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Motor Sich develops a shipborne helicopter for Ukrainian corvettes

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Motor Sich develops a shipborne helicopter for Ukrainian corvettes

Ukrainian Ministry of Defense ordered the development of a marine helicopter aviation... According to Defense Express, the new helicopter will have to go into service with the corvettes built for the Ukrainian Navy according to the Turkish project.


The helicopter will be developed by Motor Sich, the Mi-2 is considered as the base model. For use as a naval helicopter, the helicopter will undergo remotorization and renovation, and will also receive additional equipment and mechanisms. "Total digitalization" of all systems is assumed.

The development of a helicopter based on the deep modernization of the Mi-2 will be divided into several stages. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the first new helicopter in the form of a coastal-based vehicle should arrive at the Ukrainian Navy this year. The helicopter in the deck version should be created by 2023, this is due to the receipt of the Ukrainian fleet the first corvette.

Until 2023 - the creation of a helicopter for the corvette, which provides for the installation of a folding mechanism for the blades so that it can be accommodated in the ship's hangar

- said the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Alexander Mironyuk.

It is specified that the helicopter will be created in two versions - search and rescue and anti-ship. There are no other details about the project.

The newspaper itself admits that it is "rather difficult" to create an anti-ship version of the helicopter based on the Mi-2 and, as an alternative, they propose to purchase specialized Western-made helicopters or arm UAV corvettes.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 January 2021 10: 42
    +3
    the new helicopter will have to go into service with the corvettes built for the Ukrainian Navy according to the Turkish project.

    An interesting question. Only who will build them and when, these corvettes.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 27 January 2021 10: 45
      0
      to create an anti-ship version of the helicopter based on the Mi-2 is "rather difficult"
      Clear! To carry the admiral on a fishing trip.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 January 2021 10: 58
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        To carry the admiral on a fishing trip.

        What more.
        Admirals will be carried on fishing helicopters decommissioned in America and donated for the money of Sumeria
        And these (this one) will carry the staff. They are not so sorry
        1. Temples
          Temples 27 January 2021 11: 01
          0
          Does Mimino mind? wassat
          And I understand that there will be corvettes with sails.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 07
            +2
            Well, a Georgian with a Sumerian will always agree laughing
            After all, they suffered together from the "Occupation"
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 January 2021 13: 14
              +4
              Quote: Lipchanin
              After all, they suffered together from the "Occupation"

              And from the famine.
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 15
            0
            Quote: Temples
            And I understand that there will be corvettes with sails.

            Almost
          3. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 27 January 2021 18: 38
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            Does Mimino mind?
            And I understand that there will be corvettes with sails.
            . ?!
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Well, a Georgian with a Sumerian will always agree
            ?!
            Quote: NDR-791
            Clear! To carry the admiral on a fishing trip.
            ?!
            Quote: tihonmarine
            An interesting question. Only who will build them and when, these corvettes.
            ?!... Well, for example, - Turks (!)... Like bridges, in the same Zaporozhye (!).... There is funding, - there is real progress in construction (!)...

            This I mean that - how "real Srach", in discussions on VO ?! How many "imaginary gloating" ? !! .... And meanwhile, - in the reality, STRAIGHT before your eyes (!), what happens is - that the potential and developments of the USSR (!), stronger and stronger (!), even Turks can use (!).... And they, EXACTLY earn real money (!), while figuratively speaking two sons of one father (RF and Ukraine), gloat and poke their fingers FRIEND TO FRIEND.(!!).... While their industrial potential (the same "KB Antonov" or "Motor Sich" or "Zorya-Mashproekt" ETC,, , a all this - SATISFIED high tech industries !!!) are used / work to play them offand mutual opposition and, accordingly, impoverishment (!).... and it's in the house, which figuratively built - ONE FATHER (in terms of, one single State !!!) ..... OW ... (!), Isn't it time to WAKE UP? !!!.

            Quote: venik
            Build .... If they get paid! And with this, just questions, questions, questions ...
            yes in order to play off, money will be found !!!but BAD in, - WHAT it is we with you, we will no longer benefit from this (!!!).
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 27 January 2021 20: 02
              0
              Quote: Vl Nemchinov
              one single State !!!) ..... OW ... (!), isn't it time to WAKE UP? !!!.

