Who killed Stalin? What is the connection between the murder of Stalin and the "Mingrelian affair" of 1951-1953?

Who killed Stalin in 1953?

Could the "Mingrelian affair" of 1951-1953 end with the resettlement of Mingrelians from Mingrelia to Central Asia and Kazakhstan?

In order to save their own skin, could the accomplices of 500 state criminals in the "Mingrelian case", including the chief Mingrelian Lavrenty Beria, have taken part in the murder of Stalin?

Why was Lavrenty Beria shot during his arrest? Is it because he did not say at the trial that he had participated in the murder of Stalin together with Nikita Khrushchev?

Mingrelian case

The "Mingrelian affair" is a case started in November 1951 by the State Security authorities of the Georgian SSR in relation to senior officials from Mingrelia.

In the middle of 1951, the Minister of the State Security of the Georgian SSR N.M. Rukhadze received information about the facts of bribery on the part of the prosecutors of Georgia (in most Mingrelians), which was reported to Stalin. On November 9, 1951, the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks issued a decision on the presence in the GSSR of a "Mingrelo-nationalist group" headed by Baramia. The very next day, arrests were made of the highest prosecutors and party leaders of Georgia, Beria's nominees: Baramia M.I. - 2nd Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of the Georgian SSR; Shonia V.Ya. - Prosecutor of the Georgian SSR; Bziava K.P. - Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the Georgian SSR; Rapava A.N. - Minister of Internal Affairs of the Georgian SSR; Sharia P.A. - Academician of the Academy of Sciences of the Georgian SSR.

In 1951-1953, at least 500 more people were arrested in the Mingrelian case, including 7 out of 11 members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Georgia, 427 secretaries of regional, city and district party committees.

The "Mingrelian case" was directed personally against Lavrenty Beria. As proof of this fact, let us cite the words of Sergei Khrushchev. Sergey Khrushchev in his book “Nikita Khrushchev. Reformer ”writes, we quote:

“Beria is a Mingrelian by nationality. Stalin personally followed the investigation.

When he was reported on the progress of the case, he more than once unambiguously "advised" the investigators: "Look for the Big Mingrel."

That is, Stalin demanded that the investigators find the main conspirator: Lavrenty Beria.

On Stalin's personal instructions, the investigation of the "Mingrelian affair" was supervised by the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Georgian SSR, Akaki Mgeladze.

Minister of State Security of the Georgian SSR N.M. Rukhadze and his subordinates were able to get confessions from some of the arrested that they, on the instructions of foreign intelligence services, carried out subversive work, trying to seize leading posts in the republic, and then tear Georgia away from the Soviet Union.

That is, the conspirators were charged with such charges, for which at that time the capital punishment was due - execution.

The first question

But suddenly the criminal prosecution of state criminals in the "Mingrelian case" was terminated.

Stalin died unexpectedly on March 3, 1953. Presumably he was killed.

State criminals in the "Mingrelian case" were released.

The first question arises:

“If Stalin had not died on March 3, 1953, what would have happened?

All 500 Mingrelian state criminals arrested in the Mingrelian case would have been shot or not? "

We answer the question:

“Yes, if Stalin had not died on March 3, 1953, all 500 Mingrelian state criminals arrested in the Mingrelian case would have been shot. All 500 ".

The second question

By the way, six months after Stalin's death, many conspirators in the "Mingrelian case" were arrested again, some were shot, already as members of the "Beria gang".

That is, until March 3, 1953, they were, as it were, innocent sheep. Stalin allegedly slandered them. And after March 3, 1953, suddenly these innocent lambs became such evil wolves that they had to be shot? Well, and logic.

Let us recall that in the 1930s – 1940s, dozens of peoples were deported. Let's take into account that, according to the materials of the "Mingrelian case", the anti-state conspiracy had a huge scale, among the arrested 500 state criminals were 7 out of 11 members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Georgia, 427 secretaries of regional, city and district party committees, who, in turn, obviously had other "Accomplices". And we also recall that, according to the memoirs of Sergei Khrushchev, Stalin personally followed the investigation and more than once unambiguously advised the investigators:

Look for the Big Mingrel.

That is, Stalin demanded that the investigators find the main conspirator - Lavrenty Beria?

Based on the above, a second question arises:

"Within the limits of the criminal prosecution of state criminals in the" Mingrelian case ", could Stalin have sent the entire population of Mingrelia to Central Asia and Kazakhstan?"

We answer the second question:

"Yes".

Third question

Note that the accomplices of 500 state criminals in the "Mingrelian case" (including the main Mingrelian - Lavrenty Beria) were in mortal danger.

And it doesn't matter: was Lavrenty Beria really leading the conspiracy or not? The main thing is that Stalin thought so. In other words, at that moment it was Lavrenty Beria who was in mortal danger.

And also, take into account that the main Mingrelian Lavrenty Beria at that time had a huge influence among the members of Stalin's entourage. In other words, he could well have organized the assassination (presumably poisoning) of Stalin.

Based on this, a third question arises:

"In order to save their own skin, could the accomplices of 500 state criminals in the Mingrelian case, including the chief Mingrelian Lavrenty Beria, have taken part in the murder of Stalin?"

We answer the question:

"Yes".

Fourth question

Let's keep in mind that, according to the widespread version, Lavrenty Beria was shot during his arrest.

Presumably, a figurehead was brought before the court. According to eyewitnesses who tried to speak to the defendant in Mingrelian, this figurehead did not understand a word of what he was told in Mingrelian.

Then, of course, the fourth question arises:

“Why was Lavrenty Beria shot during his arrest?

