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New Russian electric torpedo began to enter service with the Russian Navy

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New Russian electric torpedo began to enter service with the Russian Navy

The new Russian electric torpedo went into serial production, the Navy has already begun to receive new ammunition for equipping ships and submarines. Boris Obnosov, general director of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV), spoke about this in an interview with the Military Industrial Courier newspaper.


According to Obnosov, KTRV completed state tests of the first electric torpedo created in the post-Soviet era in 2020, at the same time serial production of new samples was organized. Currently, the torpedo is already entering service with the Russian Navy.

In 2020, we completed state tests of the first Russian electric torpedo ... Today, the first production samples of new electric torpedoes have already entered service with the Russian Navy.

- he said.

Obnosov noted that in Soviet times there were electric torpedoes, but in comparison with the new one, they had worse tactical and technical characteristics. However, he refused to divulge the name of the torpedo. Earlier, Obnosov explained such a refusal by the continuation of work on the torpedo.

The fact that KTRV received permission for serial production of a new promising torpedo was reported at the end of August 2020. Then it was not mentioned at all that the torpedo was electric; the KTRV only stated that its tests were completed in February 2020.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 27 January 2021 13: 14
    +11
    Dagdizel does not drive empty good
    1. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 27 January 2021 13: 17
      +7
      Never, they swear by mom. It is not clear why the name of the product is hidden only now ...
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 27 January 2021 13: 43
        +21
        Quote: Victor Tsenin
        Never, they swear by mom. It is not clear why the name of the product is hidden only now ...

        A mystery covered in darkness! laughing
        Here is material from other news sites.
        New torpedo "Physicist-2" adopted by the Russian fleet


        The Russian Navy has adopted a new torpedo Fizik-2. Reportedly, this torpedo is designed to arm the latest missile-carrying submarines of Project 955 Borey and multipurpose nuclear submarines of the new generation of Project 885 \ 855M Ash.

        The "Physicist" torpedo has a cruising range of 50 km at a speed of 30 knots and 40 kilometers at a speed of 50 knots. Torpedo "Physicist-2"reportedly has a top speed increased to 60 knots (about 110 km / h) due to the new 19 kW 800DT turbine engine. The "Physicist" torpedo has an active-passive homing system and a telecontrol system. The torpedo homing system when firing at surface targets provides detection of the wake of an enemy ship at a distance of 2,5 kilometers and guidance to the target by locating the wake. Apparently, a new generation wake tracking system is installed on the torpedo, which is hardly susceptible to hydroacoustic countermeasures. For firing at submarines, the homing system has active sonars capable of "capturing" an enemy submarine at a distance of up to 1200 meters. Probably, the newest torpedo "Physicist-2" has an even more advanced homing system. It also seems likely that the torpedo received a hose reel instead of a towed one. Reportedly, the overall combat capabilities of this torpedo are comparable to those of the latest modifications of the American Mk-48 torpedo.

        It seems to me that this particular torpedo was put on the "stream". It took too long to finish it. I would be very glad if something new began to be released. hi
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 27 January 2021 14: 02
          +5
          Quote: kapitan92
          It seems to me that this particular torpedo was put on the "stream". It took too long to finish it. I would be very glad if something new began to be released.

          Perhaps "finished" UET 1 "Ichthyosaur".
          From the characteristics of the new ammunition (in the export version - UET-1E), the range of 25 kilometers (for USET-80 - 18 km) and the speed of 50 knots (for USET-80 - 48 with a drop at the end of the trajectory to 42) were named. The key features of the torpedo are a powerful homing system with high noise immunity and a modern valve motor made according to a gearless scheme with a very high efficiency - 0,97–0,98 (for comparison: a similar structural scheme on the Italian Black Shark has an efficiency of 0,94 , 31). The engine provides one-to-one installation in place of the old collector DP-80U, which opens up the possibility of effective modernization not only of USET-2, but also of export UETT and TE31 with a significant increase in performance, including SSN. The fact is that the DP-600U was made with maximum parameters (suffice it to say that at the end of the distance it heats up to 700–XNUMX ° C) and has a very high level of interference, which makes it extremely difficult to use new equipment.

          They promise to make 2023 units by 73. There, however, the price of the product is sky-high. 1 torpedo about 100 million rubles.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 27 January 2021 14: 23
            -1
            The fact is that the DP-31U was made with maximum parameters (suffice it to say that at the end of the distance it heats up to 600–700 ° C) and has a very high level of interference, which makes it extremely difficult to use new equipment.
            Duc, the engine turned out to be hot, so it will soon be possible to find it on a steam trail in cold water No. , I wonder how they throw off such a thermal valve on the valve, and there are also pulse keys and other power electronics with controllers that do not like to work in such conditions ... while driving, after all, 600-700 degrees in a closed small volume is not a joke .. .. request
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 27 January 2021 14: 28
              +1
              DP 31U stood on old torpedoes. USET 80. It took a very long time to finish the engine for a new product. "One to one" by parameters. It is possible to upgrade old torpedoes.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 27 January 2021 14: 34
                +1
                DP 31U stood on old torpedoes. USET 80
                I wrote in the past tense about this motor, just! laughing but about the solution with its thermoregulation in the present already ..., honestly just wondering how they now cool it and its power electronics at full speed ... ???
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 27 January 2021 18: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Intruder
                  honestly just wondering how they now cool it and its power electronics at full speed ...

                  In high-temperature thermogenerators, this is solved by increasing the areas of the radiators, which are forced to blow air. They have approximately the same temperatures. So this engineering solution can also be used in an aquatic environment, where the fin area can be even smaller than in air.
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 28 January 2021 03: 41
                    -1
                    In high-temperature thermogenerators, this is solved by increasing the areas of the radiators, which are forced to blow air.
                    here is the engine and this all increases the total mass of the installation, but we still have a torpedo - not a ship, albeit an underwater one !? Plus, the hydrodynamic resistance increases if cooled surfaces with a certain area are also removed into the fluid flow ...
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 28 January 2021 10: 07
                      -3
                      Quote: Intruder
                      here is the engine and this all increases the total mass of the installation, but we still have a torpedo - not a ship, albeit an underwater one !?

                      The fins made of lightweight thermally conductive alloys will not make the engine much heavier - this is clearly visible on light motorcycles.
                      Quote: Intruder
                      Plus, the hydrodynamic resistance increases if cooled surfaces with a certain area are also removed into the fluid flow ...

                      This is really a problem, as well as a trace with this kind of cooling. So either you have to sacrifice something, or change everything in general during the new development - that's how I imagine it.
                  2. timokhin-aa
                    timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 22
                    -1
                    You are not worried about what to suck out of nonsense? On torpedoes, the issue of overheating is not solved SO.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 1 February 2021 13: 03
                      0
                      Quote: timokhin-aa
                      On torpedoes, the issue of overheating is not solved SO.

                      Tell us, do not hesitate. Just first decide what kind of overheating we are talking about, and in what temperature range.
            2. nsm1
              nsm1 27 January 2021 14: 33
              -2
              Quote: Intruder
              suffice it to say that at the end of the distance it heats up to 600-700 ° С
              It's a mess, at 600 ° C the insulation will char, any ...
              Probably the collector got hot, especially the disturbances mentioned.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 27 January 2021 15: 25
                -1
                It's a mess, at 600 ° C the insulation will char, any ...
                well, if you cool it with seawater and throw more steam overboard, but again, a trail is immediately formed ..., strange like that, about 600 Celsius at work ... recourse
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 27 January 2021 17: 19
                0
                Unless the insulation is not graphite fabric.
                1. nsm1
                  nsm1 27 January 2021 17: 21
                  -1
                  Graphite is a conductor, not an insulator.
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 27 January 2021 21: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: nsm1
                    Graphite is a conductor, not an insulator.

