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The fictitious unity of the liberals

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“In my soul I am with you, in hard labor in Siberia.
And my body, fortunately, is lying in Zurich!

And if someone asks in an interview on the air
I will say that I am suffering lying here. " (from)


Leonid Gozman urged to sign petition on the American website, the authors of which drew analogies of the actions of the security forces at the unauthorized action with "Bloody Sunday", collected (at midnight on January 24) less than 400 signatures.

Forward, we are far away, but with you!


The action, by the way, takes place on Saturday (not Sunday). Leonid Gozman certainly supports these provocations. But why he himself is not with the "protesters" these days is a mystery.
And as usual it is on this day that he is very busydespite the fact that he did not leave Moscow.

The fictitious unity of the liberals



Lev Rubinstein was also very busy
and poor health. And the mood, as luck would have it, is not that.


The infamous "Yablokoy" "human rights activist" Boris Vishnevsky, who also suddenly became ill that day with health, notified his supporters about this. And regarding the use of underage children in unauthorized political rallies, instead of reasonably preventing the inevitable consequences of the negative impact on children, he calls for ensuring uninterrupted communication and providing children at rallies with wireless chargers.


But later, Vishnevsky suddenly recovered and with the courage of a superhero arrived at the police station. From that moment on, he publicly records his every step on his Facebook page.

An equally infamous professor Andrey Zubov, who received his titles in the tragic 90s, convicted of many falsifications, publicly regretting Hitler's defeat in the Great Patriotic War and expelled from the scientific community, also suddenly could not participate in what he always calls for. He decided to maintain isolation due to the pandemic.

He probably knows about the unprincipledness of his associates, who, being infected with Covid-19 with laboratory confirmation, took part in an illegal action, deliberately infecting others.

The number of such people who became infected at an unauthorized meeting has not yet been precisely established. And given a variety of factors, it can hardly be calculated. And the consequences will soon be obvious as a result of a sharp increase in cases.

But it is not clear why Zubov, according to the old "manual"

"Hysteria and panic of the authorities",

if it is from this side that confidence and calmness is shown, and the security forces show an amazing restraint, not characteristic, for example, of European or American police officers in such situations.

Mikhail Khodorkovsky on his Facebook page demonstrates a video where Masked Teens Walking With USA Flag.

True, and this "hero" was not at the scene... This is not surprising, because the leaders of the gathering were in all directions: at their country cottages, in England, in the USA or in Germany.


From there, it is so comfortable and safe to call for chaos in a hated country. Yes, they hate it. Because some openly express precisely this feeling for Russia, openly wishing her collapse and destruction. Others, hiding behind false patriotic statements, call on the West to regularly introduce and tighten sanctions against the Russian Federation, and also encourage them to interfere in the country's internal affairs.

Change for the sake of change. We are bored!


There are very different opinions in the comments on the provocative publications of liberal leaders.

Most often there are those who yearn for change for the sake of change. They are tired of the difficult but stable environment.

It is tragic that many famous people, such as Elena Chekalova, who worked some time ago on Channel One (the culinary section of the Good Morning program), are also among the active supporters of the pro-Western opposition. Last summer, she objected to opponents on her Facebook page with arguments:

"It doesn't matter who comes to power, as long as the government is replaceable and changes constantly!"

She was logically opposed by those who remember what people like today's "liberals" have done to our country, thanks to the betrayal of MS. Gorbachev.

And what did B.N. Yeltsin, who came to power through a coup d'état, destroying the country, "burying" the Constitution, and sovereignty, and statehood.

Now she publishes shots of riot police from the field and accompanies the publication with the text:


It is possible that she will be upset when she learns that these actions of our police are regarded as "bad" only by her and her supervisors. For the majority of Russian citizens, this is proof of the ability of the law enforcement agencies of our country to control the situation and show rare patience at facilities where boulders, firecrackers and glass are flying in their direction.

But, by the way, if you look closely at America, then in part this can even be regarded as insufficient toughness: the United States can declare as much as it wants about democratic principles, but the Americans themselves are well aware of how their own police operate in such cases and even in much more harmless ones.

Returning to the Russian "fighters". Judging by their rhetoric, they, unlike the truly patriotic citizens of the country, call that shameful time "the holy 90s" and yearn for their repetition. It is not surprising, because they supported Yeltsin's criminal actions in October 1993 against their own people, only they were on the same side with him.

