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Ukraine is looking for an investor for the Mriya-2 aircraft project

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The state concern "Ukroboronprom" is concerned about the problems of the development of the Ukrainian aircraft industry. In particular, Ukraine is now looking for an investor for the Mriya-2 aircraft project.


The general director of the concern, Yuri Gusev, spoke about this.

He stated that the success of the project primarily depends on foreign customers who are ready to join in its joint implementation. Gusev pins great hopes on Ukraine's participation in a major international exhibition to be held in the Indian city of Bangalore.

Sergei Bychkov, the acting general director of Antonov State Enterprise, has no doubts that Mriya-2 will be able to revive. He is full of optimism, because there is almost everything you need to implement the project.

The plane is there, but there are no engines and avionics.

- noted Bychkov.

Former head of the State Space Agency of Ukraine Vladimir Usov previously reminded that the second An-225 Mriya plane has been waiting in the wings for 35 years. Its completion will require approximately one billion dollars. The new variant, named "Mriya-2", should receive updated avionics and aircraft engines. What - the creators of this winged giant themselves do not know.

The first aircraft An-225 "Mriya" was created by the Soviet aircraft builders of the Antonov Design Bureau in 1988 and was originally intended for the air launch system of spacecraft. It is considered the largest and most powerful transport aircraft on the planet. In the spring of last year, he carried out the tasks of delivering humanitarian supplies to different countries of the world as part of the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.

And the second plane of this project has not yet been completed. Now they announced the modernization and completion of the project, but made it clear that there was no money for it
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  1. hydroy
    hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 13
    -75%
    Some ugly plane (
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 24 January 2021 13: 16
      +51
      An-225 is a unique aircraft, designed and built in the USSR. Since it is now Ukrainian, there is no need to try to belittle it.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 30
        -36%
        In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 24 January 2021 13: 50
          +23
          Quote: hydroy
          In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)

          So Ukraine does not produce and will not produce! These attempts are just already familiar - "Give me money!" yes
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 24 January 2021 14: 14
            +12
            Quote: LIONnvrsk
            Quote: hydroy
            In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)

            So Ukraine does not produce and will not produce! These attempts are just already familiar - "Give me money!" yes

            I will please hydroy - Russia does not procure dried shark fins, nor does it export mangoes, and we do not have lions. I hope that happy Ukraine has it all. Even Mriya. Two. laughing
            1. alexniko77
              alexniko77 26 January 2021 14: 18
              +1
              "The plane is there, but there are no engines and avionics."
              Not two, not one and a half ...
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 24 January 2021 14: 26
            +11
            Quote: LIONnvrsk

            So Ukraine does not produce and will not produce! These attempts are just already familiar - "Give me money!"
            An-225 "Mriya" has been waiting in the wings for 35 years. Its completion will require approximately one billion dollars.
            But are there really crazy people to give such money into the hands of thieving Ukrainians.
            1. Omskgasmyas
              Omskgasmyas 25 January 2021 09: 42
              +2
              So far we have found only in Peru on the An-174. Now they bite their elbows.
              On Mriya-2, the request is more serious. And the amount is solid, beautiful.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 25 January 2021 10: 42
                +1
                Quote: Omskgazmyas
                On Mriya-2, the request is more serious. And the amount is solid, beautiful.

                Yes, the non-brothers unrolled their lips for serious.
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 24 January 2021 14: 03
          +16
          Quote: hydroy
          In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it

          I’ll tell you one sly one, just don’t worry: no one is producing it at all now and most likely will not be. Throwing a lard of money under dubious claims of wet dreams ... who will go for it? Nobody.
          Nobody will allow 404 country to return to the aircraft builders club - nobody is interested. If anyone fits into this project, the 404s can forget about this plane, they will be taken away
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 January 2021 14: 29
            +6
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            No one will allow 404 country to return to the aircraft builders club
            Yes, they do not have to "not allow" it, they themselves cope with a bang!
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 24 January 2021 14: 58
              +6
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              it is not necessary for them to "not allow", they themselves cope with a bang!

              They proved this for sure, the main thing is not to interfere ... you don't need a knife for a fool, you sing along a little with him and do with him ...
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 24 January 2021 14: 42
            0
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Nobody will allow 404 country to return to the aircraft builders club - nobody is interested.

            This is the past day, which faded into oblivion 30 years ago. Now even in the museum there is no memory left for posterity.
        3. 1976AG
          1976AG 24 January 2021 14: 05
          +15
          Quote: hydroy
          In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)

          Here the question is more about the need to produce it. Organizing production only for prestige is an impermissible luxury. But if we understand that we need, for example, the Tu-160, then we were able to restore its production. Although many doubted that we could do it.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 24 January 2021 14: 10
            -1
            There is a need for heavy transport workers, there is a Yermak project based on the Il-106 to replace the An-124, which still have a resource, but time is advancing, and Ukraine is also pressing with its license. MRIYA is an interesting project and he will always have a workload. But this is a very expensive thing.)
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 24 January 2021 14: 17
              +7
              Well, I almost meant the same thing. Replacing the An-124 is still not a replacement for the Mriya, but we do not need the Mriya so much to spend so much on it. When creating the Energia-Buran complex, the USSR had a desperate situation, without an aircraft of this class we would not have done anything. Now there is no urgent need for it.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 24 January 2021 15: 11
              +9
              Quote: hydroy
              MRIYA is an interesting project and he will always have a workload.

