious power could try something else besides the war, or fight very limitedly. Frankly speaking, I am not aware of the nuance that you are writing about. But in any case, less is lost in defense.
                4. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 12: 20
                  0
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Remember how the country rejoiced not only at Yevkurov's Pristina throw, but even Primakov's "U-turn over the Atlantic".

                  And that's all. There was not enough strength for more. Instead of taking control of Kosovo, we sat at the airfield.
                5. sniperino
                  sniperino 30 January 2021 12: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And that's all. I didn't have enough strength for more
                  RI had enough for more, but it was blown up from the inside six months before leaving the war among the winners with all the buns due to the winner.
                6. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 12: 33
                  -3
                  Quote: sniperino
                  RI had enough for more

                  And what for? Fall into East Prussia for Lyuli?
                7. sniperino
                  sniperino 30 January 2021 13: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Fall into East Prussia for Lyuli?
                  Are you getting punctuated out of reading mode? Are you definitely not a writer?
                8. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 14: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Are you getting punctuated out of reading mode?

                  Not thrown away.
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Are you definitely not a writer?

                  The reader, basically.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 30 January 2021 18: 13
              0
              Quote: sniperino
              RI had enough for more, but it was blown up from the inside six months before leaving the war

              that's right, foreign capitals and residents of Russia may have contradictions, which are especially pronounced during the war. It was on the conflict of these interests that the Revolution happened.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 12: 28
          -3
          Quote: sniperino
          Quote: aybolyt678
          allied commitments? before England?
          Before the Serbs.

          Is it in the late 90s? The Serbs asked for the S-300, they did not give it. They brought MiGs, the partners saw them, shook their fingers, and took them back.
        3. sniperino
          sniperino 30 January 2021 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Is it in the late 90s? The Serbs asked for the S-300, they did not give it.
          This was in the early 20s, then there was no S-75.
        4. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 14: 37
          -3
          Quote: sniperino
          This is the early 20s,

          Remind me what they asked from the RSFSR in the early 20s, otherwise I forgot.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 11
      +1
      Quote: sniperino
      Before the Serbs. Remember how the country rejoiced not only at Yevkurov's Pristina throw, but even Primakov's "U-turn over the Atlantic".

      and now the country rejoices in Syria, Ukraine, Karabakh? At home, you must first put things in order, and only then teach others to keep clean. Sand castles are our everything. Manilovshchina
  • sniperino
    sniperino 30 January 2021 11: 54
    +1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Russophobia, I call the attribution of fascist features to the Bolsheviks, and Russophilia, admiration for the mythical religiosity of the Russian people during the tsarist period
    The owner is a master, call it what you want, but there are also dictionary meanings, according to which Trotsky as a Russophile and Denikin as a Russophobe do not climb into any gate.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 03
    -1
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Yes yes yes ... sanctions against Russia at all levels

    specify from what year the sanctions? And then, I always trust Putin, and he said more than once that sanctions are only for our benefit request
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 1 February 2021 12: 59
    0
    Navalny and the oligarchs are undermining Russia from within.


    Navalny and Rottenberg prevent Putin from lifting the country from its knees ??
    This is something new in Dazdraputov's manuals ..))
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 29 January 2021 06: 54
    +14
    Opponents have prepared a white flag, but the Russian elite is not against the white one. They even invent versions of why it is necessary to perform.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 29 January 2021 07: 27
    +6
    Everything is correct. They act according to the saying, "The dog barks, the caravan is coming." Only the "caravan" is now Chinese. And their principle is "Less words, more action." Sadness, but true.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 29 January 2021 20: 48
    +3
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Competitors using all methods of unfair struggle push our country to the margins.