Periodically, such reformers as Konstantin Borovoy (fortunately, has long been a political corpse, but unfortunately - with a mass of ideological followers), publish illustrations with the disfigured coat of arms of the USSR, tied with a mourning ribbon, which he accompanies with the text:

“We remember. We hate. Let's finish off the remnants. "

Now the "democrat" lives under the wing of curators, in the USA, in the state of California. There he publishes cartoons, wrote and published the book "Russia against the United States."

Even his associates do not want to buy this little book. Which he complained more than once in his own blog.

Now he is not publishing or making any appeals just because Navalny is not the force that deserves his respect. A significant part of the "Westerners" heroes are notorious non-humans like Boris Stomakhin, who was zealously defended by the "human rights activist" Lyudmila Alekseeva, who had gone into another world. But the current "fighters" were in solidarity with her, and to this day, knowing everything about Stomakhin's deeds, they still call him "the political victim of the Putin regime." Familiar and characteristic of them.

They have worse heroes, for example, policemen, SS men and other accomplices of the Nazis.
I would like to know what the real percentage of those who go out with such people to illegal actions "just for the sake of change": do they consider themselves traitors?
This is not pathos, it is a fact: either fools or scoundrels can become under the same slogans and common "divorces" with Russophobes.


They are encouraged to commit criminal acts from the “square”, from the very territory that acquired colonial status in this very way - “color revolutions”.
Ukrainian "patriots", being in a poor, plundered country, deprived of statehood and the remnants of sovereignty, urged both summer and now to burn tires, break paving stones, etc.



Of course, they still have not realized what they have done to their own country.

Now Ukrainians are trying to support those who want to do the same with Russia and Belarus. They had previously clicked to break tiles and paving stones that were not laid, and to smash buildings that they did not build. In their lives, these people did not create, did not build, did not work for real, did not read anything except propaganda and collections of liberal pseudo-historical mythology. And it is just such people that it is easy to control those who lead them to the "barricades", while remaining in the shadows and relative safety.




Few supporters - we'll think of it. Maybe they won't check


The liberal edition "Dozhd" is probably experiencing serious difficulties with support. And it is far from always able to control the quality of content if it allows far-fetched information, as if indicating the support of its idol. But in fact, this is the most primitive falsification, due to which the next troubles can arise. Not from the authorities, but from the one about whom they write like that.

A fresh example: unauthorized actions in support of the justly detained and defendant A. Navalny on January 23, 2021 liberal media used F. Kirkorov's post on Instagram. And (for some unknown reason) they interpreted it both in their headlines and in the materials as a position in support of Navalny.


But everyone knows Kirkorov's political and social position: he is a staunch opponent of the liberals and supporter of V.V. Putin.


And surprisingly, Ksenia Sobchak, who is probably struggling to control her emotions again, passed on wishful thinking. In her telegram channel, she emotionally informed the subscribers that Alla Pugacheva “unsubscribed” from her ex-husband F. Kirkorov and subscribed to Navalny.

A strange opinion for a person who positions himself as a journalist. Indeed, for any politician, writer, director, screenwriter, actor, etc. all kinds of people are signed. Subscriptions do not mean support or expressions of solidarity. The anti-liberals with an active civil position are subscribed to the activists of the liberals and vice versa. All this was and is being done with the aim of monitoring publications and operational analytics.

Why do liberals need such disinformation? It is quite understandable. In fact, they actually have no support. They write about it themselves in the comments on social networks. And in the manner of neighboring Euromaidan colonists, they complain about 86% of the "quilted jackets" in the country.



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And herself publication Kirkorov is quite simple and understandable in his personal position: he supported not Navalny... There are no obstacles for someone to go to his page and check it personally, and at the same time read the comments to it. Philip, it should be noted, was greatly angered there, and before limiting comments, he did not stand on ceremony with some in vocabulary and tactics, answered obscenely. But it is clear to whom - namely, Navalny's supporters.

At the end of the day, it was reported that about 300 teenagers were detained and taken to police stations at illegal actions. Judging by the footage from the reports (the author a photo Anton Koval) some of them are barely 12 years old. These are kids. Some ended up there out of curiosity, by accident.

There are separate questions to the instigators and organizers, but parents or their legal representatives are still responsible for the children. As well as school teachers.

