Short-range air defense system "Tor-M2" will become an interspecific anti-aircraft complex

The Tor-M2 short-range anti-aircraft missile system will become interspecific, and a shipborne version of the complex will be added to the SAM line. Fanil Ziyatdinov, General Director of the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol, told about this in an interview with the National Defense magazine.

According to the general director, since its adoption in 1986, the Tor air defense system has undergone three waves of deep modernization. To date, work on the complex does not stop, the air defense system is transferred to a modern element base, new versions are being created. In particular, the complex will receive a new wheeled floating chassis, a ship version will also appear, that is, the Tor air defense system will become interspecific.

(...) work is underway to modernize both the complex as a whole and its key components and devices. More advanced phased array antennas, passive detectors, and calculators are being developed. (...) the range of data retransmission from the battery command post has been doubled, the possibility of visual notification of the combat vehicle operator about the approach of targets from a distance of up to 90 kilometers has been provided, a number of other tasks have been solved

- said Ziyatdinov.

Anti-aircraft missile system "Tor-M2" is an all-weather close combat system. It is capable of covering strategic targets from cruise missiles, multiple rocket launchers, as well as loitering ammunition and drones. This is a deeply modernized complex of the Tor family, which differs from previous models by the use of a new 9M338K missile. In addition, the ammunition load on the combat vehicle has been increased from 8 to 16 missiles. It is possible to work in fully automatic mode.

In 2019, the Ministry of Defense signed a long-term contract with the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol for the supply of Tor-M2 and Tor-M2DT anti-aircraft missile systems to the troops. The agreement, worth almost 100 billion rubles, is designed for the supply of equipment until 2027.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Great news, how much weight will the naval version have, I wonder?

[Dodikson]

actually, the navy has always had a version of Thor, the emnip dagger was called.
so xs what kind of missile did they mean

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Dodikson

version of Thor, Emnip Dagger was called.
so xs what kind of missile did they mean

The missile is a missile, but the Dagger's launcher is heavy and cumbersome.

[venik]

Quote: Dodikson

yes, in general, the fleet always had a version of Thor, emnip Dagger was called

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Actually, "Dagger" and "Thor" are different complexes, although the "Dagger" was created on the basis of the "Thor" and has similar characteristics, but calling it "Thor" is somehow not a camilfo: the systems are still very different, although they use the same missiles and have similar performance characteristics.

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

how much weight will the naval version have, I wonder?

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In the version that was tested on ships

Maximum weight 15 tons.

[Vladimir_2U]

A bit heavy, but if the PU with the system is pulled apart, then maybe nothing. THX.

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

A bit heavy, but if the PU with the system is pulled apart, then maybe nothing. THX.

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And you add to this that this is a completely AUTONOMOUS module, including incl. non-generator with a fuel supply, a detection station (data can also be obtained from a ship's surveillance radar, etc. ... I think about 10 tons will work out if you pull it apart into blocks and use it as component ship armament, using the ship's BIUS .... In general, something very little!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venik

I think that somewhere around 10 tons it will turn out if you pull it apart into blocks and use it as a component of ship armament

I am more concerned not with the total weight, but with the maximum weight of an individual block with PU, if at all they will pull it apart.

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

I am more concerned not with the total weight, but with the maximum weight of an individual block with PU, if at all they will pull it apart.

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The mass of the TPK with 4 9M331 missiles and ejection devices is 936 kg. The data on the TPK for 8 9M338K missiles is not exactly known, but given the smaller dimensions (and therefore the weight) of the 9M338K, it can be assumed that the 1x8 TPK (with personal belongings) should weigh about 1 - 000 kg. Somewhere like this ...

[Volkof]

To use new advanced weapons within the outdated concept of an "interspecific anti-aircraft complex", which does not correspond to the realities of modern warfare ?! The author of the article titled it very badly! Man considers the use of the latest advanced weapons based on outdated views. This is from the category of innovations in the form of "UAV regiments", "interspecific reconnaissance and strike complexes", etc., etc. ? It's clear where the wind is blowing!
And since when does the director of the plant determine the tactics of warfare instead of the General Staff?

[Victor_B]

Thor is a very good car!
And it is constantly finishing.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Victor_B

Thor is a very good car!
And it is constantly finishing.

Yes! There was recently a message about the development of a "small-caliber" airplane to combat UAVs ... Maybe after a while they will take up the adaptation of the 9M100 airplane with the seeker to the "Tor" complex ...

[venik]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There was recently a message about the development of a "small-caliber" missile to combat UAVs ... Maybe after a while they will start adapting the 9M100 missile launcher with a seeker to the "Tor" complex ...

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It makes no sense: the advantage of the "Torah" is the radio command control system. Such a system greatly simplifies and reduces the cost of the rocket, while the probability of defeat is no less high!
Small-caliber missiles are for intercepting any low-speed petty punks (like quadcopters and homemade drones), as an even cheaper option for intercepting .....

[Alex777]

It makes no sense: the advantage of the "Torah" is the radio command control system. Such a system greatly simplifies and reduces the cost of the rocket.

And it leads to a limit on the number of targets fired at the same time.
IR GOS relieves of such restrictions. If it is.
For example, how it is implemented in C Ceptor.
The cheapness of the rocket in the navy is not as important as in the ground forces. IMHO.
I have not heard that on 9M100 IR seeker appeared. Although initially it was announced.

[ccsr]

Quote: Alex777

The cheapness of the rocket in the navy is not as important as in the ground forces. IMHO.

This is natural given the cost of the entire ship.
But here's what I would like to draw your attention to - the two landing ships that are being built on the "Zaliv" are equal to the cost of the entire order for new air defense systems. I would like to ask a provocative question to our naval forces: what is more important for ships and for the entire fleet - reliable air defense, albeit in the near zone, or a couple of landing ships with questionable use of them in peacetime. I just want to understand the logic of naval priorities, especially given the limited budget.

[venik]

Quote: Alex777

IR GOS relieves of such restrictions.

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With a vertical launch at a distance of ~ 15 km and more, it relieves, but not quite... Firstly: the rocket should start, then turn around and lie on a combat course, then the target should be captured by the seeker (which usually occurs at distances less than 15 km), but after that you can do another target ... much less time than for a "pure radio command system" ..... BUT! If the target is low-contrast, actively maneuvers and uses interference, then the IR seeker itself can guarantee a relatively low (typical for other MANPADS with IR seeker) the probability of defeat: 0,6 - 0,8 (which is much less than that of "Thor "- 0,85 - 0). And what is better here?

[Alex777]

For example, when the F-18 unit launched 28 HARMs on your ship, the GOS gives at least some chance.
To determine which is better, you need to decide: which raid are we fighting off? IMHO.

[Cympak]

It is desirable to have a combination of ARGSN and RK guided missiles on the ship. ARGSN provides multichannel targeting, RK accurate defeat of the selected target.
Well, it is also important that the missiles are launched from one TLU. The Navy needs to insist on this and prevent another VPU from being dragged into the ships by slips.

[NDR-791]

In particular, the complex will receive new wheel floating chassis
Like the BAZ chassis. Is this a hint for some mustachioed ???

[dvina71]

With a live 9m100 ... Thor has only one perspective in the fleet ... use in the modernization of Soviet-built ships ..

[Cympak]

But no one has ever seen a live 9M100, 9M96 is being fired from the "Redut"