    Why do we play by the rules they break?
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 29 January 2021 05: 30
    +14
    Last year they distinguished themselves in space for many years, now a breakthrough is being planned in the military-industrial complex, I say this because I often hear that Russia has made another breakthrough.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 29 January 2021 06: 08
      -17%
      But if we take in essence, then all the weapons of the Chinese are a clone of something that they stole from others or from us or from the states or from the Jews.
      stop making these weapons, and then the Chinese will have no one to copy
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 29 January 2021 06: 22
        +14
        Quote: Dodikson
        but in essence, all the weapons of the Chinese are a clone of something that they stole from others

        Despite this, all the clones have technical documentation and are incommensurate with the Russian pace of production (release of finished products). And sanctions for this plagiarism neither the US nor its allies are imposing against China.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 29 January 2021 07: 50
          -6
          We also did not impose sanctions on China, would you say that they did not copy anything from us?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 03
          -3
          "Despite this, all clones have technical documentation and rates of production (output of finished products) incommensurate with Russian rates" - And as a continuation, the quality of these products suffers.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 29 January 2021 18: 06
            +21
            Quote: Vadim237
            incommensurate with the Russian rate of production (release of finished products) "- And as a continuation, the quality of these products suffers.

            I remember that in the old days on this very site, senior comrades demanded proof ..., but now it is not in honor.
            In the teapot already on the seg. day 17.000 drones. refute.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: Dodikson
        But if we take in essence, then all the weapons of the Chinese are a clone of something that they stole from others or from us or from the states or from the Jews.

        Did this weapon lose its purpose?
        Quote: Dodikson
        stop making these weapons, and then the Chinese will have no one to copy

        we can safely say - this will never happen
    2. Putnik119
      Putnik119 29 January 2021 06: 45
      -14%
      Of course they distinguished themselves. Not a single emergency start. Why chase quantity? If you run it - strictly on the case. Are you, as a hereditary Ukrainian, against?
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 29 January 2021 05: 33
    +4
    Here's what he said about this Andrey Frolov Researcher, Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, chief editor of the journal "Export of arms": “It makes no sense to analyze the specific numbers of specific companies, at least Russian ones, because there have been questions about the SIPRI methodology for quite a long time, both from the representatives of these companies, which either are included in the list or not, as well as from the expert community. This is the main complaint that reduces the overall value of this entire document. SIPRI uses some kind of monolithic models, which often do not correspond to what it really is. I think there is no point in taking this report seriously. "
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 05: 38
      +4
      It's not about the report of the Swedish comrades ... the pace of development of China has been exceeding the pace of development of Russia for many years and it is logical to expect China to reach the forefront of the world.
      1. Mykhalych
        Mykhalych 29 January 2021 05: 44
        +10
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        the rate of development of China has been exceeding the rate of development of Russia for many years

        The pace of development of China exceeds the pace of development of the United States, experts suggest that in the next 10-15 years, the PRC will also move the Americans in the arms market ... request
        1. apro
          apro 29 January 2021 05: 50
          +4
          Quote: Mykhalych
          For 10-15 years, the PRC will also move the Americans in the arms market.

          In order to keep the arms market in good shape, war is needed. And in this case, a great specialist. And the PRC will occupy only the niche that it will allow. They will not tolerate competitors in their field.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 05: 53
            +1
            Yeah, China will ask its competitors for permission.
            1. apro
              apro 29 January 2021 06: 21
              +2
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Yeah, China will ask its competitors for permission.

              We'll have to ... and methods will be found on them.
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 29 January 2021 07: 51
            0
            they will not tolerate competitors in their field.
            yeah, let's wait for a new round of the Indo-Chinese confrontation ... in the Indian, or on the border of neighboring countries, in the zone of interests of the PRC !? repeat
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 29 January 2021 06: 47
        +18
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        It's not about the report of the Swedish comrades ... the pace of development of China has been exceeding the pace of development of Russia for many years and it is logical to expect China to reach the forefront of the world.

        The pace of development of Russia has long been ahead of Turkey and even Iran. Comparing with China is simply ridiculous. Yesterday this topic was discussed on Vesti FM with Satanovsky (the only thing I listen to) and he said well about this. "And we all get up from our knees, but it is not clear in what position ..." That is, in fact, the whole tale about the successes of the Russian Federation under the current comprador leadership, and you will pile up everything and look for external enemies. With the drop in arms exports, the picture is also clear, how long it is possible to travel to the Soviet reserve!
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 29 January 2021 08: 55
          +10
          The pace of development of Russia has long been ahead of Turkey and even Iran. Comparing with China is ridiculous.

