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The deceitful "Potemkin"

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"Battleship Potemkin" - historical a feature film shot at the first film factory "Goskino" in 1925. The work of director Sergei Eisenstein has repeatedly and over the years been recognized as the best or one of the best films of all times and peoples based on polls of critics, filmmakers and the public.


However, Potemkin is far from the historical truth. In fact, it is a masterpiece of propaganda.

The uprising on the ship took place from June 14 (27) to June 25 (July 8) 1905.

The newest battleship, which was commissioned in May 1905, terrified coastal cities for 11 days. Petersburg and all of Europe followed his chaotic throws.

Watching fruitless attempts fleet to find and neutralize the rebellious battleship, the Russian Tsar Nicholas II wrote in his diary dated June 23 (July 6):

"God grant that this difficult and shameful story ends sooner."

As a result, the "Prince Potemkin-Tavrichesky", whose mutiny was not supported by the rest of the Black Sea Fleet, surrendered to the Romanians in Constanta.

The team went ashore. The battleship was returned to Russia. And they renamed it "Panteleimon".

Already in November 1905, the ship's crew tried to support the uprising of the cruiser "Ochakov". However, the battleship was disarmed. And he did not take an active part in the mutiny.

Wormy meat


The Potemkin's mutiny was carefully studied.

Most researchers noted that the uprising was caused by a number of objective and subjective reasons.

The Russian Empire was in crisis, spurred on by an unsuccessful war with Japan. The revolution began. Strikes, executions of demonstrations, clashes with the police and the army, pogroms, revolutionary terror, the death of the fleet at Tsushima formed a nervous, difficult situation in the Black Sea Fleet.

The team was recruited from a pine forest. And it didn't work out.

A chain of absurd accidents fell upon this. Meat with worms, tarpaulin taken out on the ship's deck at the wrong time, weakness and indecision of the officers, etc.

The common cause of the mutiny on the ship is the rotten meat served at the crew's lunch.

Indeed, the battleship commander, Captain 1st Rank Yevgeny Golikov, sent the ship's inspector, midshipman Makarov, to Odessa to purchase provisions. The situation in the city was vague. There was a general strike, many shops were closed, others were experiencing supply problems.

As a result, Makarov came to the store of his friend, the merchant Kopylov. He had meat, but already rotten. The sailors took him. On the way back, a destroyer sent for sailors with provisions collided with a fishing boat and delayed for several hours.

As a result, the meat became frankly rotten and the officers who took the food noted that the meat smelled stale. There were refrigerators on the ship, but they did not work, since the Potemkin was launched in a hurry. In principle, for the practice of that time, this was not a special incident. The meat would be processed in salt water and used.

The ship's doctor Smirnov, when they lifted packages of pasta with the inscription Vermichelli on board, joked that the crew would feast on worms (in Italian, "vermicelli" means both narrow pasta and worms). The sailors did not understand the joke. And they took the doctor's words at face value.

The joke became deadly.

Insurgency


At 11 o'clock the signal for lunch was played on the ship. They put my brother with vodka on the deck. A dinner cup was poured for each sailor, they drank it right there. The captain and senior officer did not take a sample of the borscht cooked for the team. Doctor Smirnov found him fit, also without a test. However, the sailors refused to eat it. And demonstratively gnawed crackers, washed down with water.

This was reported to Golikov. He commanded the general assembly. I ordered the doctor to re-examine the dish. Smirnov again recognized the borscht as good without tasting it. And he said that the team "got fat".

Golikov threatened the sailors with punishment for the riot. And he ordered those who want to eat borscht to go to the 12-inch tower. For the rest he called a guard. Most of the team went to the tower. Several dozen people doubted.

Senior Officer Captain 2nd Rank Ippolit Gilyarovsky ordered to detain those who remained and to record the violators of discipline. He also instructed to bring a tarp from a 16-oared launch. This was taken as preparation for execution.

The excitement intensified. Some researchers noted that the courage of the crowd was given by a glass of vodka drunk on an empty stomach. The sailors rushed into the battery room, capturing weapon and cartridges. An open rebellion began. Gilyarovsky tried to suppress him, but was killed. Both the captain and several officers were killed. Others were arrested.

The destroyer that followed the battleship was captured under threat of fire.

It should be noted that after the successful uprising, the sailors calmly ate borscht. Nobody got poisoned.

Having captured the Potemkin, the sailors did not know what to do.

The battleship went to Odessa, which caused pogroms in the port. The authorities blocked the port and prevented the riots from spreading further. Odessa, then Sevastopol and Nikolaev, were declared martial law. The forces of the Black Sea Fleet were sent to Odessa.

In order not to fall into a trap, the battleship went out to sea. Before that, he fired at the city.

On the morning of June 17 (June 30), Potemkin met with a squadron of Admirals Krieger and Vishnevetsky. The "Silent Fight" took place.

The team was ready for battle and death. But the guns of the ships of the squadron were silent. The rebel battleship passed through the squadron twice. He was greeted with shouts of "hurray" and the battleship "George" joined him. The battleship Sinop almost joined the uprising.

The rest of the ships, where the sailors sympathized with the rebels, were taken by the frightened command to Sevastopol.

Contemporaries called the campaign of Krieger's squadron "shameful".

The deceitful "Potemkin"
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The situation is difficult. The tsarist authorities feared that other ships would also support the uprising. In Sevastopol, a conspiracy on the battleship "Catherine II" was uncovered. The instigators were arrested, the ship was disarmed.

On June 19, the uprising took place on the training ship Prut. There was a threat that the uprising would engulf the coastal cities. The naval command was paralyzed. And I couldn't really do anything.

The army command acted more decisively and wisely. Took emergency measures to defend the coast.

The West closely followed the situation. The press wrote about the complete disintegration of the Russian Empire. Britain was ready to send ships into the Black Sea to restore order. In Constantinople, they feared that the rebellious battleship would appear in Turkish waters and cause an uprising already in the Turkish fleet. The Turks began hastily to strengthen the mine and artillery defense of the Bosphorus Strait.

"Potemkin" and "Georgy" arrived in Odessa, seized a transport with coal. On "Georgia" the control was intercepted by the officers and the part of the team that did not support the riot.

"Potemkin" left Odessa. Dangled along the coast. And under the threat of shelling, he demanded provisions and coal in the ports. Food was given to the rebels, but coal was not.

On June 25 (July 8), the ship arrived for the second time in the Romanian Constanta and surrendered. The team was stationed in Romania.

For "Potemkin" came the ships of the Black Sea Fleet. He was taken to Sevastopol. Sprinkled with holy water and renamed to banish

"Demon of revolution".

The sailors of the rebellious battleship who returned to Russia were caught until 1917.

In total, 173 people were convicted, only one was executed - Matyushenko. That is, tsarist Russia, unlike Western countries, had a very humane court. Most of the Potemkin residents remained in Romania, some left for the world. Most of the fugitives returned to Russia after the revolution.

In 1910, the battleship underwent a major overhaul. During the First World War he took part in battles against the Germans and Turks.

After the Revolution of 1917 and the intervention, it was captured by the Germans, then by the Anglo-French occupiers.

In 1919 it was put out of action by the British. Was in the White Fleet, then returned under the control of the Red Army. In view of his deplorable state, he did not return to duty.

And was commissioned on metal.

The deceitful "Potemkin"


The film "Potemkin", which was released in 1925, did not correspond to historical reality. But, as a film campaign, it is a great work.

First, the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with organizing the rebellion. The Sevastopol Revolutionary Organization (Sevastopol Central) was an organization of Social Democrats, not just Bolsheviks. This organization did not expect an uprising on the Potemkin, the ship's crew was considered "backward" in a revolutionary sense.

The leaders of the rioters were non-commissioned officer Grigory Vakulenchuk and sailor Afanasy Matyushenko. Vakulenchuk belonged to the revolutionaries, but whether he was a member of the RSDLP is a question. Matyushenko is more of an informal leader, a criminal rather than a political one. Representatives of the “bottom” were grouped around him.

Later in exile, he called himself an anarchist. I met with Lenin in Switzerland, but it all ended in a scandal and a fight. Similar types killed officers in the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic after the February Revolution of 1917.

Vakulenchuk's supporters initially planned to wait for a general uprising. But Matyushenko's line took up - an immediate revolt and support for the unrest in Odessa. It is possible that Matyushenko had connections in the "Odessa party", which was behind the unrest in the city. Vakulenchuk died during the riot. And the rebellion was led by Matyushenko.

Eisenstein completely invented the most powerful psychological scenes in the film: the shooting of the instigators of the mutiny, covered with a tarp like a shroud.

In fact, the tarp was commonly used for dining on the upper deck during hot weather (so as not to accidentally spill over the deck).

There were no indiscriminate shootings in the Russian fleet. And the sentenced were not draped with anything.

Another beautiful, powerful and cruel, but fantasy (fake) is the execution on the Potemkin Stairs.

And the red flag on the rebellious battleship is not a symbol of the Bolsheviks, but according to the international code of signals - readiness for battle.

Therefore, this film was too far from the historical truth.

But as an example of agitation, it is, of course, a purely author's masterpiece of world cinema.


Battleship Potemkin. Disembarkation of the team at the port of Constanta.
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  1. Comrade
    Comrade 28 January 2021 04: 16
    +16
    The sailors rushed into the battery room, grabbing weapons and ammunition. An open rebellion began.

    Traditionally, it is believed that the first victim of the uprising was the artillery quartermaster G.N. Vakulenchuk, who was allegedly shot by a senior officer, Captain 2nd Rank I.I.Gilyarovsky.
    In the film, this is shown as the death of an unarmed sailor who was pursued by an armed officer. In fact, the first victim was the senior artillery officer Lieutenant L.K. Neupokoev, who was killed by Vakulenchuk with a rifle shot.

