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Ukraine tried to challenge the credentials of the Russian delegation to PACE

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Ukraine tried to challenge the credentials of the Russian delegation to PACE

The winter session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) began again with a proposal to remove the powers of the members of the Russian delegation. The Ukrainian delegation made a corresponding statement.


The head of the Ukrainian delegation to PACE, deputy of the presidential party "Servant of the People" Maria Mezentseva proposed to challenge the rights of the Russian delegation. According to the procedure, after Mezentseva's statement, a vote was held in which 38 parliamentarians from five national delegations spoke in favor of depriving the Russians of their powers, 61 parliamentarians opposed, and another 51 abstained.

The situation was commented on by the head of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs Leonid Slutsky, who said that the decision of the PACE delegates was predictable, the proposal of Ukraine once again failed.

We hope that the attempt of the Ukrainian delegation to challenge Russia's credentials in PACE will suffer the same fate as in January 2020. Our position remains: we do not accept any restrictions and sanctions. The credentials were contested predictably and received only 38 votes in the vote

- he said.

Note that Ukraine is categorically against the participation of the Russian delegation in PACE after the events of 2014 and the return of Crimea. The Russian delegation has already refused to participate in meetings after the restriction of its rights, at the same time Russia stopped making contributions to PACE, which led to the suspension of many programs of the Council of Europe.

After the Russians returned to PACE in 2019, Ukraine defiantly recalled its delegation and ambassador to the Council of Europe.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 25 January 2021 16: 59
    +10
    at the same time, Russia stopped making contributions to PACE, which led to the suspension of many programs of the Council of Europe.

    And I read that they paid everything to a penny, including for years of inactivity. Are they lying? Who knows?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 25 January 2021 17: 08
      +26
      Well said. Vital.
      In relations between Russia and Ukraine, there was a unique situation when Russia contained Ukraine, and Ukraine was sure that it was it that contained Russia. But this situation has its own explanation. In the USSR, everything was decided by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, which, after Stalin's death, consisted mainly of former Ukrainians, starting from the times of Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and ending at times of perestroika. The main body that controlled the economy, the State Planning Committee, was practically ruled by Ukrainians. Therefore, rivers of prosperity flowed to Ukraine in the form of overestimating all calculated coefficients for Ukraine, and underestimating them for Russia. Everything that Russia did was rated much lower, and everything that Ukraine did was rated much higher. The Ukrainian screwdriver assembly from the Russian configuration had a large and overestimated added value, due to which a significant part of Russian production was counted in the volume of Ukrainian GDP. And if you add the energy resources that were supplied to Ukraine for a song, you get a complete picture of the most selfish brotherhood in history.


      And then Ukraine went wrong. The question arose of where to find another Russia in order to live at its expense, but that was not the case.
      ... Ukrainian import substitution mriya, which consists in the desire to find a fat neck to replace the Russian one, and sit on it, dangling legs and tongue about its usefulness, is doomed, since this can never be anywhere else. Therefore, they began to sing a different song there - never was life so bad in Ukraine as it was under Putin. The aspect of freedom should also be noted. On the Maidan they got the freedom to choose a new owner, and they chose him. And what about the new owner, why does not he support Ukraine in such a way that Russia would envy? It turns out that the new owner has no such plans, he only needs to harm Russia by using Ukraine as a victim. The United States considers Ukraine to be a part of the Russian world, and the destruction of Ukraine will, in their opinion, be a great damage to Russia. Therefore, the Ukrainians can no longer interfere in the affairs of Ukraine - this is not their business, this is the business of the Americans.

      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5e3c7db7b546fc01ff5196f4/ukrainskoe-importozamescenie--gde-naiti-druguiu-rossiiu-chtoby-jit-za-ee-schet-600b2bf941733326ebdd239b
      1. businessv
        businessv 25 January 2021 17: 27
        +11
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The question arose of where to find another Russia in order to live at its expense, but that was not the case.