              It is not very loaded in one copy.
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              2. Sahalinets
                Sahalinets 24 January 2021 15: 36
                +10
                Yes, this is nonsense, which is not even worth commenting on. Even the only Mriya is practically not used, it flies a couple of times a month maximum. No orders. Why do you need a second one?
                Ukrainians just stupidly want to dissolve someone for money.
              3. Maks winter
                Maks winter 26 January 2021 14: 04
                0
                not every airfield will be able to accept it, and around the world, I think there are not so many of them ...
        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 24 January 2021 14: 57
          +4
          Quote: hydroy
          In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)

          Only Ukraine can do it. laughing We didn’t want to tinker with some An-178, but rather to “Mriya” in order to download more dough from investors.
        5. Fitter65
          Fitter65 24 January 2021 15: 04
          +3
          Quote: hydroy
          In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)

          What for? There is Mriya # 1 for a one-time transportation, building a fleet of expensive aircraft that will fly from time to time is more expensive. For An-124 there is not always a decent cargo. The USSR at one time produced the An-225, though for other purposes
          The reason for the construction of the An-225 was the need to create an air transport system for the Buran reusable spacecraft project. The main purpose of the heavy transport aircraft in this project was to transport various components of the launch vehicle and spacecraft from the production and assembly site to the launch site. There was also an important task of delivering the space shuttle to the cosmodrome in case of landing at alternate airfields.
          While Russia does not need such an aircraft, but who knows ...
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 24 January 2021 15: 08
            -6
            Quote: Fitter65
            While Russia does not need such an aircraft, but who knows ...

            From what ? With its help, you can bring a large batch of "Poseidons" closer to the American continent and release there like a flock of piranhas.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 24 January 2021 15: 11
              +1
              Quote: Starover_Z
              From what ? With its help, you can bring a large batch of "Poseidons" closer to the American continent and release there like a flock of piranhas.

              Are you serious? belay I wonder where you can get this large batch of Poseidons? And the most interesting is how to release them?
              1. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 24 January 2021 15: 13
                -1
                Quote: Fitter65
                Are you serious? I wonder where you can get this large batch of Poseidons? And the most interesting is how to release them?

                Venezuela, Cuba ....
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 24 January 2021 15: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Starover_Z
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  Are you serious? I wonder where you can get this large batch of Poseidons? And the most interesting is how to release them?

                  Venezuela, Cuba ....

                  Yes, the level of your intelligence is striking in its depth! You when such a crap actually to think that you were trying to write, or immediately -Forward to rusty mines! fool
        6. Piramidon
          Piramidon 24 January 2021 16: 58
          +1
          Quote: hydroy
          In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)

          Why is it needed? Just Schaub Bulo?
      2. Koval Sergey
        Koval Sergey 24 January 2021 13: 33
        +6
        Quote: Pechkin
        An-225 is a unique aircraft, designed and built in the USSR

        I agree, the plane is unique. But it was originally intended for an air launch, and to use it now as a transport aircraft is simply to use, so that it would not be idle. Potential investors need to carefully consider all the costs and risks - is it worth reviving this project. After all, the same USA, despite the political support of the current leadership of Ukraine, is not at all interested in the revival of aviation construction there. And there are other competitors.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 24 January 2021 13: 55
          +9
          Quote: Koval Sergey
          Quote: Pechkin
          An-225 is a unique aircraft, designed and built in the USSR

          I agree, the plane is unique. But it was originally intended for an air launch, and to use it now as a transport aircraft is simply to use, so that it would not be idle. Potential investors need to carefully consider all the costs and risks - is it worth reviving this project. After all, the same USA, despite the political support of the current leadership of Ukraine, is not at all interested in the revival of aviation construction there. And there are other competitors.

          It was intended not for an air launch, but for the transportation of individual systems of the Energia-Buran complex, in particular, for the transportation of the Energia LV units and the delivery of Buran itself from the place of manufacture to the place of docking and launch.
          1. Koval Sergey
            Koval Sergey 24 January 2021 13: 59
            +5
            Quote: 1976AG
            It was intended not for an air launch, but for the transportation of individual systems of the Energia-Buran complex

            Yes, I meant - for the space program. About "air start" - this is from the article.
          2. slipped
            slipped 24 January 2021 23: 03
            +1
            Quote: 1976AG
            It was not meant for an air launch,


            And for an air launch too.

      3. venik
        venik 24 January 2021 13: 50
        0
        Quote: Pechkin
        An-225 is a unique aircraft, designed and built in the USSR.

