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In India: More and more countries are interested in our Tejas fighter

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The delivery of Tejas light combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force under a Rs 480 billion (about $ 6,5 billion) contract will begin in March 2024. Until the total delivery of 83 units of this equipment is completed, 16 fighters will be produced annually.


The head of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) R. Madhavan spoke about this in an interview with the Indian news agency PTI.

He also said that more and more countries are interested in the Tejas fighter jet produced in India. The head of the aircraft company suggested that the first export order is likely to come in the next couple of years. However, he did not say which country is ready to make such an order.

Madhavan noted that the Tejas MK-1A aircraft outperforms the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 in its operational characteristics, as it has the best engine, radar system and electronic warfare, as well as other technological advantages. The head of HAL called the possibility of refueling in the air the greatest advantage over the competitor's aircraft.

Madhavan noted that the aircraft will be priced at Rs 3,1 billion ($ 42,3 million) for the fighter jet and Rs 2,8 billion ($ 38,3 million) for the trainer.

The price is not high, but it suits us.

- noted the head of HAL.

It is assumed that in the next five years, the Indian armed forces will spend on the purchase of weapons $ 130 billion.
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  1. kristofer
    kristofer 25 January 2021 15: 26
    +4
    Hopes of young men feed
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 25 January 2021 15: 30
      +3
      Why is it so skeptical? The road will be mastered by the walker, but before that we flew our single-engine MiG-21s. Now they have made Tejas, and we very shortsightedly did not create our light single-engine fighter in time - they decided to actually give the most popular niche in the world to competitors, although the same JF-17 Thunder flies on our engines.
      .Tejas was developed to replace the Soviet MiG-21 fighters, which have been in service with the Indian Air Force since 1963. In total, it is planned to build about 200 fighters for the Indian Air Force, as well as 20 two-seat training aircraft. In addition, Hindustan Aeronautics is developing a deck version of the Tejas for the Indian Navy.

      The Tejas fighter is 13,2 m long, has a wingspan of 8,2 m, and a height of 4,4 m.An empty plane weighs 5,5 tons, its maximum take-off weight is 15,5 tons. The aircraft is armed with a 23-mm double-barreled GSh cannon -23 and has 8 points of attachment for bombs, missiles and auxiliary equipment.

      https://warspot.ru/18772-indiya-rasshiryaet-proizvodstvo-istrebitelya-tejas
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 25 January 2021 15: 33
        -1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        , and we very shortsightedly did not create our light single-engine fighter in time, the most demanded niche in the world

        can you explain the course of your thoughts?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 January 2021 15: 36
          +6
          Quote: NEOZ
          can you explain the course of your thoughts?

          What is there to explain? See the most massive 4th generation fighter. This is F-16.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 13
            -1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            See the most massive 4th generation fighter. This is F-16.

            and what?
            this fact does not mean anything at all !!!
            Andrey, this answer is not like you ... usually, you argue your position ...
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 25 January 2021 17: 13
            -2
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            What is there to explain? See the most massive 4th generation fighter. This is F-16.

            Unlike the F-15, which is considered "exclusive" (and also quite expensive), the lightweight LWF was initially perceived as a massive export product. Even before the selection of the winner, four NATO countries - Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway - announced their intention to acquire the fighter.
            The main advantage of the F-16, which always helped it in export promotion, was the status of "the cheapest American fighter", which for many countries made it almost automatic selection for political reasons.
            those. F16 is a replacement for F5teiger !!!
            a couple more numbers:
            The F-16 is also a fourth generation fighter. The cost is approximately $ 34 million (as of 2012).
            as the manufacturers of the MiG35 modification are positioning - it is a "4 ++" generation fighter, with an estimated cost of $ 22 million (2012).
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 January 2021 21: 45
              +5
              "F-16 is also a fourth generation fighter" ///
              ----
              The last two Blocks F-16: also 4 ++.
              Up-to-date, as on the last F-16 units, avionics only on the F-35 and Rafale.
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 January 2021 07: 35
              +2
              Quote: NEOZ
              this fact does not mean anything at all !!!