              I understand and share your pain and indignation.
              Only I am a pessimist and I am interested in another question: will the dyrzhava have time to build a corvette before the puppy is finally dead?
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 28 January 2021 08: 16
                +1
                I completely agree with you. What the sharovary politicians and the commander claim is nothing more than cutting money and stealing under the guise of government orders. In addition, the equipment they are going to build is already obsolete. And if we take into account the political situation within NizalEzhnaya, then the very existence of this under-state is a big question. For the sixth year they have been at war with each other, but they could only dress up their army in NATO rags. That's all "achievements"
        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 27 January 2021 11: 05
          -2
          will carry the staff. They are not so sorry
          Perhaps yes ... Initially, the piston helicopter should be converted into a turbine + a mechanism for folding the blades + crammed with electronics + rescue equipment at sea ... Maybe one colonel will fit in. So you have to redo it all - consider designing a new one.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 27 January 2021 11: 27
            +3
            The colonel has no external sling.
          2. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 27 January 2021 11: 38
            +9
            Quote: NDR-791
            Initially, the piston helicopter was converted into a turbine

            And when was the Mi-2 piston?
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 27 January 2021 11: 47
              +4
              Excuse me, jamb, oh ... fool
            2. DMB_95
              DMB_95 27 January 2021 12: 59
              0
              Much more interesting is the question - "when will Motor Sich become Turkish?" Or will this plant simply start assembling engines for Turkish combat helicopters? And there for the rest of NATO
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 27 January 2021 14: 02
                +2
                Quote: DMB_95
                Much more interesting is the question - "when will Motor Sich become Turkish?"

                And where did the Chinese go?
          3. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 27 January 2021 11: 59
            +3
            Quote: NDR-791
            Initially, the piston helicopter was converted into a turbine

            It was originally designed and built with 2 GTD-350 (2x400 l / s)
            This Mi-1 was powered by an M-13 piston engine
          4. Piramidon
            Piramidon 27 January 2021 12: 20
            +10
            Quote: NDR-791
            Initially, the piston helicopter was converted into a turbine

            The Mi-2 was never piston-driven. It was equipped with 2 turboshaft gas turbine engines GTD-350. hi
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 27 January 2021 10: 49
      0
      It seems that the Ukrainians were blown away with their Project 58250 corvettes (the head Vladimir the Great has not been able to finish building since 2011) and are now going to build Turkish Ada-class corvettes.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 27 January 2021 10: 57
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        now they are going to build Turkish corvettes of the "Ada" type
        So they will be blown away with the helicopter if they don’t get sick at all!
        The helicopter will be developed by Motor Sich, the Mi-2 is considered as the base model
        .They are motor builders, what can they design?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 08
          -4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          what can they design?

          Chassis lol
        2. Thorvlobnor IV
          Thorvlobnor IV 27 January 2021 12: 18
          0
          Mi-2MSB, which is in the picture for the post, has been flying for a long time.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 27 January 2021 12: 22
            +4
            Quote: Torvlobnor IV
            Mi-2MSB, which is in the picture for the post, has been flying for a long time.
            You wanted to say the AI-450 motors have been flying for a long time, and the Mi-2 on which they were installed have been flying for a very long time. No gliders from scratch.
            1. Thorvlobnor IV
              Thorvlobnor IV 27 January 2021 12: 32
              +3
              In the sense that the helicopter does not need to be designed, it is already ready and entered into service 5 years ago (unarmed version). Now it is being tested as a carrier of unguided and guided missiles, as well as a 12.7mm machine gun, for pilots - helmet-mounted monitors with thermal imagers.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 27 January 2021 13: 58
                +7
                Quote: Torvlobnor IV
                In the sense that the helicopter does not need to be designed, it is already ready and entered into service 5 years ago (unarmed version).

                Mi-2MSB is the already built Mi-2. re-engineered and modernized avionics. This is not a new car, but an inherited modernization. That is, the available documentation concerns only engines, gearbox and avionics.
                The problem is that the Mi-2MSB (like the original Mi-2) is a land helicopter. If you put it on the deck in its existing form, then problems with corrosion will immediately begin, with the safety of flights over the sea (including the safety of the crew during an emergency landing on water), with volumes for accommodating additional equipment, etc. And their solution will require redesigning the helicopter fuselage, which has not been done before. And in the end, most likely, and the manufacture of a new fuselage.
                Otherwise, the Ukrainian Navy will receive a beautiful, useless, short-lived and dangerous toy for the crews at the price of a full-fledged PLO helicopter. smile
                1. Thorvlobnor IV
                  Thorvlobnor IV 27 January 2021 16: 29
                  -1
                  The Mi-2 helicopters, which we now have in Ukraine in large quantities. They can be repaired, re-engineered, modernized, ”says Nikolay Zubko, chief engineer of Vertolloti Motor Sich UE.

