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Three American hypotheses about the Russian Poseidon

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Poseidon - weapon Doomsday or is it a myth?



Another article in Forbes caused a stir, moreover, more in our country than in the USA. Indeed, everyone is interested in how real "Status-6" or "Poseidon" is and whether it is worth to be afraid and afraid of.

Naturally, there are more than enough reflections on this topic. And hypotheses that do not even require confirmation, because they are obvious fruits of reflections on a free topic with a fantastic bias.

So, what can you say about how Poseidon is viewed in the US and what comments can we make from our side?

Hypothesis No. 1. Optimistic. Poseidon doesn't exist. This is Putin's propaganda.

Here are the most distrustful Americans, for whom "Poseidon" is a real myth. And what was shown is a model made of cardboard and sticks, which they tried to pass off as a torpedo. Plus, of course, the cartoon from the Ministry of Defense played into the hands of skeptics.

Overseas skeptics argue their opinion by the fact that Putin organized the show of the Poseidon project in a somewhat pretentious manner. Yes, in the United States, the Russian leader has a reputation as a cunning gambler who always has something hidden up his sleeve. And which can always play unexpectedly.

The fact that Putin could simply organize a propaganda action and show a model under the guise of Poseidon. For what purpose - it is clear, to intimidate the United States.

But "Poseidon", like "Petrel", is just propaganda, the purpose of which is to "take fright" and which has nothing under it.

Pros: very calming for American society, which does not like unrest. Moreover, such unrest.

Cons: if "Poseidon" exists, it can become a very sad fact not so much in application as it will be enough to simply collapse the hypothesis for a crisis in American society to begin.


Hypothesis No. 2. Neutral. Poseidon exists, but it is not Status-6

There are experts who believe that Poseidon is nothing more than a research apparatus, which, again, for propaganda purposes, is passed off as an underwater drone.

That is, there is propaganda, but in contrast to hypothesis No. 1, at least there is an apparatus. Perhaps he has nothing to do with what Putin said.

Hence, it is completely incomprehensible whether Poseidon is really a huge unmanned nuclear warhead or just a research apparatus that the Russians are trying to pass off as a "doomsday" weapon.

Pros: the same as in # 1. Calming down. However, the level of calmness is much lower, since there is some kind of apparatus, and what it really is - the grandmother said in two.

Cons: the possibility of the existence of "Poseidon" as a real combat drone increases.


Hypothesis No. 3. Pessimistic. Poseidon is a real weapon, but you shouldn't be afraid of it.

The adherents of the third point of view are less susceptible to skepticism, and believe that Russia has succeeded in creating such an apparatus. And "Poseidon" is really "Status-6", and it is possible that this is not empty propaganda, but a real weapon.

Once again, this is confirmed from time to time by the information that leaks through the media that Poseidon has some priority in development and funding. However, even this pessimistic segment of Americans does not consider Poseidon a good weapon capable of undermining their confidence in the future.

Pros: mobilizes the nation to counteract, because whoever is forewarned is armed.

Cons: and how to deal with a deep-sea atomic thing that is difficult to even detect?


To be honest, hypothesis # 1 is frankly weak and is held solely by optimism. But in the end, we also have enough adherents of radical opinions in our country.

However, the main evidence is the presence of the K-329 Belgorod. The very same carrier for Poseidon. Indeed, it was not worth spending so much money and so radically altering the boat so that it would serve exclusively propaganda. This is not the case and the time is somewhat inappropriate for such moves. It could have easily been made cheaper.


If "Belgorod" is really made for "Poseidon", then it is difficult to deny that having taken on board 6 of these vehicles, "Belgorod" will not be able to secretly deliver them to the deployment area. It can easily. And if we take into account that the second launch vehicle, Khabarovsk, is on its way, then the construction of a base for 30 such vehicles is justified.

Three dozen underwater drones with nuclear warheads deployed, say, along the Atlantic coast of America is strong.

And absolutely nothing that the carrier is one (two), no one is in a hurry, right? Belgorod will take six torpedoes and calmly deploy them at some distance from the US coast. And when the hour "H" comes, the devices, having received the corresponding signal, will go to the US coast and there will explode, causing a radioactive tsunami.

By the way, from Boston to Miami, only 2 km, so the distance between the devices will be less than 000 km. And I think that if not Noah's flood, then his rehearsal. And little will not seem to anyone.

Moreover, the Americans themselves are well aware that it will be very, very difficult to find Poseidon.

Yes, some experts like Kingston Reef argue that the very essence of using Poseidon by launching it from a submarine near the Russian coast and moving towards the US coast at a speed of even 100 knots is stupidity. The road will take two days.

Yes, at least five, by the way. It is clear that in the scenario of The Last World War, the one who strikes first must win. Or whose strike will be more effective. But excuse me, who canceled the blow of retaliation? Or what, after two days "does not count"?

"If we proceed from the fact that this apparatus will indeed be adopted for service (and I have certain doubts about this), then what is the value of such a weapon, which takes so long to reach its target?" - K. Reef.

What difference does it make how long it will take to reach the Poseidon target? What is important is the result, that is, the impact of the tsunami on the coastal megacities of the Atlantic coast of the United States.

There is a certain logic in the words of the American. American. And according to that logic, yes, nuclear warheads are a more reliable means of delivery.

And the underwater atomic vehicle with a nuclear charge, such a leisurely one, does not look serious in comparison with an intercontinental ballistic missile?

Nuance. Where should he hurry? And then, I like the option more when the Poseidons do not have to creep away from the Russian territorial waters and go unknowingly to the American shores. I like the layout more, when the devices are dragged quietly and secretly by the "Belgorod" and placed where necessary. Close to activation points.

And then the pessimistic Americans will be able to say that their predictions have been successful. If they see the Wave. Or vice versa, optimists will rejoice when they don't see.

In general, American experts admit that there is a certain logic in the creation of such an openly perverted weapon as Poseidon. You can create nothing at all, but scare you systematically and regularly. It will be very difficult to check.

Accordingly, it is entirely possible that the Kremlin actually believes that Poseidon is capable of playing a significant role in a nuclear war that will end civilization. Or maybe Moscow just wants the world to believe in the possibility of this crazy undertaking and not attack it.

And both versions are logical. Thus, Russia has a chance to kill two birds with one stone with one Poseidon.

That is why today there are so many skeptics in the United States who are not examples of optimism. Fortune telling on coffee grounds with the complete impotence of intelligence is not easy.

Whatever Poseidon is intended for, it is likely that in modern Russia there is an opportunity to build several dozen (three, as you see, will be enough for a decent cataclysm) of such devices and a base for their deployment.

And while the whole of America is puzzled over the fact that this is a successful propaganda trick of Putin or all the same military vehicles, enough time may pass for the "Belgorod" to slowly drag the "Poseidons" closer to the US coast.

Not an easy choice for the American man in the street, who does not like any elections at all, except the presidential ones.
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  1. for
    for 26 January 2021 04: 29
    -5
    Another Forbes article made a splash moreover, we have morethan in the US. Indeed, everyone is interested in how real "Status-6" or "Poseidon" is and whether it is worth to be afraid and afraid of.

    Dilemma, states scare or reassure themselves.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 26 January 2021 04: 42
      +14
      "Belgorod" slowly dragged "Poseidons" closer to the US coast.
      "Dead hand" of Academician Sakharov ....
      1. ironic
        ironic 26 January 2021 15: 42
        -15%
        More of a political idol recovered from the ruins of a Soviet temple.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. krot
          krot 28 January 2021 19: 09
          -1
          Have we lost all the missiles with nuclear weapons? They will also strike a quick blow at the United States, let them not relax .. And the Poseidons are already a "control shot" to surely wash them into the ocean. They will not rely so much on their missile defense, although it can no longer cope with hypersound.)
          1. ironic
            ironic 28 January 2021 21: 27
            -3
            The fact of the matter is that they did not disappear, and all these remakes have a double effect, on the one hand, an attempt to exert political pressure, on the other hand, to get non-trivial orders in which huge loot is spinning. There will be no control shot because as many as two Poseidon carriers, one of which is still the third generation, bang from behind before they release something. And even if they manage to release them, the roar and indignations of the environment, from a huge torpedo going at high speed, will track and detonate with a depth charge from nuclear warheads, which the States had for a long time, but were removed from service, but they will renew without problems if necessary. It would be much more productive for the Russian Federation instead of them to put a couple of Ash trees to guard their Boreyevs, and even if they remake a loaf, then into a Caliber carrier. Yes, and there will be no washout from the 2MT explosion, but there will be a serious contamination with Cobalt, and the States will not necessarily suffer from it, especially if such a torpedo is intercepted not at all near their coast, and even cooler if it happens due to an accident in peacetime. From here it will not be clean to lick.
            As for the hypersonic units, judging by their power of 2Mt and weight, their accuracy is not Gd's message, but in the amount of four or even 12 in 6 years, they definitely do not fundamentally change anything. Moreover, if we compare them with the 56 combat-ready Voivods that the USSR had, each with 10 800 Kt and 18 UTTH with 6 of the same, for real, not public, military analysts this is not scary nirazu ...
            1. stels_07
              stels_07 4 March 2021 08: 49
              0
              I agree, + several locomotives with rockets, and more efficient and cheaper
              1. ironic
                ironic 4 March 2021 11: 07
                0
                Yeah, or even better, just make mobile Yars to replace all the outdated Topols and sit down for the creation of a new mobile and stationary powder rocket for a single Vanguard unit, instead of driving huge funds into a flying convoy called Sarmat and the Russian Federation will be covered by its strategic nuclear forces by 100%.
    2. Ugochaves
      Ugochaves 26 January 2021 06: 48
      +5
      What prevents the existence of these factors at the same time?
      1. for
        for 26 January 2021 07: 26
        -8
        Quote: UgoChaves
        What prevents the existence of these factors at the same time

        And the only factor here is only VO and Forbes readers know about this a little more and they would have forgotten if there was a constant reminder.
    3. Mister X
      Mister X 26 January 2021 09: 05
      +8
      Quote: for
      states to scare or reassure themselves.

      hi
      The main thing is that they began to take Russia seriously.
      The old image of the "always drunk man" with a balalaika and a bear has long lost its relevance.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 26 January 2021 09: 55
        0
        The United States will never agree to the reduction of its navy under the "naval strategic offensive arms" agreements, but it will have to rattle
      2. ironic
        ironic 26 January 2021 15: 55
        -10%
        How do you think it is necessary to relate to the fact of the first official use in modern history of the "dirty bomb" in politics, previously attributed only to terrorist activities by all the largest political forces in the world, without exception?
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 26 January 2021 16: 36
          +4
          Quote: ironic
          How do you think it is necessary to relate to the fact of the first official use in modern history of the "dirty bomb" in politics, previously attributed only to terrorist activities by all the largest political forces in the world, without exception?