        Interesting material, vital! Thank you! smile
        1. Volkof
          Volkof 25 January 2021 20: 50
          +6
          Russia must come up with an initiative to deprive Ukraine of its powers in PACE, as a US colony! As a country without sovereignty and under the full control of the United States and organizations dependent on the United States!
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 25 January 2021 22: 32
            +5
            Quote: Volkof
            Russia should come up with an initiative to deprive Ukraine of its powers in PACE, as a US colony!
            The initiative can, of course, be brought in, but it is unlikely that PACE will support it, since Ukraine for them is the same as a laboratory rat whose life can be sacrificed for the benefit of an experiment. There will be no rat, there will be no sense in the existence of the laboratory itself.
            Quote: Volkof
            As a country without sovereignty and under the full control of the United States and organizations dependent on the United States!
            Sovereignty in this case secondary proceeding from the subject of the constant keeping of this worthless country on the PACE agenda, this is nothing more than an instrument of pressure on Russia. Primarily, despite the fact that Ukraine's contribution to PACE is estimated at three to four hundred thousand dollars, PACE still has a reason to put pressure on Russia, which allocates almost three tens of millions of dollars to the organization's budget. You can not deny yourself anything and at the same time shit in your benefactor's pockets. Another thing is interesting, why our country does not assess the amount of its contribution to the budget of this office, depending on the adoption of positive decisions in the practical overcoming of differences between Europe and Russia. No positive decisions - no babos. What is the use of the fact that, having returned the right to vote to us, this worthless PACE does not want to hear this voice and is led by some geopolitical dwarfs?
          2. Maikcg
            Maikcg 26 January 2021 03: 10
            +1
            It is necessary to come up with an initiative to deprive all PACE of powers, as countries without sovereignty hi
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 January 2021 17: 45
        +9
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        And then Ukraine went wrong. The question arose where to find another Russia in order to live at its expense.

        Now everyone has understood "who is who" and there will be no more freebies.
      3. Kronos
        Kronos 25 January 2021 18: 54
        -18%
        Nonsense, many republics of the USSR were dated just for their development. And you have another - Russia fed everyone, although there is a closed cycle where everyone was useful.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 25 January 2021 20: 33
          +6
          Quote: Kronos
          Nonsense, dаОMany republics of the USSR were established simply for their development. And you have another - Russia fed everyone, although there is a closed cycle where everyone was beneficial.

          What benefit was brought by the one who consumed 2-3 times more than earned. And yes - only the RSFSR and Belarus did not have to "develop", and the rest successfully "developed" ...
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 25 January 2021 20: 39
            -4
            The benefit of the whole country. When agriculture was developed in one republic, for example, mechanical engineering in another.
          2. Avior
            Avior 25 January 2021 21: 42
            -2
            this picture wanders around the Runet with the filing of a Komsomol member, and where it came from, no one knows
            the figures in it are clearly a linden, look, for example, at the figures for Turkmenistan. produced 8,6, consumed 16, the difference is +4. This is where the compiler was taught such arithmetic? smile
            1. realmadmaxx
              realmadmaxx 26 January 2021 07: 33
              +4
              well, you will not deny that in the same Turkmenistan development was at the expense of the Russians and the RSFSR lol without Russia, then only Kazakhstan lives more or less norms, again on the built RSFSR)
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 08: 11
                +4
                Quote: realmadmaxx
                without Russia, then only Kazakhstan lives more or less norms, again on the built RSFSR

                And we pay him for the RENT of Baikonur (which is now called BaikonYr for some reason), which NONE of the Kazakhs built. Maximum - the concrete will be brought to the site on a dump truck. They were not allowed into Leninsk at all - there was a checkpoint. That in Leninsk, that on the sites - you could walk all day and not a single Kazakh was found.

                And now Baikonur THEM ... We pay rent, we humiliate ourselves .... And Leninsk (BaikonYr) is in "joint management" ... It's disgusting ...
                1. realmadmaxx
                  realmadmaxx 26 January 2021 08: 21
                  +4
                  Well, sooner or later ours will leave Baikonur as Vostochny will rise in full force
                  Ukraine was punished for their impudence ... SP-1 and SP-2)
                  and the rest will reach sooner or later)
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 26 January 2021 08: 44
                    +4
                    Quote: realmadmaxx
                    Well, sooner or later ours will leave Baikonur as Vostochny will rise in full force

                    I wonder what Kazakhstan will do with him after that? Will he hand over to Russia for ferrous and non-ferrous metal? They have experience - in the 90s, communication cables were pulled from the land in the steppe with camels. Or will they lease to America? America does not need it for space, but to place offensive missiles in our underbelly is the very thing.