              He speaks about the demand for the aircraft of this scheme.
              Quote: NEOZ
              The main advantage of the F-16, which has always helped him in export promotion, was the status of "the cheapest American fighter", which for many countries made him an almost automatic choice for political reasons.

              In general, it is. But in the phrase "the cheapest American fighter jet" you stress the word "American", and I emphasize the words "the cheapest".
              In fact, everything is very simple. Modern aviation is stunned as expensive, so the cheapest, but at the same time, modern aircraft will be in great demand. And these are just single-engine light multifunctional fighters.
              Quote: NEOZ
              as the manufacturers of the MiG35 modification are positioning - it is a "4 ++" generation fighter, with an estimated cost of $ 22 million (2012).

              That is why in 2010 the cost of the contract for 29 MiG-29K amounted to 1,5 billion dollars.
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 27 January 2021 12: 51
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                He speaks about the demand for the aircraft of this scheme.

                of course not!!!!
                ATS countries armed themselves with MIG29 in the same way as NATO countries armed themselves with F16.
                in other words, which front-line aircraft was given by the leading countries (USSR / USA), this was adopted for service (F5 tiger, by the way, is a twin-engine).
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                You stress the word "American" and I stress the words "cheapest."

                F16 is not the cheapest fighter !!!!!
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 January 2021 14: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  ATS countries were armed with MIG29 in the same way as NATO countries were armed with F16

                  Конечно.
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  in other words, which front-line aircraft was given by the leading countries (USSR / USA), this was adopted

                  not quite so, although very close to that.
                  Here's the deal. When it comes to blocs of technically advanced states, which, nevertheless, cannot afford the luxury of having fighters of two classes (light and heavy) in their air forces, they prefer twin-engine models of multifunctional fighters. This applies both to Europe, which put on the stream "Typhoons", and to France, with its "Raphael".
                  However, this market is extremely limited and practically inaccessible for us. And for the United States, in general, too, although they are now pushing the F-35 as the main aircraft of the air forces of NATO countries, of course. But more recently it turned out like this.
                  The most powerful countries in Europe are Italy, France, Germany, England, etc. flew on their own twin-engine planes (typhoon, rafal), and single-engine planes took countries in a lower class. These are the Swedes with their Gripen, and Turkey / Belgium / Greece / Denmark / Norway, etc. - F-16. That is, the recommender countries had quite a choice - they could easily join the program of the same Typhoon, and the United States would not have told them anything, but did not do it.
                  At the same time, European developments were in little demand in the rest of the world. Only relatively wealthy (and technologically insignificant) countries like the UAE take them. But the F-16s are rowed by countries that are not in any special blocs, but are trying to have viable air forces - all sorts of Thailand, Chile, Morocco, etc. etc.
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  F16 is not the cheapest fighter !!!!!

                  Without a doubt. But here you need to take into account, in addition to the initial price for, in fact, the product, also the cost of the product's life cycle. And it is, in theory, higher in a twin-engine aircraft.
                  At the same time, it does not surprise me at all, for example, that the MiG-29 lost to the F-16 in competition. Our aircraft initially required much more maintenance (F-16 EMNIP is either 25, or 30 hours per hour of flight. MiG-29 of the first series - up to 80 hours), and after the collapse of the USSR, the quality of the aircraft also began to deteriorate. Yes, and the avionics of the MiG (even the 35th) are losing today to the last "blocks" of the F-16
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 25 January 2021 15: 39
          +2
          In due time Min. The defense of the Russian Federation refused to simultaneously create the PAK FA and LMI (light multifunctional fighter), focusing on the PAK FA, as a result, time wasted, the traditional markets for light fighters as a result of that decision we are already starting to lose, even in favor of India and Pakistan. This is the price of a wrong decision. And the competitors did not doze.
          1. A.K.
            A.K. 25 January 2021 16: 04
            +4
            Yes, just not min. The defense is to blame, and our economy was already very much dozing at that time for this and they chose one thing.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 25 January 2021 16: 09
              -3
              Quote: A.K.
              Yes, just not min. The defense is to blame, and our economy was already very much dozing at that time for this and they chose one thing.