Is it because he did not say at the trial that he participated in the murder of Stalin together with Nikita Khrushchev? "

We answer the question:

"Yes, in all likelihood, Lavrenty Beria was shot during his arrest so that he did not say at the trial that he participated in the murder of Stalin together with Nikita Khrushchev."

Comments

[Uncle lee]

Mingrelian case

The author asks questions and answers them himself ...
"You go, check him out" ....

[210ox]

What is the absurdity of the author.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 210ox

What is the absurdity of the author.

The whole article is nonsense

[Sailor]

Except for one thing, that Stalin did not die of his own laugh.

[Lipchanin]

Is this proven by someone and something?

[Blacksmith 55]

I don’t know about the poisoning, there are no official materials yet.
But the fact that he was not provided with urgent medical care is known.

[Boris55]

Stalin had the 4th heart attack. No one could save him. Everything else is speculation.

[zenion]

Not a heart attack Boris, but a stroke. He carried two on his feet during the war. One after the war, and this was the last.

[nedgen]

Not a heart attack, but Insult and not the 4th, but the third. And there are too many coincidences and simple coincidences are more than one not coincidence, but already very solid doubts. Firstly, Vlasik was framed, and secondly, on that fateful evening, allegedly Stalin himself sent EVERYONE TO SLEEP, which he NEVER DOED and all this, according to the guard (he came to the rest of the staff and said that Stalin sent everyone to sleep) who for some reason SUDDENLY died just a few months after J.V. Stalin. Then no one became interested that Stalin did not get up at normal time, which also NEVER DOES. and then the doctors arrived with a HUGE delay and behaved somehow strangely. For example, I don't need more evidence. Especially if we consider the circumstances preceding all of these.

[Comrade Kim]

About "speculation" is well written in the book by S. Kagan "The Kremlin Wolf".
The interested parties replaced the medicine with a placebo and waited for the Great Stalin to die.
There is an interesting passage in the book that explains Evgei Kaganovich's fierce hatred of Orthodoxy and the Cossacks. After an insignificant everyday episode he saw in childhood, Kaganovich took revenge on the Cossacks and Orthodox people all his life.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

But the fact that he was not provided with urgent medical care is known.

It is known. But this does not mean yet that he was killed
When a person choked on something and no one helped him, this does not mean that he was killed

[Blacksmith 55]

Boris and Lipchanin, I do not know how it was legislatively at that time, but nowadays they are attracted for failure to provide medical care.
Whether you do it yourself, call, shout loudly, or run to the hospital, it doesn't matter. It is necessary to call a doctor as soon as possible, especially in case of signs of cerebral hemorrhage, and the sooner help is provided, the better.
And Stalin's comrades-in-arms waited and thought when he would throw his hooves.
In general, I have a double attitude towards Stalin, on the one hand, I restored the USSR after the revolution and war, and on the other hand, repression.

[Lipchanin]

in our time, they are attracted for failure to provide medical care.

And it is right
But there is a difference between killing and not helping.
And the articles of the Criminal Code are different

And Stalin's comrades-in-arms waited and thought when he would throw his hooves.

Yes, they were all afraid of him to death, and each of them secretly already tried on his position

[Tima62]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

in our time, they are attracted for failure to provide medical care.
Whether you do it yourself, call, shout loudly, or run to the hospital, it doesn't matter.

It is, and very important.
Recently I attended first aid courses. The first thing they say is
The legal side
first aid
 Providing first aid is your RIGHT, not
duty!
 An exception is made by medical professionals
rescuers, firefighters, police, military.
 An unconscious person can be helped
 If a person is conscious - you need to ask (- you
help? ). If he refuses, you cannot help.
 If the victim is dangerous, help
better not to render
 No need to obtain consent for suicidal attempts
 You cannot exceed your qualifications: you cannot give
(prescribe) any medication, you cannot produce
any medical manipulations (to correct dislocations and
etc.)
The days of the Sandruzhins are over.

[Blacksmith 55]

Different countries have different laws.

[nedgen]

In general, I have a twofold attitude towards Stalin, on the one hand, I restored the USSR after the revolution and war, and on the other hand, repression

Well, in general, you are right about reprisals. There were repressions, BUT it's all about scale. Over the entire period in the USSR, fewer people were repressed than, for example, now in the United States for the same period. and there were also many enemies. And do not say that, for example, there are no mistakes in the USA or they are few. According to some research, 20% of all executed death sentences later turned out to be errors. But there were only 20% political in the Gulag, and there was crime in the Russian Empire and then in the USSR. And I hope you won't deny it. Especially after the Second World War. And the same situation was after the civil one. If not worse. And the traitors to Bandera, Hitler's policemen, also had to be kept somewhere. So choooo. In my opinion, there was no other way out at that time.

[ver_]

... the poison is decumarin .., but - everything is poison and everything is medicine ... - the main thing is the dose .. if the dose is exceeded - death .. The pharmacists know this very well .., but no one needed it anymore .. Operation Big Mengrel ended .. Under attack were - Beria, Koganovichi (sister and brother) .., Khrushchev was still a small swimmer .. but as an intriguer ..

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Lipchanin

The whole article is nonsense

Totally agree with you. The article is sheer nonsense and speculation. However, now this is often printed for the sake of hype.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

However, now this is often printed for the sake of hype.

I have already said, not an article, but a continuous "highlighted"

[zenion]

This happens when they ride a bike without a helmet and suddenly the wall and brakes have failed. If there were a helmet, then he would not suffer, because it would drive his head into the chest and he would look out of there like a bird or a rabbit.

