The chances of the Ukrainian "mosquito fleet" against the Russian Black Sea Fleet: on the realities of the Ukrainian Navy

At the end of last year, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak called the Ukrainian mosquito fleet "kamikaze boats", and said that Ukraine urgently needs at least four corvettes to defend against the Black Sea fleet Russia.

Kamikaze boats or large warships

The idea of ​​creating a large fleet of small military boats to protect the coastal zone seems to be questioned at the highest level today. If we face the truth, then these boats are not capable of causing any serious damage to the warships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

If we are talking about the "mosquito fleet", then we are talking about kamikaze boats, which have a one-way ticket.

- considers the head of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

But the idea of ​​a "mosquito fleet" did not appear in Ukraine out of the blue, but only because the Ukrainian budget simply does not have enough funds for anything else. In addition, in 2014, the Kiev authorities lost, along with Crimea, about 70 percent of their warships and three-quarters of the personnel of the Navy.

An ardent supporter of the idea of ​​creating a fleet of small boats was the Deputy Chief of the General Staff Igor Kabanenko, but the then Commander-in-Chief of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Sergei Gaiduk strongly disagreed with him. This is what, in his opinion, the chances of the Ukrainian mosquito fleet against the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation: it will be drowned either immediately after entering the open sea, or even earlier, right at the berths. Instead, in 2016, Gaiduk suggested that the Vladimir Veliky corvette be refined and even acquired several submarines. But dreams have remained dreams.

Soon after these fantastic statements, the Commander-in-Chief of the Naval Forces of Ukraine was removed from office and honorably retired. And in the Ukrainian General Staff, the concept of a "mosquito fleet" reigned.

Fleet of combat boats of Ukraine: dreams and reality

At the moment, the Ukrainian "mosquito fleet" is not yet as large as it was assumed. It includes six armored river missile and artillery boats of the project 58150 of the Gyurza-M class, which are not particularly suitable for military operations due to their weak armor, modest armament and little impressive sailing data. They are more suited to chase poachers than to fight with the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, which they themselves constantly declare. These are Nikopol, Berdyansk, Lubny, Kremenchug, Akkerman and Vyshgorod.

The idea was to create rocket boats of the "Lan" type, on which the anti-ship systems "Neptune" would be installed. The Ministry of Defense did not like the trial version of the boat, so it was abandoned. Perhaps because the boat turned out to be much heavier than planned. And there are no “Neptuns” in ship performance yet.

A more serious technique is the two Island patrol boats of the American Coast Guard built in the 80s, which were transferred to Ukraine about two years ago. Having entered service with the Naval Forces of Ukraine, they were named "Starobelsk" and "Slavyansk". Actually, you should not expect anything supernatural from them, but they are quite capable of coping with coastal patrols or search and rescue operations.

Mark VI - the hope of the Ukrainian fleet

Still, one should not look down on the Ukrainian "mosquito fleet". In the near future, Ukraine plans to purchase 16 Mark VI small combat boats from the Pentagon. They were developed in the United States only about five years ago, that is, they are quite modern technology, surpassing the obsolete "Islands" in their characteristics.

They have aluminum hulls, have a displacement of 72 tons and are equipped with a solid machine gun and cannon armament. In addition, the Mark can be equipped with grenade launchers and light anti-ship missiles.

Its cruising range is 600 miles, which is quite enough for the waters of the Azov and Black Seas. It is capable of traveling at a speed of 35 knots.

In addition, it was assumed by the forces of the Kuznya na Rybalskiy shipyard, owned by Poroshenko, to establish more or less mass production of Gyurza-class boats. Now, after Khomchak's speech, it is possible that their construction in Ukraine will be abandoned, and again they will take up corvettes.

Of course, the Ukrainian General Staff is unlikely to seriously count on the defeat of the Russian Black Sea Fleet by the "valiant" Naval Forces and their "mosquito fleet", but, as practice shows, they are quite capable of arranging a large-scale provocation there. At the same time, they can sink their own boats themselves - as they say, before a real meeting with the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, then announcing that this is "Moscow's new aggression." From this point of view, the Ukrainian "chance" against the Russian Black Sea Fleet looms much more clearly. True, a separate question is how this can turn out for Kiev itself ...