For the sake of objectivity, one should not discount the forces curated and sponsored from the United States and Great Britain. In the neighboring country, the once successful and prosperous Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, in just three decades everything that had been profited and built by the people for a century was destroyed. And this was done by the forces of the victorious minority who seized power.

Yes, Putin is not Yanukovych. But he is not eternal, and should not be an uncontested figure. Serious work is needed in the country in matters of economy, science, education, health care, culture and education of children and youth. On the example of many things happening, we see the shaking foundations, and certain forces take advantage of this.

In 2010, on the recommendation of the notorious "figures" Garry Kasparov, Yevgenia Albats, Sergei Guriev and Oleg Tsyvinsky, A. Navalny studied at Yale University under the Yale World Fellows program. The objectives of the program are available to those who wish, are in the public domain. It is useful for the uninformed and "apolitical" to get acquainted. Nowadays, Navalny's daughter is studying in the United States for free, despite the many years of statements by the "fighter" himself:

"If you want to change Russia, your children must study here."

Now doubts arose as to where exactly he first said it. And is it about Russia ...

Therefore, it is worth remembering the famous phrase of the great Russian commander A.V. Suvorov about Napoleon in the 1940 film "Suvorov":

“Oh, how he walks, this boy! It's time to calm him down. "

The analogy should be drawn not with Navalny as a separate figure, but with collective “navalism” as a phenomenon as a whole.

The opposition must be healthy and honest.

The above is not by definition.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 January 2021 05: 30
    +17
    Therefore, it is worth remembering the famous phrase of the great Russian commander A.V. Suvorov about Napoleon in the 1940 film "Suvorov":

    “Oh, how he walks, this boy! It's time to calm him down. "

    In this regard, the Latvian political scientist Yevgeny Korol said that he did not understand the authorities of the Russian Federation and advised them to follow the example of the United States. “There would be such a person sentenced to 100+ years”, - the King concluded in his post.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 25 January 2021 05: 37
      +9
      They are tired of the difficult but stable environment.

      A steady decline in real disposable incomes for seven years now, without any prospects for a change in the situation for the better, somehow not really... Well, I do not insist on my opinion, but I have little idea of ​​people who can support this.
      1. region58
        region58 25 January 2021 05: 48
        +5
        Quote: military_cat
        without the prospect of changing the situation for the better

        Could you elaborate on your so pessimistic vision of the prospects?
        Quote: military_cat
        I have little idea of ​​people who can support this.

        Maybe these people see a little deeper, and understand the essence of the ongoing processes?

        PS In general, a slippery and incomprehensible comment: "I wrote, but if I'm not in business."
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 25 January 2021 05: 56
          +7
          Quote: region58
          Could you elaborate on your so pessimistic vision of the prospects?

          It is empirical, based on previous efforts and the reluctance / inability of the administration to suggest anything more intelligible.



          PS I am in business, buttons with minuses in their places, as expected (although I myself do not dabble in them).
          1. region58
            region58 25 January 2021 06: 07
            -1
            Quote: military_cat
            It is empirical based on previous results

            No, when I asked for more detailed information, I did not mean pictures. I think you can state your point of view in at least a few sentences without slogans. And do I understand correctly that you mean your personal experience and your personal prospects? And then you have something like "in general".
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 25 January 2021 06: 28
              +9
              As for me personally, I am an IT specialist, and I do not complain about my own income and prospects. "Real disposable income" is a statistical metric.

              I have already summed up, in principle, the current administration has no incentive to change the situation. She is busy with what she has been doing all the time - she uses the country as a platform for collecting administrative rent in the interests of a small circle of people, and makes it her main task to keep the leverage of collecting rent for as long as possible. I proceed from the fact that she solves her problems very, very successfully, and she has no reason to even try to change something. As part of solving these problems, she constantly throws in the idea that the situation in the world is moving towards some kind of resolution, but there is no objective reason to believe that this will happen (all kinds of scenarios for changing the world order proposed in recent decades have always turned out to be nothing, but the search for them has not stopped. These scenarios are the most convenient way to wishful thinking. The collapse of the dollar or the collapse of the United States is pleasant to wait and does not require the waiter to take any action that could cause inconvenience to the nomenclature. Trade in apocalyptic forecasts has worked and will work successfully).
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 25 January 2021 06: 43
                +5
                Today I saw fresh videos of an unauthorized rally in Moscow on January 23.01.2021, XNUMX, allegedly for Navalny. Well, what can I say about what I saw?