          And what do you mean by the term `` dirty bomb ''? The cleaning lady did not wipe the dust from it? Or do you think that the TNT charge will scatter radioactive waste along the bottom? Or maybe you think that it is not fair to destroy the enemy after your death? What does the terrorists have to do with it? The last war will be for the destruction of total love by means ... and we are getting closer to it every day ...
          1. ironic
            ironic 26 January 2021 16: 57
            -9
            Don't pretend. You understand everything beautifully. Cobalt filler is a kind of dirty bomb. There is no enemy after his death to destroy legitimately, only the enemy, and not who will fall under the distribution and destroy and not poison the entire planet. Terrorists, despite the fact that until now a dirty bomb and terrorism have been synonymous in modern politics of the majority of Mr. The existing nuclear reserve on alert is not capable of completely destroying the planets, but a couple of hundred tones of cobalt will not even leave cockroaches alive, and not an instant, but a terrible, martyr's death, from which pancreatic cancer will seem like deliverance. Thus, there will be no paradise, no breath, there will be hell right into the body of this world.
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 26 January 2021 18: 00
              0
              Most likely no "Poseidon" in the form of something "moving" really exists. Most likely this is a super-powerful thermonuclear charge with a long autonomous existence. It is enough to place this charge in zones like the "Sant-Andreas" fault, etc. to activate a super-powerful earthquake. There are several problems, not only that the charges must be resistant to temporary and radiation degradation, they must be secretly placed in the right points, in addition, they will still have to be checked and tested for operability, which leads to their detection. well, they still need to be put into action in some way. The problem is that despite the vastness of the world ocean, our "partners" do not need to search it at all — it is enough to track the carrier, or control "interesting" points, which, given modern achievements in this regard, is no longer difficult. Well, one should not sweep aside the most effective method that the United States successfully possesses is bribery of "informants" - even a huge sum of $ 1 billion aimed at bribing one person is nothing compared to the damage that will be caused by this or completely neutralize the multi-billion dollar program. ....
              1. ironic
                ironic 26 January 2021 18: 16
                -2
                What you have just described is still not legal under the existing agreement and there will be a scandal all over the world about the deployment of bottom nuclear weapons bypassing the agreements signed by the Russian Federation, and this will clearly be more abrupt than the Crimean scandal.

                To be honest, I do not understand at all what a certain lobby in the Russian Federation is trying to achieve with all these strange news. Apart from the corruption component, I see no other answer, because from the point of view of defense potential, this is clearly not a decision even once.
                1. Snail N9
                  Snail N9 26 January 2021 18: 28
                  0
                  And not only you do not understand. You don't even have to be a super specialist to realize that the host of these Poseidons is being tracked and vulnerable from the dock. In addition, a nuclear torpedo "roaring" over the entire ocean "is also vulnerable and there will not be so many of them, which increases the chance of destruction. The only thing that can be more, all this fuss with" Poseidon "and its" carriers "is a distracting moment, a smoke screen, behind which is hidden something completely different, or the same charges at the bottom, or a "supercavitating" torpedo with POISON, or something else .... But anyway, these are all huge means and technologies that still need to be worked out somewhere. Given the achievements of control and intelligence, it is very difficult to do this imperceptibly now and something will always “pop up.” As in the case of the same “Petrel.” I don’t know, I also think this whole fuss is a grandiose saw ... and even possible at first, they really caught fire with this idea, having carried out some initial development, and then ... as always, "unplanned difficulties went" ...
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 26 January 2021 18: 57
                    -5
                    Well, Petrel has already caused both radioactive contamination and an explosion, which could become really catastrophic for ordinary people. As for me, all this looks like a mating of certain political forces that need to promote the idea of ​​revenge for the USSR and the corrupt lamasniki, because the most reasonable thing in the nuclear shield of the Russian Federation would be to further advance the rearmament of the remaining old Topols at YARS-C, a major upgrade of Topol-M with the extension of the period of operation and the abandonment of Sarmat in general, and instead of it the creation of a more powerful and modern solid-propellant rocket capable of replacing the UR-100H UTTKh for the already existing hypersonic module with the prospect of replacing it with its own defended Voevod And to give the saved money for the fastest re-equipment of the Borei-A fleet.
                    1. Monar
                      Monar 26 January 2021 20: 00
                      0
                      Can you give more details? What did the Petrel radioactively contaminate there?
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 26 January 2021 20: 22
                        -1
                        So this is not a secret for a long time, one was drowned and pulled out, the Europeans published pictures with a radio background above the search site, and the second engine raced so that people began to write poetry.
                      2. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 27 January 2021 14: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: ironic
                        and the second engine raced so that people began to write poems.

                        Wake up, my dear! Where did the "second" dvigun come from at 14K168 !? You also need to lie believably, otherwise you compromise the whole liberal crowd ...
                        They won't forgive you for that! Unprofessionalism is punished! bully
                      3. ironic
                        ironic 27 January 2021 16: 56
                        -2
                        You need to read what is written, and not challenge your conjectures, there is not a word about the second engine, we are talking about the second copy. Before you accuse someone of lying and unprofessionalism in your own eye, turn it around. By conviction, I am a capitalist, conservative, republican and strongly anti-liberal. Learn to understand something first, and then write letters. stop
                      4. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 27 January 2021 17: 05
                        +4
                        Quote: ironic
                        You need to read what is written,

                        Colleague, I read exactly what you deign to write!
                        а second engine raced so that already
                        Not only do you not deign to check what you release from under the "Claudia" (pАvanul (?)), so you are not able to correctly form your thoughts-horses!
                        If you, dear, wrote:
                        а У the second engine jerked ...
                        I would not troll you. But you write as you breathe - easily and naturally, without going into the details of the process ... Therefore, TO ME WHAT A CLAIMS for your own bloopers !? tongue
                      5. ironic
                        ironic 27 January 2021 17: 15
                        -3
                        I write in transliteration, I do not have a Russian layout, and in my life I haven’t written in Russian for 20 years, except for the forums in Russian. In addition, there is also a dislocation, I easily rearrange and lose letters. Skip W. Let's assume that in this case we simply did not understand each other.
                      6. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 27 January 2021 17: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: ironic
                        We will assume that in this case we simply did not understand each other.

                        I'm not bloodthirsty! drinks
                      7. Motorist
                        Motorist 27 January 2021 22: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: ironic
                        I write in transliteration, I do not have Russian layout

                        Try it on a virtual keyboard, for example - Yandex-translator. Not very fast, but high quality.
                      8. ironic
                        ironic 27 January 2021 22: 52
                        -1
                        It can be inconvenient from work, we are not on the spelling site. The meaning of the text is more important than the presence of errors in it. I always try to explain this to my mother, she is my champion of the ideal Russian, besides, she also has handwriting calligraphy. You immediately recognize an engineer from the past, with an ink liner in hand. One blot or mistake and drawing into the trash can.
                      9. Motorist
                        Motorist 27 January 2021 22: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: ironic
                        The meaning of the text is more important than the presence of errors in it.

                        Execution cannot be pardoned. You see - the boa constrictor KAA drew attention to the second engine. I just advised, sometimes I use it. hi
                      10. ironic
                        ironic 28 January 2021 13: 03
                        +1
                        Thanks for the advice.

                        With the boa constrictor, we came to an understanding on this issue.
  2. g1v2
    g1v2 26 January 2021 23: 35
    +1
    The submarines that these Poseidons carry will not only be able to carry them to begin with. Again, they are being built on the basis of already known projects, and they are about as difficult to track as ordinary anteas and ash trees. You can, of course, but not so easy. Again, Poseidon will be fired at long range and will go himself at great depths. Even if they find it, it is not a fact that they can destroy it. And if there are several of them? Well, again, it can be used against Augs. An atomic explosion under the order of a marching ship group may not destroy it, but broken ships flooded with radioactive water will definitely not be able to carry out the task further. The tests at Bikini Atoll were illustrative.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 27 January 2021 14: 07
    +1
    Quote: ironic
    from the point of view of defense potential, this is clearly not a solution even once.

    And why were the Yankees so alarmed then? -- Unclear...
    Quote: Snail N9
    the carrier of these Poseidons is tracked and vulnerable from the dock.

    And in OMERIKA, hens lay cubic eggs!
    Quote: Snail N9
    The nuclear torpedo "roaring" over the entire ocean is also vulnerable and there will not be so many of them, which increases the chance of destruction.

    "When the fat woman sings her song" (c), it will be too late to drink Borjomi! The kidneys will fall off like eggs from the tax in kind! The world has already crossed the "red line" and passed the point of no return! And when they take off their head, they don't cry for their hair.
    1. ironic
      ironic 27 January 2021 17: 01
      -4
      And who was alarmed, zhurnalyugi from the resources of any reviews? Or representatives of the US Defense Ministry, who will knock out more budget for this? The only thing that caused a real hit was the ability to kill someone in large numbers in an accident without any war, as well as the fact that a dirty bomb is associated with terrorism by everyone? Well, this is natural. With flying into the water and exploding on tests aerochemical the same concerns.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 27 January 2021 13: 52
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    Most likely no "Poseidon" in the form of something "moving" really exists.

