Our most central central bank in the world

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Ploy number 22


Charles de Montesquieu also warned Louis XV that

"Financiers support the state in the same way that a rope supports a hanged man."

It did not help - forty years later, the collapse of royal finances became one of the main reasons for the French Revolution.



The Russian Central Bank is also unlikely to heed the warnings of one of the founders of liberalism - this is plusquamperfekt (difficult times long past). In vain ...

But what else can you demand from the office, for which for many years all the laws were rewritten that allowed (no, not to control its work) at least to keep an eye on the pulse.

For some time now, there are so many oddities in the legal acts that govern the work of the Bank of Russia that one can simply marvel at it. AND

"Branch of the American Fed"

- this is by no means said by us about the Russian Central Bank.

In our opinion, the most important of these oddities is

"The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the federal budget deficit."

This is from Article 22 of the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation", which dictates actions according to the principle: save yourself, who can. The pandemic only showed, like a litmus test, this dubious, to put it mildly, legal postulate.

After all, it was he who either forced or allowed to rotate combinations, such as buying Sberbank "from ourselves." Well, basically sit like a dog in the hay, on the multibillion-dollar reserves earned over the "fat" years.

However, why sit? Everything acquired, judging by all the reports of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, works and is very good. By being invested in securities denominated in dollars and euros, or simply - in dollars and euros.

The Fed and the European Central Bank can print them to pay off the dire consequences of the coronavirus, as they please. Moscow doesn't mind. Yes, Beijing is slightly resisting, but where will it go without the American and European markets.

Buy not sell


The same Article 22 prohibits the Central Bank from buying government securities at their initial offering. An exception is made only for those cases when it is provided for by the Federal Law "On the Federal Budget". That is, with the privatization of something, or, conversely, with the nationalization.

The latest in the newest stories Russia is practically not noted, although something similar happened quite recently, when the development institutions were shaken up (Nanoachievements of Anatoly Chubais's empire. Failure at public expense).

And it suddenly became possible even in the fairly central press, as well as on the pages of the Military Review, to write about the features of Russian nanotechnology (Optimizing optimizers).

But then there is more.

The Bank of Russia, this absolutely independent (it is not entirely clear from whom - from the executive or still from the legislative branch) institution cannot lend to the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, local budgets, and even (oh, horror!) Off-budget funds.

To finance the coverage of budget deficits at any level - too. But it was only before the pandemic that it was possible to make ends meet both at the federal level and at the local level?

Now times are different - pandemic, quarantine, lockdown. All who can and who cannot are pouring empty trillions into crisis industries, but most of all - into people. Bubbles of euros and dollars have swollen due to the fact that there is simply nothing to provide them and no one.

But for most countries, whose economies are listed as more developed than Russia, living on credit and with budget deficits is the norm. For Russia, this was the norm only in the era of reforms. Then we put all our efforts into making the budget surplus.

Even under the pension reform, almost for the sake of this, they drove themselves. And what - again, everything that is ours by definition, will we give to the enemy? Like dinner. Although, it seems, they did not even have time to have breakfast properly.

America is not a decree for us?


Our most central central bank in the world

Liberal economists who gave a free Central Bank insist that the American analogue of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, the Federal Reserve System, also has no right to purchase US Treasury bonds. But this, if directly, but no one forbids investing in those securities that have already gone to the market.

For a long time the Federal Reserve System has been sucking "extra" Treasury and mortgage securities from this market. And such clever people as in the Russian (and, incidentally, in the Chinese, and in the Indian, and practically in all) Central Banks, they were all bought out for themselves.

Keeping the Americans afloat. Since without the United States, it turns out, oh, how scary. At one point, the portfolio of Treasuries and mortgage bonds made up 95% of all the Fed's assets - in fact, a private shop hired by the US government many years ago in order to steer dollars.

In this sense, the Russian Central Bank is not formally so "independent". But it is invested exactly where it was written by our "independent" colleagues - in assets directly or indirectly controlled by a private company, the Federal Reserve System.

For the second decade now, the Bank of Russia investments in assets that are de facto or de jure outside Russia exceed 60% of all its assets. And only a third of them account for loans and deposits within the country, as well as for precious metals. In other words, it can work domestically as well.

Time will tell nothing



The beginning of the year is the time for all sorts of reports. And we will find out how things are with the reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, with the budget deficit, with the spending of the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund. And also, let's hope, with the pension fund - that is, with the funds of the Pension Fund.

Experts know that with the unfolding of the war of sanctions, the Bank of Russia has become more active in the stock and foreign exchange markets. It is risky, but everything is better than just investing in foreign assets (“passive”).

However, at the same time, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation did not bother with extended lending to its main wards - commercial banks. Although, due to the pandemic, it would be very logical. There are a number of industries, and very high-tech ones, which are growing by leaps and bounds due to a pandemic, quarantine and lockdowns.

And there is no doubt that banks also lend them. But basically they are not those whom our most central Bank of Russia in the world has long and stubbornly deduced among the most "chosen" ones.
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  1. +41
    28 January 2021 15: 05
    Currently, the Central Bank does not actually belong to the people of the Russian Federation and, in fact, performs the functions of a subordinate structure of the IMF. This follows from the Federal Law "On the Central Bank ..."
    Art. 1 "... The Bank of Russia is a legal entity ..."
    The Central Bank is a private legal entity, i.e. now it is not a state bank. Despite the fact that "the Bank of Russia has a seal depicting the State Emblem of the Russian Federation," the Russian money depicts the coat of arms of the provisional government of 1917, which indicates the lack of nationality of the Central Bank.
    Art. 2 "... The state is not responsible for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia is not responsible for the obligations of the state ..."
    What to say next, everything is already clear with this bank.
    In the USSR there was the State Bank. The State Bank of the USSR - the main bank of the USSR - the single issuing, cash and settlement center of the Soviet state, the main bank for lending and financing the national economy and the population. The bank of the state, and not a private person.
    1. +26
      28 January 2021 15: 14
      "Branch of the American Fed"
      That says it all ! And nothing to add!
      1. +18
        28 January 2021 16: 45
        The people will not really understand anything and act correctly for their prosperous future until they understand that in fact there is already an informal STATE ideology in the country in the form of the COLONIAL-PARASITARY paradigm of the American economist Milton Friedman, which is set out in his book "Capitalism and freedom "on the first 20 pages. Namely.