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[Insurgent]

Odds ukrainsky "mosquito fleet" against the Russian Black Sea Fleet: on the realities of the Ukrainian Navy

Chances, realities? There was just a publication about the Okrug's intentions to convert the 48-year-old tug into a patrol ship.
Among those commenting on this "initiative" there are even those who regard this step as logical and natural.

Logical? maybe Only from which side? Considering that the Outskirts from the legacy of the USSR "fouled" EVERYTHING, both the fleet and shipyards and base in Crimea - then YES, "logical" ...


So what are the chances, prospects, and maritime "peremogo"

[Aerodrome]

just watch on YouTube how our "mirage" smashed the "fleet" of Georgia ... and calmed down.

[seregin-s1]

Ukrainian needs two "Mirages"!) Although one has enough anti-aircraft missiles!)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

So what are the chances, prospects, and maritime "peremogo"

Chances are about the same as throwing a company of infantrymen armed with Kalashnikovs against a T-72 tank.

[Fitter65]

Quote: tihonmarine

Chances are about the same as throwing a company of infantrymen armed with Kalashnikovs against a T-72 tank.

And the essence of that fable is as follows
that the hares will beat the lion in chorus ...
There was such an unprintable fable in use in the 70s and 80s among the youth of the yard, although instead of the word "they will score" they usually sounded an obscene synonym ...
And a company of infantrymen in urban conditions, and not only, with competent actions, a lone T-72 can be easily done. Unless, of course, they rush into the attack in dense rows with a flag and a drum ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fitter65

And a company of infantrymen in urban conditions, and not only, with competent actions, a lone T-72 can be easily done.

I wrote "a company with Kalashnikov", I did not write with RPGs, grenades and anti-tank mines. Well, of course you can fantasize, although in the open sea there will be only one "kyrdyk" fantasy.

[Fitter65]

Quote: tihonmarine

I wrote "a company with Kalashnikov", I did not write with RPGs, grenades and anti-tank mines.

So I didn’t talk about RPGs, grenades, anti-tank mines ... Watching the movie "Maxim Perepelitsa" how the infantry simply stopped the tank with the help of their greatcoats. And not in the city, or in the forest. Cinema, you say. And what prevents to do the same with the lonely T-72?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fitter65

We are watching the film "Maxim Perepelitsa" how the infantry simply stopped the tank with the help of their greatcoats. And not in the city, or in the forest.

Well, you can't argue against Maxim.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

It is ridiculous even to compare light boats of river and coastal navigation with the MARINE FLEET. But even if this whole "fleet" of Mosek attacks a single frigate of Russia (which is very difficult to imagine in reality) and they are very, very, very lucky, they will definitely not carry their legs. This is where the naval battles of the opposing fleets will end: one "fleet" will cease to exist, and the other will remain. Although, perhaps, a couple of ancient tugs, armed with pushers and loudly called patrol boats, will remain at the sea hole of Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But even if this entire "fleet" of Mosek attacks a single frigate of Russia

Ivan Krylov said: "That Pug know she is strong, if she barks at an elephant."
Krylov knew who he was talking about.

[Fitter65]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, you can't argue against Maxim.

As a guide for the actions of the infantry in defense, against a lone tank, a very good visual aid. If you look at it correctly ... As they say, in skillful hands and an oxtail rope.

[Fitter65]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, of course you can fantasize, although in the open sea there will be only one "kyrdyk" fantasy.

A boat in the sea is one thing, but a tank in the field is another ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fitter65

A boat in the sea is one thing, but a tank in the field is another ...

Probably a tank is harder to destroy than a boat on the high seas.

[Fitter65]

Quote: tihonmarine

Probably a tank is harder to destroy than a boat on the high seas.

A lone tank with no infantry support ... not much heavier than a boat at sea.