              It was possible to simultaneously create both machines, unifying them to the maximum, primarily in terms of engines (like the F-15 and F-16, which have the same engine), on-board radar and avionics. Again, based on the fuselage materials.
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                  1. ioan-e
                    ioan-e 25 January 2021 17: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: OrangeBigg
                    In the XNUMXs, oil grew by leaps and bounds.

                    And remember where these extra incomes Kudrin shoved? That's right, into the pillow! Now, in fact, much more money is spent on infrastructure projects and even more on the rearmament of the army. Previously, they were very well buried in a military mortgage, building houses on wastelands near St. Petersburg and Voronezh. As for the developments, it was not for nothing that Stouretkin wanted to buy leopards, again they bought how many "lynxes" these damn things were, and they planned to put the foreign development into production.
              2. NEOZ
                NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 39
                -1
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                It was possible to simultaneously create both machines, unifying them to the maximum, primarily in terms of engines.

                what for? unclear....
            2. lis-ik
              lis-ik 25 January 2021 18: 03
              +1
              Quote: A.K.
              Yes, just not min. The defense is to blame, and our economy was already very much dozing at that time for this and they chose one thing.

              He still won't wake up.
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 13
            -3
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            This is the price of a wrong decision.

            what is the price? not entirely clear, explain.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 25 January 2021 16: 16
              0
              We are losing traditional sales markets for light fighters in favor of India and Pakistan. The example of Azerbaijan is indicative. The single-engine JF-17 Thunder was chosen over the medium twin-engine MiG-35.
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 27
                -5
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                We are losing traditional sales markets for light fighters

                what markets have we lost?
                ps
                in my opinion, there is no market for light fighters ...
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                The example of Azerbaijan is indicative.

                how much did you buy?
                what other countries bought ZhF17?
                what engine does ZhF17 have?
                can you voice the light fighter importing countries (independent in decision making)?
                can you tell us the annual turnover of the light fighter market?
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 25 January 2021 16: 38
                  +1
                  ... in my opinion, there is no market for light fighters ...


                  ... can you tell us the annual turnover of the light fighter market?

                  Contradict yourself. If there is no market, then how can one announce the annual turnover of something that does not exist?

                  .MOSCOW, December 18. / TASS /. Combat aircraft manufactured by Sukhoi Company (part of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) as part of the Rostec state corporation) and RAC MiG (part of the UAC) will occupy 10% of the global fighter aircraft market in 2021-2025. in the forecast for the development of the military aircraft market, compiled by the leading specialized magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology and available to TASS.

                  According to the study, the total volume of the world fighter market in 2021-2025 will amount to $ 162,8 billion. The share of Sukhoi products will account for 9% ($ 15,2 billion), RSK MiG - 1% ($ 2,1 billion ). In terms of financial indicators, Sukhoi will only be ahead of the American companies Boeing and Lockheed Martin with 10% ($ 16,4 billion) and 48% ($ 77,8 billion), respectively.

                  According to the magazine, 2021 Su fighters will be produced in 2025-218, which will account for 11% of the global production of fighter aircraft. According to this indicator, the Russian company can be second only to Lockheed Martin (45%, 937 aircraft). Aviation Week & Space Technology expects RSK MiG to produce 43 combat aircraft, which will account for 2% of the total world fighter production in the specified period.


                  https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10290043
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: OrangeBigg
                    Contradict yourself.

                    there are no contradictions at all!
                    1st quote is a statement, my position.
                    2nd quote is a QUESTION !!!!!! the answer to which will either confirm my statement or refute !!!! You think there is a market! then you are basing your conclusion on something, respectively, I want to know what you are based on !!!
                    1. Orange bigg
                      Orange bigg 25 January 2021 16: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      Quote: OrangeBigg
                      Contradict yourself.

                      there are no contradictions at all!
                      1st quote is a statement, my position.
                      2nd quote is a QUESTION !!!!!! the answer to which will either confirm my statement or refute !!!! You think there is a market! then you are basing your conclusion on something, respectively, I want to know what you are based on !!!


                      Please. Look at the market. True, there is only a market for Western fighters, but nonetheless.
                      ... The spike in fighter jets in 2020 will revive decades-old models that seemed to be either phased out or out of use not too long ago, and will spur investment in new longer-range weapons, offensive electronic warfare, seamless communications, improved sensors and other new capabilities. The long-suppressed call to replace aging fighters around the world is gaining momentum. And the overall level of defense spending continues to rise. The global fighter jet market will flourish in 2020.