        Unfortunately, on this issue, Russian education in the country has long been "sour". The bourgeois ideology of the American economist M. Friedman is no longer called "bourgeois", but is called abstractly class ideology simply "market" with elements of the so-called. "Monetarism" (i.e. bourgeois pursuit of financial profits).
        But you can not equalize the concept of real capitalism with all its flaws with the doctrinaire idea of ​​the American Milton Friedman in the form of a kind of speculative social project, embodied in life, to build a supposedly ideally fair capitalism on Earth around the world. By what means?
        At the expense supposedly the existence in the world of a certain ANARCHISTIC is absolutely "free" from everyone and every world market, which is supposedly absolutely "clean" from profanities and dishonesty both on the part of the participants of the capital market, goods (services) and labor, and from the pressure on them by the national states... And at the same time, the author assumes that all market participants free from the state are initially at all times equal in their life start and can always become rich if they just want it. This is pure utopia and bluff!
        Behind this attempt by Milton Friedman to whitewash capitalism lies a very definite goal taken by Washington's apologists. Namely.
        The purpose of this American bluff is to make the sovereign countries "indigenous" for the United States, uncontrollably and duty-free by their governments, mistakenly, free and defenseless from competition, open access for US multinational companies to their domestic markets for the sale of foreign goods and the purchase of "indigenous" wealth by foreigners , enterprises and natural resources.
        In this case, reduction of native state property in the maximum - to "0" - is promoted by the "market people" exclusively as a public good. For the state supposedly does not need to control anything, there is no need to punish anyone, and there is no need to regulate trade and production either. That at the same time all members of society will become such honest and law-abiding entrepreneurs that therefore it will no longer be necessary to protect the population from swindlers, thieves, robbers and murderers. And therefore, the alleged national state, as an anachronism, will disappear by itself as unnecessary, and there is no need to defend it at all. For the distribution of material goods "from above" at the state level is not required, because everything will be regulated by this "ideal" capitalist market. But those who did not fit into the market are already their problems. Let, they say, they survive on their own, as they can. These include in particular all the so-called. "superfluous" people: pensioners, disabled people, children, etc. - all those who "did not fit into the market." But they should be "happy" with their freedom from the centuries-old, fattening abstract-bureaucratic state, which has always been dreamed of by the anarchists for centuries.

        TOTAL. All this Milton Friedman's ideology about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market is an anarchist propaganda of the American establishment to disintegrate the national security of sovereign states to their complete elimination and subjugation of their resources in favor of US multinational companies. And unfortunately this ideology is UNOFICIALLY adopted by the Russian ruling elite, as a state ideology. It is implemented in practice by the government of the Russian Federation, the guarantor of the liberal Constitution of the Russian Federation, in the State Duma and the Federation Council. On the basis of the very Constitution of the Russian Federation, written for Russian liberals, the authorities from the side of specialists from the United States.
        And the HSE is the forge of bourgeois young cadres in this comprador economy and its apologists.

        REFERENCE
        Compradorism (Spanish comprador buyer) is a way of doing business in which profit is derived from activities that undermine its national economy and reduce its ability to grow and ...
        1. +13
          28 January 2021 17: 15
          Quote: Crowe
          Currently, the Central Bank does not actually belong to the people of the Russian Federation and in fact performs the functions of a subordinate structure of the IMF.

          That's all right. And it happened legally under Yeltsin. Namely.

          After ratification of the Bialowieza Accords, Russia turned into a colony of a unipolar world led by Washington. One of the most important tools for managing Russia as a colony, became a new credit and financial system (CFS) of Russia.
          On 20 of December 1991, the State Bank of the USSR was abolished. All assets, liabilities and property of the USSR State Bank on the territory of the RSFSR were transferred to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. A few months later, the Central Bank of the RSFSR (Bank of Russia) was renamed the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia).
          The very first version of the law "On the Central Bank of the RSFSR (Bank of Russia)" was adopted on December 2, 1990, after the summer of 1990 B.N. Yeltsin won the elections by a huge margin and became the first president of Russia. AND after six months his presidency EBN signed the Federal Law dated 02.12.1990 No. 394-1. The law was modified and supplemented, but on the whole its essence was preserved.

          The betrayal of the national sovereignty of the Russian Federation in the field of finance is laid down and reinforced in its very Constitution of the Russian Federation of December 12, 1993, which was compiled at EBN under the patronage of Washington.
          Officially, the authors of this colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation from the 1993 of the year were: Sergei Shakhrai, Anatoly Sobchak, Sergey Sergeyevich Alekseev and the Constitutional Meeting of the Russian Federation.
          The Constitution of the Russian Federation from 1993 of the year only consolidated the colonial position of the Russian Federation in this matter.
          As a result, we have colonial legislation in the country, which, it seems, is impossible under the KOMPRADOR power to cancel in any way peacefully.
          1. 0
            2 February 2021 07: 32
            ..financial terror by banking syndicates, and the civilian population is not included in the sphere of interests of the state (an official is the public president of managers, presidents do not rely on the civilian population of the state, but on their (local) presidential managers, ambassadors, diplomats, other officials. ...
    2. +23
      28 January 2021 15: 14
      Crowe -USSR was an INDEPENDENT country that dictated its will to at least half of the planet! negative
    3. -10
      28 January 2021 15: 14
      And what kind of person should he be, physical or what? A legal entity does not mean that it is a commercial structure. The authorities are also legal entities. You write about what you do not know.
    4. +21
      28 January 2021 15: 21
      So much has already been said and written about the Central Bank, only to the point of "zero", things are still there !!! It's time to nationalize and not waste time like in the painting by S. Dali.
      1. +15
        28 January 2021 15: 44
        This "time" is already decades late!
        Only who will give you (and me, us)? !!
        Without radical change of power, demolition of farting bourgeois will be nothing!
        Even though we’ll go out on chatter here!
        What's the use of the chatter?
      2. +12
        28 January 2021 15: 45
        No, we can only change the constitution about "null"
      3. +10
        28 January 2021 17: 17
        It's time to nationalize

        And who will allow us to do this?
        And who will nationalize?
    5. +18
      28 January 2021 15: 36


      Everything you need to know about the Central Bank
    6. +28
      28 January 2021 15: 40
      Quote: Crowe
      Currently, the Central Bank does not actually belong to the people of the Russian Federation and in fact performs the functions of a subordinate structure of the IMF.