    And only after that, Gilyarovsky and, by order of the latter, the chief of the guard A. Ya. Denchik and two sailors from the guard began to shoot at Vakulenchuk.
    Who exactly got into Vakulenchuk is unknown.
    PS
    The film was shot on the battleship "Twelve Apostles" and the cruiser "Comintern" (formerly "Cahul").
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      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 13: 42
        -12%
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Spit on the Bolsheviks again? Yes, they had nothing to do with the battleship riot, AND WHAT OF THIS? What, there was no riot?
        Yes, the Bolsheviks attributed a lot to themselves in hindsight, including the rebellion at the Potemkin, and the overthrow of the monarchy, and in addition to Stepan Razin and Yemelyan Pugachev they fastened on the communists. So what?

        Never mind. Fastened, attributed, rewrote ... Delov something. After all
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        History winners write

        at your own discretion. And then they jealously guard the written from the encroachments of all, you know, "scribes" who "see differently."
        In general, what has your speech got to do with the mess on Potemkin or, at least, with the Soviet film industry? What does Stalin and the design school have to do with it?
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        It is necessary to judge not by words, but by deeds!

        That is, it is necessary to judge the mutiny on the battleship in 1905 on the basis of the affairs of Soviet power in 20-30-40 ...? Enchanting.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2021 14: 26
          +11
          Honestly, you personally are disgusting to me, therefore, there is no desire to communicate with you, call me if something is wrong ...
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 14: 37
            -8
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Honestly, you personally are disgusting to me, therefore, there is no desire to communicate with you, call me if something is wrong ...

            What a pose. laughing
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2021 16: 09
              +14
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              What a pose.
              Who has what hurts, he talks about that ?! What, posture problems? laughing
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 28 January 2021 18: 44
                +20
                The article is curious, albeit tendentious. But the title of the last chapter and the article itself - "Lying" Potemkin "- is like a spit for the hype. Mr. Samsonov should be ashamed of that. After all, one could call it about the same, but much softer. Let's say, "Not that" Potemkin. "Or -" Another "Potemkin". Or somehow. But it's not so rude offensive to call this world famous art film.
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                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 29 January 2021 13: 21
                    +6
                    Mr. Marshal! Congratulations! You did a great job of spitting deliciously! lol
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 29 January 2021 13: 30
                      -5
                      Another option: the bearer in the dark, is that better? I watched the film several times, I think its artistic value is fictional
                2. zenion
                  zenion 29 January 2021 17: 33
                  +3
                  Vladimir Mashkov. So he got more for one title than for an opus article.
                3. BMP-2
                  BMP-2 31 January 2021 01: 56
                  +8
                  We look forward to the continuation of the cycle: "Lying Pearlharbor", "Lying Private Ryan", "Lying 300 Spartans", "Lying Rambo", "Lying true lies" ... repeat
            2. zenion
              zenion 29 January 2021 17: 31
              +1
              Here it is - a real Intiligenturist!
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 28 January 2021 15: 51
          -13%
          What does Stalin and the design school have to do with it?

          How is this to do with it? !!! Iosif Vissarionovich a luminary of all sciences and the founder of the Soviet design school! Enemies of the people call these organizations "Sharashki". laughing
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 17: 17
            -14%
            ... Iosif Vissarionovich luminary of all sciences and founder of the Soviet design school

            And, refrigerators on Potemkin - his project?)))
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 28 January 2021 17: 50
              +4
              Refrigerators - sabotage in order to revolt the team (most likely the Mensheviks, or Trotskyists). Inspector Makarov, a friend of Lieutenant Schmidt, specially bought rotten meat from a Jewish acquaintance (also a Trotskyist) at the Privoz. All one to one - conspiracy and sabotage. It would also be necessary to deal with the ship's doctor, probably also some SR. drinks
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 22: 17
                -4
                Quote: Sea Cat
                It would also be necessary to deal with the ship's doctor, probably also some SR.

                Yes, he is a fascist. Look, padla, how quickly the "wormy" word "vermicelli" turned from Italian into the language of native aspens.
                laughing
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 28 January 2021 23: 21
                  +2
                  But it’s true, you bastards went to the same school with Mussolini! laughing
            2. zenion
              zenion 29 January 2021 17: 34
              0
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. His project is you, but the wrong bird hatched you.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 28 January 2021 22: 29
          -1
          Now paragraphs like you "run the show" in Ukraine-amateurs to turn and play history.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 22: 36
            -1
            Quote: Seeker
            Now paragraphs like you "run the show" in Ukraine-amateurs to turn and play history.

            And what exactly, sorry, I
            flipped and pounded
            ,
            I would like to know? Would you tell, looking for a guardian, the "right" story?
            Specifically.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 28 January 2021 23: 24
              +2
              Yeah, he'll tell you, how ... laughing
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      3. Simargl
        Simargl 28 January 2021 18: 59
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        And what does that change?
        Historical truth. Not? Or are you against?

        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        The winners write history, so they wrote as best they could.
        Well said!
        The "red" came and copied it for themselves, the "white" came - they copied it, the "black" came - they wrote it over again. And the thought will remain in the minds that everyone was lying.
        1. zenion
          zenion 29 January 2021 17: 43
          +3
          What is the truth? Here are the Americans filming the truth. Here Schwarzenegger is beaten with a crowbar, and he substitutes his hand and the crowbar to smithereens - this is the real truth. Or how a Jewish detachment from the United States takes Hitler prisoner - the real truth. How they defeated Romel in Africa - however, do not ask about losses. How they twisted the Japanese attack on the port, the film is completely against the truth. It was the Americans who defeated the Germans at Stalingrad with tanks alone. It was the United States that threw the Germans back near Moscow, as they say - the real truth. It's not true that the American president gave the command to storm the Capitol, that's a lie. The Capitol asked the ex-president to save them from the communists, who had been hiding in the underground of the Capitol since the beginning of the twentieth century. They defeated the Germans so well that Churchill sent a letter to Stalin in pigeons - take action immediately, otherwise we will find ourselves on the islands again.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 29 January 2021 20: 35
            -1
            ek you my friend suffered .. from Hollywood, scrap with Schwarzenegger to the Americans near Moscow (by the way, what kind of movie?) and the storming of the Capitol more than 100 years later .. but in general, it was originally about Russia and the battleship Potemkin .. it would seem Americans, but it turns out that the villains made a mess here too ..
          2. your1970
            your1970 31 January 2021 00: 42
            +2
            Quote: Simargl
            Well said!
            The "red" came and copied it for themselves, the "white" came - they copied it, the "black" came - they wrote it over again. And the thought will remain in the minds that everyone was lying.
            and from here this question arises ...
            Quote: zenion
            What is the truth?
            - usual, historical ...
            So Suvorov threw a brick into the history of the USSR - and historians have been trying to clean up for 30 years, and it does not work out very well - because they lied for a very long time before ... or kept silent ...
      4. Looking for
        Looking for 28 January 2021 22: 21
        +3
        I fully support you.
      5. nemez
        nemez 29 January 2021 09: 06
        -4
        I have nothing against Stalin, my repressed grandfather also said. The time was like that. But the 20-30s was a shame for the Bolsheviks.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 28 January 2021 17: 25
      +2
      Kamrad, thanks for the comment. I once heard that "Potemkin" played himself .. Probably: "Twelve Apostles" was the same type as "Potemkin"?
      1. Moore
        Moore 28 January 2021 18: 20
        +6
        EBR "Twelve Apostles":


        EBR "Kn Potemkin Tavrichesky":

        Filming what else was afloat ...
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 28 January 2021 18: 57
          +2
          Turner "Apostles" and "Potemkin" are not ships of the same type?
          1. Alf
            Alf 28 January 2021 19: 45
            +6
            Quote: vladcub
            Turner "Apostles" and "Potemkin" are not ships of the same type?

            No way. The general purpose and the number of main barrels only.
    3. zenion
      zenion 29 January 2021 17: 28
      +3
      There was no Lieutenant Schmidt and there were no children of this lieutenant. Maybe there was something that wasn't there, but it was the alien who wrote this opus.
  2. apro
    apro 28 January 2021 04: 59
    +21
    Therefore, this film was too far from the historical truth.

    So it depends from which position to look ...
    I am perplexed by the question: why is there a situation in the Navy when the personnel for the command poses a greater threat than a potential enemy.
    1. Comrade
      Comrade 28 January 2021 05: 22
      +12
      Quote: apro
      So it depends from which position you look ..

      Yes, from whatever you look, take the same funeral of Vakulenchuk.
      The number of those who accompanied him on his last journey in various sources varies from "thirty thousand"to just"many thousands"workers and workers of Odessa, who turned the funeral into"a grand revolutionary demonstration".
      But in fact, as his brother, IG Korolenko, wrote about these funerals to the writer V.G.Korolenko, the funeral procession, the route of which ran under the windows of his apartment in Odessa, consisted of several dozen people. Among these several dozen people there was an honorary sailor's guard, which means that there were ten to fifteen civilians there.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 13: 50
        -7
        Quote: Comrade
        Yes, from whatever you look, take the same funeral of Vakulenchuk.


