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Post-war myths about Stalin

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During his lifetime, Joseph Stalin was adored and hated, respected and feared. There is nothing surprising in the fact that numerous myths about the personality of the Soviet leader and his activities have appeared, and a significant part of these myths took shape already in the post-war era. Stalin died eight years after the Great Victory, and it was his death that served as the starting point not so much for the formation of myths as for their active dissemination. So, about the post-war myths.


As they would say now, Nikita Khrushchev was the frontman of de-Stalinization in the post-Stalinist Union. It is clear that he was not the only one who sought to make adjustments to the attitude of the people towards Joseph Stalin, but it was he who was destined to be the first to officially speak about the personality cult of the Soviet leader.

However, Winston Churchill, who cannot be suspected of sympathy for the Soviet Union, Stalin and communism, said a rather interesting phrase:

Khrushchev is the only politician in stories of humanity who has declared war on the dead. But not only that - he managed to lose it.

As for the myths about Stalin, they were invented and cultivated on both sides of the ideological barricades: the Stalinists did not deify the leader for little, the anti-Stalinists demonized both Stalin and his inner circle.

War and repression


One of the most important myths designed to blacken the figure of Stalin was the myth that Stalin during the Great Patriotic War not only did not contribute to the approach of victory, but also in every possible way prevented talented commanders with his repressions and erroneous decisions. Stalin was accused of the fact that political repression, including the purge of the command of the Red Army in the late 1930s, led to the defeat of the Soviet troops at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War.

Almost all Soviet military leaders repressed in the 1930s, with the exception of high-ranking officials of the OGPU-NKVD system, were posthumously rehabilitated under Khrushchev. At the same time, no one really delved into whether there was real fault behind them or not. It is clear that there were also innocent convicts, but one cannot deny the fact that in the Soviet military, party and economic elite there were both Stalin's enemies and simply corrupt officials or agents of enemy influence. Fighting them in a mobilization society could only be done with tough methods.

GULAG and the fight against crime


Another myth is that political prisoners prevailed in Stalin's camps. In fact, among the Soviet citizens who passed through the camps, political prisoners constituted a small part - according to various estimates, no more than 20 percent.

Most of the prisoners were criminals and the so-called "household workers" - Soviet inhabitants, who were convicted of domestic crimes - from stealing grain from collective farms to drunken fights. Another thing is that, in pursuit of a frightening effect, the Soviet courts gave prison terms completely incomparable with the real scale of the convict's guilt: 7 years for stealing collective farm property. It seems like overkill today. But then, this approach allowed to establish order in the country.

On the other hand, Stalin's supporters spread a mirror myth - that thanks to tough measures, Stalin managed to defeat crime. Failed. Moreover, the Soviet underworld, the laws and orders of which still define the face of the modern criminal world, was formed precisely in the 1920s - 1950s.

The crime rate in the USSR remained high, and especially increased just after the war. That there are only well-armed gangs that traded in Soviet cities with robberies and robberies ... The level of domestic and street crime was also high. The authorities tried to fight this, and acted toughly, hence the grievances for "bending over" with the terms for the "torn spikelet".


Modern supporters of Stalin. And not just anywhere, but in Great Britain itself ...


Was Stalin an anti-Semite


Another myth is about Stalin's anti-Semitism. Naturally, Stalin was not and could not be a convinced anti-Semite. All his youth passed under the banner of Marxism, he was always surrounded by a large number of persons of Jewish nationality, whose lack in the Bolshevik Party was not felt. One of Stalin's closest and loyal associates was Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich.

Another thing is that Stalin's attitude towards the Jews became more wary in connection with their active role in the Trotskyist wing of the world communist movement. But at the same time, Stalin made a huge contribution to the very appearance of the state of Israel on the world map. True, then the fact of Israel's existence did not play a very good service for Soviet Jews: after all, any of them could claim to leave the country, which means that they became a potential object of suspicion that sooner or later he would want to leave the Soviet Union.

In general, a detailed analysis of the myths about Stalin is a very large and serious task. The most interesting thing is that in the modern media space they are trying to solve it from two sides at once - both the liberals, who hate Stalin, and the left-wing patriots, for whom he remains one of the key figures in the history of the state. Both, I must say, make many mistakes and exaggerations, which only harm a sober assessment of the contribution of this extraordinary person and, no doubt, a great statesman to the history of our country.
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  1. Cron
    Cron 27 January 2021 17: 11
    +8
    The question was: why is Stalin treated this way? In general, Russia is an amazing country. There is not a single country in the world that loves to trample its history in history, throw mud at it, wipe its feet on it. You do not have a single ruler in your history, whom you did not slander, did not deceive, did not blame for all sins, did not demonize - nobody! The Jews don't even have it. - Jacob Kedmi
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 27 January 2021 17: 17
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      Yakov Kedmi knows better what is in Russia and how ...
      1. Cron
        Cron 27 January 2021 17: 22
        +1
        Quote: Doccor18
        Yakov Kedmi knows better what is in Russia and how ...

        To express your opinion on this issue, do you have to be in Russia and be a citizen of it?
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 27 January 2021 17: 27
          -8
          Quote: Cron
          Quote: Doccor18
          Yakov Kedmi knows better what is in Russia and how ...

          To express your opinion on this issue, do you have to be in Russia and be a citizen of it?

          Let him keep his opinion “about pouring mud and wiping his feet”. They are extremely unpleasant for me, a citizen of this country.
          1. Cron
            Cron 27 January 2021 17: 31
            +6
            Quote: Doccor18
            Let him keep his opinion “about pouring mud and wiping his feet”. They are extremely unpleasant for me, a citizen of this country.

            Well, you never know what is unpleasant for you, and this is completely your right, but also it is the right of another person to express his opinion on this issue, to express it as he sees it.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 27 January 2021 18: 58
              +14
              Quote: Cron
              and the right of another person to express his opinion on a given issue, to express it as he sees it.

              Yes Yakov Kedmi is more Russian than many in the Duma, he is not burdened by political struggle and says what he thinks, unlike, for example, our politicians in the Duma or the government.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 27 January 2021 19: 37
                +11
                Quote: aybolyt678
                yes Yakov Kedmi is more Russian than many in the Duma,

                He is one of the few really worthwhile experts. And his opinion is always distinguished by its truthfulness without any bows towards "partners"
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 27 January 2021 21: 19
                  +20
                  Joseph Vissarionovich was a man. And, like every person, he also had mistakes. Only in small people sometimes big mistakes are not visible, and in large people small ones are visible, and in outstanding people even the smallest ones are visible. But if on the scales of Osiris to weigh everything done by Stalin, then positive will clearly outweigh.

                  Stalin is an outstanding figure world history, which, being the leader of the Soviet state, not only did a lot of good for the USSR and the Soviet people, but also for the whole world, left an indelible mark on world history. Such that the enemies still fiercely hate him, the USSR and are at war with them.

                  When Stalin died, we lived in Vladivostok. I remember well the March day of his funeral. At noon the horns of factories, ships and ships blared. The men were petrified, and the women were crying. Nobody forced anyone. The grief was sincere.
              2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 January 2021 23: 15
                -10%
                Quote: aybolyt678
                he is not burdened by political struggles and says what he thinks

                The grandfather, released in circulation, quite comfortably settled down at the Russian propaganda trough. There seems to be enough for a kosher caviar sandwich. For a greater weight, the Satanic Shapiros (Solovievs) present him as "the head of the Israeli special service." It has a hypnotic effect on the plebs - in the mind of the man in the street, he is almost the head of the Mossad. laughing
                The local guys from the Promised, I think, have a very low opinion of this character, on which on Vesti FM radio and the first channel they pulled the image of an oracle and a seer.
            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 27 January 2021 19: 00
              +13
              The simple SOVIET people, on the whole, highly appreciated, loved and respected Stalin, especially after the Second World War!
              When Stalin died, the Soviet people sincerely cried and worried that their leader was gone and that he had no equal in the country who could replace him.

              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 27 January 2021 19: 04
                +11
                The West also respected Stalin !!

                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 27 January 2021 19: 11
                  +22
                  The Soviet people were proud of Stalin!

                  For example, a great joke about Stalin.

                  At the Tehran Conference, Roosevelt and Churchill were tired that only Stalin’s proposals were being passed and that he was dictating his will to them. And they decided to play Stalin.
                  In the morning before the next meeting, Churchill said:
                  - Today I had a dream that I became the Master of the World!
                  - And I dreamed, - said Roosevelt, - that I have become the Master of the Universe! What was your dream, Marshal Stalin?
                  - And I dreamed - Stalin replied unhurriedly, - that I have not approved either you, Mr. Churchill, or you, Mr. Roosevelt.
                2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 January 2021 19: 51
                  -1
                  And can you make a reference to the corresponding phrase in Churchill's memoirs? Thank you in advance.
                3. Professor
                  Professor 27 January 2021 20: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  The West also respected Stalin !!


                  Can you link to the source of these lines in Churchill's memoirs?
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                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 27 January 2021 22: 05
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                    Quote: stepet
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    The West also respected Stalin !!
                    Where did it come from?
                    Yes, Dzhugashvili was useful to the West.
                    Therefore, we talked to him.
                    And as he became useless, they stopped communicating.
                    But the deliriousness of the picture is off scale.
                    Roosevelt, it turns out, did not know that he was paralyzed.
                    Therefore, it turns out, seeing the pockmarked and dry-handed Dzhugashvili even tried to get up! Paralyzed!
                    How can you relate to such delirium?

                    You liberals, who have forgotten and do not know history, have completely mastered!
                    As they say, a bullet in the eye to the unbeliever Androp!

                    This is what Churchill said about Stalin in the British Parliament on December 21, 1959 - this was when Stalin had already been dead for 6 years!

                    67 years since the death of J.V. Stalin. Churchill on Stalin .. • 6 Mar. 2020
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                    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 January 2021 23: 34
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      This is what Churchill said about Stalin in the British Parliament on December 21, 1959 - this was when Stalin had already been dead for 6 years!

                      Stop lying, in front of any House of Lords Dec 21. 1959 Churchill did not speak. And in general, you have to be completely idiotic to assume that upper house of British Parliament will arrange solemn gatherings on the occasion of the anniversary of Comrade Stalin. Biographers of Churchill, dear, painted every year of his career literally by day and by hour. There were no solemn speeches that day. That's it, the question is closed.
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      You liberals who have forgotten and do not know history,

                      Less foam, dear. Not only do you not know history, but you do not strive to learn. So it's not for you to talk about it.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 28 January 2021 00: 05
                        +3
                        Have you read Yuri Krupnov's comments on this matter? So Krupnov did not take into account that printed information is historically purged and disappears from circulation for opportunistic political reasons, just as digital information on the Internet is now politically purged (switched off).
                        In the same way, the historical annals were copied many times with the destruction of old books.
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 08: 57
                        -6
                        Brilliant! That is, passionary butts can compose any unsubstantiated game, and the lack of evidence explains that, they say, the enemies cleaned out, rewrote history, but in fact everything was like this ... And immediately take a pose of virtue offended by distrust. Well, all those who have doubted to write in the liberals and other apatriotic rabble.
                        This is already a religious ascetic, respected, not history. And the main myth-makers here are people like you. Poor Polonsky, he got in touch with religious fvnatics.
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 28 January 2021 14: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Brilliant! That is, passionary butts can compose any unsubstantiated game, and the lack of evidence explains that, they say, the enemies cleaned out, rewrote history, but in fact everything was like this ... And immediately take a pose of virtue offended by distrust. Well, all those who have doubted to write in the liberals and other apatriotic rabble.
                        Why are you indignant? What's wrong?
                        Here you are first prove that the liberals are not political scum, and Stalin is not a political STAR of the 1st magnitude of that time! So that the "believers", as you say, can think differently.
                        And that the HISTORIANS themselves, as such, in their overwhelming majority are not the same "passionary ass", as you put it! That historians are never opportunistically corrupt to the current government!
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        This is already a religious ascetic, respected, not history.
                        It's not the same for everybody. Only whose cow would bellow about this, but not from the side of liberal historians! They are head over heels in their propaganda historical lies.
                        Yes, and you do not have to be offended. Judging by your statements about the passionarity of all sorts of "ass", you are also a historian NO! You forget that documents may not reflect everything that was said and actually happened.