      I remember a year ago, the Putriots argued that the constitution was "not like that." And as soon as it becomes "correct", so the next morning and finally heal. The Constitution has become "correct" for almost 8 months. But the Central Bank ... Something, I think, in the current situation, the Central Bank will remain a shop working for someone's private interests, and not for the state. Yes
      1. +6
        28 January 2021 17: 18
        You don't understand, this is different.
      2. +16
        28 January 2021 19: 15
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        I remember, a year ago, the Putriots argued that the constitution was "not like that."

        There are no patriots ... or rather, they are the same patriots as people who are now invested with power and money, but prefer to keep their money in the camp of the enemy ... just like teaching children and having real estate ...
        The Constitution has become "correct" for almost 8 months. But the Central Bank ... Something, I think, in the current situation, the Central Bank will remain a shop working for someone's private interests, and not for the state. yes

        It’s interesting when it will come to everyone that the authorities are cheats and crooks ..
        1. +19
          29 January 2021 08: 29
          Quote: Svarog
          There are no patriots ... or rather, they are the same patriots as people who are now invested with power and money, but prefer to keep their money in the camp of the enemy ... just like teaching children and having real estate.

          That's what we're talking about - putriots are not patriots
    7. +16
      28 January 2021 16: 20
      The Central Bank is not targeting the Russian sector of the economy. Created on the initiative of the US Federal Reserve and with the support of foreign advisers, the Central Bank is a branch of the American financial structure with the obligation to place all proceeds for the sale of Russian hydrocarbons on world exchanges in foreign bonds, thereby supporting the Western economy.
      1. +13
        28 January 2021 19: 18
        Quote: Jaromir
        The Central Bank is not targeting the Russian sector of the economy. Created on the initiative of the US Federal Reserve and with the support of foreign advisers, the Central Bank is a branch of the American financial structure with the obligation to place all proceeds for the sale of Russian hydrocarbons on world exchanges in foreign bonds, thereby supporting the Western economy.

        So it is .. and why should they fight with us .. nothing other than a circus performance with clearly defined roles .. as long as we rob you, and you allow, we will allow robbing the population of your country.
        But so that they would not suspect anything and that patriotic feelings would not let them go ... even in a hungry time ... we will pretend that we are fierce enemies ...
      2. +2
        29 January 2021 04: 55




        Briefly, it is popular how and why the US and the FRS are still alive and why their debts will continue to be paid. Text from a book.
      3. 0
        29 January 2021 16: 31
        That is, is it daunting for you to compare the volume of foreign exchange earnings from the export of Russian hydrocarbons with the growth dynamics of the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Bank of Russia over the past 10 years? Secretly, the difference will be 5 times, if not more.
    8. -12
      28 January 2021 19: 28
      Putin has already tried to nationalize the Central Bank three times, they do not give it, I hope it will be possible for the fourth time.
      1. +2
        29 January 2021 08: 09
        How is it not given?
        1. -4
          29 January 2021 09: 10
          Quote: military_cat
          How is it not given?

          And this is the question. Before the adoption of the amendments to the Constitution, there were not enough supporters and levers in the law of the Russian Federation. In the 90s and early 2000s, a lot of all sorts of bullshit working against Russia was pushed into the law. Many pro-Western officials were seated in chairs. For example, there was a law allowing employers to delay employees' salaries for 2 months, and so on. Now, after the amendments, I think it will be possible to return the Central Bank to the control of Russia.
    9. 0
      31 January 2021 13: 49
      Russian money depicts the coat of arms of the provisional government of 1917, which indicates the lack of nationality of the Central Bank
      dear, the coat of arms on coins (and only on them, and not on all the money) has long been replaced by the coat of arms of the Russian Federation. Take a closer look at the little things in your pockets. Now, coins with the old coat of arms are still in use, but there are fewer and fewer of them. Before you write about something, you study the materiel.
  2. +16
    28 January 2021 15: 12
    And who in general wrote such laws for the Central Bank, which is simply not able to help the Russian economy because of these laws? Isn't it time to revive the NKVD and begin deprivatization while the country still has at least something left that seems to belong to Russia? ??
    1. +14
      28 January 2021 15: 26
      Quote: Thrifty
      Isn't it time to revive the NKVD

      and the State Bank ... lol
      1. +4
        28 January 2021 15: 39
        And the Holy Inquisition ... Working on heretics is just her profile ..
        1. +9
          28 January 2021 17: 19
          Gundyaev just shuddered.
    2. +15
      28 January 2021 15: 45
      Quote: Thrifty
      Isn't it time to revive the NKVD and start deprivatization

      Heh. 20 years ago, the main patriot of Russia said. There will be no revisions of the privatization results. So ... Nope. The guarantor is against. Yes
      PS
      Our state strictly follows the principle that a thief must sit. But the distribution, where he will sit, on a bunk or on a yacht ... This is already carried out in manual mode.
      1. +9
        28 January 2021 15: 49
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        There will be no revisions of the privatization results.

        of course it won't, it will have to jail all respected people, how can you? belay
      2. +12
        28 January 2021 19: 21
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Our state strictly follows the principle that a thief must sit. But the distribution, where he will sit, on a bunk or on a yacht ... This is already carried out in manual mode.

        Distribution by the volume of theft and unfastening in the common fund is carried out ..
    3. +7
      28 January 2021 16: 27
      Quote: Thrifty
      Who wrote such laws for the Central Bank

      I don’t know who wrote, but the Federal Law adopted by the State Duma
    4. +7
      28 January 2021 16: 51
      start deprivatization

      Before deprivatization, it is imperative to carry out total deratization, otherwise these rats will certainly take everything away again ...
    5. +10
      28 January 2021 19: 19
      Quote: Thrifty
      Isn't it time to revive the NKVD and start deprivatization while the country still has at least something left that seems to belong to Russia? ??

      Then they will all be shot ... they do not want this and will not allow it ...
    6. 0
      31 January 2021 09: 25
      Isn't it time to revive the NKVD and start deprivatization while the country still has at least something left that seems to belong to Russia? ??