[sniperino]

Quote: Fitter65

hares will beat the lion in chorus

And now pestnya

On crooked, winding roads
Through the forest and mountains straight
We went to the funeral
And drove them a wheelless truck
Suddenly a gang jumped out of the forest
The truck had to be stopped
Then the dumb shouted something to the deaf
And the armless man raised his shotgun
Here's a blind man took aim and shot
He dumped seven on the spot
In a panic, the bandits fled
And the legless quickly caught up

There are chances.

[Russobel]

Chances are about the same as throwing a company of infantrymen armed with Kalashnikovs against a T-72 tank.

It reminded me of the cartoon "Alyosha Popovich and the Tugarin Serpent", they flew in a crowd, and then for some reason the dead were lying around ...
Ha ha

[Sahalinets]

The whole practice of naval battles clearly shows that any ships without serious air defense are sunk by aviation. Well, mosquitoes are drowned once or twice. Examples from the recent past are Iranian aircraft versus Iraqi boats and US aircraft versus Iranian boats.
I suppose ours will simply send planes, it will simply not come to ship battles.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sahalinets

I suppose ours will simply send planes, it will simply not come to ship battles.

I just thought, where are they going to organize naval battles, in what area.
Where do they have a naval base, a concentration zone, and that these boats have already become invisible. Well, I understand that education after the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine is zero, but not to the same degree. And in general, who commands them, the lieutenant general of the tank forces, then some kind of "dad", and the great infantry strategist develops plans for the conduct of war for the Navy.

[Ka-52]

And in the Ukrainian General Staff, the concept of a "mosquito fleet" reigned.

because in / in Ukraine strategic planning has long been replaced by national ideas. One is more beautiful and utopian than the other

[NDR-791]

Learn to do babosy - first ordering any junk that is not combat-ready. And then confess, repent, but grandma cannot be returned
1. Soon after these fantastic statements, the Commander-in-Chief of the Naval Forces of Ukraine was removed from office and honorably retired. And in the Ukrainian General Staff, the concept of a "mosquito fleet" reigned.
2. Ruslan Khomchak called the Ukrainian mosquito fleet "kamikaze boats"

[Ka-52]

exactly. Failure to plan will have to answer. And why answer for the impossibility of a national idea - it is an idea that does not require a signature and an official seal. in extreme cases, there are "Muscovites" curses, on which you can write off everything

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In order for the crews of boats to become "kamikaze", it is necessary to tie pieces of bacon to the side of the Black Sea Fleet ships, at least.

[NDR-791]

you need to tie pieces of bacon to the side of the Black Sea Fleet ships
Not necessary at all. There now "ideological" in the leadership rule. I have not yet died into battle. The sailors, as always, will be extreme, but they don't care.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ka-52

because in / in Ukraine strategic planning has long been replaced by national ideas. One is more beautiful and utopian than the other

How to plan? What a normal person has is the BRAIN, the Bandera's has dried up to the CEREBREL.

Reverse evolution ...

[alex neym_2]

Corvettes, you say? The thing is tempting ... but for whose money? Yes, a geyropa with mattress covers will lend a penny - perhaps the great-grandchildren will pay off.

[Ros 56]

You say your great-grandchildren, and where will they come from with such dumb-bells? The striped ones cannot wait that long, they will drive them to slaughter earlier.

[Mykhalych]

Well, yes, - well, yes, from the "opera" of the urgent service of the 80s: and the essence of that fable is as follows - "... fifty hares pi .... yat lion." But the lion has long claws and many of them. Destroy.[i] [/ i]

[askort154]

Ukraine now, like Russia in the 90s, makes up its annual budget only after receiving a loan from the IMF. Moreover, she must return more than she receives. So in 2021, it should return 1,7 billion, and will receive two tranches for a total amount of 1,4 billion. In 2022 ,. should return already 2,4 billion.
Russia has scratched itself out of the "IMF swamp", and Ukraine will only sink into it every year. Therefore, the people are "fed" with stories about tomorrow's greatness of Ukraine in all directions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

Therefore, the people are "fed" with stories about tomorrow's greatness of Ukraine in all directions.

And if translated into normal language, it turns out - "Life has become better, life has become more fun, the neck has become thinner, but longer."

[Ros 56]

Our Black Sea RTOs will greet and calibrate these eccentrics to the letter М... And that's the end of it.