        The speaker looks like Khrushchev. And a similar gesture)
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 January 2021 15: 35
          +5
          Trotskyists, they are all bald, except for Trotsky himself. laughing
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 28 January 2021 19: 26
            +2
            He specially grew his hair to soften the blow of the ice ax.
            In fact, the ice ax was specific and for some reason: "instantly at sea" (c) _ did not work. Or Mercader's hand trembled and the blow turned out obliquely, or really the hair softened
            Vaughn Mary Stewart got hit in her hair right away
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 28 January 2021 20: 12
              +1
              So Maria seemed to be in a wig, when the executioner cut off his head, grabbed it by the hair to show the grateful audience, so the wig remained in his hand, and his head rolled down the steps.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 28 January 2021 20: 22
                +3
                For "lyubas" her head was cut off the third time
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 28 January 2021 20: 24
                  +4
                  So talk after that about professionalism, not an executioner, but some kind of amateur. recourse
                  1. vladcub
                    vladcub 29 January 2021 14: 51
                    +2
                    Or maybe the executioner was drunk or short-sighted?
                    When I found out such a detail that I chopped off the third time! I thought how you can miss so miss. Stewart's neck was normal and at the level of the executioner's belt
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 29 January 2021 15: 32
                      -1
                      Slav, frankly speaking, I don't give a damn from what time he brushed her head off. After a thaw, I started dripping from the ceiling on the terrace - that's a problem!
                      1. vladcub
                        vladcub 29 January 2021 16: 08
                        +1
                        Here I understand you. Seven or eight years ago, it looked like it was dripping from the ceiling in the kitchen. I had to change the whole roof
            2. your1970
              your1970 31 January 2021 00: 47
              +2
              Quote: vladcub
              Generally ice ax was specific and for some reason: "instantly at sea" (c) _ did not work. Or Mercader's hand trembled and the blow turned out obliquely or really softened his hair

              -in principle, very strange the murder weapon ..... A banal hatchet / hammer would be more effective ..
              even a regular knife ...
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 31 January 2021 11: 57
                +3
                I agree with you: to carry such crap, and there was a loaded pistol in my pocket. Suppose he didn’t want to shoot, but you can bump into the temple with a handle and then strangle him. No, he brought in a hefty crap and failed to use it properly.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 31 January 2021 13: 43
                  0
                  I have a feeling that the task was at the level of killing, but to suffer .......
                  A painful and terrible death - for the edification of other enemies.
                  In other cases, death was instantaneous and guaranteed: poison, explosives, a shot to the head.
                  1. vladcub
                    vladcub 31 January 2021 18: 10
                    +1
                    It is unlikely.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 31 January 2021 21: 24
                      0
                      Then the logic does not work - not the appropriate murder weapon.
                      Well, for example, hitting a mosquito with a sledgehammer ..... It is possible to kill (in theory !!!!), the question is when. At the same time, a banal newspaper will kill from the first blow, and dichlorvos generally instantly

                      A banal knife would be many times more effective - even if you do not know how to use it ...
                      1. vladcub
                        vladcub 1 February 2021 07: 09
                        +1
                        So Stalin ordered an ice pick?
                        It's just that Mercader's imagination is weak
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 1 February 2021 17: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: vladcub
                        So Stalin ordered an ice pick?
                        It's just that Mercader's imagination is weak

                        So weak that managed to get into the credibility of the extremely distrustful Trotsky and at the same time failed to appreciate the inconvenience of an ice ax ???? !!!
                        The assassination plan was probably approved before dispatch, the task was posed to the organizers by Stalin (obviously not Kalinin or Voroshilov). Therefore, there could well be wishes of the level - "let him suffer, you reptile ..."
                        It would be a weak thinker - he would be a seven-century candelabrum lol would take
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 28 January 2021 19: 31
      +6
      Quote: Comrade
      hence, there were ten or fifteen civilians there.

      I don't know who is lying: roofing felts "Comrade", roofing felts Korolenko. But only in 1980 I met with the old Odessa Bolshevik Zhukov-Kevko, he was still a boy at the funeral of Vakulenchuk, so, according to him, all working Odessa left to see off Vakulenchuk's last journey ..
  3. mole
    mole 28 January 2021 05: 27
    +8
    Quote: apro
    I am perplexed by the question: why is there a situation in the Navy when the personnel for the command poses a greater threat than a potential enemy.

    You are asking absolutely the right question!
  4. antivirus
    antivirus 28 January 2021 10: 18
    +6
    There were no political officials - they recognized the rotten meat, but they fed it.
    to sort out the situation and put things in order - "officer-example for a sailor" did not want?
  5. ccsr
    ccsr 28 January 2021 11: 51
    +17
    Quote: apro
    I am perplexed by the question: why is there a situation in the Navy when the personnel for the command poses a greater threat than a potential enemy.

    And why did the Kronstadt rebellion arise - such a question can be asked to you. But I will not do this, because our entire history cannot be described by several historical events. It is so multifaceted and unpredictable sometimes that it defies logic. As for the film, it really is an example of a COVERED propaganda of the new era, and it was filmed not in the spirit of the tearful scenes of the same "Pearl Harbor".
    I think one can be proud of the film, but it is natural not to consider it as a true description of a historical event. I read Konetsky and Pikul with pleasure, but I do not think that the cases described by them reflect the whole essence of our maritime history. But a work of fiction always implies a certain fiction - the film "Potemkin" is no different in this.
    1. apro
      apro 28 January 2021 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: ccsr
      And why did the Kronstadt mutiny arise - such a question can be asked to you

      And it is possible and necessary ... then the civil war raged.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 28 January 2021 13: 27
        -2
        Quote: apro
        And it is possible and necessary ... then the civil war raged.

        And "Potemkin" was its harbinger - something like a scouting sortie before the outbreak of hostilities.
        1. apro
          apro 28 January 2021 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: apro
          And it is possible and necessary ... then the civil war raged.

          And "Potemkin" was its harbinger - something like a scouting sortie before the outbreak of hostilities.

          But there were no Reds, no separaists, no anachrists on board ... and the naval service was not organized either.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 17: 38
        -5
        Quote: apro
        Quote: ccsr
        And why did the Kronstadt mutiny arise - such a question can be asked to you

        And it is possible and necessary ... then the civil war raged.

        By 1921, the GW had already been in the main.
  • Far B
    Far B 28 January 2021 05: 25
    +37
    Now I do not understand - what was that? Where does it say that "Potemkin" is a historical film, strictly following the facts? Eisenstein talked about this? Yes, never. "Potemkin" - exactly
    masterpiece of propaganda
    That's why I was filming.
    Reading the article, one gets the feeling that the author is trying to denigrate the sailors of the rebel ship and whitewash the officers of the tsarist fleet. Well bought Makarov already rotten meat - what, like that? It can then be processed in salt water. (I suggest the author personally eat a borschik with such a meat) Matyushenko is a criminal leader ... In general, there are no words. Of course, a certain organized criminal group was sent to serve on Potemkin. And about the fact that there were no extrajudicial shootings in the Russian fleet ... Is this serious? In a campaign, writing off the "screw" at that time is not a problem at all. Well, and so - the naval officers were always not averse to slapping the sailor "on the soup". For which, in the end, many paid. There is no need to build a kind of symbol of cuddiness out of the pre-revolutionary fleet.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 28 January 2021 05: 34
      0
      On "Potemkin" ... a certain organized criminal group in full force was sent to serve.

      Yes, fullness to you, Mikhail, remember that these "brothers" were doing in Kronstadt in 17, a person very quickly turns into a beast, in appropriate conditions, of course. Lavrenev said it well, "Wind" in my opinion. hi
      1. Far B
        Far B 28 January 2021 05: 43
        +2
        Yes, I do not argue with that))) But the definition of "criminal" is not even applicable to them: what the "big lads" did are not criminal offenses. In general, during the revolutionary period, crimes against humanity cannot be classified as criminal. And I doubt that Matyushenko stole a cigarette case from Gilyarovsky given by the anperator))) Therefore, he is not a criminal leader, but, in fact, a political one, if we talk about his leadership among the oppressed (and make him eat rotten meat is, sorry, oppression) of the majority.
      2. apro
        apro 28 January 2021 05: 47
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        May you be full, Mikhail, remember what these "brothers" did in Kronstadt in 17,

        Do not remind me how the command organized the service, what kind of work with the personnel was carried out by their commanders ... what would have happened as you say "created" ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 January 2021 06: 17
          +9
          [Quote] Don't remind me how the command organized the service. [/ quote
          And I served in the Soviet army, not in the Imperial Navy, I want you to know the details, read Sobolev, Kolbasyev, Lavrenyov, at the worst Pikul's expense .. I'm not going to engage in your education, this is boring business.
          1. apro
            apro 28 January 2021 06: 38
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I am not going to deal with your education, this is boring business.

            So doing ... judging by your comments ... only questions arise. It's easier to say I don’t know and not interesting. But you must leave your opinion.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 28 January 2021 15: 30
              +1
              So you do ..

              And you are not alone here, fortunately. And I never expected any understanding on your part.
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 28 January 2021 09: 15
        +9
        And yet the film went down in history. Like the first in the world color movie. Although that is only a few seconds of the red banner ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 January 2021 15: 33
          +4
          Hi Igor. Yes, the film is generally made extremely talented, like propaganda, of course. One scene with a stroller on the stairs is worth what!
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 28 January 2021 15: 44
            +3
            Greetings Konstantin hi ! I will support yes Eisenstein - generally knew how to shoot Cinema, firmly entered the history of World Cinema! Well, in the USSR, in general, there was always a full house in cinemas for the screenings of his films! Not so long ago I showed my Kid Alexander Nevsky ... even with today's technology for filming - he liked it !!!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 28 January 2021 15: 55
              -1
              Hi Aleksey. hi
              That's what we are talking about, talented people make films "for all time", even if they broadcast outright lies.
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 28 January 2021 15: 59
                +1
                He was not a historian, he was a Great Director! Man is Creative!
                Let's leave history for Historians!
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 28 January 2021 16: 24
                  +1
                  This is true, but the more talented the lie, the more dangerous it is.
        2. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 29 January 2021 20: 46
          +1
          To be fair, Nazariy - "Thomas Edison first used hand coloring in 1895 in the film Loya Fuller's Dance"
          But if it was Soviet, yes, the first ..
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 29 January 2021 21: 24
            +1
            I disagree. A kinetoscope is not a movie projector. And viewing is individual, and the film is "in a circle".
            Although, to be honest, I do not agree with the battleship either - well, separate elements are still not a film. But that's my personal opinion)))
      4. vladcub
        vladcub 28 January 2021 17: 50
        +4
        Once I read: Vesely, Veshnevsky, Lavrenev and someone else. Of the authors read then, I liked Lavrenev more: he has vivid images, others have some kind of stilt
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 January 2021 17: 54
          0
          Honor Kolbasyev and Sobolev, both former midshipmen and naval officers, they knew the texture like no other.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 28 January 2021 19: 28
            +2
            Kolbasyev, I don't know something like that
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 28 January 2021 20: 15
              +1
              Sergei Kolbasyev, midshipman under the tsar, lieutenant under Kerensky, then commanded a flotilla of red gunboats. Start with the book "Arsene Lupine", I'm sure you will like it.
            2. bober1982
              bober1982 28 January 2021 20: 23
              +2
              Quote: vladcub
              Kolbasyev, I don't know something like that

              In film We are from jazz (directed by K. Shakhnazarov) was captain Kolbasyev, actor B. Brondukov created a very highly artistic image. So he was just like him, Kolbasyev.
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 29 January 2021 09: 57
                +4
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Sergei Kolbasyev, midshipman under the tsar, lieutenant under Kerensky, then commanded a flotilla of red gunboats. Start with the book "Arsene Lupine", I'm sure you will like it.