    1.Message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
    "Product 3M29 Poseidon in February 2019 confirmed its characteristics at sea." It is planned to have 32 units. products 3M29.
    2. Sevmash received an order for the construction of the 3rd Poseidon carrier. PLA SN "Ulyanovsk" pr. 09853.
    3. It was reported about plans to build a "base" for carriers and an arsenal for the Poseidons themselves.
    How to deal with this? Not too much for "disinformation"?
  • Intruder
    Intruder 29 January 2021 09: 10
    -1
    Most likely it is a super-powerful thermonuclear charge with a long autonomous existence. It is enough to place this charge in zones like the "Sant-Andreas" fault, etc. to activate a super-powerful earthquake.
    even if so, the shift of tectonic plates, the violation of the integrity of their structure and "other unpleasant things", somehow it will not seem a little to everyone ... and not only to the New World, it can also coordinate Europe, with the European part to the Ural ridge .. , somehow !? And then few people will be on the old Earth to determine what they can there:
    And then the pessimistic Americans will be able to say that their predictions have been successful. If they see the Wave. Or vice versa, optimists will rejoice when they don't see.
  • BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 26 January 2021 18: 56
    +9
    I understand you. But are the nuclear charges directed at Russia and my family clean and innocent? Yes, it is with the awareness of the inevitable and inevitable painful death in the event of an attack on us, they must go to bed and wake up in a cold nightmare sweat ... We do not need a planet without Russians ... Although ... someone already said that ...
    1. ironic
      ironic 26 January 2021 20: 42
      -9
      Relatively clean. The trimoid based on a 6-5 Kt fuse is characterized by minimal radioactive contamination. Cobalt is one of the strongest and most barbaric forms of pollution. Poplars, Yarsy, Bulava and several avant-gardes aimed at them are not the same thermonuclear substances, and even more powerful on average, since it does not work with the same manufacturability and accuracy? But cobalt is no longer a warning to the enemy, it is a threat to anyone, and not necessarily during a war. Would you like something that will not kill you, but will torture you mercilessly for a long time, and okay, but all your loved ones and you will not even have the strength to interrupt their life so as not to suffer? You will be comforted at this moment, who and how is dying somewhere else? Would you like those who did not even think about such a step before, because you became a threat to them as well? You understand that thousands of warheads are not needed for cobalt poisoning, the European part of which is 83% of the Russian population is fatally infected with one hundred. One British military leader at one time spoke out against one military project, not because it was not effective, but because the creation of such weapons by others would change the military approach and from his point of view it was better so that it would not exist at all. And we are talking about a dirt bomb, which in the worldview of people has been associated until now only with an act of fanatical terror.
      1. Nadrub
        Nadrub 26 January 2021 22: 52
        +1
        And I have speakers in a hi-fi system with cobalt magnets: (what should I throw out or bury?
        1. ironic
          ironic 27 January 2021 16: 36
          -2
          If it is the 59th isotope, do not irradiate. wink
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 27 January 2021 12: 37
      -5
      Quote: Barkhan
      We don't need a planet without Russians ...


      The Russians will remain on the planet even after the exchange of thermonuclear strikes. But after the cobalt bomb - no.
  • Monar
    Monar 26 January 2021 19: 53
    +3
    Where did you get this nonsense about cobalt?
    1. ironic
      ironic 26 January 2021 20: 24
      -7
      What kind of nonsense and why?
  • psiho117
    psiho117 26 January 2021 20: 48
    +6
    Quote: ironic
    Cobalt filler is a kind of dirty bomb
    Oh filler wassat
    You are very far away, as I can see ... Ask at your leisure how thermonuclear bombs are arranged.
    Well, it is believed that at least 500 tons of cobalt is needed, while the detonation should be atmospheric, not underwater.

    And in general, what suddenly jumped you on the "dirty bomb" in relation to Poseidon? Why such a flight of fantasy?
    1. ironic
      ironic 26 January 2021 21: 26
      -6
      Not that far. My grandmother was deputy. the department of medical radiology at the first Soviet research reactor in Pomerki, where the technology for creating cobalt guns was developed.
      Cobalt-59 is irradiated with the appropriate dose in order to obtain Cobalt-60, and now it is already a working fluid. In the case of a dirty bomb, the nuclear charge should be detonated in such a way that, on one side, the cobalt shell from the 59th is uniformly irradiated and, if possible, evenly scattered axially with a consistent radioactive dust. I know how thermonuclear ammunition works as a whole, it is easy to read in the era of universal infomatics and a developed network. 500T of Cobalt guarantee the universal death of all life and vegetation on Earth and in the ocean forever ... well, at least for a very long time. For the total destruction of all life on land, you need less and certainly less for the most residential areas of humanity. Equipped with a cobalt shell, the charge for Poseidon will be a dirty bomb. fantasy or not, it's not for me, it's for the authors of the project.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 27 January 2021 02: 05
        +2
        Quote: ironic
        fantasy or not, it's not for me, it's for the authors of the project.

        This is just a fantasy. Your fantasy.
        You are generally the first person, in my memory, who called Poseidon a means of delivering a "dirty bomb" - and I saw a sufficient number of various conjectures and insinuations on the topic of Poseidon, Stasus-6, plans of our Divine Emperor Ting Pu (may his years last hi ), and other-other-other.
        But about cobalt bombs - for the first time.
        I respect the flight of your imagination ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 27 January 2021 16: 38
          -3
          Those. Do you respect the flight of imagination of the RF Ministry of Defense which intentionally or not intentionally leaked information on the Status? You have a good opinion of my modest person, equating my fantasies with the fantasies of the whole RF Ministry of Defense.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 27 January 2021 12: 38
      -1
      Quote: psiho117
      And in general, what suddenly jumped you on the "dirty bomb" in relation to Poseidon?


      The fact that Poseidon carries a cobalt bomb has been written for a long time.
      1. ironic
        ironic 27 January 2021 16: 39
        -3
        He's not a reader, he is a writer.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 26 January 2021 19: 50
    +4
    Quote: Mister X
    The main thing is that they began to take Russia seriously.

    Who and where? How unrequited spread rot with sanctions, and rot, or maybe diplomatic property in the United States was given away?
  • Israel
    Israel 5 March 2021 21: 16
    0
    In military terms, Russia has always been taken seriously, after all, there is a solid arsenal of nuclear weapons, and even without it, Russia has serious military power. The United States does not risk starting a war against Iran, which has neither nuclear weapons nor strategic missiles at all.

    But the world has changed a long time ago and now the economy, technology rules, and here Russia is still at the level of that "always drunk but sensible man", it seems that his hands are straight and knows how to work, but alcohol (corruption) interferes.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 04: 45
    +16
    Hypothesis No. 3. Pessimistic. Poseidon is a real weapon, but you shouldn't be afraid of it.

    I am for the third option ... do not worry, the Americans are not weapons against you ... but against terrorists and pirates in the Gulf of Mexico, by analogy with the US missile defense system in Romania and Poland against Iran and North Korea.
    1. ironic
      ironic 26 January 2021 18: 18
      -7
      Terrorist weapons against terrorists in the Gulf of Mexico, capable of primarily poisoning the Arctic Ocean? Well, I would say the 23rd option right away.
  • nsm1
    nsm1 26 January 2021 04: 56
    -7
    And when the hour "H" comes, the devices, having received the corresponding signal
    At a kilometer deep?
    How so?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 11
      0
      At a kilometer deep?

      Where did you read this?
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 17
        -5
        Not here, but it is written in many places that the diving depth is 1000m.
        Not even 1000, all the same - he can only wait at the bottom.
        Or do you propose to drift, earn extra money with an engine, release an antenna?
        The waxing option with a signal is not feasible, IMHO.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 26
          +2
          Not here, but it is written in many places that the diving depth is 1000m.

          I also do not read a lot of things here ... until no one has revealed the performance characteristics of the Poseidons ... why waste time on trifles, let the Poseidons drive them into the Mariana Trench ... let them wait in the wings there.
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 28
            -6
            Do not care about performance characteristics, 50 meters of water is still not an insurmountable obstacle, even for ELF.
            Excuses.
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 36
              +7
              Do not care about performance characteristics, 50 meters of water is still not an insurmountable obstacle, even for ELF.
              Excuses.

              Why then did the Americans get excited about Poseidon ... since he is so vulnerable then there is nothing to be afraid of him.
              1. nsm1
                nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 41
                0
                Why would he become vulnerable?
                Where does such a "deep" conclusion come from?
                It's not about vulnerability at all, about receiving a signal for combat use.
                After all, as usual, it is possible, as usual, to use the VLF on the floating antenna on the boat.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 26 January 2021 13: 03
                  +1
                  Do not care about performance characteristics, 50 meters of water is still not an insurmountable obstacle, even for ELF.

                  It's not about vulnerability at all, about receiving a signal for combat use.