      How easy it is with you, the caps and urapatriots will ruin the statehood. wink Yes, firstly the FSB will not allow you, and secondly, "the world behind the scenes."
      It has long been proven a hundred times to everyone who can read that it was counterintelligence that betrayed the USSR and prepared a cap. coup and all the agents of Shevardnadze Yakovlev Gorbachev was Yuri Vladimirovich Andropov
  3. +20
    28 January 2021 15: 14
    I'm sorry .. but is it really ours ?? this same Central Bank.
    1. +12
      28 January 2021 19: 23
      Quote: Atlant-1164
      I'm sorry .. but is it really ours ?? this same Central Bank.

      Don't apologize .. ours is nothing at all .. even real estate ownership is no longer such a property ..
  4. +15
    28 January 2021 15: 14
    The Central Bank supports a system in which the dollar is an international standard, itself not tied to anything. The inflation of the dollar brings about the inflation of the ruble and the purchasing power of our money is shifted to newly printed dollars. All this removes from the economy all the surplus value that is created in our country. In fact, production growth lags behind inflation. Thus, the robbery of the economy occurs at the state level.
    1. +9
      28 January 2021 15: 38
      Dollar inflation entails ruble inflation

      It does not entail, it is stupidly shifted to the ruble. And other colonial currencies. And people are still surprised - somehow, they print a lot of left bucks, but there is practically no dollar inflation .. Therefore, it is not - that it becomes ruble, lire, rupee, tugrik, kwanzawa, ngultrum and so on ...
      1. +11
        28 January 2021 19: 24
        Quote: paul3390
        It does not entail, it is stupidly shifted to the ruble

        It is shifted to the population of the country .. and the population fiercely supports it .. because the enemy is coming from all sides and the government is in danger ..
      2. +2
        28 January 2021 22: 32
        the purchasing power of the dollar falls by about 2 percent a year, but colonial currencies that are not firmly pegged to the dollar are losing more
    2. +5
      28 January 2021 15: 53
      Quote: aybolyt678
      The Central Bank maintains a system in which the dollar is the international standard

  5. +13
    28 January 2021 15: 20
    No wonder they say that Russia is a US colony. Have nuclear weapons, the army, the police, and how do you have to keep the power in a fist in order to voluntarily transfer all the money to the United States? So the elections are useless? Nothing can be done here without the army and the military. It remains only to state the facts!
    1. +9
      28 January 2021 15: 46
      Not an army people I must say a word, perform an action ...
      And not to sit there, you know what ...
      1. -2
        29 January 2021 01: 24
        and the people for a bulk clown, ... for large-scale fraud in bulk 3 years conditional article 159 3. Fraud committed by a person using his official position, as well as on a large scale, is punishable by a fine of one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of a convicted person for a period of one to three years, or forced labor for up to five years with restriction of liberty for up to two years or without it, or imprisonment for up to six years with a fine in the amount of up to eighty thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to six months, or without it and with restriction of freedom for a period of up to one and a half years or without it. 4. Fraud committed by an organized group, or on an especially large scale, or which entailed the deprivation of a citizen's right to housing, - shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of up to ten years with a fine of up to one million rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period up to three years or without it and with restriction of liberty for up to two years or without it.

        Source: http://oukrf.ru/st159


        and Colonel Kvachkov was charged without a single proof of armed rebellion and terrorism (with the help of a crossbow!) .... and given 10 years ... the government is not afraid of liberals, it is afraid of patriots, so who is she?
        1. -1
          29 January 2021 06: 14
          Yeah, like there was a fraud, but for some reason the person involved walks ...
          Not that they are not afraid of him - he is clearly playing on the same field with the authorities, taking the protest into a safe channel for them, towards stupid "laws", "rights", complaints ...
          And it turns out!
          Because Navalny agitates constantly...

          And Kvachkov was trying to solve something by a secret conspiracy.
          Moreover, it is completely meaningless and stupid.
          Well, they killed one odious figure - and why?
          He is not one, not two of them, not ten ...

          Judging by his age - Kvachkov was supposed to study the works of Lenin ...
          But it seems like he copied or simply did not understand anything.
          Masses decide, people!
          Agitation and propaganda.
          And the conspirators are being caught!

          I do not respect Kvachkov, he is not a leader, not an ideologist, not a politician at all, unlike ...
        2. 0
          29 January 2021 16: 36
          Colonel Kvachkov is an example of patriotic idle talk and carelessness. The country taught him, fed him, gave him drink, trained him for 30 years, and he screwed up at the most responsible moment. And people like Kvachkov are legion. Only in the Internet tryndet and can.
    2. +2
      28 January 2021 18: 14
      Have nuclear weapons, army, police

      This is a great recipe. Braces + iron fist.
    3. +10
      28 January 2021 19: 29
      Quote: steel maker
      So the elections are useless? Nothing can be done here without the army and the military. It remains only to state the facts!

      Nothing can be done until the bulk of the population reaches that a piece of bread needs to be ripped out of the greasy little hands of the bourgeoisie ... they just won't give it back .. and so that the "bad" people would not snatch a piece of bread, the bourgeoisie hired for this piece professionals and those who will beat the hands of the starving ..
  6. -16
    28 January 2021 15: 22
    Quote: Crowe
    Currently, the Central Bank does not actually belong to the people of the Russian Federation and, in fact, performs the functions of a subordinate structure of the IMF. This follows from the Federal Law "On the Central Bank ..."
    Art. 1 "... The Bank of Russia is a legal entity ..."
    The Central Bank is a private legal entity, i.e. now it is not a state bank.

    Do you equate a legal entity and an individual?
    1. +3
      28 January 2021 20: 47
      Quote: Tagan
      Do you equate a legal entity and an individual?

      in general, it is the main person in the country who rules everything and substitutes others. These others are also not offended ... And it doesn't matter how it is written in the Constitution or what kind of person he is, the main thing is that he is above the law ...
  7. +11
    28 January 2021 15: 24
    For some time now, there are so many oddities in the legal acts that govern the work of the Bank of Russia that one can simply marvel at it. AND
    "Branch of the American Fed"

    - this is by no means said by us about the Russian Central Bank.

