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The military term "lyadunka": meaning and history of origin

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Voennoe Obozreniye continues a cycle of small stories devoted to army terms, including those that were used in the army earlier, and then went out of use. The terms and stories their origin.


These terms include, for example, "lyadunka" - the word for the hearing of a modern person sounds somewhat specific. However, at one time this term was used quite actively. So what does it mean, and how, in fact, does the object that is described by this term look like?

It is customary to call a frog a bag or a box (box) intended for ammunition. The bag could be included in the uniform of a serviceman. By the way, a bag in the form of a special bag is used as the subject of a historical version of a full dress uniform in some divisions of the armies of the world today. Basically, we are talking about demonstration performances with a historical bias, or about units of the guard of honor in certain European countries, which, in principle, also personify to a greater extent the historical component.

In the Russian imperial army, the lyadunka was used in several versions, including depending on the historical period. So, in the middle of the XNUMXth century, the bag was a metal box with an opening lid. This version of this accessory, which is shown in the photo - a brass box - was typical mainly for military personnel of artillery units. Moreover, the presence of the coat of arms eagle on the bag testifies to its belonging to a representative of the officer corps.

Lyadunka, which is shown in the photo, is among the exhibits of the Voronezh Museum of Local Lore.



Now, actually, about where this word came from. "Lyadunka" is a Russified version of the German word "laden", which translates as "charge". Russian soldiers changed the German term in their own way. Moreover, initially in such bags or boxes as a "material" for loading weapons carried gunpowder. Then the content options changed, but the word remained. However, time ultimately did not spare him, and therefore today the military term "lyadunka" can be attributed to the military-historical.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 January 2021 06: 03
    +9
    It is customary to call a frog a bag or a box (box) intended for ammunition.
    Clear. Later - a bandolier. repeat
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 26 January 2021 08: 33
      +15
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Clear. Later - bandolier

      The cartridge belt is more likely for hunters, in the army they always called the pouch hi

      1. vladcub
        vladcub 26 January 2021 09: 50
        +7
        Top image is a rifle pouch.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 26 January 2021 10: 13
          +10
          Quote: vladcub
          Top image is a rifle pouch.

          Not only rifles, in my unit VOKHRs armed themselves with SCS and walked with such pouches, and the women of VOKHR had a "Nagant" from Tsarist times, stood at the checkpoint and received weapons only during exercises. yes
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 26 January 2021 14: 43
            +4
            1) actually a carbine is a shortened rifle.
            2) _pouch of a late sample. In my childhood I had a rifle pouch from the times of the Civil War and the beginning of WWII. It was divided into 2 parts. In the reference book Beetle: "Small arms" such are depicted. And the pouch in the top photo was adopted for service sometime after the war.
            More precisely they will be able to say: Vic, Nick, our encyclopedia, Nikolaevich, Kostya "cat" - our gunsmiths
            PS.
            We have as in: "Greece has everything" (c). Gunsmiths, herald master, "novokhronolozhtsy" ', propagandist historians
        2. Ua3qhp
          Ua3qhp 26 January 2021 13: 19
          +3
          And the lower one is for AKM.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 26 January 2021 10: 33
        +3
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        The cartridge belt is more likely for hunters, in the army they always called the pouch

        I agree, the "bandolier" from childhood remained.
      3. BAI
        BAI 26 January 2021 10: 52
        +12
        HOLLEY FOR HUNTING CARTRIDGES, BELGIUM

