January 27 - International Holocaust Remembrance Day

Today in Britain, ahead of the English Premier League football match between Chelsea and Wolverhampton, a mourning ceremony will be held in honor of 20 athletes killed by Nazi criminals in concentration camps. Of these 20 victims of the Holocaust, 17 were Jewish.

But today they remember not only these people who died at the hands of the Nazis, but also millions of other victims of the Holocaust. To honor their memory, in 2005 the UN General Assembly established the International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of the Holocaust.

On this day 76 years ago, the Soviet Army liberated the complex of death camps and concentration camps Auschwitz-Birkenau in Poland, in the city of Auschwitz. Here, the Nazi monsters killed during the Second World War, according to various estimates, from 1,5 to 4 million people. There were other death camps at that time, but Auschwitz was considered the largest.

It is estimated that over the years of the war in all of these Nazi camps, about six million Jews from different countries of Europe died. These crimes, committed by the fascists and their accomplices, are among the few not covered by the statute of limitations.

And even if there are practically no executioners or their victims left alive, we have no right to forgive or forget. We must know and remember in order to prevent a recurrence of these terrible events.

The editorial board of Voenniy Obozreniye, together with the whole world, mourns for everyone who was brutally killed by the Nazis during the war years or tortured in concentration camps and death camps. Eternal memory to all victims of the Holocaust!

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

I was raised as an internationalist. Negroes, Asians, pale-skinned and redheads are equally pleasant to me.
This is probably why I still cannot understand HOW it was possible to kill a man, woman, child, old man just because he is of a different nationality? !!!
Such crimes should not be repeated!

[Far B]

HOW was it possible to kill a man, woman, child, old man just because he is of a different nationality? !!!

Actually, it is also not clear how one can honor the tragedy of one people, forgetting about others. Slavs (Russians), gypsies, etc. Untermenshi ... And why the Jews do not harness for everyone? The USSR then harnessed itself for everyone ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: Dalny V

And why don't the Jews harness themselves for everyone?

But why share money with the goyim?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Dalny V

The USSR then harnessed itself for everyone ...

And for the USSR there was no difference between Jews and other nations!
All were just SOVIET people.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Dalny V

Actually, it is also not clear how one can honor the tragedy of one people, forgetting about others.

Awkwardly they are trying to summon the Jews to their conscience with their monopoly on the Holocaust.

dedicated to 20 athletes who were killed by Nazi criminals in concentration camps. Of these 20 victims of the Holocaust, 17 were Jewish.

So it is believed that almost 80 percent of all athletes are Jews.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

The Nazis were ordinary cheap speculators with their "racial theory". They were ready to sell "Aryanness" for an expression of allegiance. Cossacks, for example, were recorded as "descendants of the ready". Do you know that Rosenberg got to the point that he wanted to record the Ukrainians in the "aria"? But the Partaigenossen pulled him up - he was fucking like that? You distinguish the coast ... And one of the pillars of German racology, Hans Gunther considered the Russians 35-40% Aryans ("Brief Racology of Europe", 1925). But with the Jews everything was clear.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

.And one of the pillars of German racology, Hans Gunther considered the Russians 35-40% Aryans ("Brief Racology of Europe", 1925). But with the Jews everything was clear.

Gunther's calculations did not prevent the Germans from killing Slavs by the millions, regardless of gender and age, but with Western European Jews, just not everything is clear.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

but with Western European Jews, just not everything is clear.

to whom they reached - those were registered in the controlled territories.

[Vladimir_2U]

Maximum

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

capitalized

just Jews from today's Eastern Europe and the USSR. Western Jews on common grounds with Western Europeans.

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

capitalized

Yes, you masterfully picked up a synonym for mass murder. Whose school? The Anglo-Saxons approve of such ephemeisms.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Yes, you masterfully picked up a synonym for mass murder. Whose school? The Anglo-Saxons approve of such ephemeisms.

Yes, I somehow do not care who approves of what or not. Not everyone can use your passionary vocabulary.

[Vladimir_2U]

The word "post" do you understand what it means? With regard to mass murder.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The word "post" do you understand what it means? When applied to mass murder.

Of course, I understand - to "register" means to register and concentrate in the ghetto. Establish a Judenrat and lead the commissions of the blind Red Cross - here we have an orchestra, a school, a dance club, here are artists, writers, scientists ... bah! and here is Einstein's sister ... yeah, that very ... And now the screening of the film "Der Führer schenkt den Juden eine Stadt". That's all, you can give out gifts and take pictures. The buses leave in an hour. The administration hopes that your stay in Theresienstadt as KK ambassadors was pleasant.

[Vladimir_2U]

140 thousand who passed through this concentration camp and were killed is a huge and terrible figure, but it is comparable to those killed in Babi Yar alone.

[Crowe]

how to honor the tragedy of one people, forgetting about others

All are equal, but some are more equal.
It hurts everyone, but it hurts some more.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Crowe

All are equal, but some are more equal.
It hurts everyone, but it hurts some more.

no, it's just that someone stands stronger, and defends

[Subtext]

He also turned on the counter and am waiting for some people, remembering the victims of WWII, to start with more than 30 million dead Chinese, then 27 million of our people, and then about themselves ...

[Roman1970_1]

Because Jews were killed for their nationality.
Ghettos were created only for Jews

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

This is probably why I still cannot understand HOW it was possible to kill a man, woman, child, old man just because he is of a different nationality? !!!
Such crimes should not be repeated!

The ideology of fascism, for her it does not matter who to kill, a Jew, Russian, Belarusian, or whoever else. The Holocaust was to the entire Soviet people, the galut Jews of Europe, and also to all nationalities of the European territory seized by the Nazis. Eternal Memory to all those who died during the Second World War, at the hands of non-humans.