                  It turns out that you are a supporter hypothesis number 4 not foreseen by the author of the article. wink
                  Do you think that Poseidon exists, but cannot receive a command to use it?
                  Almost an optimist! bully
              2. ironic
                ironic 26 January 2021 15: 47
                -6
                They are afraid not of this, but of what will happen if this fool explodes in the world's oceans with a cobolt filling. And the Russians are afraid of this no less than the Americans. Because this can sooner happen near the Russian coast.
            2. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
              VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 26 January 2021 07: 46
              +5
              For communication, you can release the buoy!
              1. Boratsagdiev
                Boratsagdiev 26 January 2021 13: 01
                +4
                You, of course, did not know anything about superlong waves and that a system based on them has been used for a long time?
                1. Boratsagdiev
                  Boratsagdiev 26 January 2021 16: 40
                  +2
                  There are so many specialists at VO that it is the first time they hear about long-wave communication with submersible submersibles anywhere in the world? ...
                  "oh my god"
            3. astepanov
              astepanov 26 January 2021 10: 23
              +5
              The signal can be, for example, an increase in the level of the radioactive background due to isotopes specific for nuclear explosions. At the same time, the depth does not play any piano, since the water is mixed by currents. In the event of a large-scale war, such an increase will occur at depth only in weeks or even months - but this does not change anything: the "dead hand" will work.
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 26 January 2021 11: 42
                -5
                Quote: astepanov
                an increase in the level of radioactive background due to isotopes specific for nuclear explosions. At the same time, the depth does not play any piano, since the water is mixed by currents

                How will isotopes from the charge get into the surrounding water?
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov 26 January 2021 13: 01
                  +4
                  Have you heard about radioactive contamination from nuclear explosions?
                  1. Narak-zempo
                    Narak-zempo 26 January 2021 13: 04
                    -4
                    Quote: astepanov
                    Have you heard about radioactive contamination from nuclear explosions?

                    I heard.
                    But before the explosion the charge is actually sealed.
                    1. astepanov
                      astepanov 26 January 2021 13: 07
                      +5
                      And the Poseidons should be activated AFTER a massive nuclear strike, right? These are the same weapons of retaliation, not attack.
                      1. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 26 January 2021 13: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: astepanov
                        And the Poseidons should be activated AFTER a massive nuclear strike, right? These are the same weapons of retaliation, not attack.

                        It is, of course, yes. But it is better if this retaliation is preventive, then perhaps the attack will not follow.
                      2. astepanov
                        astepanov 26 January 2021 15: 09
                        +1
                        Don't talk nonsense. Poseidons, in principle, are not suitable for a preemptive strike: they cannot cover any silo-based missiles, large command posts, or mobile complexes. Just in the event of a strike on the coast, there will be an immediate response. There are strategic missile systems for a preemptive strike.
                      3. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 26 January 2021 16: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: astepanov
                        There are strategic missile systems for a preemptive strike.

                        They are in no way suited for a preemptive strike. Because, whatever you do in near-earth space, it will not work imperceptibly, the striped buttons will have time to press.
                        And here in advance, imperceptibly, the charges are placed off the coast, at naval bases in the areas of maneuvering of ship groupings and SLBMs. Plus, of course, it would be nice to have several charges in orbit, disguised as civilian satellites.
                        And all this is undermined on signal - simultaneously with the launch of ballistic missiles. The naval component of the striped missile defense will be destroyed, the ground component will be blinded.
                      4. astepanov
                        astepanov 26 January 2021 16: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        The naval component of the striped missile defense will be destroyed, the ground component will be blinded.

                        Figo with butter. Inertial guidance systems cannot be blinded; you can only destroy the marine component along a narrow coastal strip. Submarines don't care. Leave the sweet dreams of a "preemptive strike" to high school girls and computer games.
                      5. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 26 January 2021 17: 26
                        -7
                        Think Russophobic.
                      6. astepanov
                        astepanov 26 January 2021 17: 44
                        +6
                        And what is Russophobia? Or does patriotism consist in passing off illiterate nonsense as reality?
                      7. ironic
                        ironic 26 January 2021 20: 49
                        -5
                        Those. all who are against the very idea of ​​intimidation with a dirty bomb, for well, not very small money, hate the Russians? And the Russians, who are against such an idea, are traitors? Who are the traitors? Who else are Russophobes? And besides fear of the Russians, what other feelings are there?
                      8. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 26 January 2021 23: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: ironic
                        And besides fear of the Russians, what other feelings are there?

                        There are.
                        Recognition of the Russians' merits, gratitude to the Russians, reverence for the Russians, wine for the Russians.
                        And those who are inaccessible to these feelings are spiritless. Let them tremble!
                      9. psiho117
                        psiho117 27 January 2021 02: 08
                        +1
                        Feelings do happen ... that's just those who make decisions - either generally insensitive bastards, or their feelings towards Russia, at the level of "Schaub you died as soon as possible, and the zemstvo was rewritten on us."
                        So they will not tremble - this is not their behavioral algorithm.
                      10. ironic
                        ironic 27 January 2021 16: 43
                        0
                        And those who do not tremble and have nothing to be grateful for, they have no merits and do not revere, and do not feel guilt, and even, oh horror, do not tremble, but have their own authoritative opinion about spirituality? Their Poplar or should we wait for Poseidon with Cobalt?
              2. ironic
                ironic 26 January 2021 20: 46
                -3
                They do not go anywhere, because it is forbidden by the treaty and the first such attempt will immediately entail a blow to the carrier and the corresponding level of conflict.
              3. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 26 January 2021 23: 57
                -2
                Quote: ironic
                the first such attempt will immediately entail a blow to the carrier and an appropriate level of conflict.

                As the saying goes, they beat me not because they stole, but because they got caught.
                It must be placed so that they do not burn - both on the shelf and in orbit.
              4. ironic
                ironic 27 January 2021 16: 44
                +1
                And if they burn, and burn, then for what, or again, it was better for us at once by Topol?
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 January 2021 14: 44
          0
          Quote: astepanov
          There are strategic missile systems for a preemptive strike.

          A preemptive strike can only be delivered by a system with a flight time to the designated target less than the time the system responds to RNU.
          With such a system, amov m. only SSBN with EPR in the Barents-North-Norwegian Sea or in the Arctic Ocean polynyas.
          The second option is an MRBM in Europ, an invisible aircraft ... and space weapons (in the future).
          ICBMs fly too long and can incinerate only the cities of the aggressor and its industry, so that later it will be discouraged.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 January 2021 14: 33
        +1
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        retaliation will be preventive,

        Preemptive "retaliation" is so familiar! It's so American!
        Ode trouble: for some reason such "retribution" is called AGGRESSION!
      3. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 27 January 2021 15: 23
        -2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Ode trouble: for some reason such "retribution" is called AGGRESSION!

        Aggression is when the aggressor attacks. Russia is not an aggressor.
      4. ironic
        ironic 27 January 2021 16: 50
        0
        When it is not, when it is yes.
    2. ironic
      ironic 27 January 2021 16: 45
      +1
      And shozh is still not? There were so many opportunities.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 January 2021 16: 48
      -1
      Quote: ironic
      And shozh is still not? There were so many opportunities.

      The 90s they were screwed up .. And now it's too late to drink Borjomi: the answer will arrive very inedible. Indigestion can die outright!
    4. ironic
      ironic 27 January 2021 18: 27
      +1
      They cannot, at least not to a greater extent than the Russian Federation. 83% of whose population is located in a much smaller area than the United States, and even framed by mountain ranges, like a truncated pyramid. The rearmament of the heaviest missiles has not begun, and their term has expired, the SSBN is not in the best condition for rearmament, but the conventional superiority of the United States. Why not now, why not the last few years, when there have not yet been so many Yars re-armed?
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 27 January 2021 17: 44
    -1
    Quote: ironic
    And shozh is still not? There were so many opportunities.

    So the time has not come yet.
  • ironic
    ironic 27 January 2021 18: 29
    +1
    Will it come when to finish rearmament on Yars, Borei and Sarmatians in addition? Do you really think Zadornov's America is like that?
  • jonht
    jonht 26 January 2021 12: 50
    +3
    I will not reveal the secret, but yes, microwave waves quickly die out in water. That's just for communication with the nuclear submarine use ultra-long WAVES, however, the receiving antenna must have a decent length. If you want to look in more detail in the internet, there was an article about the features of communication in the aquatic environment.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 27 January 2021 14: 27
    -1
    Quote: nsm1
    Do not care about performance characteristics, 50 meters of water is still not an insurmountable obstacle, even for ELF.

    Even the 971M project is capable of receiving the SBU, being at a depth of 100m. For this, there are towed receiving antennas. I believe 09851 will be equipped with "this" in full ... Methods and means of bringing the SBU to the attention of the forces are now given very serious importance. Even space is involved, not to mention the ADV ...
  • ironic
    ironic 26 January 2021 15: 51
    0
    Which, by the way, is illegal.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 33
    +9
    Quote: nsm1
    The waxing option with a signal is not feasible,

    But they still do laughing
    After all, what designers and developers overlooked such a "trifle" laughing
    Well on VO they were exposed laughing
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 34
      -6
      Where did you get this information?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 January 2021 06: 32
        +1
        What information?
        1. nsm1
          nsm1 26 January 2021 06: 34
          -6
          Any.
          You are in kind nothing do not know.
          Even what is "defense".
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 26 January 2021 06: 37
            0
            Quote: nsm1
            You don't know anything by nature.

            Well, what kind of "ehspirt" you are, I already understood laughing
            Even what is "defense".

            I know you better
            What is LZGT you know?
            1. nsm1
              nsm1 26 January 2021 06: 40
              -8
              Fairy tales will not work.
              You have already exposed yourself to some extent.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 26 January 2021 06: 44
                0
                Quote: nsm1

                0
                Fairy tales will not work.

                Swam, we know.
                Typical excuse when there is nothing to say laughing
                You have already exposed yourself to some extent.

                Run to the FSB, tell us about the exposure laughing
                But answer the question, what is LZGT and what was produced there.
                And who does he work for
                Although I was there for a little, four years, I worked
                1. nsm1
                  nsm1 26 January 2021 06: 48
                  -7
                  Think what you want, like that to a light bulb.
                  But I no longer intend to listen to your fairy tales, to answer absolutely stupid questions.
                  Good day, like. laughing
                2. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 26 January 2021 06: 53
                  0
                  Quote: nsm1
                  questions I no longer intend.

                  fellow Uraaa, now I will not listen to nonsense told with a smart look laughing
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 26 January 2021 07: 18
    +4
    Not even 1000, all the same - he can only wait at the bottom.
    Who told you such nonsense ??? The Germans invented and used systems for positioning and maintaining depth and direction on boats of the XXIIC series.
    The waxing option with a signal is not feasible, IMHO.
    Secretly ... There is such a thing - underwater communication. It acts throughout the entire ball, not just in line of sight. And there are more options. Taking into account the nuclear power plant, the threatened period is completely covered by the power of the apparatus.
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 26 January 2021 07: 24
      -4
      Quote: NDR-791
      Positioning and holding systems for depth and direction

      Silent?
      And the enemy has no sonar?
      Quote: NDR-791
      There is such a thing - underwater communication.