        =======
        Indeed - UNIQUE !!!
        By the way, this is a modification of the famous An-124 Ruslan (the last brainchild Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov, although officially "other people were named as chief designers) ...
        But this car had such a colossal "backlog" that by slightly lengthening the fuselage and inserting it into the center section with additional 2 engines - it was possible to get a car with absolutely incredible characteristics!
        By the way, as far as I know (this is not a fact) - "Mriy" was built 2 pieces, but one crashed during tests and was dismantled for metal ... But these are just rumors ...
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 24 January 2021 18: 36
          +3
          Quote: venik

          By the way, this is a modification of the famous An-124

          ... and homo sapiens sapiens is a modification of homo erectus.
          by slightly lengthening the fuselage and inserting into the center section with additional 2 engines

          There, part of the fuselage and OCHK remained from the An-124. HCF, CPL, plumage - everything else.
          By the way, as far as I know (this is not a fact) - "Mriy" was built 2 pieces, but one crashed during tests and was dismantled for metal ... But these are just rumors ...

          This is just nonsense. There were two An-70. One crashed into the trash. Another was in an accident, but was restored, and is still flying. And the second "Mriya" exists only in the form of three quarters of the fuselage.
      4. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 24 January 2021 19: 35
        0
        Quote: Pechkin
        An-225 is a unique aircraft, designed and built in the USSR. Since it is now Ukrainian, there is no need to try to belittle it.

        Right. But after the collapse of the Buran program, no one needs this.
        Except that trampolines are put into space.
        It's a pity, but everything has its time. hi
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 24 January 2021 13: 19
      -4
      Have you tried to look in the mirror? wink
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 20
        -46%
        Eta MRIYA - Ukrainian production
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 24 January 2021 13: 22
          +14
          With what fright? Is Buran also Ukrainian? belay
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 27
            -27%
            well, who makes it now? Russia? Belarus?
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 24 January 2021 13: 34
              +10
              Stupid question. No one can produce Mriya today. Bo the people who built it, the machine tool park and technologies have gone to the past.
              ...
              Is it possible today to repeat the ancient Roman aqueducts or build the ancient Greek pyramids? Answer: No, it is impossible. Aircraft of the USSR are of the same order as those of the pyramids.
              1. hydroy
                hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 35
                -19%
                But Ukraine has a license? Russia does not have the technology and the license for it.
                1. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 24 January 2021 13: 36
                  +8
                  It's not about papers and words. It's just chatting and looking for more loans.
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 24 January 2021 15: 05
                  +10
                  Quote: hydroy
                  But Ukraine has a license? Russia does not have the technology and the license for it.

                  But it was released not by Ukraine, as you claim, but by the USSR. So let Ukraine try to reproduce it with its licenses and technologies.
                3. Gado
                  Gado 24 January 2021 15: 16
                  +6
                  "Mriya" was done by the whole Union, stop with your Ukrainians. And therefore now it is impossible to repeat the construction - many factories where parts for the aircraft were made are no longer there. Ukraine inherited the patent and the Antonov design bureau, and only, no one in Ukraine, and even in Russia, will be able to repeat the real feat of the Soviet people, which consists in assembling the "Mriya". And they will not be able to for another 10 years at least. My personal opinion.
              2. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 24 January 2021 13: 43
                +6
                Quote: Svetlana
                Stupid question
                Is it possible today to repeat the ancient Roman aqueducts or build the ancient Greek pyramids? ...
                Ancient Greek pyramids - build impossible yes - THERE WERE NO "Ancient Greek pyramids".
                Ancient egyptian - theoretically possible.
                1. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 24 January 2021 13: 56
                  +1
                  Yes .. Egyptian of course drinks
                  Aircraft of the USSR, theoretically you can build too. But only in theory.
                  1. Sahalinets
                    Sahalinets 24 January 2021 15: 44
                    +3
                    Yes, the States will not be able to build Saturn rockets now. The technology is simply lost.
                2. Reviews
                  Reviews 24 January 2021 19: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: cat Rusich
                  Quote: Svetlana
                  Stupid question
                  Is it possible today to repeat the ancient Roman aqueducts or build the ancient Greek pyramids? ...
                  Ancient Greek pyramids - build impossible yes - THERE WERE NO "Ancient Greek pyramids".
                  Ancient egyptian - theoretically possible.

                  http://mir-grekov.ru/travel/place-11195/drevnegrecheskaya-piramida-elliniko-piramidy-argolidy.htm
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 24 January 2021 19: 46
                    0
                    Thank you for the lesson in ancient Greek (or even older than Hellas itself) history. hi
              3. Piramidon
                Piramidon 24 January 2021 16: 12
                0
                Quote: Svetlana
                Is it possible today to repeat the ancient Roman aqueducts or build the ancient Greek pyramids? Answer: No, it is impossible

                If desired, it is even possible, only now they, like "Mriya", are not needed by anyone in order to invest huge funds in them.
                (You probably still meant the Egyptian pyramids) hi
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 24 January 2021 13: 48
            +3
            Is Buran also Ukrainian? belay
            - uhry dug the Black Sea and almost do not own it now .. but the process of revival of the great Ukhriya has already begun - and the sea will all be theirs - in tch and Sinop ... and Varna ... and ..? I am silent about the straits
        2. figwam
          figwam 24 January 2021 13: 34
          +14
          Quote: hydroy
          Eta MRIYA - Ukrainian production