[Egoza]

Quote: tihonmarine

Eternal Memory to all those who died during the Second World War, at the hands of non-humans.

Yes! We mourn the victims. They cannot be returned! But the executioners are STILL ALIVE !!! AND THEM CANNOT BE FORGIVEN !!!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Eternal Memory to all those who died during the Second World War, at the hands of non-humans.

Yes, YOU are right, all those who died during World War II are commemorated all over the world on May 8 or 9. And today all over the world International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of the Holocaust
Which is also celebrated all over the world, except for a certain group (you know the name of this group)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Which is also celebrated all over the world, except for a certain group (you know the name of this group)

The Holocaust is not for a certain group, but for all people killed by the Nazis.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

The Holocaust is not for a certain group, but for all people killed by the Nazis.

There is a definition for all people destroyed by the Nazis.
VICTIMS fascism.
А AHOLOKOST has a clear definition
Mass destruction by the Nazis european jews during the Second World War.
It is not me and you who have accepted this designation, you can recognize or not recognize this your right.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

AHOLOKOST has a clear definition

The Holocaust is the persecution and mass extermination by the Nazis of representatives of various ethnic and social groups.
And not just Jews. If you take how many Japanese destroyed the Chinese, then what do they have then.
And the Holocaust of the Jews, as I have written more than once, is the Holocaust of the "Galut Jews"! - Jews living in Europe and the USSR. But the Jews of America, England, Palestine, and other countries were not exterminated. I think you do not divide all the dead Soviet people by nationality.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

The Holocaust is the persecution and mass extermination by the Nazis of representatives of various ethnic and social groups.

If you use https: //ru.wikipedia.org /
If you had to study in the USSR, then in not a single textbook, newspaper, radio or television have we heard the word HOLOCAUST.
I first heard this word and met in Israel, although my grandfather was killed in a concentration camp.
Get to know what the Holocaust is not in the Soviet-Russian version, but in the international one.
The one who marks THE WHOLE WORLD Today.,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

If you had to study in the USSR, then in not a single textbook, newspaper, radio or television have we heard the word HOLOCAUST.
I first heard this word and met in Israel, although my grandfather was killed in a concentration camp.

I heard this word even during the Soviet era, and no one kept silent about it. For me, all people destroyed by the Nazis are the same, just as your grandfather was killed in a concentration camp, so my maternal grandfather and two of his underage granddaughters were burned by the Germans in the Smolensk region. So what is the Holocaust for you, but not for us Russians and Belarusians?
I have written and am writing not the last time, I was the holocaust of all Soviet people. And for me today, this is the holocaust of all Soviet people who died, and not just Jews. And the world is now screaming that Trump is Putin's servant, and what should I believe in?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

I heard this word even during the Soviet era, and no one kept silent about it.

I can agree with YOU, except for this expression, I studied for 15 years and did not come across this word in any of the textbooks.
In the USSR, they tried in every possible way to avoid this topic, Jewish families who survived raised money for a common monument, but the authorities forbade writing that the monument was erected to Jews, but it was necessary to write to "Soviet citizens".
Read only one such case.
https://zona.media/article/2017/05/10/soviet-holocaust-denial

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

In the USSR, they tried in every possible way to avoid this topic,

You will not find it in the textbooks, but the topic was not prohibited. That's right in the USSR, all were citizens of the USSR. The village that the Germans burned down like my grandfather and granddaughters, others were shot and buried there, Russians, Jews, Belarusians and Poles. There was a monument to Soviet citizens. Or was it necessary to put it all separately? Or am I misunderstanding something.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Or am I misunderstanding something.

No, you understand everything.
But all the same, read it, maybe you will find out that you don't know something from that.
Sometimes it happens
https://zona.media/article/2017/05/10/soviet-holocaust-denial

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

No, you understand everything.
But all the same, read it, maybe you will find out that you don't know something from that.

You can and read, but only I in Smolensk and Belarus have heard enough from old people (then still 40 years old men and women) about all the atrocities, and I have seen enough of unnamed cemeteries and burned villages.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

You can read it, but only I have heard enough from the old people in the Smolensk region and Belarus

I don't even try to argue with YOU and write at all about something else.
Jews survivors, on PERSONAL (non-state) savings put up a common monument to relatives, and they were forbidden to write this on the monument what it is the Jews dead, but ONLY what "Soviet citizens"
And yet, please take the time and read, you will discover something new that you did not know and does not matter how you react to it.
But I am sure that you will understand what I wanted to explain to you.
https://zona.media/article/2017/05/10/soviet-holocaust-denial

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Jews who survived put a common monument to their relatives on PERSONAL (not state) savings

It happened in Babi Yar. You cannot order the state. I don’t mind the memory being immortalized.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

It happened in Babi Yar. You cannot order the state. I don’t mind the memory being immortalized.

Thank you very much for your understanding!
It's a pity that the state was such that it forced more than a million people to leave that country.!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

It's a pity that the state was such that it forced more than a million people to leave that country.!

You left, and millions left us, but this is a different state.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

But the Jews of America, England, Palestine, and other countries were not exterminated.

Only because they could not get to them.

[illuminat]

Quote: tihonmarine

The ideology of fascism, it does not matter who to kill, whether it is a Jew, a Russian, a Belarusian, or whoever.

Achinea some.
This ideology is terrible because it is INDIFFERENT who to kill. People are divided into VARIETIES by birth.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: illuminat

People are divided into VARIETIES by birth.

And this is insanity.

[lwxx]

HOW was it possible to kill a man, woman, child, old man just because he is of a different nationality?

Ask the Finns (Russian population 1918-1920), Poles (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian population), Chechens, Central Asians, especially 1989-1999. Yes, there are many examples, but internationalism in my army has disappeared ...

