"Russia is close to acquiring powerful ships so far only on paper": Western press about the renewal of the Russian amphibious fleet

Against the backdrop of unclear prospects for Russian aircraft carriers, the Russian Navy has begun building universal amphibious assault ships that run counter to the former Soviet doctrine.

Unsupported fleet ambitions

This opinion is expressed on the pages of the Western edition of Defensionem. According to the observer, in the Soviet army, in the event of a full-scale war, the functions of the expeditionary forces were assigned to the Airborne Forces, while the marines were supposed to land on the coasts of nearby NATO countries and control the straits through which the ships of the USSR Navy were to enter the world ocean.

The Russian navy currently operates a mishmash of old amphibious assault ships of various classes. The most useful of these is the Polish project Ropucha [pr. 775] along with the types "Zubr" and "Ivan Gren"

- indicated in the publication.

At the same time, it is explained that “given fleet not enough. " "Ropucha" by modern standards is a small ship, with a displacement of 2,2 thousand tons, and is already approaching "old age", being built in the mid-1970s. "Zubrs" are few in number and are only suitable for actions in the regional theater of operations.

The Ivan Gren class is much more modern, ships have been built since 2004, but with a displacement of 6000 tons it still lacks the stamina and range needed to project force over long distances

- written in the publication.

Path to UDC

The 2008 Georgian war and the recent Syrian conflict have pointed Russia to the need to invest in its amphibious capabilities. The attempt to get the French UDC "Mistral", as the newspaper writes, failed due to the "Crimean crisis". In this regard, Russian shipbuilding was instructed to develop its own designs.

KB "Nevskoe" proposed "Avalanche", the layout of which, according to the author, resembled "Mistral". She had a displacement of 24 thousand tons, a crew of 320 people. and the ability to transport 16 helicopters, 500 soldiers and 50 armored personnel carriers. The cruising range was 5000 nautical miles at a speed of 18 knots. The Krylov Center has developed the Surf project. With a weight of 14 thousand tons, it could carry up to 8 helicopters and 10 tanks or 40 BMP. The cruising speed was 14 knots, the cruising range was 6000 nautical miles. However, both designs gave way to the 23900 project.

According to the author, visually "Project 23900 resembles a mixture of" Avalanche "and" Mistral ", but it is larger and more productive than Mistral": autonomy is 60 days or 9700 km of travel, the ability to transport up to 75 armored personnel carriers, 900 marines and 4 landing ships. The entire system is complemented by an air wing with up to 20 helicopters.

And at 44000 tons, it is hardly lighter than the "Admiral Kuznetsov". Time for reflection has passed: the keels of the first two ships were laid at the Crimean shipyard in July 2020, and work continues [...] One thing is for sure: Russia is close to acquiring powerful landing ships so far only on paper.

- concludes the Western press observer about the renewal of the Russian amphibious fleet.

Comments

[Thrifty]

Name me at least one Western publication that did not throw poop into Russia! Simply, you need to live and work without regard to the notorious "opinion" of foreign hackers and others like them! Ships are being built, and God forbid that the fleet will receive them. ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thrifty

Simply, you need to live and work without regard to the notorious "opinion" of foreign hackers and others like them!

I don’t care about their opinion.
If you listen to them, then there will never be a Crimean bridge and hypersonic missiles ... and much more
And in general we are not on. that they are not capable.
Only then screech, "Help, Russians are coming"

[Insurgent]

Quote: Thrifty

Give me at least one Western publication that did not throw poop into Russia!

Throw away your pathos!
Editions, "inoSMI", where balanced, in the ratio "50x50", with analytics the ways of development of armies (not only Russian) are considered - weight

[Thrifty]

Instrugent - I won't throw anything, because I have a mug of coffee in my hands, donuts on the table on a torch I don’t eat pathetic! And, narrowly specialized editions write carefully, although they, without fail, also try to spit in our direction in conclusions on this or that topic!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Thrifty

, narrowly specialized editions write in a balanced manner, although they, without fail, are increasingly trying to spit in our direction in conclusions on this or that topic!