          No Ukraine will ever make such an aircraft, the design engineers of the entire USSR did it in the late 80s for the transportation of the Buran, and Moscow gave money for development, but Yeltsin left the An-225, like the Crimea, in the outskirts.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 50
            -1
            Nothing, "Ermak" is being created for specific tasks, I hope it will work out! And there will be a replacement for "Ruslans" whose resource is limited, but there is no production .. and Ukraine is putting pressure on Ruslans !!!!
            1. figwam
              figwam 24 January 2021 13: 53
              +6
              Quote: hydroy
              Nothing, "Ermak" is being created for specific tasks, I hope it will work out!

              Let's hope.
              And the second fuselage of "Mriya" has remained unchanged for the fourth decade.
              1. Victor Tsenin
                Victor Tsenin 24 January 2021 14: 13
                +1
                There should already be irreversible fatigue changes at that age.
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 24 January 2021 18: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Victor Tsenin
                  There should already be irreversible fatigue changes at that age.

                  Where does fatigue come from? You would at least look into the dictionary ...
                  1. Victor Tsenin
                    Victor Tsenin 25 January 2021 08: 15
                    0
                    There is no need to look anywhere, in this case we have the influence of its own large mass of the airframe structure. Mriya gets around this reality, you mean?
                    1. Reviews
                      Reviews 25 January 2021 08: 37
                      -2
                      Quote: Victor Tsenin
                      No need to look anywhere

                      "Why should I read books, mister colonel ?!"
                      "And it's true, you probably don't need it ...". © "Say a word about the poor hussar."
                      we have the influence of our own large mass of the airframe structure




                      The glider, by the way, is not in the picture. Well, this is already quite difficult for some ...
                      1. Victor Tsenin
                        Victor Tsenin 25 January 2021 08: 40
                        0
                        An aircraft glider is a structural part of an aircraft or helicopter without a power plant and equipment.
                        You do not see the An-225 glider in the picture or you do not see any glider, I am interested to make sure.
                      2. Reviews
                        Reviews 25 January 2021 08: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Victor Tsenin
                        An aircraft glider is a structural part of an aircraft or helicopter without a power plant and equipment.

                        ... now re-read it again. And more, and more. Until complete enlightenment. Good luck. You will need it. :)
                        There is no glider in the picture.
        3. Shkworen
          Shkworen 24 January 2021 14: 11
          +4
          and as a child I saw a plane flying with a blizzard, oh, and it was a whopper :)
        4. slipped
          slipped 24 January 2021 23: 08
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          but Yeltsin left the An-225, like the Crimea, on the outskirts.


          And "Buran" to Kazakhstan.
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 24 January 2021 14: 03
        +6
        Just like the 1st and 2nd Ukrainian fronts during the Second World War.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 24 January 2021 16: 26
          +6
          Quote: gurzuf
          Just like the 1st and 2nd Ukrainian fronts during the Second World War.

          If you follow his logic, then KamAZ trucks are not Russian at all, but Tatar ones. laughing
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            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 25 January 2021 13: 48
              0
              Quote: Avis
              There were also such "speakers". :) Although, "foreign countries" can argue with them: :)

              All this "abroad" can only set one people of Russia against another, presenting Russia to the so-called. "world community" in the form of separate "principalities" that need to be divided and subordinated.
              Py.Sy. It is regrettable to say this, but they did it with the USSR.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 25 January 2021 13: 59
                0
                Quote: Piramidon

                All this "abroad" can only set one people of Russia against another, presenting Russia to the so-called. "world community" in the form of separate "principalities"

                No, I heard it from "ours". One from N. Novgorod, the other from Bugulma.
          2. Victor Tsenin
            Victor Tsenin 28 January 2021 21: 27
            0
            Khansky, what a trifle.
      3. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 24 January 2021 14: 11
        +3
        In Ukraine, what production is more or less worthy of respect? All docks that deserve attention are squandered in all directions, Mriya will remain so for long-suffering Ukraine.
      4. Vlad is short
        Vlad is short 25 January 2021 19: 51
        +1
        Collected in Ukraine in parts from all over the USSR at a production facility that has died by this time
    3. hydroy
      hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 24
      -16%
      IL-76 is better than MRII, and AN-124 is generally beautiful)
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 24 January 2021 14: 00
        +9
        IL-76 is better than MRII, and AN-124 is generally beautiful)
        Mriya AN-225 is a modification of the AN-124. IL-76 is better than Mriya, you understand that write something like Kamaz is better than Belaz. These are different cars.
  2. Finches
    Finches 24 January 2021 13: 23
    +5
    Boltology from the category of absurdity - when a beggar sits on the porch with an outstretched hand and reasoning with an intelligent look, how he will buy a yacht from Abramovich tomorrow or the day after, and Chelsea will buy it for change! laughing
  3. Avior
    Avior 24 January 2021 13: 25
    +9
    On takeoffs and landings of Mriya in different countries are going, like on a show. A mesmerizing sight
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 24 January 2021 13: 41
      +11
      In 2010, he transported the largest single cargo weighing 190 tons from the German Hans: the Germans had correctly placed the parking lot and sold tickets.
      I saw An-124 and 225 next to me: Ruslan looked like an orphan. Strong Soviet aircraft school
      1. slipped
        slipped 24 January 2021 23: 14
        +2
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        I saw An-124 and 225 next to each other: Ruslan looked just like an orphan.