[Boris55]

" Assimilated Jews were mercilessly given over to a complete burnt offering - the Holocaust.
When Chaim Weizmann, who later became the first president of Israel, was asked to ransom the Jews in German concentration camps, he cynically replied: "All these Jews are not worth one Palestinian cow." Weizmann called the Holocaust "cutting off dry branches." (There is no city in Israel that does not have a street named after Chaim Weizmann.) The statements of Chaim Weizmann from 1937 clearly demonstrate the horrific nature of the Holocaust: “I ask the question: Are you able to resettle 6 million Jews to Palestine? No. From the tragic abyss, I want to save only 2 million young people ... And the old must disappear ... They are dust, economic and spiritual dust in a cruel world "
The mass deportations of Jews from Germany to Palestine on the eve of the war increased the population of Palestine to 400 thousand. By agreement with Hitler, no one helped the Jewish people of Europe, but at the same time, the rich and well-known Jews did not die. After the war, the same Chaim Weizmann submitted documents to the UN about the death of a million Jews and achieved the organization of a Jewish State - ISRAEL. Hana Arend, in her remarkable study, Eichmann in Jerusalem, wrote: "The role of Jewish leaders in destroying their own people is, for the Jews, undoubtedly the darkest chapter in this entire dark story."

ps
UN requires free Holocaust denial

On July 5, 2012, the UN Human Rights Council adopted a landmark resolution on the right to free speech on the Internet. However, few people know that a year ago the UN Human Rights Committee made an equally significant decision, deciding that prosecution for denial of the Holocaust is unacceptable for countries that have signed the Convention on Human Rights.

The official text of the decision (general comments) in Russian is available on the website of the UN Human Rights Committee here:
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrc/docs/CCPR-C-GC-34_ru.doc

[NDR-791]

And the old ones must disappear ... They are dust, economic and spiritual dust in a cruel world "
This is the policy wherever it is carried out. Cynical but practical! And we are here for some retirement age. Back then, morals were more shy. Now they will write off and not ask

[Boris55]

Quote: NDR-791

And we are here for some retirement age.

Do you remember who raised our age to all the former republics and socialist countries?
All the same who then went to war against us.

[NDR-791]

Do you remember who raised us, all the former republics and socialist countries?
I don't know to everyone, but to us specifically:

Although personally I do not mind - it is better to work to death than to survive until death and retirement

[Boris55]

Quote: NDR-791

I don't know to everyone, but to us specifically:

Specifically, Medvedev paid for this with the post of prime minister.

With the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, the IMF will no longer tell us what the retirement age should be and, like in Ukraine, what the price of gas should be, etc.

We will not further procrastinate on this topic. The topic for discussion is different.

[NDR-791]

We will not further procrastinate on this topic.
Agree, tied

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Boris55

The topic for discussion is different.

are you talking about the Russian Holocaust in modern times?

[Herman 4223]

The IMF's decision to raise the retirement age in Russia is a law for us, and it doesn't matter who said what before.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Boris55

By agreement with Hitler, no one helped the Jewish people of Europe,

Evian Conference, confirmation of this. None of the countries present at it took the liberty of accepting Jews, only the Dominican Republic alone agreed to accept 100 people, and then she was not allowed to do so.

[alpamys]

Quote: Boris55

By conspiracy with Hitler, no one helped the Jewish people of Europe

[taiga2018]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

HOW was it possible to kill a man, woman, child, old man just because he is of a different nationality? !!!

Well, I don't know, Jews somehow kill Palestinian children "armed" only with stones, I won't even say here that this does not mean that I justify the Holocaust, just the number of victims of this very Holocaust is simply negligible compared to the number of civilians killed in the Soviet territories occupied by the Germans, and not only the occupied ones, how many died in besieged Leningrad, how many died as a result of barbaric bombings ... And here everything is the Holocaust, the Holocaust ... It turns out that the life of a Jewish child is more valuable than the life of a child who died under the bombs in Stalingrad, or life of a child who died of starvation in besieged Leningrad?

[Poetry]

Never understood this word, holocaust. Nobody counted the Slavs at all. The Jews mean sorry, but the rest of the people are not very? Something is not kosher here ...

[alpamys]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

Never understood this word, holocaust. Nobody counted the Slavs at all. The Jews mean sorry, but the rest of the people are not very? Something is not kosher here ...

so why ...

[Mountain shooter]

The Nazis did a terrible thing. There will be no forgiveness for them ... Never. Therefore, Nazism in all forms should remain banned, as an absolute evil ... In relative terms, the Jews of Europe (and the European part of the USSR) suffered terrible losses. Total extermination ... There, and the Balts were noted, and the Poles, and the Ukrainian nationalists ... Other peoples got it, but only the Jews.

[Boris55]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Therefore, Nazism in all forms must remain banned, as an absolute evil

So far, everything that concerns fascism and its ideology is banned. Recently, even a law was adopted to prevent the display of the symbols of the Nazis in the cinema, on TV, it's good that it was canceled ... Mein Kampf should be studied in high school and invited to the lessons of the surviving veterans, showing the whole misanthropic ideology of fascism ...

As long as they hide it from us, a generation that does not know fascism is growing and the return of fascism becomes quite real.

There is a phenomenon. This phenomenon creates an image in our head. A code (word) is assigned to this image. When we hear the word (thunderstorm), we create an image (downpour, thunder and lightning), we understand the phenomenon. Remove one of the three (Mein Kampf, symbolism) and the phenomenon becomes incomprehensible. Thus, we let fascism head over to our children.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Boris55

it is necessary to study in high school and invite the surviving veterans to the lessons, showing the whole misanthropic ideology of fascism ..