                        Yalta Conference: Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill ... • 1 Feb. 2015 year
              2. nedgen
                nedgen 27 January 2021 22: 13
                +4
                Do not think about Roosevelt's paralysis. He had had polio myelitis and was partially paralyzed. Not completely. And he could even get to his feet, though with great difficulty. Although he could not walk, with the help of walking sticks he could stand for a short time.
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          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 January 2021 20: 22
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            Quote: Tatiana
            The simple SOVIET people, on the whole, highly appreciated, loved and respected Stalin, especially after the Second World War!

            We remember JV Stalin, patriots love, democrats and liberals hate.
            But without Stalin, the Second World War, we would not have won.
            Today is the Day of lifting the blockade of Leningrad, and we do not remember it. Articles about "404", about the Can, but nothing about Peter.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 27 January 2021 20: 37
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Today is the Day of lifting the blockade of Leningrad, and we do not remember it. Articles about "404", about the Can, but nothing about Peter.
              No, we remember everything. Namely.

              Today at 04:04 in the "news" section on "VO" the very first of all the articles was the article "The Day of the Complete Liberation of Leningrad from the Nazi Blockade".
              See details - https://topwar.ru/179409-den-polnogo-osvobozhdenija-leningrada-ot-fashistskoj-blokady.html
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              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 27 January 2021 21: 59
                +4
                Quote: stepet
                Won the Second World War?

                Sorry, but our Soviet people have our Victory, but not yours.
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              2. Revolver
                Revolver 27 January 2021 22: 50
                +4
                Quote: stepet
                Well, for example, on the day the USSR entered WW2, on the side of the Anglo-Saxons, 24.09.1941?

                In fact, the USSR entered the war on 1941-06-22, and not that on purpose. And the fact that on the side of the Anglo-Saxons did not work out intentionally either, it was just that Britain was already there, and America was there later at the suggestion of Hitler, who had the audacity to declare war on the United States on 1941-12-11. This freed Roosevelt's hands, because before that he had to limit the supply of equipment to Britain and turn a blind eye to American volunteer pilots who wanted to join the RAF.
            3. Revolver
              Revolver 27 January 2021 22: 27
              +3
              Quote: tihonmarine
              about the can

              But at the sight of his name, especially in English Biden, for some reason a bidet comes to mind.
              Gentlemen officers, there will be trouble ...
      2. Alexga
        Alexga 27 January 2021 19: 02
        +9
        Misha Kozakov is the same citizen of the USSR, like us, well, maybe a couple of years older. Therefore, his assessment of what is happening with us is similar to ours. But he is right in many ways. Look at today's affairs, for a very large part of the population both Putin and Lukashenka are evaluated very negatively. And if you look at what was the first to recreate Russia after the Yeltsin times and the consequences of the collapse of the Union. And the same Lukashenka came to the helm of the country in time and did not allow its looting. But not everyone can appreciate it now. For me personally, the best years were the times of Brezhnev. There were problems, I was a citizen of the Great Country, which everyone in the world had to reckon with.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 January 2021 20: 24
          0
          Quote: AlexGa
          Look at today's affairs, for a very large part of the population both Putin and Lukashenka are evaluated very negatively.

          I can’t say anything, but I would like to ask, "and who is assessed positively in Russia?" And I just asked a question, but no more.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 27 January 2021 22: 36
            0
            When talking with officers of the RF Armed Forces, the reviews about General Shoigu are very positive.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 January 2021 22: 44
              -1
              Quote: AlexGa
              When talking with officers of the RF Armed Forces, the reviews about General Shoigu are very positive.

              Immediately put +
              1. sidoroff
                sidoroff 28 January 2021 08: 33
                +3
                and officers and generals of the RF Armed Forces just from him
                indulge.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 28 January 2021 09: 07
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                  Quote: sidoroff

                  +1
                  and officers and generals of the RF Armed Forces just from him
                  indulge.

                  He has such charisma. And he is a man, too.
                  1. sidoroff
                    sidoroff 28 January 2021 12: 32
                    +1
                    charisma and "charisma" have nothing to do with it. promotion of their metresski on the career ladder - yes)).
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 28 January 2021 18: 15
        0
        Quote: Doccor18
        To me - a citizen of this country
        Mem
        This country is a euphemism for the boring northern country. It is used as something uninvolved in all her current troubles, mostly unreal, they say, I was not, was not involved, was not involved, did not participate, I live in the country of pink bears, and the rest live in this one.
    2. DrEng527
      DrEng527 28 January 2021 12: 05
      0
      Quote: Cron
      To express your opinion on this issue, do you have to be in Russia and be a citizen of it?

      Let's answer in a mirror-like way to understand - how will Kedmi himself react to the opinions of foreigners about Israel? repeat
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 28 January 2021 19: 20
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        Quote: DrEng527
        Let's answer in a mirror-like way to understand - how will Kedmi himself react to the opinions of foreigners about Israel?

        There is a more interesting question.
        Who in Israel (except for the repatriates) knows who Y. Kedmi is and why he is a welcome guest at a not quite decent journalist?
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 29 January 2021 11: 59
          0
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          from a not quite decent journalist?

          and there are decent journalists in politics? bully
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 29 January 2021 00: 11
      0
      I just started reading the article, but it has already ended ... belay
  2. Stas157
    Stas157 27 January 2021 18: 14
    +8
    ... Khrushchev is the only politician in human history who has declared war on the dead.

    It’s strange that Stalin’s closest ally, having come to power, immediately denigrated and slandered his comrade and boss. Somehow this is not at all logical, because Khrushchev was directly involved in all of Stalin's endeavors. But, if we take into account the strange death of the leader and make the assumption that Khrushchev himself was involved in this, then everything falls into place.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 January 2021 19: 41
      +3
      Quote: Stas157
      after all, Khrushchev was directly involved in all of Stalin's endeavors.

      He even tried to "run ahead of the locomotive." No wonder I.V. Stalin wrote in one of his reports "Calm down!" Well, don't forget that Khrushchev had a personal motive. He did not forgive I. V. Stalin that he did not "regret" his son Khrushchev, who was put on trial
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 January 2021 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: Stas157
      Somehow this is not at all logical, because Khrushchev was directly involved in all of Stalin's endeavors.

      But Trotsky never forgot.
    3. samarin1969
      samarin1969 27 January 2021 22: 15
      -2
      Quote: Stas157
      ... Khrushchev is the only politician in human history who has declared war on the dead.

      It’s strange, when Stalin’s closest ally came to power, he immediately denigrated and slandered his comrade and boss. Somehow this is not at all logical, because Khrushchev was directly involved in all of Stalin's endeavors. ....

      Yes, not particularly "strange". Behind the "workers' opposition" (very sane) fell the "deviations" of the 20s, the Red Lion of the Revolution, the trials of the 30s, the Molotov and Co. group, then Khrushchov himself, the disgrace of the marshals, etc. The people look at this quite habitually. ... The Communists have always fought rather violently. It seems they have come up with a name for this sore: "exacerbation of the class struggle."
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 27 January 2021 22: 55
      +3
      Quote: Stas157
      ... Khrushchev is the only politician in human history who has declared war on the dead.

      It’s strange that Stalin’s closest ally, having come to power, immediately denigrated and slandered his comrade and boss. Somehow this is not at all logical, because Khrushchev was directly involved in all of Stalin's endeavors. But, if we take into account the strange death of the leader and make the assumption that Khrushchev himself was involved in this, then everything falls into place.

      Can you imagine a monarch who will declare, shortly after accession to the throne, that his late dad was mentally ill, a criminal, and in general a fiend? Do not get drunk in a narrow circle of drinking companions, but in public for the whole world? Me not.
  • dvina71
    dvina71 27 January 2021 17: 18
    +1
    How long have the Jews been in the state? And how are their extreme prime ministers sitting there or still on trial?
  • credo
    credo 27 January 2021 17: 42
    +7
    Quote: Cron
    The question was: why is Stalin treated this way? In general, Russia is an amazing country. There is not a single country in the world that loves to trample its history in history, throw mud at it, wipe its feet on it. You do not have a single ruler in your history, whom you did not slander, did not deceive, did not blame for all sins, did not demonize - nobody! The Jews don't even have it. - Jacob Kedmi

    Only Kedmi has forgotten, either through a misunderstanding or intends to mention that the most active participation in denigrating and slandering the Russian and Soviet rulers has been carried out by the countries of the Catholic world for more than 500 years and they have not stopped this process until now, whitewashing and hushing up the "exploits" of their villains and scum.
    By the way, the Jews in this matter often participate in the first roles, Soros will not let him lie, so let's leave the statement attributed to Kedmi on his conscience.
    1. Cron
      Cron 27 January 2021 17: 54
      -5
      Quote: credo
      Only Kedmi forgot, either by misunderstanding or intend to mention that the most active part in denigrating and slandering Russian and Soviet rulers has been carried out by the countries of the Catholic world for more than 500 years

      Of course, the point is: "by misunderstanding, whether it is intended", and not in a short quote, or in general in the dialogue. They always usually manage to cover all the moments.
      1. credo
        credo 27 January 2021 18: 00
        -1
        Quote: Cron
        Quote: credo
        Only Kedmi forgot, either by misunderstanding or intend to mention that the most active part in denigrating and slandering Russian and Soviet rulers has been carried out by the countries of the Catholic world for more than 500 years

        Of course, the point is: "by misunderstanding, whether it is intended", and not in a short quote, or in general in the dialogue. They always usually manage to cover all the moments.

        It is not entirely clear what you wanted to say, but if you have something to add, do not hesitate.
        1. Cron
          Cron 27 January 2021 18: 08
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          Quote: credo
          It is not entirely clear what you wanted to say, but if you have something to add, do not hesitate.

          The essence is very clear, if you try to think a little. I gave only a short quote, and you wanted to see all the moments in it at once? This was said in the context of the fact that you do not need to trample your story in the mud and that's it.
          It would be more correct to ask if Kedmi once said that the countries of the Catholic world, etc., take the most active part in slandering and slandering the Russian and Soviet rulers. ...
          I just wanted to say this
          1. credo
            credo 27 January 2021 18: 13
            -1
            Quote: Cron
            Quote: credo
            It is not entirely clear what you wanted to say, but if you have something to add, do not hesitate.

            The essence is very clear, if you try to think a little. I gave only a short quote, and you wanted to see all the moments in it at once? This was said in the context of the fact that you do not need to trample your story in the mud and that's it.
            It would be more correct to ask if Kedmi once said that the countries of the Catholic world, etc., take the most active part in slandering and slandering the Russian and Soviet rulers. ...
            I just wanted to say this

            In this case, it is you who are acting incorrectly, taking the phrase out of context, citing it exclusively as a characteristic of Russia and its people in relation to their leaders, for which you receive an appropriate answer.
            1. Cron
              Cron 27 January 2021 18: 23
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              Quote: credo
              In this case, it is you who are acting incorrectly, taking the phrase out of context, citing it exclusively as a characteristic of Russia and its people in relation to their leaders, for which you receive an appropriate answer.