          Over 10 years, Russia's GDP has grown by 12%, China by 95%, the whole world by an average of 30%.
          We are gradually becoming an agrarian power. request
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 29 January 2021 16: 47
            +5
            But we are the best gas station. While the best, I think soon we will lose this achievement.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 15
              +2
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              But we are the best gas station.

              and the main word
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              So far the best

              soon it will pass too
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 11
            -8
            "We are gradually becoming an agrarian power." - In the coming years, the demand for food in the world will grow - why not further develop agricultural production?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 15
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              In the coming years, the demand for food in the world will grow - why not further develop agricultural production?

              how is Ukraine? laughing
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 07
          -6
          How long can you go to the Soviet reserve! If you look at the variety of export deliveries of our weapons there from the Soviet only platforms there are nothing more, everything is new in the Soviet for a long time, since everything is outdated physically and morally.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 29 January 2021 18: 22
            +14
            Quote: Vadim237
            How long can you go to the Soviet reserve! If you look at the variety of export deliveries of our weapons there from the Soviet only platforms there are nothing more, everything is new in the Soviet for a long time, since everything is outdated physically and morally.

            Quote: Vadim237
            How long can you go to the Soviet reserve! If you look at the variety of export deliveries of our weapons there from the Soviet only platforms there are nothing more, everything is new in the Soviet for a long time, since everything is outdated physically and morally.

            but how can you ask and answer yourself? , Claiming about Soviet platforms and stuffed with them on the shog. day with French avionics and Chinese chips? You probably have an iPhone made by Putin?
        3. sniperino
          sniperino 30 January 2021 12: 49
          -3
          Quote: lis-ik
          you will pour everything and look for external enemies
          Are you looking for Putin's palaces? I have them
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 30 January 2021 13: 08
            +1
            Quote: sniperino
            Are you looking for Putin's palaces? I have them

            I don't care about the palaces of these grabbers who are systematically destroying the country and, by the way, it took 11 days to admit journalists there, they even can't get away with it, and they can't do it well, and who is the owner? Why border guards and a no-fly zone? How much money did the designated "owner" pay for the housing and communal services for the time of unhurried repairs?
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 30 January 2021 13: 31
              -4
              Quote: lis-ik
              who is the owner? Why border guards and a no-fly zone? How much money did the designated "owner" pay for the housing and communal services for the time of unhurried repairs?
              Donations are needed. Write in a personal: name, card number, three-digit code (on the reverse side) and the amount in words that you want to donate. Donations in the evening - answers in the morning. Donates in the morning ... Well, you get the idea.
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 30 January 2021 17: 28
                +2
                Like humor? Because sarcasm does not pull.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 15: 02
              -1
              Quote: lis-ik
              and who is the owner?

              Rothenberg.
              Let the soul not hurt
              And he took the blame ...
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 30 January 2021 17: 31
                0
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: lis-ik
                and who is the owner?

                Rothenberg.
                Let the soul not hurt
                And he took the blame ...

                And these people rule the country !? What a disgrace. It would be better to just keep silent.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 17: 35
                  0
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  It would be better to just keep silent, like a trapped schoolboy.

                  No, you can't be silent here. The gang won't understand.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 January 2021 06: 18
    +14
    Russia will no longer be able to withstand such a rule of the game.

    I have a suspicion that both China and the United States are consistently shifting Russia to the role of a raw material appendage.
    China and the United States buy from Russia what is not in these countries (lack, lack of better quality). Russia carries absolutely everything from China, replacing once (and even now) high-quality domestic goods with dubious quality Chinese consumer goods. But even this consumer goods turns out to be beyond any competition ...
    Such is the epidemic.
    1. apro
      apro 29 January 2021 06: 32
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I have a suspicion that Russia is being consistently shifted to the role of a raw materials appendage