                      Fighter shipments in the West: 2020-2029. Aviation Week Network predicts that 3206 new fighters will be built and delivered over the next decade. aviationweek.com

                      Even more impressive, growth is expected to accelerate in 2021, even as the growth rate of the F-35 program is starting to slow, with the single-engine fighter family's share in the western market dropping to 57% in 2021 from 65% in 2020. Boeing's share of the total fighter jet market will grow to 19% in 2021 from 12% in 2020 as the US Air Force resumes deliveries of the F-15EX and the Navy receives the first F / A-18E / F IIIs. For the first time in almost three decades, the market is gaining momentum, and production is increasing. This has changed since 2017, especially as the largest player in the market, the Lockheed Martin F-35, began a steep climb to full performance in 2023.

                      Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/mirovoj-rynok-istrebitelej-v-2020-godu.html
                      naukatehnika.com
                2. donavi49
                  donavi49 25 January 2021 17: 11
                  +7
                  what markets have we lost?
                  ps
                  in my opinion, there is no market for light fighters ...


                  Iraq. He originally bought only 1 capacity. Russia has nothing to offer - that's why they bought in Korea, Czech Republic from what they found in the United States. -24 cars. If you take only Koreans.


                  Sudan and Kabmoja bought -12 aircraft from China


                  Myanmar - 16 JF-17 aircraft


                  Tanzania -12 super-Balalaikas with new radar, glass cockpit and missiles.
                  Nigeria - 12 SuperBalalaikas
                  Namibia - 8 SuperBalalaikas
                  Bangladesh - 16 SuperBalalaikas
                  These are deliveries after the 10s. That is, the freshest.


                  It was also possible to impose complex competitions on the same Grippen in South Africa, Tae, Brazil. I also took out the F-16 and all NATO-clear vassals of the United States. I also took out of the brackets various realizable contracts, without 100% proofs - for example, to Nigeria JF-17 it is not yet clear how much and whether there are real deliveries. Just in 5 minutes I assembled 100 single-engine supersonic fighters / MFIs delivered in the 10s + years wink .
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 27 January 2021 13: 24
                    0
                    Quote: donavi49
                    Just in 5 minutes I assembled 100 single-engine supersonic fighters / MFIs delivered in the 10s + years.

                    thanks for the work you've done!
                    I would remove half of the countries from the list. I think their purchases are politically motivated ...
                    total 50 boards in 10 years ...
                    ps
                    Let's assume that a decision has been made to design and mass produce the Sukhoi S-54.
                    I think that R&D, as well as the launch into mass production, would not have paid off with a market of 5 boards per year !!!!
                    moreover, it would draw away financial / production / scientific resources, etc.
                    conclusion: the production of C54 would undermine the military and financial power of the Russian Federation.
          3. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 47
            0
            Forces are simply not enough for two fighters at the same time ...... Now the turbojet engine (Product 30) is at the exit, there are avionics, composites have been mastered. Ammunition has been created, It's time to do LFMS. With maximum unification with Su57.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 27 January 2021 13: 26
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              It's time to do LFMS. With maximum unification with Su57.

              propose to forget MIG35 and abandon the production of RD33?
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 27 January 2021 15: 24
                0
                If we turn to the examples ... of our enemies and look at where competitors are exploited, we will see an AUG ... a carrier fighter.
                I don't propose to forget. Mig35 should be done until 4 ++ are scrapped. I'm talking about the new Lfms
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 27 January 2021 15: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  I'm talking about the new Lfms

                  he will compete with MIG35 !!!!!
                  repeat history with T72 / T64 / T80 !!!!!
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 27 January 2021 15: 40
                    0
                    No ... until it is developed, it will take 10-15 years ...
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 27 January 2021 15: 52
                      0
                      Ф16 produced from 1978 - up to now.
                      Ф15 produced from 1976 - up to now.
                      mig29 produced from 1982 - up to now
                      10-15 years will not solve anything ...
                      1. yehat2
                        yehat2 27 January 2021 15: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        10-15 years will not solve anything ...