      But for some reason, they use ELF for communication with boats.

      I’m not saying that positioning is not possible, but I believe that stealth will drop so much.
      Those. it is possible and so, but should I ...
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 26 January 2021 07: 29
        +2
        And the enemy has no sonar?
        They are not going to be released as they are made. And the threatened period or do not let the fighting ... There and to catch them, few people will remain. In the end, even if there are satellite constellations, even AUGs are not tracked in real time. And at a depth of 1000 (I think this is an underestimated figure) the GUS sees little. And the fact that you called ELF is it and it is - underwater. Only for boat-to-boat communication the power is low, but for boat-shore communication it is already completely different.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 26 January 2021 10: 00
      -1
      even from detonation (??) nuclear weapons can move to the target. protected - from an earthquake. ha ha
      this is how world peace will be.
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  • ccsr
    ccsr 26 January 2021 11: 49
    -2
    Quote: nsm1
    Not here, but it is written in many places that the diving depth is 1000m.
    Not even 1000, all the same - he can only wait at the bottom.
    Or do you propose to drift, earn extra money with an engine, release an antenna?
    The waxing option with a signal is not feasible, IMHO.

    Indeed, it is almost impossible to operate such a weapon at a depth of 1000 m by conventional means. But I do not exclude that a number of inexpensive repeater buoys can be created for this, which will be able to receive control signals via satellites or HF radio communication in a sub-surface state, and then issue a command to the Poseidons through hydroacoustic communication.
    As for the drift and engine running, I do not exclude that it is possible that a conventional radioisotope thermogenerator is used for this, which can work for years and provide low speed and maneuvering for this product.
    So not everything is so sad with the control and movement of "Poseidon" - the question is quite different. And this is the cost and reliability of the system as a whole. If our theorists prove that the product will cost the country less, and the reliability is higher than that of the nuclear submarine, then there is no doubt that this system will be put into service.
  • KCA
    KCA 26 January 2021 05: 29
    +8
    At the modern level, it is quite possible, by sending a ballistic missile with a sound emitter to the Poseidon deployment area, the Vityaz was controlled and transmitted a video signal from a depth of 10 km without cables
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 30
      -6
      So you can, I agree ...
      But there are also many questions.
      At least one should send to everyone, it is unnatural to collect everything in a heap.
      Maybe a rocket directly to the Americans? wink
      1. KCA
        KCA 26 January 2021 05: 42
        +2
        Based on the dimensions of the Poseidon, it is possible to install a charge on it not by 2 megatons, which, for some reason, they like to sound, but by a couple of orders of magnitude more, by 200, there is no rocket for the mass of such a charge
        1. Aag
          Aag 26 January 2021 06: 13
          +1
          Quote: KCA
          Based on the dimensions of the Poseidon, it is possible to install a charge on it not by 2 megatons, which, for some reason, they like to sound, but by a couple of orders of magnitude more, by 200, there is no rocket for the mass of such a charge

          More often we come across information about 1 Mt ...
    2. tlauicol
      tlauicol 26 January 2021 05: 42
      +5
      Quote: KCA
      At the modern level, it is quite possible, by sending a ballistic missile with a sound emitter to the Poseidon deployment area, the Vityaz was controlled and transmitted a video signal from a depth of 10 km without cables

      so for this the carrier ship stood directly above the apparatus. And even then, the second bathyscaphe on the wire control launched, through which the relay was carried out.
      IMHO: in two days all the ships will leave the ports, the troops and equipment will leave-meaning in Poseidon? When you can take 20 ICBMs and solve the problem in minutes. Moreover, at any point (at 20 points), not just on an empty coast
      1. KCA
        KCA 26 January 2021 05: 51
        0
        So for the transmission of a signal to start, a stable connection is not needed, as for the transmission of a video signal, no one canceled the encrypted telegraph communication, and the transmission of dot-dash at a much greater distance works, and the signal is repeated for 10 days, somehow the Poseidons will receive it ... The ships will leave, but where will they return to? If everyone can get out, then a powerful naval group of 11 AUGs will appear under the general name "The Flying Dutchman"
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 26 January 2021 06: 38
        -3
        IMHO: in two days all the ships will leave the ports, the troops and equipment will leave-meaning in Poseidon?

        you are confusing Poseidon's purpose with conventional ICBMs. If the former have the task of disabling military and industrial facilities, then Poseidon is a weapon of intimidation. From the coast to Washington, the shock wave will reach in 2 minutes, and the tsunami wave in 6 minutes. And that's not counting radiation and pollution as damaging factors.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 26 January 2021 11: 33
          +3
          Poseidon does not apply along the east coast. Only in the west.
          Washington past
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 26 January 2021 11: 41
            -1
            Poseidon does not apply along the east coast. Only in the west.
            Washington past

            but can't the host be able to go to the Atlantic?
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 26 January 2021 15: 52
              +6
              If Iceland, Great Britain, all theoretically possible landing sites for UAVs in Greenland are burned to the ground with nuclear weapons, the entire submarine of the United States and NATO is destroyed and most of their NKs capable of performing ASW missions are melted, it will be able to destroy ground nodes of underwater warning systems.

              But why would he need it then?
              1. venik
                venik 26 January 2021 17: 40
                +2
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                If Iceland, Great Britain, all theoretically possible landing sites for UAVs in Greenland are burned to the ground with nuclear weapons, the entire submarine of the United States and NATO is destroyed and most of their NKs capable of performing ASW missions are melted, it will be able to destroy ground nodes of underwater warning systems.

                ========
                And what, to pass under the ice of the Arctic, to round the northern coast of Canada and Greenland, a system with nuclear EHM can't? Not enough fuel? lol
                1. K298rtm
                  K298rtm 26 January 2021 22: 43
                  +1
                  In order to pass the specified path (beyond Greenland), the device must be a mini-pl with the OBO system and be controlled by artificial intelligence.
                2. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 27 January 2021 10: 44
                  +1
                  And there in Alert is a hydroacoustic reconnaissance center, through which they monitor the networks of bottom hydrophones in the Naris Strait and the straits of the Canadian archipelago.
                  And, most likely, it is redundant, that is, if you cover it, then most likely the hydrophones will not go anywhere.
                  1. K298rtm
                    K298rtm 27 January 2021 22: 39
                    0
                    They installed this in those places after some Viktor's trip to the distant 80s.
                    1. timokhin-aa
                      timokhin-aa 28 January 2021 00: 14
                      +1
                      paved in 1990
    3. venik
      venik 26 January 2021 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: KCA
      At the current level, it is quite possible, by sending a ballistic missile with a sound emitter to the Poseidon deployment area

      ========
      As an option - of course it will do ... But why is it so difficult if since the mid-80s there has been a radio communication system with submarines in a submerged position? True, such a connection is one-way: it is possible to send messages "there" (or encoded signals), but to receive an answer - alas - no! Well, it’s not necessary: ​​that "Poseidon" should "communicate" with someone ?? Received a coded signal - and switched from "sleep" mode - to active!
      1. KCA
        KCA 26 January 2021 10: 57
        -1
        To transmit the VLF signal, many kilometers of antennas are needed, I don’t know, for reception too, or not?
        1. venik
          venik 26 January 2021 17: 33
          +1
          Quote: KCA
          To transmit the VLF signal, many kilometers of antennas are needed, I don’t know, for reception too, or not?

          =======
          But just for reception, then long multi-kilometer antennas are just Not needed! hi
  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 26 January 2021 06: 52
    +6
    Alternatively, seismic sensors record a characteristic signature of a nuclear explosion, especially not a single one, and triggers the activation of the device. repeat
  • venik
    venik 26 January 2021 10: 11
    +3
    Quote: nsm1
    At a kilometer deep?
    How so?

    ========
    And what, ultra-long radio waves through sea water are already do not pass? belay what
    Or is the Zeus transmitter no longer functioning on the Kola Peninsula?
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 34
    +2
    Not an easy choice for the American man in the street, who does not like any elections at all, except the presidential ones.

    And how they fell in love with the latter ...
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 26 January 2021 05: 46
    +6
    How bae Americans themselves admitted that this is a classic weapon of deterrence.
    As far as I understood their bewilderment, they did not understand why we need a weapon that cannot be used for an attack. This does not fit into their minds, apparently.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 26 January 2021 13: 50
      -1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      they did not understand why we need a weapon that cannot be used to attack.

      For an attack, a hydrogen tsunami is even better suited. One hit and there are no ports and all major cities on the entire coast.
      And no nuclear winter will follow.
      Clean up the trash and explore the uninhabited coast (if the charges are without cobalt).
      Something that doesn't get hit by a tsunami, traditional rockets and so on, but first a tsunami.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 January 2021 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Something that doesn't get hit by a tsunami, traditional rockets and so on, but first a tsunami.