                    This is for all-conductor! And for "normal boys" and an insulator! wink
                  2. Intruder
                    Intruder 28 January 2021 03: 43
                    +1
                    Graphite is a conductor, not an insulator.
                    only a conductor for heat, as in modern mobile gadgets, they also use graphite tires to remove heat from areas with a high thermal characteristic, Apple loves to use such thermal circuits in its mobile computers!
                    1. nsm1
                      nsm1 28 January 2021 04: 44
                      -3
                      physical properties
                      Conducts electricity well.
                      It has a low hardness (1 on the Mohs scale).
                      Relatively soft.
                      After exposure to high temperatures, it becomes slightly harder and very brittle.
                      The density is 2,08-2,23 g / cm³.
                      Dark gray color, metallic luster.
                      Infusible, stable when heated in the absence of air.
                      Greasy (slippery) to the touch.
                      Natural graphite contains 10-12% of clays and iron oxides.
                      When rubbed, it exfoliates into separate scales (this property is used in pencils).
                      - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%82
                      1. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 January 2021 06: 36
                        +2
                        Traditionally, the best thermal conductors are metals. You can even derive the appropriate formulas to substantiate this pattern. But if you turn to the table of thermal conductivity of materials, you will notice a completely unexpected thing: the thermal conductivity of such a seemingly hopeless dielectric like diamond is (for some crystalline modifications) up to 1600 W / m ° K - a result that is four times higher than the achievements of copper and silver! The use of diamond as an intermediate layer between the radiator and the processor is out of the question, but another crystalline modification of carbon - graphite - is quite suitable for these purposes. Although the thermal conductivity of crystalline graphite is inferior to diamond, it is not so important (up to 800 W / m ° K). Moreover, this thermal conductivity is anisotropic. Graphite is a layered material. The carbon atoms inside each layer are linked by extremely strong chemical bonds, reminiscent of diamond, but the bonds between the layers are weak. Therefore, the thermal conductivity of crystalline graphite in the plane of the layers, in-plane, is enormous, but "perpendicularly" to the layers, through the thickness, is relatively small (4-6 W / m ° K). The film made of graphite perfectly spreads heat over its area. There is no local overheating - graphite, perhaps, does not receive and gives off heat very well, but it “smears it out” remarkably, that is, it serves as at least a perfect heat shield (heat goes away faster than it penetrates through). The industrial technology for producing highly efficient heat-conducting graphite films (Pyrolitic Graphite Sheet, PGS) has long been developed and used for flexible heat dissipation.
                        Like this one:
                      2. nsm1
                        nsm1 28 January 2021 06: 45
                        -3
                        What does this have to do with the fact that insulation with graphite is not possible?
                        Nobody denied that there are dielectrics with good thermal conductivity.
                      3. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 January 2021 07: 12
                        +2
                        and I'm not about the insulation of the electrical part, but about the heat sink so and so laughing read my comments carefully above! It is about the thermal regime of 600-700 degrees when the valve motor is operating and how to get rid of it in the torpedo, plus the destructive for the rest of the power pulse electronics, which is also located in the engine compartment, or where it can still be located there :) !?
                      4. nsm1
                        nsm1 28 January 2021 07: 16
                        -2
                        It is also not clear why to pervert with graphite when conventional liquid cooling is easily feasible.
                        No need for graphite when there is luminescent! laughing
                      5. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 January 2021 07: 22
                        0
                        No need for graphite when there is luminescent!
                        and thermal conductivity ??? then "canonical" copper is better, plus seawater ... somehow not for luminescent alloys No.
                      6. nsm1
                        nsm1 28 January 2021 07: 24
                        -2
                        Even aluminum hulls exist for high-speed vessels.
                      7. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 January 2021 12: 07
                        0
                        Even aluminum hulls exist for high-speed vessels.
                        Well, they do it, for fishing or sports ..., we're talking about weapons here, surprisingly more about torpedo weapons !? what
            3. Captain45
              Captain45 28 January 2021 11: 21
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              The film, made of graphite, perfectly spreads heat over its area. No local overheating - graphite, perhaps, does not receive and gives off heat very well, but it “smears” it remarkably, that is, it serves as at least a perfect heat shield (heat leaves faster than it penetrates through).

              After reading your comment, I remembered how in the early 2000s, in A. Karaulov's program "Moment of Truth", a story about a Moscow plant was shown, now I don’t remember the name exactly, which was produced tightly from graphite threads. The plot showed that this canvas is used to make thermal protection for BR warheads. At that time, the hype about Bulava began, and this plant, although it worked for the defense industry, was somehow grabbed by a group of snitch-snatchers and wanted to build in its place either a shopping center or some other crap ... They had already turned off the power supply to the plant and brought in their guards. With his story, Karaulov then raised a lot of noise and seemed to have returned the plant under state control, but I remember that they showed how this graphite sheet was used to lay the hulls of the rocket fairings for thermal protection in several layers.
            4. rudolff
              rudolff 1 February 2021 19: 07
              -1
              Was it not about "ordinary" carbon fiber there? This plant later and Solomonov recalled that it fell into the hands of private traders and there was nothing to wind the rocket corps from.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 27 January 2021 15: 25
    +1
    How interesting was it that the "Physicist-2" speed was only 2 times lower than that of the "Shkval"? Going underwater at 60 knots is against the laws of physics (for non-rocket torpedoes and no cavitation)
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 27 January 2021 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: Aleksandr1971
      Going underwater at 60 knots is against the laws of physics
      So nothing is said about the absence of cavitation, but what a "turbine engine" on a torpedo is, I personally do not understand. More precisely, it is not clear what kind of mover.
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 27 January 2021 15: 59
        +1
        You are not right.
        Since "Physicist-2" is a homing torpedo, this means that a homing device is located in the bow of the torpedo, and not a device for creating an air bubble. This means that Physicist-2 has no cavitation.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 27 January 2021 16: 17
          -2
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          You are not right.
          Since "Physicist-2" is a homing torpedo, this means that a homing device is located in the bow of the torpedo, and not a device for creating an air bubble.
          Perhaps he is not right, but the torpedo also has telecontrol, which means that part, or even the entire path to the target of the seeker will not be needed. And does cavitation require some kind of device "to create an air bubble"? Of course no.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 27 January 2021 16: 23
            +3
            And does cavitation require some kind of device "to create an air bubble"?
            so, it is needed to create a cavitation process, such as this:

            (Supercavitation is the movement of a solid object in a water environment with the formation of a "cocoon" around it, inside which there is only water vapor. Such a bubble significantly reduces the resistance of water. It is inflated and supported by a special cavitator containing a gas generator for pressurizing gases.)
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 27 January 2021 16: 29
              0
              Quote: Intruder
              so, it is needed to create the cavitation process

              You are confusing supercavitation with cavitation, for cavitation you don't need anything other than speed and water. And in the photo there is just a device for creating a cavity during supercavitation, as you rightly noted, but even for supercavitation some kind of device is not required, supercavitating hydrofoils are known, and for a long time supercavitating propellers, without any devices, simply due to the profile.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 27 January 2021 16: 34
                +2
                You are confusing supercavitation with cavitation, for cavitation you don't need anything other than speed and water.
                for sure, the mind went beyond the mind, sorry! :)) Thank you for correcting ... (I'm always for constructive criticism ...) wink
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 27 January 2021 16: 35
                -1
                It happens normally. For example, I'm on the side now, success! hi
              3. Intruder
                Intruder 27 January 2021 16: 36
                0
                Good ... and to you !!! hi
  • Intruder
    Intruder 27 January 2021 16: 01
    +2
    More precisely, it is not clear which mover
    slightly visible, the blades stick out in the nozzle ...:
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 27 January 2021 21: 08
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    More precisely, it is not clear which mover

    Well, now there is a global trend, however ... to put water-jet propellers ... winked
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 04
    0
    Physics-2 does not exist.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 1 February 2021 04: 48
      0
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Physics-2 does not exist.


      If not, then why talk about it?
      It is clear that people, especially non-specialists, love to scratch languages ​​on topics little known to them.
      But there is no smoke without fire. So, probably there is a project of the "Physicist-2" torpedo, close to implementation, or even a working prototype.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 January 2021 17: 17
    0
    Why the hell is this Ichthyosaur needed with a firing range of 25 kilometers - when there is a Physicist and a Physicist 2 with a firing range of 60 kilometers.
  • SOF
    SOF 28 January 2021 09: 08
    0
    ...... I don’t know ...... why such a fright for a valve engine to warm up to such temperatures belay ... unless, of course, ... there is not prescribed for the rotor to rub against the stator, on CD ... lol
    ...... and ...... my mother is a woman ....... is that what they use for rubber goods ... belay belay belay
  • Artyom Karagodin
    Artyom Karagodin 27 January 2021 14: 05
    +6
    When the news is fresh, it always does. One news agency was fortunate enough to find out more details than another. After a couple of days, "parity" is restored, and everyone is saying roughly the same thing.
    Quote: kapitan92
    It also seems likely that the torpedo received a hose reel instead of a towed one.

    And this is one of the most positive aspects of this. If this is true, then the new torpedo can really turn out to be no worse than the best world models. And when it goes into series (we can delay this for a long time, alas), and even if ALL submarines are equipped with normal counter-torpedoes (one of the few areas where we are ahead of the rest of the sea powers), then one hole in our naval defense will close. Our submarines will be able to conduct submarine combat with the most advanced enemy submarines.

    PS Still, it would be good to test it under the ice (as NATO members regularly do with their torpedoes), make the necessary adjustments so that it can work effectively under the edge, and that's it. With torpedoes will be a complete openwork!
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 28 January 2021 01: 26
      0
      A little behind. What is a hose reel?
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 28 January 2021 09: 06
        0
        This is a fiber optic cable for telecontrol of a torpedo. The length is usually equal to the maximum launch range. After the launch of the torpedo from the TA, it is unwound from the coil, which is either fixed to the torpedo, as we have so far (excluding the new torpedo under discussion, and then "highlighted" for now), or in the torpedo tube. In the latter case, the torpedo first pulls out a hose from the reel to a relatively short distance from the torpedo, which serves as protection for the unwound cable from mechanical damage. The latter method provides incomparably better torpedo maneuverability than with a towed coil (which was abandoned around the world decades ago), range, and so on. TTX. Something like this. If you got it wrong, let more knowledgeable colleagues correct it.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 28 January 2021 11: 07
          0
          Understood thanks.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 29 January 2021 09: 49
      -3
      Quote: Artyom Karagodin
      PS Still, it would be good to test it under the ice (as NATO members regularly do with their torpedoes), make the necessary adjustments so that it can work effectively under the edge, and that's it. With torpedoes will be a complete openwork!