                        it was clearer to bring phantoms - they have been flying for more than half a century
                        they still earn extra money in Japan as interceptors.
                      2. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 27 January 2021 16: 11
                        0
                        Quote: yehat2
                        it was clearer to bring phantoms

                        phantoms out of production ...
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 25 January 2021 17: 25
        -1
        and you don't even need to explain it, just refer to the sales of f-5 and f-16
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 27 January 2021 15: 24
          0
          And compare with F18
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 27 January 2021 15: 32
            +1
            what for? F-18, although an extremely reliable car, does not pull at a cheap alya MIG-21.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 27 January 2021 15: 40
              0
              For comparison, which more were made and sold
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 27 January 2021 15: 42
                +1
                f-16 sales record holder.
                what is the point to compare with the f-18?
                In addition, unlike the f-18, which was produced mainly in shock modification,
                the f-16 had just a lot of modifications, which is also important, because reflects demand.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 January 2021 15: 38
      +5
      I do not believe !!!
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Why is it so skeptical? The road will be mastered by walking ..... Now they have made Tejas

      Of course it will, and I do not doubt their stubbornness, but now they did it is a story of more than three decades. I sincerely doubt Tejas has advantages over KA-50, JF-17 ...
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 25 January 2021 16: 01
        -1
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        I do not believe !!!
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Why is it so skeptical? The road will be mastered by walking ..... Now they have made Tejas

        Of course it will, and I do not doubt their stubbornness, but now they did it is a story of more than three decades. I sincerely doubt Tejas has advantages over KA-50, JF-17 ...



        And how is it worse than the same JF-17 THUNDER? What are your doubts based on?




        ... The Indian aviation development agency ADA (Aeronautical Development Agency) at Aero India 2019 presented a model of a medium fighter (MWF) developed in conjunction with HAL, which received the designation Tejas Mk.2 MWF (Medium Weight Fighter)


        According to Jane's Defense Weekly, Tejas Mk.2 is planned to be delivered to the Indian Air Force in the future to fill the gap in medium multi-role fighters and replace the Mirage-2000 in service.

        The Tejas Mk.2 MWF is an enhanced version of the LCA Tejas light combat aircraft. The modification includes an increased length of up to 14,6 m and an extended wing span of up to 8,5 m (for the LCA 13 and 8,2 m, respectively) to expand the possibilities for transporting the payload. The aircraft has a delta wing, two nose rudders, which help to reduce drag at almost all angles of attack.

        The aircraft will have a maximum take-off weight of 17,5 tonnes and a payload of 6,5 tonnes. The fighter will be powered by a GE-F414-INS6 electronically controlled engine (FADEC) with a higher thrust developed by General Electric. Tejas Mk.2 will also receive an infrared search and track system (IRST), a missile attack warning system (MAWS) and an electronically scanned active antenna array radar (AESA). The aircraft will be able to use long-range missiles and heavy precision guided munitions (PGM) as weapons.



        ADA has been showing various models of the modified version of the LCA since 2011. The latest design was frozen in November 2018. According to a representative of the agency, the developers have learned "valuable experience" from the Tejas Mk.1 / 1A program and expect to keep within the timeline of the Tejas Mk.2 MWF development schedule. According to ADA plans, flight tests "Tejas" Mk.2 MWF should begin in 2023, and its introduction into service is scheduled for 2024-2025.

        https://raigap.livejournal.com/846169.html
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 25 January 2021 16: 38
          +6
          They began to develop it when I was finishing school, and this year it is the thirtieth anniversary of my graduation from the school. Let's be honest: for all the problems of the Chinese, they learn very quickly and quickly implement
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 50
          +1
          It is worse only in that FT-17 already flies in large numbers, is more expensive, and has many restrictive "But" when exporting. By the way, there was news in the press that the RD-33 (93) is now either seriously modernized, or a new turbojet engine is being made on its basis
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 26 January 2021 09: 54
            0
            Quote: Zaurbek
            It is worse only in that FT-17 already flies in large numbers, is more expensive, and has many restrictive "But" when exporting. By the way, there was news in the press that the RD-33 (93) is now either seriously modernized, or a new turbojet engine is being made on its basis