    It was enough for us to know that the following facts were in the life of Sahip-zade:
    Elvira Nabiullina, the head of the Russian Central Bank, received an award from Euromoney magazine, which annually awards awards for the best achievements in the field of banking, finance and investment in 70 countries of the world ...

    Euromoney magazine experts named the chairman of the Russian Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina the best central banker of 2015. The title of The Central Bank Governor of the Year was awarded for resisting the economic storm that has covered Russia with reasonable measures.

    If the enemies began to praise someone, you need to think about why ...
  8. -16
    28 January 2021 15: 25
    The authors again went largely without taking off their pants. A ban for the Central Bank on direct lending to the Government and budgets was made in order to avoid uncontrolled emission. The government, if necessary, can issue securities, which will also be bought by state banks (Sberbank, VTB, Rosselkhoz or other commercial), if necessary, refinance - they will pledge these securities from the Central Bank. Budgets can also issue securities, or they can directly borrow money from banks, which, on the security of these loans, then, if necessary, refinance in the same Central Bank. In general, the authors are illiterate clickers who cannot understand what they write about. From the word Generally.
    1. +7
      28 January 2021 16: 07
      Quote: clerk
      A ban for the Central Bank on direct lending to the Government and budgets was made in order to avoid uncontrolled emission.

      It is interesting that the authors wrote not only about direct lending to the Government - after all, this is not the main problem of our Central Bank in relation to our state. The problem is that the structure, designed to control the level of inflation, also generates it, by the way, by the lack of emission, in the time necessary for this. Maintaining liquidity of banks and controlling inflation are the main tasks of this financial institution. So lending to the Government does not have to be done by the Central Bank, you do not need to distract readers' attention from the main disadvantage of our Central Bank with this question!
      1. -13
        28 January 2021 16: 55
        What is the "main disadvantage of the Central Bank"? If we are talking about lending to banks or curbing inflation, then the claims of the authors in this matter are deeply "past the cash desk" - banks did not have liquidity problems during the coronavirus period, and inflation was low. If by the "main disadvantage" we mean the thesis "Central Bank is a branch of the Federal Reserve System", then this is just an illiterate nonsense, both in essence and in form. And those who replicate this nonsense are either corny not in the subject, or fools, or cheap propagandists.
        1. +5
          28 January 2021 18: 45
          Quote: clerk
          banks during the coronavirus period did not have liquidity problems, and inflation was low.

          Who wrote about the liquidity problems of banks, or complained about high inflation? Stop your attempts to manipulate opinions, dear! I wrote absolutely not about what you manage to draw our attention to again and again! I also indicated the main disadvantage
          The problem is that the structure, designed to control the level of inflation, also generates it, by the way, by the lack of emission, in the time necessary for this.
          I didn't write about the pandemic period at all! I will not ask you to explain the "currency crisis of Russia 2014-2015" wink ... Try to sensibly explain the current price of a hard currency, relative to its rate of a year ago, without rushing platitudes please. If you can't - don't answer!
          1. -7
            28 January 2021 19: 05
            1) You have referred to the questions indicated by the authors of the original text. I indicated their stupidity. Now you are running around again that you didn't mean it. 2) The fact that, in your opinion, inflation is generated by the absence (!) Of emission is complete nonsense. It is emission at a rate faster than that of economic growth that gives rise to inflation. 3) "elementary, Watson". Since 2014, the Central Bank has not kept the ruble exchange rate against foreign currencies. Neither market nor administrative measures. You are not shaken by the bitcoin rate, so why are you twitching for the dollar / euro?
            1. 0
              28 January 2021 20: 18
              Quote: clerk
              You are not shaken by the bitcoin rate, so why are you twitching for the dollar / euro?

              It never shakes me at all. I asked a specific question and asked not to write if you do not have an answer. You have sent another nonsense. Where did you see that I said such nonsense? You write:
              2) The fact that, in your opinion, inflation is generated by the absence (!) Of emission is complete nonsense. It is emission at a rate faster than that of economic growth that gives rise to inflation.
              Untimely issuance can generate inflation, while timely issuance creates deleveraging, which helps both banks and the real sector survive. I did not link to the article at all, but wrote a post on the indicated topic, as I see it. Please do not write to me again!
              1. -6
                28 January 2021 21: 08
                1) That is, you do not understand basic things. 2) in your posts. Re-read yourself. 3) You are an alternatively gifted theorist. There is no liquidity crisis in Russia either in banks or in the economy. Therefore, inflation in Russia is due to the issue, and not from its absence.
                1. +2
                  28 January 2021 23: 27
                  Quote: clerk
                  1) That is, you do not understand basic things. 2) in your posts. Reread yourself. 3) You are an alternatively gifted theorist.

                  Well, you are stubborn, if not stubborn at all! I write in Russian: don't write to me, you write! Do not be nonsense, you do! You do not even understand that I did not write about what you are talking about! I don’t intend to write to you any more reasonable things because you don’t understand them at all. wink Write further, I will definitely not answer you anymore. Good luck with your work, hard worker of the pen! hi
                  1. -4
                    29 January 2021 06: 38
                    That is, you have merged on the topic. CHTD
    2. 0
      29 January 2021 01: 29
      Quote: clerk
      The government, if necessary, can issue securities, which will also be bought by state banks

      you just do not understand anything at all in economics, "but buy yourself a nuka Gazprom, it's just that" .... but you don’t have money ...... these are not the state banks you listed, but banks, and most importantly they are money do not print, What shishi, they will buy the state debt according to your? take a loan from the Americans ...
      1. -3
        29 January 2021 06: 42
        In this context, state-owned banks are understood as commercial banks in state ownership. There are 70% of such assets in the Russian banking system. They can buy public debt at the expense of attracted funds from clients. Or do you need to explain the difference between assets and liabilities?
        1. 0
          29 January 2021 09: 13
          Quote: clerk
          at the expense of attracted funds from clients.