              You can't hear me at all. What phrase have I taken out of context? There, the whole dialogue is built on this. And precisely on the fact that you do not need to trample your history. France was also cited as an example with their Napoleon, etc.
              But this does not mean that he once could not yet say about what you wrote about. Just then another topic was discussed specifically. I didn't pull out anything at all, you thought that there must be something else there. Is it really that hard to understand?
              1. credo
                credo 27 January 2021 18: 36
                0
                Quote: Cron
                Quote: credo
                In this case, it is you who are acting incorrectly, taking the phrase out of context, citing it exclusively as a characteristic of Russia and its people in relation to their leaders, for which you receive an appropriate answer.

                You can't hear me at all. What phrase have I taken out of context? There, the whole dialogue is built on this. And precisely on the fact that you do not need to trample your history. France was also cited as an example with their Napoleon, etc.
                But this does not mean that he once could not yet say about what you wrote about. Just then another topic was discussed specifically. I didn't pull out anything at all, you thought that there must be something else there. Is it really that hard to understand?

                I can only say one thing - neither Kedmi nor those like him are an authority for me and I am not interested in their interviews. But since you cited his phrase without explanation and so ardently and selflessly defend him, then you can see he is an authority for you and you value his opinion. In this case, be kind and think, when you write without explanation, that people reading your posts are not obliged to think out for you what you or the author of the given phrase you adore wanted to say in reality.
                Otherwise, it turns out as with well-known or little-known officials, who first blurt out something rash on camera, and then declare that they were misunderstood and they meant something completely different. Why is it so stupid to substitute and substitute others.
                1. Cron
                  Cron 27 January 2021 18: 47
                  -2
                  Quote: credo

                  I can only say one thing - neither Kedmi nor those like him are an authority for me and I am not interested in their interviews. But since you cited his phrase without explanation and so ardently and selflessly defend him, then you can see he is an authority for you and you value his opinion. In this case, be kind and think, when you write without explanation, that people reading your posts are not obliged to think out for you what you or the author of the given phrase you adore wanted to say in reality.
                  Otherwise, it turns out as with well-known or little-known officials, who first blurt out something rash on camera, and then declare that they were misunderstood and they meant something completely different. Why is it so stupid to substitute and substitute others.

                  Yes, I don't care who is the authority for you and who is not. And I don't clean any at all. I clean up only elementary logic, which you seem to be completely absent. If they say in the context of the fact that you do not need to trample your story, YOURS. This does not mean that someone else does not trample it from the outside. It was simply not discussed.
                  And it was you who unsubstantiatedly wrote that I took something out of context there. So I wouldn't even continue the dialogue further
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 January 2021 20: 30
            0
            Quote: Cron
            I gave only a short quote, and you wanted to see all the moments in it at once?

            A short quote can raise a person, but also lower it.
            1. Cron
              Cron 27 January 2021 20: 53
              -3
              Quote: tihonmarine
              A short quote can raise a person, but also lower it.

              Do not give thanks
              [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = OCLaEWSGeQk]
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 27 January 2021 19: 33
    0
    Quote: Cron
    There is not a single country in the world that loves to trample its history in history, throw mud at it, wipe its feet on it.

    Unfortunately, this is so.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 27 January 2021 17: 15
    +12
    Everything is better known by comparison. Compare Stalin with other "first", and everything falls into place ...
    1. credo
      credo 27 January 2021 17: 57
      +6
      Quote: Doccor18
      Everything is better known by comparison. Compare Stalin with other "first", and everything falls into place ...

      ... compare Stalin with other "first" countries in the world and it turns out that there are no white and fluffy ones at all and cannot be in this place.
      In Western, especially Catholic by religion, countries, including the Vatican, they try not to remember how and with how many victims Catholicism was implanted, both in Europe itself and in the rest of the world. On many popes of the Vatican throne, there is nowhere to put brands.
      The same applies to the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Dutch and especially English conquests in different parts of the world, which were directed and blessed by their own rulers and governments. True, in the past 150 years, the United States has come out on top in this indicator, but for some reason the entire Western world has become blind from the results of their "liberation" campaigns, pouring slops and portraying as despots whoever is not loved.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 27 January 2021 18: 38
        0
        Quote: credo
        Quote: Doccor18
        Everything is better known by comparison. Compare Stalin with other "first", and everything falls into place ...

        ... compare Stalin with other "first" countries in the world and it turns out that there are no white and fluffy ones at all and cannot be in this place.
        In Western, especially Catholic by religion, countries, including the Vatican, they try not to remember how and with how many victims Catholicism was implanted, both in Europe itself and in the rest of the world. On many popes of the Vatican throne there is nowhere to put brands ...

        Absolutely.
    2. DrEng527
      DrEng527 28 January 2021 12: 23
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      Everything is better known by comparison. Compare Stalin with other "first", and everything falls into place ...

      I agree, but it must be compared at the same time! hi
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 28 January 2021 12: 34
        +2
        Quote: DrEng527

        I agree, but it must be compared at the same time!

        If you compare at the same time, the difference "in class" will be even more obvious ...
        hi
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 28 January 2021 13: 26
          0
          Quote: Doccor18
          If you compare at the same time, the difference "in class" will be even more obvious ...

          the question is in the comparison criteria ... for example, you can take Churchill - he fought 1: 1 with Germany for a year, made it so that the losses of the British in WW2 were minimal, and much less than in WW1 ... request
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 28 January 2021 15: 14
            +1
            Quote: DrEng527
            ... you can take Churchill - he fought 1: 1 with Germany for a year, made it so that the losses of the British in WW2 were minimal ..

            Well, we know how he fought ... Dunkirk ... evacuation ... air raids ... In such a war, the British had no chance of even an acceptable peace, let alone a victory ...
            The merits of Churchill and Stalin in office are incomparable. Although, I must admit, both were very smart people and outstanding personalities.
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 28 January 2021 15: 40
              -1
              Quote: Doccor18
              Well, we know how he fought ... Dunkirk ... evacuation ... air raids ..

              losses not comparable to the Red Army in 41g request I note that the British pulled their own from France, but ours from Sevastopol - no!
              Quote: Doccor18
              The merits of Churchill and Stalin in office are incomparable.

              compare the losses of England and the USSR in WW2 ... request 0,38 and 16 million ...
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 28 January 2021 15: 47
                +2
                What are you talking about?
                Set Hitler the task of real implementation of the Sea Lion plan, and it is not known what the map of Europe would be like now, but there would definitely not be any Great Britain ...
                The only thing the British have succeeded in is in political intrigue ... Hitler still went east ...
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 28 January 2021 15: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  Set Hitler the task of real implementation of the Sea Lion plan, and it is not known what the map of Europe would be like now, but there would definitely not be any Great Britain ...

                  Are we moving into the realm of alternative history? wink Note that it was extremely difficult to transfer troops across the Channel in the presence of an efficient Royal Air Force (see War for England) and a fleet! In addition, Churchill strengthened the coastal defenses with hundreds of large-caliber guns from WW1 ... so the Germans could easily get a bloodbath when forming ...

                  Quote: Doccor18
                  The only thing the British have succeeded in is in political intrigue ... Hitler still went east ...

                  But the IVS turned out to be a sucker in all respects - both Churchll and Hitler threw it ... request
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 28 January 2021 15: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: DrEng527
                    formation ...

                    misspell - forcing fool
                  2. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 28 January 2021 16: 04
                    +1
                    Note that it was extremely difficult to transfer troops across the Channel in the presence of an efficient Royal Air Force (see War for England) and a fleet!

                    Read about this "combat capability" of the Air Force. A couple more months and a mustache ... The British themselves understood this, but the Germans did not.
                    The navy was definitely a strong argument. And such an operation had to be carefully planned and carried out swiftly. But on the island the Wehrmacht would have arranged a "blood bath" for the Britons. As it happened more than once in 1944 and 1945 ...
                    1. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 28 January 2021 17: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      Read about this "combat capability" of the Air Force. A couple more months and a mustache

                      Would the Germans have been enough for these 2 months? They lost more pilots ... request
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      carefully planned and executed promptly.

                      I recommend War and Peace, chapter on the battle of Austerlitz ... bully
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      But on the island the Wehrmacht would have arranged a "blood bath" for the Britons.

                      Experience shows that the British know how to fight and have the will and character ... request
  • apro
    apro 27 January 2021 17: 17
    -2
    In the evening they brought some hot stuff ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 January 2021 17: 17
    +16
    The main thing is that Stalin was a FIGURE with a capital letter, that he was able, 2 years after the end of the war in the country, to mark the rationing system for food, that a person lived for the country, in a rented apartment, had one suit, raised his sons as people, that modern powers they don't hold a candle to him! Indeed, any jackal can kick a dead lion - this is me about Khrushchev and about modern Stalin-haters. ...
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 27 January 2021 17: 33
      +5
      Quote: Thrifty
      this is me about Khrushchev,

      Khrushch did not have a great choice ... or he tramples Stalin into the mud and spreads rot on all who supported him and supports him ... there were anti-Stalinist repressions ... almost like in 37th ... they just didn't shoot him ... or ... the Stalinists put him up against the wall ... for everything ... for cowardice, for execution lists, for the Kharkov offensive ...
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 27 January 2021 17: 19
    +15
    Post-war myths about Stalin

    It is enough for me that the Battle of Stalingrad will remain in the history of our country. And there were also Stalin's prizes, Stalin's falcons ... There were not only Stalin's palaces.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 27 January 2021 17: 47
      0
      There were no only Stalinist palaces.

      There were Stalinist dachas.


      Three dachas were built especially for Stalin in Moscow, ten in the Caucasus and four in the Crimea. The most famous is Kuntsevskaya (close), in which the leader lived for twenty years. By the way, Stalin's personal architect Miron Merzhanov was declared an enemy of the people in 1943 and was imprisoned under Article 58 along with his colleagues and wife. The wife died in the camp.

      All dachas were painted green - Stalin was afraid of an attack from the air. Bunkers were dug under some dachas. All Stalinist dachas were guarded no worse than secret military laboratories. An area of ​​50-100 hectares was surrounded by several types of fences: rows of barbed wire, metal fences, and a six-meter fence.

      The outer perimeter of the territory - several kilometers from the building of the dacha - was guarded by units of the NKVD (later the MGB). From the air, the territory of the dacha was covered by air defense, and the areas above them were closed for flights, and anti-aircraft units were located along the perimeter of the residences. Behind the wooden fence began the inner perimeter, which was controlled by Stalin's personal guard. The dacha, which Stalin visited, was guarded by an additional thousand KGB officers.

      In addition to security, service personnel worked at each dacha: maids, a hairdresser, a cook, waiters, a nurse, drivers, gardeners, janitors, a toxicologist who checked the state of food and ready-made food before it was served to Stalin - about 50 people in total.

      All summer cottages were equipped with the latest technology. For example, at a dacha in Abkhazia, two earthenware baths were installed, the water in which did not cool for several hours - seawater was supplied there. The staircases in the dachas were made with low steps so that Stalin, who suffered from attacks of rheumatism, was comfortable climbing.

      They didn't save on registration either. The fireplace in the large dining room of the Far Dacha was decorated with onyx and opal. All furniture in Stalin's bedroom was made of plane trees. Adjacent to the bedroom is the Small Dining Room with a gray marble fireplace. In the interior decoration of each room, different types of trees were used: birch, walnut, boxwood, pine, etc. The design was carried out by the Moscow furniture factory "Lux", which worked exclusively on state orders.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 27 January 2021 18: 09
        -7
        Here is a direct low-kick on the liver for lovers of the leader, this is different, you need to understand smile
      2. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 27 January 2021 18: 19
        +8
        ".....- only about 50 people."