            Trials of the RD-93MA with increased thrust will soon begin for the new JF-17 THUNDER modification. Already made the engine in metal. At the end of last year, there was infa on the site.
    3. Machito
      Machito 25 January 2021 15: 41
      +1
      I agree. The road will be mastered by the walking one.
      But the dreamers of Hindu ecylopes with gravicaps are Hindu fantasies. India has lagged an order of magnitude behind China in the production of modern weapons due to the refusal to follow in the wake of the Russian weapons school and multi-vector throwing.
      How many wolves do not feed, but the bear still has more.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 25 January 2021 17: 30
        +1
        Indians have not fantasies, but banal internal squabbles.
        Their army men very clearly and competently articulate what they need, when, how much and of what quality.
        The adventures begin later, when real money comes up. Lobbyism, PR and other nonsense begin, which ultimately turns the entire military-industrial complex of India into chaos
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: kristofer
    Hopes of young men feed

    Yes, a normal business plan, they will buy! The world is full of lovers of Indian exoticism: "This is a magnet from the Taj Mahal, here in the photo we are with a yogi, and in our yard we have Tejas, only his peacocks crumpled")))
  • alekc75
    alekc75 25 January 2021 15: 29
    0
    delirium or fantasy?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 January 2021 15: 37
      +4
      Quote: alekc75
      delirium or fantasy?

      Neither one nor the other. Buyers, oddly enough, can be found
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 25 January 2021 16: 06
        +2
        India can and will be able to create an affordable 4-generation LPI. But it is very unlikely to create an aircraft with one engine of the 5th generation of the F-35 type. A very complex avionics. This will require huge financial investments in R&D.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 21
          +2
          Quote: Pechkin
          India can and will be able to create an affordable 4-generation LPI.

          Tejas TTX fighter of the 3rd generation ...
        2. Quadro
          Quadro 25 January 2021 16: 50
          -4
          Quote: Pechkin
          India can and will be able to create an affordable 4-generation LPI. But it is very unlikely to create an aircraft with one engine of the 5th generation of the F-35 type. A very complex avionics. This will require huge financial investments in R&D.

          And since when is F35 5th generation? Amers' nonsense does not count. He can't even cruise supersonic.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 25 January 2021 17: 08
        +5
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Neither one nor the other. Buyers, oddly enough, can be found

        both.
        Tejas won't have any significant buyers !!!
        there is simply no reason for this !!!
        1.the tejas is not ready in series
        2.Tejas according to performance characteristics is a 3rd generation fighter
        3. Tejas has a foreign engine, i.e. export must be authorized by the dvigla seller.
        4. India has no influence over countries able to buy a new fighter
        1. Pechkin
          Pechkin 25 January 2021 17: 15
          +1
          Here you are right, Tejase has imported engines. And from General Electric, so export is impossible without US permission.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 January 2021 07: 24
          0
          Quote: NEOZ
          1.the tejas is not ready in series

          But it is being produced. The first batch of 16 aircraft was completed in 2019.
          Quote: NEOZ
          2.Tejas according to performance characteristics is a 3rd generation fighter

          Which, nevertheless, is quite enough for a number of third world countries
          Quote: NEOZ
          Tejas has a foreign engine, i.e. export must be authorized by the dvigla seller.

          It is highly doubtful that the United States would object to this.
          Quote: NEOZ
          4. India has no influence over countries able to buy a new fighter

          This is not required.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 27 January 2021 13: 57
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            It is highly doubtful that the United States would object to this.

            even to Cuba? to Iran? in the DPRK? to Venezuela? to Mexico? to Panama? in Nicaragua? to Argentina?
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Which, nevertheless, is quite enough for a number of third world countries

            the history of ZhF-17 suggests otherwise ...
            ps
            I'm sure Tejas will not be exported from the word "not at all".
            What is your forecast for Tejas over the next 10 years?
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 25 January 2021 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Buyers, oddly enough, can be found

        Well ..... found. And the United States will refuse engines, for the S-400 or something else it requires. And where the export will be, they will not do it.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 51
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          Well, they can seriously shit ....... and limit exports.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 January 2021 15: 29
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    Are the Chinese interested, or the United States? lol After all, the plane is of minus 9, lol the inhabitants of the Comoros, or the cannibals of the Amazon, never dreamed of such a plane! wassat
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 25 January 2021 15: 42
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Are the Chinese interested, or the United States? lol After all, the plane is of minus 9, lol the inhabitants of the Comoros, or the cannibals of the Amazon, never dreamed of such a plane! wassat


      There are options. You shouldn't laugh at China 30 years ago, too, everyone laughed, until it turned into today's world industrial factory.
      Defense News reports that foreign buyers are showing interest in the Indian light fighter Tejas, primarily Sri Lanka and Egypt.


