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"We intend to exploit until it falls apart": Hungarian general praised Soviet-made equipment

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The Hungarian army embarked on the path of modernization, acquiring new airspace protection systems, transport aircraft, armored vehicles, small arms weapon... But the military is in no hurry to say goodbye to Soviet equipment, which has shown itself worthily in the service, and intend to exploit it, as they themselves say, "until it collapses."


As Brigadier General Laszlo Stitz explains, the BMP-1, since its inception, "evoked confidence and admiration" among the Hungarian military. It was also highly regarded after the collapse of the Warsaw bloc. But the time has come to replace it with modern systems [new Lynx combat vehicle].

From now on, we will only have to try to squeeze the last possibilities out of the old "iron"

- considers the general, citing Mi-24 helicopters as another example.

Their service life was extended several times due to repairs. They must remain in service until new helicopters arrive. The situation is similar with the An-26 transport aircraft, which, according to the military, "were extremely reliable and good machines." Now they will be replaced by modern Brazilian KC-390s, necessary for logistics support fleet JAS 39 Gripen fighters [leased from the Hungarian army].

The goal [of army modernization] was to end technical dependence on Russia

- the general points out, noting that the exploitation of any equipment, even the most reliable, sooner or later comes to an end.

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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 44
    +18
    When Crocodiles fly 50 meters overhead at high speed it is impressive ... I experienced it on my own skin.
    Something and this legacy of the USSR is worthy.
    1. keeper03
      keeper03 26 January 2021 09: 00
      +11
      Well now addiction Hungarians will be much more reliable than the Soviet one! laughing wassat
    2. val43
      val43 27 January 2021 15: 00
      +2
      Once upon a time, I was fishing. The river in that place is not very wide. And over the water itself, almost touching the tree branches with the blades, a pair of Crocodiles passed. So I scraped my jaw from the sand for another half hour!
  2. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 06: 08
    +13
    it's time to replace it with modern systems [new combat vehicle Lynx]
    A small question of combat use. I don't remember driving inside. If a mine is from above, from the armor, it will simply scatter like peas. There is a chance, and a big one. There is a collective coffin inside. And where to ride on THIS, where to sit?
    There is little space on the sides, in front - you will fall on figs from such a slope ... Riding a cannon? Germans don't ride armor - ordnung?
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 26 January 2021 06: 13
      +6
      This armor is much thicker, they ride inside the type.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 07: 07
        +9
        Quote: nsm1
        This armor is much thicker, they ride inside the type.

        Yeah ... Apparently - MUCH thicker. Modification KF41 - 44 tons !!! Heavier than the T-72 (41 tons) and three times (!!!) heavier than the BMP-2 (14,7 tons). Not a fig for myself - Combat. Car. Infantry .... recourse And it is positioned exactly as an infantry fighting vehicle. Well, not a tank - with a 35-mm cannon ...

        The Germans only had to repeat their "success" of 1944. "Mouse" weighing 198 tons. And Cho - for a tank, German, probably fine ...
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 26 January 2021 07: 51
          +3
          there is such a thing as TBMP, a heavy BMP, we have an BMP based on Armata
          T-15
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 07: 53
            +3
            Quote: Dodikson
            there is such a thing as TBMP, heavy BMP

            Well, I don't know ... If BMP is heavier than tanks, where is the world heading? .....
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 26 January 2021 08: 30
              +3
              to a world where the life of a foot soldier is valued more than a piece of metal.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 08: 38
                +2
                Quote: Dodikson
                to a world where the life of a foot soldier is valued more than a piece of metal.