                Back in 1978, a collection of his novellas and short stories "All of a sudden turn" was published, when presented, read voraciously, very interesting. And in 1921, Kolbasyev headed the embassy mission to Afghanistan, took an active part in the development and formation of radio in the navy.
                Quote: bober1982
                In the film We are from jazz (directed by K. Shakhnazarov) there was a captain Kolbasyev, actor B. Brondukov created a very highly artistic image. So he was just like him, Kolbasyev.

                He was an excellent connoisseur of jazz and was engaged in its promotion in the USSR, which in 1937 was regarded as cooperation with Western intelligence services. He reportedly died of a heart attack while under investigation in Butyrka prison.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 29 January 2021 16: 58
                +1
                Yes, Sergey Kolbasyev loved jazz and in every possible way contributed to all our jazz bands.
      5. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 28 January 2021 19: 35
        +6
        Quote: Sea Cat
        remember what these "brothers" were doing in Kronstadt in 17, a person very quickly turns into a beast, in appropriate conditions, by itself.

        But first we must remember how the "little brothers" received teeth from the officer from the sailing fleet.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 January 2021 20: 20
          -3
          On health, but if you really remember, since the time of Oleg's campaigns to Constantinople, too, I suppose, they beat their muzzles, the code of the word did not find the desired return. Why there, you can dig deeper, because there is nothing to do. laughing
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 30 January 2021 00: 01
            -1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            To your health, but if you really remember, since the time of Oleg's campaigns on Constantinople, they also, I suppose, beat their muzzles, the code of the word did not find the desired return.

            And none of the people forgot this. The centuries-old humiliation of the working people spilled out into hatred of the masters in 1917, as in the proverb "Once the tears of the mouse will flow to the cat"
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 30 January 2021 00: 34
              0
              And none of the people forgot this.

              Have you all been interviewed? Taking off my hat. hi laughing
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 30 January 2021 23: 55
                -1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Have you all been interviewed?

                And my two grandfathers with their comrades, when they beat Kolchak, of course, did not ask for a white bone.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 31 January 2021 00: 14
                  0
                  Bow to your grandfathers, if you're not lying. My father's older brothers were doing the same job, only in the south of Russia.
      6. zenion
        zenion 29 January 2021 17: 55
        -1
        Catfish. You have not read about the civil war in the United States. You probably haven't read "Gone with the Wind", it's a little about the civil war. But there are some materials where the words of those who commanded in this war are given. About the atrocities of the North and the atrocities of the South. As President Lincoln himself wrote, in such situations it is impossible to do anything. Neither one nor the other wanted to fight and die, so everyone was merciless. But they were not going to sell part of the country to anyone for help in the war. But the whites sold everything they captured. Until now, no one knows who the "golden train" was sold to. There are suggestions that he got to the Japanese. They made so many purchases later.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 29 January 2021 18: 29
          +1
          Catfish. You have not read about the civil war in the United States. You probably haven't read "Gone with the Wind"


          "Mabut" read, and not only fiction literature.

          As for the atrocities, this was enough from either side, what they have, what we have.

          There is no information about the "golden echelon", therefore it makes no sense to guess on the coffee grounds. hi
    2. apro
      apro 28 January 2021 05: 44
      +14
      Quote: Dalny V
      Well, Makarov bought already rotten meat - what, like that?

      It’s as old as the world. A barn scheme. To make babosy on the food of the personnel. There was no food service. And the money was allocated. And how it is wisely used a lot of mind is not necessary ...
      1. Far B
        Far B 28 January 2021 05: 48
        +24
        Especially since he bought rotten meat from his friend ... "How not to please a dear little man ?!"
        And after that, according to the author, the sailors should not have been indignant? There are words, but all are obscene.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 28 January 2021 06: 16
          +13
          Moreover, he bought the meat as fresh, and not as "second freshness" and, most importantly, for state money.
          1. Far B
            Far B 28 January 2021 06: 31
            +4
            Exactly! Thank you for reminding me!
            The second freshness is what nonsense! There is only one freshness - the first, it is also the last. And if the sturgeon is of the second freshness, it means that it is rotten!
            I love Bulgakov, even though he is a bastard and an anti-Soviet laughing
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 28 January 2021 10: 37
              +7
              I love Bulgakov, even though he is a bastard and an anti-Soviet
              And where is the anti-Soviet? I read all of his works. He makes fun of the vices of people, not Soviet and non-Soviet. You found anti-Sovietism in him, you are a genius! Even Stalin did not find it in his works and statements.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 28 January 2021 18: 08
                +3
                "Even Stalin did not find her" to some extent I agree: Bulgakov is not quite a Soviet author, but Stalin for some reason loved: "Days of the Turbine", perhaps he liked the acting? Or did he think that there were the brightest images?
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 29 January 2021 10: 05
                  +1
                  Days of the Turbine, "Perhaps he liked the acting? Or did he think that there were the most striking images?
                  I cannot answer this question for you. I was not familiar with Stalin and Bulgakov's work was not discussed. But Stalin himself did not leave memoirs and did not mention them in speeches. hi
                  1. vladcub
                    vladcub 29 January 2021 14: 08
                    +4
                    It would be gorgeous to read Stalin's memoirs, but 1000% that leave Stalin's memoirs, "real Leninists" "lost them" either on airplanes or Barabashka, American imperialism or the Martians, but we saw them figs
                    1. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 31 January 2021 17: 24
                      +2
                      I agree on both counts. I think from time to time "memoirs" would still "pop up" and then this would happen!
                      1. vladcub
                        vladcub 31 January 2021 18: 08
                        +3
                        I doubt that they would "float": N. S tried very hard to dip Stalin in the mud.
                        If only Stalin gave assessments to his entourage, and this could well be. It is unlikely that "real Leninists" wanted someone to read about their deeds.
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 30 January 2021 00: 27
              +3
              No, wow, Bulgakov and - bastard. And what was his meanness? Or you simply do not know the meaning of the words you use.
              Well, if this is an attempt to joke, then it is very unsuccessful.
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 28 January 2021 12: 06
            +9
            Quote: parusnik
            Moreover, he bought the meat as fresh, and not as "second freshness" and, most importantly, for state money.

            There is some clarification, the state money was allocated for food, but the purchase of food with this money was done with the consent of the team, this is about the rank and file. For this, an auditor was appointed i.e. responsible for the procurement and supply of the officers, to help him the conductor, they were considered elective, i.e. in case of disagreement or suspicion that they are stealing, the team could make a demand for the removal of this auditor and the commander had to accept the reasonable demands of the team. By the way, on the topic of food and supplies in the army of Ingushetia, there was an article on VO the year before last. Those. everything again rests on the professionalism of the commander, his ability to command l / s and "handle" situations, which we often see even now in the course of incidents in the modern Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 10: 30
          -5
          Quote: Dalny V
          And after that, according to the author, the sailors should not have been indignant?

          and how can the sailors know where, how and what quality of provisions the ship's quartermaster buys?
          1. Avior
            Avior 28 January 2021 21: 33
            +7
            The navy was fed by an artel, there were artels from the team.
            and food for 800 people - did he personally carry it?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 21: 41
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              The navy was fed by an artel, there were artels from the team.
              and food for 800 people - did he personally carry it?

              Reasonably.
              1. Avior
                Avior 28 January 2021 22: 13
                +2
                there was almost half a ton of meat alone
                I wrote my opinion there below
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 28 January 2021 10: 22
        +4
        funny - the refrigerators were - BUT DID NOT WORK. "not necessary to throw overboard" ... the technical level of the new ship is clear
      3. zenion
        zenion 29 January 2021 17: 56
        0
        Of course not, but he rescued his friend, and he got some of it.
    3. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 January 2021 07: 14
      +8
      I agree. The very formulation of the article is, let's say, "strange." Starting from the name.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 28 January 2021 10: 38
        +7
        I agree. The very formulation of the article is, let's say, "strange." Starting from the name.
        Nothing strange. So they start to open, each time, the "Overton window". This is a straightforward classic example.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 28 January 2021 16: 03
          +3
          Yes. I agree. Shifting from "unthinkable" to "normal".
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 28 January 2021 17: 09
        +11
        There are actually books. Very interesting. For example this one. Still 1924 edition.
        Then this one:
        And then there is the NIVA magazine, which describes in detail the mutiny on Patemkin. And this would be all the author read ... and then write.
        By the way, there was no battleship "George" there. There was "George the Victorious". But such little things really matter. Brevity is the soul of wit! But can it be even shorter - will the battleship "G" sound?
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 28 January 2021 18: 42
          +3
          And these are far from trifles.
          By the way, in school textbooks of our time, they scolded for abbreviations.
          And now Newspeak is a given.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 22: 23
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          there was no battleship Georgy there. There was "George the Victorious".


          Well, there was no "Potemkin")
          There was "Prince Potemkin-Tavrichesky".
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 29 January 2021 17: 04
            +2
            And there was "an uprising on a battleship in the dark" (c) laughing
    4. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 January 2021 07: 58
      +8
      Quote: Dalny V
      Now I do not understand - what was that? Where does it say that "Potemkin" is a historical film, strictly following the facts? Eisenstein talked about this? Yes, never. "Potemkin" - exactly
      In general, any art does not imply any kind of historical accuracy. So any classic author can write down as false. And it’s not Samsonov’s historical credibility to trump in his articles - especially when the “Rus” concerns. So hands off the great Soviet director and his cinematic masterpiece, recognized throughout the world, including the capitalist one!
    5. Olgovich
      Olgovich 28 January 2021 08: 15
      -15%
      Quote: Dalny V
      Now I do not understand - what was that? Where it is said that "Potemkin" is historical a film strictly following the facts? Eisenstein talked about this? Yes, never.

