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Big rehearsal of petty people

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Well. Apparently, the time has come for us to switch from exciting world events to the turbulent political life inside our country? No matter how it is! The sprawling hotbed of instability along the perimeter of the country and the political crisis in the West could not but reflect on Russia. Just imagine how uncomfortable the Western political elites would feel if they had not projected all this onto us.

Hype as the enemy of modern society


Who is to blame for the involvement of youth in empty protests?

The answer is simple. Hype culture. Desire to gain short-term fame, both positive and negative. It is such a product of the information society as HYIP that indicates that humanity is not yet morally ready to correctly use the technical achievements of recent years.

After all, we often hear about the "zomboy". But what, in fact, is the difference between modern social networks and the "zomboy"? I think it's time to introduce a much fairer term - "zomboseti" ...

Too fast, streaming perception of information does not leave a chance for most users to double-check it and assumes only instant and non-critical absorption.

In addition, information on social networks is presented in the shortest possible excerpts, and the number of views and likes can directly affect the user's decision to accept or not accept this or that information. The very fact that a version is popular and / or fashionable, in fact, infects it (the effect of information infection) and becomes the main tool for manipulating the attention and consciousness of the audience of social networks.

By the way, this tool has long been used by social engineers to deliberately turn any (even knowingly false) version into "truth." Remember, at least slightly forgotten words:

"A lie repeated a million times becomes" truth. "

In today's fashion for zombie networks, this thought can be paraphrased as follows:

"A lie liked a million times is perceived as true."

Is not it?

Technologists-manipulators today mold pseudo-truth out of all sorts of nonsense. Moreover, all this looks like an experiment on a gigantic scale to brainwash information consumers of social networks with fashionable fakes.

All these tools of network infection are used by foreign manipulator puppeteers - the organizers of any street action. And they do not disdain anything. In particular, to create the illusion of mass character, they en masse buy up apolitical groups in social networks and bots. Of course, the systematic work of these specially trained foreign citizens or, in fact, social engineers is evident here.

But will they answer for it? When will our legislators legalize the closure or suspension of this kind of zombie networks? At least for a while? At least for organizing unauthorized protests with danger to people's lives?

So, controlling the activity of their charges - opposition supporters, they thereby put pressure on opponents and on those who were indifferent to the situation. And all this manipulation of the Russian audience takes place in foreign and tightly controlled from abroad social networks.

First of all, it creates the illusion of mass lapping of the version of "truth" that the West needs. (Note that for this you need to artificially technically organize only a certain number of likes and views). And then the next young user, who was indifferent before, has an “attraction effect” from polarization: me and the majority. Like if the crowd is "for", and why am I "against":

“After all, if so many people support, then maybe it's me? Perhaps I don't understand something? "

As a result, an apolitical person is drawn into the funnel of “fashionable protest opinion” in zombie networks.

But if at one point thousands of advertising and fake accounts and posts disappeared from the network, as well as repeated comments from the same users and bots, then we might see a real, radically different picture? Alas, these sites do not exist for this. The creators of social networks originally designed this environment specifically to manipulate public consciousness. And for organizing all kinds of street activities as well.

Power and law


But this is already a question for Russian lawmakers, who have not yet provided for effective blocking mechanisms. Without bureaucratic delays, most of which, purely economically, make it impossible for ordinary citizens to receive an adequate response from the relevant departments due to the need to conduct a linguistic examination at the expense of the applicant. It is also a question for the executive branch and public organizations that do not closely interact with social networks and poorly monitor illegal content.

No less questions are raised by the too calm attitude of the authorities directly to Navalny brought back.

It looks inconsistent when the deputies declare Navalny's work for foreign special services, and the trial is only on the old fraudulent antics of this character.

Where is the article on high treason (275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)? And what if the children in the coronavirus era have actually taken to the streets with calls for a violent change of power in the country? Who will be responsible for this from the supporters of Navalny? Or will it go completely unpunished again?

Also his statements about Crimea and the need to hold a second referendum? Isn't this a call for a split in territorial value (280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)? And what is this if not an attempt to put the opinion of the millions of Crimeans who voted publicly, openly and unanimously for reunification with Russia? Fortunately, there is still a possibility that Navalny (and his associates) will be involved at least for calling for rallies and riots.


By the way about the Crimea. This is Simferopol on January 23, 2021. And on March 18, 2019.
During the celebration of the anniversary of the annexation of Crimea to Russia and the visit of V.V. Putin.

Who will throw whom


The main mistake of the participants in such opposition actions is the illusion that they will be able to use local and foreign curators and then throw them off. Moreover, immediately after achieving any success. Pocket "revolutionaries" do not understand that no one has succeeded yet. And in itself the created chaos, even without the presence of a puppet in power, is a completely acceptable and even positive result for foreign curators. Especially when it comes to the prospect of removing a nuclear superpower from the political map of the world.

It is against this background that it is extremely important to convey to people that if one politician delves into another's dirty linen, then he always does it for his own political and economic benefit. And the indignation caused by hatred for the previous one becomes a veil for strengthening the power of the new. And a way to whiten all his impartial actions.

Alas, these are the realities of the modern world. People should understand that a protest cannot be in itself just for the sake of protest. Any ideological vacuum makes it possible to purposefully use the protest in interests absolutely alien to ordinary people. Puppeteers are only interested in the emotions of the crowd.

And the benefits? Beneficiaries - alas, never people. And, again, specific shadow customers from the new elite, who are eager to get into the high chairs occupied by others today.

All will be found


The illusion of mass character also played a role in organizing the riots. The logic was projected onto the public that if the law was violated by a lot of citizens, then the punishment would not follow. And the system will give up.

But no. The system will not close. And she will be able to punish even hundreds or thousands of violators according to their merits. And it is precisely this system of punishment that becomes a guarantee of preventing the chaos predicted from abroad. After all, the absence of fair punishment for breaking the law leads to lynching. And provokes new actions of the opposite side. By analogy with Ukraine and the uprising in the southeast, with the counter-revolution in Egypt and with the badminton power in Yemen.

In general, it can be stated that the concept of international experience does not work in the case of color coups. One and the same rake is stepped on by one country after another, or even several times. This factor indicates the existence of a global problem of low political literacy of the lower classes.

The same globalization, which presupposes free cross-border interpenetration of information and political education, does not work here.

Let us recall various examples. Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, Georgia, Syria, Libya, Turkey, Kyrgyzstan, Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Hong Kong and others. having a common cultural space and closest ties, do not learn from each other's negative experiences. Just the opposite. Linguistic, national and mental community is used as a way to transmit the protest relay.

Of course, all color coups have internal prerequisites. True, these premises are based on problems that are everywhere and always. But these problems can be exploited in different ways: either for the development of the country (constructive dialogue), or for its destruction (naked protest).

But the main thing that all colored stocks have in common is the coup technology. Cynical, dry and irresponsible. It is the technology of converting any problems from the sphere of their peaceful, logical, consistent and constructive discussion, from the niche of finding solutions to the sphere of purposeful (controlled from outside by interested parties) protest and inciting a social explosion. This technology is just taught to the top of the Russian opposition in foreign "gatherings and universities." And they are already working off fees here in our localities, persecuting children and adolescents on social networks.

Big rehearsal of petty people

Political slogans


When analyzing any political events, it is always important to ask the main questions:

“Who is behind this?

Who is exercising?

What methods?

What is the result? "

And only after a detailed analysis of these points can one begin to analyze the demands of the crowd, their timeliness and justification. Only in this case, the fourth point may not have to be analyzed after the fact, with horror and regret.

The fight against corruption in Russia has become the most hackneyed thesis of the opposition at the moment. Problem? Of course.

And now look how it is transferred from the field of open discussion and the plane of the search for constructive solutions (including legislative and legal) into the only and uncontested coup.

But how does the opposition propose to defeat corruption? In place of those hated oligarchs of the 90s, are they being tagged today by youngsters who consider money and instant fame as the main priority in life?

What, then, is the difference between modern admirers of the idea "who has risen is right" and their older colleagues, who are corrupt? It turns out that only in the level of powers and income achieved to date? And not at all in the absence of corruption as such.

That is why color coups are disgusting because they do not imply the advancement of any constructive and positive idea, which means that they do not seek to build anything. Such coups are aimed solely at breaking the entire existing system, period. The grass does not grow further. Or others will decide further (those who ordered the riot).

All that the customer needs from the crowd is emotions. Negative, of course. The crowd should buy into the personal charm of a popular blogger, and not at all on the experience or common sense of opposition leaders (these qualities are not in demand).

But why?

For the redistribution of benefits. Or, as they say today, “golden loaves”. Today these loaves are in the hands of corrupt officials. It is necessary to select and transfer to new (appointed from outside) candidates. But are these loaves the symbol and essence of corruption? It turns out that no one is going to liquidate it? Yes, yes, you just need to change the corrupt officials from the bad to the good, necessary, modern, young and others. But corrupt officials with the same loaves, mind you?

Power does not go anywhere either. And after the coups, it does not disappear anywhere. And only passed on to others. Moreover, as America has shown to the whole world, power is bought and sold, regardless of the position of the people.

Geography of Russia


But back to our country. The federation status is an important factor that makes Russia more resistant to simple technologies of color coups. The maximum activation of the opponents of power evenly across all regions is not yet possible. The regions of our country are heterogeneous, differ greatly both in political views and in the level of political activity of the population.

Fortunately, the pseudo-liberal infection is spreading across Russia as unevenly as the coronavirus. While the situation is improving in one region, it is getting worse in another. And vice versa.

The actions of the navalnists can be called a failure.

And other actions of the same mass scale are not expected in the near future. Steam has already been released. From my point of view, repeating the provocative chain of "martyr-exposure" will not work. The "opposition" recruits realized that punishment was inevitable. And the majority of Russians saw the true face of “navalism”.

Such a vaccination partially loses its effectiveness as the methods of exposure mutate. But these mutations take time. Although it cannot be ruled out that the poisoned Navalny in Germany just underwent a course of education and training on these very various mutations of controlled protest.

Given the high degree of political awareness of Russian society, it would be quite logical to assume that the "opposition" has so far only lost its supporters, trying to rehearse according to a too primitive and predictable scenario of a color coup.

However, you should not relax. For the main goal is the elections this fall, as well as the presidential elections in Russia in 2024. By that time, even more fans will grow up to look through TikTok after school.

This rehearsal in many ways showed that those who have barely just learned how to write and read are being led to such a thing.

This means that our society still has every chance to teach them to look at the world soundly, that is, without hype, slogans and collective emotions.
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  1. antivirus
    antivirus 26 January 2021 12: 09
    +3
    Where did the rebels of South Korea go? here is an example for changing consciousness. development of society
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 12: 22
      +12
      Lermontov, wrote about the events 200 years ago, emphasizing the indignation of the elderly from the younger generation, which did not strive to die for the glory of the Fatherland immediately on the battlefield, but which, in the end, made the European Union 1,0 to the full
      ... It is necessary to state the fact of the educational reform initiated by the nationals in 1992 according to American patterns - we have dumb, terribly stupid youth today, they are not dumb in terms of intellect, but in terms of love for the Motherland - they have no Motherland! Her homeland is the dollar, the euro and even the ruble, but not mom, dad, the first teacher, school, university, country ... And this, through our national traitors to the Yeltsin gang, was introduced by the Anglo-Saxons, taking advantage of the desire for especially stupid changes! born in the USSR and the parents of those who studied in the USSR, the concept of the Motherland was, therefore, 18 boys buried feral professionals in Chechnya 2 times, even now young officers who studied with the teachers of the military school of the Soviet Union do everyone, in Syria, etc., it is far from being for money. .. But teachers are leaving! Where are we going? This is what we come to, there is no Motherland, but there is only a dollar! "We want change ..." - Debi. ly !!!!
      1. Revival
        Revival 26 January 2021 12: 42
        +11
        And what is their homeland? What attitude does she show them, you need to start with this
        "The state shows them" euro, dollar, ruble "..
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 12: 46
          +6
          "They don't choose their homeland, son!" But seriously, do you love your mother for something? Although I came across people who hated their mother, who gave birth to them ... And Mom, like the Motherland, she simply exists and does not owe you anything, she has already done everything, she gave birth to you! And then the fact of a person is manifested - whether he is a person or a sales person ... just! hi
          1. Revival
            Revival 26 January 2021 12: 56
            +27
            So there is no need to change concepts here, young man!
            She is the only motherland and is loved just like that, but what is called "state" sometimes does not deserve love by default.
            The motherland and the "state", unfortunately, are sometimes completely different things.
            And this difference often reveals the fact of the state - whether it is a state or a "state"!
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 January 2021 12: 57
              0
              Thank you for the complement "young man", for me the Motherland and the state have become inseparable concepts ... All the same, I gave the army almost 30 years hi
              1. A1845
                A1845 26 January 2021 13: 40
                +2
                Too fast, streaming perception of information does not leave a chance for most users to double-check it and assumes only instant and non-critical absorption.

                there is hardly anything new in this .. in all ages there have been methods of mass fooling and the web is not the reason for all the troubles
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 26 January 2021 16: 00
                  +6
                  And now look how it is transferred from the field of open discussion and the plane of the search for constructive solutions (including legislative and legal) into the only and uncontested coup.
                  In my opinion, the author did not outline, even in contours, how the opinion of those who disagree with this or that decision of the government (president) can convey their point of view. There is no formalized feedback channel. Therefore, the author is somewhat disingenuous. Himself - an opponent of coups, revolutions and other upheavals, but the current leadership of the state and "type opponents" Navalny, Bykovs and others, by their actions more and more convinced me that they are not going to do better and do not want to do people's lives better. And they won't give it to others. And one involuntarily thinks that only a revolution can (or maybe bring even more vile types to the crest) demolish this rag-tag. But again, doubts, there is no leader (s) who will really root for the idea of ​​social justice and will do everything to implement it. And somehow it is bleak to see a "bright future".
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 15: 54
                +21
                Quote: Finches
                for me the Motherland and the state concepts have become inseparable

                These are different concepts, Zhenya. Sometimes the state falls under the rule of scoundrels who conduct colonial policies to please other states. And at this moment, these concepts are polar to each other. After all, is it stupid to treat the state as the Motherland when False Dmitry is at the helm? Or do you think Minin and Pozharsky are terrorists and extremists? wink
                1. brat07
                  brat07 30 January 2021 22: 09
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: Finches
                  for me the Motherland and the state concepts have become inseparable

                  These are different concepts, Zhenya. Sometimes the state falls under the rule of scoundrels who conduct colonial policies to please other states. And at this moment, these concepts are polar to each other. After all, is it stupid to treat the state as the Motherland when False Dmitry is at the helm? Or do you think Minin and Pozharsky are terrorists and extremists? wink

                  And you Navalny to Minin and Pozharsky
                  decided to include? But!
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 30 January 2021 22: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: brat07
                    And you Navalny to Minin and Pozharsky
                    decided to include?

                    Have you read it somewhere? belay Now it is fashionable for the Zaputites to write down all those dissatisfied with the authorities in the bulk of the bulk? wink
                    1. brat07
                      brat07 31 January 2021 04: 14
                      -1
                      Or do you think Minin and Pozharsky are terrorists and extremists? wink

                      Your words? If I'm wrong, then who is Minin and Pozharsky?
                      Tell me, please.
                      I am at a loss.
              3. Prisoner
                Prisoner 26 January 2021 16: 10
                +1
                There is such a trick. Not new anymore, but very beloved by the liberals. They say the Motherland is one thing, and the state is another. Only betrayal is it betrayal. And every babble, that "they sniffed with the Nazis because of disagreements with the Bolsheviks," that with Vasya's tsrushniki because they were against the communists, "etc., everything is from the evil one. Greedy venal scum betrays and sells. And sells the Motherland. work as a state, edrit him by the leg, reform, fight! Just do not destroy the country, do not call foreign "partners" to help. In general, something like that.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 26 January 2021 18: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: Captive
                  Just do not destroy the country, do not call foreign "partners" for help. In general, something like that.

                  Everything is absolutely true - this is the position that all sane and honest people adhere to, who do not live one day and see what remains after them.
              4. pro100y.belarus
                pro100y.belarus 26 January 2021 20: 22
                -2
                Quote: Finches
                for me, the Motherland and the state concepts have become inseparable ... All the same, he gave almost 30 years to the army

                2020 - 30 = 1990. So they served the two states. First - "I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ..." And then - Gorbachev - a traitor, long live Yeltsin. Then Yeltsin - a drunkard, destroyed the country, long live Putin!
                Who will you bow to next?
                No pompous words about the Motherland ... insincere.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 26 January 2021 21: 20
                  -1
                  Quote: pro100y.belarus
                  Quote: Finches
                  for me, the Motherland and the state concepts have become inseparable ... All the same, he gave almost 30 years to the army

                  2020 - 30 = 1990. So they served the two states. First - "I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ..." And then - Gorbachev - a traitor, long live Yeltsin. Then Yeltsin - a drunkard, destroyed the country, long live Putin!
                  Who will you bow to next?
                  No pompous words about the Motherland ... insincere.

