Controversy arose in Poland over defects with GROT machines

The Polish submachine gun GROT, created specifically for arming the territorial defense troops of the republic, caused a fierce controversy in Poland. This is reported by the Ukrainian military portal.

The reason for the scandal that broke out was the machine gun defects discovered by blogger Pavel Moshner, a former special operations fighter. In his review, the blogger counted 22 defects in the Polish assault rifle.

As Moschner noted, among the defects are corrosion, poor quality of materials and their processing, failure of the machine when dust gets in, and much more. The blogger noticed that when firing in long bursts, the rifle overheats so that it is impossible to fire without special gloves. Also criticized was the butt, which broke at the attachment point.

According to him, the machine gun is extremely unreliable due to many technological defects, can spontaneously stop firing and even fall apart. GROT is highly sensitive to moisture and dust, which is also critical to its performance

The video posted by the blogger was answered by Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa. Representatives of Fabryka Broni "Łucznik", which produces the GROT assault rifle, said that all the defects identified by the blogger have already been corrected, and there are no problems in the assault rifles currently produced. The rifle shown in the video belonged to the first version, which is no longer in production.

In 2017, it was reported that a batch of new GROT assault rifles had entered service with the newly created territorial defense forces of Poland. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense of the republic announced the signing of an agreement for the supply of 40 thousand machine guns for the needs of the territorial troops. In total, it is planned to purchase up to 70 thousand machines by 2026.

Meanwhile, the Polish relevant structures began to investigate the information received that the machine gun was adopted bypassing all necessary procedures and before the completion of the tests.

Comments

[Luty]

Apparently the Poles ordered their machine gun in order to be not so expensive (like ersatz machine guns of the end of the 3rd Reich). They also took cheap airsoft toy technology as a basis. Here is the result.

[Luty]

Poland has never had its own school of small arms, this is not the Czech Republic. But the workmanship was at a fairly high level. And with this carbine, the task was apparently not set to create something very good. It's more of an ersatz (Or maybe the right guys have earned money). And most importantly, it's compatible with shops from M-ki.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Luty

But the workmanship was at a fairly high level.

There were a lot of things before ... And in Gdansk, ships were built ... But in the same place in Gdansk, Lech Walesa appeared with his Solidarity. And then - as a phrase-testament to the hero of Jean Reno in the film "Wasabi" -

This is where it all began, this is where it ends.

It's over ...

[Constanty]

It is not true.
In Poland in 1921-1939 a private school of small arms was established. Designers such as Wilniewczyc, Maroszek, Jurek have created a number of their own small arms.
Also during the war, Polish designers in Great Britain created many interesting projects, including the revolutionary EM-2 for its time.
Even after the war, despite the standardization of the Warsaw Pact, during the life of old-school engineers, interesting designs were created, for example, the PM-63 "Cancer" submachine gun. Unfortunately, later everything changed, and the fall of the Polish People's Republic in 1989 meant tragedy - private property, deals, corruption and the purchase of unsuccessful WIST pistols from private companies, the financial collapse of Fabryka Broni in Radom ... to change, but the VIS pistol 100 is quite successful and so far knocks me down despite intense shooting at the shooting range, did not disappoint

[John22]

I agree. There were gunsmiths, and hence the school.

[Finches]

"corrosion, poor quality materials" - these are not constructive flaws in weapons, but brilliant successes of corruption!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Luty

Apparently the Poles ordered their machine gun in order to be less expensive (like ersatz machine guns of the end of the 3rd Reich)

Yes indeed, Volkssturm in the Polish manner! After all, the rest of the Polish army is not formed according to the territory.

[The leader of the Redskins]

So Volkssturm should be armed with "barrets" and "Lobaevs"? For sabotage or short-term combat is enough. You can recall what the German old men and rebels in France were armed with - "potsdam" and "walls". I wonder what this blogger would write about them.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So Volkssturm should be armed with "barrets" and "Lobaevs"

It is not necessary to mix an elite and very expensive weapon with an inexpensive, but high-quality, ugly and easily noticeable.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Hmm. Sten and Potsdam are not quality examples. And this is still a historical example. How, then, to arm the national defense, if the weapons in service are expensive and have some claims on the part of the military? Buy over the hill? What would you do if you were a Polish military leader?