          you have never done business, that I know tons of assets and liabilities, but you don’t know what debit and credit are, attracting funds from the poor is one thing, but you will have to charge interest on them from where the money will come from, then ask again? ... you just took and attracted ... so take and attract you will not be able (also me Mavrodi), ..... but having an open endless bad loan is completely different ... feel the difference? and printing money ourselves is the third
          1. -2
            29 January 2021 09: 30
            I realized that you can count up to three. I also realized that you do not understand the difference between assets and liabilities and between debit and credit. But it is not important. But I did not understand your opinion on the essence of the topic - do you agree that banks can place funds of clients and depositors (their liabilities) in government obligations (their potential assets) or do you disagree with this? Or do you think that banks do not have enough attracted funds for this? Or maybe religion or conscience does not allow them to do this? Or what? If not difficult - Formulate your position on these issues.
            1. 0
              29 January 2021 09: 35
              you can place it .... but how to return it with interest. did you pass arithmetic at school? Or will you, like under Stalin, pay off the population with bonds instead of money? all the clients will quickly scatter ... and the young man also has different percentages, have you already passed the arithmetic? for example 5 is less than 35 ... you know that? you raised money at 7 percent and invested in public debt at 6.5 where do you compensate for the difference? are you our accountant? and what will you live on
              1. 0
                29 January 2021 10: 28
                Let me tell you a terrible secret - attracting funds from individuals in deposits at a maximum interest rate (now up to 6% per annum for 3 years) is far from the only source of bank liabilities. A huge amount of clients 'funds was attracted practically free of charge (lawyers' accounts, salary accounts, card accounts, etc.) Therefore, investing these funds in government obligations with a yield of 4-4.2% per annum is not a problem. Neither legal, nor financial, nor religious, nor accounting. Therefore, the cries of local "experts" that they say "the Americans do not allow the Central Bank to lend to the state, government, industry, etc." (underline what is needed) is sheer nonsense. Rather, the problem lies elsewhere - banks themselves prefer to lend to the state rather than business. The reliability of investments in the state. paper outweighs the higher profitability of lending to businesses, where there is a high percentage of defaults. :(
                1. -1
                  29 January 2021 10: 33
                  Quote: clerk
                  Therefore, investing these funds in government obligations with a yield of 4-4.2% per annum is not a problem.

                  just tired of reading your nonsense, what will be invested at 4.5 percent, if you can issue loans at 22 percent? The Central Bank of the Russian Federation allocates huge money in the west at about zero interest, and domestic producers and commercial banks and the state are credited in the same place in the west at extortionate interest with practically the same money ... and this suits you, and also stifles our industry with taxes, instead to reduce taxes to the level of production survival and compensate budget revenues with Central Bank revenues
                  1. 0
                    29 January 2021 10: 47
                    What loans are 22%? What year are you living in? Or are they tied to the NPO? All critics of the Central Bank in this topic do not want to understand the main thing: gold and foreign exchange reserves are not free funds that can be placed based on profitability. Gold reserves are reserves (!!!) of the state (represented by the Central Bank) in case of economic and social cataclysms or sabotage. Therefore, the requirements of reliability and liquidity are primarily applied to them, and not the momentary declared profitability (as a businessman, you must understand that profitability and reliability are inversely proportional to liquidity). The issue of taxes is not the Central Bank, but the topic of tax cuts has a downside in the form of fulfilling social obligations.
                    1. 0
                      29 January 2021 10: 59
                      as a businessman ... I will say that reserves can be profitable and liquid at the same time with a professional financier, and the phrase
                      Quote: clerk
                      You must understand that profitability and reliability with liquidity are inversely proportional
                      groundless and stupid, I will say more, our Central Bank manages to make investments at the same time both non-profitable and unreliable. one of the principles of business is “buy cheap, serve expensive.” The Central Bank acts exactly the opposite, it buys overvalued currencies (that is, unreliable), and it is necessary to buy undervalued currencies. Second question, accumulation funds should have a certain percentage of development funds, stupidly overestimated. invested in the assets of competitors, can be simply devalued by the actions of competitors. tax policy stifles business.that is, the real sector in favor of the accumulation of fictitious values ​​of pieces of paper, for a difficult situation it is better to invest in real assets (factory steamships) and not in virtual pieces of paper .. .. all past crises have shown that virtual assets are depreciating.
                      1. 0
                        29 January 2021 11: 42
                        1) Can be profitable and liquid from the point of view of a financier. But not very reliable from the point of view of the state. reserves. There are other requirements for reliability. 2) The phrase is not stupid, it just does not fit into the logic of a financial speculator. 3) When assessing the reliability of the Central Bank's investments, you confuse profitability (overvaluation) with reliability. 4) As for the overestimation of Russian gold reserves, this is the opinion of the IMF (according to which it is enough to pay for 3-month imports). For me, in an unstable and hostile international situation, the gold reserves should be enough to pay off the entire (including private) foreign debt of the country. Well, plus the payment for a three-month import). 5) The actions of competitors are also miscalculated, so the Central Bank in the past few years has minimized investments in US obligations and increased gold reserves. 6) In a difficult situation (for example, an urgent purchase of medicines or food or a sudden coordinated and massive attack on the ruble), will you sell factories with steamers? 7) You are confusing virtual assets and paperless ones.
                      2. -1
                        29 January 2021 12: 28
                        Well, finally, essentially! 1.As for investing in gold and abandoning what I call trausers, the idea is old, I personally pushed it in due time, and it's good that they refused .. 2 points of view about the overestimation of reserves, as I see it, coincide with me, you and even the IMF (in words) 3 real assets, in contrast to virtual ones, continuously actually give out income and products. for example, investments in a metallurgical plant ensure the supply of rolled metal. and investments in agriculture provide the country with food ..... investments in virtual funds are also investments in business (because income can only be given by real production or a printing press, nothing else), but through intermediaries who assess profitability by flawed inaccurate indicators, so that investing directly in industry is more reliable than using investment averaged inaccurate instruments, not to mention bubbles and scams in this area. 4 our situation is aggravated not only by one or another decision where to put "spare and extra" money, but by the fact that the tax policy of the Russian Federation (IMF) destroys and crushes real production, making us hostage to oil prices, and slaves of those who set it ... .it is like slaughtering all breeding stock, scraping all production for the sake of not even momentary profit, but for the scrap metal and meat to be given to the enemy for safekeeping ... and then sit sucking paw and worry whether we will return it or not
                      3. 0
                        29 January 2021 13: 23
                        1) good. Gold is super reliable (when in its vaults), but not quickly liquid (to the question that there are no ideal reserves, you always have to sacrifice something). 2) I disagree with you and the IMF. PMSM "In the conditions of an unstable and hostile international situation, the gold reserves should be more than enough to pay off the entire (including private) foreign debt of the country. Well, plus the payment for three-month imports." That is, the gold reserves are now even slightly below the lower limit of sufficiency. You can recall how in 2014 tens of billions of dollars of gold reserves flew away in a short time to maintain the ruble exchange rate. 3) This point of view is reasonable, but not always correct. Production must be constantly managed, rebuilt, modernized. How many Soviet factories have become abandoned junk? This is not the business of the Central Bank and gold reserves. 4) I am not an expert in tax policy, but it is always a compromise between income and expenditures (including for social services and defense). By the way, a weak but stable ruble is also a help to industrialists who are aimed at the domestic Russian market.
  9. +14
    28 January 2021 15: 33
    Here it is strange - like the almighty Putin is at the helm ... To rob a bunch of pensioners, spitting on their own promises not to do this - so easy! With one stroke of the pen. Castrate the Basic Law of the country, despite the vows not to touch it - like two fingers. Even the Coviddle epidemic did not bother. To drop the ruble three times, pulling the whole country onto the kukan - and not the slightest doubt. And so on, and so on ... It seems like - well, sooooo decisive and stern Muschina ..