                1. Drew attention to ggroups of PROFESSIONALLY trained Protestants, as is the case in Belarus. Namely. Concatenation of protesters into a group under the arms, so that the police do not pull out the protesters from the crowd one by one, with the presence of organizing leaders in the groups.
                2. White-red-white flags of the Tikhanov opposition in support of Russian Protestants in Moscow.
                3. Young people rush about with iron rods and use gas canisters against riot police. At the same time, the gas gets on the protesters themselves.
                4. Protesters attack riot police in groups. There was an episode of an attack on one riot policeman with beating of him already lying down from the side of 5 protesters at once.
                5. Among the protesters a huge number (I would say the OVERWEELING MOST) of school-age teenagers. ... They mischievous, bully riot police and shout indecent.
                6. Beat cars.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 25 January 2021 07: 34
                  +3
                  For example, I did not know earlier - I found out only tonight from the video below from the expert Karnaukhov - that In the Russian Federation, there are various telegram channels on the Internet, through which young guys are going to go to rallies. The channels are supervised by powerful moderators from abroad - the owners of the same Navalny. These channels operate according to the principle of operation of the Polish NEXTA in the Republic of Belarus.

                  Many bots have been created in these channels.
                  For example. In the telegram channel, you press start - and you get to the bot, which immediately tells you where you are, where you need to go, where it is safe in the sense that there are no riot police, which group to join and wait for further instructions, etc.
                  And on social networks a special network has been created for this for teenagers "Tik Tok" and network for younger children "Like"
                  See the video for details. from 41:20 min.

                  URGENT | Navalny uses teenagers in actions | Is Tik Tok a new HEXTA? | SMERSH 22.01.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX See from 41:20 min.

                  Video content.
                  00:00 - Navalny uses teenagers in actions
                  15:47 - Echo of Moscow calls for rallies
                  26:40 - What are the consequences of the involvement of minors in rallies?
                  47:41 - Tik Tok - a new HEXTA?
                  1:04:17 - Orthodoxy is in danger
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 25 January 2021 08: 55
                    +3
                    Well, if anyone is interested in how the protesters in Moscow and St. Petersburg behaved "peacefully", you can watch the video here. See eloquent footage 1:27:14 min.

                    Sunday evening with Vladimir Solovyov from 24.01.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGQNRuD7Rto

                    On "VO" this video itself does not pass, since it is almost 4 hours long. But I gave the link - and you can look at this passage out of curiosity to make sure that everything I said about the behavior of Protestants is the true truth.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 25 January 2021 09: 18
                      +4
                      Unfortunately, I didn't have time to edit my previous comment, because the window was closed. Therefore, I will clarify separately.
                      The video footage of the protesters' attack on OMN officers begins at 1:33:38 min.

                      I wish everyone a convincing view of what was happening on the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg on January 23.01.2021, XNUMX!
                      1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
                        Yuri Tverdokhleb 25 January 2021 10: 24
                        +6
                        Since I am from the free to most of the European outskirts, I can declare the following - We rode, we rode
                        My future is smashed about ... whether
                        We got grief and freedom
                        True, Nama is already to the people.
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 25 January 2021 14: 38
                        0
                        A wonderful article by Tatiana, completely stripping and highlighting the "fighters" -provokers. Thank you very much, Tatyana and a deep bow! good hi
                    2. g_ae
                      g_ae 25 January 2021 15: 55
                      +1
                      Here! And when they said that in Belarus we had a rehearsal in front of Russia, there was so much condescending, giggling and bewilderment! Ah, excessive cruelty! Ah, why did they give the girl-athlete 15 days! Oh, this is impossible with us! Oh, don't compare the processes in Belarus and Russia! Ah, Lukashenka is out of his mind! And why did they welcome our bchb-riffraff? All sorts of Bolkunets and Ronanchuks did not leave the screens. Takhanovskaya and Latushka are the main characters on the echo and rain. And why was it allowed to hold the festival in support of bchb madness? Partisanfest, tfu. And these same characters are now drowning for Navalny. And why did bchb-Sabbaths in front of our embassy were and are being held? And anti-Belarusian telegram channels have now switched to Russia. How did the wolf say to the watchdog in the cartoon? Are you like me now? Not a bit gloating, but it was insulting. Hold on. This is a sore for a long time.
                    3. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 25 January 2021 18: 55
                      +6
                      Quote: g_ae
                      Here! And when they said that in Belarus we had a rehearsal in front of Russia, there was so much condescending, giggling and bewilderment!