                  That is, there are no problems with donors.

                  New generation engines were installed on the rotorcraft at the Motor Sich plant. The rest of the modification was carried out at the AgroaviaDnepr enterprise in Dnipro. With the participation of specialists from the design bureau under the leadership of Alexander Ponikarevich, the Mi-2 received an increased rate of climb, speed, became more comfortable and stable. Here they developed a composite tail rotor, replaced the cabin and interior.
                  In the new glass cockpit of the Mi-2MSB-1 helicopter, which meets all the requirements of ergonomics, the avionics have been completely changed. All the old analog devices were removed by the designers, replacing the aviation instrumentation with digital ones. The Mi-2MSB-1 has two flight and navigation systems, a monitoring system for the engine and other helicopter systems.
                  Composite materials are widely used in the development, which made it possible to improve the aerodynamics of the helicopter. The weight of the overall structure is reduced by 400 kg, which allows you to carry more cargo or have more fuel, increasing the flight range. Fuel consumption reduced by 35%.
                  The renovated cabin has an air conditioning system and climate control. Sound insulation increased due to double glazing. AgroaviaDnipro has designed and manufactured new seats for pilots and passengers, as well as a four-point harness with shoulder straps. The seats are certified and meet all the requirements for overloads, tilt angle, and durable carbon materials are widely used in their production. The upholstery is redesigned with signature contrast stitching.
                  The increased power of the engine makes it possible to take off from confined areas “like a helicopter”. AgroaviaDnipro intends to confirm category A - flight on one engine to fly over settlements and water surfaces - and replace the bearing blades of its own design, which will allow to get 250-300 kg more thrust.
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 27 January 2021 11: 00
        +1
        With foreign orders, kickbacks are obtained immediately, in foreign currency and offshore. And building at home is a bunch of hemorrhoids, an unknown budget and kickbacks in hryvnia, which must be cashed, withdrawn ...
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 27 January 2021 11: 01
        +3
        And this is rather bad news, because the Turks will build it.
        1. venik
          venik 27 January 2021 11: 36
          -3
          Quote: alexmach
          And this is rather bad news, because the Turks will build it.

          ========
          They will build .... If they pay! And with this, just questions, questions, questions ..... Although the prepayment for the first corvette seems to have already been made, it is not a fact that the whole series enough ..... I strongly suspect that (at best) the case will end with just one corvette ..... bully
      4. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 02
        -5
        Quote: Thrall
        and now they are going to build Turkish corvettes of the "Ada" type.

        What to build on.
        They are all shipyards, well, or almost lost everything

        [img] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDJQMbj2G7w [/ img]
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 13
          -5
          Quote: Lipchanin
          They are all shipyards, well, or almost lost everything

      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 January 2021 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: Thrall
        It seems that the Ukrainians were blown away with their Project 58250 corvettes

        What a corvette, when a cruiser is 30% ready for 98 years, and they cannot finish building. It is time to drag it to India on the "nails". And if they want to build simple boats in Britain, then a corvette for them is like a nuclear power plant for Somalia.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 27 January 2021 10: 50
      +3
      The Turks will build. It seems like a contract was signed.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 January 2021 13: 24
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        The Turks will build. It seems like a contract was signed.

        The project is Turkish, the plant is Turkish, and the ensign is Ukrainian.
        So they would say - "We are buying a Turkish corvette."
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 27 January 2021 10: 51
      +6
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The question is interesting.

      Some strange helicopter ... If we proceed from the usual rubbish called "Ukrainian logic", where the main postulate is "let it go through the butt, just not like Russia," then the main rotor should be UNDER the helicopter. And they, for some reason, ON TOP ... recourse
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 03
        -1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        where the main postulate is "even through the priest, if only not like in Russia"

        And the tail in front lol
    5. donavi49
      donavi49 27 January 2021 10: 53
      +2
      Erdogan. Just like Pakistan.
    6. Insurgent
      Insurgent 27 January 2021 10: 53
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      An interesting question. Only who will build them and when, these corvettes.

      The answer to your question is even more interesting yes
      TURKS can build ... And thus, "square"will be drawn into enslaving dependence on the Ottomans ...

      1-2 corvettes, of course they can get, but create full-fledged deck helicopter to them - No.
      And also the difficulties in basing and maintaining ships, weapons and "air wing" ...