I am not Not this (?) meant when he wrote:

Quote: Insurgent

where is weighted, in the ratio "50x50" , with analytics, the ways of development of armies are considered

[Thrifty]

Instrugent are real figures of 10/90 percent, of which the first figure is an objective approach to the issue, and the second is a lie in relation to Russia! !!

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Thrifty

real numbers 10/90 percent,

in matters related to the military-industrial complex, perhaps You're right (!!)... where

Quote: Thrifty

of them first figure - an objective approach to the issue

, but, -

Quote: Thrifty

second - Lying

and praises, in order to justify the inconsistency of defense spending (!)....
Один из the brightest examples (in the field of updating the naval personnel), - project corvette 20380 (!)As unreasonably expensive structures, with weight critical non-compliance weapons systems, to carry out their main functions (like a corvette PLO and OVR) ... !!!
But after the forum "Army-2020", for supplies AGAIN are they contracting? !!! Let's not say 11664 ? !!...
Why ?!... expensive MF RLK do not allow to fully realize the potential of the Reduta missile defense system (on medium and long range, without antenna "Polyment" (which in a small VI, simply cannot be placed), and there is no PU for PLUR, but .... Doesn't it matter ?! ...

Quote: Lipchanin

The battle for the arms market is also going on in the media.

This is of course yes (!) ..., but for the right to own "such perfection" How 20380, neither is fighting from countries known to me !!!... But his Navy, his successfully inhale !!!.
When even Vietnam preferred for PLO, project 11661? !!!...

Quote: g1v2

Well, at the same time, one must understand that the fleet will receive these UDKs at best by the end of the decade.

fact (!).

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Editions, "foreign media", where weighted, in the ratio "50x50"

Only that they only foul on Russia.
They would have tried on zashtatnikov in such a volume, but they would have been immediately closed.
The battle for the arms market is also going on in the media.
The ships have not even been built yet, but they are pouring mud

[antivirus]

kanechno their f35 is better than our UDC. he is expensive and handsome. our - curves and in disguise - paint will hide from the all-seeing eye of the Ukhri missiles.
- BUT DEATH UNTIL TIME NOBODY SEES. and she walks beside.

[Lipchanin]

Yes, it's the same as telling a blind man about colors, and telling a deaf about sounds

[Finches]

Not on paper - Mosfilm is filming all this with us! We also have "Novichok" fake - we poison everyone, but no one dies!

[g1v2]

Well, at the same time, one must understand that the fleet will receive these UDKs at best by the end of the decade. The project is too new and big. Another 2 base stations for the Pacific Fleet are under construction. And all this time we will have to use old ships. Out of 21 bdk we have 15 old Polish and 4 even older Soviet ones. The Polish ones will have to be renewed, and the Soviet ones will be written off in the next 10 years. Again, udcs are not suitable for all fleets. For example, they are not needed in the Baltic. The issue of the obsolescence of the bdk in the next 10 years will not disappear anywhere. Again, there will hardly be a lot of udk. Mistrals were going to build 6 pieces for the Pacific Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet. But amphibious means are needed both in the Baltic and in the Northern Fleet.
Again, we have a problem with auxiliary ships. Let me remind you that we had to buy vessels from the Turks for the Syrian Express. The fleet is far from just destroyers and frigates. This is a big machine and all the parts are important.

[A1845]

Quote: g1v2

Too new and big project

and questions remain:
what helicopters are planned there?
what means of air cover are supposed?
troop transports are definitely not needed?

[g1v2]

Ka52k and first ka29, then ka65 when done. The katrans and frigates will be the cover.
Troop transports are needed, but they have not yet reached them. As well as before floating workshops, for example. Now the hydrographic service is being rearmed in the first place. Plus, tankers are being built as small to replace Kairam, and medium. Well, weapons transports are slowly being built. On what dry-cargo ships for the fleet will be ordered for the time being silent. There were several options announced, but so far there is nothing in the state defense order. It seems that they are creating a unified project that can be built in several versions - both as a dry cargo ship and as a floating workshop and something else. As far as the project is ready-xz. Now too much is being built, when there will be bookmarks - xs.