And also to carry on excursions to Lao PDR, let them see in reality what "ordinary fascism" did there.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: tihonmarine

And also take on excursions to the Lao PDR, let them see in reality

and what exactly will they see?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Boris55

Mein Kampf

Have you read it yourself?

[Alex Justice]

It would be nice to ban communists too. There is not much difference between a Nazi and a communist.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alex Justice

It would be nice to ban communists too. There is not much difference between a Nazi and a communist.

In your opinion, yes, but only the whole of Europe was freed from fascism by the communists, not the liberals and democrats.

[sniperino]

Quote: tihonmarine

Europe was freed from fascism by communists, not liberals and democrats

Initially, the communists are liberals and democrats, for they are for the liberation of the working people and the wide participation of the people in governing the state. Today it is a "liberal" only one who drowns for "100 genders", and earlier they were called simply perverts.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sniperino

Initially, communists are liberals and democrats

Sorry, but the initial platform of the Liberal and Democrats was different from the communist one.

[sniperino]

Quote: tihonmarine

the initial platform of the liberal with the democrats was different from the communist

The discrepancy is not original, but arose only in relation to the revolution and militant atheism. Today the political conditions are different: only the Soros want a revolution, and religion in no way interferes with the liberation of those who are toiling and burdened, as well as with the broad participation of cooks and cooks in government. Atheism, however, led the West to natural Satanism.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sniperino

The discrepancy is not original, but arose only in relation to the revolution and militant atheism. Today the political conditions are different:

Yes, the scheme is simple

[sniperino]

Postmodern, among other things, is distinguished by a complete substitution of concepts; everything through "as if": as if democracy, as if freedom, as if humanism, as if faith, as if education, etc. This contributes most to the atomization of the individual and the transformation of the people into a mass devoid of stable ties. Therefore, for many, "this is different" does not cause any contradictions.

[Dym71]

Quote: Alex Justice

It would be nice to ban communists too.

To do this, they had to be defeated, but the gut was thin, there was no such force from the outside.

Before a responsible battle with the enemy, many fighters wrote an application for admission to the Communist Party and at the same time made a postscript: "If I die, consider me a communist." And this is absolutely true: the fighters made such statements before their possible death, and at such moments they do not lie.

[Alex Justice]

To do this, they had to be defeated, but the gut was thin, there was no such force from the outside.

The world was not ready to rebuff the new social order. Nobody expected this new religion to be so popular.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alex Justice

The world was not ready to rebuff the new social order. Nobody expected this new religion to be so popular.

The world was just that was ready for a new social order, but capitalism was against it. The common people have nothing to lose and the new system suits them, but the money-bag capitalist has something to lose.
Since you write this, dear, it means that you have something to lose.

[Mountain shooter]

It's funny. Judging by the number of minuses, are there large numbers of Nazis on the VO? Well, anti-Semites ...
The correct name for Hitler's party is the National Socialist Party of Germany. The Fascists are the Italian party. Mussolini. The Germans took him very much. But they were called all the same not so.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It's funny. Judging by the number of minuses, are there large numbers of Nazis on the VO? Well, anti-Semites ...

The former are constantly present, but I don’t understand where the latter came from.

[sniperino]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The correct name for Hitler's party is the National Socialist Party of Germany.

This is a self-name, not a correct name. You can call a party "humanistic", "Christian" or "Islamic", but it will still be fascist if there is discrimination based on ethnicity, faith, skin color, origin, etc., supported by the power of the state. Therefore, in our country the Germans were called so during the war and after. Trotsky was essentially also a fascist, and Stalin was an anti-fascist.

[Mountain shooter]

The word "fashio" comes from the Latin bundle of twigs, from the times of ancient Rome. Worn by lictors. "Fashina" comes from the same root. The fascists are Mussolini's party. Italian. And the Italians were not Nazis ... Their Jews were not exterminated. It was then that the concepts got confused ...

[sniperino]

Again you are starting from a self-name. Stalin called them fascists out of stupidity or illiteracy? How did these "concepts get mixed up"?

Two hotbeds of world fascism and world aggression were formed on the eve of the current world war: Germany in the west and Japan in the east.

Where is Italy? I would say the concepts were mixed after Stalin.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Other nations also got it, but only the Jews THIS.

and the Belarusians?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aybolyt678

and the Belarusians?

And the Belarusians. Only the Belarusians were not exterminated without exception just because the Belarusians.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And the Belarusians. Only the Belarusians were not exterminated without exception just because the Belarusians.

one third of the population of the republic, shot, burned, tortured ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aybolyt678

one third of the population of the republic, shot, burned, tortured ...

I know that. But more Jews were exterminated. Only 10% of the European diaspora remains ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

But more Jews were exterminated. Only 10% of the European diaspora remains.

Before the Nazis came to power, there was no such anti-Semitism in Germany.
All the same, there must be some kind of justified reason, but how many years have passed, and there has been no clear explanation yet.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: tihonmarine

All the same, there must be some kind of justified reason, but how many years have passed, and there has been no clear explanation yet.

but what is the reason for the nationalization of wealth accumulated by many generations? at the same time social training of Nazi skills?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aybolyt678

at the same time social training of Nazi skills?

Yes, I read both Rosenberg and "Main Kampf" and Goebbels, but everywhere more was said about the destruction of the Slavs.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: tihonmarine

Yes, I read both Rosenberg and "Main Kampf" and Goebbels, but everywhere more was said about the destruction of the Slavs.

the details of the extermination of the Jews are of a behind-the-scenes nature, officially it was called "the solution of the Jewish question." I came across something in the book "ss troops bloody trail"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aybolyt678

the details of the extermination of the Jews are of a behind-the-scenes nature, officially it was called "the solution of the Jewish question."