        What a cheerful and optimistic you are, however! .. fellow
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 27 January 2021 18: 33
          0
          This is the American principle of communication. They believe that when you come with a kind word and a pistol, they understand you sooner and better than if you came just with a kind word.
          "Poseidon" is just that "gun" that very well complements our kind words and promotes mutual understanding.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 26 January 2021 05: 49
    +3
    And while all of America racks its brains over the fact that this is a successful propaganda trick of Putin or still military vehicles, enough time can pass
    but I would not count on that much.
    There are too many people who want to move to countries with a warmer climate.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 26 January 2021 05: 58
    +1
    In principle, hepotises have a place to be. Of course, Americans are unpleasant that there is only a presentation (cartoon) and a statement by the President of the Russian Federation, but Poseidon is not shown at exhibitions (do not touch it with your hands, that is, do not confirm the existence of this device, but please admire the graphics). IMHO. Let's say it is, and Putin (as a gentleman at the gambling table) should be believed, but this device will be used only in cases of nuclear war, and in such a war, no matter what the war charge is delivered, the effect will be one - destruction on a geographical scale. There is a military-industrial complex in the USA now he will be given those tasks, they will come up with something (yes at least their own Poseidon, with wheels), from the ship to the ball (from the sea to the land) .. fantastic bully
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 January 2021 06: 51
    0
    It is better not to check the possibility of building and military reconciliation of Poseidon, otherwise suddenly we will succeed in both. ... belay
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 January 2021 08: 28
    -1
    I don't even understand why they need a carrier? Make a couple of bases like Balaklava anywhere in the region of Murmansk and the Far East (with access to the Ocean) and let them sail out on patrol in the threatened period ..... lost contact with the headquarters (or the "dead hand" sent a command) and sailed along their goals ..... and there already a day or two does not play a role. The impact of the BR will already be delivered, the dust will scatter, the people will leave the shelters ... and then the miracle torpedoes will come. And some kind of torpedoes will float for the AUG constantly and undermine them.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 26 January 2021 09: 26
      +4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      let them swim out on patrol in a threatened period ..... lost contact with the headquarters (or the "dead hand" sent a command) and swam to their targets

      Those. to release several devices with nuclear warheads into the sea for free grazing without any supervision? And if the enemy catches it? And if the connection fails for technical reasons, and the miracle torpedo decides that it's time for the whole world to go to dust? Such an idea, to be honest.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 January 2021 09: 44
        0
        .... in a dangerous period. Key phrase.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 27 January 2021 12: 43
          -1
          A dangerous period does not necessarily end with a war.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 27 January 2021 15: 31
            -1
            Maybe not .... like the Cuban missile crisis. Bombers in the air, Poseidon in the depths ...
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 27 January 2021 16: 48
              0
              And then a communication failure and everything is kapets.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 27 January 2021 18: 05
                -1
                This is force majeure
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 26 January 2021 10: 06
        0
        let the Americans themselves guard the piece of the bottom - "our death lies at the bottom - you need to love her, or else get angry"
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 26 January 2021 11: 28
      +4
      I don't even understand why they need a carrier? Make a couple of bases like Balaklava anywhere in the region of Murmansk and the Far East (with access to the Ocean) and let them sail out on patrol in a threatened period.


      Google torpedo bag. This is about bases with Poseidons on earth
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 January 2021 15: 21
        -1
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        I don't even understand why they need a carrier?

        I suppose to deploy to the RDB. Then this machine will also be used against the AVM. Kit was ready to work on them at one time. And this machine will not run out for 5 days, I suppose ...
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Google torpedo bag.

        Alexander, why don't you recommend googling about self-exit from the "grid" !? bully Then, there are already hydraulic systems that will spit out without a torpedo bag, and even with acceleration! And such a fool as 3M29 can only go for a walk (after the sign "in the womb" and balancing-trimming).
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 27 January 2021 18: 02
          +1
          And such a fool as 3M29 can only go for a walk (after the sign "in the womb" and balancing-trimming).


          What trim? How will it be trimmed? There are NO ballast tanks, there are no bow rudders, and the mass is such that it was necessary to fence an eight-axle carriage under it, such as a rocket car, but under a large mass.

          It's kind of hinting. For fat circumstances.

          Why and basing in Kamchatka, there is a drop of depths nearby, there is a reserve for gaining speed.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 27 January 2021 18: 15
            -1
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            It's kind of hinting. For fat circumstances.

            "Well, it seems to me a very simple thing:
            wanted a cook, but ate a cook ,,, "(c)
            Most likely, the product on "holders" (of the "mechanical arm" type) will be carried out of the hangar and launch its own remote control. With the increase in power, uncoupling will occur, and 3M29 will go according to the program.
            It is even difficult for me to "shoot" such a fool from a TA (?), How to spit out a 120t fool into an open water area ...
            And than. It is necessary for the nuclear power plant to gain power ... This also means something! Therefore, there can be no talk of "bags". But I agree, there will probably be 300-500 meters of application depth limitations.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 30 January 2021 21: 18
              0
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              It is even difficult for me to "shoot" such a fool from a TA (?), How to spit out a 120t fool into an open water area ...

              To allow launching directly from the pier, Poseidon can be housed in an ampouled steel cylindrical container with hinged back and front covers. The ampulized container is pulled together with steel belts on pyrobolts with two cylindrical floats.
              Immediately before the Poseidon launch, fill the gap between Poseidon's hull and the container walls with seawater. Detach the front and back covers of the container with pyrobolts. They turn on the low speed and Poseidon leaves the bay right from the pier. To ensure launch in winter, when the bay is covered with ice, the scheme can be complicated. Controlled valves are installed in the floats to ensure the possibility of partial filling of the floats with seawater. In this case, after receiving the start command, valves in the floats are opened, and the floats are partially filled with seawater. A bundle of an ampouled Poseidon container with floats sinks below the bottom edge of the ice floes. Immediately before the Poseidon launch, fill the gap between Poseidon's hull and the container walls with seawater. Detach the front and back covers of the container with pyrobolts. Then Poseidon turns on a low speed and a bundle of Poseidon's container with floats in a submerged position picks up speed sufficient to prevent a torpedo bag. After dialing the necessary one, explosive bolts are blown up and Poseidon is disconnected from the walls of the container. Increase the engine speed. Poseidon exits the container and goes to the target.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 31 January 2021 13: 35
                0
                Quote: Svetlana
                Poseidon exits the container and goes to the target.

                Well, maybe Poseidon will come out of the container ...
                We are talking about launching from a carrier. How he will come out of the hangar (niche, valance, etc.). That's what it is about. This is the first thing.
                Secondly, communication with the board will be broken only after loading all the firing data into the avionics. But he will go according to the program under the control of AI until the time when there is a need to "evade" the PLC or bypass an underwater obstacle when you have lost the recommended course. Such an UUV must have a very strong computing complex and very sensitive ears / sensors / analyzers / detectors ... And this means highly advanced software and microminiaturization of avionics elements.
                Well, and if the amas put 48 electronic computers on their 2s, then there are 2M # on board (there must be at least 4! Or more ...
                IMHO.
                1. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 1 February 2021 10: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  We are talking about launching from a carrier.

                  You mentioned the already resolved launch issue:
                  "there are already hydraulic systems that will spit out without a torpedo bag, and even with acceleration"
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  How will he leave the hangar (niche, valance, etc.)

                  There are no big differences between the hangar (niche, valance), similar to the former submarine base in Balaklava, from a simple pier (except of course the greater protection of the underground hangar due to the presence of a roof and a rock above it).
                  The concept of Poseidon firing in a container on floats directly from the pier will untie Poseidon from a large carrier (nuclear submarine Belgorod), reduce the cost of Poseidon's maintenance, and reduce its noise.
                  A propeller closed by a casing of a water jet propeller makes less noise than a similar propeller without a casing, since the casing dampens sounds. Therefore, the small stroke of Poseidon, fixed on pyrobolts inside the coaxial container, will be less noisy than the movement of Poseidon without the container. In addition, the floats will provide Poseidon with a travel speed that is lower than without floats, without falling into a torpedo bag. For additional dampening of sounds, the body of the Poseidon container can be covered with a layer of noise-absorbing rubber.
                  To preheat the coolant of the Poseidon nuclear reactor before launch, it is possible to place cylindrical channels made of heat-resistant metal (tantalum, tungsten, niobium, rhenium) in the coolant tank and / or around the nuclear reactor, filled, for example, with an iron-aluminum SHS-thermite mixture Fe2O3 = 75%; Al = 25%. Before the launch of the nuclear reactor, the termite is set on fire and its heat is heated by the coolant of the Poseidon nuclear reactor, although of course it is better to heat it with electric heating elements if there is a power plant on the Poseidon storage base.
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 1 February 2021 15: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Svetlana
                    reduce its noise ... the low speed of Poseidon, fixed on fire bolts inside a coaxial container will be less noisy than Poseidon's movement without a container.
                    Yeah, the flight of imagination is unlimited by the site! One ... problem: the shooting of fire bolts - well, it will go on completely soundlessly ... And of course the amas will not hear him. And if they hear, then ... they won't understand what's what, and if they do, they won't believe their ears and the recorders ...
                    In short, no need to fantasize. It will be launched after the signboard, while still in the hold with the carrier. And then it will go according to the program through the areas of course correction with underwater determination of its place by underwater landmarks ... (Underwater echo sonar of the bottom topography, noticeable (protruding) landmarks). So far, this is all that has been pulled out of the media. hi
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 January 2021 08: 31
    +2
    Another article in Forbes caused a stir, moreover, more in our country than in the USA. Indeed, everyone is interested in how real "Status-6" or "Poseidon" is and whether it is worth to be afraid and afraid of.
  • Mikhail Zakharov
    Mikhail Zakharov 26 January 2021 09: 03
    +5
    from Poseidon there will be no tsunami and even a strong wave there will be no weak charge. until he swims all the enemies will scatter. the blow will only be in one direction; the other half will go into the ocean. in short, a useless expensive scarecrow toy. it would be better if they built normal boats with normal missiles
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 26 January 2021 11: 28
      +4
      Yes that's right.
      1. Firelake
        Firelake 26 January 2021 14: 24
        -2
        I think it's like SDI. The same scarecrow.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 26 January 2021 15: 53
          +3
          No. This theme has been sawing since 1984
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 January 2021 09: 17
    -4
    Indeed, it was not worth spending so much money and so radically altering the boat so that it would serve exclusively propaganda.
    Funny statement. In general, in order for this level of propaganda to pass, it makes sense not only to remake the boat for any money, but also to remake the port, city and the entire region. SUCH propaganda will justify any costs.
    On the other hand, the construction of such devices is quite possible. The likelihood that they exist is extremely high. Hehe ...
  • Kalmar
    Kalmar 26 January 2021 09: 29
    +5
    If "Belgorod" is really made for "Poseidon", then it is difficult to deny that having taken on board 6 of these devices, "Belgorod" will not be able to secretly deliver them to the deployment area. It can easily.