                    I do not even consider the option with Kazakhstan's development of its own space program as utopian and frankly funny.
                    1. realmadmaxx
                      realmadmaxx 26 January 2021 08: 47
                      +3
                      let's wait and see, in any case we have cosmodromes, and all the most important things need to be built on our own land, and let strangers somehow live without us and not at our expense)
              2. Avior
                Avior 26 January 2021 09: 23
                -1
                I just mean that the plate is clearly unreal.
          3. realmadmaxx
            realmadmaxx 26 January 2021 07: 29
            +4
            I recently read the history of the USSR here, there is this plate good
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 26 January 2021 12: 22
              0
              Recommend? You need to look it up on the Internet, download it to email book.
      4. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 26 January 2021 12: 21
        +1
        “selfish brotherhood" is an excellent definition. Objective! Comprehensive!
    2. Crowe
      Crowe 25 January 2021 17: 13
      +16
      Quote: Pereira
      And I read that they paid everything to a penny, including for years of inactivity. Are they lying?

      No, they don't lie.
      RIA News. Russia will pay the remaining debt on membership fees for 2017 and 2018 to the budget of the Council of Europe, according to the government's order.
      The amount will be 54,7 million euros, it will be taken from the federal budget. The step has been agreed with the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of Culture and the Ministry of Transport.
      The Foreign Ministry confirmed this information.

      1. hydrox
        hydrox 25 January 2021 17: 26
        +8
        They lie only about stopping programs: either they were not originally there, but there were only lines for cutting, or the money was really used somewhere, but I have no doubt that OUR money with YOU was not used for the good of Russia, but more probably their Russophobic use.
        Well, what other preferences did Russia get from being present at the meetings of this PACE, if not a single issue related to Russia or requiring the Russian opinion to be voiced was resolved there?
        Only the travel funds issued to satisfy the wishes and the "involvement" of our powerful bureaucrats in the European political process were only gobbled up.
    3. Avior
      Avior 25 January 2021 17: 16
      +3
      Paid
      STRASBOURG, 2 October. / TASS /. Russia has closed all the debts to the budget of the Council of Europe, having paid contributions for the years of non-participation of its delegation in the work of the Parliamentary Assembly of the organization. This was announced on Wednesday by the Secretary General of the Council of Europe Maria Peichinovic-Buric at the PACE meeting.
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 January 2021 19: 43
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        Paid

        I didn't even understand the ending
        After the Russians returned to PACE in 2019, Ukraine defiantly recalled its delegation and ambassador to the Council of Europe.

        where are they broadcasting from? have returned already?
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 January 2021 20: 03
          +1
          I think they left by the end of the session, more symbolically
          1. poquello
            poquello 25 January 2021 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            I think they left by the end of the session, more symbolically

            )))) Are you a little pregnant?
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 25 January 2021 17: 50
      +2
      Paid when, returned.
    5. SSR
      SSR 25 January 2021 22: 29
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      at the same time, Russia stopped making contributions to PACE, which led to the suspension of many programs of the Council of Europe.

      And I read that they paid everything to a penny, including for years of inactivity. Are they lying? Who knows?

      Even so?
      But I dream about something else, Russia is kicked out of this cesspool and 404 pays the contributions to expelled Russia.
      Rogues will collect bottles in the Russian Federation and hand over a fee for the Russian Federation and against the Russian Federation.
      Raguglier.
    6. tolmachiev51
      tolmachiev51 26 January 2021 04: 38
      +1
      No, they don't lie !!! - "money in the morning, chairs in the evening" is banal but it's a fact.
  2. Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 25 January 2021 17: 00
    +1
    it looks like we are at ukrov like a splinter in one dark place
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 January 2021 17: 27
      +7
      This is who else has a splinter ...
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 25 January 2021 17: 57
        +7
        hi This country 404 is becoming a head splinter for Europe, everyone is tired of it already. At all Ukraine in the pass is an oxymoron in itself: where is Europe and where is the 404s request Why does the Russian Federation pass this is understandable, I do not quite understand why Russia is passing this - for talking ...
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 25 January 2021 18: 51
          +1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          I don't quite understand why Russia needs this pass - for talking ...

          For some reason, apparently, is needed. But I also think that PACE will not save Russia.
        2. cniza
          cniza 25 January 2021 18: 56
          +2
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          Why does the Russian Federation pass this is understandable, I do not quite understand why Russia is passing this - for talking ...


          Greetings! hi

          Except how to talk, there is no other visible ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 25 January 2021 21: 00
            +3
            Quote: cniza
            Except how to talk, there is no other visible ...