Yes, there is such a tangle of everything, it is still not clear.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I know that. But more Jews were exterminated. Only 10% of the European diaspora remains.

technologies for the extermination of people took on an industrial scale with the Jews, but this is the preparation of public opinion, the training of "specialists", arrest, concentration, destruction itself, disposal of corpses, ..

[Sergej1972]

Among these killed and tortured were Belarusian Jews, who made up a significant part of the population of the BSSR.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Other nations also got it, but only the Jews THIS.

The Serbs lost the most in relation to the total population.

[Alex Justice]

But today they remember not only these people who died at the hands of the Nazis, but also millions of other victims of the Holocaust.

This is how it should be called the International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of Genocide.
Do Jews have bluer blood than Armenians, gypsies, etc.?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alex Justice

This is how it should be called the International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of Genocide.

The Holocaust is the highest manifestation of genocide. This is what the Nazis did.

[Alex Justice]

He is genocide and genocide in Africa.
The genocide of blacks was much larger and lasted for centuries.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alex Justice

The genocide of blacks was much larger and lasted for centuries.

Well, what to call the destruction of the Indians in America? Almost all of them were destroyed.

[Sergej1972]

In South America, a significant portion of the population is of Indian origin or purebred Indian. In some countries, the Indian population predominates.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergej1972

In South America, a significant portion of the population is of Indian origin or purebred Indian. In some countries, the Indian population predominates.

In South America, the Spaniards were, and in the states of the Anglo-Saxons. Therefore, there is such a difference.

[Alex Justice]

In some countries, the Indian population predominates.

This is about 5% of what it was. Most died from disease.

[sniperino]

Quote: tihonmarine

The Holocaust

The Holocaust is a sacred sacrifice. And the rest are not sacred in these terms.

[Avior]

There is such a day, it was established by the UN back in 2005

UN, 5 November. / TASS /. The UN General Assembly on Thursday adopted a resolution proposed by Russia, which proclaims May 8 and 9 as days of remembrance for all victims of World War II ...

The document, approved by consensus without a vote, invites all member states, UN organizations, non-governmental organizations and individuals to celebrate these days accordingly (May 8 and 9 - TASS comment) as a tribute to all the victims of World War II.

Here is this resolution

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/477/78/PDF/N0447778.pdf?OpenElement

Such an International Day of Remembrance, in accordance with Resolution 59/26 of the UN General Assembly, proposed by Russia and a group of other countries, was established on May 8 or 9 in many countries of the world. But not in Russia, unfortunately. One can only wonder and regret why this has not happened so far: ((((
There are also national days of memory of the victims of the war, for example, the Day of Remembrance and Sorrow, established on June 22 in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus under different names.
But May 8-9 is an international day.

[carstorm 11]

Well, obviously because the USSR in those days simply won a huge war. Therefore, he honors the memory of the winners. And you can do as you like. We have a day of memory and sorrow on June 22. The day this war began

[Avior]

Read carefully what is written.
It was Russia that proposed, in addition to national days of remembrance, which exist in many countries, to establish an international day of remembrance.
She offered, agreed with her, but did not establish such a thing. Moreover, every year I read indignation that Ukraine established such a day in accordance with the UN decision at the suggestion of Russia, on May 8, although the day of the victims of the war in Ukraine is also on June 22.

[carstorm 11]

Actually, I said, do as you like. This proposal is so that people would simply not forget about it as it has become fashionable now. I wrote this to you so that you would understand why Russia offered it and does it in its own way.

[Avior]

uh huh. proposed to establish an international day of remembrance, but she refused it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

that Ukraine established such a day in accordance with the UN decision on the proposal of Russia, on May 8, although the day of the victims of the war in Ukraine is also on June 22.

This is how it should be. Where in Ukraine it is written that it is necessary to celebrate the Victory Day of the Soviet people over fascism.

[Avior]

That this is how it should be?
May 9, Victory Day, day off in Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

May 9, Victory Day, day off in Ukraine.

And in any legislative documents, it is written that this is Victory Day over fascism, or is it just the old-fashioned day off?

[Herman 4223]

9 million citizens of the USSR were hijacked to Germany, this figure was announced at the Newrember trial, I can't say how many of them returned back, I believe that it is much less. We need to honor their memory and not forget about it. This is also a holocaust.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Herman 4223

9 million citizens of the USSR were hijacked to Germany,

And how many villages with people were burned in the Smolensk region, Belarus, how many were killed in the territory occupied by the Nazis, children of the elderly, women? This is the Holocaust.

[Avior]

... On this day 76 years ago, the Soviet Army liberated the complex of death camps and concentration camps Auschwitz-Birkenau

The mass extermination and persecution of Jews by the Nazis during the war, dubbed the Holocaust, has become one of the worst crimes in human history. I grieve for the dead, I sympathize with their relatives, descendants, I sympathize with those who survived the Holocaust, who then lost their relatives, and their loved ones.
This should not happen again!

[Dym71]

Sergei, correct your comment, it sounds ambiguous for the survivors.

[Avior]

You can't fix it already.
And if someone finds a double meaning, well, his problems

[Avior]

By the way, the major in the photo, who personally opened the gates of Auschwitz during the liberation of prisoners, the commander of a separate assault battalion of the 106th rifle corps Anatoly Shapiro, a Jew by nationality.

[Professor]

1. 'International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of the Holocaust"it would be correct to call it in Russian"International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of the Holocaust of European Jewry". (" Holocaust "is not a Russian word.) By the way, in Israel it is called that, although recently they began to add" ... and North Africa. "The Jews of Tunisia, for example, were also sent to Auschwitz.

2. Only "The final solution to the Jewish question"was elevated to a state ideology and practical embodiment in Germany and in the territories it occupied. No other nation was destroyed so purposefully and there are no similar precedents in history. For example, the Armenians of Jerusalem were not touched by the Turks in 1915.