[Scharnhorst]

I will give you to the tribunal for using "Caliber" for an unworthy target! Only 76 or 100 caliber and no more than five shells per exercise!

[Ros 56]

In my opinion, you should not underestimate these, which are in the letter M. To beat, then so that it was not excruciatingly painful for the unfinished work of SMERSH in the forties.

[Scharnhorst]

Since you forgot to include a sense of humor, then take the trouble to explain yourself for words

will greet and calibrate

in the context of Russian patriotism!

[sniperino]

Quote: Ros 56

To beat, then so that it was not excruciatingly painful for the unfinished work of SMERSH in the forties

You cannot take them with a tank, because they will rob the population for a month or two in the ATO zone, then they walk around cities and villages in camouflage as wiped out and demand respect for themselves. But SMERSH would get it.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Sick country. Sick generals. They will never learn to look beyond the "ditches of their farm". This is a national feature.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Sick country. Sick generals. They will never learn to look beyond the "ditches of their farm". This is a national feature.

This is a feature degenerates.

A.V. Zakharchenko did not hesitate to call himself Ukrainian.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And Chernyakhovsky was Ukrainian. And Marshal Kozhedub. And who are these, the current ones? ..

[Insurgent]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

And Chernyakhovsky was Ukrainian. And Marshal Kozhedub. And who are these, the current ones? ..

Read, I write about what I saw / see, knew / know:

Quote: Insurgent

What a normal person has is the BRAIN, the Bandera's has dried up to the CEREBREL.

Reverse evolution ...

[Ros 56]

Well, do not confuse the Ukrainians with the Bandera rump. By the way, you have forgotten Kovpak, Vershigora and many others, these were indeed Ukrainians.

[vladcub]

What does nationality have to do with it? In every nation there are worthy, and there is a finished one

[sniperino]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

This is a national feature.

Are you talking about Kozhedub? Ethnologists (censored).

[Dimide]

In February, the laying of the first Ada-type corvette in the interests of Ukraine is expected at the Turkish shipyards. The Ukrainian side insists on equipping the corvette with a propulsion system from Zarya-Machproekt
Also, in the framework of cooperation with Great Britain, "Bae System" is developing a missile boat project, taking into account the wishes of the Ukrainian military

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dimid

In February, the laying of the first Ada-class corvette in the interests of Ukraine is expected at the Turkish shipyards.

Glory to the eggs Outskirts !

[north 2]

Okraina has no money to build modern corvettes herself. And the Sumerian mosquito fleet can become dangerous for the Russian Black Sea Fleet only in two cases.
First .
If the ships of this Mosquito Fleet of Okraina are equipped with American Griffin missiles, or something similar.
Second.
If the ships of the World Cup of Russia and their crews suddenly go blind and allow the ships of the Okraina mosquito fleet to reach them closer than ten nautical miles, at a distance that can be covered by Griffin missiles or the like. But what can happen to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, so that they would not strike at the ships of the mosquito fleet, until they come closer to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet closer than ten nautical miles, what can happen to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, I cannot imagine. Machine-gun and small-caliber artillery weapons can also be used only after a couple of nautical miles to the Black Sea Fleet ships. And which warship of the Black Sea Fleet to admit to itself at a distance so that it would be shot from a machine gun or a small-caliber cannon.
This means that Okraina will whine and beg the United States to give the United States at least the decommissioned ones. old ones, but corvettes or even destroyers.

[vladcub]

Not necessarily the Russian Black Sea Fleet, ANY fleet will not allow it to be shot from machine guns

[7,62x54]

The purpose of the Ukrainian fleet is to carry out a provocation against Russia, and thereby hope for a response in order to draw into a war in which NATO forces will participate. So to speak, the fleet is warming up.

[Doccor18]

... that Ukraine urgently needs at least four corvettes to defend against Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is certainly not the 7th US fleet, but for it 4 corvettes will not be enough ...
And it's not about the navy ...

[Dimon-SPG]

How dangerous can floating armored personnel carriers be for the fleet? From mosquitoes and then more trouble.