      The NAME of the film clearly speaks about this, right indicating the well-known the real specific event.

      And the film is listed exactly like this:
      "Baton Potemkin" - mute HISTORICAL a feature film directed by Sergei Eisenstein at the first Goskino film factory in 1925.

      And yes, show me where Einstein said it was propaganda, not history.

      It was just that a "story" was created, which had nothing to do with the word at all.


      Quote: Dalny V
      ... Well, Makarov bought already rotten meat. Especially since he bought rotten meat from his friend ... "How not to please a dear little man ?!

      You are told in the article that at that time, in the conditions of turmoil, there was no other meat, and they go to a friend not only to warm up together (which is obviously close and understandable to you), but to get the best product.

      This is exactly what happened: in spite of the many hours delay on the way that followed, the refrigerators were not working, the borscht was eaten and no one was poisoned.
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        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 28 January 2021 11: 04
          -9
          Quote: Dalny V
          Nice logic. In the late 80s, there were German films "Rasputin" and "Catherine 2". Their name directly indicates the documentary nature of the events described.

          Both a feature film and a documentary can be historical.

          "Potemkin" is an ordinary feature film that has nothing to do with either history or documentary material.
          Quote: Dalny V
          Show me the place in the article where it is said that there was trouble?

          So you have not even read the article, but you are discussing it, complete disrespect for the author.
          From article: about
          slave inspector midshipman Makarov to Odessa for the purchase of provisions. The situation in the city was vague. There was a general strike, many shops were closed, others were experiencing supply problems.
          Quote: Dalny V
          After an awesome heat treatment? How amazing! Can you imagine the taste of this brew? I - yes (in the 90s I had to try, you know).

          No one was forced, no one expressed displeasure - they ate him AFTER the uprising.
          1. BAI
            BAI 28 January 2021 17: 00
            +9
            In the late 80s, there were German films "Rasputin" and "Catherine 2". Their name directly indicates the documentary nature of the events described.

            And there was also the German film "The Wild Fun of Empress Catherine". Also a documentary account of events?
            1. Jaromir
              Jaromir 28 January 2021 23: 43
              +4
              Quote: BAI
              And there was also a German film "Wild Amusements of Empress Catherine"

              Half of the film in German, half of the film in French. I had this film on the RAKS videotape was recorded repeat drinks
          2. Far B
            Far B 29 January 2021 08: 53
            -2
            feature film and documentary
            I brought you your own quote (or maybe your memory sucks): "The TITLE of the film clearly speaks about this, directly pointing to the well-known real concrete event."
            The situation in the city was vague
            Vague or revolutionary?
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 28 January 2021 08: 56
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich

        And the film is listed that way

        "Wikipedia". laughing
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 28 January 2021 10: 25
        +10
        Sometimes I read about WWI and look at the photos of the "noblest" generals.
        And: a father from 30 years old remembered- "grandfather (my great-grandfather) said:" here we are in the first imperialist .. "and so on (father did not remember or said something empty?)
        Only one episode ----
        IMPORTANT --- REASON FOR THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION-
        great-grandfather served as a batman under the officer. serves coffee in bed. "Ivan, I told you how many times I told you. What is needed with the foam." Razz-zzz on the teeth of his great-grandfather. "Go do as taught."
        He went out the door, spat in the cup, shook his finger and handed it again. "That's the way to do it"
        In this spit, the reason for the defeat in the WWI and the destruction of the Ros Empire and its army. Tired of enduring dentists, not re-educated officer A, turned out to be. and the whole nobility
        maybe the reason is dentition?
        27g
        remember the newspaper before the action. without reading ... history cannot be rewritten
      4. Avior
        Avior 28 January 2021 22: 32
        +1
        Not certainly in that way.
        dinner was brewed another after the incident.
    6. your1970
      your1970 31 January 2021 00: 51
      0
      Quote: Dalny V
      It can then be processed in salt water. (I suggest that the author personally eat a borschik with such meat)
      - banal boring practice of the sailing fleet - corned beef ...
      You wouldn't be able to plow it even in theory (it would turn you out) - and the sailors ate it then (19th and early 20th centuries) and nothing
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 28 January 2021 05: 26
    +17
    It did not occur to the author of the article that in the film the author collected iconic episodes of that time, "Bloody Sunday" for example?
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 28 January 2021 05: 57
      +21
      The simple fact that this is not a documentary, but a feature film did not occur to the author.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 22: 26
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It did not occur to the author of the article that in the film the author collected iconic episodes of that time, "Bloody Sunday" for example?

      I agree - it would have been a documentary film - they would have entrusted Dziga Vertov)
  • svp67
    svp67 28 January 2021 05: 50
    +11
    At all times, art tried to influence the masses, and with the advent of cinema, it became generally a classic
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 28 January 2021 10: 26
      +4
      but simply showing the attitude of RI towards people is unnecessary?
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  • parusnik
    parusnik 28 January 2021 06: 14
    +10
    Very familiar, I went with state money, to a familiar meat dealer, at the price of fresh meat, bought meat "second freshness" ... smile
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 28 January 2021 06: 17
    +7
    No one will study history using it) it's like studying the Battle of the Ice using Alexander Nevsky)
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 28 January 2021 06: 33
    -7
    Normal article. Kind of trying to separate flies from cutlets.
    Human nature is such that any event with time can be told in its own way in order to please the political conjuncture. Maybe there really was a banal negligence on the part of the officers, maybe there were real difficulties with the supply and the situation developed in such a way that the nerves could not stand it and the team fumbled. The ship is new, everything works - you can ride, as they would say today, on a hijacked one. We drank, stole, rode, abandoned. Personally, I think that there was a banal everyday life. But over time, after the Bolsheviks came to power, history was overgrown with the "necessary" revolutionary details, filmed and became what we are taught in schools. Voila .... request
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 January 2021 06: 44
    +12
    Perhaps it was a propaganda myth. But aren't we being shown the myths about angry commissars and nkvdeshniks during the Second World War? This is not agitation. The relationship of officers in the Soviet navy with the crew was completely different. And how not to return to pre-revolutionary times. They are painfully praised.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 28 January 2021 08: 12
    +14
    In total, 173 people were convicted, only one was executed - Matyushenko. That is, tsarist Russia, unlike Western countries, had a very humane court.
    The author completely collapsed from an oak tree ?! The revolution of 1905 was drowned in blood. In fact, the majority of sailors remained in exile. Or the author is not aware that the battleship in Romania had already been taken when almost the entire team went ashore. And Matyushenko was executed because he illegally returned to Russia. The rest would return, they would also be on the gallows.
    The team was ready for battle and death. But the guns of the ships of the squadron were silent. The rebel battleship passed through the squadron twice. He was greeted with shouts of "hurray" and the battleship "George" joined him. The battleship Sinop almost joined the uprising.
    And that's it, because of the rotten meat ?! The entire Black Sea Fleet was so shocked by this that it was ready to join the rebels ?! wassat Maybe "Bloody Sunday" happened from the fact that one of the workers celebrated the need in the wrong place ?! Samsonov's articles are striking more and more
    1. icant007
      icant007 28 January 2021 10: 20
      -2
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      The entire Black Sea Fleet was so shocked by this that it was ready to join the rebels ?!


      Not all of them, but in October-November 1905, there were ferments in the Black Sea Fleet, which resulted in an uprising.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 28 January 2021 08: 32
    +32
    The attempt of the author Samsonov, the famous creator of all kinds of "historical" anecdotes about superethnos, to catch Eisenstein in deviating from the historical truth looks like an oxymoron. Moreover, with his revelations, the author is breaking through the open door - that the film "Armored" Potemkin "is a propaganda film, created for the twentieth anniversary of the first Russian revolution, has been known for a long time.
    The first critical article about the inconsistency of the episodes of the film with real events was published in the Red Fleet magazine back in 1926.
    And the facts of Eisenstein's creative invention in the form of a scene on the stairs of Feldman Boulevard (the future Potemkin), as well as the scene of the storming of the Winter Palace in the film "October", have also long been known, although some Samsonovs periodically try to "rip off the covers."
    But the propaganda power of the film is recognized all over the world.
    The worldwide rental of "Battleship Potemkin" experienced a lot of difficulties. In one of the cities in Germany, where the screening of the film was banned, even a popular street protest took place. The rental company defended the screening of the film through court, but it came out with big bills. The film was also released in the USA with many amendments. In most European countries, the film was completely banned. In Britain, this ban lasted until 1950.
    In conclusion, I will quote the words of such an odious propagandist as Goebbels, who, by the way, also banned the film: "This is a wonderful film. From a cinematic point of view, it is incomparable. Anyone who is not firm in his convictions, after watching it, perhaps, could even become a Bolshevik ... "
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 28 January 2021 09: 48
      +12
      Quote: Undecim
      The attempt of the author Samsonov, the famous creator of all kinds of "historical" anecdotes about superethnos, to catch Eisenstein in deviating from the historical truth looks like an oxymoron.

      They relished. love
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 28 January 2021 10: 31
        0
        then they will say - "brought up such an author, such a writer .."
        pedagogical Calvary.
        and Samsonov himself admits: "half of my state award belongs to you."
        but the manuscripts don't burn ...
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 28 January 2021 18: 22
      +6
      Vic. Nick, I would put Goebbels' words as a movie advertisement
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 28 January 2021 09: 47
    +7
    Well, in general, no one will eat rotten meat. Why did the battleship commander, for outright corruption not arrest the officer with the presentation of the guard? And the meat was boiled in a cauldron. So this is the creation of a revolutionary situation on a single battleship. And the film is a masterpiece and it is recognized by everyone, even opponents.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 09: 51
    +7
    It should be noted that after the successful uprising, the sailors calmly ate borscht. Nobody got poisoned.