    2. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 26 January 2021 10: 22
      +6
      I never heard this word, as they say, even by 3 kopecks, but I grew wiser.
      By the way, the bandolier is also of German origin. The patron, of course, and tash comes from Tasche, i.e. a bag .
      1. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 26 January 2021 12: 02
        +8
        Then you can even remember the hussar tashka)
    3. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 26 January 2021 21: 33
      0
      The bandolier is like Hungarian
  2. Crowe
    Crowe 26 January 2021 06: 16
    +20
    Yeah. If I understood correctly, everyone here can write about the terms that have gone out of use ... Okay, then the lyadanka will be a very necessary thing in the charmitsel. Charmitsel - in the military terminology of the XNUMXth century - a fight, a skirmish, a shootout between small, isolated from troops by detachments, for example, patrols, pickets, parts of the vanguard. There was also a verb form - "charm", that is, take part in a skirmish. The word "charmitel" was borrowed from German (German Scharmützel - "charmutzel"), in turn , in German it came from Italian (Italian scaramuccia - fight, verbal skirmish.)
    in 1761 he was in the light corps under General Berg and was under Brig, during the battle of Breslavl with General Knobloch and various charmitels, at the battle near Strigau, at Gross and Klein-Vandris, where he led a wing and two thousand Russian troops.

    Autobiography of Suvorov A.V.
    “… Finally, having covered a good distance, we descended from this height along the road to Schengate, and settled down at him. Here, I remember, there was a small Sharmitsel on the mountain ”.

    Memoirs of Field Marshal Prince A. A. Prozorovsky
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 26 January 2021 12: 03
      +4
      O) "Eurozd of Sasha Prozorovsky") Or read it in the original? His memoirs were published not so long ago.
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 26 January 2021 06: 41
    +6
    ... "lyadunka" - the word for the ear of a modern person sounds somewhat specific.

    "Specifically" is for sure, but I would add that it is for the Russian ear. laughing
    As for the rest: there is a minimum of text, so at least some illustrations were added. Poor and sad.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 26 January 2021 06: 49
      +3
      Quote: Sea Cat
      As for the rest: there is a minimum of text, so at least the illustrations were added.

      In the illustration from Wikipedia, I suppose every reader can take a look for himself.

      Here in the text it is written about which museum the photo is from. And, "unfortunately", there is one similar exhibit. It would be possible, of course, to photograph this little bag from 10 different angles, but that would hardly suit you either ...

      Therefore, you, as a responsible reader, are expected to have a large number of your own photographic works on the topic of "lazy" and a voluminous research on the same topic - not to offer less than 2 volumes))

      Concerning claims:
      Voennoye Obozreniye continues the cycle small plots dedicated to army terms
      But this was the first sentence in the material from a large cycle, with which you, apparently, did not have time to get acquainted
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 26 January 2021 06: 55
        +5
        Do you think that it would be superfluous to place several drawings of soldiers in uniforms of different periods and with this very little bag? By the way, at the Voronezh Museum, the light did not converge like a wedge.
        ... but that would hardly suit you either ...

        Do not take on too much, you can overstrain.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 26 January 2021 07: 03
          +5
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Do not take on too much, you can overstrain.

          Likewise, buddy
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 26 January 2021 07: 12
            +2
            Likewise - what? Was it worth placing the drawings? wink
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 26 January 2021 07: 14
              +5
              Yes, you perfectly understood that ... wink And the drawings, of course, post if you are an artist
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 26 January 2021 07: 24
                +2
                There was a time, I was engaged in easel graphics, now, alas, my hands are not the same, but it takes a long time to download it from the network, the laptop is weak.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 26 January 2021 07: 33
                  +1
                  and how not to remember
                  Bag, lyadanka, mannerism, carriage - Mr. Lieutenant, kesuke-woo-fet? *

                  * Stolen. This is the favorite saying of our regimental doctor.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 26 January 2021 08: 13
                    0
                    "Everything was stolen before us!" (C) laughing
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 26 January 2021 08: 18
                +8
                I followed your advice, but it takes so long to load that you can become brutal.

                Form of Russian fusiliers of the early XNUMXth century.
                Lyadanka number 7.