    A bold statement. "Belgorod" was created as if on the basis of 949A, which by today's standards does not amaze the imagination with its low noise. And the probable enemy at this time is actively developing means of searching for submarines (a number of articles have already been about this on VO). Plus the well-loved topic of anti-submarine defense of naval bases, plus the enemy's superiority in the number of modern (and non-modern too) nuclear submarines. Well that is in theory, "Belgorod" has a chance to secretly leave the base and deliver something somewhere, but certainly not "easily".
    1. jonht
      jonht 26 January 2021 13: 03
      0
      Noisiness is a relative concept, for example, at 25 nodes it is noisy, but at 9 nodes it is already quiet, and 5 is so inaudible drinks
      Just getting into position and breaking away from following, if found unrealistic.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 January 2021 09: 41
    0
    Ha.
    "And while all of America is puzzling over ..."
    The world revolves around blondes))), and not around Poseidon.
    The vast majority of amers do not care.

    And the rest .... They already have tested underwater drones, including round the world. There are also new working means of detection ....... They wrote, only an automatic machine. there are no combat assets yet, they are working (mine-torpedo, etc.)
    1. agond
      agond 26 January 2021 11: 59
      -1
      If the word "Poseidon" means "sow the bottom" while the role of the sower is assigned to Belgorod, then the question arises which bottom of which ocean are they going to sow and where, if this is the Atlantic, then the average depths are 5.5 km, if the Pacific, then about 3.5 km, and the shelf on both coasts of the United States it is rather narrow, and therefore well controlled, it is probably possible to put something on it, but on Belgorod it is not suitable. If we assume that this something itself can swim from afar and go to the bottom means that the reactor of the apparatus must be started up, and then put into sleep mode and is waiting for a restart for a long time, which seriously complicates the task., While the reactor will be shut down. create an increased radioactive background, which will facilitate the search for the device on the shelf, because it is not too deep there.
      Conclusion, the shelf is not the most suitable place. we must go further from the coast, to a depth of 5 km,
  • LeoL00
    LeoL00 26 January 2021 11: 28
    0
    Interestingly, and K. Reef does not admit that this thing is already resting on the ground somewhere at an estimated distance from the coast?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 26 January 2021 12: 03
    +1
    Belgorod is based on the 949 project, but with no noise there ...
    1. agond
      agond 26 January 2021 12: 44
      +1
      Yes, it is big and noisy, something that is imperceptibly put on the shelf under the nose of the United States is not a task for him, and he cannot patrol with a supply of Poseidons on board, he only has to explore the ocean.
      1. ironic
        ironic 26 January 2021 21: 10
        +1
        Putting something on the shelf is not a task at all, because it is illegal and in itself can cause a war.
  • A1845
    A1845 26 January 2021 13: 04
    +1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    IMHO: in two days all the ships will leave the ports, the troops and equipment will leave-meaning in Poseidon?

    the question is more likely in coastal cities, you cannot evacuate them in 2 days
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 26 January 2021 13: 32
    -1
    For some reason, everyone considers Poseidon as a nuclear torpedo, but not as a weapon carrier. A sort of small submarine with improved characteristics, due to the lack of a crew, and the ability to attack targets with torpedoes and missiles.
    1. agond
      agond 26 January 2021 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
      A sort of small submarine with improved characteristics

      This requires two things,
      1 very high degree of reliability
      2 artificial intelligence
      1. Sergey Kulikov_3
        Sergey Kulikov_3 26 January 2021 14: 07
        -1
        This is also needed in the version of the torpedo with nuclear warheads.
        1. ironic
          ironic 26 January 2021 21: 08
          0
          And without the nuclear warhead, what would such a torpedo do?
  • DOC
    DOC 26 January 2021 14: 26
    0
    Poseidon is aimed at destroying the naval base and infrastructure in the coastal zone of the continent with the help of a radioactive tsunami (R-tsunami) so that the fleet is cut off from the state's economy. Thus, the Navy's exit to the sea and their dominance in the oceans are blocked. The US vulnerability lies in the fact that the economically developed part of the country is concentrated on the east coast and separated from the ocean by a shelf strip. Since a tsunami is a long wave, it has a small height above the depths of the ocean - up to half a meter and is not detected by navigators. On the shelf, the depth is tens of meters, the tsunami speed decreases, but the height increases to 100 meters or more, which is facilitated by the slope towards the underwater canyon. The ships of the US Navy will not have time to leave the base and go to the open sea, that is, overcome the critical distance from the water's edge to the shelf edge. The striking factor of an underwater nuclear explosion is a basic wave created, for example, by detonating a charge in a cobalt shell. It contains a vapor-air mixture (PVA), which is carried out by a shock wave from under the water in the form of a sultan saturated with the radioisotope Co-60, carried by the base wave. The presence of such a charge indicates that the complex is intended to destroy the enemy's infrastructure, aircraft carriers and ships stationed in the roadstead or plying over the continental shelf. The sultan of water that forms the base wave is directed vertically, so most of the energy is spent on overcoming gravity. The achievements of Russian scientists in geoengineering have made it possible to concentrate the shock wave in the horizontal direction. In this case, it penetrates the entire thickness of the ocean to the bottom, and therefore an artificial tsunami falls under the definition of a natural tsunami formed during earthquakes. The shock wave of the explosion propagates radially in space. When the earth's crust shifts, it is turned horizontally to the side, depending on the impact of plates against one another. Therefore, the energy of the explosion actually doubles and acquires a directional character. BA acquired the ability to concentrate energy from the epicenter of the explosion in a given direction. The endpoint is a target in the coastal zone, so the "launcher" must be at a significant distance in order to excite as much water in the ocean as possible. As a result, we get an R-tsunami, that is, a long wave that includes the base one with the PVS, and in general - the Doomsday machine. From the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay between Fishermans Island and Virginia Beach to Hamilton (Bermuda) - 1151 kilometers, and to the edge of the shelf - 127. The average depth of the ocean in this area is five kilometers, so the tsunami speed is 800 kilometers per hour, a hundred times faster than the Gulf Stream. The depth in the Norfolk underwater canyon is 1000 meters, but at the edge of the shelf, that is, to the west, it is 70 meters and drops to 10 at the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay. The underwater canyons are located north of the Yom Kippur Line, which runs from Hamilton to the Chesapeake Bay. From Hamilton, the tsunami will imperceptibly "sneak up" to the edge of the shelf in 77 minutes. The US Geological Survey will certainly register a seismic event in the Bermuda region, but it is impossible to detect a tsunami in the vast ocean and associate it with a seismic event. After reaching the shelf, the tsunami speed will decrease, but the wave height will increase as the depth falls. No ship can get out into the open sea in 76 minutes. The distance to the shelf edge of 415 kilometers leaves no chance for submarines. Fairways and underwater tunnels of a secret passage into the ocean will be stuffed with radioactive silt.
    1. ironic
      ironic 26 January 2021 21: 02
      +1
      One small detail - 2Mt is extremely small for such.

      If the United States intends to start a war first, its navy and air force will be at sea and in the air much earlier than the corresponding torpedoes arrive at the intended places of accumulation of deployment. And in addition, both the carriers and the torpedoes themselves will be attacked as soon as such a carrier is launched, if there is no warning about the fact of a training launch, as in ICBM launches. And worst of all, other countries can start producing cobalt charges, but for missile warheads, and 83% of the population of the Russian Federation is located in a relatively small and vulnerable area of ​​the European part, and even limited, like a truncated pyramid, by mountain systems. And even worse is the accident of such a weapon in non-war times. In total, this is someone's serious political and tactical miscalculation, quite possibly malicious in favor of corruption pressure.
  • ironic
    ironic 26 January 2021 15: 16
    -1
    Some sort of Poseidonoid worship. One thing is to slowly drag to the US coast. This despite the fact that everyone knows about the prohibition of the bottom placement of nuclear weapons by the treaty. Ideas in style with Poplar.
    1. frog
      frog 29 January 2021 10: 11
      -1
      Some kind of Poseidonoid worship.

      So, since everyone has been immobilized, should we break their foreheads into something? What is not a reason? Skrepny and "usikhmaguchy" .... They quite inspire the audience, which does not want / cannot work, but can ..... "Kaaak give !!" Usually, they used to be called gopniks repeat
      1. ironic
        ironic 29 January 2021 13: 36
        -1
        So this is not how to give. In order to give the Russian Federation there are quite productive and long-standing projects. Which, among other things, are adequately perceived outside the Russian Federation. And this is exactly like the pushing of their policies, both inside and outside, by a certain clan of lamperalism (you cannot call it any other), which absolutely does not allow mental abilities to understand how such projects can end. Loot wins evil.
        1. frog
          frog 29 January 2021 14: 46
          0
          Thank you, colleague !!! But, like bum, this is obvious, tightly and traditionally. It's just that there is a lot of foam around this ..... "scrapie". In the Union, these ... ideas were put on the shelf, due to their ....... ambiguity)) In addition, there was already something to nag on ... Well, now ... Quite a jigsaw for the right guys .... Again, cartoons and the inspiration of the masses .... Plus, a great reason to get inspired by the right guys from the other side and also nag))
          1. ironic
            ironic 29 January 2021 15: 11
            -2
            Naturally, on the second side, they clapped their hands only in certain circles with an exclamation - you have to substitute yourself like that! But let's proceed from the fact that this is not a cartoon, but there are sufficient forces who want to get everything they owe from this project. This will not lead to anything good. Moreover, the defense capability of the Russian Federation will not fundamentally benefit from this, but there will be a reaction and all possible variants of such a reaction look something like this - bad for everyone.
            1. frog
              frog 29 January 2021 16: 33
              0
              Mmm ...... This is the ability of the Russian Federation, and so ..... In connection with the mentioned topic - a lot of money is thrown into nowhere. Anyway, such sums of money are spent on more than strange things, and this is one of them. With more than strange efficiency (at least de jure) On the other hand, if the main goal of the right guys is to cut down money - what, by and large, does it matter on what topic to do it? At least on hyperloop .....
              1. ironic
                ironic 29 January 2021 17: 10
                -1
                Well, in general, yes, although I would say not only de jure, but de facto. Actually, you can read about this here on MO. But again, you know, again the loot won the victory over evil.
                1. frog
                  frog 29 January 2021 17: 34
                  -1
                  again the loot defeated evil.