        Now tell us about "our" so that we know the difference.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 January 2021 20: 36
        +3
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        Three dachas were built especially for Stalin in Moscow

        Maybe once these were dachas, but now, against the background of modern ones, they look like sheds. And the dachas were not I.V. Stalin, but state buildings. And tell me that he lived in these 17 dachas.
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          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 January 2021 22: 06
            +4
            Quote: stepet
            including people,

            For you, "little people" and for me the Soviet people.
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      4. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 28 January 2021 05: 48
        +1
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        There were Stalinist dachas.
        yes (!) BUT THEY ARE ALL STATE AND NOT PERSONAL Property of the leader (!), and this is the whole difference !!! yes wink
        Well, with the number of guards and staff, -
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        The dacha that Stalin came to was guarded additionally thousands of security officers.
        I suppose you got excited? !!! winked lol
        Well, for state security, and air defense, and so on ..., - the leader of the state, has the right to no less than say "the inhabitants of the white house", is not it ?!!! Both, - residence of the first person of the state !!!. what hi
        Whom and what were you actually going to expose ?! recourse request
      5. EvilLion
        EvilLion 28 January 2021 11: 27
        +1
        Duc all over the world dachas that are personal, that departmental top officials of the state have neither fences nor curtains on the windows, everyone knows that no one will ever want, for example, to shoot the head of state with a sniper rifle from a kilometer. Or mix pale toadstools in food. It was only in the USSR that they were afraid.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 January 2021 22: 04
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And there were also Stalin's prizes, Stalin's falcons ... There were not only Stalin's palaces.

      And the words of the artillerymen's anthem "Artillerymen, Stalin gave us an order!"
  • AUL
    AUL 27 January 2021 17: 20
    0
    Nothing at all.
    1. AUL
      AUL 27 January 2021 19: 18
      +5
      What was in the article that was not previously known? New facts? Any analysis? A fresh look? Article for article sake ...
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 27 January 2021 17: 20
    +11
    Post-war myths about Stalin

    There are too many such myths. But this is not the trouble, the trouble is that there are some individuals who believe in such myths and spread them.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 January 2021 17: 35
      +10
      Quote: Jaromir
      But that's not the problem, the trouble is that there are some individuals who believe in such myths and spread them.

      Indeed, is it really a problem that for spreading myths about Stalin you can get, at best, a minus in the rating ... It's not a kick in the stomach or some kind of house arrest ...
      In general, myths are not added about an empty person and worthless deeds. Is it a myth that after Stalin there was property left, the inventory of which fit on one sheet? Or the fact that both of Stalin's sons fought during the Second World War, and did not study at Harvard ...
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 27 January 2021 17: 41
        -5
        Is it a myth that after Stalin there was property left, the inventory of which fit on one sheet?

        Who cares what was left after Stalin, if he lived well, not at all modestly.
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 28 January 2021 05: 56
          +3
          Quote: Simon Schempp
          What's the difference what was left after Stalin
          ? !! belay
          Quote: Simon Schempp
          ... if he lived well, not at all modestly.
          ? !! ... Well, if Churchill's quote (in this article) addressed to Nikita Khrushchev is - really took place, -
          Khrushchev is the only politician in human history who has declared war on the dead. But not only that - he managed to lose it.
          , then you - second !!! (although probably not a politician, but still... ) hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 January 2021 22: 05
      +2
      Quote: Jaromir
      the trouble is that there are some individuals who believe in such myths and spread them.

      And we even know their names, and in person.
  • Most polite
    Most polite 27 January 2021 17: 21
    0
    For the Chinese, it seems that some percentage is derived in the assessment of the historical heritage of Mao Zedong, so much positive, so much negative. I wonder how this can and can be applied to Stalin ??
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 27 January 2021 17: 33
      +6
      Regarding Mao, the Chinese have clearly defined for themselves the proportion of 70% positive, 30% negative, period, and no one is trying to change or dispute something.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 28 January 2021 11: 23
        +1
        Because all sorts of "Great Leaps" will climb, and this can break modern China. Although you can, of course, joke about what percentages refer to what. But on the whole, China is inclined to primitive slogans due to the savagery of the population, which will take a long time to overcome.
  • place
    place 27 January 2021 17: 30
    +3
    Heheh ..... Stalin from 1923 to 1941 did not hold any positions in the Government at all, he was the General Secretary or First Secretary of the ruling party. That is, his business was legislation, personnel policy and propaganda.

    If in modern China (as well as in the 3rd Reich) the ruling party has the post of "chairman" (or "Fuhrer"), then the VKPB did not have such a post. There was a statutory principle of “democratic centralism,” according to which all leadership positions were elective and accountable to meetings and congresses. The fact that Stalin was objectively a typical democratic party leader, on the one hand, is obvious, but on the other, no one believes in it. The paradox and "contradiction of Russian life"!

    In the "land of slaves, the land of masters," the leader cannot be anything but a King or a Tyrant. At least at the same time, the most democratic legislation formally operated in the country. And this is so. Before Gorbach, there was no President in the USSR, and therefore the main function - the appointment of the Government - was performed by the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. There is no such level of democracy now at all! Not to mention the legislative congresses.
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 27 January 2021 17: 38
    +3
    No article. Stupid bytes for comments.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 January 2021 20: 11
      0
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      No article. Stupid bytes for comments.

      also to me, binomial Newton - the article was cooked up for the sake of views. There is a tag # Stalin - that's enough. The text is secondary. Polonsky has his gesheft in the name of Stalin and the Stalinist crowd scurrying around in the branch. The more of them there are, the more money the main specialist in myths will receive in the VO box office. Yes.
  • Crowe
    Crowe 27 January 2021 17: 41
    +12
    "Under Stalin, the Soviet Union really became a great industrial power.Was in full rebuilt a centralized socialist systemAnd yet the Soviet economy had a relatively high rate of growth. According to Soviet official statistics, national income quadrupled during the first five-year plans, giving an annual increase of almost 15 percent. From 1928 to 1940, annual electricity production increased from 5 billion kilowatts to 48,3 billion, steel production - from 4,3 million tons to 18,3 million; the production of machine tools increased from 2 thousand to 58400 per year; cars began to be produced not 8 thousand a year, but 145 thousand. On the eve of the war, the industry accounted for 84,7 percent of the entire Soviet economy. Even if these figures are exaggerated by official statistics, it is a fact that the Soviet economy made great strides, there is no need to deny "

    Who said this, I wonder ... Probably, some admirer of a dictator komunyak or a bloody KGBist invented another myth, the anti-Stalinists thought. But no. Brzezinski. Yes, the same. Already his great love for Stalin and our country well Do not suspect. After the Union, which of our leaders can boast of such a thing?
    1. Alf
      Alf 27 January 2021 18: 29
      +6
      Quote: Crowe
      After the Union, which of our leaders can boast of such a thing?

      I got a little fact.
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 28 January 2021 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Alf
        little fact.

        "From December 31, 2000 to December 31, 2013, the length of public roads in Russia increased from 584 thousand km to 1 million 396 thousand km. (139% increase). The length of hard-surface roads increased by 85%: from 532 thousand km to 984 thousand km " bully
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 28 January 2021 12: 21
        0
        or this is what shows that your graph is a lie ... request
        "The length of public roads in 2018 increased by 21,6 thousand km (by 1,4%) compared to 2017 and amounted to 1529,4 thousand km. More half of the total increase was provided by roads hard surface, whose share in the total length of public roads is more than 70%. Their length in 2018 increased by 12,0 thousand km (from 1 million 64 thousand km in 2017 to 1 million 76 thousand km in 2018).
        Source: https://www.eg-online.ru/article/401621/ "
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 January 2021 22: 11
      0
      Quote: Crowe
      But no. Brzezinski. Yes, the same. Already he is in great love for Stalin and our country by no means suspect.

      And Churchill cannot be suspected of love for Stalin ...
      “Russia was very lucky that when it was agonized, it was led by such a tough military leader. This is an outstanding personality, suitable for harsh times. A man is inexhaustibly bold, domineering, direct in actions and even rude in his statements ... However, he retained a sense of humor, which is very important for all people and nations, and especially for big people and great nations. Stalin also impressed me with his cool-blooded wisdom, in the complete absence of any illusions. ”
      Winston Churchill, speech in the British Parliament on September 8, 1942 following a visit to Moscow.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 27 January 2021 17: 42
    +3
    One of the reforms, among other modern Russia, was the reform of Russian mythology. This is when some myths are replaced by others, more convenient from the point of view of current needs. Around Stalin already so much piled up that the devil himself would break his head.
    1. Avior
      Avior 27 January 2021 18: 01
      +3
      When they are replaced, something else.
      And when new ones appear, old ones remain - it turns out
      In the village of Krasnoe, Orenburg Region, on Chapaev Street, a monument to his killer was erected. The composition was dedicated to the Ural Cossack and participant of the First World War and the Civil War Timofey Sladkov, who in 1919 defeated the headquarters of the 25th rifle division and killed its commander Vasily Chapaev, reports Orenburg Media.


      https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.lenta.ru/news/2020/10/21/chapaev/amp/
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 28 January 2021 11: 45
        0
        Quote: Avior
        When they are replaced, something else.
        And when new ones appear, old ones remain - it turns out
        In the village of Krasnoe, Orenburg Region, on Chapaev Street, a monument to his killer was erected. The composition was dedicated to the Ural Cossack and participant of the First World War and the Civil War Timofey Sladkov, who in 1919 defeated the headquarters of the 25th rifle division and killed its commander Vasily Chapaev, reports Orenburg Media.

        It's like in Yekaterinburg the Church on the Blood is surrounded by Dzerzhinsky, Liebknecht and other Bolshevik streets. Nearby there is also a monument to Sverdlov. We live in such a country. However, there is nothing wrong with the monuments to the Whites.
        1. Avior
          Avior 28 January 2021 15: 04
          +2
          There are quite a few such examples.
          The country was left to sit on two chairs - between communist examples of heroism and capitalist reality.
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 28 January 2021 17: 43
            0
            Quote: Avior
            There are quite a few such examples.
            The country was left to sit on two chairs - between communist examples of heroism and capitalist reality.

            So Colonel Sladkov and the royal family, whose remains were found during the Soviet era, to cap. reality has no relationship.
            1. Avior
              Avior 28 January 2021 18: 01
              0
              Call it anti-communist.
              The fact remains that under the communists, who are now heroes, they fought against what is now in reality
              1. Obliterator
                Obliterator 28 January 2021 20: 50
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Call it anti-communist.
                The fact remains that under the communists, who are now heroes, they fought against what is now in reality

                Russian history is all the same. Not all streets are named after all Nakhimsons or R. Luxemburg.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 27 January 2021 17: 46
    +2
    The only thing left for the author is to wish to continue the topic of the article that has been started, and this is more like a preface to the article. hi
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 January 2021 18: 09
    0
    I saw the photo and was indignant: "It will be too small" Again technology. angry But I read the signature ...
    Modern supporters of Stalin. And not just anywhere, but in Great Britain itself ...
    Enough .... hi
    Khrushchev is the only politician in human history who has declared war on the dead. But not only that - he managed to lose it.
    Well, during his lifetime, Khrushchev won the war, and after his death, ... request still work and work .... There is no monument to Stalin. request But he saved the country.
    1. Alf
      Alf 27 January 2021 18: 36
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      There is no monument to Stalin.