      Note that if Egypt ordered 24 French Rafale fighters last year, neighboring Sri Lanka refused to purchase an analogue of Tejas - the JF-17 fighter, which is a Chinese export product assembled in Pakistan.

      https://vpk.name/news/153924_jf-17_vs_tejas_bitva_sovetskih_tehnologii_v_indostane.html
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 25 January 2021 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Are the Chinese interested, or the USA?

      America stops production of F-16s, switches to the purchase of Indian aircraft.
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      You shouldn't laugh at China 30 years ago, too, everyone laughed, until it turned into today's world industrial factory.

      China's fate does not threaten India. They dance too much. And the Chinese "industrial factory" is a bit different from the Chinese "military-industrial complex". It's easier to spank consumer goods than planes. Something in the world I did not notice the queue for Chinese weapons. Is that for the "Kalash" Chinese stamping - performance characteristics and quality we will leave aside, quality too - but they are cheaper. That is the secret of attractiveness - to steal Soviet, to make a copy and sell it twice as cheap. Where is the queue for CHINESE weapons?
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 25 January 2021 17: 43
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Something in the world I did not notice the queue for Chinese weapons.


        Have you even opened your eyes? https://topwar.ru/179302-rastuschaja-oboronka-kitaja-ugrozhaet-dohodam-rossii.html
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 25 January 2021 18: 39
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          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Something in the world I did not notice the queue for Chinese weapons.

          Have you even opened your eyes? https://topwar.ru/179302-rastuschaja-oboronka-kitaja-ugrozhaet-dohodam-rossii.html

          I opened my eyes, even though my eyes do not scream before you and far away.
          By the link you provided to the article VO
          Shenyang WS-10 was developed based on French-American aircraft engine CFM56 and copying from Russian AL-31F.

          Chengdu J-20 has a large number of similar and completely copied elements from the Russian, and did not complete the test, MiG 1.44 and American fifth generation fighters F-22 and F-35


          Where is the Chinese?
          Copier country ...
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 25 January 2021 18: 52
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Where is the Chinese?


            Here:


            four Chinese defense companies were among the 25 largest global arms manufacturers in 2019, of which 3 were in the top 10, accounting for 16% of total sales, and profits exceeded $ 56,7 billion. Russia lost its positions, and only two Russian defense companies were able to enter the top 25, earning only $ 13,9 billion.


            Take a close look at the numbers.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 January 2021 15: 31
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    They say Vuk -riya ordered 300 planes - "at the expense of the sending side" that is, the Indians themselves. .. wassat
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 50
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      Quote: Thrifty
      They say wuk -riya ordered 300 planes

      lie ..... waiting for the year 20XX used F16 or grippin ...
  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 25 January 2021 15: 36
    +1
    India's neighbors have similar aircraft, both American-made and Soviet / Russian. In the absence of another national aircraft, for which (like Erdogan for drones) there is no dependence on the supply of components, except for the engine, it is in any case better than having a motley fleet of combat aircraft of different brands and types. However, the presence of such neighbors as China and Pakistan, which do not like India, forces the latter to arm itself. But, something, in a collision with Pakistan in 19, where a Pakistani fighter was shot down, a MiG-21 was used, not their national aircraft. In the same year, India's SU-30 was shot down by a Pakistani drone.
    Conclusion: Although Tejas is a massive national aircraft, India prefers to compete with its neighbors and enemies with the technology of foreign countries.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 25 January 2021 16: 43
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      Quote: mojohed2012
      Tejas albeit a massive national plane

      Not painful and massive - 16 units per year. F-16 ALREADY more than 4 and a half thousand have been produced. When do Indians slap so much? 4500: 16 ....
      In addition, they even promise to put it into service by 2024. So far, officially, in the testing stage.