                I don’t know about the infantrymen - and the Airborne Forces DOES NOT RIDE INSIDE. At least not in exercises, but in war. At the very beginning he said. And this thing for "riding" is not adapted from the word "at all".
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 26 January 2021 08: 47
                  +1
                  1) and BMP and TBMP were not made for the Airborne Forces.
                  2) The sheriff doesn't care about the blacks. and how and what the Russian Airborne Forces drives the German and European customers of BMPs for their infantrymen worries very little
                  3) on the roof of the infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers in the SA did not go from a good life, but because the armor is cardboard and if you go inside, then when a mine is blown up or hit from an RPG, you are almost always dead. the Deutsche have no problems because of the greater security. they stupidly do not need to ride on top.
                  they can ride perfectly and comfortably inside the car.
                  1. Pivot
                    Pivot 26 January 2021 11: 19
                    +4
                    The armor of any armored vehicle is not able to withstand modern ATGMs, and even the RPG7, not to mention something more serious, from the detonation of a land mine based on a high-explosive projectile with a caliber of 122 mm, not a single armor in the world will save its power enough to scatter any modern armored vehicle to pieces ... Armored infantry are additional eyes that quickly identify the direction of fire and in the summer try to drive inside an armored vehicle or an armored vehicle for at least 20 kilometers.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 26 January 2021 20: 48
                      -4
                      If you are talking about our BMP and armored personnel carrier, then you are right, it will not save you from RPGs, or from ATGMs, or from undermining the OF.
                      Western TBMPs, especially since they began to be equipped with KAZ, they will be saved from RPGs, and from ATGMs and from the detonation of the OF.
                      By the way, you can study the practice of using the Achzarites and Namers by the Israelis.
                      1. Pivot
                        Pivot 27 January 2021 09: 24
                        +2
                        If a 122mm high-explosive fragmentation projectile of the D30 howitzer explodes 10m from the tank, the blast wave will tear off its turret, regardless of the country of production of this tank. Also with MRAP machines, they are designed to protect against IEDs. Don't tell my slippers about KAZ, with simultaneous firing from 5 grenade launchers, not a single KAZ will save. A properly organized ambush will destroy any ground armored vehicles - only turntables can protect from attack and somehow save. I can imagine how the first and last vehicles are being wiped out in the convoy, infantrymen from armored vehicles equipped with KAZ begin to run out, there is further shelling of the column and the infantrymen are struck with shrapnel from their own KAZ. So KAZ is not a panacea.
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 27 January 2021 09: 33
                        -1
                        in the Donbass for some reason did not tear off.
                        only if direct hit. and I will tell you a secret, in war there are other situations besides some idiot rushing into an ambush. there are offensives, there are defenses, there are positional battles, a lot of things happen.
                      3. Pivot
                        Pivot 27 January 2021 09: 57
                        +2
                        The idiots do not ambush the ambush, they organize the ambush along the reconnaissance path of the columns, I will repeat once again in the near future I will lose the means of defense to the means of attack, loitering ammunition is a clear example in the near future, corrected mines will be added and it will be even worse to defend. Positional battles are generally Achtung with a serious artillery attack, all armored vehicles will be mixed with the ground by Mother, an example of the Illovaisk boiler.
                      4. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 27 January 2021 10: 01
                        -2
                        Do you even know what the BMP is for?
                        try to decipher this abbreviation and then read about its application.
                        and try to read what electronic warfare is, fortifications, camouflage and cover, and of countering intelligence.
                        otherwise all the troops are destroyed as soon as they approach the front line.
                      5. Pivot
                        Pivot 27 January 2021 11: 08
                        +1
                        Always the main goal was to destroy the columns on the march, to attack is always more effective due to the effect of surprise, and the level of childish surprise that the defenders give out depends on the preparation of the ambush.
                2. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 27 January 2021 16: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Pivot
                  A 122mm high-explosive fragmentation projectile of the D30 howitzer 10m from the tank will blow off the turret with a blast wave,

                  what a storyteller you are ... bully
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 26 January 2021 08: 43
        +3
        Quote: Dodikson
        to a world where the life of a foot soldier is valued more than a piece of metal.

        To a world without war and violence, I guess?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 08: 54
          +4
          Quote: Flood
          To a world without war and violence, I guess?

          By comments Dodiksonbut it is clear that, in his opinion, this is the American, NATO world. Everything is bad with us, everything is gone, but whatever they do is a masterpiece. In any area. That's when we are under America and NATO - then, he believes, we will collect nishtyaks with a shovel ...
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 26 January 2021 09: 11
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            According to Dodikson's comments, it is clear that, in his opinion, this is the American, NATO world.

            Rather, Dodikson hinted for the IDF.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 09: 15
              +3
              Quote: Dym71
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              According to Dodikson's comments, it is clear that, in his opinion, this is the American, NATO world.

              Rather, Dodikson hinted for the IDF.