                  Well, you, judging by the comment, generally flew past the service as a bullet
                  1. pro100y.belarus
                    pro100y.belarus 26 January 2021 23: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Well, you, judging by the comment, generally flew past the service as a bullet

                    He served in the SA. I had to shoot. So your discernment to hell.
                    And we didn’t respect such political politicians who talked about the Motherland and the state in a pompous manner because of the word “absolutely”. And I was terribly sleepy on political information.
                    We lived with lies, we live with lies.
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 27 January 2021 07: 05
                      +4
                      And we didn’t respect such political politicians who talked about the Motherland and the state in a pompous manner because of the word “absolutely”.

                      and then you don't need to listen to someone. This feeling is either in you or not. If you cannot make out where your Motherland and Fatherland are, and where the enemy is, then you really "serve", not defend.
                      1. RitaNik
                        RitaNik 27 January 2021 16: 23
                        -1
                        What do you have against "serving in the SA"?
                        Griboyedov also says:
                        "I would be glad to serve, it is sickening to serve."

                        Until 1815, Griboyedov served in the rank of a cornet under the command of General of the Cavalry A.S.Kologrivov.
                      2. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 28 January 2021 04: 26
                        +1
                        What do you have against "serving in the SA"?
                        Griboyedov also says:

                        no need to grease quotes of famous people here. The ensign selling fuel and lubricants to the left also serves in the Armed Forces. A personnel officer in the office of the 40th Army in Afghanistan, who subscribes military orders for himself instead of the guys from the combat units, also serves. The rear servicemen, who made themselves an apartment on the Arbat, selling warm uniforms from the warehouse, when the boys were freezing in the trenches of Chechnya, also serves. The general, instead of providing combat training for the units, forces the soldiers to build a dacha for themselves - he also serves. It's too bad you didn't even bother to think before you start writing. There is a difference between the words "serve" and "protect"
                      3. RitaNik
                        RitaNik 28 January 2021 10: 10
                        +2
                        Well, you don't know the person who wrote about the service in the SA. Maybe he was that ordinary soldier.
                        I know about what was going on in the army, and I accompanied my husband to Chechnya, and while they were there, those who remained in the military town with the crew of the downed helicopter said goodbye (the guys were brought to the unit on board before being buried at home).
                        I know a lot ...
                        I just don't like pathos for the sake of politics. Our men drank the third toast in silence ...
                      4. RitaNik
                        RitaNik 28 January 2021 11: 05
                        +3
                        I will also add that many of those who went through Afghanistan, Chechnya, who are injured, do not advertise this. Modest. They do not like to talk about it publicly.
                      5. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 28 January 2021 11: 32
                        -2
                        I have seen enough of different things over the years. Both heroic and vile. And I saw different people. And the sycophants of the parquet and those who risked their lives
                      6. RitaNik
                        RitaNik 28 January 2021 11: 53
                        +2
                        Specify, please, do you consider those whom I have mentioned to be parquet sycophants?
                      7. RitaNik
                        RitaNik 30 January 2021 19: 04
                        0
                        During the service, everyone had to see enough of different things. But not everyone kicks themselves in the chest and throws high-flown phrases.
                    2. RitaNik
                      RitaNik 28 January 2021 14: 11
                      +1
                      Why didn't you answer? At least minuses would be put to my comments.
                      Behind each nickname is a person with their own history, which you do not know. And it is not for you to judge them, not only you fought ...
                    3. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 29 January 2021 04: 28
                      0
                      Why didn't you answer?

                      our conversation resembles a conversation between a blind man and a deaf person. I write about one thing, you answer about another. I don’t have so much time to explain in detail every phrase.
                    4. RitaNik
                      RitaNik 29 January 2021 12: 46
                      0
                      ... the conversation resembles a conversation between a blind man and a deaf ...

                      I agree with that.
                      The meaning of your phrases remained hidden, but you managed to evoke hostility towards you and your company.
                      Thanks for communication. All the best.
                    5. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 1 February 2021 04: 39
                      -3
                      The meaning of your phrases remains hidden

                      the meaning of the phrases is quite clear, you just have to start listening to the interlocutor, and not just yourself (as in your case).
                      but you managed to cause dislike for you and your company

                      my company? What is "my company"? What are you grinding? I come here to express my purely subjective opinion, and not to join some kind of "community" or "company".
                    6. RitaNik
                      RitaNik 1 February 2021 10: 54
                      -1
                      What kind of troops did you serve and during what period? Participated in the database?
                    7. The comment was deleted.
                    8. RitaNik
                      RitaNik 1 February 2021 14: 46
                      0
                      I served as a com. Department. ZAS vp army aviation 93-97.
                      You defended your homeland in what units?
    2. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 27 January 2021 18: 29
      -2
      Quote: Ka-52
      then you really "serve", not protect.

      Have we been attacked? What to protect from? From freedom and conscience? Another political officer.
      The cabinet fighters got tired of it.
    3. Ka-52
      Ka-52 28 January 2021 04: 28
      0
      Have we been attacked? What to protect from? From freedom and conscience? Another political officer.
      The cabinet fighters got tired of it.

      Well, don't write "I served." Write "I warmed the opu somewhere on guard, guarding the warehouse with footcloths"
    4. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 29 January 2021 11: 18
      -2
      Quote: Ka-52
      Well, don't write "I served." Write "I warmed the opu somewhere on guard, guarding the warehouse with footcloths"

      I'm not the guard. You watch. Do not sleep 4.28 nights, ... you warm up on duty in front of the monitor.
      And they don't pay me money. I am ideological - for justice, conscience and freedom.
      Dawn always comes after the night and the bloodsuckers die. Remember this.
    5. Ka-52
      Ka-52 29 January 2021 11: 30
      -1
      I'm not the guard. You watch. Do not sleep 4.28 nights, ..

      heh) you can see your whole head "guarded" if you don't get the idea that you and I live in different time zones. And if you have 4:28 at night, then I have 8:28 in the morning laughing fool
      Dawn always comes after the night and the bloodsuckers die. Remember this.

      everything is relative. For psychiatric patients and orderlies are bloodsuckers bully
      I am ideological - for justice, conscience and freedom ..

      all of you are ideological ... on the surface. Like your cook or our Oval. Only for some reason they live and are treated in hospitals at the expense of the budget of the countries-political opponents. Here is a riddle then what
    6. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 29 January 2021 14: 23
      -2
      Quote: Ka-52
      all of you are ideological ... on the surface. Like your cook or our Oval.

      Don't you understand that neither Navalny nor Tikhanovskaya could have taken hundreds of thousands of people to the streets if there were no prerequisites?
      Most people don't care about Navalny and Tikhanovskaya. People were sick of this wild capitalism, these palaces, this ostentatious luxury, this outright lie from the screens ... and such "political instructors" as you, sitting in warm places and praying to your god, no matter what he does with his people ...
      People need TRUTH and JUSTICE.
      Your time, the time of the huckster is running out. In the near future, remember my words.
    7. Ka-52
      Ka-52 1 February 2021 04: 53
      -2
      that neither Navalny nor Tikhanovskaya could have taken hundreds of thousands of people to the streets if there were no prerequisites?

      bullshit. Society has never been monolithic. Not at any time. There are always dissatisfied and marginalized in it. Even if the marginal stratum is 0,1% of the total population of Russia, it will already be 140 people. seems to be a decent figure, but it's just 0,1% of all citizens of Russia! Navalny and Tikhanovskaya led the marginalized youth, because it is the youth who always easily succumb to protest phenomena. Look at the protest rallies in Russia - there are teenagers. There are no adults there. This is a revolution of hype, not freedom.
      Your time, the time of the huckster is running out. In the near future, remember my words.

      this is the delusion of a person who lives in a fictional universe. The hucksters, traders, money-givers are the essence of the capitalist system throughout the world. If you want socialist equality, go to the DPRK. It is the only social country in the world.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 27 January 2021 08: 53
    +5
    Quote: pro100y.belarus
    Who will you bow to next?

    He doesn't care. Who will be put.
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 31 January 2021 15: 12
    0
    I am more, but I hate the current state
  • zenion
    zenion 26 January 2021 17: 31
    +3
    The most real word for the people is neither the motherland nor the state - the country. And on the territory of the country you can build such a state as the people want, this is the right of the people to build a state. But when those in power begin to tremble in their hearts, and they generally considered the people for, they begin to call themselves the Motherland. You are not defending me or my yachts, you are defending the Motherland. The state and what it has done for the people is not even mentioned.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 26 January 2021 17: 31
    +2
    Quote: Revival
    So there is no need to change concepts here, young man!
    She is the only motherland and is loved just like that, but what is called "state" sometimes does not deserve love by default.
    The motherland and the "state", unfortunately, are sometimes completely different things.
    And this difference often reveals the fact of the state - whether it is a state or a "state"!

    No matter how you treat the state and power, you will defend your homeland. Where can you go then ...
    Here are children, parents, friends, home and native land. After all, you cannot give up or exchange everything ...
    How many have read about people who had personal scores with the Bolsheviks, but walked with them in the same ranks when trouble loomed over their homeland.
    1. Revival
      Revival 27 January 2021 00: 08
      +2
      Everything is correct here.
  • lucul
    lucul 26 January 2021 13: 12
    -1
    They don't choose their homeland, son! "But seriously, do you love your mother for something? Although I have come across people who hated their mother who gave birth to them ...

    I came across such people .... to the question of what you hate - they answered "What is good for me" did she.
    And Mom, like the Motherland, she just exists and does not owe you anything, she has already done everything, she gave birth to you! And then the fact of a person is manifested - is he a person

    They destroyed the authority of the elders. It was dad / mom / grandfather / grandmother who could tell the child that everything that was told to you at school today is not true (as an example, Ukraine). And the child could resist propaganda. Look at the Arabs or Jews - the authority of the elders is indisputable there, so they successfully resist propaganda (at least they resist it much more powerfully).
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 13: 50
      +8
      Quote: lucul
      Look at Arabs or Jews - there the authority of the elders is indisputable, therefore they successfully resist propaganda (at least they resist it much more powerfully).

      It's right. “Arab Spring” - it is this concept of authority and respect that has become firmly established in political use. It is the first decades that they cannot "respect" each other in arguments about the "beginning and end of the stick" and about "which side to break the egg from"
      The latter so successfully resisted propaganda that they were even given a plot in 1948 so that they would not "touch" the world community apart so much, but would do it in one specific place.
    2. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 26 January 2021 18: 00
      -1
      About the Arabs is controversial. They are dumb and overly quick-tempered. It was on them that the skating rink of the "color revolutions" was most cruel. Libya, Syria, Egypt ... the "authority of the elders" did not help much there ... And as for our "elders", as you look at the Navalny rallies carrying delirium with glass eyes, there is no desire to listen to such an "authority" .. . Rather send somewhere further ...
      1. Revival
        Revival 27 January 2021 13: 27
        +1
        And as you look at the "senior" in the commercials of "Putin's detachments", it is either humor, or I am embarrassed to say
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 26 January 2021 13: 14
    +7
    Quote: Finches
    "They don't choose their homeland, son!"

    There is no homeland. And the State? Why then came up with elections, for fiction, in order to maintain the ruling system, well, since it is ruling?
    And further. You said strongly about mom, just what to do with "mom" if she threw you in a snowdrift, or, at best, handed you over to a boarding school?
    1. zenion
      zenion 26 January 2021 17: 26
      +3
      The author with his own words from naglitskiy, when there is a beautiful Russian word written by an intelligent person - TV channel. You can do it as well.
    2. Oleg Monarchist
      Oleg Monarchist 31 January 2021 19: 27
      +1
      There is no homeland. And the State? Why then came up with elections, for fiction, in order to maintain the ruling system, well, since it is ruling?
      And further. You said strongly about mom, just what to do with "mom" if she threw you in a snowdrift, or, at best, handed you over to a boarding school?


      Well, if you personally have such a mother, then these are personally your problems and your mother's.
    3. Oleg Monarchist
      Oleg Monarchist 31 January 2021 19: 38
      +1
      By the way, citizen Soviet, as I understand it, you consider yourself the most disadvantaged in this life? Do you have a house or apartment, dacha, car? Surely, some of this is, and maybe all together. So after the revaluation more "deer ... deer" citizens may come to you and divide you, like a snickering bourgeois muzzle, your family and your property. How does this alignment suit you ??? laughing
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 26 January 2021 13: 19
    +13
    Quote: Finches
    Although I came across people who hated their mother, who gave birth to them ...

    Well, for example, I hate it. For this person decided that the daddy and I, against the background of 1991, had become "neperative" and dumped into the sunset when I was not even 2 years old. And so it should i love? Excuse me generously, I have more lovable people.
    Quote: Finches
    And Mom, like the Motherland, she just exists and does not owe you anything, she has already done everything, she gave birth to you!

    I sincerely regret that you, at one time, were not thrown into the trash, as quite a few were thrown out. With the justification that you have already been given birth, and more you do not owe anything. If miraculously remained alive, it would help clear the brain.
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 13: 23
      -12%
      Unfortunately, I cannot write my opinion about your statement, capacious and short, like a shot ... Banned! Live as you live ... Maybe you will grow wiser, but no, then there is no trial! All the will of God! hi
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 27 January 2021 09: 00
        -1
        Quote: Finches
        Unfortunately, I can not write your opinion about your statement, capacious and short, like a shot ... Banned!

        You can't do anything at all.
        1. Revival
          Revival 27 January 2021 13: 28
          +3
          So there is no order))
    2. Stena
      Stena 26 January 2021 14: 13
      +2
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Well, for example, I hate it. For this person decided that the daddy and I, against the background of 1991, had become "neperspektivny" and dumped into the sunset, when I was not even 2 years old. Is this what I should love? Excuse me generously, I have more love-worthy people.

      "Honor your father and your mother. And you will have long years."
      PS I don’t answer the comments in principle. Just giving my opinion.
    3. matross
      matross 26 January 2021 14: 34
      -1
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Although I came across people who hated their mother, who gave birth to them ...

      Well, for example I hate. For this person decided that the daddy and I, against the background of 1991, had become "neperative" and dumped into the sunset,

      You can sympathize. It is clear that with such childhood traumas, now what has grown has grown. Something permanently oppositional has grown.
      Zyablintsev gave an example of love for the mother, as a constant for all people and social formations, but here you also managed to throw a personal hype.
      1. Finches
        Finches 26 January 2021 14: 49
        -3
        Why Zyablintsev then? Zyablitsev! laughing And so all my life! hi
        1. matross
          matross 26 January 2021 15: 24
          +3
          Quote: Finches
          Why Zyablintsev then? Zyablitsev!

          Sorry for the mistake! hi
          1. Finches
            Finches 26 January 2021 15: 25
            +2
            Yes, I'm used to it, I'm joking more! hi
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 26 January 2021 15: 05
        +13
        Quote: matRoss
        It is clear that with such childhood injuries

        Don't confuse injury with early adolescence. Things are completely different. And if for me, it is better to become an adult at 10 than to remain a complete infantile at 60. yes
        Quote: matRoss
        Zyablintsev gave an example of love for mother, as a constant for all people

        And this is an example of infantilism. When years came to visit, and wisdom went to a different address. There are not so many constants in the world. The gravitational constant, for example, or the mass of a proton. But there are no constants in human relationships. Exclusively variables. And love for someone / something is possible with at least a neutral attitude of the object of love. If, in response to love, bullying is followed, then it is no longer about love, but about a mental disorder called masochism, or about painful addiction, akin to drug addiction, which in general is also from the field of diseases.
        And there is no need to speculate on patriotism, etc. Love for the Motherland and patriotism are by no means synonyms of blind compromise with everything that the ruling elite thinks to do. Otherwise, you will agree that the Essesmans from the Maidanek guard were innocent victims who suffered solely for their patriotism and love for their homeland. Sorry, but the Motherland is separate, and the flies parasitizing on it are also separate.
        That's the point. For to go nuts as speculators are tired of politics, trying to pull the owl of their dirty deeds onto the globe of patriotism.
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 15: 09
          -14%
          No, you will not grow wiser laughing Do not worry about this hi
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 26 January 2021 15: 34
            +18
            Quote: Finches
            No, you will not grow wiser

            Look who's Talking...
            Quote: Finches
            for me the Motherland and the state concepts have become inseparable ...