      I understand, I WANT .... But we have such people close to us, with Wishlist, their dreamers live. Even without the Indians, we have whose fantasies to laugh at.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 25 January 2021 15: 40
    -4
    These are the ones you are trying to push onto your aircraft carrier. and your own navies are pushing away from it with all four hooves?
    There is no doubt that they made their own aviak - it's good ... Only now it is clearly outdated
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 January 2021 15: 51
    -2
    Without pretending to be an understanding person in aviation, I believe that our "effective" aviation industry (or what is left of it) made a mistake by refusing to develop a new single-engine light fighter
    Result: loss of a large sales market (India), etc., whose defense concept does not provide for the purchase / maintenance of heavy MFIs
    We missed a very large segment
    .... "effective" fucking ...
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 25 January 2021 16: 48
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      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      Result: loss of a large sales market (India), etc.

      you cannot lose what was not ...
      India would have put Tejas on the wing no matter what.
    2. bar
      bar 25 January 2021 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      our "effective" aviation industry (or what is left of it) made the mistake of refusing to develop a new single-engine light fighter
      Result: loss of a large sales market (India)

      It is quite logical that our aviation industry is primarily engaged in developments in the interests of our own aerospace forces, and the "large sales market" is a secondary matter.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 January 2021 16: 06
    +2
    In India: More and more countries are interested in our Tejas fighter

    Cool ..... many museums of aviation misunderstandings want to create?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 25 January 2021 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      do many museums of aviation misunderstandings want to create?

      No, the old national tradition of dancing on glass, on fire, on nails. Using amerovsky engine to create your own national one and not fall under sanctions from the S-400. fool "We just don't understand" (Vysotsky)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 January 2021 17: 34
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        Yes, they promise with colored ribbons and fringes !!! How can you pass by such a miracle!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 January 2021 16: 16
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    However, he did not say which country is ready to make such an order.

    Of course, the striped ones will be ordered in a year, and everyone will follow them.
  • faiver
    faiver 25 January 2021 16: 26
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    Well, in principle, for countries that are not the first echelon, why not
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 25 January 2021 17: 17
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      Quote: faiver
      Well, in principle, for countries that are not the first echelon, why not

      Therefore, no. See my comments below.
  • bar
    bar 25 January 2021 17: 11
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    In India: More and more countries are interested in our Tejas fighter

    And India itself is increasingly interested in our MIGs. Something is somehow not dancing
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 January 2021 17: 16
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    More and more countries are interested in our Tejas fighter
    belay I, I, natural. If India does not refuse to buy the S-400, it will receive sanctions and Briliant will be uncut (a rough diamond, suitable only for cutting glass). The USA will refuse engines and cuckoo. hi The airplane is still serious, and "Made in India" is not quite = "Assembled in India". Yes, and we have experience in the GA of cooperation with the United States, wow, which is all negative.request
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 25 January 2021 17: 34
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    He also said that more and more countries are interested in the Tejas fighter jet produced in India.

    Many people wonder what the hell this is. laughing
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 25 January 2021 19: 30
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    More and more countries are interested in our Tejas fighter

    Pakistan and China are most interested in how to shoot down,
    Russia, France, USA, on the subject of what to sell to him laughing
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 25 January 2021 22: 00
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    More and more countries are interested in our Tejas fighter


    Who needs this junk? Is that banana republics)))
  • APASUS
    APASUS 25 January 2021 22: 09
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    Where can I find out the real info on this aircraft? Here the other day they published on VO its price, a little larger than the F-35A, and then the price dropped by half.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 52
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      Here, like Grippen ..... different versions cost differently.
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 26 January 2021 03: 20
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    The Hindus also have colorful clips, albeit stupid ones with flowers good
  • realmadmaxx
    realmadmaxx 26 January 2021 07: 19
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    we recently had a plane here on some unusual engines, youmayo forgot
    getting old ... crying
  • datura23
    datura23 26 January 2021 15: 55
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    AHA-HA-HA yoyo
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 27 January 2021 12: 28
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    In theory, Vietnam can buy them.