[aybolyt678]

after reading the book by E. Prudnikova - "The Last Battle of Lavrenty Beria", it does not even look like nonsense and absurdity, but the whistle and babble of an aborted female reptilian

[astepanov]

If you make a dozen unprovable assumptions, then you can justify any version. I just think that the KGB of the USSR made a "newbie" and a time machine, and gave the poison to Molotov so that he would pour it into the Leader of the Nations in his pants. And Beria was torn to pieces by American black women-feminists - for not inviting them to gatherings in his office, and indeed his fame Donuzhan turned out to be a phony. And Khrushchev is a protege of the SBU and Zelensky personally. And Khrushchev merged Crimea Outskirts at the behest of Biden. Or Truman - the devil can take them apart. Maybe it's one face.

[atos_kin]

The question arises:

Wasn't the author writing nonsense?

The answer is yes.

[Catfish]

All these speculative arguments are based only on the book by Sergei Khrushchev “Nikita Khrushchev. Reformer"?
No serious documents, almost one "water". It is completely unclear for what purpose this, if I may say so, article is here.

[Far B]

Yeah, I also had, let's say, "the fifth question": is it possible to trust the words of Sergei Khrushchev, who is a super-interested person, given who his daddy was and, importantly, who has turned to the States?
Well, and to the heap:

427 secretaries of regional, city and district party committees

Are all secretaries? And in the whole of Georgia, were there so many committees? It is somehow difficult to imagine, even taking into account the fact that there were three secretaries for each committee.

[Catfish]

Are all secretaries?

Rightly noticed, Mikhail - it will be a bit too much.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Dalny V

Are all secretaries? And were there so many committees in all of Georgia?

It can be easily calculated. 64 districts, 27 cities (5 not of district subordination), 3 republics (regions).
Sturgeon needs to be cut ... and much

[Far B]

Sturgeon needs to be cut ... and much more smile

unless in proud Georgia every second secretary is ... coma. They say evil tongues that in one small Georgia there were more princes than in the rest of RI. Maybe the same garbage with the secretaries? Mysterious people ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dalny V

They say evil tongues that in one small Georgia there were more princes than in the rest of RI.

Yes, like "thieves in law"
There, almost every aul had its own "prince"

[the finish]

and thieves in law in every entrance ...

[Lipchanin]

And their relatives in every apartment ...

[Barmal]

Quote: Far In

Sturgeon needs to be cut ... and much more smile

unless in proud Georgia every second secretary is ... coma. They say evil tongues that in one small Georgia there were more princes than in the rest of RI. Maybe the same garbage with the secretaries? Mysterious people ...

each secretary had his own secretary or two, then more Komsomol secretaries can be pasted into the number of those arrested. since party secretaries supervised the Komsomol, and those had their own subordinates, so the sturgeon was not the largest possible

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Odyssey

27 Cities

and how many city district committees?
in one Tbilisi 16

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dalny V

screwed into the states

That his daddy hated

[Far B]

That his daddy hated

Or pretended ... American papa inserted corn not childishly

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dalny V

Or pretended ...

Yes, I seriously hated it. I hated that people there lived much better than in the USSR.
And no matter how much he puffed up, he could not raise to such a level of life

American daddy inserted corn not childishly

And not only corn. He licked a lot of things from there

[Far B]

people there lived much better than in the USSR

But are you serious now? They lived there better than in the USSR people or Mr. Twisters? In terms of welfare, there was relative parity between the average American and a citizen of the USSR before the abolition of the gold standard by Omeriga (despite the fact that the skating rink of war rolled across the USSR, and nifiga did not roll around Omeriga, but the war brought her a huge profit). In terms of social security, the USSR had an awesome advantage. Besides, the time of Khrushchev is, by the way, the time of the "witch hunt" in Omerig. So shta ...

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

In terms of welfare, there was relative parity between the average American and a citizen of the USSR before the abolition of the gold standard by Omeriga (despite the fact that the skating rink of war rolled across the USSR, and nifiga did not roll around Omeriga, but the war brought her a huge profit).

You should at least read Ilf and Petrov ...

[Far B]

Oops ... Ilf and Petrov caught the times of Kukuruzo? This is news to me. Mr. Shpakovsky again burns nonetz

[kalibr]

We are talking about the standard of living in the United States in the mid-30s. During the war years, it increased even more. And here it has not increased, by no means. Barracks and dugouts were a normal occurrence, right up to the Khrushchevs. Before you write, try to read at least such a magazine as "USA and Canada", "Rodina" (there are interesting materials about our life). And then you get it. About how in our country hospitals were built at that time for 8 years, patients were lying on the floor, and what other problems there were - I already gave material here for the OK KPSS Penza Oblast for 1963.

[Far B]

It's about the standard of living in the United States in the mid-30s

In your head? The article is about the "assassination of Stalin" and the beginning of the Kukuruso era.
Yes, and this ... The mid-30s in the United States is the height of the Great Depression. Millions work for dollar a day and chowder... demographic losses are still unknown.

You before you write

You, before you write, try to include a thinker. Education of a propagandist does not guarantee you from anything.

About how in our country hospitals were built at that time for 8 years, patients were lying on the floor, and what other problems there were

They were built - the key. Didn't close. Health care has evolved.

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

Millions work for a dollar a day and a soup.

Thirty dollars a day at that time was more than 300 rubles. in the USSR at that time. But who then received such a salary? Once again "One-story America" ​​Ilf and Petrov. "Poisoned feather" (VO) - "Three roads of the Bolshevik press. Feuilletons ..."

Quote: Dalny V

Health care has evolved.

It developed and develops in Zimbabwe too. It is important how.