3. The Jews, and specifically the Israeli ambassador to the UN, achieved the recognition of today's date. Not a single representative of another country has sought international recognition of the genocide of his people at such a level. Actually, no one forbids "critics" to "honor the tragedy of another nation."

4. For the USSR, there has always been a difference between Jews and other nations! And not only between Jews. The national question has always been acute. In the USSR (with the exception of a couple of years in the 1930s) there was always a "nationality" column. State anti-Semitism has always existed in the USSR.

5. The ideology of Nazism, for it does not care who to kill, a Jew, Russian, Belarusian, or whoever else. Only Jews were exterminated not for their actions or views, but only because they are Jews, children of Jews, or even grandchildren of Jews. Even Jews who converted to another religion were exterminated. The Holocaust was not for the entire Soviet people, but exclusively for the Jews. Only Jewish children [deleted] the peasants handed over to the Germans for a pack of makhorka. Children of other nationalities were not interested in Nazi executioners.

6. The number of Natsiks in the Russian Federation as a whole and in VO in particular is constantly increasing. More precisely, the number of open Nazis. If earlier it was not decent to be an anti-Semite or a Nazi, now they do not hide their essence.

7. Forcibly (and not very violently) driven to work in Germany is not the Holocaust at all. Most of the stolen returned safe and sound (some wished to stay in Germany) and now Germany pays (and rightly pays) these people a monthly allowance.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: professor

State anti-Semitism has always existed in the USSR.

never existed. There were relatives abroad, and the Jews have a national trait - to maintain family ties.

[Avior]

Well, you give. And the Russians do not support family ties?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Avior

And the Russians do not support family ties?

You know, children of Russians living in the West know their native language less often than other nationalities, living in America they consider themselves Americans, in Canada they are Canadians. I have relatives there, and I know what I'm talking about.

[Dym71]

Quote: professor

State anti-Semitism has always existed in the USSR

Prof, for this on VO it has been said more than once, but answer, the "Leningrad affair" testifies to the presence of state Russophobia in the USSR, am I following your logic correctly?

[avib]

Proff, you don't have enough beads for today's VO writers. I scrolled through all the comments in the hope of NOT finding a single one from the representatives of the gear (every nation has a klikuha) people - only yours and found it. You didn't need it either.

I have a proposal for the patriots. If you think that during the war the German fascists destroyed the Russians just because they were Russians, get the UN to recognize this as genocide and get the UN to recognize any day as an international day of remembrance. It's simple. This is exactly what the Jews did.

For reference. Both my grandfathers and both grandmothers fought at the front. (one grandmother was in the Chapaev partisan detachment - she managed to escape from the ghetto). 80 percent of my family died during the war and are buried in yars and mass graves. From the side of the paternal grandfather - only the grandfather remained - he was an officer in the Red Army from the first days of the war - all the others were shot. Including small children.

[apro]

Quote: professor

State anti-Semitism has always existed in the USSR.

So the Arab anti-Semites of the Jewish faith have tightened up ... will suffer ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

Only Jews were exterminated not for their actions or views, but only because they are Jews, children of Jews, or even grandchildren of Jews.

And that the village Russian and Belarusian women, old people, children were destroyed for their actions, views, and burned right in the villages. We have dozens of such villages in the Smolensk region only in the Dukhovshchinsky region. In your opinion, my illiterate grandfather and his two young granddaughters were killed for their views and deeds, and the Jews that were burned with them, is it just because they are Jews? I respected you as a professor, but now it is somehow unpleasant to read you.

[Professor]

Quote: tihonmarine

And that the village Russian and Belarusian women, old people, children were destroyed for their actions, views, and burned right in the villages.

For deeds. Belarus was occupied in 1941, Khatyn was burned in 1943. Partisans fair fought against the Germans and they sent punishers. Two years did not touch. Jews were immediately shot either in the ghetto, and there ...

Quote: tihonmarine

We have dozens of such villages in the Smolensk region only in the Dukhovshchinsky region.

Nobody touched hundreds and thousands of villages. I remember the stories of a Kuban citizen of how Germans lodged on their farm. Nobody was touched. All Jews who came across were shot.

Quote: tihonmarine

In your opinion, my illiterate grandfather and his two young granddaughters were killed for their views and deeds, and the Jews that were burned with them, is it just because they are Jews? I respected you as a professor, but now it is somehow unpleasant to read you.

The truth is not always pleasant. Read how the Smolensk peasants caught Jewish boys hiding in the forests for a pack of makhorka and handed them over to the Germans.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

Read how the Smolensk peasants caught Jewish boys hiding in the forests for a pack of makhorka and handed them over to the Germans.

I don't need to read, I never believe it. But that my teacher Nikolai Partenier, who lived with his family in the village of Baklanovo, Smolensk region, was hidden from the Nazis by the whole village. And that the Germans did not destroy Russians until 43, if my grandfather was burned in the winter of 41.
You cannot prove anything, and there is no point in proving it, as for the Ukrainians. Everything has been hammered into your head since childhood. There is no resentment against you, you also suffered a lot, but the aftertaste is unpleasant.

[Professor]

Quote: tihonmarine

I don't need to read, I never believe it.

And rightly so. Don't be confused by facts. After all, the entire local population was exclusively partisans and did not cooperate with the occupiers at all.

Quote: tihonmarine

But that my teacher Nikolai Partenier, who lived with his family in the village of Baklanovo, Smolensk region, was hidden from the Nazis by the whole village.

Write about this to Yad Vashem and the entire village will be honored with the title of Righteous Among the World. By the way, and Israeli citizenship. Here's a link:
https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/righteous/how-to-apply.html

Quote: tihonmarine

And that the Germans did not destroy Russians until 43, if my grandfather was burned in the winter of 41.

