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Newest 152-mm guided munition will be tested in the Nizhny Novgorod region

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The Russian Armed Forces may soon receive the latest large-caliber guided ammunition. We are talking about a 152-mm projectile for self-propelled guns and towed artillery installations.


The Russian government procurement website informs about the intention to test this experimental ammunition. It belongs to the guided type of high-explosive fragmentation ammunition 3OF95. Such a projectile can be used by the Msta-B and Msta-S, D-20, Akatsiya artillery pieces - in principle, any of the appropriate caliber. The same ammunition is also suitable for the Coalition-SV inter-service artillery complex.

According to RIA News, the newest guided munition will be tested in the Nizhny Novgorod region, at one of the test sites.

It is added that the projectile will receive several variants of the seeker (seeker), as well as inertial and satellite navigation systems.
The specific parameters and characteristics of the newest guided 152-mm ammunition have not yet been given.

Recall that at the moment in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Krasnopol is used as a corrected artillery ammunition in its various versions, including 3OF39M (152 mm caliber) and K155M (155 mm caliber). The target destruction range is up to 25 km. At the same time, it was reported about a long-range version - "Krasnopol-D", capable of hitting various types of targets at a distance of more than 40 km.
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  1. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 24 January 2021 07: 43
    +1
    I wonder how much cheaper such a rocket shot will be?
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 24 January 2021 08: 48
      +2
      The 152 centimeter has long been used.
      1. venik
        venik 24 January 2021 11: 03
        +4
        Quote: Bar1
        The 152 centimeter has long been used.

        =======
        what
        And what, the centimeter - has changed in size and now is 152 mm? belay Why didn't they tell me? request
        Maybe after all "caliber"152 mm?
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 24 January 2021 11: 04
          +5
          Quote: venik
          Maybe the "caliber" is 152 mm after all?


          maybe, maybe.
          A centimeter is the name of a shell, and 152 is a caliber, and calibers are measured in mm, I thought everyone knew that.
          1. venik
            venik 24 January 2021 11: 26
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            Quote: Bar1
            A centimeter is the name of the projectile

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            In, "hit" !!! belay
            -----
            Quote: Bar1
            I thought everyone knew that.

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            Alas - far from sse! Azm you are not an artilleryman (in RTV "pidzhachil") ..... request
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 24 January 2021 11: 30
              +1
              Quote: venik
              Alas - far from sse! Azm you are not an artilleryman (in RTV he "pidzhachil").


              I want to say that the article is not about anything, high-precision projectiles (centimeter-152, daredevil-240mm) were developed in the USSR 30-40 years ago and what they want to say to us with this article is not clear.
              Recently, the truth was about the fact that small-caliber projectiles - 30-57mm can somehow be "programmed" from the on-board radar, but this infa strained me, that is, raised doubts about the truth.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 24 January 2021 13: 04
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                and what they want to tell us with this little article is not clear.

                I suppose new homing heads.
              2. avdkrd
                avdkrd 24 January 2021 13: 11
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                Quote: Bar1
                I want to say that the article is not about anything, high-precision shells (centimeter-152, daredevil-240mm) were developed in the USSR 30-40 years ago, and what they want to tell us with this article is not clear.

                The article talks about a NEW guided projectile, although the article really is not about anything. No performance characteristics, except for the caliber. We can only assume that this is an analogue of Excalibur, with a range of 70-100 km.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 24 January 2021 13: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: avdkrd
                  We can only assume that this is an analogue of Excalibur, with a range of 70-100 km.


                  I talked about projectiles with gas-dynamic control, developed back in the USSR by V. Vishnevsky, and not about plane taxiing.
                  By the way
                  -Escalibur-chopped on Russian.
              3. venik
                venik 24 January 2021 14: 30
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                Quote: Bar1
                Recently, the truth was about the fact that small-caliber projectiles - 30-57mm can somehow be "programmed" from the on-board radar, but this infa strained me, that is, raised doubts about the truth.

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                Well, in fact, programmable shells are not new (in Sweden, Austria and Switzerland - they have been in service for a long time) ...... And 57-mm is not too "small" caliber .... So, this somehow does not cause any special doubts (especially considering personal experience with microelectronics) ..... Moreover, the Austrians even managed to push the programmer into a 30-mm projectile (it works for them by the number turns of the projectile after the shot and is programmed before feeding the "quick-arrow" to the barrel) ...... request
                We took a different and simpler path - the signal for detonation is transmitted by radio command (according to the radar data) ...
                Somewhere like that! hi
                1. JD1979
                  JD1979 24 January 2021 16: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: venik
                  We took a different and simpler path - the signal for detonation is transmitted by radio command (according to the radar data) ...