            Quote: Finches
            And this, through our national traitors of the Yeltsin gang

            In one post, you crucify your love for Yeltsin, because for you "Motherland and the state have become inseparable," in another you call him a bandit. Or in the 90s you were, according to your own definitions, a traitor, the Motherland, inseparable from the state, hating? So why are you teaching someone now, with your treacherous experience? Excuse me generously, but not with such a mess in my head to talk about my mental abilities.
            And I'm sorry again. This concludes. Discussions with someone who so clearly demonstrates the allogical nature of thinking ... Not my hobby Here's how to decide who you are, an ardent Yeltsinist, or a traitor to the Motherland, who hated it, then you can continue. yes
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 January 2021 16: 03
              -12%
              You are a woman (most likely, otherwise you can expect everything from the Internet) and you cannot be offended, you are the way you are! So I did not define the Motherland by the names of the general secretaries and presidents, but served the people ... How can you explain that? I can’t, most likely ..
              I can't stand Gorbachev, Yeltsin, but I respect the GDP and all this through the prism of personal experience! And I served even now, a career officer, and there are no former officers, I am in the mobilization reserve (not yet a reserve) not under the names ... And in the Armed Forces of Russia!
              However, my wife, last year the silver wedding was ruled, she was wandering around the garrison, in the 3rd year she married a military school, drank grief with me, she seemed to see life, but she thinks like you are fools ... laughing Sometimes! Women! In a word! But my wife is faithful, and I cannot betray her, because all the g ... dragged, in spite of no matter what to go with the officer all 90, it's worth a lot ...
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 26 January 2021 16: 14
                +13
                Quote: Finches
                I can't stand Gorbachev, Yeltsin, but I respect the GDP and all this through the prism of personal experience!

                Simply put, we throw out all the verbal rubbish, and we see one thing. To identify the state and the Motherland, or not, you prefer exclusively through the prism of your own political views. When Putin, whom you like, is in power, then the state and the Motherland are one thing. When Yeltsin is in power, the state and the Motherland are not united. But I, who despise Putin, for some reason must blindly follow your views on life. How funny. Remember I talked about infantilism? One of its main features is egocentrism. Snotty-childish. I am the navel of the earth. In general, I wish to have time to grow up, even in this life, and not in the next round of incarnation. yes A. Yes. And work on the logic. In order not to give out in one topic, two strictly opposite judgments.
                Dixi.
              2. Finches
                Finches 26 January 2021 17: 18
                -4
                You are mad, I understand you, but you can't throw out the words from the song! I did not respect Yeltsin, but I served the Motherland, I did my job, and I started to respect Putin, but I continued to do my job honestly ... What do you reproach me for?
              3. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 26 January 2021 17: 42
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                What do you reproach me for?

                Lord. In illogicality. At the level of disorder. Conversation directly from the textbook.
                "Do you think a watermelon can be put in the refrigerator? No, it's striped."
                Quote: Finches
                I did not respect Yeltsin, but I served the Motherland-

                Quote: Finches
                for me, the Motherland and the state concepts have become inseparable.

                Quote: Finches
                And this, through our national traitors of the Yeltsin gang

                You will finally decide. Or our Motherland is a gangster den, which you happily served. And then you yourself are a bandit and a national traitor. Or the government and the Motherland, never the same thing.
                Third and last time. Learn to think logically. Dot.
              4. Finches
                Finches 26 January 2021 17: 45
                -2
                So I already wrote that I did not serve Yeltsin and Putin ... Or does it not reach you? I, somewhere, served for you and for that guy ... What, I ask again, is your complaint? And what, with your permission, I ask you personally, did you do for the Motherland, so that everyone and everything hait?
              5. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 26 January 2021 18: 42
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                I will ask you personally, did you do for the Motherland,

                She gave birth to two daughters. What you, personally, in principle, are not capable of. yes Few? I was engaged in road repair. Without which you would only have to change the bus of the Pekarus brand. Not enough too? A quarter of each group that they trained, having left the road workers, recruited from the free ones. So that you are busy, and not sell you, than heavy, between your ears, in search of money for a dose or a bottle. Now, excuse me, charity had to be stopped. I didn’t pull when the good mister Putin imposed on me the obligation to pay rent, taxes and wages, while forbidding me to work. We have to spin to provide for our daughters. So ... If some of my former students / pupils are free of charge, from slightly dysfunctional, then ... Glory to Putin, sparrow glory. yes
              6. Finches
                Finches 26 January 2021 19: 03
                0
                Daughters! Test !!! And I gave birth to two daughters! Only for this my claims against you are removed! And I apologize if somewhere I allowed myself too much! I have the honor! love hi
  • matross
    matross 26 January 2021 15: 50
    -10%
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Don't confuse injury with early adolescence.

    Are you 2 years old who matured early, as you wrote above? Or is the story just made up?
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    But there are no constants in human relationships.

    Who's talking about relationships? No need to oversimplify, not in tick-tock ... I meant moral norms and moral stereotypes. Yes, they are not for everyone, someone is isolated from society, someone is not yet - they are holding meetings as a young man or muddying the waters on the forums.
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Homeland is separate, and flies parasitizing on it too

    This is all without question. And you better not even hum.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 26 January 2021 16: 12
    +1
    Sorry, but the Motherland is separate, and the flies parasitizing on it are also separate.
    That's the point. For to go nuts as speculators are tired of politics, trying to pull the owl of their dirty deeds onto the globe of patriotism.
    I agree with you. All this inflated, tortured "patriotism" of capitalists and oligarchs can be translated into Russian as follows: you will not allow "our" money to be taken from us.
    But what to do when the collapse of state institutions of government (coup) leads to an instant loss of the state's ability to resist external aggression? And it will only get worse. Where can we find those who will be able to seize power and prevent further chaos and repel external aggression? And there are always such “people” of capitalists, remember 1991. And vice versa, "good", they will not give up the power and "righteously acquired".
  • for
    for 1 February 2021 22: 40
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    For to go nuts as speculators are tired of politics, trying to pull the owl of their dirty deeds onto the globe of patriotism.

    These "patriots" remind me of Petya Polipova (Eternal Call)
  • Stas157
    Stas157 27 January 2021 09: 12
    -1
    Quote: matRoss
    You can sympathize... It is clear that with such childhood traumas, now what has grown has grown. Something has grown

    It is not necessary to sympathize so hypocritically and cynically. In exchange for frankness, you switched to personalities and rudeness. I will only note that problems, no matter how serious they are, do not necessarily break people, they only make many stronger.
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 26 January 2021 14: 39
    +3
    I sincerely regret that at one time you were not thrown into the trash, as quite a few were thrown out.

    Yes, you are a kind-hearted person, I look ...
  • Achilles
    Achilles 26 January 2021 20: 12
    +3
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Well, for example, I hate it. For this person decided that the daddy and I, against the background of 1991, had become "neperspektivny" and dumped into the sunset, when I was not even 2 years old. Is this what I should love? Excuse me generously, I have more love-worthy people.

    Zyablitsev (Eugene) meant, if not mom, then dad, i.e. a beloved parent, in your case it is a beloved dad, many others have a mother, but in general you did not understand his idea and where do such stupid people come from?
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 26 January 2021 13: 51
    -6
    A smart article. Although (in my opinion) it is somewhat unnecessarily confused and complicated.
    And the question of Navalny's responsibility for EVERYTHING - which was repeatedly said, but not asked - very true: many do not understand why there are so many around Navalny's bubble empty gossip of power.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 12: 43
    +31
    Quote: Finches
    but in terms of love for the Motherland, she has no Motherland!

    One should not confuse love for the Motherland and love for His Excellency. Love for the Motherland and love for the state system should not be confused. These are two different things. I think that Ernst Thölmann loved his homeland no less than Adolf Hitler. (We will omit Lenin, Stalin and other revolutionaries, you are reacting to them inadequately).
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 12: 48
      -18%
      That's right, so you don't confuse horseradish with a tram handle! hi
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      2. Crowe
        Crowe 26 January 2021 13: 01
        +34
        so don't confuse horseradish with a tram handle!

        Well, why are you rude, Evgeny ... Rudeness is the attempts of the weak to demonstrate strength. Rudeness is an imitation of strength by a weak person. This is not even your opponent, this is Mikhail Evgrafovich Saltykov-Shchedrin noted: Many tend to confuse two concepts: "Fatherland" and “Your Excellency.” Has it become irrelevant today? No, many continue to confuse ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 13: 09
          -7
          Thank you for the science! hi I could not resist ... But all the same he commanded a platoon, company, battalion ..., so I will summarize sometimes on the military!
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 13: 04
        +12
        Quote: Finches
        That's right, so you don't confuse horseradish with a tram handle! hi

        Does the commentary have anything to say?
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        One should not confuse love for the Motherland and love for His Excellency. Love for the Motherland and love for the state system should not be confused. These are two different things. I think that Ernst Telman loved his homeland no less than Adolf Hitler.
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 13: 14
          -10%
          I love the Motherland, and I do not care who is in the Kremlin, I evaluate them by their actions! I would personally shoot Gorbachev, my hand would not flinch, I hated and hate Yeltsin, but I gave the oath to the Motherland, so I served and fulfilled my duties, as I understood them, after all, the boys were not to blame for my subordination ... I had to return them to their mothers, but also to complete the task! And the Supreme, who is the GDP, I have respected since 2000 and you cannot change my respect by verbiage, because I respect for the cause!
          1. Revival
            Revival 26 January 2021 13: 16
            +10
            Respect, respect, who forbids you.
            I respected too ..
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 January 2021 13: 19
              -7
              But I don't change my principles ...
              1. Revival
                Revival 26 January 2021 13: 29
                +10
                Don't you confuse anything?
                Respect for someone else is not a principle)))
                1. Finches
                  Finches 26 January 2021 13: 30
                  -9
                  Principle. I don’t just start respecting a person and don’t give up respecting him if he makes some mistakes in life!
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 26 January 2021 13: 43
                    +12
                    That is, for example, you respect someone, and then he starts to rob, lie, but you will stubbornly respect him !?
                    This is what do you think should be minor offenses to stop respecting someone?
                  2. Finches
                    Finches 26 January 2021 14: 17
                    -12%
                    Betrayal - everything can be forgiven, except betrayal!
                  3. Revival
                    Revival 26 January 2021 15: 07
                    +8
                    Forgiving is one thing, but continuing to respect is another!
                    The question was about maintaining respect
                  4. Finches
                    Finches 26 January 2021 15: 10
                    -6
                    GDP, and at my discretion, does not betray the country!
                  5. Revival
                    Revival 26 January 2021 15: 15
                    +2
                    I'm not about who betrays whom
                  6. Finches
                    Finches 26 January 2021 16: 21
                    -11%
                    Then it's easier to say - I like GDP, as the head of state - is that more understandable?
                  7. Revival
                    Revival 26 January 2021 19: 30
                    +4
                    Yes, I have no more questions
                  8. HaByxoDaBHocep
                    HaByxoDaBHocep 28 January 2021 02: 12
                    0
                    You want to say that the tsar is good, these are bad boyars?
      4. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 14: 20
        +12
        Quote: Finches
        and do not give up respect if he makes some mistakes in life!

        No mistakes for myself ... It was his team that decided, and he signed that it was enough for ordinary citizens:
        From 2021, the subsistence minimum (PM) for the country and regions is calculated according to the new rules. The corresponding the law was signed by the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin at the end of December. Previously, the subsistence minimum was calculated based on the indicators of the consumer basket, and from 2021 it is determined as a part of the average per capita income of citizens.
        From January 1, 2021, the subsistence minimum is 11 653 rubles, for the working-age population - 12 702 rubles, for children - 11 303 ruble, for pensioners - 10 022 rubles.

        Yes, this is the apotheosis of "thoughts" about the people:
        Federal Law of October 3, 2018 No. 350-FZ "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation on the Issues of Appointment and Payment of Pensions"
        XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
        President of the Russian Federation V.Putin
        There are mistakes who argue. Only the price of errors is different. It happens:
        The President signed a law to increase the personal income tax rate to 15% on incomes over 5 million rubles

        And these, who were assigned a living wage of 11 rubles, believe that the personal income tax rate should be increased to 653%: for incomes over 35 million rubles - 1%, more than 15 million rubles - 3%, more than 20 million rubles - 5 %, over 25 million rubles - 10%, and over 30 million rubles (that's 20 living wages !!!) - 2%. Maybe then they will eat less or appetites will die down? Therefore, people have the idea that:
      5. Finches
        Finches 26 January 2021 14: 29
        -12%
        For me personally, VVP fulfilled all its promises hi
      6. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 16: 00
        +8
        Especially for retirement age! good
      7. Finches
        Finches 26 January 2021 16: 23
        -13%
        In my opinion - I did it! hi
      8. Revival
        Revival 27 January 2021 13: 39
        +2
        Funny)))))
        Are you a robot? Well, admit it!
        "As long as I am president, the retirement age will not be raised."
        "I am the president signed the law on raising the retirement age, please treat with understanding."
        ))) done !!!
  • Revival
    Revival 26 January 2021 13: 18
    +14
    Did ebn sell his homeland at that moment?
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 13: 20
      +1
      He started selling it back in the Sverdlovsk regional committee!
      1. Revival
        Revival 26 January 2021 13: 35
        +6
        Here! And where have you been with your oath?
        Here is a person harming your Motherland, here is an oath, and? ..
        Selectively?

        "I love my Motherland, and I don't care who is in the Kremlin, I evaluate them by their actions!"
        I hated and hate Yeltsin. "

        And what was the help to the Motherland from your silent hatred?

        "but he gave the oath to the Motherland, so he served and fulfilled his duties, as he understood them, after all, the boys were not to blame for my submission ... I had to return them to their mothers, but I also had to fulfill the task!"

        And ebn marotori entered into the 1st Chechen, which prevented you "I had to return them to their mothers, but also to complete the task!"

        But, you silently continued, "therefore I served and fulfilled my duties."

        And he was selling his homeland ...

        I don't blame you, everything is clear here ..
        But, there is no need for national pathos, it looks far-fetched.

        Your position, even with the best of intentions, as we found out on the example with ebn, allows you to sell your homeland past you
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 13: 38
          -2
          Are you familiar with the word "Order"? And all the boys who served under my leadership returned all the healthy mothers ... And you know, I did not pay much attention to this, but after years, having already retired, I became proud of it ... After all, then I was of this importance And I myself did not understand! I myself only only realized that my father himself ... And then my children were asleep, came, they were already asleep ... And now, the eldest, but she is already big - I want to express my civic position! And I am a fool! (a bit wrong, of course)! But he also did not bring up ... Someone else's children were brought up, but she is not there! Paradox! But this is the essence of the Oath!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 13: 52
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            Are you familiar with the word "Order"? And all the boys who served under my command returned all the healthy mothers ...

            You have done your duty well, you have something to be proud of, I am glad for you (no kidding). But the question is, what are they proud of? Just no need to talk about the 90s, in principle, nothing has changed since then, as they were a semi-colony of the West, and have remained.
          2. Finches
            Finches 26 January 2021 14: 02
            -4
            Everything is empty - "Everyone will choose for himself, a woman, a religion, a road.
            Serve the devil or a prophet, everyone chooses for himself ...! "
        2. Revival
          Revival 26 January 2021 13: 55
          +4
          Yes, here I am not arguing with you, this is a big, very important matter, worthy of great gratitude.

          The question is that if everyone takes such a position, namely, it turns out "my business is small, I do my job and okay", and even propagandize it, then at one point it may become clear that your position, even with the best intentions, allows past you to sell the homeland, and those who wish with such uncontrollability will be found.

          Well, as we found out on the example with ebn, this is not speculative reasoning, but it happened to you.
          And this is despite the fact that by his actions, with such passive non-resistance, the result of both the services and work of many millions of people was nullified.
          Therefore, your position is understandable, but clearly does not deserve to be presented as the only true and role model.
        3. Revival
          Revival 26 January 2021 13: 58
          +3
          The essence of the oath is to fight against the enemies of the state and the people, internal and external.
          And yes, not only by order, but what if ordered not to fight?
          That we immediately surrender or pretend that this is not the right situation?

          Although controversy here is a waste of time
        4. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 14: 08
          +2
          Not. In the army, the essence of the Oath is to fight an external foe ... but sometimes without an army and inside it will not cope! Which is not entirely true, but in the case of Chechnya it was justified - there were already Anglo-Saxons! Although Yeltsin, a stupid traitor, deliberately substituted the army!
        5. Revival
          Revival 26 January 2021 15: 25
          +5
          "No. In the army, the essence of the Oath is to fight an external foe."

          Well then, an example of behavior for an article on external
  • Finches
    Finches 26 January 2021 14: 00
    0
    The main thing here for me personally is that I did not sell it ... And I do not sell it!
    1. Revival
      Revival 26 January 2021 14: 16
      +4
      Well, there can be no subject of dispute here
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 26 January 2021 14: 34
    +1
    It was still not enough for a soldier to choose a president or another political power with arms in hand and decide for himself where the good or bad are, I will serve this or that at any time. Against Zyablintsev you carry all sorts of nonsense. How he had the patience for you is amazing.
    1. Revival
      Revival 26 January 2021 15: 04
      +4
      Well, we didn't ask you, thanks for writing, "your call is very important to us ..."
    2. Revival
      Revival 26 January 2021 15: 28
      +5
      Here, as you obviously did not notice, the emphasis was not on the soldier, but on the citizen with the position "I am doing my job, but what is up there is not my business", for a citizen the position is irresponsible and clearly cannot be an example for imitation, which he proved
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 26 January 2021 16: 14
      +2
      30 calendars in the army this school.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 13: 24
    +10
    Quote: Finches
    I love the Motherland, and I do not care who is in the Kremlin, I evaluate them by their actions!