      Pychal in the Outskirts yes
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 27 January 2021 11: 01
        +1
        But what is the difficulty in putting the Mi-2 on a corvette? They will draw restrictions on wave height and wind speed, and that's all.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 27 January 2021 11: 06
          +2
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          But what is the difficulty in putting the Mi-2 on a corvette? Draw restrictions by wave height and wind speed, and that's all.

          Well, he sat down, "sat down" yes And then WHAT? ? ?
          Is it anti-submarine, anti-ship, or at worst a search and rescue?

          What is it for there, Mi-2? Carry the admiral's little body? Simply , "Member carrier"?

          So on the outskirts EVERYTHING IS DRAWN. And she herself yes
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 27 January 2021 11: 08
            +1
            Well, they bought the corvette, the grandmas sank and then nothing else too)
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 09
          -3
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          They will draw restrictions on wave height and wind speed, and that's all.

          Well yes. Plant only in the port at the quay wall lol
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 27 January 2021 11: 07
        +2
        I think they will drink the Mi-2 and then they will buy 4-6 cars of the type of these, maybe even used ones and they will score the topic.



    7. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 27 January 2021 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine

      An interesting question. Only who will build them and when, these corvettes.

      Turks. Hell-type corvettes. They are serially built for Turkey and Pakistan.

      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 27 January 2021 11: 12
        -3
        Will the Turks build for free? Ukraine is an impoverished state, capable only of buying boats, if the rollback comes up, there is not enough money for corvettes.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 27 January 2021 11: 23
          +4
          Did they tell you on TV? Immediately after they freeze in winter - well, or next winter.

          For this year, they have almost 6% of GDP for the power block (10 billion well, a little less, how much is there a rate of 28?):
          According to the project of the Sovereign Budget of Ukraine for 2021 Rik, the whole sum is to blame for UAH 267,1291 billion, which will become 5,93% of GDP.

          From the bottom to the Ministry of Defense:
          The Ministry of Defense, rented out UAH 117,504 702 billion.


          In the open part, only through the Ministry of Defense, UAH 22,7 billion was announced this year:
          Development, procurement, modernization and repair of equipment, new technology, adding and possession 22 742 438,5

          One corvette costs UAH 8 billion under a framework agreement, and the total package of documents signed in December with Turkey exceeds $ 1 billion (about UAH 30 billion). But this is not for one year of implementation and financing.

          Also, it does not take into account special financing, credit programs to support Ukraine, etc. In reality, they have 1 yard + dollars a year for purchases, and sometimes up to 1,5.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 27 January 2021 11: 42
            +1
            Quote: donavi49
            Did they tell you on TV?

            A little at once that, so "TV"? ...

            On the fig TV if u "with the naked eye"a colossal gulf is visible not only between the Ukrainian SSR in terms of industrial capabilities, but also between the" pre-maid "Outskirts and the rogue of 2021 ...

            Or was it "TV" that gave birth to rusty shipyards there?

            They messed up everything - "Solovyov-Skabeeva-Simonyan-Kiselev"?
          2. Rubi0
            Rubi0 27 January 2021 11: 52
            +2
            And this despite the fact that in a pandemic they cut the budget for medicine by 10 billion, social services by 3 billion, but the military budget has been financed to a penny and also increased. So neither the national debt, not a pandemic, not a naked priest is not a hindrance if the goal is to fight to the last citizen.
          3. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 27 January 2021 12: 07
            0
            Do you really understand where the money from the ukrobudget goes to arms? Half of the money is stolen, kickbacks are up to 70%, weapons are supplied older, and if they buy imports, then after a few years it turns into scrap metal due to the lack of spare parts. To buy a corvette is nonsense, you still need to maintain a team, fuel, weapons (imported), a place of deployment, repairs. If you want to harm the country: donate an aircraft carrier, you want to ruin Ukraine, donate imported weapons.
          4. Quadro
            Quadro 27 January 2021 12: 33
            +3
            Quote: donavi49
            Did they tell you on TV? Immediately after they freeze in winter - well, or next winter.

            For this year, they have almost 6% of GDP for the power block (10 billion well, a little less, how much is there a rate of 28?):
            According to the project of the Sovereign Budget of Ukraine for 2021 Rik, the whole sum is to blame for UAH 267,1291 billion, which will become 5,93% of GDP.

            From the bottom to the Ministry of Defense:
            The Ministry of Defense, rented out UAH 117,504 702 billion.


            In the open part, only through the Ministry of Defense, UAH 22,7 billion was announced this year:
            Development, procurement, modernization and repair of equipment, new technology, adding and possession 22 742 438,5

            One corvette costs UAH 8 billion under a framework agreement, and the total package of documents signed in December with Turkey exceeds $ 1 billion (about UAH 30 billion). But this is not for one year of implementation and financing.