      Why not ? There are many of them throughout the country, namely the current ones, but the authorities are simply afraid to mention this.



  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 27 January 2021 18: 12
    +3
    of course, the liberals denigrating the great Stalin are wrong, and all true patriots, all smart and decent people appreciate the wise leader
  • Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 27 January 2021 18: 17
    +5
    Quote: Cron
    There is not a single country in the world that loves to trample its history in history, throw mud at it, wipe its feet on it.

    There are such countries. There, former rulers are thrown off their pedestals and the police are brought to their knees for mythical past sins.
  • Professor
    Professor 27 January 2021 20: 31
    0
    Another myth is about Stalin's anti-Semitism. Naturally, Stalin was not and could not be a convinced anti-Semite.

    However, he was. This is confirmed by thousands of facts. The loudest: "The Doctors' Case", "The Struggle against Rootless Cosmopolitans", the execution of members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. About how under Dzhugashvili the Jewish culture was completely destroyed, Jewish schools, theaters, libraries, technical schools were closed and further down the list, too, let's not forget.

    But at the same time, Stalin made a huge contribution to the very appearance of the state of Israel on the world map.

    I would very much like to hear more about this "contribution".

    True, then the fact of Israel's existence did not play a very good service for Soviet Jews: after all, any of them could claim to leave the country, which means that they became a potential object of suspicion that sooner or later he would want to leave the Soviet Union.

    Well? Shoot for this?

    In general, a detailed analysis of the myths about Stalin is a very large and serious task.

    That's it.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 January 2021 22: 15
      -1
      Quote: Professor
      shooting of members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee.

      Justified by the government of the USSR decision.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 January 2021 22: 28
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      That's it.

      the current fifteen and subsequent post-industrial generations do not care, forgive me, and Stalin and the myths around him. In this sandbox, the audience is 50+. It is she who, with polemical fervor, proves to each other what a genius / tyrant, humanist / cannibal he is, he saved the country / almost ruined the country, calloused hands / bloodied hands and so on, point by point. There is no practical benefit from these dances of St. Vitus around the odious figure of the Leader. These are Swift blunt and pointed points. The conflict is hopeless, but giving birth to primitives on its periphery, which begin to drag back and forth network bullshit like the "Churchill's quotes about Stalin" composed by some mentally disabled person (there is above, in the commentary of some passionary). The Stalinists really fall into some kind of religious ecstasy when they see the #stalin tag.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 28 January 2021 11: 19
        +1
        I'm only afraid that the recognition of Stalin as a criminal makes it possible to start revising the results of the Second World War, which will affect you personally, and me, and 15-year-olds who do not care. This is what happened under Peter I really does not change anything.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 12: 04
          0
          Quote: EvilLion
          start reviewing the results of World War II

          The results have long been revised - the world has not existed in the Yalta matrix for 30 years. Whether or not Stalin is recognized as a criminal is generally all the same. This is a fetish of a limited group of people and their patrons, who would be more comfortable to vegetate behind the Iron Curtain. Or what -
          - Grandpa, why can't I go abroad?
          - Patamushta one recognized Stalin as a criminal, and he is good
          1. Avior
            Avior 28 January 2021 18: 05
            +2
            The results of the Second World War in Europe are recorded in the decisions of the Potsdam Conference. It seems that all the decisions work?
            Or what have you revised?
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 28 January 2021 11: 20
      +1
      destroyed Jewish culture to the root, closed Jewish schools, theaters, libraries, technical schools


      And they made them for everyone, not just for the Jews.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 January 2021 20: 35
    +1
    What are we talking about? Who will correctly assess Stalin's personality? In large cities there are noble assemblies. They decide which monuments to demolish and which to restore. For them, the history of the USSR is not history at all. They extol the former monarchs, and do their best to blot out the history of the USSR. We will not be here, and you will worship fictitious heroes, not real ones, who defended the country during the war and created a reliable shield for the people.
  • Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 27 January 2021 21: 24
    0
    Another thing is that, in pursuit of a frightening effect, Soviet courts

    Let's start with the fact that in 1937-1938 more than 650 people were executed according to absolutely illegal "sentences" absolutely illegal (from the point of view of the then norms of the USSR Constitution of 000) NKVD "triplets", "twos", "special meeting" ...
    It seems like overkill today. But then, this approach allowed to establish order in the country.

    Failed. Moreover, the Soviet underworld, the laws and orders of which still determine the face of the modern criminal world, was formed precisely in the 1920s - 1950s.

    The crime rate in the USSR remained high

    That is, the cruelty of the measures used somehow did not lead to a drop in the level of severe violent and organized crime to insignificant? Maybe because Yagoda / Yezhov / Beria (with Stalin's blessing) set completely different goals for themselves then?
    At the same time, no one really delved into whether there was real fault behind them or not.

    In the case of the "sentences" of illegal "triplets", "twos", "special meetings" of the NKVD during 1937-1939, this does not matter. Even if a person was really guilty of what he was accused of (and not that he was a political enemy of Stalin - this is not a crime, according to the same USSR Constitution of 1936), then he was still repressed illegally.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 January 2021 22: 21
      -1
      Quote: Terran Ghost
      In the case of the "sentences" of illegal "triplets", "twos", "special meetings" of the NKVD during 1937-1939, this does not matter.

      Before writing this, read the documents about the activities of the law enforcement agencies of the USSR. Nobody was just shot at that time. Dig through the archives, not the articles of liberals and Russophobes.
      1. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 27 January 2021 22: 56
        -1
        First, I advise you to stop throwing the words "Russophobe" and "Russophobia" around. Criticism of the repression policy pursued by Stalin and his associates (Yagoda, Yezhov, Beria) in 1937-1939 is not Russophobia from the word "in any way."
        Secondly, a person who denies basic human rights and freedoms ALWAYS denies them for others. As soon as it happens that such an individual is pinned down by his personal tail, completely different songs begin right there.

        And now on the merits.
        We open the Constitution of the USSR in 1936 and read ...
        Quote: "Article 102. Justice in the USSR is administered by the Supreme Court of the USSR, the Supreme Courts of the Union republics, regional and regional courts, the courts of autonomous republics and autonomous regions, district courts, special courts of the USSR, created by
        by the decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, people's courts. "
        Quote: "Article 111. The trial of cases in all courts of the USSR is open, since the law does not provide for exceptions, while ensuring the accused's right to defense."
        Quote: "Article 112. Judges are independent and obey only the law."
        Thus, according to the Constitution (basic state law) of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, adopted in 1936 in the USSR:
        1) justice could ONLY be administered by the court.
        2) judges of all courts had to carry out their activities only on the basis of the law, while being independent from the decisions of the executive authorities
        3) the accused should always have been given the right to defense.
        In this regard, all "troikas", "deuces", "special meetings" of the NKVD without exception, which passed "sentences" in criminal cases in the period 1937-1939, are deliberately illegal. All their "sentences" were also deliberately illegal.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 28 January 2021 11: 07
          +1
          In fact, your fundamental mistake is that the Troikas and other Special Conferences were judicial bodies appointed by the authorities, and all their decisions are completely legal. Likewise, extraordinary bodies such as courts martial are perfectly legal. At the same time, the quality of these triplets is, as it were, higher than the level of the typical city court of those. years, since people of higher rank and education were appointed there.

          Further, you teach the materiel at least a little, Stalin did not order Yezhov to plant everyone, Stalin replaced Yezhov with Beria, under which a review of the mass of cases and the first rehabilitation followed. Moreover, these rehabilitations can be believed, unlike Khrushchev's, when they released or justified anyone on the spot, just to get rid of the predecessor, or who was a supporter of Khrushchev. And even more so Yakovlevsky, when they rehabilitated at a rate of 20 cases per person-day.
          1. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 28 January 2021 11: 59
            -1
            Troikas and other Special Meetings were government-appointed judicial authorities

            Again the Constitution of the USSR in 1936.
            Quote: "Article 102. Justice in the USSR is administered by the Supreme Court of the USSR, the Supreme Courts of the Union republics, regional and regional courts, the courts of autonomous republics and autonomous regions, district courts, special courts of the USSR, created by
            by the decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, people's courts. "
            The list is comprehensive. By orders of the NKVD of the USSR (especially secret), no judicial bodies in the USSR could be created in principle.
            In general, this moment alone is enough. But we will go further
            Quote: "Article 111. The trial of cases in all courts of the USSR is open, since the law does not provide for exceptions, while ensuring the accused's right to defense."
            Quote: "Article 112. Judges are independent and obey only the law."
            the requirements of the Constitution of the USSR on the independence and subordination only to the law of judges, as well as on ensuring the accused in a criminal case the right to defense, they are common to ALL courts in the USSR.
            In the case of the activities of the so-called. "triples", "twos", "special meeting" of the NKVD of the USSR, these principles were not observed.
            In total - all "troikas", "deuces", "special meetings" of the NKVD without exception, which passed "sentences" in criminal cases in the period 1937-1939 - are obviously illegal. All their "sentences" were also deliberately illegal.
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 1 February 2021 20: 58
              -1
              Troikas, a military tribunal and a special meeting belonged to special courts created by the decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and they considered only especially dangerous political crimes on the proposal of the people's courts. They never dealt with criminal cases. Troikas existed for less than 1 year in 1937-1938.
              1. Terran ghost
                Terran ghost 2 February 2021 18: 54
                0
                Troikas, a military tribunal and a special meeting were related to special courts created by the decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR

                I will repeat myself. According to the Constitution of the USSR of 1936, special courts (which, just like all other courts in the USSR, were subject to the requirements of Articles 111,112 of the Constitution of the USSR on guarantees of the rights of citizens participating in judicial proceedings) could be created ONLY by a resolution of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. No courts in the USSR could be legally established by orders of the NKVD of the USSR (all the more secret) or even by decisions of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR.
                In total - without exception, all "troikas", "deuces", "special meetings" of the NKVD, which passed "sentences" in criminal cases in the period 1937-1939 - are deliberately illegal. All their "sentences" were also deliberately illegal. Illegal from the point of view of the then acting Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
          2. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 1 February 2021 21: 00
            0
            Under Gorbachev, according to official documents, 700 convicts were rehabilitated per day, seven days a week.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 28 January 2021 11: 16
      +1
      About the delirium about the illegality of "triplets" and "special meetings" (who did not have the right to pass sentences heavier than 5 years) you are lower, but about crime, then with what fright it will fall in a country in which, after 2 heavy wars and another civil one among the population there is simply a monstrous amount of weapons on hand, and the population itself is used to solving issues by force?

      Our 90s in terms of the level of frostbite of the population by the 1930s did not come close.

      At the same time, it is pointless to argue without statistics for the same 30s, in fact, a period of a calm and already well-fed life, which leads to a decrease in crime falls on the pre-war years, and therefore, against the background of the subsequent war, it is lost, and after it everything is new. Devastation, an infinite number of weapons, a population trained and accustomed to killing.