                      Unfortunately, I think that everything is still ahead in Belarus. and with the Russian Federation "partners" will not calm down so quickly.
                    4. g_ae
                      g_ae 25 January 2021 19: 32
                      +3
                      Receive and sign, as they say.

                  2. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 25 January 2021 18: 51
                    +5
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    I wish everyone a convincing view of what was happening on the streets of Moscow

                    And funny and bitter. These protesters cannot even express their thoughts, it seems that they have no thoughts either. Is this the future of Russia? Some gopniks at one time could speak much more sensibly. Pernicious propaganda does its job. "Pichal" ...
                    We watch a video from the streets of Moscow, there is a full video for two hours. But here in a condensed form:
                2. Revival
                  Revival 25 January 2021 13: 40
                  +1
                  Even though Solovyov's comments are not dirty.
              2. WIKI
                WIKI 25 January 2021 12: 00
                +2
                Quote: Tatiana
                Navalny uses teenagers in actions

                I am also against the use of this category of young people for political purposes. Can you cite, in addition to general words, specific examples of Navalny's calls, addressed specifically to teenagers, to go to rallies? If they are made by some resource, not in the first person, then this may be an ordinary provocation. How to relate to, for example: "TikTok today began to publish videos that on January 30 all over Russia rallies in support of Russian President Vladimir Putin will be held."
            2. parma
              parma 25 January 2021 11: 40
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              Today I saw fresh videos of an unauthorized rally in Moscow on January 23.01.2021, XNUMX, allegedly for Navalny. Well, what can I say about what I saw?

              1. Drew attention to ggroups of PROFESSIONALLY trained Protestants, as is the case in Belarus. Namely. Concatenation of protesters into a group under the arms, so that the police do not pull out the protesters from the crowd one by one, with the presence of organizing leaders in the groups.
              2. White-red-white flags of the Tikhanov opposition in support of Russian Protestants in Moscow.
              3. Young people rush about with iron rods and use gas canisters against riot police. At the same time, the gas gets on the protesters themselves.
              4. Protesters attack riot police in groups. There was an episode of an attack on one riot policeman with beating of him already lying down from the side of 5 protesters at once.
              5. Among the protesters a huge number (I would say the OVERWEELING MOST) of school-age teenagers. ... They mischievous, bully riot police and shout indecent.
              6. Beat cars.

              I don’t know how it was in Moscow and St. Petersburg, I do not live there, in Yekaterinburg (although our “city of demons” is considered very oppositional) if there were teenagers, then only with their parents! There were a lot of people (the column stretched for almost 1,5 km, considering that 3-4 people walked hardly at a distance of 0,5-1 meter, about 5-10 thousand gathered). Most of them went home after the final point of the route and the first calls from the security forces, in the park itself, to leave ... 17 people were detained, and no one cancels the possibility of the presence of provocateurs from among the security forces themselves ... who does not believe - the local information portal filmed everything (e1 .ru), come in, see ...
              PS: I could be wrong, but I doubt that everything was as you claim, well, the "official channels" ...
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 25 January 2021 20: 45
                +3
                Quote: parma
                Quote: Tatiana
                Today I saw fresh videos of an unauthorized rally in Moscow on January 23.01.2021, XNUMX, allegedly for Navalny. Well, what can I say about what I saw?

                1. Drew attention to ggroups of PROFESSIONALLY trained Protestants, as is the case in Belarus. Namely. Concatenation of protesters into a group under the arms, so that the police do not pull out the protesters from the crowd one by one, with the presence of organizing leaders in the groups.
                2. White-red-white flags of the Tikhanov opposition in support of Russian Protestants in Moscow.
                3. Young people rush about with iron rods and use gas canisters against riot police. At the same time, the gas gets on the protesters themselves.
                4. Protesters attack riot police in groups. There was an episode of an attack on one riot policeman with beating of him already lying down from the side of 5 protesters at once.
                5. Among the protesters a huge number (I would say the OVERWEELING MOST) of school-age teenagers. ... They mischievous, bully riot police and shout indecent.
                6. Beat cars.
                PS: I could be wrong, but I doubt that everything was as you claim, well, the "official channels" ...