Blessed memory of your grandfather. Was he a communist?

Quote: tihonmarine

You cannot prove anything, and there is no point in proving it, as for the Ukrainians. Everything has been hammered into your head since childhood. There is no resentment against you, you also suffered a lot, but the aftertaste is unpleasant.

What should I prove? That in the occupied territories only Jews were exterminated at the root? The facts confirm this. That the local population just did not touch the invaders? This is also confirmed by the facts.

Tell me how my grandfather's brother was handed over to the Nazis and what was done to him there? Or tell how his family ended up in a concentration camp near Domanevka and who put them there? And all this is only because they were born into Jewish families. Guess who took over their homes and took their property.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

Write about this to Yad Vashem and the entire village will be honored with the title of Righteous Among the World.

But this is not necessary, as well as Israeli citizenship (I live in Estonia).
The righteous of the world, this is your prerogative. And in our country who could have saved others, but there were those who killed both Jews and Russians.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

The Righteous Among the Nations are foreign citizens who helped Jews during the persecution by the Nazis and their accomplices during the Holocaust.

I know it. But if I can help a person, let alone save his life, I will do it without a doubt, and not for gratitude.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

But if I can help a person, let alone save his life, I will do it without a doubt, and not for gratitude.

This does not help, it is to save the life of a stranger, risking your own.
And this is worthy of the highest gratitude. And this is what Israel can do for the descendant of these HEROES!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

And this is what Israel can do for the descendant of these HEROES!

Thank you for what you did after the war, especially the Simon Wiesenthal Center. I know firsthand, I live where by 1944 not one of yours remained.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Thank you for what you did after the war,

Huge YOU THANKS for understanding what happened !!!!!!!!!

[Professor]

Quote: tihonmarine

But this is not necessary, as well as Israeli citizenship (I live in Estonia).

Why then? The people should know the heroes by sight. Moreover, the whole village was rescued and not the whole village settled down in Estonia.

Quote: tihonmarine

The righteous of the world, this is your prerogative. And in our country who could have saved others, but there were those who killed both Jews and Russians.

We thank those who saved Jews risking their lives from the bottom of our hearts. Those who killed are not forgiven and punished. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

Moreover, the whole village was rescued and not the whole village settled down in Estonia.

In Estonia, it was exactly the opposite. Someone else does not live in that village. And we, too, have not forgotten anyone, and we have not forgotten anything. We are silent, but we remember.

[Professor]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: professor

Moreover, the whole village was rescued and not the whole village settled down in Estonia.

In Estonia, it was exactly the opposite. Someone else does not live in that village. And we, too, have not forgotten anyone, and we have not forgotten anything. We are silent, but we remember.

... have not forgotten and therefore do not live at home, but in the territory of the enemy?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

... have not forgotten and therefore do not live at home, but in the territory of the enemy?

Are you naive or misunderstood. I lived in the Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic, that is, in my own country, but at the behest of international swindlers, since August 20, 1992 I have been living in another state. It was you who lived in a foreign state, and now you are living in yours. But who told you that there are enemies in the state?

[Professor]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: professor

... have not forgotten and therefore do not live at home, but in the territory of the enemy?

Are you naive or misunderstood. I lived in the Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic, that is, in my own country, but at the behest of international swindlers, since August 20, 1992 I have been living in another state. It was you who lived in a foreign state, and now you are living in yours. But who told you that there are enemies in the state?

I lived in a foreign, and now in my own state. You have the opposite. Estonia, by the way, is famous for its attitude towards Russians, and honors SS veterans more than veterans of the Red Army. NATO country ... For me, the enemy.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

she is famous for her attitude towards Russians, and she honors SS veterans more than veterans of the Red Army. NATO country ... enemy to me

You know, as always, they embellish more, who benefits. Journalists, politicians pay them for it, but the common people live and live like that. We don’t hold rallies in the streets, although it’s just there were 100 or 50 people standing on the square, and even then there were more ukrov and Belarusians, but not locals. Estam don't need it. We need to work and feed our families.

[Orkraider]

We grieve for all those who died, at the hands of the Nazis and their henchmen.

In addition, I want to remind you of another event that took place on this day.

January 27, the day of the complete liberation of Leningrad from the fascist blockade!

[Ross xnumx]

It is estimated that during the war years in all these Nazi camps, about six million Jews from different countries of Europe died.

You know, over the years of WWII, more than 26 million people from all the republics of the Soviet Union were exterminated. Therefore, for me, the day of sorrow and the day of joy at the same time is May 000. And for myself I will not single out a separate episode of Jewish grief from our common grief.
For me, all this extermination of innocent people is equally painful, equally bitter.
Sorry, but these are my views.

[seacap]

And when the day of the "Catastrophe" of the Soviet people, the losses were an order of magnitude greater and were destroyed in the same way? That's right, there is no such thing, that's why Yeltsin centers are flourishing in our country, anti-Sovietism with "NKVD officers" is rushing for state money (the Brest fortress and border posts, by the way, are also the NKVD, like SMERSH, and partisans), "Kolya's boys" are brought up and excesses emerge from the eternal fire. The Ministry of Culture and TV, especially the 1st and the central ones, are essentially Russophobic, with their immoral performances, wretched smelling of garbage and secondhand corpses, consistently and persistently destroying the remnants of morality and ethics, turning the legendary and great history of the country, its veterans, into a wretched abomination and obscenity.