        They do not differ much in size.

        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 24 January 2021 23: 33
          +2
          Quote: slipped
          They do not differ much in size.

          And the small one looks impressive, but the large one looks like a rock, especially when it blocks off some medium-sized airport.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 24 January 2021 13: 50
      -8
      there are a lot of spectators in the circle - the great Nikulin and Popov caught a bunny with a hat ..................................... ..............
      1. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 24 January 2021 20: 07
        0
        What is it for? What does the tsyrk have to do with it? Write correctly.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 24 January 2021 21: 38
          0
          I am writing for the smart - there is a take-off show, but why is it flying and where? To catch sun bunnies? where are the unique orders? write an answer
    3. common man
      common man 24 January 2021 14: 05
      +2
      The Buran's attachment points on Mriya remained.
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 24 January 2021 13: 27
    -4
    Do you think that a plane lifting 250 tons should be thin and graceful like a dragonfly? belay
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 29
      -6
      To lift these 250 tons and then deliver it will be problematic in terms of fuel consumption and maintenance of the aircraft itself ...
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 24 January 2021 13: 45
        +7
        Those who need to transport such a cargo are well aware of the difficulties. The largest one load, one piece, was 190 tons, the generator was transported in the assembly. And yes, they sometimes cheat: take off with an incomplete refueling, fly over to a less critical strip where they refuel and forward ..., the guys are spinning, the plane is exceptional
  5. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 24 January 2021 20: 02
    0
    Yes, boy, you still have that taste: I looked at the bearded cum and I don't like the plane! Have you seen a humpbacked Boeing? Something with an oreantation you have ...
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 24 January 2021 20: 29
      -2
      Narrow eyes, protruding belly, oh well) not very beautiful, but grandiose, yes)
      1. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 24 January 2021 20: 43
        0
        THIS IS A TRUCK! Not a pleasure yacht! And even 225 tons. The President won't be lucky there.
  6. Russobel
    Russobel 25 January 2021 20: 17
    0
    Quote: hydroy
    Some ugly plane (

    Any plane that can take to the sky, handsome!
  • prior
    prior 24 January 2021 13: 20
    0
    The plane An-225 "Mriya-2" has no chance, but if the An-225 "Bychok" or "Bychkov" ...... laughing then of course.
  • bar
    bar 24 January 2021 13: 22
    +1
    Ukraine is looking for an investor for the Mriya-2 aircraft project.

    You have to look for a long time.
    1. figwam
      figwam 24 January 2021 13: 36
      +6
      Quote: bar
      You have to look for a long time.

      In their fairy tales, first China invested, then Turkey, but to this day at a broken trough, free money from Moscow no longer comes, that's all the independence or zrada.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 24 January 2021 13: 26
    +5
    Not an investor, but a sucker. We must call a spade a spade. For anyone who agreed to deal with Tsegabonia is a goof. And golimy ..
  • lucul
    lucul 24 January 2021 13: 26
    +1
    Ukraine is looking for an investor for the Mriya-2 aircraft project

    Investors are everywhere. Soon it won't be possible to go to the toilet without an investor)))
  • Cron
    Cron 24 January 2021 13: 27
    +3
    the second plane An-225 "Mriya" has been waiting in the wings for 35 years and is looking for an investor.

    Stop feeding Russia, they said.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 24 January 2021 13: 28
    +4
    Planes and Ukraine, these are the words of antagonists. Only very brave people will be able to fly on a plane produced in Ukraine, and there are very few of them in the world.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 24 January 2021 13: 30
    0
    Nobody will invest in a six-engine apparatus today.
    1. PN
      PN 24 January 2021 13: 38
      +8
      As in the serial - no. And as sharpened for specific and specific tasks - quite.
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 24 January 2021 17: 21
        0
        Well then, we are waiting for investors.
    2. nsm1
      nsm1 24 January 2021 13: 53
      0
      This is a project, not a copy ...
      Deliver two GE9X, it produces 62 tons at the stand.
    3. Reviews
      Reviews 24 January 2021 18: 41
      0
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Nobody will invest in a six-engine apparatus today.

      1. Quadro
        Quadro 24 January 2021 23: 57
        +1
        Quote: Avis
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        Nobody will invest in a six-engine apparatus today.


        And how old is this monster? They've been trying to talk about him for a long time, but things are still there. In addition, he has more problems than f35 (exaggerating)
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 25 January 2021 06: 58
          0
          Quote: Quadro

          And how old is this monster?

          It doesn't matter. The man stated that ...
          Nobody will invest in a six-engine apparatus today.