                Hamsters are invited to put cons. laughing
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 26 January 2021 08: 30
                  -1
                  I do not consider myself a rodent, so I put a plus)
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 26 January 2021 08: 35
                    0
                    Thanks, friend, the same. drinks
                2. vladcub
                  vladcub 26 January 2021 08: 49
                  +1
                  Kostya, good morning. "Hamsters" haven't woken up yet
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 26 January 2021 09: 07
                    0
                    Glory, hello.
                    No, they never sleep, it's just that the pet store hasn't opened yet.
                    1. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 26 January 2021 09: 28
                      0
                      I would have preferred it not to open anymore, but hamsters need to eat too. Therefore, you will have to endure them
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 26 January 2021 08: 29
          +2
          Constantine, well said
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 26 January 2021 08: 36
            +4
            Thank you, Vera. smile love
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 26 January 2021 09: 33
              +4
              And thank you for the flowers
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 26 January 2021 08: 45
        +6
        "On an illustration from Wikipedia" in the place of the author, I would write: "the military term:" lyadunka ". For details and image, see Wikipedia"
      3. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 26 January 2021 09: 16
        +4
        With whom you "You reminded me of 1st grade. I could not understand when" you "should be with a capital letter, and when with a small letter.
        How I wanted to become an adult then, but now I remember school with such affection.
      4. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 26 January 2021 15: 11
        0
        Colleague Volodin, I prefer to read good-quality materials, and Vika "dives" when it is necessary to clarify. But the trouble is that "Russian Vika" is convinced. Already convinced
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 26 January 2021 08: 27
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Specifically "- that's for sure, but I would add that it is for the Russian ear.

      hi
      But this is a discovery, Konstantin! good Which radically changes the version of the origin of the word "lyadunka"

      It comes from the original Russian word "lyad", which means "devil", which is very suitable for the storage of very dangerous items, which is what the item was ..

      Or have you dug even deeper, right up to ..? recourse
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 26 January 2021 08: 40
        +5
        Or have you dug even deeper, right up to ..?

        Alas, sinful. smile
        But what about the devil, you have noticed it very well, I never thought about it when he himself said, "what a hell," and this turns out to be our horny friend. am Thank you. drinks
      2. Lynnot
        Lynnot 26 January 2021 08: 41
        +8
        In German, besides the verb laden, there is also a noun der Laden - shop. The box itself, which had to be carried on itself, was rather large, heavy and angular, for which, probably, she received many epithets. It is possible that the compilation of all these words resulted in a liar
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 26 January 2021 08: 45
        +3
        You can also think about the expression:
        "Why the hell she (he) surrendered to me!" laughing
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 January 2021 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: Sea Cat
      ... "lyadunka" - the word for the ear of a modern person sounds somewhat specific.

      "Specifically" is for sure, but I would add that it is for the Russian ear. laughing
      As for the rest: there is a minimum of text, so at least some illustrations were added. Poor and sad.

      For those who knew how to read in the best years of our country, this word is quite familiar. Here for a long time already, as in a school for the handicapped, they repeat what everyone knows from childhood. And at the same time they still manage to discuss it as news laughing Well, okay, I - after a fair dose of "ruff", I'm interested in everything, and the rest? Or am I not alone so oh laughing drinks
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 26 January 2021 18: 35
        -1
        For someone who knew how to read in the best years of our country

        I wonder which years do you mean? I did not live under the tsarist regime, the very tail of the Stalinist ones, and the Khrushchev-Brezhnev ones ... I don't think these were the best years for our country, although compared to the current lawlessness - of course. smile drinks
  4. Undecim
    Undecim 26 January 2021 08: 38
    +3
    Quote: Volodin
    In the illustration from Wikipedia, I suppose every reader can take a look for himself.

    Indeed, who needs extra scribbling.
    I suggest that articles on the site be composed of a title and a link to Wikipedia. And who claims more - google to help him.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 26 January 2021 09: 08
      +1
      Hello Victor. hi
      In vain you are so, and suddenly you like the idea. laughing
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 26 January 2021 09: 42
        +1
        Kostya, in this case, in FIG, I will go to the site. I think you are not interested either
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 26 January 2021 10: 01
          0
          , in this case, in FIG, I will go to the site.