    I love my homeland the same, but I do not care who is in the Kremlin.
    Quote: Finches
    And the Supreme, who is the GDP, I have respected since 2000 and you cannot change my respect by verbiage, because I respect for the cause!

    I had the same respect for him before, somewhere until 2015-16. And today I have a lot of questions for him that he does not plan to answer. And I like his deeds less and less, but I do not forget for a moment that he is only a "public spokesman for the interests of the ruling class," that is, all the Potanins, Chubais, Grefs, Deripasoks and other "best people." Therefore, replacing Putin with "Pupkin" will not change anything at all.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 26 January 2021 16: 24
      +3
      Therefore, replacing Putin with "Pupkin" will not change anything at all.
      Well, except that they will begin to rob us even more and crush the juices. And so, yes, you are absolutely right.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 16: 43
        +9
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Well, except that they will begin to rob us even more and crush the juices. And so, yes, you are absolutely right.

        But there is one more thing here that should not be forgotten. On their own, events tend to go from bad to worse (Murphy's Laws). There is no reason to believe that everything is over, everything is just beginning. The pressure from both the outside and the inside will only grow. None of us can stand aside.
    2. Achilles
      Achilles 26 January 2021 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      I love my homeland the same, but I do not care who is in the Kremlin.

      The Ukrainians also believed so, but in the end, some Aligarhs replaced other Aligarhs, hoping for a bright future.
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      There is no reason to believe that everything is over, everything is just beginning. The pressure from both the outside and the inside will only grow. None of us can stand aside.

      You are right, and that is why at this point in time it does not matter who is in the Kremlin, it is necessary to prevent the revolution that the West is stirring up under various pretexts, we can generally screw up the country like in 1991
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 20: 45
        +4
        Quote: Achilles
        The Ukrainians also believed so, but in the end, some Aligarhs replaced other Aligarhs, hoping for a bright future.

        Yes, this must be remembered. Navalny will come, we will get a new privatization and also de-communization, according to the Ukrainian model, there will be our own nationalist Black Hundreds. The same should not be allowed.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 22: 39
        +3
        Quote: Achilles
        You are right, and that is why at this point in time it does not matter who is in the Kremlin, it is necessary to prevent the revolution that the West is stirring up under various pretexts, we can generally screw up the country like in 1991

        A dangerous delusion, a revolution is not brought from outside, it is created by the authorities themselves. After all, it was not Navalny who raised the retirement age, "optimized" medicine and made other equally "wise" decisions. And if it goes on as this hour goes on, then we will inevitably ruin the country and wither. Already today there are serious tendencies towards regional separatism, today they are barely visible, but tomorrow, if the Moscow bourgeoisie continue to squeeze business from the regional bourgeoisie, how do you think it will end?
  • dauria
    dauria 26 January 2021 15: 59
    +10
    , I hated and hate Yeltsin, but I gave the oath to the Motherland, therefore I served and fulfilled my duties


    Zyablitsev, are you at least completely honest with yourself? In the 90s, someone left, leaving both seniority and career. Someone stayed because it was already a pity to quit. Or there was no place to return - neither relatives, nor an apartment in a small homeland.
    Yes, and they threw something not out of lofty motives, but in a simpler way - "It's enough, but there is not a fig ahead, there is only dregs even at the top." And they did not abandon their homeland - the military commissar could always find them.
    It is only later that a person comes up with a beautiful reason for himself. And what he left, and what remained. For himself, for conscience. And he believes in it himself.
    I didn’t see one thing - that someone in that turbidity of 90-92 would immediately figure it out and immediately say to himself (not to those around him, but to himself), “I’m here, grow up yours, I’ll die, but I will stay for the sake of the country. Doesn't smell real.
    But you were for Yeltsin when he overthrew Gorbach. What's wrong ?
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 16: 28
      -9
      No! Not so ... But you won't believe me - I have never even voted for him! In 1996 I went to vote for Zyuganov, I was naive, but he betrayed me ... Since then I don't go to the polls anymore! But Uncle Vova - since 2000, personally, he did not disappoint me, although my mother made mistakes, do not worry, so the KGB nickname - what to take from them ... nevertheless!
      1. dauria
        dauria 26 January 2021 16: 35
        +9
        In 1996 he went to cast a vote for Zyuganov,

        Do not play around. By the 96th, everyone saw the light. And I was already for the communists. I am asking about that time when the State Emergency Committee "swan lake" was spinning. When "Boris, you're wrong." When Gorbach is already in the liver, and Boris is on the subway and is against privileges. Only in conscience, for whom? I'm a fool, for Borya ... So think about it.
    2. RitaNik
      RitaNik 27 January 2021 12: 08
      0
      Thank you sincerely for your honest comment. Indeed, the hypocritical pathos is already disgusting.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 26 January 2021 16: 17
    +1
    Orbachev personally would have shot, the hand would not have trembled, I hated and hate Yeltsin, but I gave the oath to the Motherland, so I served and performed my duties, as I understood them, after all, the boys are not to blame for my submission ...
    Eugene, did you start serving in the USSR?
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 16: 38
      -2
      No! I'm young - from the CIS laughing But I still gave the oath to the Union, but literally immediately the CIS oath appeared - few people remember it now - there was such a period in our country! So I went through many states - the USSR, the CIS, Russia! laughing
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 26 January 2021 16: 41
        0
        What year was the oath taken?
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 16: 46
          0
          And what is there to hide - in 1992!
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 26 January 2021 16: 50
            -1
            Then I will not ask a question - I have disappeared. Sorry to bother you.
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 26 January 2021 20: 12
        0
        Quote: Finches
        but literally immediately the CIS oath appeared - few people remember it now

        This is why they do not remember, since this oath was a fiction, namely the CIS, I only learned from your comment that such an oath really existed.
        And why? - for those who at the time of the collapse of the Union were serving in Russia, there was no need to take such an outlandish oath, the old Soviet oath was valid.
        The situation was worse for those who found themselves outside of Russia.
        I (surname, name, patronymic), entering military service, swear allegiance to the people (state name...)
        Well, then the commotion began.
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 20: 58
          +1
          You're right! But there was such an oath, unfortunately! hi
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 26 January 2021 21: 02
            +2
            Yes, I looked at the entire text, who wrote, why and for whom - no one knows.
            At the time of publication of the text of this oath of the CIS, except that they did not openly beat each other, the alleged soldiers of the CIS
          2. Finches
            Finches 26 January 2021 21: 10
            0
            But a generation of children passed through it, who, being drafted in 93, at the beginning of 94, were the first to enter the first Chechnya, saving Russia from collapse ... Few people think about this fact!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 13: 55
    +7
    Quote: Finches
    That's right, so you don't confuse horseradish with a tram handle!

    You can say this to this aunt:
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 14: 20
      -13%
      Why is this litter here, literally and figuratively ??
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 15: 21
        +15
        Quote: Finches
        Why is this litter here, literally and figuratively ??

        Have mercy! Do you have a memory like a DORI fish?
        Quote: Finches
        Homeland - it just is and owes you nothing, she has already done everything, she gave birth to you!

        Yours? Or do you, as a former battalion commander, do not tolerate objections from below? As you wrote, so I answered you.
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 15: 23
          -14%
          The litter is western, and even Belarusian here, please explain?
          1. Revival
            Revival 26 January 2021 15: 51
            +14
            Well, in general, this is a Russian "official" part of that very state, it is also supposed to love him according to you, or at least not to resist
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 16: 04
            +8
            Quote: Finches
            and there is also a Belarusian

            Zhenya, it says whose bedding is. And she is not from Belarus, but from United Russia! wink
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 January 2021 16: 31
              -9
              Ah! Poor fellow ... laughing
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 16: 49
                +9
                If you have confused a pro-Putin official with Tikhonovskaya, then it is understandable why Putin's failures seem to be breakthroughs to you! wassat
              2. Finches
                Finches 26 January 2021 16: 51
                -10%
                Yes, I don't care - I didn’t confuse me - I’m like Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan need to be annexed to Russia, even if Uncle Vova, in his moral and business qualities, is quite capable of making such a political step by force - there are no other candidates besides him!
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 16: 54
                +12
                I would be capable - in Donbass I would not include the back.
              4. Finches
                Finches 26 January 2021 17: 10
                -6
                There are questions for him ... I don't argue!
              5. ALARI
                ALARI 27 January 2021 14: 05
                -2
                There is a Russian proverb. He piss in the eyes, and he is God's dew for you.
            2. pro100y.belarus
              pro100y.belarus 26 January 2021 20: 47
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I would be capable - in Donbass I would not include the back.

              At least - the capture of empty Mariupol with the escaped power and, accordingly, access to the sea. But...
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 16: 57
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            I like - Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan need to be annexed to Russia, at least by force

            How do you imagine that? Just out of curiosity?
          4. Finches
            Finches 26 January 2021 17: 09
            -4
            Bring in troops and how could it be otherwise !!!
          5. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 17: 54
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            Bring in troops and how could it be otherwise !!!

            Do you think this will support the population of Russia? Do you think this will be supported by the population of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan? Or will you say that some permissible percentage of them will die, and what a fool with them? I understand that you think like a military man, that war is inevitable losses, but half of the country has relatives in these countries. Only in a peaceful way. And this can happen only when Russia becomes more attractive for these countries. That is, everything again depends on the economy.
          6. Finches
            Finches 26 January 2021 17: 55
            -4
            This will be supported not only by the majority of the population of Russia, but also by Ukraine and Kazakhstan!
          7. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 18: 11
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            This will be supported not only by the majority of the population of Russia, but also by Ukraine and Kazakhstan!

            The power scenario will definitely not support it.
      2. ALARI
        ALARI 27 January 2021 14: 06
        -1
        Are you going to lead a dick?
  • Revival
    Revival 26 January 2021 13: 03
    +17
    That's absolutely right!
    "state", cleverly tries to equalize / replace the concept of love / hatred for the Motherland, the state, His Excellency.
    They say you don’t love His Excellency, everyone is a traitor to the Motherland.
    A tricky move, but primitive ..
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 13: 06
      +10
      Quote: Revival
      They say you don’t love His Excellency, everyone is a traitor to the Motherland.
      A tricky move, but primitive ..

      For that effective, because the level of education has fallen dramatically. How many people know today even about formal logic?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 26 January 2021 13: 25
    -4
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    One should not confuse love for the Motherland and love for His Excellency.

    Tell me honestly, does someone make you or your loved ones do it?
    Why then a speculative statement, implying that we are supposedly imposed on love for Putin? I personally do not care if he will be chosen again or not. But what I know for sure is that all the dreams of our "oppositionists" will never come true by them, and who will replace Putin is unlikely to create for you the society you dream of. It will be worse - this is the end for us the time of at least some current stability in society, and then the leaders of the "Maidan with Manezhnaya" will quickly remind you of how "good" we lived under Yeltsin.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 14: 01
      +1
      Quote: ccsr
      Tell me honestly, does someone make you or your loved ones do it?

      Well first, it was written in response to this
      Quote: Finches
      but in terms of love for the Motherland, she has no Motherland!

      It was about youth.
      Quote: ccsr
      I personally do not care if he will be chosen again or not.

      I don’t. But the point is not in him, but in the system that gave birth to him.
      Quote: ccsr
      But what I know for sure is that all the dreams of our "oppositionists" will never come true by them, and who will replace Putin is unlikely to create for you the society you dream of.

      And I know that. But this is not about that. And about the fact that what we now call a state is an anti-people education.
      Quote: ccsr
      It will be worse - this is the end for us the time of at least some current stability in society, and then the leaders of the "Maidan with Manezhnaya" will quickly remind you of how "good" we lived under Yeltsin.

      So you need to do so that this does not happen. Make sure that these "navalnata" are in the minority at the protest, then there will be no provocations towards the police officers and there will be an absolutely peaceful action, with different slogans. Is there anything wrong with that?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 26 January 2021 14: 18
        -6
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        I don’t. But the point is not in him, but in the system that gave birth to him.

        So you or your parents gave birth to this system - to yourself and make claims.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        It was about youth.

        There were no smart youth there - just regular city madmen, and other lumpen. As far as I know, from the correspondence with the parents of the 2019 school year, none of the student children was even going to go to the center, and these are Muscovites.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And about the fact that what we now call a state is an anti-people education.

        Under the tsar there was an anti-people state, under the Bolsheviks there was an anti-people, now again an anti-people state - and why then did the people defend it in two world wars, and even brought it out of the post-war devastation, after the civil and nineties years. Can you give you another globe so that you would find a new Russia there?
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Make sure that these "navalnata" are in the minority at the protest,

        So they are already in the minority - it is obvious, why stir up hysteria around them, stirring up interest in them?
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        and there will be an absolutely peaceful action, with different slogans.

        What will such a demonstration give you personally - for what purpose is it necessary to hold it now?
    2. Revival
      Revival 26 January 2021 14: 04
      +7
      That is, do you think that it cannot be better with the current ones?
      Russia, in your opinion, has reached its peak, everything will turn out worse and it will be necessary, because no one is eternal, but they are not capable of the best?
      Well, so-so scenario ..
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 26 January 2021 14: 23
        -9
        Quote: Revival
        That is, do you think that it cannot be better with the current ones?

        It couldn't be better under capitalism. So be glad that our Russian capitalism originated from Soviet society, and retained some of the social gains of the past. There is no such thing in the West for a long time.
        Quote: Revival
        Russia has reached its peak,

        Do not confuse the economic situation of the country with the humanization of our society - with the growth of the economy, our people are more and more deserted, and this is a fact. We watched TV for a long time, I hope you know who fucks with whom?
        Quote: Revival
        but are not capable of the best?

        Capable, I hope so. But not right now.
      2. Vlad world
        Vlad world 26 January 2021 16: 19
        -1
        Sorry to wedge myself in, but there is an expression - the best is the enemy of the good.
        Many do not understand this - especially women trying to remake men.
        You just ask for something - just that you and others like you be offered a good mustache on a platter with a blue border. And what did you and similar demanding people do - cleaned or ennobled the courtyard near the house, put a horizontal bar for the guys and so on and so forth. And demand. I've known some - so fiercely scolded illegal immigrants from Asia, because their boy almost suffered from them. But the most interesting thing is that they rented an apartment to the same people from Asia. Loot is loot. These are the quirks.
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 26 January 2021 18: 11
        -2
        Quote: Revival
        That is, do you think that it cannot be better with the current ones?

        I believe that now in our country there are no people who are able to unite our society, which means that everything that empty-handed people like Navalny are doing now will not lead to anything good. And I am sure of that.
        Quote: Revival
        Russia has reached its peak,

        No, there is no peak now, but there is confidence that the current government will at least not hand over the country to international capital for plunder. Our oligarchs are very greedy to admit transnational corporations to the trough, because they are not allowed anywhere. That is why they will defend the interests of Russia, if only because their capital will be reliably protected only here.
        Quote: Revival
        but are not capable of the best?

        In 1991, our God-bearing people have already shown what they are capable of. I don't want to see this anymore ...
        Quote: Revival
        Well, so-so scenario ..

        The scenario is usual, based on the fact that we have too many enemies and no one will let us live in peace. That is why now we do not need to engage in contemplation of our navel and search for divine justice - there is none in the world ...
        1. Revival
          Revival 26 January 2021 18: 51
          +3
          "but there is confidence that the current government at least will not hand over the country to international capital for plunder. Our oligarchs are very greedy."

          As greedy as the "mermaid"?
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 26 January 2021 18: 59
            -4
            Quote: Revival
            As greedy as the "mermaid"?

            And what happened to the mermaid "if you consider that he is on our territory, and the power plants are also ours?
            1. ALARI
              ALARI 27 January 2021 14: 12
              -1
              It develops our resources, pollutes our territory, and all the profits go to someone, the United States. That's what's wrong.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 27 January 2021 18: 31
                -1
                Quote: ALARI
                Develops our resources

                In fact, bauxites are coming from Africa. Our electricity comes from a power plant, and it does not pollute anything, although the enterprise itself certainly brings some harm, but we can control the treatment facilities, and it depends on us.
                Quote: ALARI
                and all the profits go to someone-USA.
                I don't know that, and you hardly know what gets to whom from the profit. But they pay us taxes - that's for sure, i.e. the state has a decent profit from this production.
                Quote: ALARI
                That's what's wrong.

                AvtoVAZ maintains assembly plants in Ukraine - it turns out and we do this in relation to third countries. What's wrong here?
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 14: 24
      +8
      Quote: ccsr
      Tell me honestly, does someone make you or your loved ones do it?

      I'll tell you honestly:
      Me and my loved ones are forced to live by laws that they themselves do not live by.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 26 January 2021 18: 15
        -2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Me and my loved ones are forced to live by laws that they themselves do not live by.