            They are, by definition, advisory body...
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 25 January 2021 20: 39
          +3
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          Why does the Russian Federation pass this is understandable, I do not quite understand why Russia this pass

          Unnecessary and stupid legacy of the Sverdlovsk drunkard.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 January 2021 17: 46
      0
      Quote: Boromir1941
      it looks like we are at ukrov like a splinter in one dark place

      Everything is accurate, but vice versa.
    3. Avior
      Avior 25 January 2021 20: 04
      -1
      Or vice versa:)
  3. 210ox
    210ox 25 January 2021 17: 00
    +9
    What have we forgotten there at all? It's time to break off political relations with tolerant people.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 25 January 2021 17: 25
      +12
      The Russian Federation was in the top five payers in terms of the amount of the contribution: annually Moscow contributed 33 million euros to the budget of the Council of Europe, which was approximately 7% of the total budget of the organization. In return, Russia could itself determine the number of its delegates participating in the PACE meeting, and in general delegate up to 250 employees.

      How, then, officials will refuse such a sinecure (free of charge overseas business trips paid for by robust enough, and even in a pandemic, when other officials are not allowed to their beloved west) where you don't need to do anything, someone heard what they were doing there and what was the use from PACE to the country ..? I am not.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 January 2021 19: 01
        +1
        Quote: Crowe
        did anyone hear what they are doing there

        Pagavar.
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 January 2021 20: 06
          -2
          On VO and abruptly write :)))
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 January 2021 17: 03
    +7
    Meanwhile, the widow of the murdered man in the "democratic and equal" Vuk-ry Maksakov returned to Russia, by the way. ... lol
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 25 January 2021 17: 10
      +1
      Interesting business ......!
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 25 January 2021 17: 31
      +3
      And why did she come here?
      For a survivor's pension?
      Or in order to take control of what was stolen and plundered?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 January 2021 17: 47
        +2
        Quote: hydrox
        Or in order to take control of what was stolen and plundered?

        She lowered everything, settled in the hotel.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 25 January 2021 19: 16
          +1
          Y-yes, for such a life, you still need to have the habit of hanging around by numbers ... lol
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 25 January 2021 18: 19
        0
        Will be elected to the Duma again.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 January 2021 21: 07
          0
          Quote: Pereira
          Will be elected to the Duma again.

          I was surprised when she flew in from Istanbul, she was not quarantined for 12 days. (There is a video of her return on YouTube).
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 26 January 2021 13: 40
          +1
          One slut already wanted to become Prospect, VVP did not mind - it would suit Russia with "Dom-3, 4, ... 22"
      3. frruc
        frruc 25 January 2021 19: 30
        +3
        All the garbage is again drawn into the country.
      4. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 26 January 2021 12: 27
        +1
        Judging by the photo, she's too shabby, it's not for her to sit in the State Duma ...
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 26 January 2021 13: 45
          0
          Wait a minute, it will catch your breath, it will soften in a 5-cube jacuzzi, and there a personal fitness trainer will make such a little lyalech out of it - you will immediately want it ... to see it in the presidential post laughing .
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 25 January 2021 17: 35
      +1
      And even through Istanbul I tried to enter on the sly
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 January 2021 17: 05
    +1
    Well, where the horse with the hoof goes, there is a vuk-riya with anti-Russian lamentations. ... negative
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 25 January 2021 17: 08
    +5
    PACE is exactly zero!
    1. major147
      major147 25 January 2021 17: 23
      +6
      Quote: Alien From
      PACE is exactly zero!

      Just a talking shop.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 26 January 2021 12: 29
        +1
        PACE looks like a district committee of the Komsomol. Talking house and balobols alone. I don't understand why we are still sitting there? ..
        1. major147
          major147 26 January 2021 17: 42
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          PACE looks like a district committee of the Komsomol. Talking house and balobols alone. I don't understand why we are still sitting there? ..

          Did you have to go to meetings in the district committee? I had to because need to! So it is with PACE.
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 26 January 2021 17: 46
            +1
            Of course I had to. On the Komsomol. By the way, the chairman of the school's Komsomol committee, a lively girl, was with us. And God did not offend with beauty. After the collapse of the union, she moved into confusion, into currency ... As the saying goes, on new shock objects,)
            1. major147
              major147 26 January 2021 17: 51
              0
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              Of course I had to. On the Komsomol.