      Sure, not a problem. Throw in money for trials or is your gut?
      It's funny to see how costly tests are thirsty for people who will not earn on one missile or torpedo in their entire life.
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 24
        -2
        It's funny to see how a gang of incompetent users drowns in order to keep the Navy incapable of fighting further.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 27 January 2021 14: 13
    +2
    new turbine engine 19DT
    the article talks about:
    the first post-Soviet electric torpedo in 2020
    , or they remotely replaced the propulsion system for the time of the pandemic and had time to test it !: winked
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 27 January 2021 14: 16
      +1
      I tried to give an overview of the torpedoes put into service. You are certainly right. My second post on your topic. hi
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 27 January 2021 14: 24
        0
        I supported your comments - an honest plus ... wink
    2. nsm1
      nsm1 27 January 2021 14: 27
      -2
      Ignored like normal people ...
    3. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 27 January 2021 16: 28
      +2
      Quote: Intruder
      new turbine engine 19DT
      the article talks about:
      the first post-Soviet electric torpedo in 2020
      (!!!)
      You are a plus, - "for observation" (!)... I did not understand either, in a friend's comment, - what does "Physicist" have to do with it ?!.. This is clearly not an electric torpedo. (!)... Then, -
      Quote: kapitan92
      I tried to give an overview of the torpedoes put into service. You are certainly right. My second post on your topic.
      .... everything began to recover into place (!)...
      Everything is fair. Honest remark (!), and an honest answer (!)recognizing that "your first comment" , author - kapitan92, threw it out hastily, but by (!), and the second - on the topic (!). hi wink
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 27 January 2021 16: 24
    +2
    Quote: kapitan92
    I would be very glad if something new began to be released.
    The physicist is a thermal torpedo, not an electrical one. Most likely TE-2m was bungled with some thread.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 26
      0
      No, this is UET-1, which ended a year ago. Why everyone started running with her now is an interesting question. The states were completed in February 2020.
  • wow
    wow 29 January 2021 09: 33
    0
    Generally speaking, it was not accepted in OUR time to chat about the commissioning. Let IT be a surprise for the "partners".
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 04
    0
    This is UET-1, and it actually went through the state in February 2020, the reason for the hype is still unclear.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 27 January 2021 13: 32
    0
    he refused to divulge the name of the torpedo
    "Death to the enemies"!
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 26
      -1
      UET-1 is, the result of the ROC "Ichthyosaur", Dagdizel torpedo
  • Machito
    Machito 27 January 2021 14: 19
    +4
    Quote: Civil
    Dagdizel does not drive empty good

    I would like to know Klimov's opinion on the new torpedo. Although he is considered by many to be a lobbyist for Dagdizel. Hopefully this is not the raw lithium ion torpedo I read about.
    1. bnm.99
      bnm.99 27 January 2021 14: 25
      -7
      Who might be interested in the opinion of the retired hydromayor Klimov?
      1. Maki maki
        Maki maki 27 January 2021 15: 18
        +27
        Quote: bnm.99
        Who might be interested in the opinion of the retired hydromayor Klimov?

        I think there are many. Thanks to his materials, we learned quite interesting things.
      2. Machito
        Machito 27 January 2021 17: 28
        0
        Quote: bnm.99
        Who might be interested in the opinion of the retired hydromayor Klimov?

        Who are you? Where are your articles? What an insult to call Klimov's cap-3 a major? You are against Klimov - nothing at all, in a dispute he drives you below the asphalt with facts.
      3. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 27
        0
        His opinion is just interesting to many, but what are you here?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 January 2021 16: 34
      +3
      Quote: Bearded
      Hopefully this is not the "raw" lithium-ion battery torpedo I read about.

      Most likely, they finished the heart. For only LIAB today can provide such energy for a long time. Ahead are graphene batteries, the capacity of which is 5 times higher than LIAB. It's about ED on permanent beryllium magnets ... Don't say so, but Romanians have a holiday!
      1. Machito
        Machito 27 January 2021 19: 00
        -1
        And if you haven't finished? Did you get the raw one?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 January 2021 00: 53
          +1
          Quote: Bearded
          And if you haven't finished? Did you get the raw one?

          This is unlikely ... There is TTZ, if it does not correspond, then the chairman of the state commission - "Turma is your house!" And now there are a lot of "interested" people ... So, most likely - they finished it! yes
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 02
            0
            We finished it, and maybe just now, which explains this strange hype.
            But - without hose specification, with axle boxes. coil at best.
            1. Machito
              Machito 31 January 2021 23: 02
              0
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              We finished it, and maybe just now, which explains this strange hype.
              But - without hose specification, with axle boxes. coil at best.

              And you can learn more about the new torpedo. Better write an article, we will read it with pleasure. hi
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 1 February 2021 16: 41
              0
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              Finished,

              Well, at least something ... And that was completely ... "I can't stand getting married!"
      2. Escobar
        Escobar 28 January 2021 17: 39
        0
        Which did not pass safety tests?
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 07
          0
          There is another battery, normal. This is UET-1, in principle a good torpedo, it should have been launched for a long time.
      3. nsm1
        nsm1 1 February 2021 18: 41
        -2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        permanent magnets beryllium ...
        What are the magnets?
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 28 January 2021 13: 07
      -4
      Quote: Bearded
      I would like to know Klimov's opinion on the new torpedo.

      Only a day has passed - apparently he is preparing a detailed report on this topic, his forehead is seriously frowning. Even Timokhin quieted down, otherwise such materials cannot do without his comments, but here he got water in his mouth. Apparently there will be devastating material - I'm looking forward to it, they can't merge so easily.
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 28
        0
        You are insane, warrant officer, this is a UET-1 torpedo, it really passed the state in February 2020, and now it was pulled out for the purpose of some kind of PR action by KTRV, it is not clear why it was organized.

        The torpedo is good, by the way, but it got to the Navy by a miracle.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 1 February 2021 13: 10
          0
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          You are insane, warrant officer, this is a UET-1 torpedo, it really passed the state in February 2020, and now it was pulled out for the purpose of some kind of PR action by KTRV, it is not clear why it was organized.

          Those. you do not know anything about it, you haven’t seen the materials of state tests, you didn’t bring the decision to adopt the great "theoretician" into service, but you and Klimov have already decided that this is bad, because this is PR.
          Not tired of whistling, "specialist"?
          And your statement looks absolutely absurd against the background of Klimov's claims:
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          The torpedo is good, by the way, but it got to the Navy by a miracle.

          The question arises, what then did Klimov sing to us here about lithium batteries, about bad torpedoes, if the fleet, according to you, already has them and are they good? And tell us more about the "miracle" - it is interesting to listen to the irrepressible fantasies of amateurs.
    4. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 01
      0
      This is not the same torpedo, but Klimov expressed his opinion about the Ichthyosaurus for a long time, this torpedo actually passed the state back in February 2020

      https://mina030.livejournal.com/16252.html
  • Alex777
    Alex777 27 January 2021 13: 18
    +2
    Well, will it be okay with torpedoes now on Borei? wink
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 27 January 2021 13: 25
      +2
      Well, will it be okay with torpedoes now on Borei?
      Not a fact ... In the country of winners of public procurement competitions, anything can happen. Then we find out what the sailors will say. There have already been such cases?
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 27 January 2021 13: 28
        +6
        Recently there was an article on the topic of hopeless torpedoes.
        Therefore, the question. hi
        .
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 27 January 2021 13: 50
          +4
          Quote: Alex777
          the article was on the topic hopeless torpedoes.

          I'll try to guess: the author is Klimov, the master of naval noir? laughing
          1. bnm.99
            bnm.99 27 January 2021 14: 27
            -7
            Alas, no other clowns have been prepared for you smile .
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 29
              0
              Well, are you not prepared?
          2. Pamir
            Pamir 27 January 2021 21: 32
            +6
            No, hardly, not Klimov's style. And second, in the news heading, Kap3 Klimov does not write. Yes, and too superficially, not he. Actually, so about the subject, but pointlessly, respecting the reader, Klimov does not write about the subject. Many articles on Klimov, complain to the brim in volume, cannot finish reading, or are not able, and even in terms of subject detailing, study and learn, as V. Lenin bequeathed, he does not scribble news teletypes in five minutes (breaks).
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 28 January 2021 07: 24
            +1
            Quote: Paranoid50
            I'll try to guess

            what Hydronaval?
      2. Berber
        Berber 27 January 2021 13: 36
        +9
        There are no alternatives to Dagdizel for torpedoes. Therefore, about the "winners of competitions" is not a topic.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 27 January 2021 13: 42
          -1
          Therefore, about the "winners in competitions" is not the topic.
          More like "the topic". You can't even sneeze without a competition. A real competitor or a bogus - the piano does not play.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 January 2021 17: 24
      0
      On Borei, it seems like the NK Package costs 324 mm 6 devices and 8 more devices for 533 mm torpedoes.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 27 January 2021 13: 21
    +5
    If so, one can only be glad for the fleet. At last!!!
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 27 January 2021 13: 22
    -6
    Obnosov noted that in Soviet times there were electric torpedoes, but in comparison with the new one, they had worse tactical and technical characteristics.


    I understand correctly - Obnosov considers it an achievement that the torpedo, put into service 30 years after the destruction of the USSR, has better performance characteristics than Soviet counterparts? And what, how could it be otherwise?

    However, he refused to divulge the name of the torpedo. Earlier, Obnosov explained such a refusal by the continuation of work on the torpedo.


    An extremely strange rationale. The name of the torpedo is unknown. TTX unknown. Maybe there is no torpedo?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 27 January 2021 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: A_Lex
      The name of the torpedo is unknown. TTX unknown. Maybe there is no torpedo?

      They just think about what to call it. A competition will be announced, and then ... laughing
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 27 January 2021 14: 16
        0
        They just think about what to call it

        - crow's feet or cancerous necks.
        walrus hawk
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 27 January 2021 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        They just think about what to call it. A competition will be announced, and then ...

        Yes, stop making people laugh - both the code and the open name of the work for the industry are indicated even at the stage of development of the TTZ, because the name of R&D is immediately determined. At least it has always been that way.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 49
          -1
          Yeah, only a cheap warrant officer doesn't know that this is UET-1.
          And yet, ensign - there is no R&D code (name) in nature. And "always" it was not there either.
          There is an NIR code.
          There is an OCD code.
          Specifically, this torpedo has the code ROC "Ichthyosaur".
          You need to eat
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 1 February 2021 13: 35
            0
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            And yet, ensign - there is no R&D code (name) in nature. And "always" it was not there either.
            There is an NIR code.
            There is an OCD code.

            Relax, smart guy - the open name of R&D usually turns into the name of R&D with the same name, and this can continue for many years, including modernization.
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Specifically, this torpedo has the code ROC "Ichthyosaur".