        Those who are chosen by our people make it so. Are you against the people's choice? Offer a realistic alternative rather than initiating a storm in a glass of water. At least this is better than constantly crying about what a bad power we have and waiting for someone to change it.
    4. Revival
      Revival 27 January 2021 14: 29
      +1
      "Why then a speculative statement implying that we are supposedly imposed on love for Putin?"

      Why, at least try not to respect, learn about the new law "on disrespect"
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 27 January 2021 18: 39
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        Why, at least try not to respect, learn about the new law "on disrespect"

        I can generally ignore both him and his entourage - since our people want to live with him, then I do not care both he and those who choose him, so the law does not matter to me either. What does the law of "disrespect" threaten you personally if you wipe your ass with a newspaper with a photograph of Putin?
  • Civil
    Civil 26 January 2021 12: 54
    +14
    1. Ah, that's who is to blame, the damned West, to which Moscow sells all the resources, where the children of the elite study and live.
    2. There is no increase in prices for food, gasoline and utilities (there is generally no trash).
    3. There is no crisis, falling ruble, falling income.
    4. Thousands of dissatisfied people must be punished. Then everyone will be happy.
    I knew it. The people are lying, not the TV.
    Questions: Who made a sacrifice of the regime out of the klonun, and why?
    How did the West raise people in Cherepovets and Kostroma?
    Why did the security forces refuse to obey?
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 12: 55
      -19%
      So you do not love your homeland, but money ... laughing It happens!
      1. Civil
        Civil 26 January 2021 13: 01
        +9
        Quote: Finches
        So you do not love your homeland, but money ... laughing It happens!

        And you are bad propaganda articles laughing would not be too lazy to write it yourself, since you have no normal authors there) and you are a plus from me for your efforts)
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 13: 06
          -3
          Yes, I have no time to write. Ate ate on my scientific topics I manage to write reports, but I completely abandoned my hobbies, literary stories ... Although I can express myself in the comments on VO until they are banned for a couple of months, I have time ... Thank you for the "plus"! hi
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 14: 29
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            Ate ate on my scientific topics I have time to write reports

            Just write "barely", otherwise we thought that you are again about the "zhrachka" or about how EBN "sold" the Motherland in the Sverdlovsk Regional Committee ... laughing
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 January 2021 14: 31
              -6
              This is a fertile topic, but, unfortunately, I have a different area of ​​interest! laughing
    2. matross
      matross 26 January 2021 14: 46
      +2
      Quote: Civil
      Why did the security forces refuse to obey?

      This is a lie, citizen. This was not the case anywhere in the country.
    3. Airdefence_107
      26 January 2021 17: 49
      -1
      Of course, all color coups have internal prerequisites. True, these premises are based on problems that are everywhere and always. But these problems can be exploited in different ways: either for the development of the country (constructive dialogue), or for its destruction (naked protest).
  • VORON538
    VORON538 26 January 2021 13: 01
    +13
    By the way, in the article about cheating "likes" on the Internet
    Several years ago, elections to the State Duma were held, an Internet vote was held on one of the Amur media resources ... Yes, at first everything went smoothly, especially since there was no candidate from United Russia, oddly enough. The main struggle was between two candidates, from the Liberal Democratic Party and KPRF. Not only that absolutely all forum threads were filled with bots from one of the parties, somehow at night (at work at night I can't sleep) I noticed an interesting thing: on this very resource, on the so-called "voting", there was a cheat of votes for a candidate from of the same party, whose bots have been working on the forum for a week. I made several screenshots, as a result of the flaring scandal, the "voting" was taken like "for technical reasons" (for which you can say thank you to me too). - votes and other likes. I don’t need to tell me about the degree of protection, everything is bypassed if desired. By the way, the candidate for whom they cheated won the election. Now he is sitting in the State Duma. Although he was an outsider before the markups. Believe it or not. ... But this party often supports the United Russia, being oppositional only formally, and that uncle has a nephew in the Senate!
    1. Airdefence_107
      26 January 2021 18: 04
      0
      Internet polls are of no scientific value. There is no trivial representation. Even if you completely de-anonymize the network, the audience will still be very different depending on the site, social network, public, etc. + A political asset that will fill the space according to clear instructions.
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 26 January 2021 13: 18
    +15
    Quote: Finches
    "We want change ..." - Debi. ly !!!!

    I have read the article. Personally, I got the impression that the author, as a min member of the EP party and an employee of the 1st channel. Probably fulfilling the order of the Kremlin propagandists.
    For the main goal is the elections this fall, as well as the presidential elections in Russia in 2024.

    How are "edrosy" afraid to fly? laughing Losing the majority in the Duma to enforce anti-popular laws is a problem for the current government. Author, do not worry so, yet "
    Pamfilovs "are at the head of the Central Election Commission and there is electronic voting, 70-80 percent Edro will" pick up ". laughing
    And the majority of Russians saw the true face of "navalism".

    By the way, this majority has long felt on their own skin and wallet the face of "Putinism"!
    I organically hate Navalny, but the current government, with its "reforms", impunity, corruption, and plundering of Russia's bowels, gives rise to this "Navalnism."
    Maybe we heard explanations from the authorities about where Medvedev's palace came from, we heard who financed the construction, from what funds, who has it on the balance sheet, who owns it, etc. ???
    Probably I should believe Peskov's bleating on the air when he made excuses for the Guarantor.
    Peskov's wife is an American citizen, like Jr. child. Elders, citizens of Europe, and he, I note, is a bearer of state. secrets.
    Yes! People want change! WE WANT CHANGE !!!
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 13: 27
      -9
      So vote against, who is stopping you, and then as the elections, then no one goes to them, the opposition, so-called, in the Maldives ... is warming my ass ... Here I am, a supporter of Putin, I don’t go to the elections on principle, You, opponents of Putin, why do not go to the polls ??
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 26 January 2021 13: 36
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        So vote against, who is stopping you, and then as the elections, then no one goes to them, the opposition, so-called, in the Maldives ... is warming my ass ... Here I am, a supporter of Putin, I don’t go to the elections on principle, You, opponents of Putin, why do not go to the polls ??

        I am not personally against Putin. I am opposed to the model of government that he "built" for himself and his "friends".
        Why do you think that I do not go? "Against all" was removed long ago, but the choice, alas, is not great, a continuous "opposition" in the person of the "zyuganozhirimironovs", a kind of irreplaceable, lured opposition. laughing
        "
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 14: 03
          -3
          And what do you propose? Go to the polls yourself, what is the problem?
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 26 January 2021 14: 13
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            And what do you propose? Go to the polls yourself, what is the problem?

            I already answered you.
            Why do you think that I do not go?

            I went, voted for Putin, and immediately received 5 years to retire, like millions of his voters. It turned out that the Germans were to blame, not the liberoids led by EBN, but the Germans. laughing
            It's good that they are not Tatar-Mongols!
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 January 2021 14: 27
              -7
              And that, 5 years is a natural component of capitalism ... After all, this is the economy-Russia, displacement by sanctions on the sidelines of the economy and these 5 years allow you to maintain a minimum level of social support or you need to sell to the IMF, like in 90 or Ukraine today ... ... Or - a social revolution, a change in the political and economic formation, with the change of private property to public property! Are you ready for a revolution?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 January 2021 15: 28
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                or you need to sell to the IMF, like in 90 or Ukraine today ...

                MOSCOW, May 19 - RIA Novosti. The Russian authorities should raise the retirement age, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) believes.
                https://ria.ru/20170519/1494695292.html
                This is from 2017.
                Quote: Finches
                5 years allow you to maintain a minimum level of social support

                What other level? After forty, work is hard, and after 60 in general ...
              2. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 27 January 2021 17: 08
                0
                All one hundred% agree with you. Here I read your comments ... everything is consistent and logically accurate. And you only put the minuses because there is nothing to fend off! It seems that you are opposed by the modern Intellectual youth. Well, there is somewhere an adult sensible idea from your opponents, but in total it is not that. Plus to you.
            2. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 26 January 2021 14: 47
              -4
              I went, voted for Putin, and immediately got 5 years to retire,


              You would have received them even if Lenin had stood up and won. Or Trump. (choose).
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 January 2021 15: 29
                +4
                Quote: Interlocutor
                You would have received them even if Lenin had stood up and won. Or Trump.

                Justify.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 14: 11
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        So vote against, who is stopping you, but then how the elections, ...

        You try to go to the polls as an observer for the opposition party, for the Communist Party, at least. You may not vote for them, but as an honest and principled person, you will learn a lot of interesting things about our elections.
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 January 2021 14: 33
          -7
          I am not a supporter of democracy in general, I am for totalitarianism. Uncle Vova pulls the cart in this regard and everything suits me!
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 27 January 2021 17: 09
            0
            laughing and it will be like Stirlitz on a train with a general .... "the more democracy we have ...."?
      3. Revival
        Revival 26 January 2021 14: 12
        +9
        It's funny about the elections.

        When a candidate is removed allegedly because of a different signature, a person comes to the court who put this signature, declares, yes, I signed for this candidate, I confirm that I support him, and the expert says no, this is not him, and the judge, you see, do not your signature, goodbye
      4. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 14: 32
        +9
        Quote: Finches
        So vote against, who is stopping you-but then as elections, then no one goes to them

        And then, as a vote, either on the knee, or on a stump, or on the trunk, or 10 days for the observers to "hang themselves" ...
  • ALARI
    ALARI 27 January 2021 13: 44
    0
    So where were all these patriots in the 90s, why weren't they taught to love HOMELAND, where? So I'll tell you the property of the USSR was divided, the factories, factories, open-pit mines, and now they all sit in the State Duma and the Federation Council and teach the unreasonable population how to love the MOTHERLAND. And some of them are ready to forgive everything to lie down if only they, and most importantly, I felt good.
  • Revival
    Revival 26 January 2021 12: 52
    +17
    They did not disappear anywhere, they removed another corrupt president and imprisoned him for 25 years.
    For example,
    Daughter of Park Chung Hee, President of South Korea in 1963-1979. Leader of the Senuri Party in 2004-2006 and 2011-2012.

    She was elected President of the Republic of Korea in the 2012 elections [4], took office on February 25, 2013. Presidential powers were suspended following an impeachment vote held on December 9, 2016 in the South Korean parliament. On March 10, 2017, the South Korean Constitutional Court unanimously upheld the impeachment, after which the president's powers were terminated. On March 30, 2017, she was arrested on charges of bribery, abuse of power, and the transfer of classified information to people who were not civil servants. [5] On April 6, 2018, she was sentenced by the first instance court to 24 years in prison and a fine of 18 billion won. Subsequently, during the re-examination of the case, the term was increased to 25 years, and the fine - to 20 billion won. [6]
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 26 January 2021 13: 12
    +18
    Quote: antivirus
    Where did the rebels of South Korea go?

    Well, when 3 out of the last 6 presidents are in prison, for corruption, and 1 more of that, himself, so as not to sit down, what's the point of rebelling? If the mechanism, albeit with a creak, but works?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 14: 34
      +9
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      If the mechanism, albeit with a creak, but works?

      yes
      This is what the Russians want: for the laws to work equally for everyone and for the country, and not for a group of persons exempted from responsibility.
      1. Vlad world
        Vlad world 26 January 2021 16: 31
        -7
        Want is not harmful. But show the country in which the laws work the same for all citizens. Even in the icon of the protesters, this is not the case.
        Singapore not to offer.
        1. pro100y.belarus
          pro100y.belarus 26 January 2021 21: 01
          -1
          Quote: Vlad-world
          But show the country in which the laws work the same for all citizens.

          And what, shouldn't we strive to make Russia the first?
          A rolling stone gathers no moss.
          1. Vlad world
            Vlad world 26 January 2021 23: 17
            0
            It is necessary to strive, but not instantly and immediately and now. What some suggest and on this aspiration-speculate. They demand allegorically - to take 9 women and give birth to a child in 1 month. But it doesn't work that way. Raise the statistics of the planting of functionaries for 25 years and you will see growth. And do not want to see how some is your problem. So the stone rises and the water begins to flow. If you want to quickly put the flag in your hands and act instead of demanding the result on a plate with a blue border. By the way, in the USSR there was no equality of citizens before the law. In general, this is a striving as a striving for the kingdom of God on a sinful earth or for communism. Which they promised to build. What a party.
  • nsm1
    nsm1 26 January 2021 12: 11
    +16
    About stupefaction, clip consciousness, I agree 100%.
    But this does not change the fundamental reasons for discontent - the continuing decline in living standards, etc.
    taking children out onto the streets in the coronavirus era
    And nothing that children don't get sick even according to the official version?
    We got it with our fakes, this virus in every hole!
    And other actions of the same mass scale are not expected in the near future. Steam has already been released
    And nothing close.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 January 2021 12: 36
      -1
      The standard of living is certainly an important thing, there is nothing to argue, but .... What is the significance of this concept in going out to the streets for young idiots, who do they need to support their families? Or does it matter for the insurgent militants, who are premeditated to commit a mess and pogroms? Or does it matter for our fifth column?
      I’ll tell you more, under no government, never and nowhere will you find people so that they are all happy with their lives. Remember the Tale of the Fisherman and the Goldfish. It's the truth of life.
      Therefore, everything is being done by the West to ditch and pull apart Russia. So draw your conclusions.
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 26 January 2021 12: 56
        +6
        Quote: Ros 56
        Therefore, everything is being done by the West to ditch and pull apart Russia.
        I do not intend to deny the obvious.
        But without internal prerequisites, all external propaganda and other measures of influence are useless.
        How did the USSR promote its propaganda in the United States?
        Actively, but to no avail at all.
        And now they talk about socialism, although there is no USSR.

        The current ruler has nothing to offer the people.
        The bright future is gone, only the glorious past remains.

        Here is the current government, etc. must remain in the past.
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              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 January 2021 15: 39
                +8
                Quote: Ros 56
                and people like you should not be put on a gold piece at least, so that people do not interfere with their lives. Because of the thieves to ruin the country, well, the dumbbells, the fifth column is felt.

                That is, those who are against thieves, the fifth column? Ikh ... belay
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 26 January 2021 16: 48
                  -4
                  Well, you at least read everything. The fifth column, which wants to destroy the country because of thieves. And they just need to be planted, which by the way is being done, though I would like to work more efficiently, here I am with both hands. But the collapse of the country is not a gateway. If you want to fight, go to the Donbass or Syria, and to fight at home is beyond the bounds.
            2. Finches
              Finches 26 January 2021 14: 35
              -10%
              Are you, agitating for the collapse of the country, in your mind? laughing
              1. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 27 January 2021 17: 14
                0
                Again a bunch of cons wink ... I say, people deprived of intelligence ... want to collapse .. I ask them for mercy to Ukraine, Two regions of Crimea and Donbass are lost ... and now "skip", see little lost.
        2. lucul
          lucul 26 January 2021 13: 18
          -7
          But without internal prerequisites, all external propaganda and other measures of influence are useless.

          Over the past 10 years, the Americans have poured $ 12 billion into the opposition to the Russian Federation. )))
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 26 January 2021 13: 18
            +5
            The USSR also supported fraternal parties for decades.
            And he achieved results, there was a whole second world.
            Where there is a measly $ 12 billion, really the world!
            But, I repeat - internal prerequisites are necessary, without them nowhere.
            1. lucul
              lucul 26 January 2021 13: 34
              -6
              Where there is a measly $ 12 billion, really the world!

              In the USSR, the printing press did not work without stopping, so the USSR could not throw that kind of money into EVERY country.
              1. nsm1
                nsm1 26 January 2021 13: 37
                +5
                Actually, the USSR was real powerful.
                And if there was a prospect, I would find a couple of tens of billions without question.
                Read how many debts of the USSR our duremar forgave.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 26 January 2021 13: 43
                  -4
                  Read how many debts of the USSR our duremar forgave

                  They forgiven a penny, just compare with the national debt of Poland alone.
                  And if there was a prospect, I would find a couple of tens of billions without question.

                  I could have found a couple of tens of billions of dollars one-time, but not permanently. Let me remind you that the budget deficit of the USSR at the time of the collapse was 500 billion full-weight Soviet rubles.
                  1. nsm1
                    nsm1 26 January 2021 13: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: lucul
                    There they forgiven a penny
                    Cuba forgiven more than 30 billion
                    That was the perspective and the result so far.
                    Quote: lucul
                    USSR budget deficit at the time of the collapse
                    Collapse is collapse ...
                    But before him the USSR existed for you know how long ...
                    It wasn't always like this.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 16: 20
            +6
            Quote: lucul
            Over the past 10 years, the Americans have poured $ 12 billion into the opposition to the Russian Federation. )))

            You can invest all the funds of the GVF in the opposition of Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, but you cannot arrange a revolution there.
            You did not understand, or deliberately ignored the main message - in a healthy social society, it is very difficult to arrange a revolution, no matter how much dough you allocate. But if the state is hammering a bolt on its own population, while changing yachts and palaces like gloves, then it will be guilty of the riot, and not "partners".
            1. lucul
              lucul 26 January 2021 16: 34
              -5
              You can invest all the funds of the GVF in the opposition of Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, but you cannot arrange a revolution there.