              America invented an attempt by Russia to drag Venezuela into the "Russian world". Duc, if you think so, and Israel is quite an American world. The question of the "worlds" is not national, as I understand it, but political.
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 26 January 2021 09: 16
                +2
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                and Israel is quite an American world.

                It is still unknown who twists whom, a dog's tail or a dog's tail. laughing
              2. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 09: 23
                +2
                Quote: Dym71
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                and Israel is quite an American world.

                It is still unknown who twists whom, a dog's tail or a dog's tail. laughing

                Maybe so. But Israel is not proud - it will agree to the role of the tail, if it is possible to twist the dog. And let a loud and empty head bark ...
        2. Dodikson
          Dodikson 26 January 2021 20: 49
          -2
          You called the creators of the T-15 idiots who betrayed Russia and started working for the West?
  3. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 26 January 2021 09: 32
    0
    Look at the Israelites, what kind of BMP they have
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 January 2021 06: 18
    +4
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    And where to ride on THIS, where to sit?

    Suckers for fillets will adjust to themselves and norms ...
    And so, these are their problems.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 07: 09
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      Suckers for fillets will adjust to themselves and norms ...

      good
      Probably, on the tower you can, like on a stool ...
      1. A.Lex
        A.Lex 26 January 2021 22: 46
        +1
        Das ist fantasizing?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 27 January 2021 05: 46
          0
          Quote: A.Lex
          Das ist fantasizing?

          Es it out !!
      2. alexey3312
        alexey3312 1 February 2021 14: 34
        +1
        "Probably, on the tower you can, like on a stool ..."
        laughing Straight, damn it, Turug Mak To !!! lol
    2. A.Lex
      A.Lex 26 January 2021 22: 45
      0
      And one booty to stick to the tile surface - they are not the first time!
  • novel66
    novel66 26 January 2021 07: 26
    -1
    Why does Hungary need an army at all?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 07: 31
      +1
      Quote: novel xnumx
      Why does Hungary need an army at all?

      Probably the 56th year is remembered and feared. Preparing to defend ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 26 January 2021 07: 35
        +5
        will it help? and this
        Bad, brother, you Magyars know how many times I have told you! We must keep our ears open with them. I'll shake him up ...
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 08: 01
          +4
          Quote: novel xnumx
          will it help?

          The common mistake of the Young NATO members is the hope for the 5th article of the NATO Charter. "We will stand to the death against the Russians, and then NATO, led by America, will arrive in time and kaaaak we will hit all together! ...."
          But NATO as a whole and America specifically, in accordance with that article, must provide assistance "which it considers necessary." And America will consider it MOST necessary, in case of "Russian aggression", a kind word on CNN ....
          And Cho is also help. Informational.
          1. novel66
            novel66 26 January 2021 08: 12
            +4
            and ... sanctions. sanctions....
      2. NKT
        NKT 26 January 2021 08: 02
        +9
        They all have a one-sided memory. 1956 is remembered, but 1938/39 - no, when they bit off a piece of Czechoslovakia, 1941 - no, when they invaded Yugoslavia and the USSR.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 26 January 2021 08: 27
      0
      Quote: novel xnumx
      Why does Hungary need an army at all?

      They will probably soon have to face the most "powerful" army in Europe because of Kuevo's oppression of ethnic minorities in Ukraine. It is not the first year that the Ukronatsiks have been frightening Hungarians and Romanians by the fact that they will not allow separatism, which may well result in an ethnic conflict with subsequent military intervention of bordering countries. It was not for nothing that Budapest, Bucharest and Warsaw handed out their passports there to everyone. At the same time, the option of provocation on an interethnic basis on their part is not excluded, in order to obtain a legal justification for the introduction of their troops into the territory of the independent.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 26 January 2021 08: 47
      0
      Quote: novel xnumx
      Why does Hungary need an army at all?

      The army is an attribute of the state.
      And Hungary, with its rich military history, would be offended to do without an army.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 20
    0
    The resistance to detonation of the new technology is better ..... and the fact that they drive inside saves lives from shelling and explosions of IEDs.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 08: 48
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The resistance to detonation of the new technology is better ..... and the fact that they drive inside saves lives from shelling and explosions of IEDs.