[Lipchanin]

Quite. I was not fond of ideology where there are all the "bourgeois", and we have all the "proletarians".
America came out of WWII strengthened, we left the country in ruins and for many years recovered

In terms of social security, the USSR had an awesome advantage

What does social security have to do with living standards?
Did you stand in line for bread in kilometer long lines?
And me and my mother in the early 60s stood because they gave 1 loaf in their hands and she took me with her.
And did you see the stampedes in the queues for cereals that were given 1 kg each?
Have you forgotten the word "deficit"? Did they know such a word in America?

this, by the way, is the time of the "witch hunt" in Omerig.

And this also affected the standard of living?
Are there fewer items in the store?

[Far B]

What does social security have to do with living standards?

Chew? Put it in your mouth? Or maybe - yourself?

Are there fewer items in the store?

Availability of goods in the store - it is not possible to purchase this product.

Have you forgotten the word "deficit"?

Perfect illustration for the previous quote. There was no shortage in Omerig - because the overwhelming majority simply did not have enough money for the goods they liked. On the contrary, we had money, but not enough goods for all. Hence the "deficit". Feel the difference. It's just that the party's policy was not up to par on this issue (and I never claimed that it was perfect - everyone is mistaken) - category B products were pushed into the background. Deficiency legs grow from there. But this, again, is the merit of Bald Cob, which slammed the handicraftsmen and the artel production, which provided the population of the USSR with light industry goods (the first TV in the Union was not made at a state-owned enterprise; many orders during the Second World War were carried out by artel workers). When you turn on the slander, doze out the information given out, otherwise you sometimes look funny. On the site, after all, not small children, but people who know how to analyze, because they received education just in Soviet times.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dalny V

Chew? Put it in your mouth? Or maybe - yourself?

If you have something to chew?
Don't confuse a guaranteed pension, a guaranteed vacation, etc., this is social.
It has nothing to do with the availability of goods in the store

Availability of goods in the store - it is not possible to purchase this product.

Does its absence guarantee?

When you turn on the slander, dose the information given out,

I turn on my memory first

but sometimes you look funny.

No funnier than you with your mossy ideology and division of people into "bourgeois" and "proletarians"
Smells of naphthalene

[Far B]

If you have something to chew?

No idea. This is for your dentist.

What does social security have to do with living standards?

guaranteed pension, guaranteed vacation, etc., this is social.

The above two quotes are yours. Do you think that the above has nothing to do with the standard of living? I don't understand what the cockroaches are doing in your head. If only they put things in order.

No funnier than you with your mossy ideology and division of people into "bourgeois" and "proletarians"

"According to a study by Global Wealth of the international consulting company BCG, more than half of the savings of Russian citizens are concentrated in the hands of dollar millionaires. The amount of savings owned by the super-rich Russians - with a fortune of more than $ 100 million, is 40%. This is the largest indicator in the world: on average in Eastern Europe, it is 28%, and worldwide - 12%. In second place in the total volume of private capital in Russia are citizens with a fortune of up to 250 thousand dollars (39%).

Meanwhile, 20,9 million Russians live below the poverty line: their incomes are below the subsistence level. According to Rosstat, in 2019 2,9% of Russians have an accrued wage of less than 11 rubles - the minimum wage (minimum wage). According to statistics, most Russians (280%) receive a salary in the amount of 19,5 - 22,5 thousand rubles. In second place are salaries in the range of 31,6 - 31,6 thousand (40%), in third - 19,5-40 thousand (50%). Data on the average per capita money income of the population (money income per one Russian citizen) show that a quarter of the country's residents have a monthly income of 12,1 to 10 thousand rubles. 19% of the population have an income of less than 12 thousand rubles. "
Do you think it smells like mothballs? And I suppose it smells like a Russian revolt. Senseless and merciless.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dalny V

No idea. This is for your dentist.

No, to yours. You offer me something to chew

I don't understand what the cockroaches are doing in your head.

Cockroaches have mixed social and living standards into one heap
I will not repeat again
Social

Social security system, social benefits, privileges; some l. social program.

Standard of living

The standard of living of the population is determined, on the one hand, by the composition and magnitude of the needs for various benefits in life (food, clothing, housing, transport, various utilities and household services, education, medical care, cultural and educational activities, etc.).

Get rid of your cockroaches, then maybe we'll continue

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

people who can analyze

It's cool, of course. "Mighty great Russian language." If you analyze the way you write. Then yes ... we will always be ahead of the whole planet!

[Unknown]

Quote: Lipchanin

Did you stand in line for bread in kilometer long lines?
And me and my mother in the early 60s stood because they gave 1 loaf in their hands and she took me with her.
And did you see the stampedes in the queues for cereals that were given 1 kg each?

I always treated such statements with suspicion. Now for sausage, then for bread, kilometer lines in the early 60s ?! Which city was it during the blockade? The crush for cereals in those days is nonsense. Since 64, I have been an elder brother since 58, and when my mother sent me to the store for bread, I was about five years old, my brother used to say, well, I was running in your years, well, I had to, not any queues and there was no trace. Come, little change on the counter, here's a loaf, here's a loaf. Dad somehow brought him to work, he was 7 years old, so in the working dining room, in general, there was sliced ​​bread on the tables, and white and black - free. that was until the beginning of the 80s .. In schools, too, there was always free. Kilometer-long queues for bread. Did your mother work? So there were working canteens, and in your kindergarten there were also interruptions in bread ?. There is no need to hait so much. Soviet power is too much.

[AUL]

Quote: Unknown

I always treated such statements with suspicion. Now for sausage, then for bread, kilometer lines in the early 60s ?!