      But you believe further that crime depends on the severity of punishment. No, if you give half a year for fraud, as in the era of the NEP, then yes, there is nothing to be afraid of, and zits-chairman is a profession.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 27 January 2021 22: 14
    0
    [quote = Avior]
    [Quote] In the village of Krasnoe, Orenburg Region, on Chapaev Street, a monument to his killer was erected. The composition was dedicated to the Ural Cossack and participant of the First World War and the Civil War Timofei Sladkov, who in 1919 defeated the headquarters of the 25th Infantry Division and killed its commander Vasily Chapaev, Orenburg Media reports.... [/ quote

    At the meeting with the veteran:
    Is it true that Chapaev was the last to be seen?
    True. I sit on the shore, and he floats.
    I am from the machine gun tra-ta-ta, and I never saw him again.
  • high
    high 28 January 2021 09: 18
    -4
    Stalin is a criminal and there is no need to justify his crimes.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 28 January 2021 11: 00
      +4
      Is it possible to get acquainted with the verdict of the court that made such a decision? Or can you just blow bubbles into a puddle, like all Stalinophobes?
  • Konnick
    Konnick 28 January 2021 09: 59
    0
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    For a greater weight, the Satanic Shapiros (Solovievs) present him as "the head of the Israeli special service." It has a hypnotic effect on the plebs - in the mind of the man in the street, he is almost the head of the Mossad.


    But it is encrypted like a real undercover agent. I met Kedmi in the metro, at Teatralnaya station, waiting for the train. He came up to stand beside him, but immediately realized that I recognized him and abruptly, sideways, looking around, dived into the next car. Such was the impression as if it was going away from outdoor hi
  • Konnick
    Konnick 28 January 2021 10: 03
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    However, he was. This is confirmed by thousands of facts. The loudest: "The Doctors' Case", "The Struggle against Rootless Cosmopolitans", the execution of members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. About how under Dzhugashvili the Jewish culture was completely destroyed, Jewish schools, theaters, libraries, technical schools were closed and further down the list, too, let's not forget.


    Stalin did not like those who are isolated and who stick out their national identity. And he put not only the Jews in their place, but also other nationalists in the union and autonomous republics. He warned with these actions what happened later in Ukraine. And no one destroyed the Jewish culture, they just put it in its place. The priority was the friendship of peoples.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 28 January 2021 10: 58
    +4
    Another thing is that, in pursuit of a frightening effect, the Soviet courts gave prison terms completely incomparable with the real scale of the convict's guilt: 7 years for stealing collective farm property.


    You can steal a bag, or you can something that disrupt the work of the collective farm, and this can already be classified as sabotage. The level of lower-level judges and how the delusional sentences passed by them were canceled by higher authorities is well described by the same Igor Pykhalov in an article about "3 spikelets".

    Well, 3 spikelets weigh about 25 kg, that is how much one person could cut from a collective farm field per night. To understand the issue, peasants, even before any collective farms, could easily have been killed for cutting spikelets from a neighboring field.

    and simply corrupt or agents of enemy influence.


    In this regard, Elena Prudnikova in one of the last (end of the 20th year) vidos on len.ru said a wonderful thing: "They gave me 10 years for nothing, but they did not shoot." He brought a train of junk from Germany, or built a mansion, so then Vissarionych will thickly hint that what a good kindergarten was built by a friend, it is so. Maybe they will be punished ("no way"), maybe they will turn a blind eye. I'm not talking about jambs, I did not manage, they will be removed from office, they will be put where you can manage. But who you have to be and what to do to be taken to the execution basement.
    1. Obliterator
      Obliterator 28 January 2021 11: 55
      -1
      Quote: EvilLion
      But who you have to be and what to do to be taken to the execution basement.

      Confessionary testimony and more testimony from a couple of witnesses. In principle, it was already enough.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 1 February 2021 20: 36
      +1
      In accordance with the Code of Criminal Procedure of the USSR, criminal cases were opened only if the amount of stolen collective farm property exceeded 50 rubles. For 50 rubles in the 30s, you could buy 150 kg of flour, these were the spikelets that were heavy. And about the terms for collecting spikelets in the harvested field, 100% of the harvested fields were not guarded by lies, there were few fools in the collective farms.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 28 January 2021 12: 13
    -4
    The IVS himself actively generated myths about himself, beloved ... request In short, he was the bloody executioner of the peoples of Russia, under whom not only entire social strata of society, but even entire peoples were repressed ... As a leader, he pursued an extremely anti-popular policy, initiated an illiterate management of the national economy, plunged the country into a famine of collectivization, and then the war with the unprecedented defeat of the army in the initial period of the Second World War, which led to terrible casualties and material losses ... As a person he was a complex person, it is clear that strong-willed, very smart, but absolutely immoral ... He achieved incredible power, but used it is far from being for the good of the peoples of the country, however, this is a common thing in Russia and the world ... request
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 1 February 2021 18: 31
      +3
      You forgot to add "I think" or "I think".
      You should not pass off your own private opinion as an absolute truth, they may be considered an irresponsible yap.
      Stalin is a complex and contradictory figure, and his assessment is completely determined by the views of the evaluator. And everyone understands the concept of the good of nations in his own way ...
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 2 February 2021 13: 01
        -1
        Quote: kakvastam
        You forgot to add "I think" or "I think".

        and am I not writing from my nickname? or referring to the opinions of others? or are you an itchy editorial?
        Quote: kakvastam
        You should not pass off your own private opinion as an absolute truth, they may be considered an irresponsible yap.

        are you about yourself? request or do you consider yourself worthy to teach me? disappoint ...
        Quote: kakvastam
        Stalin is a complex and contradictory figure,

        Quote: DrEng527
        As a person, he was a complex person, it is clear that strong-willed, very smart, but absolutely immoral.

        Well, what have you added new?
        Quote: kakvastam
        And everyone understands the concept of the good of nations in their own way ...

        This is of course - but if people are killed, robbed and exiled by the millions, people are fleeing en masse from the country - then this is not the good of the people ... request However, if you are a fanatic, then the main idea is for you, and what about these little cogs! hi
        1. kakvastam
          kakvastam 4 February 2021 17: 05
          0
          Quote: DrEng527
          disappoint ...

          You react too painfully to completely harmless comments.
          Judging by the peculiarities of spelling and punctuation, you are either extremely young at heart, or even know about the Soviet period only by hearsay.

          Quote: DrEng527
          Well, what have you added new?

          Exchange of views rarely generates new knowledge.

          Quote: DrEng527
          This is of course - but if people are killed, robbed and exiled by the millions, people are fleeing en masse from the country - then this is not the good of the people ...

          Well, now they are not exiled, but everything else is quite present, and few people are interested in whether this is happening due to the malicious intent of the authorities, because of their rare stupidity, or circumstances really do not leave other options.
          Or do you think that this bloody tyrant also reached out?
          After a catastrophe, difficulties usually arise, and it is rarely possible to overcome them without spoiling a significant number of people. This is if it works. And with disasters in the first half of the last century, there was complete order!

          Quote: DrEng527
          However, if you are a fanatic, then the main idea is for you, and what about these little cogs!

          Fanatics are emotional and categorical, like you, for example.
          And I am only interested in the results of activities in the bottom line. Stalin's score is clearly positive, which does not remove questions from his methods and solutions. It is obvious that the first person is ultimately responsible for any imbalances on the ground, although recently this is not very popular knowledge.
          One way or another, any decision is beneficial to some, and to the detriment of others.
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 4 February 2021 18: 14
            0
            Quote: kakvastam
            You are either extremely young at heart

            exactly! hi
            Quote: kakvastam
            to completely harmless remarks.

            Each has its own measure, I consider some to be normal and mate in my address ... hi
            Quote: kakvastam
            but everything else is quite there,

            do not voice the facts about mass robberies and murders by the authorities at the present time?
            Quote: kakvastam
            because of their rare stupidity,

            It's fashionable to scold the authorities, have you tried to lead yourself? hi
            Quote: kakvastam
            Or do you think that this bloody tyrant also reached out?

            if it's not a secret - who are you talking about? recourse Can I be more precise? I did not live in the temporary detention facility, but both my grandfathers and their families suffered ...
            Quote: kakvastam
            Difficulties usually arise after a disaster

            Remember who called for turning the imperialist war into a civil war? And I did request Or do you think that the catastrophe in 1917 happened by itself? But the country was settling down, preparations for the elections to the CA were nearing completion ...
            Quote: kakvastam
            like you, for example.

            only in your opinion, and unreasonable ... hi
            Quote: kakvastam
            Stalin's score is clearly positive, which does not remove questions from his methods and solutions.
            do not tell me - what do you think is positive? Collectivization, industrialization or WWII? Destruction of kulaks, exile of peoples? Constant annoyance and low living standards in the country? The militarization of the country?
            Quote: kakvastam
            that the first person is ultimately responsible for any distortions on the ground,

            And if the distortions are the policy of the first person? and were the local leaders used as lightning rods?
            Quote: kakvastam
            although lately this is not very popular knowledge.

            not from the bulk you an hour? bully
            Quote: kakvastam
            One way or another, any decision is beneficial to some, and to the detriment of others.

            the question is in another, which you skillfully bypassed on particulars:
            Quote: DrEng527
            if people are killed, robbed and exiled in millions, people are fleeing en masse from the country - then this is not the good of the people.

            For the sake of which 4,5 million tons were dispossessed in the USSR. fists? Have several peoples been exiled? And before that, the Bolsheviks dispersed the US, concluded an obscene peace and plunged the country into the Civil War? To gain power? OK, we got it - as a result, already at 21g, VIL whines about mistakes and changes course! But the power, despite the mistakes, does not give up ... If about the IVS, then in a toast about the Russian backgammon he admits monstrous mistakes at the beginning of the war, but does not consider himself guilty, and the power, again, does not give up ... hi
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 1 February 2021 20: 29
    +1
    The author is lying,
    he was always surrounded by a large number of persons of Jewish nationality, the lack of whom was not felt in the Bolshevik Party.
    in the Stalinist Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) after 1936 there was 1 Jew - Kaganovich. It is not necessary to quote the work of Himmler "The Subhuman" that Jews ruled the USSR.
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 2 February 2021 13: 02
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      that Jews ruled the USSR.

      depends on the period ... request
  • tezey
    tezey 10 February 2021 00: 42
    0
    I remember in my childhood my still young father, paternal grandfather and maternal great-grandfather were sitting at the receiver. Great-grandfather of the former senior officers under the king. Under the Soviets, he was arrested three times, but never jailed. However, after the war he highly appreciated the role of Stalin, and quietly disliked Soviet power. The report of Comrade Khrushchev at the 22nd Congress of the CPSU sounded on the radio. They sit quietly and do not comment, but I am a kid spinning around. After prolonged applause, following Khrushchev's speech, the great-grandfather stood up and said, that the dictatorship of the proletariat is over, after Stalin, these will eventually demolish Lenin. I will not see the new bourgeoisie, but he, pointed at me, will see. And what. Great-grandfather was right. And so it happened. First, these demolished Stalin, then Lenin and ended by demolishing socialism and the USSR, and I saw those very new bourgeoisie. And it all started with the struggle against Stalin with the revision of his legacy.
  • Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 15 February 2021 15: 16
    0
    Khrushchev severely took revenge on Stalin for the fact that Stalin made Khrushchev's hopak dance and arrested Khrushchev's son. And Khrushchev also took revenge on the entire Russian people in 1954.
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 3 March 2021 14: 16
    -1
    The greatest ruler of our empire, but he also had mistakes, the one who does nothing is not mistaken, but all his mistakes fade before what he did for the state, for the people.
  • Bigbraza
    Bigbraza 6 March 2021 16: 33
    -1
    Stalin is the most incompetent leader in the history of great powers. A more mediocre ruler cannot even be imagined.
    The industrialization that Stalin got at the cost of huge sacrifices was in fact multiplied by the Germans by zero in the first four months of the war. Stories about thousands of evacuated enterprises can be left to the red sectarians for internal use - yes, there were such enterprises, but they were a drop in a sea of ​​catastrophic losses. We could well have done without the industrialization made by Stalinist methods - at least we would have saved people.
    There is nothing to say about the military strategy of this mustachioed insignificance - he lost his war in 1941. But fortunately for us, Tsar Nicholas II managed to finish building the Trans-Siberian, and the pre-war activity of the Japanese in the East forced many good, full-blooded divisions to be transferred there. If not for this, Stalin would have lost his entire cadre army in 1941, and this would have been fatal.
    The stories that the Germans conquered all of Europe, so there is nothing surprising in the defeat of 1941, also for the sectarians. The fact is that this just deprives Stalin of the last excuses - it was already clear to everyone how strong the Germans were and how decisive Hitler was. And only stupid Stalin actually gave him the army to be torn apart by his orders "not to succumb to provocations" when German planes made dozens, hundreds of reconnaissance flights over Soviet territory and did not receive repulse.
    Again, let's be frank - without Lend-Lease, victory would have been impossible. If you remove the sectarian glasses from your eyes, it becomes obvious that without amerskoy stew, cars, explosives and aviation fuel, by the end of 1942 it would have been impossible to resist. Unless Stalin personally, in some secret bunker, could have fought until 1953, but this is extremely doubtful.
    Distrust of their own generals and marshals led not only to the catastrophe of 1941, but also to the failure of the 1942 summer campaign, which also almost became fatal - they almost lost Caspian oil and the transit of American aid through Iran. Probably, after Kharkov, this ghoul realized that sooner or later his command would lead Hitler to the Kremlin, so he, gritting his teeth, began to obey the military commanders at Stalingrad.
    Oh, yes, here they like to talk about "took with a plow, and left with an atomic bomb." So, the Soviet atomic bomb is entirely the merit of American initiators from the "Manhattan Project". If it were not for them, Stalin and Beria would have fiddled with Beria until 1960. Well, at least the Americans demonstrated the power of atomic weapons in Hiroshima, otherwise this mediocrity would have considered it, according to his habit, "Pseudoscience" until the American attack on the USSR.