[WayKheThuo]

Please clarify - took:
1. Light and fast boat.
2. Unobtrusive - made of wood, plastic, whatever.
3. Very high-speed (powerful dvigun, all things).
4. Armed with a powerful torpedo or missiles.
He quickly flew up, fired and ran away, if it worked out, of course. And on the shore - a powerful battery of cover with missiles, mines, cannons and in general - full, as they say, stuffing.
And "set" such boats at the rate of 5 pieces for one big one. Out of 5 torpedoes (missiles), something will hit a large ship, if not a "kirdyk", then it will be incapacitated in any way.
Plus surprise, plus coherence, plus morale - they can wipe their nose, especially if there is good coastal protection.
Moreover, the Black Sea is not an ocean, a relatively small theater of military operations - you can quickly escape under the protection of your shores ...

The question is - what am I wrong? There is definitely a catch, because everything turns out very simply.

[Lex_is]

Yes, there are some minor issues:
1. Dodge enemy aircraft.
2. Find that big ship.
3. Wait for suitable weather
4. Be able to reach the attack distance alive.

Otherwise, everything is fine.

[vladcub]

"Finding that big ship" is not a problem to find, but to agree with that ship: "wait while we attack you" is a problem. Although, if it is possible without declaring war, it will still be a serious response

[Scharnhorst]

Passion for the concept of "Mosquito Fleet" was also in the pre-war USSR. For example, the Black Sea Fleet had two brigades of G-5 type torpedo boats. Just read the chapter "Project Evaluation" in Wikipedia on the page about this type of boat and then try to find analogues in modern naval forces. The fleet on such a basis will not win a modern war, which means that all peacetime will be inept to eat up the country's budget, and during the war it will greatly disappoint the owner.
With regard to Ukraine, you are right. It is possible to protect the beaches of Odessa and Berdyansk.

[WayKheThuo]

Just read the chapter "Project Evaluation"

I read it and realized that the G-5 was not used for its intended purpose, but it was either difficult or impossible to use it for its intended purpose because of its very poor seaworthiness.
Indeed, if you can carry out a torpedo launch only with waves of no more than 1 point, and go out to sea no more than 3, this is a fiasco.
Nevertheless, it should be noted that with the advent of missiles, the boat changed from a torpedo boat to a rocket boat. But the essence remains the same - fast, biting, unobtrusive.
This concept is still alive and what prevents a potential enemy from using it in the Black Sea?

[Scharnhorst]

Italy in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea built six high-speed missile boats of the "Sparviero" at the end of the last century. Ukraine on the Black Sea is somewhat similar to Italy on the Mediterranean, and the Italian school of shipbuilding is not the last in the world. The Sparviero is four times heavier than the G-5 (60 tons versus 15). Read how this Italian version of the modern "fast, biting, stealthy" missile boat ended with a continuation in the Japanese Navy. Italy and Japan are much more authoritative maritime powers in comparison with Ukraine, I think so!

[Avior]

unsuccessful article.
The author wrote about patrol boats, for which anti-ship functions are unusual (and then I missed the French FPB-98 Mk1, which are currently being built), but at the same time bypassed the agreement with the British on the construction of missile boats with modern Norwegian NSM anti-ship missiles.

[vladcub]

"More mass production of boats of the" Gyurza "class, Pan Poroshenko would only be in favor.
In principle: "Gyurza" are good to drive some guerrillas in South America, but "Uncle Sam" doesn't need competitors in FIG

[xomaNN]

The question is not the combat capabilities of the Ukrainian Navy. Any of their boats, which is or appears, is dangerous only because it will be thrown to provoke some kind of NK Black Sea Fleet. The method of the street punks - a harmless puny teases a serious man. And around the corner a crowd of punks immediately appears - "Why are you kidding me?"

[Pamir]

The question is, what do boats have to do with the mosquito fleet? The "mosquito" fleet has always been attributed to RTOs, because it is a different class of displacement ships. After all, boats cannot move further than 50 km from the coastline, or am I mistaken? low-side boats equipped with two small-caliber cannons with automatic weapons against the Navy or the Aerospace Forces, if only to protect the Ukrainian water area of ​​Azov, they will probably go there.