            Also, it does not take into account special financing, credit programs to support Ukraine, etc. In reality, they have 1 yard + dollars a year for purchases, and sometimes up to 1,5.

            Stop writing fairy tales. The budget of Ukraine is 4 lard, taking into account the exchange rate, do you think that this is 4 lard of income? And who will pay the soldiers? And what about fuels and lubricants and spare parts for equipment? And what about kickbacks to higher ranks? And what about training? They have a very large army, there is no need to talk about 1 lard "extra", they have a black hole budget and they talk about it themselves, but as always, a frame appears on VO with arguments that they have nowhere to put money there.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 27 January 2021 13: 02
              +1
              Well, I presented an excerpt from the adopted budget (open part). And what $ 4 billion? Are you stuck there in 96? They have a profitable part of UAH 1 trillion + laid down at the rate (28-29).

              Feed the army here:
              ZSU security, personnel training and health care, medical security of a special warehouse, veterans of the military service and members of the family, veterans of the military 89 453 536,8


              UAH 22,7 lard for 2021 is procurement, modernization, medium and overhaul. Excluding credit programs, assistance and also various agreements, loans, etc.

              For example, the first 6 boats on the FMS line are built at the expense of money allocated by the United States free of charge (but with the condition of loading American enterprises).
              According to later reports from Ukrainian sources, the first six of these Mk VI patrol boats will be supplied to Ukraine on account of US military aid, and the remaining ten will have to be paid for by Ukraine from its own resources.



              At the same time, Avakov's helicopters and all sorts of buns for the National Guard are on the budget of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

              And another 150 billion goes to traditional roads (Ze's priority project)
              The "Big Construction" program (development of road infrastructure) - UAH 150 billion. That is, 20,7 billion more than in the previous year.

              State budget revenues foreseen at the level of 1,092 trillion hryvnia.
              Costs will amount to 1,328 trillion hryvnia.
              10 lard dollars / euros want to borrow or sell property.
              1. Alex Justice
                Alex Justice 28 January 2021 10: 37
                0
                The bridge in the photo is not beautiful, it is somehow chopped off.
          5. Brturin
            Brturin 27 January 2021 13: 04
            0
            Quote: donavi49
            Also, it does not take into account special financing, credit programs to support Ukraine, etc.

            Loans, of course, but they have to be given or ... In 2020, the state debt of Ukraine increased by UAH 553,64 billion (by 27,7%) or by $ 5,89 billion (almost 7%). And from this year, payments on GDP-warrants named after Yaresko are starting ...
    8. Finches
      Finches 27 January 2021 11: 07
      -5
      Money in the morning, chairs in the evening ... A helicopter in the evening, a corvette in the morning! laughing
    9. Stas Sv
      Stas Sv 27 January 2021 11: 14
      -3
      That no one will build anything. It's my pleasure.

      Well, about the turntables - farm laborers in Poland will work and then buy PZL W-3 Sokół for their deductions and will be proud))), but I forgot to add - they say it was made in Ukraine)))
    10. svp67
      svp67 27 January 2021 14: 17
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Only who will build them and when, these corvettes.

      Turks, one at their shipyard, the rest at the Ukrainian.
    11. Romanenko
      Romanenko 29 January 2021 08: 13
      0
      Yes, let the fool have fun with the thought of wealth
  2. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 January 2021 10: 47
    +1
    Why should we develop a "two"? It's time for this hard worker to rest. Deserved. It's funny though. Just like a ditty of the civil times "English uniform, Japanese tobacco ...". Turkish corvette, Soviet apparatus ... winked You dumped a noble fool with your "European integration" neighbors.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 27 January 2021 10: 52
      +2
      As far as I understand, the Poles have documentation and accessories. So they can do it. Mi2 was produced in Poland.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 27 January 2021 10: 53
        0
        Why, he's already old.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 27 January 2021 11: 02
          0
          So for 50 years only new electronics have been invented. The rest, in general, has changed little, will only affect the overall monetary efficiency.
    2. svp67
      svp67 27 January 2021 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      Why should we develop a "two"?