          That's what I'm talking about, it's not Samsonov with Kharaluzhny to read. You can count good authors on the fingers of one hand.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 26 January 2021 14: 51
            -2
            This is the trouble. The site is getting poorer, both by authors and adequate. But before the fig of "patriotic hamsters" and gray authors
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 26 January 2021 15: 07
              -1
              Rodents reproduce at an amazing rate.
            2. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 26 January 2021 15: 08
              0
              This is the trouble. The site is getting poorer, both by authors and adequate. But before the fig of "patriotic hamsters" and gray authors

              Ayda Bubalik to read? drinks About submarines off the coast of Africa! good
              https://topwar.ru/179333-podvodnaja-vojna-u-beregov-juzhnoj-afriki-chast-2.html
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 26 January 2021 09: 38
      +2
      Vic. Nick, I suggested it myself
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 January 2021 16: 40
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      I suggest that articles on the site be composed of a title and a link to Wikipedia.

      Numbered anecdotes. © smile
  5. depressant
    depressant 26 January 2021 09: 45
    +5
    Good morning, colleagues!)))
    I looked at these pouches in Yandex. There are many of them. Some are made of leather, others are metal. The quality of the products is amazing. Now even handbags are not made so well. In many cases, glamor. There are emblems, coats of arms made of fine yellow metal, sometimes coats of arms with double-headed eagles. I would like someone from those present to place at least a few of these bags here, for general viewing.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 26 January 2021 09: 58
      +2
      Good morning, Lyudmila. love
      I'd love to, but I'm having problems downloading. request You better ask our Vic Nick, he will not refuse.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 26 January 2021 09: 59
      +5
      I would like someone from those present to place at least a few of these bags here, for general viewing.
      And you also need to write a normal article instead of the author, since the topic is much more interesting than in the wretched author's "cidulka".
      1. depressant
        depressant 26 January 2021 10: 37
        +4
        Well, don't do that, dear Viktor Nikolaevich!)))
        I understand you as an erudite person who responsibly approaches your comments, but for some reason it seems to me that the respected Author has given us the initiative, and we should be grateful to him for that. This is the type of interaction. In Yandex, there are only a thousand hussar pouches! Everyone who is able to reproduce them here on the site can choose several according to their own taste, and we will admire)))
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 26 January 2021 12: 07
          +5
          The author gave us the initiative, and we should be grateful to him for this.
          The author is a hack. He did not bother to look at least in Sytin's encyclopedia.
          As for the "German" version of the origin of the word lyadunka, it raises serious doubts.
          Let's start with the fact that the "Germans" call this item Patronentasche.

          This is a Prussian lyadanka from the seven-year war.
          Called Preußen Große patronentasche für Mannschaften Infanterie aus der Zeit des Siebenjährigen Krieges.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 26 January 2021 12: 11
            +7
            Secondly, the lyadanka existed in Russia long before the advent of firearms. Only she served to store wine. That's what it was called - a wine bottle. In form and structure, it did not differ in any way from the one in which they subsequently began to wear cartridges instead of wine and were worn in the same way.


            Therefore, the etymology of the word "lyadunka" is waiting for its harvester, and this is clearly not the hack of the VO site.
            1. depressant
              depressant 26 January 2021 12: 47
              +4
              Victor Nikolaevich, thank you very much! )))
              So we figured it out. It turns out that lyadanka is a purely Russian word.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 26 January 2021 13: 01
                +5
                It turns out that lyadanka is a purely Russian word.
                I'm not ready for any definite answer. The "German" version of the origin belongs, apparently, to A.N. Chudinov. On what it was based - I cannot say yet. The classics are sometimes wrong too.
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 27 January 2021 17: 25
              +2
              Only she served to store wine.

              I never doubted that we would have, but for storing something else! wink
              But seriously, everything is very interesting, thank you, Victor. drinks
    3. BAI
      BAI 26 January 2021 10: 44
      +5
      I would like someone from those present to place at least a few of these bags here, for general viewing.