      And who is not a good one? The engine ... to build airplanes, missiles, computers and other miracles of high-tech products, against the will of the Russian Federation. It makes the companies pull flows. To build coal terminals.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 06: 38
        -19%
        You forgot to blame the Russians for this hi... that something doesn't look like you. smile
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 January 2021 16: 49
          +7
          In the Tatra Mountains, everyone offends the Communists, and in Lyokha, everyone offends the Russians.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 29 January 2021 07: 49
      +7
      that Russia is consistently shifted to the role of a raw material appendage by both China and the United States
      Duc, for as long as 30 years ..., a coal-gas-oil dispenser, which now they will be surprised ... everyone takes their place in a new brave world, with multipolar balances in politics ... developed and strong countries, "all the places are in accordance purchased tickets and marked for centuries ... "
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 21
        -5
        In Russia, in the structure of GDP, the oil and gas industry occupies 19% - the world's largest oil and gas petrol station is the United States, oil and gas production and fuel production there are the highest in the world.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 29 January 2021 08: 14
      +14
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I have a suspicion that both China and the United States are consistently shifting Russia to the role of a raw material appendage.

      And for me, that has already been moved long ago.
    4. frog
      frog 29 January 2021 09: 54
      +5
      I have a suspicion that Russia is being consistently shifted to the role of a raw materials appendage

      Are they just pushing back? Or did she, joyfully and voluntarily, throw herself into this state ??
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 18
      -5
      Russian goods are mostly exported because producers there will earn twice as much as in the domestic market, and it is more profitable for traders of consumer goods in the domestic market to buy Chinese goods, since the products are cheap and you can make fat on it.
    6. A_Lex
      A_Lex 30 January 2021 18: 33
      +1
      I have a suspicion that both China and the United States are consistently shifting Russia to the role of a raw material appendage.


      So this is a completely logical process. In a competitive world, the technological edge has the advantage. And the one who has gained technological superiority seeks to consolidate his monopoly in this area and does not need extra competitors.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 January 2021 07: 13
    +11
    China is educating the younger generation. Raises creators (not disdaining and a bamboo stick along the ridge for not diligence), and together with the "civilized" we rivet consumers with ram brains. Hence they have "civil hi-tech" and everything else. And we have sheep with gadgets at unauthorized rallies and "children" 25 years old with a beard and a pacifier.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 29 January 2021 07: 45
    +7
    From the latter: at the January press conference of foreign bosses of AvtoVAZ, they announced the actual merger of the Dacia and Lada brands. Togliatti will no longer have its own design bureau - all developments are imported from Romania and France
    It happened ... lol , now the Romanian and French developers will work remotely, globalization during a pandemic, in all its glory ... fellow
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 29 January 2021 07: 52
    +14
    From the latter: at the January press conference of foreign bosses of AvtoVAZ, they announced the actual merger of the Dacia and Lada brands. Togliatti will no longer have its own design bureau - all developments are imported from Romania and France. Shame and shame!
    We can also recall that the domestic pride of Kamaz has actually turned into an appendage to Mercedes, its technologies are no longer there
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 29 January 2021 08: 52
      +12
      slowly but surely we lose the remnants of Soviet developments and turn into Upper Volta with rockets and screwdriver assembly of everything else.
      This is the result of import substitution! In a few years we will no longer be able to design and launch a cart either
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 January 2021 16: 51
        +9
        Well, this is definitely Navalny's fault.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 35
        -6
        This is the result of import substitution! Since 2014, they have substituted 1600 products for their import, including in the military-industrial complex. "We are losing the remnants of Soviet developments" After 30 years, no one needs them, they are outdated physically and morally, they do not meet either today or tomorrow, respectively, they will not be in demand
        "In a few years, we will no longer be able to design and launch a cart either." Why is that?
        Here, high-power gas turbines are designed by guys who are 26 years old.
        and then suddenly in a few years they will not be able to - stop carrying garbage.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 29 January 2021 18: 40
          +17
          Quote: Vadim237
          Here, high-power gas turbines are designed by guys who are 26 years old.

          and then suddenly in a few years they will not be able to - stop carrying garbage.

          Here you are carrying that one !!! Explain what is new in this turbine and how much it can outstrip current progress, and also mention Putin's bottle factories of 20 people. workplaces are all done. and we neigh, over the local kolunada.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 30 January 2021 09: 54
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            Explain what is new in this turbine and how much it can outstrip the current progress, and also mention Putin's bottle factories of 20 people. workplaces are all done. and we laugh over the local kolunada.