    But with the Central Bank nothing can be done .. And with the liberals in the government - too. And prices ... And with tariffs ... And with the execution of their own decrees .. And a lot more with something .. It seems like a rag and a senseless balabol ...

    How do these two absolutely opposite personalities get along in one human body? what belay fool
    1. +9
      28 January 2021 19: 32
      Quote: paul3390
      But with the Central Bank nothing can be done .. And with the liberals in the government - too. And prices ... And with tariffs ... And with the execution of their own decrees .. And a lot more with something .. It seems like a rag and a senseless balabol ...

      It's easier to list what he can do .. here less words and letters will be required .. He .. for now, he can only one thing - not let go and forbid ..
      1. +5
        28 January 2021 20: 49
        Quote: Svarog
        He ... for now, maybe one thing - not let go and forbid ..

        still call
        1. +7
          28 January 2021 20: 51
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: Svarog
          He ... for now, maybe one thing - not let go and forbid ..

          still call

          This is his favorite pastime, of course .. only now the result is poured out - not letting go and forbidding ... but the calls are so .. for the population .. like the king is good ..
  10. -12
    28 January 2021 15: 35
    Quote: marchcat
    So much has already been said and written about the Central Bank, only to the point of "zero", things are still there !!! It's time to nationalize and not waste time like in the painting by S. Dali.

    It's about the same as nationalizing state-owned enterprises)))
  11. +6
    28 January 2021 15: 42
    For the second decade now, the Bank of Russia investments in assets that are de facto or de jure outside Russia exceed 60% of all its assets. And only a third of them account for loans and deposits within the country, as well as for precious metals.

    And we all hope for the best ... We are waiting for the country to begin to crawl out of the pit of economic impotence ...
  12. +6
    28 January 2021 15: 44
    And there is no doubt that banks also lend them. But basically they are not those whom our most central Bank of Russia in the world has long and stubbornly deduced among the most "chosen" ones.
    Thanks to the authors for the article! An excellent article, it is a pity that not all points are indicated in it, left room for the ranting of the liberal experts! Rejoice, minusers, but I always write that our Central Bank is theirs, the FRS branch, and it is also managed by their protégé, the world's best manager in 2015! It is also quite clear to me why the amendments to the Constitution, of which there was darkness, even about zeroing, but did not make an amendment about the Central Bank? Because it suits our oligarch!
    1. +8
      28 January 2021 16: 49
      Actually, Elvira Nabiulina was recommended by Putin as chairman. And the constitution is being edited not by "libereznya", but by EdRossy. To them and contact.
      1. 0
        28 January 2021 17: 28
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        Actually, Elvira Nabiulina was recommended by Putin as chairman. And the constitution is being edited not by "libereznya", but by EdRossy. To them and contact.
        You introduced yourself as the chairman of the government, and me as your HR inspector? Do not register in order to scribble on VO nonsense, these are not children!
      2. 0
        29 January 2021 01: 33
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        "libereznya", and EdRossy

        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        "libereznya", and EdRossy

        why do you separate them? the same whole
  13. 0
    28 January 2021 16: 01
    ... Anatoly Ivanov, Doctor of Economics
    how cute Ivanov is ...
  14. +6
    28 January 2021 16: 03
    Central Bank of the Russian Federation - sharashkina office ... in other words
  15. V
    +5
    28 January 2021 16: 03
    The main task of the State Bank of the USSR is to maintain the national economy.
    The main task of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is to maintain the ruble exchange rate.
    Feel the difference in the main task of the main regulator of the country's monetary system.
  16. -3
    28 January 2021 16: 12
    The regulation of money circulation is a very specific thing. Even the author of the article does not seem to be very knowledgeable about the work and functions of central banks. Sometimes I think my cat is thinking at the same level.
  17. +8
    28 January 2021 16: 15
    I understood correctly that last summer the vote on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation was only for zeroing, and such important issues as the independence of the Bank of Russia from the West were not even raised ?! am feel
    1. 0
      28 January 2021 18: 35
      Quote: Corona without virus
      such important issues as the independence of the Bank of Russia from the West were not even raised

      The article about the Central Bank is in the main section of the Constitution, which can be changed through the Constitutional Assembly (there is no corresponding law and the body itself) or the support of three quarters of the State Duma deputies (the constitutional majority - it is impossible to gather so many of them in the hall).
      1. +1
        28 January 2021 23: 55
        Quote: Genry
        Quote: Corona without virus
        such important issues as the independence of the Bank of Russia from the West were not even raised

        The article about the Central Bank is in the main section of the Constitution, which can be changed through the Constitutional Assembly (there is no corresponding law and the body itself) or the support of three quarters of the State Duma deputies (constitutional majority - it is impossible to gather so many of them in the hall).