            You're lying, because this is a name for the industry, but the full name is indicated in the official documents and the product code will be completely different. For example, any commando will confirm that the Strizh and the R-394K are one and the same product. But the development took place under the open name "Strizh", and the code R-394K was assigned to the Ministry of Defense - teach materiel, smart guy, although you hardly know what the B and VT classifier is.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 27
              -1
              [quote] Relax, smart guy - the open name of R&D usually turns into the name of R&D with the same name, [/ quote]

              No, it's cheap, it's MOSTLY wrong.
              From svezhak - research and development "Husky" - OCD "Laika", the theme is the same - "the submarine of the future", very poor, I must say.

              [quote] You're lying, because this is the name for the industry [/ quote

              This is open data that can be published and used in open resources, madman. There is no lie in this.
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    2. Intruder
      Intruder 27 January 2021 14: 16
      -4
      The name of the torpedo is unknown. TTX unknown. Maybe there is no torpedo?
      Exactly! wink if only a cartoon would be made with a blurry spot, for the Russian segment of Youtube !? laughing There was a lot of time, a pandemic and self-isolation, could they find a designer on freelance and cut it at least like with "Poseidon" or what ...?
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 27 January 2021 15: 21
        -2
        at least a cartoon would be made with a blurry spot


        The cartoon does not guarantee anything. There is, for example, the ship Ivan Gren. Information about him is publicly available. Known project code 11711, the name - "Ivan Gren", TTX. And the cartoon is useless, because the ship is in iron. At the same time, after entering the fleet in 2.5 years, the ship has never entered combat service - at least there is no official information about this. Those. information in this case about the ship is much more than about the same torpedo. But despite all this information, the ship as a combat unit is actually absent, simply because it does not serve. Actually, what is interesting is not what is formally listed, but only what actually functions, and in full accordance with the established technical parameters.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 27 January 2021 16: 16
          -1
          Actually, what is interesting is not what is formally listed, but only what actually functions, and in full accordance with the established technical parameters.
          How did you bent, in full compliance !? lol , but now there are no cartoons even bully and the people need bread and circuses ...!?
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 27 January 2021 16: 20
            -3
            How did you bent, in full compliance !? lol, but now there are no cartoons, even bully, but people need - bread and circuses...?


            Exactly. Bread, you know, would also like to be normal, according to GOST, i.e. in full compliance, and not from fodder grain, as is now customary. But for this it is necessary that the authorities also be in full compliance with a certain conditional guest.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 27 January 2021 16: 31
              -2
              Bread, you know, would also like to be normal, according to GOST, i.e. in full compliance and not from feed grain, as is now accepted
              I agree with food and medicine, fuel and other socially significant things in everyday life, personally for strict standards and GOSTs, +1!
              But for this it is necessary that the authorities also be in full compliance with a certain conditional guest.
              and here, universal injustice in all its glory recourse and the lust for power in state structures spoils everything repeat , they themselves turn out to be hostages of the opportunities that we endow them with, after a legal referendum, and even more so if we do not change for years ... all the same representatives and structures are not reformed ...
              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 27 January 2021 16: 45
                0
                they themselves turn out to be hostages of the opportunities that we give them


                I would not say that the people endows someone with any powers. Really endows only the one who has a real opportunity to cancel his earlier decision. If the results of the referendum cannot be canceled after a certain time, and the referendum itself is virtually impossible to initiate from below, then this is essentially not a referendum as an instrument of implementing the "will of the people", but a nationwide vote sanctioned from above, which is necessary to obtain formal "popular approval" for the implementation of legislative initiatives. Those. This is a typical moment about which the classics spoke - it is true in form, in fact - a mockery.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 27 January 2021 16: 48
                  -1
                  Those. This is a typical moment about which the classics spoke - it is true in form, in fact - a mockery.
                  but the people support their nation-wide ..., formally approving it !, in fact, a mockery of the mass of voters with the right to vote, enshrined in the Constitution !?
                  If the results of a referendum cannot be canceled after a certain time, and the referendum itself is virtually impossible to initiate from below, then this is essentially not a referendum.
                  in modern times, especially so ... recourse
                  1. A_Lex
                    A_Lex 27 January 2021 16: 59
                    0
                    but the people support their nation-wide ..., formally approving it!


                    Compliance with formalities, like any rules, is necessary not for the sake of compliance with formalities, but solely for the sake of minimizing potential errors. Thus, if something is true in form, this does not automatically mean that it is true in essence.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 27 January 2021 17: 00
                      -2
                      In a similar way, if something is true in form, it does not automatically mean that it is true in essence.
                      love the classics, though !? hi
                      1. A_Lex
                        A_Lex 27 January 2021 17: 06
                        0
                        love the classics, though !?


                        Appreciate what works. Those. if someone said that "the logic of circumstances is stronger than the logic of intentions" and this maxim is being tested by real life, then it works and it means that it can and should be used regardless of who is the author of the statement. Those. roughly speaking, it is not Einstein himself that is interesting, but his formula, not Fleming, but penicillin, not Mendeleev, but the periodic table, etc.
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 1 February 2021 12: 50
                        -1
                        Those. roughly speaking, it is not Einstein himself that is interesting, but his formula, not Fleming, but penicillin, not Mendeleev, but the periodic table, etc.
                        Bravo, but behind the photoeffect, the penicillin group and chemical elements, there are always people, the time spent in their lives and other little-known workdays and problems for the average layman !? wink And this very often does not make it possible to understand the contribution and personal characteristics of the author of discoveries or a scientist ... unfortunately, we consume goods / services based on certain technologies and do not think about those who discovered or created it ...!
                      3. A_Lex
                        A_Lex 1 February 2021 21: 31
                        0
                        we consume goods / services based on certain technologies and do not think about those who discovered it, or created it ...!


                        Why think about the personal? Einstein's formula is valuable because there is nothing of Einstein's personality in it. That is why it is universal. And we remember the authors precisely because the time spent by them brought results that are valuable to all of us.
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 29 January 2021 09: 55
          -1
          Quote: A_Lex
          those. in full accordance, and not from feed grain, as is now accepted

          So it is supposed to feed cattle with fodder grain, and varietal grain is sold abroad for people.
          So everything is "in full accordance".
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 08
    0
    Yes, there has long been a photo of loading on "Warsaw".
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 31
    0
    This UET-1 state passed in February 2020, Obnosov is promoting out of the blue for some strange reason, the torpedo has long been in service.
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  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 27 January 2021 13: 25
    +1
    Very interesting news, positive. We are waiting for information, did we understand correctly the news that UET-1 began to be mass produced and replaced the ancient USET. I think Klimov will write an article in co-authorship, from which we will learn the details.

    And is there a telecontrol in the serial product? Hopefully
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 January 2021 16: 45
      +4
      Quote: Orkraider
      And is there a telecontrol in the serial product? Hopefully

      And the hose reel is there for blistering or what? Another thing is more important: how many kilometers of cable? Before that it was 25 + 5 - go for a walk! It would be nice to have 35-40 km. And the second is the GOS and its response radius. The Yankees have 2500 ... How do ours look now? Well, it’s impossible less than 2000m ...
      And then, 100 lemons can only cost a product with an onboard computer, or even with AI elements, like the Tablet earlier ... Many questions, but few answers. Alas.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 27 January 2021 18: 34
        0
        Greetings!
        hi
        Alas))
        I wrote about the telecontrol, since the previous batch, the installation one, was without coils. Remember the load in Sevastopol, at 636.6? There, photos of torpedoes were clearly visible and they were not.
      2. nsm1
        nsm1 1 February 2021 18: 53
        -2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        And then, 100 lemons can only cost a product with an onboard computer.
        Computers themselves are not expensive ...
      3. mine
        mine 2 February 2021 18: 33
        -1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        And the hose reel is there for blistering or what? Another thing is more important: how many kilometers of cable?

        not at all
        TU no
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Yankee has 2500

        more
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        .And how ours now look?

        and we have more
        lot
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Well, it’s impossible less than 2000m ...

        and maybe 200 - like hydrology - see the article on PLO, there with specific data
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        And then, 100 lemons can only cost a product with an onboard computer, or even with AI elements, like the Tablet earlier ..

        just "board" is not very much
        battery is expensive
        the same ARVD bar - about 1,5 million (!!!)
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 32
      0
      This is UET-1, and really the state was back in February 2020. There is a TU, but antediluvian, with a towed coil.
  • vvvjak
    vvvjak 27 January 2021 13: 27
    +4
    Is this not the torpedo that Klimov criticized to smithereens (in one of the articles on VO)?
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 33
      0
      No, on the contrary, Klimov drowned this torpedo for five years, even when they tried to strangle it in order to push through a couple of sawmill projects instead.
      This is Uet-1, in fact, its state passed back in February 2020, the carry-overs are simply promoting something.
      So it was put into service for a long time.
    2. mine
      mine 2 February 2021 18: 34
      -1
      Quote: vvvjak
      Is this not the torpedo that Klimov criticized to smithereens (in one of the articles on VO)?

      no
      this is "Ichthyosaurus"
      and I also criticized him (including for the lack of technical specifications)
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 27 January 2021 13: 28
    +8
    It is good that they did not trumpet about the new torpedo in all the media and did not report. Everything went quietly, calmly, modernized, improved and adopted, as it should be.
    1. mine
      mine 2 February 2021 18: 34
      -1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      It is good that they did not trumpet about the new torpedo in all media and did not report. Everything went quietly, calmly, modernized,

      nifiga se ...
      there squeals about her stood on the "media floor"
  • Ilya098
    Ilya098 27 January 2021 13: 30
    +8
    The news that was expected, after all, a submarine without modern torpedoes is quite vulnerable. I'm glad for the Navy. good
  • ccsr
    ccsr 27 January 2021 13: 33
    +17
    Where Timokhin and Klimov are - we are waiting for revelations strictly from a scientific point of view. The question to them is to fill in - are lithium batteries used or not in new torpedoes?
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 27 January 2021 14: 17
      +1
      through the 380 V cable ............................................. .......................................
      or EMR radiation?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 27 January 2021 18: 51
        +1
        Quote: antivirus
        through a 380 V cable.