                  And in what way is it simpler? Radar on each car with all body kit, computer for calculation. And you need to monitor each shell in the queue and individually give the command to detonate. This is not to mention the fact that the working radar instantly indicates the location of the car.
              4. nobody75
                nobody75 24 January 2021 16: 45
                +1
                Recently, the truth was about the fact that small-caliber projectiles - 30-57mm can somehow be "programmed" from the on-board radar, but this infa strained me, that is, raised doubts about the truth.

                The bottom fuse can be programmed. With the help of the coil, the time of detonation is indicated to him from the moment of departure from the barrel. And the radar data is calculated by the MSA and the time of the detonation on the trajectory is counted.
                As for the 152 mm projectile being tested, they will increase the range by replacing the solid propellant rocket fuel, which means they will replace the seeker ...
                Sincerely
    2. nsm1
      nsm1 24 January 2021 08: 54
      +3
      Why would she be cheaper?
      The rocket has the same + engine.
      1. venik
        venik 24 January 2021 11: 08
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        Quote: nsm1
        Why would she be cheaper?
        The rocket has the same + engine.

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        Well, to be completely honest ... then such shells often have a gas generator (in fact, the same engine) ... But everything is the same - a rocket (with similar guidance system) CANNOT be cheaper! drinks
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 28 January 2021 16: 59
          +1
          Then such shells often have a gas generator (in fact, the same engine) ...
          in fact, as if not! :) A bottom gas generator, as one of the ways to reduce aerodynamic drag without lengthening the rear of the shell of the shell, in the form of filling the cavity behind the bottom of the shell with gases. For this, a gas generating element is built into the rear of the projectile. The gas generator fills the rarefied space behind the projectile with gases, which significantly reduces drag in flight. By reducing the turbulence of the air flow, the accuracy and relative range also increase: up to 15-20%, but does not create jet thrust, somehow, like this ... laughing
          1. venik
            venik 28 January 2021 18: 40
            +1
            Quote: Intruder
            Bottom gas generator, as one of the ways to reduce aerodynamic drag without lengthening the rear part of the shell of the shell, in the form of filling the cavity behind the bottom of the shell with gases.

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            good Yes! That is why I used the term "sort of"... This is easier to explain, and besides, from the point of view classical mechanics - still arises and pushing moment. Those. both factors work, although if we are talking about a "classical" gas generator, then it is reduced turbulence - plays dominant role! drinks
            But here aerodynamics already begins, and here - alas (!) Is not too strong ... And therefore, calculate which of the factors, under what conditions will be decisive (ie - where the "gas generator" ends and where the "engine" ") - today it is simply not able to (! request ). I can't even understand - is a "borderline case" possible and HOW will the projectile behave here? request
            Here you and "cards in hand"!
            PS Thanks! drinks
            PPS Generally, in modern physics (and applied mathematics) - ALL the most INTERESTING things are observed precisely in the "border zone" (ie when one theoretical model ALREADY does not work, and the other does not work STILL!). This is where the most interesting discoveries and "breakthrough" inventions are possible! hi
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 29 January 2021 06: 39
              -1
              INTERESTING things are observed in the "border zone" (ie when one theoretical model ALREADY does not work, and the other - STILL does not work!). This is where the most interesting discoveries and "breakthrough" inventions are possible!
              Exactly so, because physics is one of the observable by man, sides of the activity of the great experimenter - Nature, these are borderline conditions and states for us, but for her it is just a part of the routine of Being !!! repeat
              PS Not at all ... wink
              And in this way, to calculate which of the factors, under what conditions will be decisive (ie - where the "gas generator" ends and where the "engine" begins) - today it is simply not possible
              If for the gas-dynamic control of the aerodynamic parameters of the projectile and other "things", when moving in the atmosphere - then this is unambiguous - namely, the gas generator with all the ensuing from this ..., and if to create jet thrust, or change the momentum - then the jet engine! winked
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 24 January 2021 09: 31
      +1
      We have already discussed that ... up to some distance the projectile is cheaper, and from some kind of rocket. And it depends on the caliber. The more, the more profitable the rocket.
    4. venik
      venik 24 January 2021 11: 01
      -2
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      I wonder how much cheaper such a rocket shot will be?

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      Do not understand?! WHERE have you seen a 152 mm missile? 122 mm - yes, 220 mm and 300 mm - too ... And about 152 mm RS - somehow I have never heard.
      In addition, the question itself - not correct! PCs, they are also different ... For any such projectile will not be more expensive analogous to PC with similar guidance system! The plus is that, at the same time, it (the projectile) can be shoved into ANY weapon of a suitable caliber - and these are in service thousands!
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 24 January 2021 18: 49
        +2
        The plus is that, at the same time, it (the projectile) can be shoved into ANY weapon of a suitable caliber - and there are thousands of them in service!