      It was produced in Poland in Soviet times, and now it is easier for Ukraine to agree on obtaining the necessary components and technologies, and there are a lot of old Mi-2s on the territory of Ukraine, in the so-called "conservation".
  3. yehat2
    yehat2 27 January 2021 10: 49
    +1
    land of absurdity
  4. Maki maki
    Maki maki 27 January 2021 10: 51
    +21
    It would be easier for us to develop a deck helicopter too. And then the Ka-27/29 weigh up to 12 tons. Engines are needed.
    1. dauria
      dauria 27 January 2021 11: 21
      0
      It would be easier for us to develop a deck helicopter too. And then the Ka-27/29 weigh up to 12 tons

      Bombs, radar, buoys, airborne transport option. It is not for the governor to fly over the city to look at garbage dumps or to ride a woman. There, both a radius and a combat load of at least a couple of tons are needed.
      For a long time already all armies have decided on the size - more than 11 tons. Even the Apache is too small by today's standards.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 27 January 2021 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        Even the Apache is too small by today's standards.

        What, AN-64? He's shock, not ship No. request
        It has no internal compartments for accommodating buoys or submarines, just like for carrying out search and rescue operations ...
    2. Guru
      Guru 27 January 2021 11: 59
      0
      It would be easier for us to develop a deck helicopter too. And then the Ka-27/29 weigh up to 12 tons. Engines are needed.

      So there is already a KA-226T, but with engines yes Problem is now the French are putting it with Turbomeca Arrius 2G1 engines and a new gearbox, well, let's hope that they will get their hands on KA 226.The helicopter has the ability to install an external additional fuel tank, winches , external cargo suspension, searchlight. To carry out medical evacuation work, a medical module is installed in the transport cabin of the helicopter. The installation of a system for folding the rotor blades is provided.
  5. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 27 January 2021 10: 51
    -1
    Of course, the HB blades can be folded, but what to do with the tail boom, horses?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 27 January 2021 10: 53
      0
      laughing Twist with a small ball.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 January 2021 11: 05
        -3
        Quote: Captive
        Twist with a small ball.

        Bagel like dogs laughing
    2. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 27 January 2021 11: 03
      0
      Why put it there? Do the Turks at least have a hangar?
  6. Andrea
    Andrea 27 January 2021 11: 01
    -2
    So the scoop and climbs out of the decommunized pro-NATO tseeropeitsiv .. From all the cracks.
    Was the Apache weak? Or GDP is not enough to pay for plagiarism?
  7. Stepan S
    Stepan S 27 January 2021 11: 07
    0
    This year there is simply an abundance of news from Ukraine about their successes, opportunities and achievements. There will be no corvette, no helicopter.
  8. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 27 January 2021 11: 11
    -1
    I'm going to die laughing now. Mi2 in the 21st century is super. And where are the corvettes?
  9. dgonni
    dgonni 27 January 2021 11: 12
    -1
    This is a cut. That's what I understand
  10. askort154
    askort154 27 January 2021 11: 13
    -2
    ..... as an alternative, they offer to purchase specialized helicopters of western production or arm UAV corvettes.

    The stupid thinker gets rich. Aggregate public debt of Ukraine - 90, 26 billion. dlr. In 2020 alone, it grew by 6,98%. The law on the sale of land was adopted, now they are putting up their fields for sale, hoping to gain 10 billion dollars for them.
  11. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 27 January 2021 11: 20
    0
    What such a helicopter, a selyuksich tourist could not make a normal burner, except that the mi-2 will be found in the trash and repainted lol
  12. Avior
    Avior 27 January 2021 11: 36
    -1
    Over the past ten years, Boguslaev has created a separate helicopter center at Motor.
    There are repairs, remotorization with deep modernization of Polish Mi2 and Soviet Mi8 helicopters, its own design bureau, a training center with training complexes, literally, the production of modern composite blades for helicopters has just started.
    Well, of course, the possibilities of Motor Sich and Progress in the production, repair, modernization, development of helicopter engines.
    By the way, it was originally planned to create this helicopter center in Belarus, but thanks to the efforts of the wise ruler Lukashenka, the idea failed miserably, depriving Belarus of high-tech production.
    Incidentally, I don’t see a big problem in equipping the upgraded Mi-2 with light missile systems.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 27 January 2021 11: 55
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      Incidentally, I don’t see a big problem in equipping the upgraded Mi-2 with light missile systems.

      Why is the Mi-2, in the deck version of the ATGM belay ? This way you want to build up the "mits" of your imaginary corvettes belay belay belay ?

      That's not how it's done, silly ...


      And in general, everything should start with order in the heads, and your brain is liquefied to a jelly-like state, from racing ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 January 2021 12: 46
        -1
        Why is the Mi-2, in the deck version of the ATGM

        as a patrol helicopter. He cannot fight cruisers, this is obvious, but with small ships and vessels, it is. Hussein's fleet was knocked out by deck-based helicopters, if you're not aware.
        There is no helicopter for 22800, not provided at all. As well as means of PLO. Why did you slap the picture inappropriately - do you understand yourself?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 27 January 2021 16: 33
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          Hussein's fleet has been knocked out by deck-based helicopters, if you're not aware.