[user1212]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What would you do if you were a Polish military leader?

Ak74m, nothing else is needed for the militia, you can take it under 5.56 AK101, if you really want to, there are upgrade kits for installing the receiver cover with a strap and a system for fixing the cover itself, there are forend with straps

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Hmm. Sten and Potsdam are not quality examples.

Then why mention Barrett and Lobaev?

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

How, then, to arm the national defense, if the weapons in service are expensive and have some claims from the military

"Beryls" do not suit them?

[Vladimir_2U]

By the way, I mistakenly thought that the GROT is a cheap AR-based machine, but it turns out to be a full-fledged army machine gun for a full price, that's just lousy quality.

[voyaka uh]

You must read the entire article, not just the title:

"All the defects identified by the blogger have already been fixed, there are no problems in the currently produced assault rifles. The rifle shown in the video belonged to the first version, which is no longer in production."

[Dizzy]

On Youtube there are comparisons of MSBS GROT with HK416, SCAR, BREN and the old Polish BERYL rifle. The mainsail proved to be very good on tests.

[rocket757]

Meanwhile, the Polish relevant structures began to investigate the information received that the machine gun was adopted bypassing all necessary procedures and before the completion of the tests.

Corruption, sir ... and there are no other secretaries.

[aszzz888]

There are bad weapons, there are very bad ones, and then there are Polish samopals.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Europe, what to take from them, one mess, corruption and kickbacks.

[Dmitry Makarov]

The lot of the Poles, making cheap jewelry, lipstick and gingerbread, weapons are not their strong point.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

A lot of Poles, making cheap jewelry, lipstick and gingerbread

Until now, my head starts to ache when I remember the Polish cognac "Napoleon" of the early 90s and the Indian whiskey "Red Lebel" of the same years ... Then there was more health. Now I would not risk the remnants of my health.

[Constanty]

This is how you force yourself to be modern.
In Poland, a 96 mm Beryl wz.5,56 carbine was produced based on the Soviet Kalashnikov assault rifle.
Nice, reliable and cheaper carbine than the Mainsail.

Best the enemy of the good. Especially if better is not better.

It is a pity that our leaders did not follow Finland's example and left in their weapons clones of the legendary and, importantly, good Kalashnikov assault rifle.

[gorenina91]

- Hahah ... - Obviously, the Poles planned to make a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... - their own "Polish Galil (Galil)" ... - Well, it turned out ... what "turned out" ...

[Dizzy]

Not bad! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIlr5dqG6zA&t=3s

[user1212]

Does it remind me alone of FN SCAR?

[John22]

I agree, very similar. But it is similar to SHV Bren 2.

[Roma 1977]

All this is mysterious. Poland is full of Kalashnikovs of its own production. Is it possible to think of something better for the territorial defense than the Kalashnikov?

[Lord of the Sith]

And what about the pretentious Polish masters Kalashnikov? Give them your crap)))

[Zaurbek]

You can always wipe off the AKM dust from the warehouse.

[APASUS]

The Polish KROT machine gun is a super weapon! Again slander on the best gunsmiths on the planet .........

[Lord of the Sith]

Sumer criticizes the Polish non-automatic)))

Something in the fox died)))

[n0001]

This is a theater for Ukraine, organized by the contestants.

[Dkuznecov]

Well, you don’t understand. Polish ambition pushes the country
strong decisions. Like Turkey. Like Hungary.
Everything its own, from toothpicks to tanks and drones.
Well, the dream of Poland from sea to sea has not gone anywhere.

[Dizzy]

Quote: Luty

Poland never had its own school of small arms

Read books such as Polish Small Arms Designs and Polish Engineers and Technicians Arming Abroad. They are available online.