              Confident)))
              You did not understand, or deliberately ignored the main message - in a healthy social society, it is very difficult to arrange a revolution, no matter how much dough you allocate

              There are ALWAYS disaffected in any country. You take ambitious people, who have become second or third, and who are pushed away from the trough, promise them power.
              You can make a revolution in any country, provided that the government is not protected.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 16: 45
                +3
                You can add yeast to a barrel of clean water as much as you like, but nothing will work without sugar. It won't ferment, trust the old moonshiner. wink
                1. lucul
                  lucul 26 January 2021 17: 48
                  -1
                  You can add yeast to a barrel of clean water as much as you like, but nothing will work without sugar.

                  But in 1991 they did it.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 26 January 2021 18: 18
                    +1
                    In 91 there were prerequisites, there was a bias, from my point of view, created deliberately. And at the top.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 26 January 2021 12: 40
      +3
      Quote: nsm1
      About stupefaction, clip consciousness, I agree 100%.
      But this does not change the fundamental reasons for discontent - the continuing decline in living standards, etc.

      For this is a plus.
      Quote: nsm1
      And nothing that children don't get sick even according to the official version?
      We got it with our fakes, this virus in every hole!

      Is it okay that children are active carriers of the virus?
      Analogy - we got it by the inability to look beyond our own nose. yes
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 January 2021 14: 25
        +3
        Quote: Dym71
        Is it okay that children are active carriers of the virus?

        and nothing that the virus has to replicate causing the disease? The virus penetrating into the cell is freed from the membranes and the apparatus responsible for cell division begins to assemble other DNA strands of the virus, and the viral proteins necessary to build the virus envelope begin to be synthesized in the ribosomes. When the amount of virus in a cell exceeds a critical level, it is destroyed ... Usually this is a group of cells, inflammation, bleeding, a rejection reaction, etc. develops in the place of death of a group of cells .... - DISEASE! To be an active peddler you need to be sick. A child's body is usually more reactive to illness than an adult's. All these tales about coronavirus, about its unusualness, these are more journalistic ducks, speculation, and just misunderstandings.
        There is a disease, it has always been, this variant of the disease, apparently, has also been genetically modified. The difficulties of defeating the virus are political in nature.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 26 January 2021 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: aybolyt678
          - DISEASE! To be an active peddler you need to be sick. A child's body is usually more reactive to illness than an adult's.

          And what is the discrepancy in the case of asymptomatic, it seems that there will be more officially registered ones.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          There is a disease, it has always been, this variant of the disease, apparently, has also been genetically modified.

          I agree.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          The difficulties of defeating the virus are of a political nature.

          What other victory? The ancestors of COVID-19 are older than humanity.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 January 2021 14: 46
            +3
            Quote: Dym71
            What other victory? The ancestors of COVID-19 are older than humanity.

            there is a class of medicinal substances called "specific sera and immunoglobulins", what prevents them from being created? With the current technologies for producing antibodies, it was possible to provide all hospitals in the Russian Federation with immunoglobulin in 3 months and inject all patients. Do you know that in Italy there was not a single death in our military medical unit? it was the Chinese who sent the plane with the serum to Italy. The Italians disdained to use it, such as not all tests passed. And our military used it. These are ready-made antibodies !!!!
            about the victory, I meant the so-called pandemic
            And what is the discrepancy in the case of asymptomatic, it seems that there will be more officially registered ones.
            , that's just the point that you are tortured to get infected from an asymptomatic. He almost does not emit a virus ... it is necessary to kiss him passionately laughing
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 26 January 2021 15: 20
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              the fact of the matter is that you are tortured to get infected from the asymptomatic. He almost does not emit a virus ...

              Accepted, as amended:
              Mild cases of COVID-19 and symptoms that are atypical or not yet apparent.
    3. Vend
      Vend 26 January 2021 12: 58
      -8
      Quote: nsm1
      About stupefaction, clip consciousness, I agree 100%.
      But this does not change the fundamental reasons for discontent - the continuing decline in living standards, etc.
      taking children out onto the streets in the coronavirus era
      And nothing that children don't get sick even according to the official version?
      We got it with our fakes, this virus in every hole!
      And other actions of the same mass scale are not expected in the near future. Steam has already been released
      And nothing close.

      What other fall in life, do you live in a parallel world? Open your eyes.
    4. VORON538
      VORON538 26 January 2021 13: 04
      +1
      Children are sick. It was just that there were no tests in Blagoev during that period. When it all began in China. And the child still has a temperature of 37-37,5. For almost a YEAR of examinations, doctors have not found anything. What will this come back to in the future?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 January 2021 14: 52
        +3
        Quote: VORON538
        For almost a YEAR of examinations, doctors have not found anything. What will come back to haunt in the future?

        if not, why do you think it's a covid ??? it could be some kind of chroniosepsis, for example .. In private hospitals you will always be offered a bunch of tests, their task is not to cure, but to make the most of it. you just need a thinking doctor.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 26 January 2021 15: 34
          0
          Have passed all imaginable and inconceivable tests, all indicators are normal, the child goes in for sports / kickboxing /, nothing bothers her. But the temperature is there.
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    1. tatra
      tatra 26 January 2021 12: 33
      +10
      In assessing someone or something, it is not so much important WHAT they say and write, but WHO says and writes. And WHO, since Perestroika, has been malignant against the NKVD, casually, without the slightest evidence, declared ALL repressed for political reasons in the USSR "innocent victims"? And criminals, Russophobes, enemies of their country and people, the history of their country, who needed it to justify their capture of the USSR with the aim of plundering, robbing and genocide of the people.
    2. Finches
      Finches 26 January 2021 12: 51
      -6
      And what do you think of the men from the NKVD who met hordes of foreigners at their outposts on July 24, 1941, and almost all of them died, but they fulfilled their duty to the end, without retreating a step?
  • svoit
    svoit 26 January 2021 12: 19
    +13
    That is, it turns out that our social engineers are back in a puddle, there are massive protests in the United States, but they cannot shake the situation properly in order to bring it to some kind of color revolution, it's a shame ...
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 26 January 2021 12: 58
      -5
      Quote: svoit
      That is, it turns out our social engineers are back in a puddle

      The country is 30 years old, compared to the United States, our social engineering is in its infancy, and this is not our national fun - to rake in the heat with someone else's hands, although this is not the main thing, the main thing is that we do not have a unifying idea, a single vector, where we are moving, to what we strive, having a goal, we can afford not to waste on the sides, for the sake of momentary profit, which is often the state's sin.
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 26 January 2021 13: 10
        +6
        Quote: Dym71
        and it’s not our national fun - to rake in the heat with someone else's hands
        You said this as a praise.
        And I consider it inferior.
        In war as in war, everything is permissible.
        There is no deception, there is a military cunning.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 26 January 2021 13: 13
          +1
          Quote: nsm1
          And I consider it inferior.

          Not about this with me, but yes, fish without fish and cancer.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 26 January 2021 13: 06
      +17
      "Social Engineers" are elsewhere ... wink To me, my wife, a teacher, who managed to work in public and private and specialized schools, says that in the country the interest in learning and education has sharply, directly catastrophically dropped among young people. Moreover, for all groups of the population, both the low-middle-income and the fairly rich. To the teacher's questions: "Why didn't you prepare for the lessons? Why don't you listen in the classroom? Why do you skip? And so on," some answer like this: "Why do I need" knowledge "- I can read, write, I can count, and the rest is not needed ... to insert windows, to work at a construction site or to disfigure the integral-logarithms by the important method. And the rich say the same thing, but in a different way: “Why do I need knowledge? Pama-mom will always be attached .... "This is what the" social engineering "of the Kremlin spill has achieved - there are no social, professional elevators in the country that take into account the ethical and moral aspects and professionalism of those who are not dependent on the social-clan-marital status And it is the young people who first of all see, and not the popular parks "Patriot" ".... Probably, they come out to protest against this situation in the country ....
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 26 January 2021 13: 12
        +5
        There is meaning in the position of lazy people, life is simplified ...
        What will happen after basic income is scary to think about.
      2. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 26 January 2021 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: Snail N9
        To me, my wife, a teacher, who managed to work in public and private and specialized schools, says that in the country the interest in learning and education has sharply, directly catastrophically dropped among young people.

        Yesterday on TV about the reform of the exam. It will be taken only by those who decided to enter universities. 93% of schoolchildren chose it for this year. So much for your lack of craving for education.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 January 2021 12: 25
    +10
    Oh, why are we surprised girls? First, the institution of social education and moral and ethical norms of society was destroyed, followed by education. And in truth, why does the population or as the higher ones call it (would..lu always whining) all this? We are proudly building neo-feudal-estate-consuming ... dskoe society. So it grows active consumers, and they more and more resemble those gulls or lambs in the herd - one croaked, barked, the whole herd gagged, bleated and went where the security around the perimeter ordered. Convenient, efficient, cheap.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 January 2021 12: 28
    +6
    Who is to blame for the involvement of youth in empty protests?

    The answer is simple. Hype culture.

    It's not that simple .... the consequences can be the most unexpected or, on the contrary, quite expected!
    Those. we must carefully look at what measures are being taken, then at least something can be assumed.
    So, so far nothing constructive has been sounded and this is sad.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 12: 36
      +11
      Quote: rocket757
      Those. we must carefully look at what measures are being taken, then at least something can be assumed.

      What measures are being taken? They stole, they steal and will steal. And do not care about the rest, if only your belly was full, and there are more yachts. At the beginning of the last century, the same thing, only thought about their pockets.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 January 2021 13: 22
        +4
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What measures are being taken?

        The strangest thing is that not only "spiritualized" bloggers, but also quite serious people speak about the shoals that our government has made, but also quite serious people ... True, they celebrate EVERYTHING, as it is, achievements and shortcomings do not go unnoticed! The opinion of such people MUST BE LISTENED.
        Shoy, then there is no noticeable movement above !!! Well, these "servants of the people", yes, they come up with measures for protection or something else ... that's just the harm from these measures can be more than good !!!
        It’s not getting good looking at all this ... and yes, it’s a shame to hold it!
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 January 2021 14: 57
          +2
          Quote: rocket757

          It’s not getting good looking at all this ... and yes, it’s a shame to hold it!



          Here we can finish badly, that we will lose the state too ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 January 2021 15: 17
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            Quote: rocket757

            It’s not getting good looking at all this ... and yes, it’s a shame to hold it!



            Here we can finish badly, that we will lose the state too ...

            The loss of any part of the state is not good ... but when people lose faith, it is a disaster, when young people lose too, it is a disaster for the future.
            1. cniza
              cniza 26 January 2021 15: 59
              +2
              Young people want to hang out, they are always bored, and they use this ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 January 2021 16: 07
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                Young people want to hang out, they are always bored, and they use this ...

                Well, that is how they are ... we ourselves were just that, it was just THEN, the state taught, designated the correct guidelines for future life !!! It was not in vain.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 26 January 2021 16: 09
                  +3
                  That's right, but now the state has practically withdrawn itself, so we are reaping ...
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 January 2021 14: 38
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      So, so far nothing constructive has been sounded and this is sad.

      can only come from Putin constructively.
      99% of the people present at the rally, they do not need Navalny, they need a social perspective .. light Ideas in this dark world .. we scold the United States and ourselves, as their poor relatives in ideological terms, are the same consumers. Putin is now paying the price for covering the 90s liberals from nationalization. Such steps have been taken as a ban on accounts in foreign banks, on offshore, 15% tax on large incomes .... They are not satisfied with this. But ordinary people too !!! too little has been done for the sake of social justice.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 January 2021 15: 09
        0
        Quote: aybolyt678
        99% of the people present at the rally, they don't need Navalny, they need a social perspective ..

        That's right! There are even more .... "supporters" do not crawl out of the "web". Their ranks can be thinned out by a well-thought-out state, social policy, as well as other positive things, if / when it happens and is visible to all residents of the country!
        The younger generation perceives everything on emotions, hormones are chattering ... it is necessary to direct their energy into a creative channel and not formally, according to the order, and so that everyone would understand that this is for a long time, or better, forever.
    3. cniza
      cniza 26 January 2021 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: rocket757

      So, so far nothing constructive has been sounded and this is sad.


      It's not just sad, it's suicidal ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 January 2021 15: 18
        0
        Quote: cniza
        It's not just sad, it's suicidal ...

        So it is ... I can no longer imagine how you can not understand this.
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 January 2021 16: 00
          +3
          They seem to think that our age is enough for them, and after us ...
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 26 January 2021 12: 29
    0
    poisoned Navalny
    By the way! Few people know, but with the funds allocated for the liquidation of Holy Navalny, the corrupt FSB agents bought the expired Novichok from the hands of a stealing KGB warrant officer, and you know who the difference in funds is! So, thanks to corruption, once again the proponents were put to shame, and Alyoshenka continued to fight for glory Department of State holy truth! Amen sarcasm!
  • bar
    bar 26 January 2021 12: 34
    +7
    Who is to blame for the involvement of youth in empty protests?

    The bloody hand of the market is to blame. Schools no longer educate, but provide educational services. And parents have no time to deal with their children, loans / mortgages work off. So the non-whipped generation of the Unified State Exam, brought up by imported social networks, has grown up. recourse
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 January 2021 12: 35
    +9
    Interestingly, there are protests all over the world, only they are against kovidobism, and in Russia for Navalny.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 26 January 2021 12: 35
    +8
    Some unfinished article. Where in the end is the answer to the question "What to do?" Otherwise, throw wedges everywhere. Both the corrupt officials and the corrupt outside!
    Well, the author would write though - "We must support our President!" and basta
    1. Max Lebedev
      Max Lebedev 26 January 2021 14: 00
      +18
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      The author would write though - "We must support our President!" and basta

      What for? Ella Pamfilova is in her place, the required percentage is being fulfilled.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 26 January 2021 14: 38
        +2
        Quote: Max Lebedev
        What for? Ella Pamfilova is in her place, the required percentage is being fulfilled.

        For the integrity of the article! It is as if in a well-known anecdote where "You are all sodomites, and I" instead of "Dartanyan" there would be an ellipsis. Well, immediately the whole point is lost wassat
  • tatra
    tatra 26 January 2021 12: 39
    +8
    Unfortunately, without any social networks, back in Perestroika and the 90s, it immediately became clear - what a large number of people on the territory of the USSR who can be easily manipulated, zombified them, set on whom their puppeteers want, make them adore who the puppeteers want, and these zombies rushed to adore those who were pointed out by the puppeteers - Nicholas II, Stolypin, Bandera, Solzhenitsyn.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 26 January 2021 12: 58
      +6
      By the way, there were no Western social networks, and there were two programs on TV, and they were brainwashed quite well ... The people were shown who was to blame and what to do, and people were thrown under the tanks in a crowd. And in 1993 they hung in clusters on the railing of bridges and balconies, observing that there they have it .. smile and the question arises, when in the beginning it was all and demanded the fall of the Soviet power at the rallies of many thousands, how much did the Western special services pay them all for this? smile
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 January 2021 15: 47
        -1
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        The people were shown who was to blame and what to do, and people were flooded with a crowd to throw themselves under the tanks.

        We were shown Swan Lake.
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        And in 1993 they hung in clusters on the railing of bridges and balconies, watching what was happening there ..

        And someone did not observe, but shot the defenders of the White House.
  • Revival
    Revival 26 January 2021 12: 39
    +19
    What law will prohibit the following things observed by children:
    1) Various breakfasts in school canteens, for children whose parents cannot pay more, and some are even driven out of canteens!
    2) A beggarly moot from their own parents,
    3) a beggarly pension from their own grandparents,
    4) salary in conditionally 15000, which they see with their own eyes, and not at the Rosstat,
    5) majors in cars worth millions of rubles, as a rule, often children of officials,
    6) yachts, cottages, palaces, hypocrisy ...

    The author of this opus, what are you going to cover and explain to them !?
    They see all this, they cannot but see one, because they live with it, the other is stuck out for them (wealth), with the subtext "and you are a loser and a rogue" ...
    Are you going to agitate that this is the norm !?
    Will you offer to wait two or three lives !?

    And, just forbid to be indignant and that's it, of course ...

    You cannot suggest how to change for the better, you have no right to criticize.

    And if this is all normal for you, then the price is zero
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 26 January 2021 13: 16
      +7
      good The easiest way is to ban it! So or something like this, said the director of the censorship committee under Nicholas I
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 26 January 2021 14: 28
      -2
      what do they offer? so far, you only hear that you need to break it and offer nothing in return
    3. Airdefence_107
      26 January 2021 16: 29
      -5
      I will explain this to them and to you by social injustice, which indicates the imperfection of the state model and the modern market approach to the arrangement of life. How do I change this? In my opinion, only changing the mentality, clearly shaping the direction where we are going (and so yes, 2-3 lives may not even be enough), as well as close interaction with the authorities. There are enough mechanisms for the latter, but someone does not even have a desire to even try to coordinate a meeting ... In addition, the article dealt directly with attempts to rehearse a color coup and technologies for this. It was clearly indicated that there are problems in the country. The only difference is in the approach to them: to decide or use for their own purposes. If you yourself raised the topic of these 6 points, then now I am waiting for relevant proposals from you.
      1. Revival
        Revival 26 January 2021 19: 39
        +3
        Oh!
        "only by changing the mentality, clearly shaping the direction where we are going (and so yes, 2-3 life may not even be enough)".