And in vain! There may not have been any kilometer-long queues, but I had to bump into queues for bread twice. In the early 50s ("one loaf in hand", my mother took my sister and me to the bakery), and in the 60s, when there was a poor harvest and Khrushchev's corn bread appeared on coupons. And 2 - 3 hours in a supermarket in Moscow stuck in lines for sausage, meat and other shortages was normal in the 80s. Near peripheral shops (such as in Novogireevo, Novokosino, Ivankovo, Perovo) and so on, there were usually several buses from Vladimir, Kalinin (now Tver) with shuttles. Not to mention the "tourists" near Moscow. Imagine what it was like to shop in these cities themselves! I repeat, this in Moscow in the 80s!

[Unknown]

I don’t know, at the beginning of the 50s, wasn’t born yet, and it wasn’t listed in the project either, but the cards were canceled in 47, and from about that year, there are no references, documents, about interruptions with bread in cities, and especially in Moscow. ..

The supply of Moscow was monitored very closely at the very top, at all times ....... in a supermarket in Moscow it was normal to stand in lines for sausage, meat and other shortages in the 80s. Near peripheral stores (such as in Novogireevo, Novokosino, Ivankovo, Perovo) and so on, there were usually several buses from Vladimir, Kalinin (now Tver) with shuttles. Not to mention the "tourists" near Moscow. Imagine what it was like to shop in these cities themselves! I repeat, this is in Moscow in the 80s! [/ Quote]
For the end of the 70s, and for the 80s, my memory has not been knocked back yet. I often did not visit Moscow only on the way, to serve in S.A., but to visit. But in St. Petersburg I often had to visit, and at the end of the 70s, and we can say still. But I haven’t seen, and I don’t remember the queues of sausage, not on Ligovsky Prospekt, not in Avtovo, not on Prospekt Mira. Why do you need 10-15 loaves of boiled sausage !? What to do with them? This is a perishable product, and you don’t eat a lot of it, and if you eat half a loaf, you don’t eat. Whoever served in the Army remembers that there was no old age sausage in the dry ration, there was zero sense from it. I can admit that smoked, semi-smoked could be taken in reserve, but it is not stored forever. Leaves were taken for resale, or rather speculation from yourself at home. Then you won't stock up on any goods.

[Sergej1972]

Sometimes they took several sticks of sausage for their relatives.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dalny V

Are all secretaries? And in the whole of Georgia, were there so many committees? It is somehow difficult to imagine, even taking into account the fact that there were three secretaries for each committee.

theoretically quite, the district of the city has already for each city several district secretaries

[sniperino]

Quote: Dalny V

427 secretaries of regional, city and district party committees
Are all secretaries? And were there so many committees in all of Georgia?

Only if secretaries of primary party organizations were added here "on the sly". There could have been more then.

[Simargl]

Quote: Dalny V

And in the whole of Georgia, were there so many committees? It is somehow difficult to imagine, even taking into account the fact that there were three secretaries for each committee.

Yes, they have more princes there than the population. And with the local mentality ... I guess it's less than half.

[nnm]

1. Historians say that the anonymous appeal was transmitted to Stalin through his daughter Svetlana, but certainly not through the minister. And they are inclined to believe that Stalin himself was the initiator of this letter. But not to remove Beria and judge, but what to check before making a successor - to see how he behaves in such a situation and to have leverage in the future.
2. To refer to the memories of Khrushchev's son, who was born in 1935, is, of course, strong. In his "memories" he carried many other things. I can see how he, a teenager, is dedicated to all the secrets ..
3. The article itself is almost completely a reprint from Wikipedia, but the author could have looked at the sources of that article - I don’t understand the Frankfurt edition, and so on ... you should get acquainted with more reliable primary sources and authors.
4. Why on earth are conclusions of this magnitude?

We answer the question:

“Yes, if Stalin had not died on March 3, 1953, all 500 Mingrelian state criminals arrested in the Mingrelian case would have been shot. All 500 ".

[nnm]

5.

Let's keep in mind that, according to the widespread version, Lavrenty Beria was shot during his arrest.

- complete nonsense! There is a mass of documentary evidence to the contrary - from the testimony of Beria, written with his own hand, the daily reports of the guards to applications for pencils, which he ordered for writing documents (they even checked their number with the written text), compared the number of sheets of paper issued, with the pages of documents written by Beria and reports of the guards on the damaged sheets - everything came together. So stop already speculating and composing. There are some fairy tales in each paragraph ...

[depressant]

Colleague nnm, I support.
Lavrenty Pavlovich's services to the USSR are enormous. Iosif Vissarionovich understood this and gave instructions to carefully check the "Main Mengrel" in order to have arguments for his defense and justification. After all, the Mengrelians involved in the conspiracy could slander Beria to remove at least part of the guilt from themselves. Like, it was he, as a person with a serious level of power, who forced us to enter into a conspiracy and, in fact, was its initiator. Stalin knew what he was doing.
Khrushchev killed Beria as a rival in the struggle for power. And the fact that Beria, this extremely intelligent man, showed short-sightedness, turned out to be defenseless and allowed his own murder, just says that he was neither a conspirator nor a murderer of Stalin. He had no time to do such things, he forged the shield of the Motherland.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sea Cat

No serious documents, almost one "water".

Typical OBS report
Not one fact, not one proof

[bayard]

Quote: Sea Cat

It is completely incomprehensible for what purpose this, if I may say so, article is posted here.