        So this is a limitation in range in the first place, and it is difficult to imagine launching one torpedo after another, for fear of winding the cable around the screws.
        Quote: Intruder
        ampoule in seawater, as an electrolyte ...!?

        This is all yesterday - they have less energy than lithium ones.
        Quote: Andrey 40
        Serial in the understanding of our power, is it 7 pieces or 10 pieces?

        It doesn't matter - here the issue is not in quantity, but in technological equipment and waste production, and if it already exists, then 100 and 1000 will be released quite quickly, depending on the order.
        1. mine
          mine 2 February 2021 18: 35
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: antivirus
          through a 380 V cable.

          So this is a limitation in range in the first place, and it is difficult to imagine launching one torpedo after another, for fear of winding the cable around the screws.

          wassat
          TO THE DOCTOR lol
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 27 January 2021 14: 17
      -1
      The question to them is to fill in - are lithium batteries used or not in new torpedoes?
      ampoule in seawater, as an electrolyte ...!? bully
    3. nobody75
      nobody75 28 January 2021 19: 30
      0
      Lithium batteries are different ... And they do not always explode, like Timokhin's laptops ... And the main advantage of an electric torpedo is the depth of combat work ... For whom does the bell ring? Really on American unmanned underwater gliders?
      Sincerely
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 28 January 2021 22: 08
        -2
        Quote: nobody75
        Lithium batteries are different ... And they don't always explode, like Timokhin's laptops ...

        I would like to believe it, but here's what kind of trouble it can be with long-term storage:
        An internal short circuit is one of the main causes of spontaneous combustion in a battery. The cause of the very short circuit can be physical damage or factory defects, such as uneven cutting of electrodes or the ingress of metal particles between the cathode and anode, which violate the integrity of the separator layer.
        Another reason for the closure is the growth of lithium metal chains through the separator (if the lithium ions at the factory did not have time to fully integrate into the anode crystal due to excessively fast charging or from overcooling, or if the capacity of the cathode active material is larger than the capacity of the anode, which leads to deposits on the anode, which then slowly but inexorably grow).

        Maybe now we have already learned how to deal with it - tell us.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 29 January 2021 22: 18
          0
          Another reason for the closure is the growth of lithium metal chains through the separator (if the lithium ions at the factory did not have time to fully integrate into the anode crystal due to excessively fast charging or from overcooling, or if the capacity of the cathode active material is larger than the capacity of the anode, which leads to deposits on the anode, which then slowly but inexorably grow).

          Ours were seriously interested in this very dendritic germination. We invited Japanese specialists on this issue to the conference ... And many chemists did not understand what they were talking about. I remember a colleague told me that one of the invited luminaries had the surname Yamamoto. Like his favorite designer ... I almost beat him then! To me, Yamamoto is Isoroku!
          And if for those, then the Yapas in 2017 showed a mat model of this very germination and revealed the quantitative influence of the factors you indicated. So in modern batteries they learned to cope with the goat.
          Sincerely
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 30 January 2021 09: 49
            +1
            Quote: nobody75
            And if for those, then the Yapas in 2017 showed a mat model of this very germination and revealed the quantitative influence of the factors you indicated.

            The mathematical model means that they did not see the fact of such a phenomenon live and did not investigate it - did I understand correctly? I think that the problem was really solved, but as usual, what is obtained in laboratory conditions is difficult to obtain in mass production at enterprises.
            Quote: nobody75
            So in modern batteries they have learned to cope with a goat.

            I think that Musk got it from the battery manufacturers for his car, otherwise he would have been ruined by the courts by buyers, because it is a durable item.
            Quote: nobody75
            We invited Japanese specialists on this issue to the conference ...

            In the eighties, the French were the leaders, the products of their SAFT company enjoyed authority with us. Now the world market is probably captured by Asians.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 30 January 2021 15: 17
              0
              The mathematical model means that they did not see the fact of such a phenomenon live and did not investigate it - did I understand correctly?

              During the report, this same Yamamoto showed visualization based on scanning electron microscopy data ... The Japanese turned out to be specialists in "soft body physics", I would even say "nanists". So they observed the germination process under laboratory conditions many times.
              As for Musk, his Teslas have already flashed more than once. Usually, firefighters block the route and let them burn out, because it's more expensive to extinguish lithium with water ... (Timokhin needs to tell about this)
              Yapi, by the way, make boats with lithium-ion batteries, I think, out of poverty ...
              Sincerely
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 30 January 2021 15: 35
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                To extinguish lithium with water is more expensive ...

                I first learned about this about forty years ago in an academic research institute on Leninsky Prospekt - they then ran this direction in our science and were the main theorists. Since then, I don’t believe in miracles about lithium.
                Quote: nobody75
                We need to tell Timokhin about this

                He will not believe, for he does not doubt his delusions.
                Quote: nobody75
                Yapi, by the way, make boats with lithium-ion batteries, I think, out of poverty ...

                I am too far from this, behind the times. Maybe they somehow solved the issue of shooting batteries in a critical situation? Like the way they do it with the cosmic steps?
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 30 January 2021 16: 05
                  0
                  Since then, I don’t believe in miracles about lithium.

                  The laptop from which I am writing is equipped with this very polymer battery. Until, ugh, ugh, ugh, it exploded. And not one of my smartphones since 2009 has never caught fire ... Where, I wonder, did Mr. Timokhin get a photo of such cheap laptops? Maybe the battery does not go away on them? Or did he spill counterfeit instant coffee on them, which offended the battery?
                  As for the battery for the electric torpedo, I don't understand what the noise is about. A torpedo is not a UPS ... How long should it work ?! And the fleet needs electric deep-sea torpedoes. At least for arming the Cephalopod. He is able to fire from a depth of 700 - 800 m, which makes counter-torpedoes useless.
                  Sincerely
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 30 January 2021 16: 21
                    0
                    Quote: nobody75
                    As for the battery for the electric torpedo, I don't understand what the noise is about.

                    I also did not understand his message, especially since it is difficult for me to believe that taking the torpedo into service did not require the creation of a battery for it, which was tested in different modes. Something Timokhin either does not finish, or is lying about something ...
                    1. nobody75
                      nobody75 30 January 2021 16: 28
                      0
                      Something Timokhin either does not finish, or is lying about something ...

                      I wonder if he is lying for a catchphrase or how Navalny got into marketing? Can you imagine how after his video about Putin's secret palace in Gelendzhik, apartments there will rise in price? The same "product placement". So Timokhin - has an "interest" in his black PR ...
                      Sincerely
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 January 2021 16: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: nobody75
                        So Timokhin - has an "interest" in his black PR ...

                        I have no precise evidence, but something tells me that it was not in vain that he developed such violent activity here. Usually there are just interested people, and there are those who make money on dubious sensations.
                      2. nobody75
                        nobody75 30 January 2021 16: 43
                        0
                        In a series of articles about corvettes, Mr. Timokhin openly promoted the products of individual defense plants, demonstrating a high "personal venality" ... oh, sorry, the effectiveness of personal sales of course!
                        Sincerely
                      3. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 39
                        0
                        Do not think that if you are trading yourself, then other people - me for example - are the same as you.
                        It is not.
                        Do not judge people by yourself.
                      4. nobody75
                        nobody75 31 January 2021 22: 07
                        0
                        I praised your public relations ministry ... I appreciated your professionalism! And you ... swear right away
                      5. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 19
                        0
                        The advice is still valid - do not judge people by yourself, some are not for sale, unlike you.
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                2. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 45
                  0
                  Why are you getting so horny, I wonder?
                3. nobody75
                  nobody75 31 January 2021 22: 09
                  +2
                  I remembered your "non-ordered" article about shells with remote detonation. Then an article about the liab with photographs of laptops smashed against the wall (for some reason you decided that the battery on them exploded)
                4. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 04
                  0
                  You do not mind the name of the author under the article is not enough to read?

                  And yes, I'm glad that there were no objections to the cheapness.
                5. mine
                  mine 2 February 2021 18: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: nobody75
                  I remembered your "non-ordered" article about shells with remote detonation.

                  Monsieur, will YOU please answer for your LIES BAZAAR
                  BY WHOM it was supposedly "ordered", what proof do YOU ​​have of this YOUR nonsense?
                  Quote: nobody75
                  an article about the liab with photographs of laptops smashed against the wall (for some reason you decided that the battery on them exploded)

                  fool
                  Monsieur, have YOU been to the ophthalmologist for a long time? fool
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 1 February 2021 13: 14
                +1
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Why are you getting so horny, I wonder?

                There is only one handwriting - it resembles propagandists from the special services of Ukraine.
              3. mine
                mine 4 February 2021 13: 45
                -3
                Quote: ccsr
                There is only one handwriting - it resembles propagandists from the special services of Ukraine.

                yes no, fraudulent ensign Ssyk (ccsr), you remind me of the galloping monkeys from the Maidan
      2. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 44
        0
        Only a stubborn warrant officer is lying here, unable to understand that in the Russian Federation there is a CHOICE of batteries, including lithium-ion ones. And some samples are quite worthy - but in the Klimov article it was about a completely different sample.