            They will design a lot there at the age of 26. I myself am an engineer with 15 years of experience and I can say for sure that 2-3 years of experience is just about nothing. To design a turbine is not to draw boxes for equipment.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 31 January 2021 05: 55
      -1
      You can also remember that the domestic pride of "Kamaz"
      And it began something like this (in the dashing 70s):
      The USSR wanted to build a heavy-duty truck plant, which later became Kamaz. It was decided to involve the United States in this to improve relations through projects in the non-political sphere. The Soviet delegation visited the president of SATRA and showed him three projects, one of which was just the production of trucks.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 January 2021 07: 53
    -1
    A lesson to our authorities, it is necessary to sell weapons, not the technologies for their production. And in this matter there can be no friends, because it is friends who betray, not enemies.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 29 January 2021 08: 39
      -7
      1. Article on VO "MIC. Results of 2020": https://topwar.ru/178616-vpk-itogi-2020-goda.html

      2. "Moscow. January 8. INTERFAX.RU - The volume of deliveries of Russian military products abroad in 2020 amounted to about $ 13 billion," said on Friday the head of "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov.

      "As for the state defense order. To date, we have fully implemented the weapons samples included in the presidential list. As for the military-technical cooperation (IF), we are implementing the plan that was approved by the president, and the volume will be somewhere around 13 billion - the same as last year, "he said at a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin.

      Due to the coronavirus, Russia has postponed the supply of weapons to a number of foreign customers and suspended the admission of foreign military specialists to study, Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin said in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta in December last year.

      Earlier in March, Dmitry Shugaev, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russia, said in an interview with Interfax that the portfolio of Russia's export orders for weapons and military equipment is $ 55 billion, it is stable despite Western sanctions. "
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 January 2021 08: 06
    +8
    Moreover, for some positions, the Russian Federation has nothing to offer ...
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      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 29 January 2021 16: 55
        0
        Look in the mirror ...
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  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 January 2021 08: 23
    -10%
    And what does China export so? Airplanes, or tons of shooters?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 January 2021 09: 59
      +13
      Ships.


      Submarines with VNEU

      Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, various wheeled platforms with guns and MLRS. Geography from Venezuela to Bangladesh. From Nigeria to Algeria and Kyrgyzstan. Right now, Chinese equipment has gone into real battle - in a new global operation against BokoHaram.


      Well, to the heap, planes, helicopters, UAVs (including for such American partners as the UAE and the Saudis), satellites.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 39
        -12%
        But the quality of this military product of China raises big questions - they know how to do bullshit and sell it better than anyone else.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 January 2021 19: 32
          +8
          Well, they go without tugs. Well, if in essence, for example, BNS Abu Bakar and BNS Ali Haider in 1986 and 1985 were transferred to Bangladesh and are considered one of the most popular. They are part of the UN group. For example, providing a permanent presence in the Mediterranean Sea and the Horn of Africa. Now find Bangladesh on the map and where they hang out. And without tugs. wink



          That is, at least the Chinese have high road readiness. Their ships run all over the world, and if it breaks down somewhere in Australia, Peru or Keele, it will get into the media. But there is no such thing.

          Airplanes, again, they fall in general like others. The K8 was generally considered the best and best-selling on the market for all 10ths. They fly in all sorts of priests in Africa, Bolivia, Venezuela and other countries.


          Armored personnel carriers and wheeled tanks are fighting in all sorts of African priests and quite successfully in tightening without service. Of course the bangs and Boko burn them, but at the level of other machines.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 31 January 2021 06: 01
            0
            Bro, for some commentators, is still a vestige of the Soviet impression - about the production and technologies of the Celestial Empire, even at 21 he is still strong ...!? :) has not let go yet, for 30 years ... still lol Most likely, on the day of the landing of the PRC talkonauts on Mars, all "these screeching" will end, a "terrible" understanding will come, and cries about what we have lost in the 21st century and in the 90s!
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 24
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          But the quality of this military product of China raises big questions - they know how to do bullshit and sell it better than anyone else.

          do you think you are smarter than others? Once they buy, they know what they are doing. They don't buy pipifax, they buy weapons!
  • Boris55
    Boris55 29 January 2021 08: 24
    +8
    It all starts with school. Here is a photo of how the labor class in China is arranged:



    And we have that thread like that? But "cadres decide everything."
    1. apro
      apro 29 January 2021 08: 41
      +13
      Quote: Boris55
      And we have that thread like that?