                  And where was it wrong? I'm talking about places where there is no competition, if sho wink
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 29 January 2021 18: 20
                    0
                    Well, actually everything is so.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 January 2021 16: 27
    +3
    Quote: nsm1
    After all, as usual, it is possible, as usual, to use the VLF on the floating antenna on the boat.

    From a depth of 1 km?
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 26 January 2021 16: 45
    +1
    GDP has already answered them:
    - Why do we need a world without Russia ?!
    And no one answered, only kept silent.
    Everyone and everything became clear without words.
    1. agond
      agond 26 January 2021 20: 15
      0
      Quote: DOC
      Poseidon is focused on the destruction of the naval base

      To do this, he must be on the shelf opposite the naval base, because an artificial tsunami will always be weaker than a tsunami from an earthquake, the question of how Poseidon will get to the shelf, there are three options
      1 it was thrown from the submarine, it sank to the bottom to a depth of 1000m and is waiting for the command to approach closer to the naval base on its own, that is, it is already on the shelf at a distance of 200-300 km from the coast of the United States, outside the shelf immediately the depth is 4-5 km
      2 it was launched from a submarine at a distance of 1 km from the coast and it reaches the naval base on its own.
      3 it was launched from a submarine from the middle of the ocean or even farther, and under its own power it gets to the shelf, falls to the bottom, stops the reactor and waits for the command. start it up again to get closer to the naval base on its own
      The options to immediately approach the base, to lie down at the entrance to the harbor and wait, or to lie outside the shelf are not considered as not possible. the mechanism of command transmission to the apparatus lying on the bottom is also not considered.
      Of the listed options, the latter would be the most preferable.
      1. ironic
        ironic 26 January 2021 21: 05
        +1
        Poseidon cannot be put anywhere in advance, it is contrary to the agreement and the very fact of such an attempt can lead to war.
        1. Split
          Split 2 February 2021 20: 56
          0
          The number of the contract in the studio, this is not so as not to find fault, but to bind the memory, how many .. years are not secret (Sedna 40). To hit something on the coast, except for our couple of bases - the Americans did not even set a goal, it is much more profitable to cut 35 (and if there is at least 60% on duty, then there is no point, everyone will have time to release gifts, well, except that at first there will be a preventive blow to their bases, and only then mine - pl with a strategic one-time, if I have not forgotten). It is beneficial for us to demolish the Atlantic coast, but there is a lot of things and a couple of dozen Poseidons are enough for that, but they’re no use at all, America is an island, compared to Eurasia
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      2. Vadim Ananyin
        Vadim Ananyin 26 January 2021 22: 47
        0
        I agree, option 3. Control programs (algorithm) can be different.
        We cannot know or find out all the ideas, but even if there are options, this will not please the likely partner in the future.
        1. Split
          Split 2 February 2021 20: 59
          0
          It makes no sense for them to use similar weapons, especially if we revive bzhrd, Eurasia tea is not an island and we have infrastructure in the depths of the country
      3. DOC
        DOC 27 January 2021 08: 59
        0
        To transmit short commands to submarines, they use extremely low frequencies, of the order of 100 Hz, and the corresponding bandwidth, which is still narrower. The station that transmits this signal is not in the water, but on land. Object "Goliath" is a radio station located in the Nizhny Novgorod region. This station uses anomalies in the earth's crust, which are used as waveguides for the VLF range, which is why it is located in the indicated place (this anomaly goes out). The signal can be transmitted anywhere in the ocean. At this frequency, you can transmit a short code, which activates the "Poseidon" which will lie at a depth in anticipation of the command.
        1. frog
          frog 29 January 2021 10: 15
          -2
          And how many faults are there in the poor Nizhny Novgorod province? What allows you to communicate through the faults with, sorry, "any point of the ocean"?
          This is not to mention the fact that we took this Goliath away from the Bosch after 1945 as a trophy. They also rattled along the faults? USE on the march and triumphs wink
    2. ironic
      ironic 26 January 2021 21: 08
      0
      What did you need to answer? He is a far from stupid person, but this time either he made a mistake, or he needed to make a mistake to please those who were thirsty for this mistake.
  • kig
    kig 27 January 2021 02: 03
    +1
    Before a new weapon is deployed anywhere, it must be "adopted". This involves preliminary tests that will confirm performance characteristics, that, reliability, maintainability and much more. Was there something that could be considered a test of Poseidon?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 27 January 2021 12: 56
    -2
    Well I do not know. Knowing the location of the base and ensuring the watch at the base on CD, there is no problem to find two fools and sit on the tail. Next, we fix all the deceleration stops and look at the bottom with drones. So in peacetime, the place of the bookmarks at a time to calculate. And in the military will sink only to start going out. The question is, what for is the carrier if the birds are already autonomous. They do not want to violate the agreement, well, they would not have shone on TV by stormy people.
  • ironic
    ironic 27 January 2021 16: 49
    +1
    Interestingly, in this one topic they put more minuses to me than many hairs on govlov. And for what, and the tenth part will not explain, it is easier to press the button. We are fighting for ratings. There are also chase lovers. And it would be fine if the epaulettes were real, otherwise the forum.
    1. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 1 February 2021 09: 31
      0
      It's simple, because even without a Russian keyboard with persistence and perseverance worthy of a better use, you climb on a Russian site to talk about "skreps", "sawing", unethical and illegal use of "dirty" weapons against fair-faced elves and other things of a cosmic scale ...
      In my humble opinion, you (well, judging by the lack of a Russian keyboard) should be closer to talking about "cuts" in the Pentagon.
      Well, for spelling, syntax and stylistic errors. Your mom is right about that.
      1. ironic
        ironic 1 February 2021 15: 10
        0
        Got it, i.e. never. It turns out cons for the keyboard and spelling errors. Ktob doubted that this was a worthy reason when discussing VO topics.
        I never talked about the "clamps" at all, because I don't even have such familiar terminology in my language.
        I talked about the Pentagon cuts exactly as much as I talked about cuts in the RF Ministry of Defense. Those. again for nothing. But the knowledge that the Pentagon is closer to me is certain, although in theory it was wiser to assume that the so-called. Israeli "Kirya". I have already managed to explain to my mother why this is on the tenth level in importance, if it is not a dictation and not an ISO 900X document, but unlike her, it does not seem to depend on logic in VO, faith is always above knowledge.
  • Skif
    Skif 27 January 2021 20: 37
    -1
    How, how! There were already some "optimists" claiming that the Crimean bridge is a cartoon and a myth. Blessed is the believer.
    1. ironic
      ironic 1 February 2021 15: 11
      0
      It was nonsense that the bridge would be built and as it should be, it was immediately clear and even clear why it would be so no matter what, even if it was for the last money.
  • Split
    Split 2 February 2021 20: 39
    0
    The meaning of nuclear deterrence is not in the strength of the first strike, but precisely in inevitable retaliatory damage, and here Poseidon is the cherry on top - an inevitable blow will be and there is no means of resistance. No matter how you can, it’s like a game, the answer will be whatever you do.
    In general, I do not consider a nuclear war with a complete exchange likely, for states with their primitives only a preventive strike can do something and will give irreparable damage to the means of defense attaching comparable damage, in spite of the great smear of the infrastructure. And then, from above, the demolition of everything that is on the developed Atlantic coast ...
    At 50, the United States did not dare to strike, and because it greatly exaggerates thermonuclear. Now the charges are much cleaner, hundreds of times less than the KVO ... nonsense that the current stocks can destroy the entire population, etc. - nonsense. The exchange will be followed by the use of tactical in specific theaters of action, or rather Europe ... the states simply cannot do anything in Europe, we surpass it so that we can assume that they do not have it. As a result, everything will remain behind puddles and end in nothing, only the territory of Russia will also increase to Europe. Yes, heaps of Guinness record holders will appear in the number of killed per minute. But in general the meaning is not.
  • petroff
    petroff 10 February 2021 21: 39
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    Poseidon is nothing special. Sakharov still considered torpedoes with a capacity of 100 megatons after testing his thermonuclear bomb. Placing the warhead in the size of a huge torpedo. Well, the engine for the installation on fast neutrons was created relatively recently. It is quite possible to combine these two existing parts.
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 26 February 2021 12: 25
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    Forbes is actually still that little rag, if we speak seriously, then the GDP has already answered the question
    about the World without Russia, we do not need it.
    And whether they believe it or not, this is their problem, if there is, then the answer will be in any case and not bad.
    Are you planning to sit out overseas? I think they have already been told, now they are already being strained by Caliber and Eskander. And here is such a thing that you don't know when and where it will explode, and how many of them are there in fact! Let them guess, here's a surprise waking up later!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 5 2021 09: 48
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    I will suggest option number 4 ....., taking into account the minimization of nuclear warheads, the drone can place smaller nuclear warheads in several places ...... And we need to consider the effectiveness of underwater explosions. Ships are quite resistant to such influences, a tsunami is not a fact that will happen, and radiation will dilute the ocean.