[Avior]

And when is the day of the "Catastrophe" of the Soviet people

ABOUT THE DAY OF MEMORY AND SORRY

DECREE

President of the Russian Federation
8 June 1996 year
N 857

(RG 96-109)

June 1941, XNUMX is one of the saddest dates in
our history, the beginning of the Great Patriotic War. This day
reminds us of all the victims, tortured to death in fascist captivity,
those who died in the rear from hunger and hardship. We mourn for all who cost
of his life he fulfilled his sacred duty to defend his homeland.
Paying tribute to the memory of the victims of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945
years, as well as the victims of all wars for the freedom and independence of our
Fatherland, I decree:
1. Establish that June 22 is Day of Remembrance and Grief.
On the Day of Memory and Grief throughout the country:
the state flags of the Russian Federation are lowered;
in cultural institutions, on television and radio are canceled
entertainment and broadcasts throughout the day.
2. This Decree comes into force from the date of its signing.

President of the Russian Federation B. Yeltsin
8 June 1996 year
N 857

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

no, well, by God, such angry philippics do not cause anything but laughter)

Quote: seacap

The Ministry of Culture and TV, especially the 1st and the central ones, are essentially Russophobic, with their immoral performances, wretched smelling garbage and corpses

Cool. That's right, comrade, fight for the purity of Channel One. Keep it up!
P.S. Where did you buy a TV with smell transmission?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

It was always curious: but, say, Ettore Ovazza, a Jew who financed Mussolini's RFP and a former member and publisher of it - a fascist who was killed by the Nazis after the release of the famous "Racial Manifesto" - is he a victim of the Holocaust?

[apro]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

fascist who was soaked by the Nazis after the release of the famous

And the Jew, Hitler, driven to the point of suicide by the IVS by Stalin, was a victim of the Holocaust or Jewish Bolshevik terror.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: apro

And the Jew, Hitler, driven to the point of suicide by the IVS by Stalin, was a victim of the Holocaust or Jewish Bolshevik terror.

then "the Jew Stalin".

[apro]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

then "the Jew Stalin".

IVS Stalin, communist, internationalist, all peoples are equally useful to him.

[Lord of the Sith]

It would be better to remember the death match - a football match played in German-occupied Kiev in the summer of 1942 between the local and German teams. Some time after this game, a number of Kiev football players ended up in concentration camps, and some were shot.

Our players broke them with a devastating score, and the Nazis could not forgive them for this.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

You'd better remember the death match

why is "better"? Because he snitched on his teammates, and four who played in Dynamo were taken away because they allegedly served in the NKVD? If the Germans were itching to take revenge, then why were those who played in Lokomotiv released?
So, I would not add this myth about the "death match" here.

[Lord of the Sith]

And who served in the NKVD, and who snitched? Surnames in the studio.

Or maybe the Great Patriotic War is a myth? And the burning of villages with populations ranging from babies to old people? A?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And who served in the NKVD, and who snitched? Surnames in the studio.

Yes please:

snitch - Georgy Vyachkis
served in the NKVD (according to the Gestapo) those who played for the departmental team, i.e. Dynamo. Someone there, during a search, found a photo in an NKVD uniform.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Or maybe the Great Patriotic War is a myth? And the burning of villages with populations ranging from babies to old people? A?

What "a" - why juggle?

[Lord of the Sith]

I don’t understand what you’re trying to prove? That there was no match? He was, and not alone.

And about Georgy Vyachkis mostly on ukroresursy written, and the Sumerians have not a gram of faith.
Was there a boy?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

I don’t understand what you are trying to prove? That there was no match?

Where exactly did I write that "was not"? I was talking about the mythological lining. This is a completely normal phenomenon of agitprop - some events of the war period are embellished and mythologized - this was necessary, the warring people needed spiritually uplifting stories. And after the war, no one examined anything for authenticity. So the myths became textbook plots. T.N. the "death match" is one such plot.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And about Georgy Vyachkis, it is mainly written on ukroresursy

well, but on Russian resources they call Shvetsov an informer. And what fundamentally changes? The fact of knocking was confirmed by both the Start participants themselves and the collaborators questioned after the war.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Was there a boy?

listen, I'm not going to convince you of anything. Everyone is free to believe what he wants.

[Lord of the Sith]

listen, I'm not going to convince you of anything. Everyone is free to believe what he wants.

I always hear this phrase when someone is trying to prove something, but there are no facts))))

If I start asking leading questions, what next? Hatred, cons, splashing saliva, stink up to the sky?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Hatred, cons, splashing saliva, stink up to the sky?

do not, somehow refrain from this.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

I always hear this phrase when someone is trying to provide something, but there are no facts))))

Well, with your expressive manner of conducting the discussion, it is not surprising that opponents prefer to round off the dispute) So you have facts that it was revenge on the part of the Germans?

Quote: Lord of the Sith

If I start asking leading questions, what next?

Never mind. You will remain with your opinion, I - with mine. Are you expecting something else?

[Lord of the Sith]

So I'm calm like a boa constrictor))

And you have to lay out all the data, as it was, do not bother)))

And the opinion has nothing to do with it. You only need to believe the facts. FACTS ONLY, underline in red.
Where are the facts?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And you should

I owe you, dear, nothing)

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And the opinion has nothing to do with it.

as you say. No - so no. I do not care.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Where are the facts?

You yourself brought at least one to prove your case? No? Well, as they say ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Eh, excuses, excuses. Just to fart into a puddle. Do not do this, it is contraindicated for the brain)))

So I didn't really hear anything. Only "I do not agree, but why, I won't tell."
Pathetic.

[Aaron Zawi]

Of course I knew that there were a lot of neo-Nazis on the forum, but so many ...
Well at least the majority of members of the forum and without the participation of Jews put these citizens in their place.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
Sometimes the long road of summer dreams
Scorching heat over the column that comes from the ghetto.
My grandmother presses her grandson to her heart,
And in her eyes her love and anguish.
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Souls, like bodies, will scream and get sick.
Everything passes ... Jews again go to their Calvary.
Eternal Jews expect a miracle from Moses:
“Lord, tell me: will they not shoot ?!” ...
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