      Of course, religious education classes and extracurricular education.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 29 January 2021 08: 50
        -9
        Quote: apro
        Of course, religious education classes and extracurricular education.

        "A holy place is never empty."
        If we are not engaged in shkolota, then "bulk" is engaged in them.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 January 2021 16: 57
          +8
          Education is falling apart, the economy is stalling, and Navalny is to blame. Is that a new training manual given to you?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 30 January 2021 21: 27
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          If we are not engaged in shkolota, then "bulk" is engaged in them.

          why didn’t they tell their Putin this for 20 years? And the movement "Walking Together" already under Putin began to educate adolescents, only trouble happened - the teachers fled over the hill, and the adolescents have grown up and now they ask, why is there such chaos in the country?
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 29 January 2021 10: 01
      +7
      Quote: Boris55
      It all starts with school. Here is a photo of how the labor class in China is arranged:



      And we have that thread like that? But "cadres decide everything."

      In Soviet times, my school had quite decent carpentry and locksmith shops, in the locksmith there were either 3 or 4 (I don't remember - what's going on with your head, citizens?) Lathes, several boring machines, and a milling machine. All but one of the lathes were quite compact, and the one behind which I liked most of all was a huge, pre-war production, DiP-300. So, in principle, if I had not entered the institute, I could well have stood at the machine and worked. Another thing is that my conscience did not allow me not to enter, nevertheless my parents and grandfather are engineers, and I did not see any other way for myself.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 29 January 2021 10: 12
        +8
        Quote: Nagan
        In Soviet times, my school had quite decent carpentry and locksmith workshops,

        As I remember now: in the locksmith - scoops, in the carpentry - pointers, and classmates, after their labor lesson, they treated us to delicious ...



        When hands are busy, there is no time to hold a meeting.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 29 January 2021 10: 31
          +5
          Thanks for the pictures. Very similar to what happened in my school. Joiner's and locksmith's workbenches one in one. But our machines were not across, but along the wall with windows.
          But our generation knew that it is not the gods who pour into pots. This understanding helped me a lot later in America, when we bought a very not new (built in 1929) house, and even badly neglected by the previous owner. I myself, with my own hands, room by room, plastered, painted, scrapped and varnished the floors, and even changed the windows. There was a case, I even changed the main bearing in the washing machine. None of this, essno, was not taught at school, but the ability not to be afraid to do things with your own hands is from there. But in American schools this is not taught, so my children did not receive it. sad
        2. faiver
          faiver 29 January 2021 14: 01
          +1
          The country was different
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 29 January 2021 10: 40
      +4
      Quote: Boris55
      And we have that thread like that?

      But how! True, on paper.
      my son finished third grade. What thread, buttons, what are you talking about? They told them to bring buttons and threads to the technology lesson. I thought, well, at least this will be taught. USU. He brought home a jacket made of cardboard and buttons are glued to it, and the threads were needed to decorate the pockets. I was shocked. All our technology fits in one folder: a sheet of cardboard, color. paper, scissors, glue, modeling board, plasticine. That's all.
      Source: https://www.stranamam.ru/post/10200994/
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 31 January 2021 06: 07
      -1
      And we have that thread like that?

      We have, I remembered my own nephew, now in the 9th grade he is studying in an ordinary secondary school in a Siberian town, so in the classroom - technology (ugh, I just can't get used to ... some disgusting angry ), studied for five years to embroider and sew fabrics, and this is for boys, and then we are surprised that we have rainbow-colored squeals in the streets at all sorts of rallies ..., a file and a plane are terrible and traumatic tools, therefore there is no wood processing metal, everything is banned, the hammer still does not know how to hold at the age of 15, he is really afraid of a knife and an ax ... the last time my pressure went off scale, when he was going to chop a rail ... and this is the 9th grade. ..
  • Maxim Z.
    Maxim Z. 29 January 2021 08: 38
    +10
    The guarantor accepted the country with atomic weapons and will leave with the plow
    1. apro
      apro 29 January 2021 08: 51
      +13
      Quote: Maxim Z.
      but leave with the plow