          ... and I showed you a 6-engine plane that took off less than two years ago. The fuselage of the second "Mriya" has been motionless for> 20 years. In general, they are now investing in 6-motors.
          he has more problems than f35

          The F-35 has technical problems, while the Stratauncher has conceptual problems. Technically, it is a very practical aircraft. But the idea of ​​a horizontal launch of the launch vehicle has not yet gone into mass operation. So far, only Pegasus has flown. Well, "Virgin" also launched something there recently. What will happen to all of them further is not yet clear.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 24 January 2021 13: 35
    +5
    Svidomo, as usual, has turned into a rage))
  • ccsr
    ccsr 24 January 2021 13: 36
    +1
    Its completion will require approximately one billion dollars.

    Well, what's the matter - let Gazprom issue its government bonds, place them on the stock exchange in London, and the money will flow like a stream into the piggy bank for Mriya. And then it began again "we are not local people, give Christ for the sake of a gold piece" ...
  • exo
    exo 24 January 2021 13: 38
    +2
    Now, due to the coronavirus, the air cargo market has grown sharply. But, hardly anyone will invest that kind of money in the completion of a single aircraft, including its certification. Finding avionics and engines for him in the West is not a problem. Same CF6-80 can fit in.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 January 2021 13: 50
      +2
      It can also fly on d18t engines
      For a unique aircraft, this is not as critical as for a production aircraft.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 52
        0
        Nobody will launch it into series!
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 January 2021 13: 55
          +1
          Whom"? The engine is produced as a serial one, it was also used on Ruslan, if we are talking about Mriya, so the question is about the completion of one specific aircraft
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 58
            0
            but in mass production, Ukraine simply does not have resources, MRIYA was the first to be assembled throughout the USSR ...
      2. hydroy
        hydroy 24 January 2021 13: 54
        +3
        Ruslanov has also not been in the series since 2004, and for MRII, continuing to remain in the warehouse is the end, Ukraine alone will not be able to handle new projects! "Ermak" is going to replace the An-124, and then, even with saliva, you will have Ermak with a Russian license, not a Ukrainian one!
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 January 2021 13: 42
    +5
    Ukraine is looking for an investor for the Mriya-2 aircraft project


    Mriya (a dream in Ukrainian) will remain a dream, because the Sumerians have lost all polymers, including An.

    And no one needs these rogues.
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 24 January 2021 13: 52
    +4
    He stated that the success of the project primarily depends on foreign customers who are ready to join in its joint implementation.
    Naive, why would Western companies support a competitor, develop and support them economically.
    Pure blah blah. It is not clear who this chatter is intended for, sane Ukrainians, if there are any, understand that nothing like this will happen. Clowns are in power.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 January 2021 13: 57
      +5
      In the world, except for Mriya, there is no aircraft with such technical characteristics, so there is no talk of competitors.
      1. Vadim Ananyin
        Vadim Ananyin 24 January 2021 16: 09
        +1
        No, no one argues according to the performance characteristics, but who will heap money into this project if they fight back, hell knows when? They don’t want to bother with shorter projects either in the energy sector or anywhere else. The crisis is that there is no freebie resources, any!
  • nsm1
    nsm1 24 January 2021 13: 53
    +1
    It is unclear whether they will be able to load him with work
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 January 2021 13: 56
      +8
      The only real problem is this. If there is enough work for him, there will be an investor.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 25 January 2021 10: 20
        0
        Even in the Russian Federation it is not clear whether there is work or not ... and it should be done only by doing the "junior" Ruslan. Which is highly unified. Otherwise, this is an unrealistic commercial project.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 January 2021 13: 56
    +3
    Niche apparatus. It is needed for specific purposes. Maybe China will be interested ... but you need 4x35t turbojet engine. And not everyone has them.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 24 January 2021 13: 58
    0
    This is fantastic and even unscientific. But quite in the style of ukrov-give money and then throw something.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 24 January 2021 13: 59
    +6
    Let them turn to the Chinese. It worked with Motor Sich ... Why would it be with Mriya, no? The dream, as they say, dies last ... request
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 January 2021 14: 10
    +5
    The plane is there, but there are no engines and avionics.

    Laughed to tears, even Klitschko would not have thought of this good
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 24 January 2021 14: 10
    +2
    The Chinese have already thrown on the grandmother with the purchase of Motor Sich. Who will believe them now. And before that there was no trust. And now, in general, I think it will not. After all, two similar comments at the same time ... So it's true.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 January 2021 14: 30
      -2
      They threw themselves
      Accustomed to gratefully shove, but break off came out
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 14: 18
    +1
    If we put PD-35, then the analogue of "Mriya" could fly on 4 ... (140 tons of take-off thrust against 120 -135 on 6 D-18) ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 January 2021 14: 50
      +1
      This is on older versions of D18
      The new ones have much higher traction.
      And this is an engine that has been used in production and operation.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        New ones have much higher traction

        23 tons. All the same, 4 instead of 6 is enough.
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 January 2021 16: 40
          +2
          23,5 for series 3
          Another 10 percent higher for Series 4
          A D18 version called AI-38 for the Chinese with a takeoff of up to 32 tons is under development at Progress.
          And it's not so easy to convert 6 motor to 4
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 16: 55
            0
            Quote: Avior
            A D18 version called AI-38 for the Chinese with a takeoff of up to 32 tons is under development at Progress.