        You really can't handle it all.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 31 January 2021 22: 10
          +1
          that in the Russian Federation there is a CHOICE of batteries, including lithium-ion

          Developers and CHOSE
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 1 February 2021 13: 52
          0
          Quote: nobody75
          Developers and CHOSE

          Not only did the developers choose, the customer, represented by the Navy, was simply obliged to agree on their choice, otherwise this development would not have been allowed even for tests at the training grounds of the Navy, not to mention purchases.
        3. mine
          mine 2 February 2021 18: 22
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          in general, this development would not be allowed even for tests at the training grounds of the Navy

          prapor, but just a naive youth lol
      3. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 04
        0
        Developers WHAT?
      4. mine
        mine 2 February 2021 18: 21
        -1
        Quote: nobody75
        Developers and CHOSE

        monsieur, YOU absolutely fool ?
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 1 February 2021 13: 24
      0
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Only a stoned warrant officer who is not able to understand that in the Russian Federation there is a CHOICE from batteries, including lithium-ion

      You're lying, as always, verbiage, because the battery market in Russia is very limited by the choice of electrochemical pairs - there are only 4-5 of them acceptable, and the question of technology arises, since purity of materials is the main condition. And here there are very big problems, if only because of the cost of the product, which also directly depends on the quantity in the series.
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      And some samples are quite worthy - but in the Klimov article it was about a completely different sample.

      How did Klimov go wrong? It turns out that he did not know that a new torpedo was tested in 2020, with new batteries, and rubbed us in here how bad things were in the Navy with lithium batteries. So it turns out he deliberately lied, without referring to a new torpedo, in order to push through what he himself lobbies? Well, you are both crooks - there is no cross on you.
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      You really can't handle it all.

      What are you talking about - they caught both of you lying and falsifying, and now, in response, to explain your lie, declare that it allegedly will not be mastered. Do not worry, drag your fabrications here, and we will master them, and smear them for unprofessionalism.
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 02
    0
    From Klimov:

    Ensign TsTSSRe:
    I find it hard to believe that taking the torpedo into service did not require the creation of a battery for it, which was tested in different modes. Something Timokhin either does not finish, or is lying about something ...


    MK: Prapor, what can you even "believe" in besides your boxes of stew and footcloths (yes, the ravings of your drinking companions, ensigns about "Amer.AV")? Torpedo batteries? Yes, the tests took place ... BUT initially USET was supposed to have a silver-magnesium combat battery, it had all the rules, but "the silver in the country ran out", and we had to urgently make COPPER-magnesium, but with it, not looking at 49 (!) batteries spent on obtaining the letter O1, they "suddenly forgot" to conduct tests on a number of conditions of use (according to TU). And they have forgotten so far, the proposals to carry out such tests cause a REAL SCREAM that "it is not necessary to carry out them !!!"

    A PRACTICAL battery was originally a STSAB. Normal, mastered. Then the "Rigel" got into this topic - just on the "Kursk" the specialists from the "Dagdizel" went out to shoot USET with a "Rigel" battery. "Rigel" ended with the fact that in the mid-2000s Admiral Suchkov demanded and achieved COMPARATIVE tests (after which "Rigel" completely abandoned the "torpedo theme").

    The same development tests of USET-80 - "Ichthyosaurus" were carried out either on COMBAT (MM) batteries (while TRABLE them on USET is NOT CRITICAL for "Ichthyosaur" because of the new engine and SU) and SCSAB. swindlers sent at once and very far.
    "Lion" appeared as a "drinking" topic of the Ministry of Industry and Trade for the purchase of Chinese equipment, which "to concentrate the dough in the Concern" (other enterprises were doing the SCS) stuffed it into TE2 and stubbornly tried to shove it into the "Kant".

    And traditionally:

    The ensign flaunts the fact that he was somewhere and did something, but in fact, he solved issues in the service like this:



    We also pay attention to how it is written in the Russian layout ccsr - this creature did it on purpose, he enjoys such deviant behavior, they say, how I got into a decent society with such a nickname, but they did not notice !. And then he rejoices, giggles sitting.
    The same pathology forces the ensign to write what he writes.
    He got smart words on the forums, and you can even show them on which ones. He knows nothing but clearing snow.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 2 February 2021 14: 14
      -1
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      BUT initially USET was supposed to have a combat silver-magnesium battery, it had all the rules, but "the country ran out of silver", and we had to urgently make COPPER-magnesium, but with it, despite 49 (!) Spent on obtaining the letter O1 batteries "suddenly forgot" to conduct tests on a number of conditions of use (according to TU).

      You are definitely illiterate - yes, according to specific characteristics, it will not be able to replace batteries on a silver basis, which means that the course and speed of the torpedo will decrease. You are generally out of your mind - a torpedo has a limited volume for installing batteries, and no one can replace silver with copper. Study what the specific capacity of different chemical vapors is before talking nonsense.
      Lithium-ion batteries (LIA) began to be used in the 90s of the past
      centuries and today are the most promising electrochemical
      current sources in terms of obtaining the maximum density of stored energy.
      LIA have already replaced traditional lead-acid and nickel-cadmium batteries in
      many areas
      (fifteen). Lithium-ion batteries were originally designed for
      applications in mobile devices and electric vehicles. Prerequisites for their
      widespread adoption are the following advantages:
      - high operating voltage (average - 3,7 V);
      - high values ​​of the density of the stored energy;
      - no memory effect;
      - low self-discharge;
      - wide operating temperature range.
      The main limiting factors for their use were their high
      cost and the need to use a management system (BMS). Recently
      there was a significant decrease in their value, which potentially allows them
      use effectively in many branches of energy.
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      A PRACTICAL battery was originally a STSAB. Normal, mastered.

      Yes, this is already yesterday - you are definitely not in the subject.
      .
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      "Lion" appeared as a "drinking" topic of the Ministry of Industry and Trade for the purchase of Chinese equipment, which "to concentrate the dough in the Concern" (other enterprises were doing the SCS) stuffed it into TE2 and stubbornly tried to shove it into the "Kant".

      How do you know if the industry sawed without the military? They might want to buy a line for the production of lithium batteries under this, allegedly for civilian needs, so as not to shine and not to fall under possible sanctions or restrictions.
      You listen to this verbiage of Klimov, and it turns out that he already knows everything about the industry - you are simply amazed at such impudence to present something you know nothing about.
    2. mine
      mine 2 February 2021 17: 52
      -1
      Quote: ccsr
      You are definitely illiterate - yes, according to specific characteristics, it will not be able to replace batteries on a silver basis, which means that the course and speed of the torpedo will decrease. You're out of your mind at all - a torpedo has a limited volume for installing batteries, and no one can replace silver with copper... Study what the specific capacity of different chemical vapors is before talking nonsense.

      fool
      Monsieur you have diarrhea?!?!? lol
      or YOU inadvertently his still crushed belay
      by the way, in YOUR ward number 6 google, how - on coupons? poorly go to the site of the developer and manufacturer:
      water-activated copper-magnesium system (B 410 MM-I)
      Purpose The disposable battery is a current source for power supply of the motor and instrumental parts of the torpedo.
      Constructive device Electrochemical system - copper-magnesium.
      The battery consists of electrode blocks placed in a sealed case.
      The battery is powered by immersion in sea or salt water.

      http://uralelement.ru/currentsourcesspecialpurpose.html
      Quote: ccsr
      Yes, this is already yesterday - you are definitely not in the subject.

      YOU SHOOT in purchases. Gov in fresh contracts? Or do you still find them (according to STSAB)?
      Quote: ccsr
      How do you know if the industry sawed without the military?

      and who are you so that I would answer you, the LAPPY drunken warrant, to such presentations?
      Quote: ccsr
      They may want to buy a lithium battery production line for this, allegedly for civilian needs, so as not to shine and not fall under possible sanctions or restrictions.

      Prapor, do you have google coupons in ward 6? go to the developer's website, see the photo of his stand at the salons - WHERE she went
      Quote: ccsr
      You listen to this verbiage of Klimov, and it turns out that he already knows everything about the industry - you are simply amazed at such impudence to present something you know nothing about.

      prapor, you just LEFT DRUNT TRAPPING
      you never had anything to do with anything real
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 2 February 2021 19: 14
      -1
      Quote: mina
      The battery consists of electrode blocks placed in a sealed case.
      The battery is powered by immersion in sea or salt water.

      For illiterate miners, I inform you:
      The specific energy of a copper-magnesium battery under the most favorable discharge conditions (current density 50 - 200 A / m2, room temperature) is about 40 Wh / kg.
      .....
      the specific energy of lithium-ion batteries is 110 ... 270 Wh / kg;

      Even the worst lithium battery is 2,5 times higher than copper-magnesium systems in terms of specific capacity, which means that only because of this, the torpedo's travel range can be increased a couple of times.
      Learn materiel, "miner", you sucks in promising torpedoes ...
    4. mine
      mine 2 February 2021 19: 39
      -1
      Quote: ccsr
      For illiterate miners, I inform you

      about the "illiterate" his ACHINA will tell the doctor - by ACCESSORY
      Quote: ccsr
      Even the worst lithium battery is 2,5 times larger than copper-magnesium systems

      fool
      please tell me, CLOWN, and you are not led to any thoughts by the fact that ANYONE YOU HAVE DONE SUCH (on lithium), but there are only experimental samples (and even then they calmed down after Al-AgO)
      lol
      Quote: ccsr
      Learn materiel, "miner", you sucks in promising torpedoes ...

      bunny, only the PSYCHIATER can understand your "prospects"
    5. ccsr
      ccsr 2 February 2021 20: 26
      -1
      Quote: mina
      ANYONE YET THIS WHIT (on lithium) HAS BEEN DONE,

      You are definitely a verbiage - we already received the first prototypes of lithium batteries in the eighties, but we could not master them in series at that time. And if the naval forces have not bothered to develop something for themselves for thirty-five years, then this is not my fault, but apparently such "specialists" as Klimov.
    6. mine
      mine 3 February 2021 12: 27
      -1
      Quote: ccsr
      Quote: mina
      ANYTHING YET VHIT (on lithium) NOBODY DID,


      You are definitely a verbiage - we already received the first prototypes of lithium batteries in the eighties, but we could not master them in series at that time. And if the naval forces have not bothered to develop something for themselves for thirty-five years, then this is not my fault, but apparently such "specialists" as Klimov.