      With import and on credit ...
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 29 January 2021 10: 01
      -11%
      Do not worry, leave with atomic weapons at hypersonic speed and unlimited range.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 January 2021 17: 05
        +8
        Already left with Russian smartphones, TVs, refrigerators, microwave ovens. Look around you. What Russian do you see? Iron and that Chinese one.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 30 January 2021 08: 51
          -4
          Do not confuse horseradish with a finger, weapons and consumer goods, you need to be friends with the head, and not only eat it. fool
    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik 29 January 2021 17: 59
      +5
      Quote: Maxim Z.
      The guarantor accepted the country with atomic weapons and will leave with the plow

      This is the whole point of his reign, clearly acts, even his friends will pump everything dry and milk the people.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 43
      -8
      The guarantor took over a country with atomic weapons - with a broken-down nuclear industry at the beginning of 2000, he returned everything to work and left it with controlled hypersound.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 January 2021 09: 50
    +3
    semolina porridge with lumps.
    Ask to move: China is ready supplant Russia from the world arms market
    - squeeze, that's right.
    -all world weaponry market was worth about $ 361 billion.
    -With annual military budget with an average of $ 228 billion, Beijing takes a solid second place in this parameter.
    -Until USA with the defense industry budget $ 610 billion is still a long way off.
    Sorry, these are not different concepts? hi
    1. icant007
      icant007 30 January 2021 12: 56
      -2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Sorry, these are not different concepts?


      Yes, the article is confusion. Indicators are mixed in a bunch. Therefore, it is impossible to draw any conclusions on it. You have to figure it out yourself.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 29 January 2021 14: 43
    0
    China is ready to oust Russia from the world arms market