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  • peter1v
    peter1v 28 January 2021 10: 18
    0
    Why is an English officer flying overboard on the last poster? Russian sailors never wore white trousers with a black tunic (for as if in underpants).
    1. icant007
      icant007 28 January 2021 15: 32
      -1
      Quote: peter1v
      Russian sailors never wore white trousers with a black tunic (for as if in underpants).


      Wore, in the film, many officers in a black (possibly dark blue) tunic and white trousers. Part of the team too.
      Summer work uniform, I suspect.
    2. Gato
      Gato 28 January 2021 22: 16
      +2
      Worn, there are pictures on VO:
      https://topwar.ru/5329-russkiy-flot-foto-1893-goda.html
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 28 January 2021 10: 27
    +8
    The author, apparently a lover of rotten meat soaked in salt water.
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 28 January 2021 10: 36
    +8
    It’s easy to screw up a movie that the author can no longer intercede for; this has already become the property of history.
    And you comrade Samsonov criticize modern films, for example "Bastards" or "Penal battalion." It will be much more relevant.
  • Million
    Million 28 January 2021 10: 41
    +9
    The ship's doctor Smirnov turns out to be to blame for everything. That's how you can't taste the soup, and a revolution happened. (Sarcasm)
  • bober1982
    bober1982 28 January 2021 10: 55
    -12%
    And where is Samsonov wrong?
    Eisenstein, an old storyteller, can be remembered and, Pavlik Morozov, on the conscience of the "great" director of our time, this whole dirty story around the boy.
  • Yahont
    Yahont 28 January 2021 11: 28
    +5
    The respected author, being very knowledgeable in matters of historical accuracy, decided to read your story and have a number of questions.
    First, when you describe historical events, background, motives, and chronology, be so kind as to provide facts to support your views.
    Secondly, the Bolshevik party first of all raised the issue of attracting Soldiers and sailors to its side, by delivering objective information to the servicemen about the current state of affairs in the empire, the oppression of the autocracy of the working class, and what will happen when the working class takes power into its own hands. Lenin V.I.)
    Thirdly, I will quote you, in the context of this fictional story:
    quote: Therefore, this film (this story) was too far from the historical truth..
    quote: But as an example of agitation, this is, of course, a purely author's masterpiece.
    I beg your pardon, unfortunately I have not yet studied the materiel and I do not know how to put quotes as my colleagues do.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 28 January 2021 11: 55
    +3
    On the topic of the uprising on the "Potemkin" there is an interesting book by V. Shigin "The False Heroes of the Russian Fleet", where the uprisings on the Black Sea Fleet are examined in detail. But it seems to me that it was more likely just riots at Potemkin and Ochakov. in fact, the teams did not put forward political demands, except for the release of everyone from everyone. My dad served in the 50s of the last century in the Red Banner Baltic Fleet twice on the cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" as a tower gunner (as it was written in the military card) and said that in 1954 three old sailors were brought to them on the cruiser, two were from "Varyag" and one from "Potemkin". I remember he even had a photo of the cruiser crew with these sailors, but unfortunately I could not find it. Perhaps, with the move, I got lost or just torn from old age.
  • Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 28 January 2021 12: 28
    +1
    Quote: Dalny V
    After an awesome heat treatment? How amazing! Can you imagine the taste of this brew? I - yes (in the 90s I had to try, you know).

    Also staged uprisings and shot captains with senior officers?
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 28 January 2021 12: 43
    +5
    And in those distant times, and in the Soviet fleet, and, I suppose, now too, teams for newly built ships were collected from the pine forest. That is, some from training units, some from other ships. Moreover, one must understand that no commander in his right mind will give up a good specialist and disciplined sailor. But krivoruky gouging with criminal inclinations - easily. And if need be, this one will smack and the class will be appropriated and the fine will be removed.
    Therefore, it turned out that any new ship is the essence of a collection of anti-social elements and recruits who often and densely fall under the influence of the former. And in order to restore "order" a stricter commander is appointed.
    In this case, I just found a scythe on a stone. All the same, the time was anxious, defeat in the war, revolution, etc. Well, the life of the lower ranks was, frankly, a dog's.
    By the way, the meat was not "rotten", but wormy. And that can mean anything. But most likely, these were fly larvae. And they appear in the heat and open air even in good meat in a couple of hours. At the same time, such meat is not considered lost, because they do not immediately penetrate inside. You just need to wash it well.
  • north 2
    north 2 28 January 2021 12: 56
    +6
    Eisenstein's film "Battleship Potemkin" is recognized as a world masterpiece not for the content of the script or as the true basics of history, but is recognized as a masterpiece because of the acting and innovation of cameramen and direction in the then cinema. And in the USSR, the film became significant as a propaganda textbook and a visual aid for studying the history of Russia. Even more, and even the history of the CPSU was studied on this film.
    There is only one conclusion - the artistic side and the historical side of the film, to put it mildly, has little in common in the film ..
    But here's what's interesting. As it is until now, none of the current directors have been twisting the truth about the SA and the Soviet Navy for thirty years and pouring dirt on the USSR in their films, just as none of them has made the film "BOD Watchdog". This is where the sea of ​​propaganda and anti-Sovietism will be the ocean, and such as Sablin and Shane, who will be called traitors to the Motherland and traitors to the oath, or heroic revolutionaries. By the way, when Sablin isolated the commander of the ship, at that time the crew of the Sentinel ship was watching the movie Battleship Potemkin "...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 28 January 2021 13: 36
      +4
      Quote: north 2
      This is where the sea of ​​propaganda and anti-Sovietism will be the ocean, and such as Sablin and Shane, who will be called traitors to the Motherland

      The fact of the matter is that there was no anti-Sovietism there, Sablin was a real Leninist fanatic, he opposed the distortions of Lenin's policy, of course, as it was in his head, as he understood.
      Therefore, they do not shoot films, it is not interesting, there is no anti-Sovietism.
      1. north 2
        north 2 28 January 2021 14: 32
        +4
        so let Sablin resign from military service, take off his officer's shoulder straps - and go forward on Red Square against the distortions of Lenin's policy. You would say that he would be arrested. Exactly, because they were arrested for anti-Sovietism in the USSR, and encouraged for anti-Sovietism in the West. That is why Sablin BOD "Sentinel" and led to a meeting with NATO ships in neutral waters. With such a product as a new BOD with the latest weapons, with ZAS and SPS systems, with the latest radars and stations, it is for this that Sablin's price in the West would be even higher than that of the traitor Belenko, who stole the latest MiG.
        In the 23rd ODRK in Tallinn, I had to end my service together with Bacharnikov, who had been written off there from the disbanded Sentorozhevoy BMC. So I know firsthand what and how and why happened then at the "Watchdog". And that Sablin committed this betrayal of the Motherland only when he got hold of a very valuable product for NATO - the newest Sentinel APC. While Sablin served not on such valuable ships, he did not commit treason. This would be the same if Belenko hijacked the An-2 maize. What is then valuable to him in the West. Al no, I was waiting to sit at the wheel
        the newest MIG. So Sablin, waited until he would be the political officer of the newest BOD. So there is no need for a traitor to hang the areolas of a fanatic Leninist ..
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 28 January 2021 14: 41
          -1
          Yes, his head was in complete confusion.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 28 January 2021 18: 50
      +1
      "BOD" Watchdog "in fact, Sablin's" roof "went or was he a schizo initially? If the latter is the question, how did he graduate from school, that no one noticed his schizosity?
      I see only one explanation: he knew how to quote perfectly, but very few people read Lenin, and made progress on this.
      1. north 2
        north 2 28 January 2021 19: 47
        +3
        what a madness Sablin can have if he climbed the career ladder quickly, as if on an elevator. And how he prepared everything on the ship - he isolated the commander and officers and how secretly prepared his accomplices for the hijacking of the BOD. This could only be a calculating and very sober enemy. The BOD is not a boat, and in order to date and hold the course of such a ship, people are needed in BC-5 and in BC-1. But if a group of traitors had been organized throughout the ship, then not only Sablin would have been shot. And why Sablin advanced so quickly in the service, there is an explanation.
        I do not in any way want to offend the naval political officers of the times of the USSR. It was they who taught me to love the Motherland and from the boy they made the man who I still am. But there were political officers for whom the entire combat capability of the crew consisted only in knowing by heart the thick notebooks with numbers memorized - how much the Brezhnev USSR overtook Tsarist Russia in 1913. And the quotes and quotations from Brezhnev's "Small Earth" and "Virgin lands" are also memorized. But for the way such political officers then fascinated the political administration. So these moved in service faster than all the officers, specialists in their warheads and faster than commanders, and many officers were even afraid and hated of such as drones.
        By the way, the special department also did not catch mice very much, ate Sablin managed to circle his finger and find accomplices on the ship for himself. And this is not a process of one and not the spirit of days or even months ...
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 29 January 2021 14: 28
          +1
          I do not particularly know the details of that story, but from what was published, it turns out something like this: Sablin announces: "The captain fell ill, but he ordered me to command. The anchor is being removed."
          How reliable is it that one of the sailors jumped overboard to warn. Someone was shooting at him. This was noticed on a nearby ship and so they learned.
          Concerning the accomplices, it seems that only one was tried. If you know more, please tell us. I will be grateful
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 28 January 2021 20: 31
        -3
        Quote: vladcub
        the question is, how did he graduate from college, that no one noticed his schizonality?
        I see only one explanation: he knew how to quote perfectly, but very few people read Lenin, and made progress on this.

        You at least understand what you said, think about it.
        These are anti-Soviet words, if no one read Lenin in the USSR, then what happens, but what did the Soviet people read then in that case? It turns out that reading Lenin was like being crazy.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 29 January 2021 14: 15
          +3
          Many have read it, but if we compare it with demagogues, it turns out they have not read it. Could you put a quote on every sneeze? I doubt
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 January 2021 13: 53
    +11
    And here I am, camerades, laughing like Bucephalus - I came across a Ukrainian resource:
    "Yak the Ukrainian revolution has begun.
    115 years ago, the insurrection was carried out on the Panzernik "Potomkin"



    UKRAINIAN REVOLUTION !!!!!
    laughing laughing

    No, I can't, I will go and take 300 drops of essential valerian ...
    1. Gato
      Gato 28 January 2021 22: 35
      +4
      No, I can't, I'll go and take 300 drops of essential valerian ...