                In this case, I commented on the UNOFFICIAL BLOGGING video filmed and presented by the Protestants themselves. Namely.

                I originally watched tonight it is UNOFFICIAL long in time video of some protest blogger, posted in Yandex on behalf of the protesters themselves, and who personally filmed and told, how he and they, as part of the protesters, moved from the center of Moscow to the "Matrosskaya Tishina", which contains Navalny. They almost reached the "sailor's silence" - but everything was blocked by the police, and then they did not approach the OMON and simply turned back. This video ended.
                The video is long in time, and I did not find it on YouTube for posting on "VO".
                This is exactly this SELF-ACTIVE video on behalf of the Protestants themselves, in this commentary I analyzed - and myself - and laid out in it my own impressions of watching it about the Protestants themselves.

                And then I asked about other programs on this topic on other channels. And my opinion with other analysts completely coincided.
                1. parma
                  parma 25 January 2021 21: 47
                  -4
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  In this case, I commented on the UNOFFICIAL BLOGGING video filmed and presented by the Protestants themselves. Namely.

                  I originally watched this night an UNOFFICIAL long video of some protest blogger posted on Yandex on behalf of the protesters themselves, and who personally filmed and told how he and they, as part of the protesters, moved from the center of Moscow to Matrosskaya Tishina, which contains Navalny. They almost reached the "sailor's silence" - but everything was blocked by the police, and then they did not approach the OMON and simply turned back. This video ended.
                  The video is long in time, and I did not find it on YouTube for posting on "VO".
                  This is exactly this SELF-ACTIVE video on behalf of the Protestants themselves, in this commentary I analyzed - and myself - and laid out in it my own impressions of watching it about the Protestants themselves.

                  And then I asked about other programs on this topic on other channels. And my opinion with other analysts completely coincided.

                  Well, did you find a video of some KNOW-NEIM on the network, where he claims that they smash the police (but this is not on the video) and put bad people in everything? Eckhm .... Let's start with no one in their right mind:
                  a) will not say that he went / will not call to go to an uncoordinated rally (this is punishable)
                  b) does not call a walk a rally, maximum a share
                  Let's end with the fact that even the rain (!!!!) and other opposition media (well, or those named) condemned any aggression on the part of the "walking" and called for the transfer of radicals and provocateurs to the police .... You did not watch them, like anybody else. content + - serious content (well, or did not refer to them on purpose)
                  From the above, I can draw one conclusion - you, Tatiana, as the author of this article, write (or rather, brazenly lie like the pro-government information channels) with one goal - to convince the largest possible number of people that everything is wonderful, wonderful and " walks "this is the loosening of our leaky boat, and not an attempt to force the captain to patch holes ... Therefore, for myself I draw a conclusion - standard kremlebots ...
                  PS: I do not support Navalny, the protests ... But I support the desire (and most importantly, the right !!) of people to express their opinion through peaceful mass walks (they have not yet been banned, thank God) and I think that this opinion should be taken into account .. ...
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 25 January 2021 22: 46
                    +3
                    Quote: parma
                    From the above, I can draw one conclusion - you, Tatiana, as the author of this article, write (or rather, brazenly lie like the pro-government information channels) with one goal - to convince the largest possible number of people that everything is wonderful, wonderful and " walks "this is the loosening of our leaky boat, and not an attempt to force the captain to patch holes ... Therefore, for myself I draw a conclusion - standard kremlebots ...

                    And I hear it from the Yekaterinburg Vlasov!
                  2. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 25 January 2021 22: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: parma
                    From the above, I can draw one conclusion - You, Tatyana, as the actual author of this article you write (or rather, brazenly lie, like the pro-government information channels) with one goal - to convince the largest possible number of people that everything is wonderful, wonderful, and "walks" are loosening our leaky boat, and not trying to force the captain to patch holes .. Therefore, for myself I draw a conclusion - standard kremlebots ...