    Anything can be. But while I am on the arms market it is far from us. Although the protest, the so-called "opposition" negative , will not agree with me. yes
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 29 January 2021 15: 10
    -1
    Do not listen to these far from reality ... We sit, talk after labor ...
    I ask him: - "Roma" so you will attack us anyway, you billions and a half, but the earth is normal with a member of Gulkin and the granary of the planet is close by.
    He: Probably not, you have such missiles that we as a nation will not be in 14s ..
    We ate and he sat down with us to watch KVN ... and laughed together
    , so I will "play" better with a Chinese than with a pig-like xoxl traitor am
  • tolgenn
    tolgenn 29 January 2021 15: 25
    +4
    And how can civilian hi-tech develop if there is no production of a component base for it ?! As soon as you answer the question: why are there no good Russian TVs, smartphones, computers, the same vacuum cleaners, navigators, etc. and so on., household appliances, you will immediately see that there cannot be any due to the lack of our own Russian component base! Almost everything that is produced in Russia goes to the defense industry. And that's not enough. How many satellites, AWACS aircraft are worth due to a shortage, rather a lack of electronic components! Russia is just going (!!!) to build a production plant with 14 nm electronic bases, while in China they are already (!!!) producing them with 7 nm bases! And the question of personnel? And the question of ensuring the production of the purest silicon, its oxide, pure rare earth metals, without which the development of electronics is impossible? Until these issues are resolved, talking about "Russia's breakthrough in the arms market" is a waste of words! This is a much more difficult task than the construction of "Putin's palace", which, by the way, has been under construction for over 10 years!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 January 2021 18: 58
      -8
      As soon as you answer the question: why are there no good Russian TVs, smartphones, computers, the same vacuum cleaners, navigators, etc. and so on., household appliances. The answer is the simplest - there is no sales market for them of exactly those volumes that would ensure the profitability of these industries, especially since foreign brands produce all of the above at factories in Russia itself.
      "Until these issues are resolved, talking about" Russia's breakthrough in the arms market "is a waste of words!" And at the same time, Russia is the second largest exporter of weapons in the world - so it is not clear what kind of breakthrough you are talking about and, most importantly, where?
    2. TOR2
      TOR2 30 January 2021 00: 03
      +4
      In order to develop the industry that creates and and produces the element base, it is necessary that "long money" began to work in the country. For successful development we need 4 types of element base - space, military, industrial and household. Yes, yes, the same household one that we never had. Such elements do not need to work in conditions of increased radiation or critical temperatures, and therefore they are much cheaper.
      An important role is played by various kinds of demagoguery that are actively promoting in various media - such as the employment of markets and the impossibility of promotion. All this material is only suitable for lectures at the school of fallen economics. World practice is full of examples of companies that started working in the 80s or 90s in countries and markets where seasoned business sharks were spinning and achieved nothing and entered the top 10. As the classic said - there would be a desire for victory.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 1 February 2021 21: 34
        +2
        that's exactly the right train of thought for you! some of these companies started out in garages by the way. Will we give enthusiasts a path to life? Enthusiasts for good development need to create favorable credit conditions. But Mr. Sikhuanov and Mrs. Nafigulina do not think so. That is why there is no incentive.
    3. Strannik96
      Strannik96 5 February 2021 00: 23
      0
      Someone personally told you - how many satellites, etc. are worth? Question with personnel, etc.? Read less "speed-info" or YouTube and the like.
      And at this time in China !!!! Waste of words
  • NF68
    NF68 29 January 2021 18: 00
    +2
    It is not necessary to oust Russia, but it is quite possible for the Chinese to make it slow down, not only Russia. Everything goes to that.
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 30 January 2021 14: 43
    -2
    Of course, there are tendencies, and not to notice it means to be generally stupid.
    But recently, many countries have moved or tried to be super-duper successful and the main ones in this have grown and did not grow together. Why? This is because the competencies that are always discussed, and the scientific, technical and other basis should not be forgotten.
    In fact, China has gone a little further than India, the basis of needleworkers is not yet a solution to all problems, technological problems in China's industry are much deep.
    You can google it and see for yourself.
  • SHAH
    SHAH 30 January 2021 19: 59
    +1
    [i] [/ i] The USSR was killed, today China shows an example that socialism is a step forward for humanity, compared with capitalism. But China has its own ideas about the Chinese and their role on the planet, I am afraid that many nations, peoples and states will have to shrink in everything in ambitions, territories, and their freedom to largely replace China and the Chinese. Russia has no chances at all, especially ahead of them. really loom the collapse of the state.
  • Woland
    Woland 30 January 2021 20: 27
    +1
    Arms are bought to STRENGTHEN the country's defense capability, not to attract investment. Buying the worst weapons for a little less money - what's the point? To make sure that the miser pays twice?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 31 January 2021 10: 37
    +1
    And who was expecting something else? Laws work, people do too, they shoot again. So as not to invest in yourself. We envy and prepare for the worst, weary staff and generally catch up with FIG.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 1 February 2021 13: 40
    +1
    Another 20 years and the Russian Federation will buy Chinese weapons ...
  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 February 2021 21: 28
    0
    Oligators- Chubators plundered and destroyed everything that was possible. Lada ... what a Lada! and Aviaprom? Now, at least in the third positions, they could hold out, but what can I say, the civil aviation industry completely managed to get away with a failed sawing Super-duper jet. Now we trail behind Brazil, which churns out its embrayers
    1. Strannik96
      Strannik96 5 February 2021 00: 33
      0
      If everything were stolen, then what about the MS-21, helicopters, drying machines, ships, ships, agricultural machinery, cars. You have to work, but they stole - it was like that in the 90s, and now Russia is recovering and it's not even very bad. Indicator - all of Europe is under lockdown, but we have everything open. You need to work, not chew the negative
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 5 February 2021 14: 35
        0
        are you a vumnik yes? look also at Roskosmos and Rosnano. "they stole only in the 90s, you see" ... take off your rose-colored glasses. and lockdown will come back to haunt you wassat
  • spectr
    spectr 2 February 2021 12: 06
    0
    In principle, it is logical. Moreover, our Ministry of Defense has learned to make money at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, squeezing out about 50% of the cost of development work on fines. And then they "put cancer" on production and reduce the cost of the product.
    And the presence of concerns allows you to keep troubled industries afloat by shifting money from one pocket to another. Collapse is not observed, but it greatly interferes with development.
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 6 February 2021 05: 05
    +1
    The quality of Chinese technology is inferior to Russian! So, it won't be possible to squeeze Russia in the near future! Let first learn how to make aircraft engines, not to mention other technology!