      Tell me, ensign Ssyk, does YOU have a competition "dumber and dumber" today? lol
      YOU are generally aware of what YOU SQUEEZE wassat ? Or in your "6th ward" the orderlies "cut Google"? lol
      I have clearly written about VHIT.
      What do YOU ​​heart-rendingly SCREAM about BATTERIES.
      Do you even understand the difference between them? Do you realize that WHIT is a BOD (DISPOSABLE BATTERY)?
      Or are YOU on the "piece-by-letter" payment here with the "sirloin" working part-time with your ACHINEA?
    7. ccsr
      ccsr 3 February 2021 13: 02
      -2
      Quote: mina
      Do you even understand the difference between them? Do you realize that WHIT is a BOD (DISPOSABLE BATTERY)?

      Calm down the verbiage - disposable batteries in terms of specific characteristics are inferior to modern chemical current sources. And therefore, it is required to radically change the very approach to the use of new energy sources, because during long-term storage of disposable sources, self-discharge occurs, and this must always be taken into account during long-term operation. There is a cheaper way - to periodically recharge the batteries during operation, and thanks to this we will always be calm about the residual charge, i.e. combat readiness will be higher. The darkness you are not translucent - in the special forces units for the groups of the first stage, the batteries were constantly recharged, and this was done precisely to increase combat readiness. How stupid you are in the navy - you don’t know any of these subtleties, and you’re still trying to teach the infantry. Yes, you yourself need to be taught, judging by you, miner, you are our unsurpassed in the persecution of sea stories ...
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    9. ccsr
      ccsr 3 February 2021 13: 27
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      Quote: mina
      and you can confirm this ACHINEA with something?

      This is not nonsense, but a theory that you do not know. The longer the battery must store its charge, the less its specific characteristics in terms of current output due to design decisions. In other words, it is possible to store much more energy in the same volume of the battery, and periodically recharge it than to store the charge for a long time, in the same size battery, if the question is about years of operation. And the price is not in the last place - long-term storage batteries are more expensive, and the worst thing is that they cannot be recharged if a drop in capacity is suddenly discovered. In general, you are too weak in this knowledge, that's where your crazy ideas appear.
    10. mine
      mine 3 February 2021 13: 52
      -1
      Quote: ccsr
      This is not nonsense, but a theory that you do not know. The longer the battery needs to hold a charge,

      Ensign Ssyk! In your parish school, did you teach PHYSICS at all? STORE CHARGE is a CAPACITOR !!!
      Quote: ccsr
      The longer the battery must store its charge, the less its specific characteristics in terms of current output due to design decisions. In other words, it is possible to store much more energy in the same volume of the battery, and periodically recharge it than to store the charge for a long time, in the battery of the same size.

      it is clear that the ensign (due to the extremely low level of education and general stupidity) confuses CHARGE and ENERGY, however, in VHIT (like other BODs) the energy is "NOT STORED" but ARISES - during ACTIVATION (filling the active mass with a separately stored electrolyte).
      Accordingly, there is NOTHING to "burst" and NOTHING to "recharge".

      Quote: ccsr
      In general, you are too weak in this knowledge, that's where your crazy ideas appear.

      Neighing Aki horse
      pyashi istcho buhoy prapor! wassat
      work as a clown laughing
    11. ccsr
      ccsr 3 February 2021 14: 03
      -1
      Quote: mina
      energy "NOT STORED" and ARISES - during ACTIVATION (filling the active mass with separately stored electrolyte).

      You are definitely a layman - this method is suitable only for some electrochemical systems, and the worst thing is that the specific characteristics of such a battery are much lower than you can get from other electrochemical pairs in the same volume. Read about the disadvantages of ampoule current sources, and then you will understand why in some situations it is beneficial to use them, but in some cases they just suck. Have you heard anything about the specific characteristics of electrochemical sources? One replacement of those sources that are filled with seawater with the most worthless lithium one will immediately increase the torpedo range TWO times. Can you even understand it, or will you still walk in sandals like that?
    12. mine
      mine 3 February 2021 14: 08
      -3
      Quote: ccsr
      You are definitely a layman - this method is only suitable for some electrochemical systems,

      prapor, you are not even an illiterate "bukharik" but just a PATIENT
      so with this nonsense - by belonging - to a psychiatrist
      Quote: ccsr
      and the worst thing is that the specific characteristics of such a battery are much lower than can be obtained from other electrochemical pairs in the same volume

      ensign and this Nonsense wassat Can you confirm yours with NUMBERS?
      WE ARE WAITING
      Quote: ccsr
      One replacement of those sources that are filled with seawater with the most worthless lithium one will immediately increase the torpedo range TWO times. At least you can understand it

      ZAYA, unlike you, but I DO NOT CARRY RANGE, but I operate with FACTS
      Whitehead Black Shark, when replacing a universal Li-Po battery with an Al-AgO BOD, DOUBLES its cruising range
    13. ccsr
      ccsr 3 February 2021 14: 17
      -1
      Quote: mina
      Can you confirm yours with NUMBERS?

      Start with the alphabet, then move on to lithium:
      Quote: mina
      Whitehead Black Shark, when replacing a universal Li-Po battery with an Al-AgO BOD, DOUBLES its cruising range

      And we have something to do with it, and it is unclear whether this is a figment of your fantasies, or advertising.
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  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 16
    +1
    Answer from M. Klimov (he is banned, I am sending it from my account):

    nobody75:
    The laptop from which I am writing is equipped with this very polymer battery. Until, ugh, ugh, ugh, it exploded. And not one of my smartphones since 2009 has never caught fire ... Where, I wonder, did Mr. Timokhin get a photo of such cheap laptops? Maybe the battery does not go away on them?


    MK: Brehlo nobody75! Becoming about "Lyon" is mine. And the speech in it is just about the fact that the PROTECTION (SUZ) of "Lyon" MOWED over and over again. With all the possible ensuing consequences. And in the article it was written clearly and in Russian.

    nobody75:
    As for the battery for the electric torpedo, I don't understand what the noise is about. A torpedo is not a UPS ... How long should it work ?!


    MK:
    YOU are carrying an illiterate nonsense! A torpedo with a "kosyachnoy" CPS battery does not need to "work" with LIAB, because the battery is ALREADY CHARGED, and the torpedo is on the torpedo deck.

    nobody75:
    And the fleet needs electric deep-sea torpedoes. At least for arming the Cephalopod. He is able to fire from a depth of 700 - 800 m,

    MK: Another illiterate nonsense. It has long been written quite openly about what goes on the NPA - "Guide-Geyser" (caliber 220mm)

    nobody75:
    "Cephalopod". He is able to fire from a depth of 700 - 800 m, which makes counter-torpedoes useless.


    MK:
    another illiterate nonsense, the scheme of the ESA of the American ATT was worked out at 1250m back in the late 80s
  • nsm1
    nsm1 1 February 2021 18: 57
    -2
    Quote: ccsr
    I think Musk got it from the battery manufacturers for his car.
    There are the most common 18650
  • mine
    mine 2 February 2021 18: 36
    -1
    Quote: nobody75
    Ours were seriously interested in this very dendritic germination. We invited Japanese specialists on this issue to the conference ... And many chemists did not understand what they were talking about. I remember a colleague told me that one of the invited luminaries had the surname Yamamoto. Like his favorite designer ... I almost beat him then! To me, Yamamoto is Isoroku!

    wassat
    regular "fairy tales of the Vienna woods" lol
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 35
    0
    Ensign, how much are you worth? I would hire you to spoil on a couple of resources.
    Surely you are cheap, right.

    Everything has been written about this torpedo for a long time.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 31 January 2021 22: 03
      -2
      You are talking illiterate with Klimov! Photos of LIAB "torpedo" explosions in the studio!
      Do you take into account the number of recharge cycles? Or is your torpedo reloading in your vehicle?
      Becoming about "Lyon" is mine. And the speech in it is just about the fact that the PROTECTION (SUZ) of "Lyon" MOWED over and over again.

      There is nothing to mow ...
      the ESA circuit of the American ATT was worked out at 1250m back in the late 80s

      HOW MANY torpedo tubes were there on the boat that dived at 1200 m? One???
      How many times did she dive ??? Is it called the "worked out circuit" now?
      It has long been written quite openly about what goes on the NPA - "Guide-Geyser" (caliber 220mm)

      The developers themselves "quite openly" do not know what the NPA will be armed with ... The power plant and the navigation system are being tested ... But copy-pasters know better !!!
      I would hire you to spoil on a couple of resources.

      From a distance you can see a journalist - a copy-paste ..., Corruption is in your blood!
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 1 February 2021 14: 00
        0
        Quote: nobody75
        From a distance you can see a journalist - a copy-paste ..., Corruption is in your blood!

        Absolutely spotted. And yet - blatant technical illiteracy when the question concerns deeper knowledge of various weapons.
        1. mine
          mine 2 February 2021 18: 16
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          blatant technical ignorance when the question concerns deeper knowledge of various weapons.

          prapor, you are not just very stupid, you are pathological nonsense
          and finally drunk
          nonsense about "constant tracking of aircraft carriers or submarines in the Black Sea" (like you) can only be borne by patient 6
      2. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 15
        0
        Lord, how dumb you are. Here and without Klimov, you can answer.

        Photos of LIAB "torpedo" explosions in the studio!


        They were removed from the submarine immediately after Losharik, none of them had time to explode, that before the photo in general, and not Lyon, then any normal person, healthy and without brain pathologies, saw that there was such a photo in the article about batteries.