            For the Chinese? Not enough for them "MotorSich"? Therefore, I do not believe in this topic. The Chinese are mercantile, but vindictive. They can remember grievances for a long time ...
            1. Avior
              Avior 24 January 2021 17: 09
              +2
              And what about Motor Sich? The Chinese have no complaints about her, they have normal relations.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 17: 31
                0
                Quote: Avior
                And what about Motor Sich? The Chinese have no complaints about her, normal relations

                And what was thrown with the shares? And a lawsuit for 3.5 lard is a normal relationship? Or did we understand something wrong?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 24 January 2021 21: 38
                  +2
                  There is no claim against Motor Sich.
                  And the plant itself has no direct relation to this history. The Chinese from Shkirizon have a conflict with the Ukrainian authorities, and Motor Sich is a private enterprise
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 21: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    There is no claim against Motor Sich

                    Clear. No lawsuit. The enterprise is fine.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 25 January 2021 10: 55
                      0
                      They threaten the lawsuit against the government, not the plant
                      But even these are only threats so far
                      The Chinese have no conflicts or misunderstandings with the plant itself
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 January 2021 14: 27
    0
    There is one money bag - China! But after the show with Motor Sich they will bypass this project.
  • garik77
    garik77 24 January 2021 14: 47
    +1
    Quote: hydroy
    In any case, Russia does not produce it and will not produce it)

    Great Ukriya will not produce anything high-tech at all. For all their industrial potential has been completely consumed in 30 years. And now they can only puff out their cheeks and try to get something from their western masters
  • HAM
    HAM 24 January 2021 14: 49
    +1
    Don't worry, there will also be "MRII" 3,4,5 ... only without quotes, just MRII ...
  • Quadro
    Quadro 24 January 2021 14: 51
    +3
    The plane is there, but there are no engines and avionics.

    That is, you do not have an airplane
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 24 January 2021 14: 52
    +2
    "Mriya" will remain mriya. As well as the cruiser "Ukraine".
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 January 2021 15: 13
    +2
    And what is the need for a Mriya-type aircraft now? Who and what will be transported on it? Ukraine definitely has nothing.

    Mriya in the USSR was created under the Buran program, and the large Il-76 and An-120 were supposed to carry everything.

    There is nothing unique in Mriya except for its size and there is no need for it now, and I don't think there will be an investor who, for some reason, will finish building one plane for 1 billion dollars.

    The aircraft industry of Ukraine is dying, the domestic market is too small, and the concern does not have enough resources to compete on the international market.

    Salvation for Antonov is cooperation with Russia, but for obvious reasons it will not exist, which means that Ukraine will not have its own planes either.
  • faiver
    faiver 24 January 2021 15: 14
    0
    Haspada, for investment you to the Chinese laughing
    may not be beaten laughing
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 24 January 2021 16: 46
      0
      They may not be beaten, but first they will demand to return the $ 3,5 billion invested by China in the Motor Sich plant, which, having received the money, Ukraine refused to transfer to China.
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 24 January 2021 15: 25
    +1
    a billion dollars is too much for one plane
  • askort154
    askort154 24 January 2021 15: 30
    +3
    And the second plane of this project has not yet been completed. Now they announced the modernization and completion of the project, but made it clear that there was no money for it

    Duma get rich and make a fool of everyone, although they themselves lie below the plinth.
    In 2015, we signed a contract with Saudi Arabia for the joint production of the An-132 (i.e., financing the aircraft for production). The project remained on paper.
    In 2016, an agreement was signed with the UAE for the supply of 12 pieces. An-178, with the subsequent delivery of up to hundreds, for a total of 4 billion rubles. dlr. The project remained on paper.
    In 2016, an agreement was signed with Azerbaijan for the supply of 10 pcs. An-178
    at the price of 25 mln USD for 1 pc. Azeibarjan made an advance payment of 1 mln. dlr.
    Ukraine changed its mind and set a price of 45 million dollars. for 1 plane. The contract has been terminated. The advance payment was not returned.
    List of aircraft manufactured by Antonov:
    up to 1991, 60 - 70 aircraft per year. After the secession of Ukraine:
    2002 - 4 pcs., 2003 - 4 pcs., 2004 - 3 pcs., 2005 - 5 pcs., 2006 - 1 pcs. 2007 - 0 pcs.
    2008 - 4 pcs., 2009 - 4 pcs., 2010 - 4 pcs. 2011 - 4 pcs. 2012 - 6 pcs.
    2013 - 3 pcs., 2014 - 2 pcs., 2015 - 2 pcs., From 2016 to 2020 - 0 pcs.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 24 January 2021 16: 42
    0
    In the world of independent aircraft manufacturers, you can count on one hand in a full cycle. Are there really to finance a competitor to himself?
  • denk20
    denk20 24 January 2021 18: 42
    0
    There is EVERYTHING you need except engines, avionics and the rest of the industry.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 24 January 2021 18: 43
    0
    And why exactly "Mriya" suddenly needed a UA?
    This is a piece goods / airplane.
    There, in order to build such a machine, you need to invest a lot of money, plus R&D, plus preparation of the production ...
    Do you have staff for such events? However, I am very bothered. Who in the shops will actually sculpt it in aluminum?
    It's easier to die with a dream ....
    I am not a professional in the aircraft industry (although we were trained in the damned Soviet era to assemble airplanes if suddenly it was necessary). But, most likely, this is a utopia.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 January 2021 19: 45
    0
    It is theoretically possible to find an investor. In theory. What's the point? Ukraine will not be able to build such an aircraft, from the word at all. And why is such a device needed?
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 24 January 2021 19: 59
    0
    Virgin group may well be interested in this plane
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 25 January 2021 13: 13
      0
      Quote: Vadim_888
      Virgin group may well be interested in this plane