    In general, briefly, in a thesis, I have explained to you, gentlemen, red Russophobes, why your idol is in fact a stupid monster that has brought Russia and the Russian people nothing but evil.

    Although it gave the Ukrainian people a lot - territory, Ukrainization, a place in the UN. And other outlying "orphans" thanks to this Russophobe have risen so well. So if you are one of those outlying ones, you can love and bless.
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 32
    +1
    “After 1953, nationalists and careerists, bribe-takers came to power in the USSR. Covered from the Kremlin.
    When the time comes, they will throw off their masks, throw away their membership cards and openly rule their counties like feudal lords and serf-owners .. "
    Mao Zedong "New China" Beijing, 1964 # 12
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 34
    +1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmhcUWK7DU8
    Churchill on Stalin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HA47wlIgBE
    Declassified history. Stalin and Churchill
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 35
    +2
    “Unlike Hitler, he possessed incredible patience, like no other leader of democratic countries. Stalin was ready in a minute to engage in a scrupulous study of the balance of forces. (...) he firmly and decisively defended Soviet national interests, without burdening the burden of hypocritical (...) morality or personal affections, a true monster in matters of foreign policy, Stalin, however, was an eminently realist: patient, shrewd and unyielding - the Richelieu of his time. "
    Henry Kissinger.
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 35
    +2
    Communism under Stalin won the applause and admiration of all Western nations. It was communism under Stalin that gave us examples of patriotism equal to the best in the annals of history. Communism under Stalin raised the best generals in the world. Persecution of Christianity? This is not true. There is no religious persecution. The doors of the Church are open. Racial Persecution of Minorities? Absolutely not. Jews live like everyone else. Political repression? Of course. But now it is clear that those who were shot would have betrayed Russia to its German enemies.
    Lord Beaverbrook, 1942
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 36
    +2
    Speech by the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy before the memorial service for I.V. Stalin, said in the Patriarchal Cathedral ...
    The Great Leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, was gone.
    The great, moral, social power was abolished: the power in which our people felt their own power, which he guided in his creative works and enterprises, which he consoled for many years. There is no region where the deep gaze of the great Leader does not penetrate. People of science were amazed at his deep scientific knowledge in the most diverse fields, his brilliant scientific generalizations; the military - his military genius; people of all kinds of labor invariably received powerful support and valuable guidance from him. As a man of genius, in every business he discovered what was invisible and inaccessible to the ordinary mind.
    About his intense cares and exploits during the Great Patriotic War, about his brilliant leadership of military operations, which gave us victory over a powerful enemy and in general over fascism; His multifaceted, immense daily work on managing, on managing state affairs was widely and convincingly discussed in the press, and especially at the last farewell today, on the day of his funeral, his closest co-workers. His name, as a champion of world peace, and his glorious deeds will live forever.
    We, having gathered for a prayer for him, cannot pass by the silence of his always benevolent, compassionate attitude to our church needs. Not a single question that we addressed to him was rejected by him; he satisfied all our requests. And a lot of good and useful, thanks to its high authority, has been done for our Church by our Government.
    The memory of him is unforgettable for us, and our Russian Orthodox Church, mourning his departure from us, escorts him to the last journey, “the path of all the earth”, with fervent prayer.
    In these sad days for us from all sides of our Fatherland from bishops, clergy and believers, and from abroad from the Heads and representatives of the Churches, both Orthodox and heterodox, I receive many telegrams in which prayers for him are reported and expressed condolences to us on the occasion of this sad loss for us.
    We prayed for him when the news came of his serious illness. And now that he is gone, we pray for the peace of his immortal soul.
    Yesterday, our special delegation was composed of His Eminence Metropolitan Nicholas; the representative of the episcopate, clergy and believers of Siberia, Archbishop Palladius; the representative of the episcopate, clergy and believers of Ukraine, Archbishop Nikon and Protopresbyter Fr. Nicholas, laid a wreath at his tomb and bowed on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church to his dear ashes.
    Prayer, filled with Christian love, reaches God. We believe that our prayer for the deceased will be heard by the Lord. And to our beloved and unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich, we prayerfully, with deep, ardent love proclaim eternal memory. source: Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate. 1953, no. 4. C.3
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 37
    +1
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/ruslovo/kak-stalin-vernul-ukradennye-dengi-v-stranu-ili-eksproriaciia-plamennyh-revoliucionerov-5f7ff7180ed9ec1e0abc31a0?&utm_campaign=dbr
    How Stalin returned the stolen money to the country. Or the expropriation of "fiery revolutionaries"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=6ExY7d2GYEE&feature=emb_logo
    How they fought corruption under Stalin