              Similarly for the Komsomol. And already during the service, during the shuffling from one unit to another, I was "lost" by the way they got bored with their empty chatter!
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 26 January 2021 17: 55
                +1
                No, well, what a sin to conceal - I needed a Komsomol ticket so that after an urgent one, they took me to the institute. I won't say that everyone in the Komsomol was fools, but there were a lot of Saker Falcons bred there. And they loved to chat there. There is no doubt. And the very empty-headed ones were chatting. He closed his mouth - removed the workplace.)
                1. major147
                  major147 26 January 2021 18: 28
                  0
                  Sorry! Didn't leave for a long time for a gala dinner on the occasion of the 36th anniversary of my wife's marriage to me love
                  I was "lost" after my military service. On the "urgent" payment was 2 kopecks. and after that it is more significant. This did not affect correspondence studies in any way, and I did not plan to enter the CPSU.
    2. cniza
      cniza 25 January 2021 17: 30
      +6
      Quote: Alien From
      PACE is exactly zero!


      No, that's a minus ...
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 25 January 2021 18: 42
        +1
        I wonder what non-brothers pay for membership?)
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 January 2021 19: 01
          +2
          I'm afraid even to imagine, but how the same thing gets out ... lol
  7. faiver
    faiver 25 January 2021 17: 08
    +10
    What did Russia forget at this Sabbath, and not for free? The country has nowhere to go for money? So don’t let our politicians turn on the TV set - every single day we need money to treat children and disabled people
  8. Cananecat
    Cananecat 25 January 2021 17: 23
    +2
    Twice the overweight, is it strong or weak? Strong by voices, but by country?
    In any case, the idea of ​​compensation payments should be promoted. I wanted to clean up, be ready to pay dues for those you don't want to see.
  9. businessv
    businessv 25 January 2021 17: 23
    0
    After the Russians returned to PACE in 2019, Ukraine defiantly recalled its delegation and ambassador to the Council of Europe.
    Nezalezhnaya left to withdraw its associated membership in the EU, for a complete protest against Russia! To spite my mother, I'll frostbite my ears! Freaks.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 25 January 2021 17: 25
    0
    Ukraine tried to challenge the credentials of the Russian delegation to PACE

    Sometimes / often it is worth regretting that ours are still sitting there, and even the BABOSIKI pay for it.
  11. kit88
    kit88 25 January 2021 17: 28
    +12
    Don't you think that this is the unique case that happens once every hundred years when you need to listen to the opinion of the 404 deputies in PACE?
    What are we doing in this dovecote?
    To whom and what do we explain there?
    Some kind of masochism. It turns out, for our own money, they have us there.
  12. cniza
    cniza 25 January 2021 17: 29
    +7
    After the Russians returned to PACE in 2019, Ukraine defiantly recalled its delegation and ambassador to the Council of Europe.


    And then she returned on the sly, business trips and other delights ...
  13. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 25 January 2021 17: 33
    +4
    This congregation of mediocre idlers should have left immediately. However, our "patriots" are incapable of such a feat. Places that are grain, not dusty, and the fact that an insult is inflicted on the state, people, this is probably no longer taken for a trifle. Learn from Ukrainians to defend the interests of the state. The fact that they are biased, wrong, does not exempt us from the concept of honor and dignity of our state.
  14. Pragmat ...
    Pragmat ... 25 January 2021 18: 24
    +4
    Ludiiiiii, as much as possible about the same thing !!! At present, Russia is successfully sitting in PACE! Personally, I am against the useless waste of people's money, but this is the case and nothing else. And enough gossip!
  15. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 25 January 2021 20: 19
    0
    Lord ... I'm just drowning so that they can do it ..... well, how can you participate in some kind of shitty gathering that changed principles for grandmothers ???? Well, why are we in this gadyushnik then? then how we buy a tank for ourselves, then "it would be better if they gave it to pensioners" ...... but as to such a cubicle of political prostitutes, I don't hear calls to distribute these millions of euros to grandmothers
  16. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 25 January 2021 21: 56
    0
    Pase grazes because Russian law prevails over Gay European and Sumerian))
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 26 January 2021 01: 39
      0
      Where does it dominate?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 26 January 2021 14: 12
        +1
        Quote: Kronos
        Where does it dominate?

        Right among here))
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 25 January 2021 22: 06
    +1
    It looks like PACE more and more resembles a clinic of neuroses. Western parliamentarians themselves have made a latrine out of it, allowing them to settle scores
  18. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 26 January 2021 04: 40
    0
    It is joyful how - it is not clear what we are doing there and for what we are paying sickly people's money !!! ??? Assembly of talkers.
  19. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 26 January 2021 06: 56
    0
    And what are we doing there in this pass.
  20. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 26 January 2021 10: 23
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    at the same time, Russia stopped making contributions to PACE, which led to the suspension of many programs of the Council of Europe.

    And I read that they paid everything to a penny, including for years of inactivity. Are they lying? Who knows?


    before returning, closed the debt first