      What are the problems?

      Yandex gives at least 2000 images.
      1. depressant
        depressant 26 January 2021 11: 16
        +7
        BAI colleague, this is a small image, not for my eyes)))
        And the question is: did not men's bags go from liadnoks - purses?
        1. BAI
          BAI 26 January 2021 13: 39
          +5
          All right.
          1. Bigger:




          2.
          And the question: did not men's bags go from liadnoks - bаgrids?

          A good topic was raised (sorry for the tautology):
          BARSET; BORESET, w. [ital. borsetta - handbag] A small bag for items needed by a business person during the working day.


          Comes from the French. boursette, bourse - wallet. There is an opinion that the etymology is different: "borsette" comes from the Italian borsetta - a handbag - and not from the French boursette, otherwise one would have to say "bursette".

          We have this word in the 90s, when imported, including Italian, leather goods began to appear in stores. Perhaps the sellers wrote on the price tags - "borsetta", and buyers (mostly new Russians) turned this word into "borsetta". But since the so-called reduction of vowels (change of sound in an unstressed position) is characteristic of the Russian language, we pronounce and hear "purse". Not knowing the origin of this word, many began to write it through A. This can be seen not only on the Internet, but even in print media.

          So, there are two spellings. Each word has its own destiny: the expected recording by means of transliteration (by letter) definitely did not work out in the difficult 90s, and what to do now? Need to find out the origin of the root: the word is Greek, Latin? And look for etymological relatives in the language. It turns out that there are relatives, this word "bursa" is the name of the hostel of theological seminaries (in Russian since 1803).

          Greek origin: from Polish. bursa (from the XNUMXth century) or German. Burse, which go back to the middle-lat. bursa, Greek. βύρσΒ̄ "bag", with the figurative meaning of "partnership". First, leather, hide, fur for wine, then a sack, a bag, then the hostel's cash desk and the hostel itself. Then the bursa is more likely to be a burset / broset, but not a purse.

          Why do we want to write "purse", because in our language there are many words with the root unstressed letter O, pronounced like A, for example "corset". (Corset - from French corset, from corps - body, the transliteration method works properly). Maybe it's the phonetics of the word? In two-syllable words, the letter O is easier to write, and an Italian bag could be called "borsa" (and only then a sweatshirt), distinguishing it at least from a leopard, but simply a "purse" with an obscure origin that cannot be confused with anything write down according to pronunciation, which was done in the 90s.