        Thank you for writing off the lives of many millions so easily, but what they will tolerate, you must endure ...
        Clear.

        "as well as close interaction with the authorities. There are enough mechanisms for the latter, but someone has no desire to even try to coordinate a meeting ..."

        Is this humor about many interaction mechanisms?

        Yes, many are unsuccessfully trying to coordinate a rally, many, but few were able to do this, so to speak, it's not like holding a marathon when someone needs a marathon.
        Although if you get your idea that 2, 3 lives are not a pity, then, in principle, you can start coordinating a rally, and in which case, transfer the right of approval by inheritance ..

        Good advice ...
        1. Airdefence_107
          26 January 2021 21: 25
          -2
          "Thank you that you so easily wrote off the lives of many millions, but what they tolerate, they must endure ..."

          If you endure, then never at all.
      2. Revival
        Revival 26 January 2021 19: 47
        +3
        These 6 points were for an example, emphasizing that you went from the wrong side, dissatisfaction and people in the square are far from only that their "social networks are getting ridiculous", the root of the problem is what they see around them.
        And since you undertook to write an article with recipes, then
        so I asked how we will prohibit this, because they also come out because of this
        1. Airdefence_107
          26 January 2021 21: 24
          -2
          Not me. You entered from the other side. As if they forgot what politics is ...

          When analyzing any political events, it is always important to ask the main questions:

          “Who is behind this?

          Who is exercising?

          What methods?

          What is the result? "

          And only after a detailed analysis of these points can one begin to analyze the demands of the crowd, their timeliness and justification. Only in this case, the fourth point may not have to be analyzed after the fact, with horror and regret.
          1. Revival
            Revival 27 January 2021 02: 02
            +3
            the one who appoints such a shameful moot and pension.
            By the methods of laws.
            The result is sad.
  • Crowe
    Crowe 26 January 2021 12: 41
    +17
    elections this fall, as well as the presidential elections in Russia in 2024

    But you have to go to the polls, and not sit at home afterwards and with a feeling of deep satisfaction with yourself contemptuously sniff at the zombie box, from which the ruling party will broadcast about the next anti-people reform - "and I did not vote for them." Not to go to the polls is deliberate or unconscious work for the “edro” party, which is interested in a low turnout, so that stuffing can be carried out without fear of legal consequences for the forgers. An even greater gift is to spoil the ballots. People will sign for these ballots, and the counterfeiters will replace them with ballots marked for ER: No party will be able to control this, because the party of spoiled ballots does not participate in the elections. We have to fight for elections. Our self-elimination from the elections is the capitulation of the working people to the bourgeoisie.

    Bad authorities are elected by good citizens who do not vote. George Nathan
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 January 2021 13: 23
      +5
      Quote: Crowe
      Bad authorities are elected by good citizens who do not vote. George Nathan

      Vote or lose! I don’t think everyone has forgotten this slogan.


    2. populist
      populist 26 January 2021 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: Crowe
      We must fight for elections. Our self-elimination from elections is the capitulation of the working people to the bourgeoisie.

      Golden words good This is the only way to change the situation for the better.
      1. Revival
        Revival 26 January 2021 15: 10
        +4
        "Just don't throw me into the thorn bush" it reminds, with the current situation with the elections, although there is something in this
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 14: 46
      +4
      Quote: Crowe
      Bad authorities are elected by good citizens who do not vote.

      Exactly! It turns out that if citizens came to the elections in 2018, they would not have done the pension reform either ...
      I don't know who George Nathan is and what he said about the elections: he simply could not read when he said:
      Bad statesmen are elected by good citizens ... by not voting.

      But I myself heard them say:
  • don-1500
    don-1500 26 January 2021 12: 45
    +7
    France, Germany, Belarus, America, Russia, and many other places. There are riots and protests all over the world. What's happening? Who needs it? The established world order is in a fever.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 26 January 2021 12: 46
    -2
    Isn't it time to resume construction of Salekhard-Igarka.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 14: 50
      +6
      Quote: Strashila
      Isn't it time to resume construction of Salekhard-Igarka.

      Have mercy! Not all garbage has been removed from the regions of the Far North, and about 200 volunteers from the RF Armed Forces are working here. But volunteers from the pre-trial detention center and various other organizations of a similar purpose are not visible: they sew slippers, then they increase attendance in camp libraries, like Mr. Ulyukaev.
    2. Revival
      Revival 27 January 2021 13: 10
      +1
      It’s too early for workers to recruit
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 26 January 2021 12: 47
    +3
    I saw the true face of Navalny and his "red guards", and for a long time. The only thing I will say is that they do not differ in any way, from the faces of those sitting at the very top (the president, the State Duma, etc.), only Navalny’s eyes with the "red guards" "more greedy .. But the most interesting thing is that Navalny himself and his associates are products of the state system that exists today. Or to put it another way, Navalny and Co. are the" children "of those who have been in power since 1991 and strengthened in 1993. Yes , they are not happy, because they did not receive from the "dads" and "grandfathers" the reforms of milk rivers and jelly banks, which they promised 30 years ago to their Soviet parents, and then to Russian ones. Dear, you have created a consumer society, consume from this society. Yes, the author of the rights, the protesters essentially do not demand a society of social justice, do not demand universal employment and much more, they want something completely different, they also want to get rid of the foolishness from which the children of oligarchs descend: cars, super-expensive gadgets, impunity for breaking laws, etc. ... they want the same. Someone will say parasites, no, I will say these are products of the system in which they grew up and which accepted the "values" of this system. And where did this come from? From the West, according to their templates, they built a "democratic" Russia, and now the West is to blame for the protests .. smile
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 15: 08
      +4
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      because they did not receive reforms from the "dads" and "grandfathers"

      You have the wrong idea about economic reforms transformations of the 90s. These transformations a priori and initially were not supposed to be distributed "to all the sisters by earrings." It was a purely individual "entrepreneurial activity" aimed at appropriating public property and destroying socialist statehood. And so that people would believe them, fairy tales were told about two Volgas and GAZPROM shares. that's why they sang, danced, laughed, joked, and also shot, arrested, abolished ...
      And people who thought that it was about to come - this is prosperity, when it will be possible to receive a worthy monetary reward for their work and live without fear of saying a word, were simply "thrown": "thimblers" are thrown this way, "katals" are thrown like this, this is how a fortune-teller gypsy is circled around the finger.
      As for the children, they see that their parents are not only unable to earn money for some gadget, but their income is not enough to buy normal food. Many children are given their entire working day to the mercy of fate. That is why fate (in the person of bulk or other figures) disposes of them at its own discretion. The state itself pushed them on the path of insane protest.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 26 January 2021 12: 48
    +11
    Who is to blame for the involvement of youth in empty protests?

    Those who diligently create the ground for these protests, uncontrollably plundering the country and driving the people into poverty. And those who no less diligently cleaned up the political clearing for 20 years, doing everything to make the protests just empty ..
  • Gato
    Gato 26 January 2021 12: 50
    +2
    Personally, I am a supporter of the principle "If an outrage cannot be prevented, then it must be headed." The author rightly notes that
    The creators of social networks originally designed this environment specifically to manipulate public consciousness.
    .
    Who's stopping us from using social media to our advantage? Or does religion not allow?
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 26 January 2021 13: 49
      -1
      Social networks are in the hands of globalists, how do you envision using them? In practice, in the United States, he clearly showed how the digital "GULAG" works. And when you create a state social network, you will be told right away, this is a "zombie" and there is no faith in it. The essence of the power of the globalists is that they identify themselves as "independent," "free," "democratic." Russia is not facing the US, EU and China as instruments, but with globalists.
      1. Gato
        Gato 26 January 2021 14: 59
        0
        The essence of the power of globalists is that they identify themselves as "independent", "free", "democratic"

        They can identify with anyone, but we know that ... This is not about creating their own fenced social networks, but about using their own tools. But, apparently, some of the "Kremlin towers" are occupied by the same globalists or those wishing to participate in their games.
        1. Revival
          Revival 27 January 2021 13: 21
          +2
          It hinders "them", to a large extent, that the people will write many questions, but there is no intelligible answer.
          For example, about "yacht" and "no money, but you hold on."
          And what to answer?
          Well, do not give up the same "yacht" for the future of the country
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 15: 13
      +6
      Quote: Gato
      Who's stopping us from using social media to our advantage? Or does religion not allow?

      Hell knows. I do not think that Medvedev, Matvienko or Nabiullina have collected any significant number of views on their website or blog. Don't be upset, everything has been known for a long time and you can't say any funnier:
  • Barmal
    Barmal 26 January 2021 12: 53
    +3
    I think it's time to introduce a much fairer term - "zomboseti" ...


    the best thesis of this year !!
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 26 January 2021 12: 54
    +10
    The author so simply put everyone in the trenches: they are a "liberal infection", "we" are obviously "patriots". I just forgot that the "navalnists" are also citizens of the Russian Federation.
    Navalny's views and actions are disgusting. You cannot involve foreign hostile states to solve the problems of Russia (your own personal showdowns).
    But, according to the Constitution, there seems to be freedom of assembly, speech and the right to information, not only for the author of the article. Of course, the states can do without all this. And they did it for millennia. But then why all this VERY EXPENSIVE circus with "branches of power", "a source of elected power", ombudsmen, speakers, chambers, councils, referendums, etc.?
    Let the author look for the "liberal-independent" among our elite, remember the XNUMXth century and write the ode "The State is IT!"
    People wanted to play politics - they played. Someone has earned an administrative arrest. Damage from them is less than from football fans.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 January 2021 13: 28
      -2
      Quote: samarin1969
      I just forgot that the "navalnists" are also citizens of the Russian Federation.

      This is also ... much more difficult that they, or rather their patrons, manage to influence the younger generation, i.e. on OUR FUTURE, because THEY NEED and I really can't believe that this will benefit our country ...
      There is no constructive in the destruction, creation, in the form that is imposed on them.
      This is logical, if they do not find what is understandable and necessary in our country, they WILL FIND and pull what they think is more desirable, from anywhere, from the outside!
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 26 January 2021 14: 17
        +4
        [quoteNot in the destruction of constructiveness, creation, in the form that is imposed on them.] [/ quote]
        I did not follow the "rising generation" at the rallies. There were fewer of them than at official events. But I did not notice anything extremist from the photo: nothing - "we WILL DESTROY the whole world of violence" ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 January 2021 14: 53
          +1
          Quote: samarin1969
          But I did not notice anything extremist from the photo: nothing - "we WILL DESTROY the whole world of violence" ...


          In the photo it may not, but the appetite comes with eating, the crowd is gathered and it is easy to warm it up and start ...
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 26 January 2021 15: 00
          -1
          Quote: samarin1969
          "we WILL DESTROY the whole world of violence" ...

          This is just an understandable goal, the PROGRAM! The masses had already gathered around it and DESTROYED ...
          it hasn’t come to that, YET, but judging by the way they got down to business, it can come.
          Not in the form that we know about, we remember, those who taught the history of the country ... but other forms can be created, no less destructive ...
          The world does not stand still. Methods, means, tactics change, the goals remain the same - DIVIDE and CONTROL!
          We have already met, here, they write that they do not want to feed PENSIONERS, those who used to ... do not think that they will also become the same and can actually get exactly the same!
          YET, it has not gone so far, but this cannot be ruled out, if everything is left at the mercy of foreign "teachers".
      2. cniza
        cniza 26 January 2021 14: 51
        0
        Quote: rocket757

        There is no constructive in the destruction, creation, in the form that is imposed on them.


        Is it possible that the example of our neighbors is not enough ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 January 2021 15: 03
          -2
          Quote: cniza
          Is it possible that the example of our neighbors is not enough ...

          Everything happens for the first time, and then it is repeated with manic persistence ... under the slogan that this is not about them and this cannot happen to them !!!
          HA, HA, HA, it will happen, for sure! The old rake is such a repetitive one that it seems it was not worth talking about it ... but no, you have to!
          1. cniza
            cniza 26 January 2021 15: 56
            0
            One should not talk about this, but shout - look what happened to the state after the color revolution ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 26 January 2021 16: 02
              0
              Who should I shout to? there are noodles on the ears, hanging up to the knees, and a saucepan on the head, often.
              1. cniza
                cniza 26 January 2021 16: 07
                0
                Shout it figuratively, but you need to clear your brain and not rely on consciousness ...
    2. Airdefence_107
      26 January 2021 17: 33
      +1
      The author has not forgotten anything. And the author knows what real trenches are from Ukrainian events, since he lives in Crimea. I remember how #VoniZheDiti quickly grew into "self-defense of the Maidan", and then into "Azov" militants. Very quickly ... If you had read carefully, you would have noticed that I call first of all to work with those who are mistaken. In addition, I want them to learn to understand how and who is using their legitimate indignation.
      Nobody canceled the right to freedom of assembly.
      1) Agree 2) Wait until the end of the pandemic.
      The right to information? Yes, as much as necessary. But not the right to misinformation. "Putin signed a decree allowing shooting," "armored vehicles are going to Moscow," etc.

      And yes. About organized football fans. Moscow could hardly have done without them. That gave reason for the federal media to talk about "militants from Ukraine".
      1. victor50
        victor50 26 January 2021 17: 54
        +1
        Quote: Airdefence_107
        1) Agree 2) Wait until the end of the pandemic.
        The right to information?

        This will sound especially convincing after the "cancellation" of the pandemic for the period of voting on amendments to the Constitution and elections in the regions. lol
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 26 January 2021 18: 17
        +1
        Quote: Airdefence_107
        If you read carefully, you would notice that I call first of all to work with those who are mistaken

        In the trenches did not happen, but all his life, except for an urgent one, he lived in the Crimea ... hi
        With "delusion" it is more difficult. In VO, the majority are communists, there are monarchists and liberals, Putinites / non-Putinites, "each creature has a pair" laughing ... Who has the right to define "delusion" ??
        Let the people express themselves, make them laugh, and stand in pickets. The constitution gives them the right. We and the officials will look and hear at them. This is normal. The BBC has its own vision, but it's their own business.
        There were few children among them, as on the Maidan. Until they wave chains and beat the police - these are people just like us.
        I hope, fellow countryman, you were not against the "uncoordinated" shares of Alexey Chaly and S.V. Aksenov. Although, when I saw Poroshenko covering his face with his hand, he hoped that he got in the face. soldier
        1. Airdefence_107
          26 January 2021 19: 29
          -1
          Let people get together and discuss. Only the organizers of the action do not provide for this. What for? The goal is to bring out and use an angry crowd that does not accept and will not listen to others. Bring it to a state in which any opposition is not perceived, and the life and opinion of the opponent is worthless. Did they consider the guy who was beaten for the poster to be the same citizen? When developers and eco-activists stand and argue among themselves, this is one thing, but when people are brought out into the street by pumped up empty emotion, it is another.
          And yes. There were a lot of children, and this despite the fact that most of them were simply not allowed in. Although I think that at the age of 14-16, you can already understand something, and not climb out to an illegal rally as "a get-together," "drenched with cops," etc. If they do not understand, then work both at home, at school, and online.

          When the rallies of Chaly and Aksyonov took place, there was no longer a legitimate government in Ukraine. And as far as I remember the law itself, requiring agreement did not exist.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 26 January 2021 12: 56
    -2
    It's all bullshit. Actually. the problem is much deeper. And the funny thing is, this is not a problem for the Russian Federation. The West itself let the genie out of the bottle, without noticing how it slammed one of its most effective levers, if not the most effective - "the fourth estate". If earlier it was easy to form public opinion, you just need to control the most popular press, then with the development of social networks and Internet in general, the fourth estate is frankly thrown to the sidelines. Well, Ukroinfo will write 100 times a thread about the empty Crimea and the bridge. on which no one drives ... It takes five seconds to find webcams in the Crimea in an online broadcast. And the audience of ordinary blogs is ahead of many media - horizontal information transfer, and you can't buy them all.
    The world of information has changed, and the West was not ready for this. If earlier they could unweave through the Voice of America that 10 million gathered for a rally in the Russian Federation, and everything is calm in Europe, now it is easy to see how many gathered in real life, and what happened on Sunday in Holland and Israel ... With some knowledge language it is easy to communicate with eyewitnesses, and manipulation of opinion plays only for frankly marginal, mentally underdeveloped individuals. And due to their underdevelopment, they are not capable of anything at all
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 January 2021 13: 15
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      Actually. the problem is much deeper. And the funny thing is, this is not a problem for the Russian Federation.

      And the funny thing is that it's not funny, but it's very scary.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 26 January 2021 13: 13
    +5
    The main mistake of the participants in such opposition actions is the illusion that they will be able to use local and foreign curators and then throw them off. Moreover, immediately after achieving any success. Pocket "revolutionaries" do not understand that no one has succeeded yet.