          Actually, you yourself are aware that if Saddam's fleet was hit with helicopters, then not single ones from corvettes, but massively taking off from aircraft carriers.
          Or are you dreaming of a peremog, have the aircraft carriers already anticipated?

          Quote: Avior
          There is no helicopter for 22800, not provided at all. As well as means of PLO. Why did you slap the picture inappropriately - do you understand yourself?


          The fact that there is no helicopter is natural, this is an MRK - a boat, not a corvette. But the boat, with the power of "Calibers" , which you in Banderostan dream of "finishing off" the ATGM on the only helicopter.

          Smart! yes terribly lol
          1. Avior
            Avior 27 January 2021 16: 48
            -2
            ... Actually, you yourself are aware that if "Saddam's fleet" was hit by helicopters, then not single ones from corvettes, but massively taking off from aircraft carriers.

            Specifically ship-based helicopters, and not carrier-based from aircraft carriers
            And not only American
            Aircraft carriers had their own missions
            Would you write about things that you have a vague idea of hi
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 27 January 2021 20: 22
          0
          Quote: Avior
          ... Hussein's fleet
          I can only recommend reading the article on VO "History of the Iraqi Navy".
          In this context, "History of the Iraqi Navy", part 3 of 9.10.2014 ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 27 January 2021 20: 34
            -3
            is there anything that contradicts what I wrote?
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 27 January 2021 20: 53
              0
              It's just that many do not know what it is "Hussein's fleet"... The article says that "Hussein's fleet" destroyed - strikes by AVIATION and anti-ship missiles and even 406mm guns of the Wisconsin battleship of the Iowa class... In the "defense" of the Iraqi Navy - most of all "damage" was inflicted on the enemy SEA MINES exhibited in amphibious areas. On the "combat account of mines" - helicopter carrier "Tripoli" (LPH-10), cruiser URO "Princeton" (CG-59), they were not sunk, but were damaged and forced to leave for repairs.
              1. Avior
                Avior 27 January 2021 21: 10
                -2
                As you can imagine, 406mm guns of the Iowa-class battleship "Wisconsin" shoot at boats and small ships only under very random circumstances. I remember that in the movies such a battleship with a gunner-cook, a citizen of Russia, which is typical, with the help of a girl from a cake even fired at a submarine, and hit, which is typical. But this is not a typical use of the main caliber in general and battleships in particular.
                But I was not going to repeat this whole story.
                I was just illustrating the functions of the helicopters.
                The picture shows a helicopter (aviation, if anything) launches a rocket (pkr, if anything).
                hi
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 27 January 2021 23: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  As you can imagine, 406mm guns of the Iowa-class battleship "Wisconsin" shoot at boats and small ships only in very random circumstances. I remember that in the movies such a battleship with a gunner-cook, a citizen of Russia, which is typical, with the help of a girl from a cake even fired at a submarine, and hit, which is typical ..
                  hi
                  In fairness ...
                  The battleship Missouri (BB-63) took part in the fighting in the Persian Gulf, and used main caliber... Written off to reserve on March 31, 1992 until 1995. In 1998 it became a museum ship. In the 1992 film Siege, Missouri fired a 127mm cannon. hi
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 28 January 2021 00: 34
                    -4
                    The main caliber was fired by a Russian cook. Russians don't waste their time on trifles. smile

                    see from 1.22.30
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr1-MWCXj_s
                    1. cat Rusich
                      cat Rusich 28 January 2021 18: 52
                      0
                      Thanks for the filmmaking lesson. For a long time "Under Siege" had not been shown on TV, so I forgot it. hi
  13. Guru
    Guru 27 January 2021 11: 48
    -1
    The publication itself admits that it is "rather difficult" to create an anti-ship version of the helicopter based on the Mi-2
    Per ton of carrying capacity? laughing Of course difficult.
  14. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 27 January 2021 11: 49
    0
    But I don't see anything funny.
    MI2 from Poland to Ukraine has already been localized, but in principle there is nothing particularly high technology in the building. They have been making engines for them all their lives, they have already mastered the gearbox and blades, they can buy avionics, they are not under sanctions. The only question is financing.
    Although, of course, it is too small for such tasks. Maybe screw a couple of Neptunes.
    Again, they are well aware that they will not have to fight seriously, and that they will be enough for a neighbor's disgust.
    And then you look, and the Africans / Latinos will be able to get in.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 27 January 2021 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Unless a couple of Neptunes will be screwed.