      It won't help ... And if it does, I recommend a quote from the Galician encyclopedia:

      Ukrainian warehouse. holding dієvoi floti in 1918 rosі buv such: 8 linіine ships, of which 2 veletnі-drednavti 23 t. skinny, 400 circles, 4 aviomatok (hіdrokryisіv), 6 sailing mini-carriers, 27 tn. 13 thous. 1100 submarine chapters, 1360 canonical chapels on the choly with the canonical chapel "Zaporozhets", 17 minivan out-of-town, a number of patrol boats, cruise ships, the transport fleet of the fleet of the "Zaporozhets" ... In Budov in Mykolaiv buli: line ship veleten-dreadnav "Sobornaya Ukraina" 5 t., 6 circles on a chol with the cruiser Hetman Bohdan Khmelnitsky (now "Chervona Ukraine"), 11.000 eskadrenikh minivans, 27.900 sub-water chambers, one uterus for sub-water chambers "Dnipro" and a magnificent floating dock for 4 tons. "

      You can't get off with valerian here, yes ..
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos 30 January 2021 01: 31
        +1
        came across a Ukrainian resource:

        they unearthed there that the participants in the mutiny are members of the Ukrainian Revolutionary Party (Kovalenko for sure)
        plus the ethnic composition of many natives of Ukrainian lands.
        No wonder. In the translation of this Ukrainian article, the same Samsonov (these are not Bolsheviks, this is meat, this is this, only with the rudiments of Ukrainian self-awareness

        Quote: Gato
        Cathedral Ukraine

        oh, this is Nikolai 1 unworthy
        "Emperor Nicholas I" is the fourth and last Black Sea dreadnought battleship. Development of the "Empress Maria" type.
        During the UPR, they simply took and renamed a lot of things. Tsarist power was no longer there.
        Tin, not language, even the translator of the standard Ukrainian does not take. The Ukrainian Wiki does not contain this text.
      2. hjvtp1966
        hjvtp1966 30 January 2021 23: 06
        0
        Well, why insult Ukrainians? We have no less propaganda rubbish. The picture is valid!
  • Keer
    Keer 28 January 2021 15: 37
    +7
    About Lenin's fight with Matyushenko in emigration, can you give more details?
  • Konnick
    Konnick 28 January 2021 16: 05
    +5
    As the leader and teacher teaches us there - separate flies from cutlets. The film "Battleship Potemkin" is the best not for the script, but for the combination of shooting and editing techniques that were first used in the world in this film. For example, the scene of the shooting on the Potemkin stairs - filming was carried out simultaneously from several cameras ... and this is an achievement of the Soviet Union.
  • BAI
    BAI 28 January 2021 16: 49
    +2
    And the red flag on the rebellious battleship is not a symbol of the Bolsheviks, but according to the international code of signals - readiness for battle.

    The film is black and white. Eisenstein painted the flag by hand, frame by frame.

    In the history of the uprising on the cruiser Pamyat Azov, bad soup also appears. Apparently, the problem with food in the fleet was systemic.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 28 January 2021 17: 20
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      In the history of the uprising on the cruiser Pamyat Azov, bad soup also appears. Apparently, the problem with food in the fleet was systemic.

      The battleship "Gangut" in the Baltic in 1915. After coal, instead of the promised macaroni (considered the master's meal), the team was given barley porridge. A murmur began, the commander went ashore and left the senior assistant to handle the situation. As a result, a fight between sailors and officers, shooting, a riot, court and penal companies, leaving which the sailor Dybenko becomes the chairman of Tsentrobalt, which provided the main support for the October coup. So much for the price of pasta laughing And they would have given pasta, you look, and Dybenko would not have got to the Bolsheviks, and then who knows how history could turn. About October Revolution, I ask the communists not to spray boiling water, the members of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) themselves until 1927 called the October Revolution that way. And they knew better what happened, they took part in it personally.
  • dust31
    dust31 28 January 2021 19: 27
    -4
    good article. Debunking lies is always a good thing. Historical lies cannot be good.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 28 January 2021 20: 17
    +6
    "Samsonov" or "Samsonovs" contradicts itself: "ordered to bring a tarpaulin .... it was perceived as preparation for execution" then we read further: "in fact, the breeze was usually used during dinners on the upper deck", it turns out some kind of absurdity: the sailors refused to dine, and the senior officer ordered a breeze to be brought. Perhaps he thought that the rebels, seeing the breeze, would want to eat? Or is he retelling the plot of the film?
    The author (s) is always not very friendly with details and logic. And he (they) and Kharluzhny also believe that they are higher than some plebeians, you and me, in order to respond to the wishes of the audience. Probably, they were proud of "boiled", as we said
  • vladcub
    vladcub 28 January 2021 20: 34
    +5
    In fact, the riot could have been prevented when the captain called the doctor: "Smirnov again recognized the wrestling as good without trying it" if he tried it and said that good "steam would be let off"
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 28 January 2021 21: 11
    +2
    Colleagues, would you like to read anti-Soviet nonsense?
    And "Samsonov" a friendly recommendation: leave the story to more adequate authors
  • north 2
    north 2 28 January 2021 21: 32
    +3
    Quote: icant007
    Quote: peter1v
    Russian sailors never wore white trousers with a black tunic (for as if in underpants).


    Wore, in the film, many officers in a black (possibly dark blue) tunic and white trousers. Part of the team too.
    Summer work uniform, I suspect.

    not only Russian sailors, but also Soviet Navy sailors wore white trousers and black jackets. In the USSR Navy, sailors of ships of the first rank, for example the cruiser "Sverdlov", wore a white robe. In autumn and spring, at the morning formation, all conscripts are in white trousers in a work dress - robes and in black pea jackets. And when examining the appearance, it was also necessary to show the second set of white robe, and that it would always be cleanly washed. And they checked the cleanliness not only from the outside of the robe, which is not for you from the locker, but also bending from the inside so that the seams were not greasy, because some were lazy, they did not wash this white robe from the inside. And it could only be washed by spreading it out on any deck and scrubbing with a nylon brush, because it was made of a material like canvas or tarpaulin. And then we all were in a clean work dress, and the second set was also always clean. By the way, on the cruiser "Sverdlov" there was not any year of service for a young man to wash the robe of an old soldier. For this, the old servicemen chased the young so that those robes were always pure white. The officers were full of work and worries without this. But ten years after the end of the service I got to retraining already on a minesweeper. There conscripts wore a blue robe. So she, blue and not white, among young conscripts was clearly dirty from the outside. I imagine she was the same from the inside. To the question of old-timers why they don’t chase the young, so that they wear clean working dresses, the old-timers answered that they shouldn’t be pressed against the young, they can sit down for it in the disbat. The times have already begun Gorbachev's ...
  • Avior
    Avior 28 January 2021 22: 12
    +10
    the story of the uprising on the battleship is slightly stretched.
    1. with food then, due to the lack of refrigerators, problems were not so uncommon
    what can I say. In my service in the 80s, rice with white flour worms was not a novelty. The first time they gave up eating, they got outraged, the political officer shouted at the head of food, telling him, among other things, about the reasons for the uprising on Potemkin in the army dialect :), the second time they just put the rice aside, for the third time they shook off the worms and ate rice. didn’t get poisoned :) I don’t think that in those days problems with stale food for a huge crowd of 800 men were such a wonder to raise an uprising because of this.
    2. food was then built by artels, there was an article here somehow, including the officers, by the way, they were thrown into the wardroom. Not one inspector went to buy food, but with the artels from the team, so it cannot be said that he bought the dubious meat secretly, it was impossible to say then this process was different from the modern one, there were no centralized supplies in the form we are used to. something like this
    In those days there was a general strike in Odessa, some shops were closed, trade was carried out in smaller volumes. The inspector, midshipman A. N. Makarov, senior of the food procurement group, brought the ship cooks and sailors accompanying him to the shop of his friend merchant Kopylov. There was meat in Kopylov's store, but the buyers noticed that there were “little white worms” on it (the shop's clerk, Y. Vorobiev, later testified that the meat was from slaughter on June 11 or 12). Warrant officer A. N. Makarov did not attach any importance to this, and the sailors who walked around the whole bazaar did not find meat in other stores in sufficient quantities for purchase. The midshipman rejected the offer of the artel workers to buy meat directly on the Tendrovskaya Spit from the peasants, since meat at the bazaar in Odessa was cheaper. At the end of the day, finding nothing else, the purchasing group purchased 28 poods of that same beef.

    pay attention, 28 poods of meat - almost half a ton of meat, it is not easy to buy at the bazaar, and the question of price was also important.
    white worms - washed with salt water and vinegar - we would not eat if we saw, but in public catering it did not happen, and it happens. And even more so in those days. In general, I would not blame tsarism in general, and midshipman Makarov in particular, that he secretly bought rotten meat for a pittance
    - there was no other, as the team representatives were convinced. Rather, a coincidence, not so outlandish at the time, without air conditioning and refrigerators.
    2 what's next? while they brought it, the meat became very bad, they cooked the next day
    Neither the ship's captain nor the officer of the watch began to take a sample from the borscht cooked for the crew. The borsch was examined by the senior physician of the battleship S.E. Smirnov, who recognized it as good. The reputation of doctor Smirnov among the team was low, he was considered "capable of all meanness." The team refused to take tanks for borscht and defiantly ate crackers with water.