To denigrate the name of "the father of the Soviet atomic bomb", the curator of the missile program and the program for the creation of the first Soviet anti-aircraft missile system, the curator of many other programs, including the program of the post-war reconstruction of Moscow and the construction of "Stalin's skyscrapers." Marshal of the Soviet Union (commanded the Caucasian Front during the Second World War).
And who is our accuser?
Traitor to the Motherland!
The son of the enemy of the Soviet and Russian people.
The person who surrendered Port Arthur, Indonesia (!) And our naval bases on the islands in the Danish Straits!
Son of Stalin's killer !!!
And the son of the murderer of Beria himself!
How not to smear your dad, and even speckled a book in the USA!
There is information that Sergei Khrushchev himself (!) Called the American Embassy in Moscow from a telephone booth about Stalin's death.
Of course, on behalf of his dad.
It was HIS daddy that all Soviet counterintelligence was looking for, for our intelligence officers in MI6 reported that one of the high-ranking members of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks was an informant for MI6 and the British government!
But they could not find out the names of the agent.
They were looking for him - Khrushchev!
And he, with the help of his accomplices in the MGB, switched the arrows to the Mengrels, then to the Jewish doctors ... and raised suspicions on Beria.
This is his real - biological father (Sergei's grandfather), a former Polish aristocrat then living in England, brought MI6 to his illegitimate son - during the war, when British intelligence officers were considered allies and felt at ease in Moscow.
And this is his dad - N.S. Khrushchev mortally hated Stalin because he did not cancel the death sentence to his traitorous son, who flew to the side of the Germans on his plane and was later stolen by our scouts on Stalin's personal order.
And shot in front of the line!
Khrushchev crawled on his knees before Stalin, begging him to spare his son ... And he did not forgive his just refusal.
And he took revenge.
And Khrushchev was also in a conspiracy to divide the USSR after Stalin's death (he was waiting for her), and barely made a whistle during the investigation of the so-called. "The Leningrad affair" ... But Stalin was already on suspicion.
Stalin underestimated the insidiousness and vindictiveness of this ghoul ... The health that was undermined during the war also affected ...
And Beria was then completely absorbed in grandiose projects. He laid whole new industries from scratch, developed science, forged the country's nuclear shield ...
And ...
"I wanted to separate Georgia from the USSR" ?!
When was he de facto the second most important, influential and authoritative person in the Country?

Therefore, the question to the editor:
And for what purpose was this libel published?

[smaug78]

Excellent conspiracy theories

[Olgovich]

Quote: Sea Cat

All these speculative arguments are based only on the book by Sergei Khrushchev “Nikita Khrushchev. Reformer"?
No serious documents, almost one "water".

The book can be neglected, but the Mingrelian case was in reality and many of the arrested were Beria's nominees, like Tsanava, the deputy commissar of the USSR Ministry of State Security, filmed from office in 1952

Those. I think there was some potential danger for Beria.

But such a danger hung over absolutely every leader of this rank and for more than a dozen years.

And this does not mean at all that someone planned and did something.

Quote: Sea Cat

No serious documents, almost one "water". It is completely unclear for what purpose this, if I may say so, article is here.

So.

[Dodikson]

Beria has nothing to do with it.
Stalin was removed by the Totskyites, of whom there was also Khrushchoff.
and there is a very high probability that Zhukov is also involved.

[bayard]

Zhukov took part in the murder of Beria.
And involved a number of generals in this crime ... including Brezhnev. But Brezhnev did not take part in direct actions ... although he was involved in the conspiracy.

[Dodikson]

I know about Beria, here it was about Stalin.
there is simply an opinion that these are all links of the same chain and lead to the Trotskyists

[bayard]

So Khrushchev was an unrepentant, but repainted Trotskyist. All threads lead to it.
Beria began his investigation into the murder of Stalin and was already close to disclosure. Here is the reason for the murder of the Second Man of the State.
Khrushchev covered his tracks.
Then many people were killed from the "Stalin Guard", the fate and careers of many were broken ...
Khrushch cleared the clearing.

[Dodikson]

I am aware of this, with you we discussed more Zhukov here.
on the one hand, we are a legendary commander, but on the other hand, he could be an enemy.

[bayard]

Zhukov was a careerist; among other marshals he was called "non-commissioned officer" because of his low basic education and narrow outlook.
It offended him.
In the defeats of the summer of 1941, the blame is mainly on him - such a dislocation. it was he who suggested and pushed through. Well, Pavlov, of course, is also to blame ... There are a lot of them that were not killed / undetected - all the Air Force command had to be urgently changed ...
In addition, Zhukov turned out to be a money-grubber - he took out so many trophies from Germany, even special ones. the investigation had to be carried out with a search of his apartment and summer residence ... there were just warehouses there were antiques, carpets, fabrics and all kinds of goods, jewelry.
He fell into disgrace from Stalin.
It was on this insult that Khrushchev took him - he was also an offender against Stalin.
Sniffed.
But in the very attempt / assassination of Stalin, Zhukov certainly had nothing to do with it. But in covering up traces, in cleaning up the "Stalin Guard", in eliminating Beria and other competitors - very much even.
Zhukov provided power support, attracted many generals into the conspiracy.
But later he himself became dangerous for Khrushch and was sent to retire.
Above Khrushchev all his subsequent (after the assassination of Stalin) life, the threat of exposure hung like a domocles sword.
And over Zhukov too.
Therefore, sent to rest, both sat QUIET - like mice.

[Odysseus]

Weak article. The topic was once top secret and relevant. But now there are quite a lot of studies on it, and although there are still dark spots, for example, it was still unclear whether there was a lack of assistance or poisoning, but the version involving Beria's poisoning is considered extremely unlikely. Stalin's death and the author's conclusions are simply based on nothing.