    ON THE ECONOMIC STATUS OF THE SOVIET UNION AND THE POLICY OF THE PARTY
    From the report to the activists of the Leningrad organization on the work of the plenum of the Central Committee of the BKP (b) on April 13, 1926
    ... We need, fourthly, to wage a systematic struggle against theft, against the so-called "cheerful" theft in the organs of our state, in cooperatives, in trade unions, etc. There is shameful, hidden theft, and there is bold theft, " funny ", as they say in the press. Recently I read Okunev's note about "merry" theft in Komsomolskaya Pravda. There was, it turns out, a kind of fertic, a young man with a mustache, who cheerfully stole in one of our institutions, he stole systematically, tirelessly, and always stole successfully. It is not so much the thief himself that deserves attention here, but the fact that the surrounding public, knowing about the thief, not only did not fight with him, but, on the contrary, did not mind slapping him on the shoulder and praising him for his dexterity, which is why the thief became in the eyes the public is a kind of hero. That is what deserves attention, and that is what is most dangerous, comrades.
    When a spy or a traitor is caught, the indignation of the public knows no bounds, it demands execution. And when a thief is wielding in front of everyone, plundering state property, the surrounding public is limited to good-natured chuckles and a pat on the shoulder. Meanwhile, it is clear that a thief who plunders the people's property and undermines the interests of the national economy is the same spy and traitor, if not worse. This darling, little mustache, of course, was arrested in the end. But what does the arrest of one "cheerful" thief mean? We have hundreds and thousands of such thieves. You cannot get everyone out with the help of the GPU.
    Here another measure is needed, more effective and more serious. This measure is to create around such thieves an atmosphere of general, moral boycott and hatred of the surrounding public. This measure consists in raising such a campaign and creating such a moral atmosphere among the workers and peasants, which would exclude the possibility of theft, which would make it impossible for the life and existence of thieves and plunders of the people's property, "cheerful" and "unhappy".
    The fight against theft, as one of the means of protecting our accumulation from embezzlement, is the task.
    "Leningradskaya Pravda" No. 89, April 18, 1926
    Stalin I.V. PSS, vol. 8, article 136
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 39
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    I.V. STALIN: ON MASS STREET PROTESTS
    A street demonstration is interesting in that it quickly draws a large mass of the population into movement, immediately acquaints them with our demands and creates that fertile broad ground on which we can boldly sow the seeds of socialist ideas and political freedom.
    Street demonstration creates street agitation, the influence of which cannot but succumb to the backward and timid part of society. It is enough for a person to go outside during a demonstration to see the courageous fighters, to understand what they are fighting for, to hear free speech calling everyone to fight, a battle song that exposes the existing system, reveals our social ulcers. That is why the authorities are most afraid of a street demonstration. That is why she threatens to severely punish not only the demonstrators, but also the "curious". This curiosity of the people hides the main danger for the authorities ...
    Today's "curious" tomorrow as a demonstrator will gather new groups of "curious" around him. And such "curious" today in every major city, there are tens of thousands. The Russian resident no longer hides as before, having heard that riots are taking place somewhere. Today he aspires to the place of riots and is "curious": what is the cause of these riots, for the sake of which so many people substitute their backs for Cossack whips.
    Under these conditions, the “curious” cease to listen indifferently to the whistle of whips and sabers, the “curious” see that the demonstrators have gathered in the street in order to express their desires and demands, while the authorities are responding to them with beating and brutal suppression. The "curious" no longer runs away from the whistle of the whistles, but, on the contrary, comes closer, and the whip can no longer make out where the simple "curious" ends and where the "rebel" begins. Now the whip, observing "complete democratic equality", without distinguishing between sex, age and even class, walks on the backs of both. By doing this, the whip is doing us a great service, accelerating the revolutionization of the curious. From a weapon of tranquility, it becomes a weapon of awakening.
    Therefore, even if street demonstrations do not give us direct results, even though the strength of the demonstrators today is still very weak in order to force the authorities to immediately make concessions to the people's demands with this force, the sacrifices we make today in street demonstrations will be reimbursed a hundredfold. Each wrestler who has fallen in the struggle or is torn out of our camp is raising hundreds of new wrestlers. We will be beaten on the street more than once, more than once the government will emerge victorious from street battles. But it will be a "Pyrrhic victory." A few more such victories - and the defeat of absolutism is inevitable. With today's victory, he is preparing defeat for himself. And we, firmly convinced that this day will come, that this day is not far off, we go under the blows of nuts in order to sow the seeds of political agitation and socialism.
    I.V. Stalin, "The Russian Social Democratic Party and its Immediate Tasks" 1901 // Works., Vol. 1, p. 26-28.
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 40
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    Either Russia will become a country of the Soviets, or it will be a colony of Western countries "J.V. Stalin
    newspaper "Pravda" 05.06.1917/XNUMX/XNUMX
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 42
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    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/mem/pravda-o-staline-ot-posla-ssha-bratsia-perevodit-ili-net-5e163cbeddfef600b093b3d4?&dbr=1
    The Truth About Stalin from the US Ambassador. To undertake to translate or not
    Friends! Warm greetings! Found an amazing 1941 book about the USSR. This book dispels many myths from the current Svanidze and Latynins. And about the tyrant Stalin, and about the terrible repression of the Trotskyists and about the oppressed and intimidated Soviet people. You will not find this book in Russian on the Internet, although in the United States at one time it was published in almost a million copies.
    It is all the more interesting that this book was written by an open enemy, a capitalist, a millionaire and a personal friend of US President Roosevelt. We are talking about the American after in the USSR Joseph Davis.
    This is the only foreign diplomat to be awarded the highest award of the USSR - the Order of Lenin. He stayed with us as an ambassador for a very short time, two years, but what a! His embassy took place in 1937 and 1938. The midst of the repression.
    Moreover, Davis is not a professional diplomat. When he was appointed ambassador, his uncle was in his sixty-first year. All his life he worked as a criminal lawyer and never attended receptions at the embassies.
    In the Union, Davis made it a rule to go to all open trials of Trotskyists, pests, conspirators and spies. And the verdict of a professional lawyer is amazing. Davis writes bluntly - I have no doubts about the guilt of these people. I was completely convinced of the reality of sabotage and sabotage in factories. I see how the hands of German, British, Japanese intelligence services are reaching out to the young Soviet republic!
    The opinions about the Soviet people and the Communist Party from the mouth of the capitalist Davis are completely unexpected. His dry and truthful reports to the government are in stark contrast to official American propaganda against the narrow-minded and brutal Bolsheviks.
    Davis traveled through most of our production areas. He held hundreds of meetings, including with American engineers and consultants, which were enough for large construction sites. And his conclusions are striking - nowhere in the world has there been such a rapid industrial growth! Amazing successes of "these Russians".
    No wonder that as soon as Roosevelt dies, Davis's book will be cursed in the United States. When the witch-hunt breaks out in the United States, the Commission on Anti-American Activities starts to work in full force, real repression against communist sympathizers will unleash ... Then Davis's book and the film shot by Warner Bros. in 1943 will become the subject of the most close scrutiny.
    It is impossible, in no case should you write the truth about the Soviet Union. And even worse is the story of Ambassador Davis about his own Western world.
    The ambassador directly describes how Britain, France and the United States also pushed Hitler to the War with Russia. It directly shows how all Stalin's proposals for collective security were swept under the carpet.
    For some reason, Davis is convinced that listen to the US policy to his desperate calls and declare America and Russia their firm intention to repulse the fascists - there was simply no World War! But the United States was thinking about something else.
    It should come as no surprise that both the director of the film and the entire film crew narrowly escaped prison in the United States. And Davis himself essentially fell into disgrace and lived out his days in the wilderness.
    Davis does not hesitate to report how strong Nazi propaganda was in the US ruling circles. Not even President Roosevelt could do anything about it. Realizing the need to unite with the Soviet Union against Hitler, Roosevelt ran into a blank wall of capital.
    The big War in Europe was monstrously beneficial to the American capitalists. It was life-giving air, salvation from the sweltering and hungry years of the Great Depression. And the capitalists did not want to see or hear anything. Money now, millions of dollars, and what will happen tomorrow is not important. America is far away and will never be hurt by this War.
    Even the Japanese bombs that generously sprinkled the military base at Pearl Harbor did not shake this position. Roosevelt instructs the already retired ambassador to travel around the United States. Davis performs a lot at various venues. His main idea is that when the USSR is gone, Hitler will take over us, over America!
    And Davis will receive his Order of Lenin not for a book that is kind to the USSR. And not for an honest display of the processes of 1937-1938. No, his Order is well deserved by others.
    It was the work of Davis, the capitalist, the enemy, the staunch opponent of socialism, that helped convince the American elites of the inevitability of a Second Front. The importance of providing lend-lease to the Soviet Union. In the fact that it is necessary to fight not against the USSR, but against the most terrible plague of all world history - against Nazism.
    No, this cannot be forgiven. He was not forgiven. Today, for example, you will not find the movie "Mission to Moscow" on the American YouTube. But the film is just great! You won't find it, that's all.
    Recently, a copy appeared on torrents in a clumsy Russian translation, and nothing more. Nor can you find a true Davis book with the same title. His official memoirs for the American people about the great Soviet people. There is no text of this book on the Internet, just not. Neither Russian nor English. Is that in the section of bibliographic rarities.
    No need to read to a modern American about the successes of socialism! With a sharp nail in his boot, they prick his giant factories and dams, built in ten years by a country that has taken up a volume of Marx and Engels!
    It hurts to read about a free Soviet woman. Against the background of American ladies of the forties, whose place is exactly in accordance with the German proverb - the kitchen, the church, the kinders. Davis writes how he was struck in Leningrad by a girl - a steam locomotive driver. How was it, he could not believe, a girl with an engineering degree?
    We are generally silent about women who run large factories, people's commissariats, and districts. Every time Davis is surprised like a child.
    The ambassador of the House of Pioneers absolutely amazes the imagination of the magnificent, free palaces for children. The palaces, in which children are taught, developed, make it possible to study the basics of any profession. From gymnastics to designing airplanes!
    Having attended military exercises, Davis writes about the excellent training of the Red Army. About high fighting spirit and devotion to their homeland. When asked by his colleagues whether "these Russians" will not scatter during the first German volleys, Davis answers firmly - these people will surprise you!
    How high characteristics the ambassador gives to Stalin is even more surprising. We are faced with an intelligent and cautious politician, a man unconditionally loyal to his country and people, a true Soviet leader. Let me remind you that this is written by the enemy, the capitalist, who was simply allowed to write the truth.
    The year of Victory will come, Roosevelt will leave and these permissions will dissolve into nothingness. And Davis's book will become taboo, even shameful. That is why you cannot find that million printed books today. After Fullton, the usual downpour of anti-Soviet brainwashing will again pour down on the American man in the street.
    It’s surprising that Davis’s book isn’t published here. Here is a real document of the era! Written in hot pursuit, published in 1941, when all the characters here they are, are alive and have not left the political scene at all. And no one raised their voices that something was described incorrectly in the ambassador's book.
    No, no, there is nothing to argue with, the ambassador relies on documents and his own observations. You just don’t need to talk about it. Neither in the USA, nor, as it turns out, in our country. Not necessary, that's all. Forgetting the rare voice of a true story as a misunderstanding. As if there was neither Ambassador Davis nor the Mission to Moscow.
    Strongly understands himself to take and make a high-quality translation of Davis's memoirs into Russian. Yes, and post the voice acting on my YouTube channel. You look, reading this capitalist and not at all a friend of Russia will open the eyes of the young generation. Much more truthful reading than the tales of Radzinsky or Solzhenitsyn.
    The work is big, the book has almost half a thousand pages. If you support, if you are interested, I will undertake it, I will do it for you. If not, it’s not worth wasting time. So, write in the comments if you are interested in seeing the translation of this book on my channel. Will pick up pretty much - you have to shake the old days and sit down at the dictionaries.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 March 2021 08: 54
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      Quote: Alimzhan Juraev
      The work is big, the book has almost half a thousand pages. If you support, if you are interested, I will undertake it, I will do it for you. If not, it’s not worth wasting time. So, write in the comments if you are interested in seeing the translation of this book on my channel. Will pick up pretty much - you have to shake the old days and sit down at the dictionaries.

      To begin with, post here a brief excerpt from the book, especially the processes of 1937-1938. This would be very helpful given Davis' legal experience.
      Quote: Alimzhan Juraev
      It's amazing that Davis's book is not published here

      Today, almost all historical research in Russia is monographs by authors published at their expense.
      Something tells me that you too will have to fight for the copyright of the translation of the book of the former American ambassador.
      Good luck!
      hi
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 7 March 2021 08: 44
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    Some of the gods do not like Stalin, they consider him the inspirer of the murders of church ministers.
    In this regard, I would like to cite the opinion of one priest, who cites two documents:
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    EXTRACT FROM THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE POLITBURO OF THE CC dated 12.09.33
    1. In the period from 20-30 years in Moscow and on the territory of adjacent areas, 150 churches were completely destroyed. 300 of them (the rest) have been converted into factory workshops, clubs, hostels, prisons, isolation wards and colonies for teenagers and street children.
    Architectural development plans include the demolition of more than 500 remaining structures of churches and churches.
    On the basis of the above, the Central Committee considers it impossible to design buildings due to the destruction of temples and churches, which should be considered architectural monuments of ancient Russian architecture.
    The organs of Soviet power and the workers 'and peasants' militia are obliged to take measures up to disciplinary and party responsibility for the protection of architectural monuments of ancient Russian architecture
    Secretary of the Central Committee I. Stalin

    EXTRACT FROM THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE POLITBURO OF THE CC dated 11.11.39
    Religion issues
    In relation to religion, the ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and Orthodox believers, the Central Committee decides:
    1) In the future, it is deemed inappropriate to practice the NKVD organs of the USSR with regard to the arrests of ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and the persecution of believers.

    2) The instruction of Comrade Ulyanov (Lenin) of May 1, 1919, No. 13666-2 "On the fight against priests and religion", addressed to the previous. The Cheka to comrade Dzerzhinsky and all the relevant instructions from the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD concerning the persecution of the ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and Orthodox believers - to cancel.
    3) The NKVD to conduct an audit of convicted and arrested citizens in cases related to worship. Release from custody and replace the punishment with non-custodial sentences for convicted persons for the indicated reasons, if the activities of these citizens did not harm the Soviet regime.
    4) The question of the fate of believers in custody and in prisons belonging to other faiths will be decided further by the Central Committee.
    Secretary of the Central Committee I. Stalin
    A careful reading of these documents makes it clear who Stalin was, what role he played in saving Orthodox churches from final destruction, and how he managed to save the lives of, if not many, then important leaders of the Orthodox Church. Moreover, it should be borne in mind that on the initiative of Lenin (read - and Trotsky), the total destruction of churches and the destruction of Russian Orthodox people was started. Stalin canceled this: in the minutes of the Politburo meeting it was written - CANCEL.
    You need to imagine what kind of struggle this man waged in order to "build socialism in one country" to raise Russia into a huge power that defeated fascism, and now after Stalin's death lies in ruins. Stalin was not immediately recognized as a Russian genius, it was no coincidence that he possessed modesty and unmercension, moral foundations. We, Orthodox people, who have experienced persecution for their faith, need to forget the insult, as befits Christians, and look at everything with due attention and love.
    I'll tell you about myself. I, too, did not understand Stalin properly, and in my youthful poems I wrote: "And you seem to me the executioner who killed them, the very first", now I am ready to posthumously ask his forgiveness.
    No, he was not an executioner, he saved many lives, such as Sholokhov, he should have already been killed, and only Stalin's timely intervention saved him. He also saved Bulgakov, maybe also from death, and Pasternak and others. This list can be long, later impartial historians need to figure it out. And I, who sat under Stalin and Brezhnev, like Vladyka Luka, is ready to exclaim: "Stalin is the God-given leader of Russia."
    Stalin's legacy must be studied and studied in order to better understand how we can save Russia. Our enemies understand this before we do, and that's why they pour such dirt on him that because of it we don't see who he is.
    Father Dimitri (Dudko) about Stalin "
  • Growlers
    Growlers 9 March 2021 17: 07
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    The most interesting thing is that under Khrushchev, the cases of the repressed for political reasons were destroyed, and a certificate was put into the daddy, they say, he was rehabilitated. This is more like "covering up the tracks", it is not for nothing that in general Khrushchev is an undetected and, accordingly, not finished Trotskyist. And the voluntarism in which he was accused is pure Trotskyism.
  • Vladimir Izbyakov
    Vladimir Izbyakov 26 March 2021 17: 24
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    article - a solid myth about the kindness of Stalin