          Ergo: BURNET (BARNET) has nothing to do with the bag for cartridges (bag).
          1. depressant
            depressant 26 January 2021 15: 18
            +6
            Carefully, thanks! )))
            The pronunciation changes, they begin to write this way and that, and after twenty years, incorrect pronunciation and spelling become a literary language and are fixed in dictionaries, first as Newspeak, and then after some time the correct pronunciation and spelling go in dictionaries as (obsolete).
            Why did the topic interest me so much?
            Memories of early childhood. The family had a very beautiful shiny metal box with convex curly sides. I saw the little bags, and something began to emerge from long-term memory. It didn't look like a box. I played with that box. Then she disappeared somewhere. This is a strange essence of things, noticed by me long ago. If they are not controlled, they eventually disappear somewhere)))
  6. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 26 January 2021 16: 56
    +5
    As always, readers write the full version of the article in the comments.
    T is tradition. smile
    1. depressant
      depressant 26 January 2021 21: 53
      +3
      And you know, colleague, I would like to note something else. The tradition of making truly elegant, beautiful things is leaving. Presumably, many of these pouches were ordered by their owners personally to the master, and he, taking into account the wishes of the customer, reflected in each of his creations the taste and style of the future owner of the thing. And after all, everything was done with a high margin of safety, soundly and with great care, therefore these things have survived for many decades, and maybe centuries. Even those that were made from a template in series.
      1. Fat
        Fat 26 January 2021 22: 42
        +2
        hi Sincerely. I accept your point of view. But what kind of “just masters” we were after that. And where the hell out of the “pohrenovnitsa” should we pour if not on a flint shelf? It often seems to me that the main character trait of our person is benevolence - like your problems - I sympathize. (almost complete indifference) ... We can talk under half a liter of hours to convince a foreigner that living in Russia sucks. And then, when the drinking companion recognizes your innocence, fill his face with a sense of accomplishment. I took someone else's words. But their truth has been proven by the practice of DAS hostel laughing
        1. depressant
          depressant 26 January 2021 22: 54
          +2
          I had a chance to read this anecdote, had fun from the heart. But there remained doubt about its veracity. I lived among people who are now foreigners. And if in my presence one of them skated about the Russians, and, by the way, there was a reason, everything boiled in me, and I gave an angry and verbose rebuff, arguing how unworthy they were even to frown towards a Russian person. And even now - let them try! )))
          1. Fat
            Fat 26 January 2021 23: 18
            +2
            No Lyudmila Yakovlevna, this is not just an "anecdote". Practically it's a legend. Moreover, for the first time I heard this in it in V DAS from comrades from the GDR, they were talking about the FRG that way. They had the jubilee of the republic ... We passed by there. They dragged our company ... Eh! I’m never a Berlin radio announcer! But my father taught the basics of military translation, through the word I understand without knowing the language outside the profession, never. (Hmm .. I'm probably the only one in the family who doesn't know German properly)
            So ... And so it was! They thumped for the "holiday", then "scratching their faces" and peace to the peoples. laughing drinks
            1. depressant
              depressant 26 January 2021 23: 53
              +2
              Well, yes, scratching their faces ... You are a fighter, right? )))
              1. Fat
                Fat 27 January 2021 00: 04
                +2
                No. Common Frostbite Nerd wassat love
                1. Fat
                  Fat 27 January 2021 00: 26
                  +2
                  I remember my student days almost getting high. Never again was I given the opportunity to communicate with very intelligent people. I even saw Patriarch Pimen and photographed ... I usually "hung" in the dormitory of the Bauman Institute in the Izmailovo district. Already in the 2000s, in the dormitory of the Academy of Chemical Troops on Baumanskaya. Oh, how many wonderful discoveries the spirit of enlightenment prepared for us
                2. depressant
                  depressant 27 January 2021 00: 39
                  +2
                  Don't you dare talk like that about a Russian man, even if this man is yourself!
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 27 January 2021 01: 51
                    +2
                    I don't know how much I and my ancestors are Russian men. We lived and served Russia. Everywhere and always. I speak for myself and my sisters. We have a lot of relatives: Jews, Udmurts, Poles and Novgorodians are family and Russian from the root ... Tatars with the noble surname Arslan and those Greeks, where without them ... our, my dear people. My surname is old, Novgorod, but she is not "from the nobility". I was not offended. And I HAVE the right to speak. Especially about yourself. I am a Russian person and the right to comprehend about the Russianness of some is completely right. And I do not pretend to be self. Tall - over 180, gray-eyed, lung capacity + 25%, hair is light blond, almost gray, gray hair is not distinguishable. The mass is noticeable. Redneck, and nothing more. I fencing with sabers, but weak.
                    When they are rude - I am not ashamed if they got it.