[A1845]

what means of air cover are supposed?

Quote: g1v2

Cover and will katrans

here I am about it ..

[Petro_tut]

BO of course

[Lipchanin]

"Powerful ships on paper"

Not beguiled?

But this will no longer be "paper"

According to the author, visually "Project 23900 resembles a mixture of" Avalanche "and" Mistral ", but it is larger and more productive than Mistral": autonomy is 60 days or 9700 km of travel, the ability to transport up to 75 armored personnel carriers, 900 marines and 4 landing ships. The entire system is complemented by an air wing with up to 20 helicopters.

And at 44000 tons, it is hardly lighter than the Admiral Kuznetsov. Time for reflection has passed: the keels of the first two ships were laid at the Crimean shipyard in July 2020, and work continues

Be patient ...

[Vladimir_2U]

autonomy is 60 days or 9700 km of travel

How strange the phrase looks, "or" is clearly superfluous, "and" is much more appropriate.

[Sergey Valov]

This is not the only blunder, for example - "Weighing 14 thousand tons." Alas, ignorance of the Russian language and terminology has become the norm.

[rotmistr60]

Do not understand the logic of foreign analysts. Then in all the media - Russia is aggressive and threatening, the Russian army is a threat, the Russian fleet is entering the ocean ... And right there

Russia is close to acquiring powerful landing ships so far only on paper

For your complacency or what? So you will decide. We ourselves know that the Russian fleet needs to pay more attention and resources.

[nsm1]

Each analyst has his own opinion, which is not clear?
They have no Central Committee, each is his own king.
Why the heck they gave up your "decide"?

[evgen1221]

But somewhere at the top they listen to them more attentively.

[nikvic46]

It would be wrong to compare with the Soviet period. Everything there was state-owned, everything went into a common piggy bank. They will say, but what about the cap. There, the main enterprise makes only the base, and dozens of small firms, having received an order, supply parts, mechanisms, blocks to the finishing plant. And one bank monitors supplies and quality. By the way, these orders still have to be fought for. All this has been worked out for decades. You have to choose. You cannot have one part of the state, and the other work on its own.

[prior]

The ocean fleet is not needed to guard the "palaces" .......

[Vladimir1155]

these UDCs are not needed, they have no escort, which means they are not able to go somewhere, using them for PLO when equipped with PLO helicopters is also difficult, again, the strength of the fleet is not enough to accompany them ... not ships, but sawing the dough

[zloybond]

wonderful. let them continue to think so. The caravan is on its way.

[Evgeny Seleznev]

Quote from Wiki "During the Vietnam War, the American Navy faced the problem of coordinating the actions of various amphibious assault ships that carried out the landing. All of them performed different functions - dock ships carried landing craft, tank landing ships carried ground equipment, the marines were located on a different type of ships. helicopters based on amphibious assault carriers were involved in its transportation, and staff ships were needed to coordinate the landing and operations on the shore.

Another problem was the removal of the landing ships from the landing zone, for safety from the actions of coastal artillery. The best solution was considered to move them beyond the horizon - 25-30 km, but the landing time was still set at half an hour, otherwise the enemy could provide serious opposition. And if the helicopters that made the landing of personnel fully satisfied this requirement, then the low-speed landing barges that delivered heavy equipment to the shore did not. There was a need for high-speed amphibious assault ships on an air cushion, and, accordingly, new dock ships interacting with them. "This is the emergence of the UDC concept. Now the fleets of many countries, God forbid, and Russia will join sometime, use this type of ships. Landing ships with the possibility of landing equipment on an unequipped shore (our large landing craft) risk being damaged by coastal weapons, while the loss of a landing craft, though sad, is not catastrophic, plus the concept of suppressing coastal defense assets using helicopters with UDC and weapons of destruction of the naval group.

[certero]

Landing ship with a displacement of 44 tons. I'll be honest, I don't believe in the construction of such