        There is nothing to mow ...
        the ESA circuit of the American ATT was worked out at 1250m back in the late 80s

        HOW MANY torpedo tubes were there on the boat that dived at 1200 m? One???
        How many times did she dive ??? Is it called the "worked out circuit" now?


        Any normal, healthy person, without brain pathologies, would fully understand that we are talking about - literally - "ESU" TORPEDA. This is a TORPEDA, NOT a boat! And here the "boat dived"? It's about a torpedo.
        Regarding the deep sea program of the US Navy, this is a separate conversation, but everything is obvious here. Everyone except you.

        From a distance you can see a journalist - a copy-paste ..., Corruption is in your blood!


        I repeat - if you are selling yourself, this does not mean that other people are the same.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 1 February 2021 13: 58
      0
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      I would hire you to spoil on a couple of resources.

      I guessed for sure - Timokhin is on the feeding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to do dirty tricks on the Runet, so he scribbles all kinds of heresy here, and even looks for assistants.
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Surely you are cheap, right.

      I am not for sale, unlike you.
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Everything has been written about this torpedo for a long time.

      After all, you're lying, as always - how could it have been written about her for a long time, if the State Tests in February 2020 were carried out and the act has a stamp? Well, how are you, a liar could find out something about her? Klimov lied about lithium batteries, which supposedly leak, but now it seems like they do not flow, and in general it is not clear what he wrote about. So come on, dodge, "expert", since Klimov cannot report anything sane.
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 16
        0
        After all, you're lying, as always - how could it have been written about her for a long time, if the State Tests in February 2020 were carried out and the act has a stamp?


        The liar here is the insane warrant officer from the bath and laundry plant, who does not even understand that there is open unclassified information on any product that a developer or manufacturer publishes, this is a normal phenomenon.
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    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 27 January 2021 13: 40
      -14%
      Quote: Andrew 40
      Serial in the understanding of our power, is it 7 pieces or 10 pieces?

      Something in between.
    2. bobba94
      bobba94 27 January 2021 14: 06
      -1
      A joke as a joke, but the question is not a joke. Example. On VO and on other sites, they wrote a lot about the ACS Coalition SV, how cool it is, cooler than the American ACS Paladin and how we will show the enemy Kuzkin's mother with this Coalition of SVs. I got interested, googled ....... more than 5,5 thousand Paladin self-propelled guns around the world, and the CB Coalition self-propelled guns - about 20 installations
      1. Ilya098
        Ilya098 27 January 2021 15: 16
        +16
        Does it bother you that the M109 began to be produced in 1962, and that the serial production of the Coalition-SV will start only next year? If we compare in terms of quantity, then the number of active Msta-S we have is about 518 units for 2020, the number of active Paladins in the US Army for 2016 is 469 vehicles. Well, in terms of performance characteristics, the Coalition was probably compared with the XM1299, which will enter the army (according to American Wikipedia) around 2024.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 January 2021 16: 55
          +5
          Quote: Ilya098
          If we compare in quantity, then

          A worthy, competent answer to an opponent! good
      2. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 29 January 2021 09: 53
        0
        Google more for how many XM1299. Hint: no more than "Coalitions".
      3. bobba94
        bobba94 29 January 2021 12: 01
        0
        I give up. Zampolites won ...
  • V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 27 January 2021 13: 39
    -2
    Interestingly, the effective range of use could at least reach the enemy torpedoes?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 January 2021 17: 14
      +3
      Quote: V.I.P.
      Interestingly, the effective range of use could at least reach the enemy torpedoes?

      Colleague, explain your question, plz. Because there is D stroke max, D telecontrol, D in the first / second mode (speed) ...
      But D ef (?) My sclerosis does not remember something ... In RAO - yes, there is such a thing. But in the Romanian troops something is not remembered.
      If you are talking about D gsn in different modes, then this is somewhat different.
      Explain, plz! repeat
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 10
        +1
        What's with the trump cards right away?
        laughing laughing
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 1 February 2021 15: 58
          0
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          What's with the trump cards right away?

          And Schaub's head did not stagger!
  • Alexga
    Alexga 27 January 2021 13: 52
    +2
    In 2020, we completed state tests of the first Russian electric torpedo ...

    So the research institute at Issyk-Kul is back in work.
  • realmadmaxx
    realmadmaxx 27 January 2021 14: 22
    0
    not much offtopic)
    I was waiting for the news here
    "For the first time, Russian air defenses shoot down a high-precision American" stealth "bomb GBU-39 SDB over Syria
    More details at: https://avia.pro/news/rossiyskie-pvo-vpervye-sbili-nad-siriey-vysokotochnuyu-amerikanskuyu-stels-bombu-gbu-39-sdb?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop " good
    1. Maki maki
      Maki maki 27 January 2021 16: 33
      +17
      Quote: realmadmaxx
      For the first time, Russian air defenses shoot down a high-precision American "stealth" bomb GBU-39 over Syria

      You probably missed it. News from 23.01.21:
      https://topwar.ru/179304-sirijskij-zrpk-pancir-s-perehvatil-izrailskuju-vysokotochnuju-bombu-gbu-39.html
      1. realmadmaxx
        realmadmaxx 27 January 2021 18: 27
        +1
        ooo call, saw on a third-party resource in the recommendations yes
  • Escobar
    Escobar 27 January 2021 17: 35
    +1
    Why then did the army in 2020 sign a contract to extend the service life of the ancient Uset 80? Https: //topwar.ru/174858-kontrakty-voenno-morskogo-flota-na-armii-2020.html
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 January 2021 06: 19
    -3
    If work on the torpedo is still ongoing, then how can it be sent to the Armed Forces, there is much I don't understand. Why is it necessary to announce new weapons that are not on stream?
    1. Escobar
      Escobar 28 January 2021 17: 17
      0
      In order to shut up the public, not indifferent to the affairs of the fleet. We love to promise. announce plans and TD and TP. For the sake of the word.
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 36
      0
      Obnosov is being promoted, in reality it is a UET-1 torpedo, it passed state tests back in 2020, in February.
  • Rufat
    Rufat 28 January 2021 11: 19
    -3
    We need to switch to the production of electric cars.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 January 2021 12: 13
    +2
    Although I am an atheist, but regarding the new electric torpedo for the Navy, I will say - "With God !!!"
    And as a torpedo engineer by education, I know how difficult it is to create new torpedoes. And even in our gloomy time
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 21: 11
      -1
      Especially this one - she was deliberately crushed for many years so that she would not get into the fleet.
      And she took it and hit bully
  • Escobar
    Escobar 28 January 2021 17: 37
    -1
    Hopefully this new torpedo isn't the UET-1 Ichthyosaurus? With a declared maximum range of 25 km? Despite the fact that the American MK-46 make 50 km. This is certainly better than the Soviet Uset-80 with a range of 18 km and or Set 65 with a range of 15 km. But all the same, our submariners and anti-submarine weapons remain unpunished targets for American submarines.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 31 January 2021 20: 37
      -3
      This is it, yes.

      As for the range, I would not dramatize so much, there are a lot of nuances with the use. The torpedo is good. But we need normal telecontrol.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 31 January 2021 22: 05
        +1
        Oh, the torpedo is already good! Oh well...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 1 February 2021 18: 21
          0
          Quote: nobody75
          Oh, the torpedo is already good! Oh well...

          Noticed how he cleverly changed his shoes in the air? At first Klimov told here that supposedly lithium batteries were leaking, and in general everything was lost in the fleet without torpedoes, and Timokhin cheerfully sang along with him. Then Obnosov appeared with a statement about the successful state tests of 2020, and it began - it turns out that he is promoting himself, although he could only say what he was allowed to, as I think. Klimov cannot explain anything intelligible, but as it turned out, according to Timokhin's version, he told us about this torpedo five years ago, which of course made me laugh. Well, now, when there is nowhere to go, Timokhin began to declare that the torpedo is good, but it turns out that it has long been accepted, that in general it is on the verge of insanity - the state tests took place only in 2020, and it is possible that even money for mass production was not planned for 2020, and she has not yet entered the navy.
          In general, both of these figures decided to promote themselves, threw in dubious information, and when suddenly a refutation of their fantasies came, it turned out that we had "good torpedoes in service for a long time."
          Yes, our big top knows how to give an idea - the arena is still the same, we are waiting for the continuation after the intermission ...
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 18
            0
            Noticed how he cleverly changed his shoes in the air?


            The insane warrant officer is invited to show where either I or Klimov wrote something bad about UET-1.
          2. mine
            mine 2 February 2021 18: 09
            -1
            Quote: ccsr
            First, Klimov said here that supposedly lithium batteries are leaking,

            LIE
            I wrote ANOTHER
            Quote: ccsr
            Then Obnosov appeared with a statement about successful state tests in 2020, and it began

            FACE ON THE TABLE OF THE FALSE PRAPORA LINK:
            https://mina030.livejournal.com/16252.html
            "Ichthyosaurus passed the GI" 14.02.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 1 February 2021 23: 17
          0
          Did someone say she was bad?
      2. Escobar
        Escobar 1 February 2021 13: 03
        0
        As far as I remember, the "physicist" has a firing range of 50 km. Feel the difference.
  • maiman61
    maiman61 28 January 2021 18: 25
    0
    After all, how we care about our partners! We will drown them with environmentally friendly torpedoes!
  • mine
    mine 2 February 2021 18: 11
    -1
    Quote: ccsr
    but as it turned out, according to Timokhin, he told us about this torpedo five years ago, which of course made me laugh.

    warrant officer Ssyk, YOU with YOUR hysterical and sick laughter - TO THE DOCTOR
    And Klimov publicly spoke about this torpedo for the first time back in 2012 (in the military-industrial complex)