[Lipchanin]

including the chief Mingrelian Lavrenty Beria, take part in the assassination of Stalin? "

Sounds like a final judgment based on gossip and speculation

“Yes, in all likelihood

So this is where the highley like ears grow from

[sniperino]

Quote: Lipchanin

So this is where the highley like ears grow from

Is not a fact. We generally live in a probabilistic world. With certainty, it is over, because matter itself has a probabilistic - numerical - nature, if Heisenberg does not lie to us (see his "Philosophy and Physics"), which is described by the Schrödinger equation.

[LAWNER]

I don’t understand the message of the article ... Thus, the author attracts the Megrels of Saakashvili, Gamsakhurdia? And is trying to make them blame for the problems of Georgia? Megrelov and so in the Caucasus, for the Jews are revered.

[U-58]

And by the way, they take your neighbor, a scoundrel, because he looks like Beria

[Crowe]

Who killed Stalin?

Age and stroke from work to wear.

[apro]

Quote: Crowe

Who killed Stalin?

Age and stroke from work to wear.

Too simple ... and how on time it happened, and how beneficial it was for many.

[Crowe]

Conspiracy theories (of which the darkness has multiplied), based on someone's speculation (even if very plausible) and not supported by any facts, I'm not used to taking note of it.

[apro]

Quote: Crowe

Conspiracy theories (of which the darkness has multiplied), based on someone's speculation (even if very plausible) and not supported by any facts, I'm not used to taking note of it.

Yes ... yes ... and criminals. At all times announced their crimes in the newspapers. And recorded all their plans and actions. But so there is no trial. And most importantly everyone agrees.

[smaug78]

How was Stalin killed? Did Khrushchev put poison into a glass or did Beria climb over the fence?

[Pessimist22]

Investigation of Georgian lawyers
Submit an article about the privatization of the 90s, if you have the courage of course.

[parusnik]

The author is talking to himself.

[nikvic46]

Stalin did not die unexpectedly; for several days they broadcast on the radio about his state of health. Everything that is written here is impossible to verify. Personalities like Stalin do not have friends like ordinary people. There is no one to tell. Therefore, you can write anything. Only to anyone?

[evgen1221]

Well, I don’t know, knowing my father’s (love) for Stalin, there are big doubts about the veracity of S. Khrushchev.

[KERMET]

could Stalin send the entire population of Mingrelia to Central Asia and Kazakhstan?

And what, apart from the allegedly corrupt elite, the population of these regions was noticed in mass aiding the Nazis, banditry, etc.?

[Gardamir]

The photo is interesting, otherwise I.V. Show Stalin in boots.

[smaug78]

The article is a typical conspiracy thesis ...

[A. Privalov]

There were dozens of especially well-known and high-profile "cases" in the USSR, and hundreds of little known. I will not list, because it does not matter. Since the 20s of the last century, the so-called "cases" were created so simply that instead of the "Mengrel case" there could be the Chukotka, Nanai and even the case of the Australian aborigines, there would be an indication.
All "cases" were cut according to a standard template and differed only in the number of repressed. Moreover, those sent to the camps for one case in the 20s and who served their sentences could simply be imprisoned or shot in a case that suddenly arose in the 30s and later, having nothing to do with the issue.

[Revolver]

There was even a joke. Three convicts were loaded into the Stolypin carriage. Well, essno went to the bazaar who was taken for what.
- Me for criticizing Ivanov.
- Me for praising Ivanov.
- And I am Ivanov.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

"What are the fashi tokasatelstva" (hf Red Heat) .. Absolutely not reasoned article.

[ivan2022]

The Mengrels "wanted" to seize Georgia. And the Georgians could not have been asked? And all together with Beria were British spies and killed Stalin.
It looks like

[smaug78]

Quote: ivan2022

It looks like

For what?)

[Revolver]

It is somehow hard to believe the source with the name Khrushchev. There is a selfish interest in pouring feces on both Stalin and Beria. Everything is in feces, only Nikita Sergeevich is dressed in white.

[ivan2022]

Judging by the fact that the Mengrels "rejected Georgia" without asking the Georgians themselves, this was a very urgent matter. There was no time to think. And when Stalin died, retroactively it turned out that they also "killed" him. Yes, Khrushch's veracity is a very dubious thing.

There is another version, about which the author “seems to know nothing”. The five post-war years were the years of expropriation of the vanquished, when a gigantic stream of trophy values ​​poured from the West into the USSR. A.B. wrote about this. Shirokorad in his book The Great Contribution in 2015.
The theme is the darkest even in our time !!! And then, in the post-war period, the “parade was commanded” by G.K. Zhukov, who headed the Western Group of Forces.
Let us assume in the form of a hypothesis that some of the values ​​“stuck to the hands” of the fathers-commanders. The matter is likely, given the ancient historical traditions of society, in which, as Fonvizin used to say; "In Russia, who can rob, who cannot steal." Undoubtedly, over the course of several post-war years this became known to the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, as well as to the Western special services. Then the group faced an alternative - “either execution, or a coup d'etat”. Here Zhukov greatly helped Khrushch. And after a successful coup, the group led by Zhukov - Khrushchev was suddenly blackmailed by the West.
This explains the fact that in the history of the USSR it is generally "not customary" to mention the reasons for the "Khrushchev thaw". A sudden steep turn in ideology, the rejection of Marxism (Here again Zhukov helped Khrushch at the plenum on June 22, 1957 against the "anti-party group, after which he was naturally thrown into the garbage heap), the stop of the 6th five-year plan. All this in the absence of any signs of a crisis in the economy! It was then that the "steam locomotive of the USSR" passed the "railroad arrow" on the path leading to the abyss.

[DrEng527]

Shows the mechanics of the power of the IVS - repression ...