      Ku-oo-oo-yes? On Mi-2, "RCC - Neptune"? belay It is the size of an Mi-2 ...

      The corvette itself would not be drowned by loading a pair of these missiles ...

      1. Guru
        Guru 27 January 2021 12: 39
        0
        The corvette itself would not be drowned by loading a pair of these missiles ...

        Thats exactly what I mean laughing lol
    2. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 27 January 2021 12: 22
      -2
      Mi-2, a little BU, it is not difficult to find, you still have to find the paint, but this is a scarce product, it is not enough for fences and benches. And with the corvette, too, not everything is so simple, there is an example of a sahaidachny one, on which the engines were "repaired" and now it stands at the wall.
      In principle, the idea is good, but it is not clear why they need corvettes, one unfinished cruiser is not enough?
  15. ZVS
    ZVS 27 January 2021 11: 58
    +1
    Zvinyaite, uncle, and the Ukrainians have corvettes? laughing laughing
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 27 January 2021 12: 13
      -1
      Quote: SU
      Zvinyaite, uncle, and the Ukrainians have corvettes?

      not yet
      But if they are convincing in demonstrating themselves to sponsors as AntiRussia, they will appear.
      1. ZVS
        ZVS 27 January 2021 14: 34
        -1
        And who will give them money for them? The IMF sent Ukraine to x_er, other countries will not give it either - the economy is falling for the second year. Can they trade for lard? Di salo is also now imported from Poland. ))) Poverty Okrinnaya will soon exchange fat for wide trousers.
  16. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 27 January 2021 12: 19
    -2
    They will be removed from conservation, repainted, here's a new old Mi-2)))
  17. Constanty
    Constanty 27 January 2021 12: 58
    +2
    In its time as the Mi-2 was a very popular helicopter, it was mass-produced in an amount of more than 5 copies in Poland - at WSK Mielec based on Soviet documentation. Unfortunately, his time has passed.

    Attempts to make a new helicopter out of it, also a ship forced to work in extremely unfavorable conditions for construction, in my opinion, is another example showing how catastrophic Ukrainian industry turned out to be in the days of the USSR, which in the end was a power. ...

    There were many attempts to modernize the Mi-2, including the Polish PZL "Kania", but not without reason in the USSR at the end of the 1970s it was decided to replace it with a new design, which, by agreement between the USSR and Poland, was to become W -3.Sokół.
  18. Alien From
    Alien From 27 January 2021 13: 33
    0
    Painfully MI 2 reminds)
  19. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 27 January 2021 18: 56
    -1
    so etozh Mi-2 damn
  20. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 27 January 2021 20: 16
    -1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Torvlobnor IV
    In the sense that the helicopter does not need to be designed, it is already ready and entered into service 5 years ago (unarmed version).

    Mi-2MSB is the already built Mi-2. re-engineered and modernized avionics. This is not a new car, but an inherited modernization. That is, the available documentation concerns only engines, gearbox and avionics.
    The problem is that the Mi-2MSB (like the original Mi-2) is a land helicopter. If you put it on the deck in its existing form, then problems with corrosion will immediately begin, with the safety of flights over the sea (including the safety of the crew during an emergency landing on water), with volumes for accommodating additional equipment, etc. And their solution will require redesigning the helicopter fuselage, which has not been done before. And in the end, most likely, and the manufacture of a new fuselage.
    Otherwise, the Ukrainian Navy will receive a beautiful, useless, short-lived and dangerous toy for the crews at the price of a full-fledged PLO helicopter. smile

    plus folding blades bully
  21. lopvlad
    lopvlad 27 January 2021 21: 57
    0
    The helicopter will be developed by Motor Sich, the Mi-2 is considered as the base model.


    Since 2014, they have continued to be sick with the idea of ​​creating a new helicopter for the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the basis of MI-2, and it all ended in nothing. Now they switched to the Ukrainian Navy with the same zealous idea and in order to cut the dough.
  22. realmadmaxx
    realmadmaxx 28 January 2021 08: 38
    0
    but this does not exist ... wassat
  23. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 28 January 2021 18: 04
    0
    It remains to find where to take off from.
    If it takes off from the shore, it will not be "shipborne" by definition.
  24. Evil 55
    Evil 55 29 January 2021 02: 44
    0
    Well, the helicopter is 60 years old ... How long can you torture him.