    Well, it depends ... once it happened. Not immediately, but it worked.
    There is such a party! © smile
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 26 January 2021 13: 13
    0
    "A lie liked a million times is perceived as true."

    And if liked 40 million times, then it is already uncontested and no one can refute the TRUTH !!!
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 26 January 2021 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      "A lie liked a million times is perceived as true."

      And if liked 40 million times, then it is already uncontested and no one can refute the TRUTH !!!


      https://matveychev-oleg.livejournal.com/11198789.html
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 27 January 2021 17: 34
      0
      It's irony?
  • Nikza
    Nikza 26 January 2021 13: 24
    +4
    It's funny. Very often I read here both in the comments and in the articles "Find and punish all the dissatisfied and ̶r̶a̶s̶t̶r̶e̶l̶ya̶t̶̶". Well, this is understandable why such maximalism. But there is one BUT ... With this, the authorities will only drive out all discontent from the squares and drive them into the kitchens. And the dull discontent, the whisper in the kitchens will only increase and incite. And when there is a LEADER (there are few real violent, so there are no leaders (c)), and sooner or later there will be a leader, no doubt, everything will be very robust. There were many examples in Russia. So all these talkers, foaming at the mouth, shouting "you are a liberal, you are a provocateur, you are an agent of the USA, you are an enemy" are actually working against the existing government. And ultimately against Russia.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 January 2021 13: 40
      -2
      Quote: Nikza
      There is no doubt that everything will be very robust. There were many examples in Russia.

      And there is nothing more terrible in the world than the Russian revolt. And somehow I would not like to get it again. But in any case, they try to light it up, from a small smoldering coal. It's time to throw a pot of water on the coal.
      1. Revival
        Revival 27 January 2021 15: 20
        +2
        Would splash yes denekh it is a pity, if the minimum price is raised to the norm, yes pensions, but everything else may not be enough for "yachts"
  • BAI
    BAI 26 January 2021 13: 24
    +7
    Who is to blame for the involvement of youth in empty protests?

    The authorities are to blame. And it's not the fault that something does not prohibit or prohibits. And in that he does not know how and does not work with young people. And nothing can offer young people in return for protests. Power is not respected by young people. And the issue of the fall of the disrespected government is a matter of time. There is no need to discuss "if it falls, it will not fall." Here the question is - "When will it fall?"
  • Radikal
    Radikal 26 January 2021 13: 56
    +3
    Given the high degree of political awareness of Russian society, it would be quite logical to assume that the "opposition" has so far only lost its supporters, trying to rehearse according to a too primitive and predictable scenario of a color coup.
    A question to the author - what kind of opposition is he talking about, can you specify? And that is somehow general, and not correct. lol bully
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 26 January 2021 13: 58
    +2
    A BERLIN PATIENT versus a KREMLIN SEATER
    (drama in N-parts)

    The "Berlin Patient" (hereinafter BP) asked uncomfortable questions about poisoning, to which the press service did not answer anything sensible. Could it be verified? Quite - why hasn't the investigative committee been initiated? Poisoning of politicians is not common here ... Hit the spot?
    1-0 in favor of BP
    The "Berlin Patient" was suppressed immediately upon our return. For business, between private business entities?
    - We know many examples when specific civil servants in the case of prosecutors near Moscow were released, the case was ruined, although there were very specific testimonies against them.
    We remember how the "Serdyukovism" ended - concrete damage to the state - who is in prison?
    The obvious suggests itself - the arrest of BP is connected with his publications, which means there is some truth.
    2-0 in favor of BP
    BP, having calculated the situation in advance, threw in YouTube a crude investigation about the abode of the Constitutional Court, quite convincing, with some documentary argumentation, which can be verified - the Press Service of the Constitutional Court is in a stupor, schoolchildren are shooting portraits of the Kremlin Inmate in schools ...
    3-0
    The Kremlin Sidelier could not find what to answer right away, answered ... the student with an incomprehensible preparation, not convincing in its lack of specificity, incompetent, not related to the asked inconvenient questions.
    4-0

    So far, the situation looks like unambiguous points scored by the Berlin patient and a complete failure of the press service of the Kremlin Sidelts and himself

    This is what it means for 20 years not to have the practice of public debate - not convincing, not intelligible, mumbles from the screen "would like to have carried it through" silly laughing in the deathly silence of journalists ...

    One gets the impression that the quatre blanche issued by the population by the annexation of Crimea dried up and uncomfortable questions began, without specific answers.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 26 January 2021 15: 05
      -1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      Poisoning of politicians is not common here ... Hit the spot?
      1-0 in favor of BP

      In business, and Navalny's supporters are pulling an owl of systemic poisoning on the globe request
      https://www.znak.com/2020-08-20/izvestnye_rossiyane_stavshie_zhertvami_zagadochnyh_yadov
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      We remember how the "Serdyukovism" ended - concrete damage to the state - who is in prison?

      So BP does not sit, so languishes in captivity in Vasilievsky style.
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      - Press service of the Constitutional Court in a stupor

      An exclusively subjective conclusion, because:
      "I disagree with you. This investigation claims that this is Putin's palace and that it was built for Putin, there, by Putin, and so on. Putin unequivocally answered negatively to this question, moreover, he said that neither he nor his relatives do not have and did not have any relation, moreover, property relations to this object, "- said Peskov.

      It would be just right for Sisyan to catch the Darkest One in a lie, but does he need it when he has already reported public protests for "donations" to "investors"? It's done, do you want more rock and roll? So give me money!
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 26 January 2021 15: 49
        -1

        Just nod your head
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 26 January 2021 16: 06
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          Just nod your head

          Why is this frightened? The first and last time I voted for Putin in 2018, I do not regret it, but I will no longer support his candidacy in the elections, this is my right.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 27 January 2021 08: 36
            -1
            Quote: Dym71
            First and last time voted for Putin in 2018


            I have not voted for him even once in 20 years of his reign - even when he "joked" about Kursk - "She drowned" in an interview with Larry King, it was obvious that he was a trashy person.
    2. victor50
      victor50 26 January 2021 18: 00
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      not convincing, not intelligible, mumbles from the screen "would like to see it through" silly laughing

      ! hi
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 26 January 2021 14: 02
    +2
    We need to take young people seriously and stop repeating the mantra about the absence of ideology, we will lose it completely and it will be too late.
  • cniza
    cniza 26 January 2021 14: 47
    +1
    This rehearsal in many ways showed that those who have barely just learned how to write and read are being led to such a thing.


    Yes, it was just a rehearsal for future elections ...
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 26 January 2021 15: 07
    +4
    - Vladimir Vladimirovich whose palace is this?
    - Have you seen the US national debt?

    That's the whole article about this)))
    1. victor50
      victor50 26 January 2021 18: 03
      +2
      Quote: From Tomsk
      That's the whole article about this)))

      Yes, it would be nice for the author to tell whose palace this is. I would have conducted an investigation and reported, since the authorities consider it inconvenient. And the power that he protects, he would help, and wash the villain.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 26 January 2021 15: 39
    +4
    just right to introduce a much fairer term - "zomboset"

    good It is high time to put things in order not only on TV, but also in social networks.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 26 January 2021 17: 26
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    otherwise you can expect everything from the Internet)

    Izh, as in the article, for the networks soared! They are deceiving. And lies are repeatedly said in the news of federal channels, which becomes true. A person is looking for an alternative opinion, we are not sheep. Give independent media, and they will forget about the Internet. Our "propagandists" also have a puppeteer Yes, I’m not ours abroad. But that doesn’t mean that you can trust them. hi
    1. Airdefence_107
      26 January 2021 17: 44
      -4
      Nobody offers to prohibit alternative information. Removal or separation of fake information that may cause harm in accordance with applicable laws. It is assumed that the law on the Internet must be respected in the same way as in real life.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 26 January 2021 18: 00
        0
        Nobody proposes to prohibit it? So where to look for it? You turn on the TV, the news blocks do not overlap each other, as they specially painted, and like the notes bend the same thing. So the Internet is to blame? hi
        1. Airdefence_107
          26 January 2021 18: 18
          0
          The Internet is to blame for not providing mandatory punishment for those who break the law. We can always find out the author of a false TV report. In addition, we know exactly who is funding. Who is funding faceless bots?
          We need not only independent media, but also social networks, search engines, video hosting. Then at whose expense will they exist? Created as private Twitters, Facebook, YouTube, etc., sooner or later, they pass into the hands of the elites and become manipulators worse than television precisely due to anonymity. They do not follow cheats, bots and legality where necessary.
      2. victor50
        victor50 26 January 2021 20: 10
        +1
        Quote: Airdefence_107
        does not offer to prohibit alternative information. Removal or separation of fake information that may cause harm in accordance with applicable laws

        Who will do it and how? Even if you approach it objectively and in good faith, it will take time, during which the fake will become widespread. You just need to convincingly and honestly expose, then the fake will die by itself, and there will be fewer of them, because the official information will gain more and more confidence. Sometimes it happens on TV to hear answers to acute, uncomfortable questions in numerous political shows. I'm sick of the level of answers! Who are they for? Not thinking at all? It seems to me that the majority in our country are still able to think and analyze. The level of answers should be corresponding, and the level of propaganda in general. Not primitive.
        1. Airdefence_107
          26 January 2021 21: 34
          +1
          This should be done by RKN when interacting with social networks and the public. Yes, time. And yes. All fakes are calculated on the fact that the refutation will be late and less people will see it. But this time can be shortened. As practice shows, when necessary, they work quickly. They began to delete only on the 22nd. The Americans generally showed an ideal example of clearing the field after the storming of the Capitol. It turns out that it is mainly a matter of technical ability.
          As for the informational answers, they are really not yet successful enough. Russian information platforms have good results abroad (especially RT), but in the country, so far, everything really looks simple. Moreover, it is not "modern", and therefore not for young people.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 January 2021 17: 39
    -2
    Ha. Previously, the unnamed person was to blame for everything, but now it turns out - the culture of hype ...

    Do not write in serious articles how it turns out that the M12 motorway, which should connect Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod and Kazan and become part of the "New Silk Road", is planned for a billion per km, with the Ministry of Transport standards 160-200 miles. Money doesn't smell.

    Better about the hand of Washington, and the culture of hype ...
    "For the main goal is the elections this fall, as well as the presidential elections in Russia in 2024." the stump is clear.
    1. Airdefence_107
      27 January 2021 01: 16
      0
      Was this at the rallies? Has anyone tried to talk about at least one specific problem? Alas, for young people it is not as interesting as likes. How can you pin your hopes on those who are not interested in your problems?
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 27 January 2021 11: 47
        0
        Even so, the discussion of the article, not the rallies. It was not there, but the article is here.

        What if, indeed, the culture of hype is everything?
        although there are almost no schoolchildren in the photo, young people are so-so, adults are many.

        Before the elections there is always the shadow of Hamlet's father, ugh, the hand of Washington ...
  • victor50
    victor50 26 January 2021 17: 44
    0
    "all these tools of network infection are used by foreign puppeteers-manipulators - organizers of any street action "
    Are we behind again? Just complain about these "bad" technologies and the same uncles will we? And can you answer proportionately? Well, let them protest our ambassadors at least everywhere and as much as necessary. As the author argues, similar problems used for protests and color revolutions are everywhere. Why don't we use them, but only allow them to be used against? Or is the author a little cunning?
  • fa2998
    fa2998 26 January 2021 18: 07
    +1
    Quote: Max1995
    as well as the presidential elections in Russia in 2024. "

    And why do we need the presidential elections, when we popularly changed the Constitution, for the sake of one person. What, we went in vain? We will transfer the results of "zeroing" to the presidential elections, at the same time we will save on elections. The tiles in Moscow are dilapidated, we need to change! laughing hi
  • fa2998
    fa2998 26 January 2021 18: 28
    +1
    Quote: Airdefence_107
    ... We can always recognize the author of a false TV report. In addition, we know exactly who is funding.

    Well, we know, and we know who finances the authorities. Millions get And then what? Spit on TV?
    I am not a zealous fan of Navalny, but I search the Internet for information from different points of view. hi
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 26 January 2021 18: 35
    0
    Quote: Finches
    Are you familiar with the word "Order"?

    As far as I understand, they remained to serve, in contrast to the idol you respect, who for ideological reasons moved to the camp of an ideological enemy, and you were simply sworn in to the new government (because the "order"), which is now ready to be shot? At the same time, do you respect the person who actively participated in the formation of this very hated power by you in the person of Yeltsin? belay
    Where is the logic?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 January 2021 19: 25
    -1
    winked Something "boring girls".
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 26 January 2021 21: 01
    +4
    The author blurted out.
    "The main goal is the elections this fall, as well as the presidential elections in Russia in 2024."
    Everything must go as before. Therefore, all the unthreatened will be drowned, drowned, drowned ...

    So that EDRO can be safely added to 60%. Power is money, and money doesn't smell.

    And according to N, I have not seen a single article with real analysis. Views, project histories, etc.
    Only different types - a Kremlin agent, an agent of the State Department, a thief, no experience, no education, no money, no ability to "negotiate in the quiet of the office", wrong investigations, wrong he says, wrong, wrong, wrong ...

    In general, there is no sensible training manual. All stupid handicraft.
  • vitalm
    vitalm 27 January 2021 08: 23
    +2
    "Fortunately, the pseudo-liberal infection is spreading across Russia as unevenly as the coronavirus."

    Sorry, but Putin is also a liberal, he himself admitted this. And the replacement of one capitalist
    will not change anything for another. We need to replace this wild, thieves' capitalism with a socialist system. With the help of elections, but I'm not sure that those in power will just give up their privileges and power.
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 27 January 2021 10: 25
    +2
    on the part of the author, competent manipulation of Western technologies, children and an opposition convenient for the authorities in the person of Navalny ... they put the people before a choice either we (the government is lying and vile, but its own kind) or they (bulk and Western special services), cutting off at the same time, the real opposition was imprisoned, as, say, Platoshkin, or by imposing courts and criminal cases, as, say, Bondarenko and Grudinin ... everything was done and served to the layman competently ... applause from the authorities and such coverage of the popular protest ...
  • vavilon
    vavilon 27 January 2021 11: 09
    +3
    From my point of view, this is the struggle of the Western liberal-oligarchic system with the same as themselves, but only the Russian one, which is trying to resist them, it is no different from theirs, the same predatory, ruthless, insatiable and corrupt oligarchic system as in the West ...
    And if our government is so democratic, then I would suggest that it hold a referendum on the question in which state the people want to live?
    In a socialist state without oligarchs and where all resources and strategic enterprises will work for the country's budget or continue to live in the country that was privatized by a handful of enterprising thieves who call themselves the "elite"?
    And our dear GDP, guided by the results, follow the development path that will be determined by the referendum
    Only such a change of systems will be bloodless and democratic
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 27 January 2021 12: 25
    +1
    After all, we often hear about the "zomboy". But what, in fact, is the difference between modern social networks and the "zomboy"? I think it's time to introduce a much fairer term - "zomboseti" ...
    Absolutely right. Moreover, the network has incomparably greater opportunities for psychological pressure and submission than any television. For one simple reason - there is feedback on the network. This makes the Internet a leader in psychoprocessing.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 27 January 2021 17: 41
      0
      I agree with the feedback ... but not 100%. The Internet is for reason. And for the unreasonable - the same zombie. And there is no feedback and the Internet box itself - all this is done by a person, and maybe even "one" ... ("depending on who counts ..."). The clever will grow wiser, but the bad will surely grow ugly.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 27 January 2021 12: 33
    +1
    The author hopes to win by the "drag and drop" method. As the authorities block everything around, so it will ... and .... And why? People will by hook or by crook obtain access to blocked resources, even to the extent of distributing paper copies, and they will begin to believe them like holy scripture. We've already gone through all this ...
    The question of victories in this confrontation is the question of what exactly the sides stand for. The adversary defends (in words, yes) "all good against all bad." And the authorities? What exactly is our government and our elite upholding? Our starshaks prefer to shyly keep silent about this, repeating as much as possible about "traditional values", however, without deciphering them. This position is a 140% loss.
    But the government does not offer anything else. Why? For a very, very simple reason ...
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 28 January 2021 00: 16
    +1
    The siloviki's job is to try to treat symptoms, not disease. Moreover, the disease inside and above and has long been known to everyone. On the other hand, it’s even curious how many organs will be amputated before understanding comes.
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 30 January 2021 12: 03
    -1
    Respect to the author for analytics !!!
    Communicating even with mature adults from Belarus, I was surprised at a certain immature point of view: to throw the Old Man (otherwise he was crazy), and what will happen next, there is no answer. But at the same time, none of them expects a break with the Russian Federation and the situation as in Ukraine. "No, we are all for friendship with Russia", "Why immediately, like in Ukraine ??" But when you tell them that "they won't even ask you: who to be friends with and how to build the economy" - they start to think))