        What are you talking about ?! belay (must be pronounced with an Odessa accent laughing )
        When, after the approved list of the entire spectrum of amendments to the Constitution, after they were approved, and according to the law, nothing could be introduced, a proposal was made to nullify, it was immediately taken with a stroke, bypassing everything and everyone. wassat
        The main thing in the Russian Federation is TO WANT!!! good
        If those in power would want, so that the Bank of Russia is not dependent on the West, it would already be))))
      2. +1
        29 January 2021 08: 17
        Quote: Genry
        The article about the Central Bank is in the main section of the Constitution, which can be changed through the Constitutional Assembly (there is no corresponding law and the body itself) or the support of three quarters of the State Duma deputies (the constitutional majority - it is impossible to gather so many of them in the hall).

        Only the 1st and 2nd chapters change through the constitutional assembly, and the article about the Central Bank at number 75 is in the 3rd chapter.
        1. +1
          29 January 2021 09: 08
          Quote: military_cat
          Only the 1st and 2nd chapters change through the constitutional assembly, and the article about the Central Bank at number 75 is in the 3rd chapter.

          You're right! feel
          Much has been forgotten / distorted and has now been restored ... hi
  18. 0
    28 January 2021 16: 34
    Our people have moved to the Internet. Our businessmen are in a global financial aura. Interesting. What's next?
  19. +7
    28 January 2021 16: 46
    In our opinion, the most important of these oddities

    In my opinion, the most important oddity is in Article 2 of the Federal Law No. 86, which says:
    The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property. In accordance with the objectives and in accordance with the procedure established by this Federal Law, the Bank of Russia exercises the powers to own, use and dispose of the property of the Bank of Russia, including the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Bank of Russia Earlier, the 1990 law did not specify that the powers of the Bank of Russia to own, use and dispose of the property of the Bank of Russia extend to gold and foreign exchange reserves.
    But this is generally interesting - Withdrawal and encumbrance of obligations of the specified property without the consent of the Bank of Russia are not allowed That is, the state cannot dispose of gold and foreign exchange reserves?
    1. -5
      28 January 2021 17: 48
      Again this is "a formless and incomprehensible state." This phrase in the Law means that neither the Government by its decision, nor the President by its Decree, nor the State Duma by its decree, because of their momentary wishes, can not put a paw in the gold reserves without the consent of the Central Bank. If the state considers it necessary to withdraw the gold reserves of the Central Bank, then it must adopt a new law or amend the current one.
      1. +6
        28 January 2021 18: 45
        Quote: Jaromir
        The seizure and encumbrance of the said property without the consent of the Bank of Russia is not allowed. That is, the state cannot dispose of gold and foreign exchange reserves?

        This is opposition to the process of creating the State Bank and the transfer of funds, with the right to issue from / from the Central Bank.

        Quote: clerk
        If the state considers it necessary to withdraw the gold reserves of the Central Bank, then it must adopt a new law or amend the current one.

        And the Central Bank is independent and wanted to sneeze at the laws ...
        1. -6
          28 January 2021 19: 09
          1) What do you mean by a state bank? 2) This is your wild fantasy because you (like the authors of the topic) do not read the law, but only selectively quote, without even understanding the meaning.
  20. +7
    28 January 2021 17: 28
    ... behind a banker with low social responsibility
  21. 0
    28 January 2021 19: 44
    62 comments - level ...
  22. +1
    28 January 2021 20: 47
    Former head of Rusnano Anatoly Chubais, head of Sberbank German Gref, head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina graduated from Yale University.
    wink In the sidekick. bully
  23. 0
    28 January 2021 20: 50
    And at the head of the whole pyramid is Rumpelshtitskin
  24. 0
    28 January 2021 21: 48
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: Tagan
    Do you equate a legal entity and an individual?

    in general, it is the main person in the country who rules everything and substitutes others. These others are also not offended ... And it doesn't matter how it is written in the Constitution or what kind of person he is, the main thing is that he is above the law ...

    It's all lyrics. Legal entities are divided according to the form of ownership. And stories that a legal entity is certainly private are nonsense.
  25. -2
    29 January 2021 01: 43
    The Central Bank is nonsense .. I know firsthand - 5 years ago, $ 100k was "taken away" from my account. The reaction of the Central Bank in the evening of the same day (before the end of the transfer) - leave us alone and sort it out yourself laughing Funny ..
    1. 0
      2 September 2021 00: 16
      I saw Minus,)) In general, the topic was this: bank employees (by family ties) "took away" a hundred square meters from the legal entity, it is not clear where (as the court later found out). Bottom line: the court's decision - we knocked off a hundred square meters of taxes (from production), but the "handsome" are on the international wanted list. As a result, we entered the Russian Federation under a lighter article. Of course I'm glad, but the sediment remained. And the bank was Promsvyaz, literally six months before its reorganization. bully Bottom line: swindlers are with their own people, and the law is not a bargain.
  26. 0
    29 January 2021 07: 57
    The president is ours with the members of the government, to whom do they belong?
  27. 0
    29 January 2021 08: 58
    Quote: DimonSt
    The Central Bank is nonsense .. I know firsthand - 5 years ago, $ 100k was "taken away" from my account. The reaction of the Central Bank in the evening of the same day (before the end of the transfer) - leave us alone and sort it out yourself laughing Funny ..

    From which account? I certainly don't mean the number)))
    Just do not tell tales that you had an account with the Central Bank.
  28. -1
    29 January 2021 09: 41
    Quote: clerk
    Again this is "a formless and incomprehensible state." This phrase in the Law means that neither the Government by its decision, nor the President by its Decree, nor the State Duma by its decree, because of their momentary wishes, can not put a paw in the gold reserves without the consent of the Central Bank. If the state considers it necessary to withdraw the gold reserves of the Central Bank, then it must adopt a new law or amend the current one.

    Do you understand what your opponents are saying in slogans? They have a set of clichés: "The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a private office, a branch of the IMF" and similar nonsense. They don't care about the details. You won't prove anything to them. Your competence in these matters only annoys them.))
    1. -1
      29 January 2021 11: 18
      I understand.))) Although some have glimpses of reason.
  29. -2
    29 January 2021 09: 50
    Quote: Crown without virus
    I understood correctly that last summer the vote on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation was only for zeroing, and such important issues as the independence of the Bank of Russia from the West were not even raised ?! am feel

    The question is posed a little differently. you don't understand anything at all. You only hide behind slogans)))
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