    In the morning, part of the meat was hung out to ventilate - after it was crumpled, as I understand it, the team did not like the smell.
    the team also did not like the borscht made from this meat, but it is not clear whether the borscht itself or because the meat was smelled separately. but there is no riot yet - the artels probably told how it was. maybe they lied, of course, so that epithets for such a purchase would not fall on them. but in general, some people even tried it and found it normal. someone went to the store to buy food, someone gnawed crackers - not fatal, in general.
    3. When the commander found out, he ordered to line up and raised the question bluntly - who is ready to eat borscht, move to the tower - the unit immediately retreated.
    Going out to the sailors and learning from them the reason why they refuse to eat, the ship's captain called the senior doctor from the wardroom and ordered him to re-examine the borscht. Doctor S. Ye. Smirnov recognized the borscht as good for the second time without trying it, and indicated that the team was “fat”. After that, the battleship commander threatened the sailors with punishment for the riot and ordered those: “Who wants to eat borscht - go to the 12-inch tower. And who does not want - for those on the ship there are nods! ". .... Seeing the stubbornness of the sailors, the commander ordered to call the guard - the sailors knew well what this meant - after the call of the guard, a surname of the violators of discipline was usually made, which meant inevitable retribution.

    the team realized that right now they would rewrite and flog. everyone pushed to the tower. The senior officer realized that everyone would leave and there would be no one to punish, ordered the guard to jerk the unsuccessful and ordered to rewrite them for punishment.
    the decision was frankly unfair, no one was going to riot over borscht. but the situation when the senior officer showed obvious tyranny and injustice ignited the team, including because of the elementary sailor brotherhood. Yes, and drank before that on an empty stomach according to the rules of the fleet of that time. Again, he ordered to bring the tarpaulin. it is unlikely that the officer wanted to shoot 30 people at once, this is very much too much, rather he tried to protect him until they rewrite it, the sailors understood this as an attempt to shoot.
    It was then that the riot began precisely as an attempt to protect comrades from the tyranny of an officer.
    So, I think, it is the senior officer, not the inspector, who is to blame for the incident.
    4. Further - worse. The clumsy actions of the ship's commander provoked the team to take further actions.
    At that moment, the ship's commander ordered the signalman to call destroyer No. 267. Hearing this, the rebels began to shout that they would kill anyone who gave such a signal. EN Golikov gave the order to the senior assistant with the help of the sentry to disperse the rioters by force. I.I.Gilyarovsky checked whether the guards' rifles were loaded, and went with three guards towards the battery deck. At that very moment the fireman VZ Nikishin on the tank fired at the seagull. The sounded shot was perceived as a signal for the beginning of active operations: the artillery quartermaster V.G. Vakulenchuk shot at his immediate commander, senior artillery officer Lieutenant L.K. Neupokoev.

    and off we go.
    so the sailors, who had no desire to rebel, by the efforts of the officers of the battleship suddenly became rioters, and nothing could be changed: (...
    1. north 2
      north 2 28 January 2021 22: 47
      0
      those from whom the pharmacists bought meat for the Potemkin's crew were called food supplies. They have always been rather dark personalities and they often arrived there and followed where the troops were on campaigns or on maneuvers, or warships arrived or were. Even during the war, they followed the troops and sniffed food that was not at all the first freshness. And pharmacists another time. all the more so in such a situation in which Russia was during the times of "Battleship Potemkin" and it was not something to choose from. Such marketeers were often associated with dishonest rear operators. This is a kind of then trade mafia, with military elements. By the way, these were the very ones who poisoned the legendary commander of the brig Mercury, Lieutenant-Commander Kazarsky, then the captain of the first rank, when he was sent to conduct an audit and check the rear offices and warehouses in the same ports of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 28 January 2021 22: 20
    0
    A whole book "revealing" both the uprising on the Potemkin and the uprising on the Ochakov ... was written by "False ngeroi of the Russian fleet" and published by someone
    "Shigin vladimir vilenovich"

    Not that it is important that the next slander both in the book and on "VO" - are accustomed to both the literary Vlasovites and traitors and the traitors who stood at the pinnacle of power and INTENTIONALLY ruined both RI and the USSR by their betrayal.

    It is disgusting that a pachkun-Vlasovite shigin is a half-liter worker, a graduate of the Kiev paramilitary-non-coastal "politukha", like many traitors,
    member - KPSSovets, graduate of VPA named after Lenin,
    For many years he was in political politics, taught hp. To love the homeland and put the decisions of the CPSU into practice.
    When he was a bachelor, he was prestigious and, having received a pension for his services in the SOVIET, he suddenly regained his sight and the "prada-mother"

    The example is contagious, although "shigin" modet and sue for plagiarism.

    It is good that the adversary did not attack, with such educated half-liter workers they would lose everything.

    Provides a record pissiness, why quality is more important than gono \ rey \ rar

    Perhaps Sablin was more decent than such pussies, he honestly wanted improvements ...

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8
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    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 6 February 2021 09: 42
      0
      Maybe you shouldn't advertise the opus "pachkun-Vlasov"? And you also give a link.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 28 January 2021 23: 13
    0
    The joke became deadly.


    Yeah, it's all a joke. You don't have to read further.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 28 January 2021 23: 22
    +3
    However, Potemkin is far from the historical truth. In fact, it is a masterpiece of propaganda.

    So what? Like now, films are made truthful and honest and without propaganda?
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 28 January 2021 23: 29
    +8
    in Italian, "vermicelli" is both narrow pasta and worms

    The Italian language is to blame for everything, not rotten, rotten meat ... Hmm ... This is a "masterpiece" of anti-Soviet propaganda.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 28 January 2021 23: 34
    +6
    the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with organizing the rebellion

    As far as I remember, the film does not claim that the Bolsheviks are involved in the uprising on the battleship.
    It's a pity you can't put a minus on the article.
  • Andy
    Andy 29 January 2021 07: 09
    +6
    then a deceitful Potemkin, now a deceitful admiral ...
  • Kwas
    Kwas 29 January 2021 14: 17
    +1
    That's what I want to speculate about is the practice of propaganda. The film is propaganda, no one argues with this, but in those years, the bulk of people were perceived as unambiguously documentary. This is the property of very many people - to believe the book and the film, even now (I have a friend, so for him there is a weighty argument “they made a film about this”), and even then there was general trust in films (and in the Soviet regime). Then people got an education, grew wiser, and someone put in their heads the idea "the Bolsheviks lied, and in everything!"
    What am I doing? Besides, when creating propaganda legends, one should not lie, even a little. It is then too expensive. And this also applies to us.
    1. place
      place 29 January 2021 14: 56
      -1
      I completely agree. We are often asked the question: “Why are we losing to the West in the information war?” But simply because we lie more! Like; "a lie does not hang on the collar." Well, the West lies only in the most necessary case. They have a greater percentage of truth in their propaganda.
  • place
    place 29 January 2021 14: 51
    +1
    The sailors have questions ...How does the author of this opus know that Eisenstein meant the Bolshevik flag under the red flag over "Potemkin"? Maybe he also meant the international maritime signal? Or does the Author believe that the color of the flag should have been different? On what grounds?
    Most likely, the author is simply supposed to bring the Bolsheviks here in one way or another .... indicated and required.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 29 January 2021 22: 00
    0
    What a twist!..
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 29 January 2021 22: 21
      0
      Whatever it was. I am a supporter of Soviet power under the leadership of the CPSU.
      And not this orgy. Not enough capitalism / not enough socialism ...
      Where are we heading Vital ?! Our old welder Rudolph asks me.
      And I don't know what to answer him ...
      Downhill Father. What else can I tell him request
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 30 January 2021 07: 13
        +1
        Quote: Benzorez
        not enough socialism ...

        Where do you see socialism? Except only in memories .. We have the most vulgar capitalism.
  • Andreich74
    Andreich74 30 January 2021 11: 03
    +2
    Regarding worms on meat. I read somewhere (though for a long time), in the field, maggots were planted on open and decaying wounds. These creatures ate all the filth, they were removed (I don’t remember exactly) and the wound remained clean. Maybe with meat for cooking, too, something like that?
    1. hjvtp1966
      hjvtp1966 30 January 2021 22: 50
      +4
      I think you would not want to be convinced of this personally. But if the gentlemen officers had condescended to demonstratively dine with the team, what they considered food for people, they would have survived. But alas, the Russian people have long been divided into a race of masters and into all others, and this was the reason for the death of the empire.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 5 February 2021 16: 51
      +1
      Well, you also bent! Worms in an open wound on rotten meat are one thing, rotten meat in the stomach is quite another thing. Rotten meat produces deadly cadaveric poison. And where did the author get the idea that the team then ate the rotten meat?
  • hjvtp1966
    hjvtp1966 30 January 2021 22: 42
    +1
    And this is Samsonov ??? Apparently it is not without reason that there are opinions that Samsonov is a group of authors, but then it is not clear what connects them besides royalties?
  • Ivan Hangoverov
    Ivan Hangoverov 1 February 2021 05: 33
    +1
    Internet lies. A good film, the meat was rotten - rightly this bastard bent over the king.
  • uralant
    uralant 3 February 2021 09: 27
    +2
    But you have lied, the author -> the author -> the author, having highlighted the "historical", and not the Feature Film at the beginning! The film received all awards for artistic solutions, not for historical truth. And why this is done is clear. To justify the current crafts called historical. Like Zuleikha, Upward movement, etc. etc. if Eisenstein made and did his films, now we see pathetic fakes of "great Hollywood". Moreover, modern authors do not hide this: what interest can a movie about a team that went and won the Olympic Games arouse, if three heaps of lies did not start there. It is strange that the guy who completely recovered from cerebral palsy did not become the champion.
    The only difference is that Eisenstein took a historical canvas and planted his artistic vision on it. And contemporary artists take historical lies and try to make art history or propaganda out of it, which is more correct. No less a hat. Found someone to compare the current liberal konyukturshikov.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 5 February 2021 16: 40
    +1
    Firstly, the film is not false, but fictional, the author had the right to fiction. Secondly, the naval order in those days and without any revolution was brutal. The Potemkin was not the only ship in the Russian fleet. Other ships also carried meat and worms, and severe corporal punishment and executions. Thirdly, no one prohibited the propaganda of the revolution in the USSR and it was foolish to expect that the propaganda would be anti-communist. Fourthly, truly false films that have nothing at all to do with the truth are now concocting about the USSR and the communists.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 6 February 2021 09: 32
    +1
    Again everything was as shown (wormy meat, tarpaulin, red flag), but - "you misunderstand, this is different"?