      In what capacity? The launch of ultra-small launch vehicles is easier and cheaper from under the belly of the 747. And it is also safer for the aircraft.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 24 January 2021 20: 00
    -3
    Erdogan raised the issue of building Mriya when Zelensky and the delegation signed an intergovernmental agreement on "strategic partnership" in
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 24 January 2021 20: 12
    0
    Quote: paul3390
    Do you think that a plane lifting 250 tons should be thin and graceful like a dragonfly? belay

    And sho vi think: he still has to beat the WAIST!
  • Berkut752
    Berkut752 24 January 2021 20: 40
    0
    There is no money, you Ukrainians are holding on ..............................
  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 January 2021 20: 47
    +1
    Former head of the State Space Agency of Ukraine Vladimir Usov previously reminded that the second An-225 Mriya plane has been waiting in the wings for 35 years. Its completion will require approximately one billion dollars.

    A plane worth a billion dollars, seriously in Ukraine, investors are considered suckers
  • Maki maki
    Maki maki 24 January 2021 21: 14
    +17
    He stated that the success of the project primarily depends on foreign customers who are ready to join in its joint implementation.

    These are all Wishlist. Do you have real customers?
  • Pamir
    Pamir 24 January 2021 22: 38
    +2
    Interestingly, in the article "Ukraine is now looking for an investor for the Mriya-2 aircraft project, but in what is Ukraine not looking for investors? Something is not yet joining with the investment, or what? It would not be possible to think about Mriya, the Chinese are a lot they could have done it, but they were tough with Motor Sich, and they were thrown in the best traditions of raiding. And what kind of investors should we expect next? Lobbyists from Boeing and Lockheed, then Mriya will rather remain in their heads. It is not serious, at one time hundreds of subcontractors from all over the Union worked for Mriya, the project was expensive, more such investment will not work. Yes, this plane is already unprofitable, the USSR could indulge its pride.
    Aviation industry of Ukraine today, only a monument to communism, and with this legacy, the struggle is merciless.
  • exo
    exo 24 January 2021 22: 51
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    PD-35

    PD-35, today, is no less fiction than Mriya-2. Although, he still has more chances.
  • Owl
    Owl 24 January 2021 22: 57
    +1
    And for what and who needs this "Mriya-2"? In the USSR - it was clear for the transportation of "oversized" by air, from the manufacturer, to Baikonur. The "air launch" of a space "plane" was considered. Specific tasks - specific aircraft. Conclusion: Mriya-2 is a source of funding from the sponsors of the Antonov company. But the money will not fully reach, even if it suddenly appears, on the "top" these funds of races .... yat.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 25 January 2021 07: 04
      0
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      Conclusion: "Mriya-2" is a source of funding by sponsors of the "Antonov" company. But the money will not fully reach, even if it suddenly appears, on the "top" these funds of races .... yat.

      Nobody KB will not let this bubble (let's say for a second that there is a fairy tale). It is clearly written:
      State Concern "Ukroboronprom" concerned about the development of the Ukrainian aircraft industry. In particular now Ukraine is looking for an investor for the Mriya-2 aircraft project.
      The CEO told about it concern Yuri Gusev.

      A and.about. director of "Antonov" just said what he was told.
  • Sultan
    Sultan 24 January 2021 23: 10
    0
    A billion for the construction of a single "second" board, with no engines, no avionics, or even an idea of ​​what should be? Ukraine ??? Unrealizable dreams of realizing the professional qualities of Ukrainian aviation workers.
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 January 2021 10: 59
      +1
      There are engines and have been serially produced for a long time
  • Vlad is short
    Vlad is short 25 January 2021 19: 38
    +1
    Such an aircraft in single copies is very problematic to operate and extremely expensive to manufacture, the project never paid off.
  • wow
    wow 25 January 2021 20: 14
    +1
    Seek, seek, God willing you will find (although unlikely)! This aircraft is highly specialized, therefore ... And not a horse (new ukreiny) feed!
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