      The crew, "tractor drivers", it is so, that it is not sweet. And the landing on the armor - experience shows that there is little threat on the 15-ton BMP-2. Well, a day or two will ring in my ears ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 54
        +2
        Nowadays, many events are held in such devices. It is corny, habitability is better, you can go inside for a long time, in normal conditions. Warm, cool, comfortable ... once again, they won't hit the landing force during shelling. And the seats are different.
  • Paul
    Paul 27 January 2021 15: 01
    0
    If a mine is from above, from the armor, it will simply scatter like peas

    So it’s peas, but with people (even in the case of young boys) like peas, it can end up in a hospital. On the armor, why? 1. The view from the inside is not the best 2. It's hot in the summer (I didn't go in the winter - I don't know) 3. The armor against a powerful explosion did not pull. It's one thing to ride with a breeze in relative safety, and another to flaunt in bad youth. Actually such stupidity is treated quickly.
  • Crowe
    Crowe 26 January 2021 06: 25
    +13
    "We intend to exploit until it falls apart"

    Then you will have to wait a long time, Soviet technology (especially military) has a huge resource, these are not modern cars with TVs.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 January 2021 06: 27
    +7
    the military is in no hurry to say goodbye to Soviet technology
    The right solution for the poorer countries of Europe. Why write off something that has worked well and can still serve for several years. Someone (Poland, Czech Republic ...) decided to jump abruptly to full NATO standards by removing Soviet equipment from service. True, he was smart enough to put it on long-term storage, and then sell it to the same Ukraine.
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      26 January 2021 06: 34
      +5
      come on, they still have the main materiel of Soviet times
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 07: 16
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Someone (Poland, Czech Republic ...) decided to jump abruptly to full NATO standards by removing Soviet equipment from service.

      I would like everything to be like in NATO ... Self-esteem rises and cheeks puff out by themselves ...

      Remembered for the occasion -

      A man arrives in a "Zaporozhets" in a car repair shop. Is talking:
      - And put me at least some thread of a detail from the "Mercedes"! Not enough for a Mercedes, so that in my car anything from "Mercedes" was.
      “No problem,” the mechanic replies. - N bucks and come tomorrow.
      The guy comes tomorrow.
      “Get your car.” The mechanic says. - The engine from "Merce" was installed.
      The man is happy, sat down, started, drove off. I drove about 50 meters, suddenly the reverse gear turns on. I drove 50 meters back, then 50 meters forward, then back again, and so on several times.
      The man is terrified:
      - What did you give me?
      Mechanic:
      - Engine. From the wipers.
      Anything. From NATO ....
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 26 January 2021 08: 01
        +3
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Anything. From NATO ....

        One proud republic received the NATO uniform ... In the morning, formation. Goga is gone!
        Comes out in half an hour ...
        -Where were you ?
        -Listen, you won't believe, I saw myself in the mirror - I did it out of fear! laughing
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 January 2021 06: 32
    +2
    Well, the country is not the richest, the planes are on lease, not bought, so they are inventing all sorts of nonsense, but they could simply and honestly say that there is not enough money for new weapons.
  • betta
    betta 26 January 2021 07: 35
    +2
    I wonder who they now depend on for weapons? By buying on the side, how can you be independent? Well, in part it is clear, to lie under NATO, nothing under Russia.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 19
    0
    Mi24 is not a bad option .... It is possible to overhaul both in Russia and Ukraine, avionics and weapons - Russia, South Africa, Turkey, Israel, Europe ... and you can put whatever you want GP allows.
  • bald
    bald 26 January 2021 08: 26
    0
    Specifically, NATO stinks, but look at the Hungarians, what they want. I understand you, fearfully - you understand that NATO is a fiction for everyone, excuse the poor. You (to the top) will pay with grandmas there, only he will take what he has done - any living organism lives while it makes its way for itself.
  • Quadro
    Quadro 26 January 2021 09: 41
    -1
    The goal [of army modernization] was to end technical dependence on Russia

    Doesn't the technical dependence on Sweden, Germany and the USA bother you?
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 26 January 2021 18: 22
    0
    Yes, the legacy ends, free legacy.
    Now only at their own expense and nothing else, so let's see how they will form budgets and tasks.
    And what they themselves are capable of in the military-industrial complex and everything else, Turkomans are outraged at Europe about the limitations of spare parts for assembling an uav. Strengths, not a country.
  • In a d and m
    In a d and m 27 January 2021 08: 31
    +1
    And all good things also come to an end at some point, alas!