        Yeah, and the PC can be fired from the guide pipe without a gun.
  2. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 24 January 2021 07: 53
    0
    Well, well ... it's high time! The Chinese, for example, have created several modifications of guided projectiles on the basis of Krasnopol! And with the GOS, and the "clean" GPS, and cassette with SPBE ... And now we have to catch up!
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 24 January 2021 12: 41
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      and cassette with SPBE ...

      What's the point? How much SPBE can be vpendyurit there. At best 2 - 3 pieces
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 January 2021 08: 22
    0
    I watched the shooting footage of Krasnopol in Syria impressed. True, sometimes we smear it for a couple of meters, but I think it's not too cretical. Cool, they put shells in the entrances to the dungeons!
  4. Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 24 January 2021 08: 38
    +3
    now you need to take headphones for fishing, otherwise I’ll go deaf, the lake is practically on this training ground ..... and there they are often smacked from everything that is possible .... in January I haven’t gotten to the exercises yet .... I think I’ll get on Wednesday ))
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 09: 10
      +3
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      Now I'll go deaf, the lake is located practically on this landfill ... and there they are often smacked from everything that is possible

      Do you fish in the Mulino area? laughing
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 24 January 2021 09: 15
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Do you fish in the Mulino area?

        not in Mulino itself .... there is a lake on the western border of the landfill ... pike ... there, but in general, of course, you can say in the Mulino area))
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 17: 29
          +2
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          not in Mulino itself .... there is a lake on the western border of the landfill ... pike ... there, but in general, of course, you can say in the Mulino area))

          Swam, we know ... laughing
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 January 2021 09: 05
    +2
    The Russian weapons system is being modernized. How much sophisticated electronics, compactly located in the GOS! Moreover, it can withstand monstrous overloads when fired. But we still need to resolve the issue with the power supply of this "device" ... Shelf life ... operating conditions ...
    And we (Russian military science) have to solve all this. Nobody will sell or deliver ...
    Even "friends" from China ... wassat
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 24 January 2021 17: 01
      +1
      I would make the head a combined Glonass + passive IR for laser illumination with a UAV. The only question is how to unite the UAVs into a swarm, so that they disassemble and pick up the targets for the salvo ...
      Sincerely
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 24 January 2021 18: 53
        0
        I would make a combined head Glonass + passive IR for laser illumination with a UAV

        And what will you do with this GLONASS, then in the shell? It seems to me that from GLONASS and inertial for one thing, it is necessary to control the trajectory during the flight, and not only at the end point.
        So IR or laser seeker?
        There are actually much more questions than simply uniting UAVs into a swarm.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 24 January 2021 20: 15
          +1
          E "Excalibur" has a head with GPS, but it is problematic to put an inertial on the projectile - even a solid-state gyroscope will go crazy from overloads in the barrel. And the control will be aerodynamic, as in Krasnopol, since this scheme is the most studied. The backlight laser works in the infrared range - that's what I meant.
          Sincerely
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 24 January 2021 20: 25
            0
            And the control will be aerodynamic, like Krasnopol

            Oops, and I missed that there is a projectile with aerodynamic control. Until now, I have only heard about the old Soviet Centimeter with transverse correcting nozzles. Therefore, I was surprised at the GPS correction, as well as sincerely surprised at all the latest messages regarding the shells for the Coalition.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 24 January 2021 20: 42
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              The centimeter is a very good shell. In Afghanistan he showed himself perfectly. But the impulse control system ... The teacher who read the difura to me defended his Ph.D. on it ... It's a difficult thing even for me.
              Sincerely
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 24 January 2021 22: 45
                0
                Likewise, control of the stabilizer bars is no easier. As far as I understand, modern engineering for these tasks uses approximately the same mathematical methods.
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 25 January 2021 20: 09
                  0
                  Steering machines by aviators worked up and down, and impulse control is still terra incognita. Therefore, the ABM missiles with transatmospheric interception only by the states have been okay so far. Air defense fighters with similar technology are only at the beginning of the journey. As soon as a universal interceptor is made, then ... hypersonic missiles will become obsolete. There are rumors that the S-500 will be equipped with such an interceptor.
                  Sincerely
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 January 2021 09: 25
    0
    I give a tooth, they will test it in Mulino. wassat
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 24 January 2021 10: 49
      0
      are there other polygons besides the "Gorokhovets camps"? ......................................... ...........................
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 24 January 2021 10: 52
        0
        If not there, then pull out the front. laughing
  7. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 24 January 2021 10: 21
    0
    Wasn't it decided not to post information about procurement for the military-industrial complex on the public procurement website?
  8. antivirus
    antivirus 24 January 2021 10: 49
    -1
    again there are no reports of AB construction.
    you give 10 pieces of 100000 TVI by 1.01.2031 !!!!!!!!!

    we simply do not stand still in the development of military equipment - already good.
  9. Ngauro
    Ngauro 26 January 2021 17: 23
    0
    there are no shock drones, but there are many non-shock ones, with the ability to illuminate the target with a guided projectile.