[Alsur]

Actually, such a formulation of questions is called innuendo. None of the answers prove anything. There is such a thing as the presumption of innocence. If not proven, then not to blame. There is no evidence of Beria's participation in the assassination of Stalin, and there is no evidence of the deliberate murder of Beria to remove the participant in Stalin's assassination. In simple terms, all this is solid chatter about nothing.

[yehat2]

I don't know whether the Mingrelian affair was or not, but building it out of the stories of Sergei Khrushchev is a kind of surreal. You can't believe his words for a penny.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Anyone in the know. Did Sergei Kh. And Svetlana A. meet during their stay in the United States. And if so, what did they discuss?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Lipchanin

Is this proven by someone and something?

All historical facts of this kind remain at the level of hypotheses. And everyone believes in them or not. Or he thinks that Beria is an English spy.

[dgonni]

As one old doctor told his father, a Jew. If He did not touch the Jews. I would have lived at least another 20 years!
And that Jew knew what he was talking about!
Therefore, at first it was necessary to change the inner circle of treating people and then deal with the poisoning doctors.
P.S. In general, this whole canoe went after the scam of the Soviet Jewish agents of Stalin, personally as a leader with the formation of the state of Israel!
Everything else is secondary!
If the union had not given good, then Israel would not have been in the Promised Land!
But the desire of the leader to annoy the Angles and the sweet speeches of his native Jewish agents did their job.
And so the Jews would live on the island of Madagascar. What, in principle, the British and amers were trying to achieve.
So this is ce la vie!

[Avior]

Why was Lavrenty Beria shot during his arrest?

Many people were present when Beria was arrested. Not one of them said in any way that he was shot during his arrest
Beria was shot by Batitsky, the future marshal
There is also no reason to say that he did not.

[place]

Quote: Avior

Many people were present when Beria was arrested. Not one of them said in any way that he was shot during the arrest of Beria, Batitsky, the future Marshal, also had no reason to say that he did not do this

Unfortunately, the fact that "many people were present" became known only from the own words of very few people. And very interested.
Why was Beria allegedly shot by the deputy commander-in-chief of the USSR Air Force Batitsky on December 23? Didn't know who to entrust?
Yes, they didn't know. Because there were no "many people" in the group that turned all the cases with Stalin and Beria. There were just not many of them. Therefore, Beria had to "shoot" the lieutenant general of the Air Force, and not the foreman of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Officially, "Batitsky himself wanted to shoot Beria ...." An Air Force general had to be a complete idiot or a maniac to suddenly ask for the executioner himself. Moreover, in the case of the "English spy" who was the head of the successful atomic project of the USSR. For this Batitsky was enough to pat on the shoulder, turn his finger at his temple, and to hell with it.

But if "he did not do it" - and played a role in a big performance - then for such things he could well have promised Marshal. Batitsky was not exactly a nerd!
In this case, the reward of the "hero" is quite consistent with his "feat".
So there are reasons.

[Avior]

With Batitsky, it's tense
He became Marshal in 1968, already under Brezhnev
Beria was arrested at a government meeting
There was also a group of generals. Some probably survived until 1991. Someone said that nothing like this happened, and Beria was simply shot

[Pavel57]

Quote: Avior

Many people were present when Beria was arrested. Not one of them said in any way that he was shot during his arrest
Beria was shot by Batitsky, the future marshal
There is also no reason to say that he did not.

There is a version that Beria was killed during the storming of his house. on Malaya Nikitskaya. The corpse was brought to the Kremlin, wrapped in a carpet. And Khrushch forced everyone to swear allegiance to him over the body of Beria, practically making the entire leadership participants in the coup.

[Avior]

Khrushchev died in 1964
Who would care about any vows?
According to the official version, he was arrested at a government meeting. There were quite a lot of people. Did one of them say that it was not?

[Iskazi]

stupid material ..., no facts, no arguments, a continuous stream of the author's consciousness and vague assumptions. Fierce Countomaniac.

[Cympak]

In fact, this is an article about interethnic graters between Ajarians and Mingrelians. You can just as well read about how the Azerbaijanis killed Stalin in order to prevent
in 1953 the transfer of Karabakh and Nakhichevan to Armenia :)))

[svoit]

Quote: Sea Cat

All these speculative arguments are based only on the book by Sergei Khrushchev “Nikita Khrushchev. Reformer"?

And what is the reason for Stalin to instruct the investigation, speaking allegorically, about the big Mingrelian? Couldn't he have said more definitely?

[svoit]

Quote: dgonni

As one old doctor told his father, a Jew. If He hadn't touched the Jews

There is a reason for this, many of the doctors who were arrested were Jews, and there was no one to provide qualified assistance.

[Seal]

427 secretaries of regional, city and district party committees

Strange, where did so many secretaries come from in the Georgian SSR ??? And why is the word "obkoms" in the plural? After all, there was one region in the Georgian SSR - the autonomous South Ossetian region. It has three or four secretaries. The two autonomous republics also have three or four secretaries. There were 37 districts in total. This means a maximum of 150 district committee secretaries.

[Sergej1972]

There were also regional committees of the Communist Party of Georgia in the ASSR.

[Pavel57]

Quote: svoit

There is a reason for this, many of the doctors who were arrested were Jews, and there was no one to provide qualified assistance.

Doctors can help and kill, hiding behind help.

[SARANCHA1976]

What an amazing story .. how categorical. Yes. And all this bullshit is not built on facts-documents, but on Khrushchev's book kapets, you still look at Solzhenitsyn

[Seal]

Quote: Sergej1972

There were also regional committees of the Communist Party of Georgia in the ASSR

ASSR - is it the Armenian SSR or the Azerbaijan SSR?