                    I think - I have the right to the authority of the Russian man.
                    1. vladcub
                      vladcub 27 January 2021 07: 39
                      +4
                      I think you are not very often rude. In our village there was a man who was about 70 years old, but the young men preferred not to hook him very much. Do you know it is harmful to health
                      1. Fat
                        Fat 27 January 2021 16: 15
                        +2
                        I understand. Reasonable.
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 27 January 2021 17: 27
                      +1
                      Hi Andrew. hi
                      The same thing - so much is mixed up that I'm not going to figure it out. laughing
                      1. Fat
                        Fat 27 January 2021 17: 48
                        +2
                        Right. Konstantin. Previously, the Soviet people would have said. Now, do not hesitate - yes. Russian people. Surprisingly, some differences are not perceived. Russian - I feel that way and live with it. I accept any culture. I have one sculptor friend - an Uzbek. Miracle - images and thinking and the plastic of works.
                        We sort of went overboard because of his new contract. I told him - you are a Russian person. And he answered intelligently. Russianness is a complex of diverse traditions.
                        You give from the heart, you are glad to accept all good things. Therefore, I work here ...
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 27 January 2021 18: 56
                        +3
                        That's right, I agree with everything. It's funny that Stalin never called himself a Georgian, but said - "We, Russians." He was a smart man, no matter how scolded he was.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 27 January 2021 07: 23
            +2
            "How interesting people live" (c)
            Your whole family is "Germans"?
            1. depressant
              depressant 27 January 2021 09: 32
              +2
              Colleagues, in my opinion, you both have a bad humor ... You - what, did not understand that I was joking?!? That the meaning of my statement boiled down to the fact that a Russian man should not speak derogatoryly about himself? After all, it was about communicating with foreigners, and Tolstoy's self-criticism arose from this communication. This is when the interlocutors clearly position themselves by nationality: I am German (although I may be partly French and Dane), and I am Russian (although I may be Chuvash or Udmurt with Russian in equal shares). As if I have not mixed. Do not take me so primitively as an interlocutor. I was a little amused, and you both chilled me. It's sad.
              Nude ...
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 27 January 2021 12: 31
                +3
                Alas, we are not as sophisticated as women
              2. Fat
                Fat 27 January 2021 16: 36
                +2
                Thank you! But I understood everything at once. I just "filled my veins with redneck", like the topic laughing love Did you really fall for it? I expected. Sorry the ass crying love
            2. Fat
              Fat 27 January 2021 16: 30
              +3
              Yes. My dad influenced the girls and my sisters. And I took it and went to the English group. Ridiculously, at the end of school, I received 2 certificates of commendation for the certificate. "for success in mastering the English language and physical education" they mocked slightly. Pedagogical Council and Nikolai Alexandrovich (director) personally. I graduated from the math class quite successfully elective - mechanized processing of economic information (MOEI department, then still IMI) We lived extremely interestingly. Perhaps this is the "piece of happiness" yes
  • Fat
    Fat 26 January 2021 22: 24
    +1
    As I said, One of my acquaintances, a member of the Soz of Artists, an art teacher, during the lessons of "art history" Brevity is not always the sister of talent No. good note, thanks.
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 26 January 2021 23: 51
    +3
    Maybe I should have started with Powderbox и Mat
    powder flask of horn
    Powder flask 19th century.
    powder flask 17th century
    Powder flask 17th century.
    powder flask
    Powder flask.
    powder flask
    Powder flask with a dispenser to pour the powder in moderation at once. In Russia, powder flasks were also called NATRUSKI. soldier
    1. depressant
      depressant 27 January 2021 00: 25
      +3
      Luxurious items! How people loved life)))
      You hang this on the wall, and it is a decoration.
      1. Fat
        Fat 27 January 2021 00: 59
        +2
        Oh, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Things are utilitarian, but who thought that you need to keep? Great-grandfather finished his service in the guard (Semenovsky EMNIP) and resigned with privileges. A reception was organized in the Vyatka province. Macheshour! And the big brother's guns and pokrenovnitsy and a Berdan and a three-barreled pistol ... Oh, there are a lot of us the Soviet power inn. The family moved to Izhevsk, leaving everything behind. All brothers have occupied their niche. Gunsmiths ... The elder sister has a powder horn in the collection, our family. I don't even know - or a deer ... in short, a horn ...
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  • Fat
    Fat 27 January 2021 03: 28
    +1
    Uncover the author! I recognize a person by the style of presentation and brevity. Our school Children's Art School 1, Izhevsk.
    Glad to be wrong. Our style. Briefly and clearly. No details.