                    And I hear it from the zombie Vlasov from Yeltsin-pro-American Yekaterinburg.
                  3. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 25 January 2021 23: 08
                    +1
                    hi accusations were made to bloggers for appeals6 and they reacted immediately
                    And I would like to draw your attention to Tatyana. Do you remember that Tikhanovskaya recently (at the behest of the curators) threatened some serious action for Belarus on October 25 or 26? Past dates mean a lot, okay? Did you want to equate its actions with the 1917 revolution?
                    And on January 23, doesn't it remind you of Bloody Sunday 1905? These are the symbolic analogies that Navalny's curators have developed. With all that it implies. That's what it's about
                  4. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 25 January 2021 23: 15
                    +2
                    Yes, Dmitry, in this political sense, I agree with you.
                    Your analogies are logically-historically acceptable!
                  5. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 25 January 2021 23: 33
                    0
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Yes, Dmitry, in this political sense, I agree with you.
                    Your analogies are logically-historically acceptable!

                    I think that was the intention of the curators. bully bully bully ... What are the sudden casualties as a result of provocations and ----- here it is, the line from 1905 to 2021. And forgotten the mess in the US elections, everything that was there. Only a bloody morder and everything else ... in liberal tones
              2. parma
                parma 25 January 2021 23: 23
                -4
                Quote: Tatiana
                Quote: parma
                From the above, I can draw one conclusion - You, Tatyana, as the actual author of this article you write (or rather, brazenly lie, like the pro-government information channels) with one goal - to convince the largest possible number of people that everything is wonderful, wonderful, and "walks" are loosening our leaky boat, and not trying to force the captain to patch holes .. Therefore, for myself I draw a conclusion - standard kremlebots ...

                And I hear it from the zombie Vlasov from Yeltsin-pro-American Yekaterinburg.

                To begin with, raise your level of awareness and education, and then throw loud phrases about the inhabitants of our city or me personally ...
                for reference - most of the residents were against the creation of this center and renaming the street, but thanks to the president's office (!), it was built ... by the way, the rally against the construction was not approved at that time ... but they are kept on federal money - taking into account the business center in it, the museum of the first president and the restaurant, the balance of the Yeltsin Center is about -3 billion rubles a year)) the museum is so popular that orders to lead schoolchildren there from the local education department come once a year and schools are forced to visit it))) but what am I all about the apparatus the president and the education departments, the people so "love" this place that the monument to EBN has already been doused with paint and set on fire, and what they just did not do ... so the presidential apparatus is "more liberal" (as the uninformed kremlebots say, not knowing the true meaning of this words) residents of Yekaterinburg
                Although no, you don't have to raise awareness, it will be more difficult to fulfill responsibilities
              3. Tatyana
                Tatyana 25 January 2021 23: 49
                +2
                Everything that you write, I know perfectly well.
                Then why the hell are you defending the "bully" with Khodorkovsky and other rascals ?!
                Navalny, Khodorkovsky are not striving for power in Russia for the best! They are a creature of the foreign intelligence services of the United States!
                Are you going to change Putin for them ?! Bad for even worse ?! You are a Vlasovite! Pure water Vlasovets!
                For the sake of liberating Russia from the communist regime they hated during the Second World War, the Vlasovites took the side of the German invaders!
                Exactly the same thing zombified by the enemy treacherously against Russia and you are doing!
                Know how to prioritize, if you are in fact a true patriot of Russia, oh not a fellow traveler with foreign enemies!

                And besides, I never lie.
              4. parma
                parma 26 January 2021 05: 46
                -2
                Quote: Tatiana
                Everything that you write, I know perfectly well.
                Then why the hell are you defending the "bully" with Khodorkovsky and other rascals ?!
                Navalny, Khodorkovsky are not striving for power in Russia for the best! They are a creature of the foreign intelligence services of the United States!
                Are you going to change Putin for them ?! Bad for even worse ?! You are a Vlasovite! Pure water Vlasovets!
                For the sake of liberating Russia from the communist regime they hated during the Second World War, the Vlasovites took the side of the German invaders!
                Exactly the same thing zombified by the enemy treacherously against Russia and you are doing!
                Know how to prioritize, if you are in fact a true patriot of Russia, oh not a fellow traveler with foreign enemies!

                And besides, I never lie.

                Excuse me, but at what point did I support Navalny? I defend the right of people to express their opinion in PEACEFUL ways and demand that they not be sown with mud for this!
                You, like the author of this pseudo article, twist the facts and echo the official media of the authorities that only marginalized people and children participate in the rallies! When you poke your nose into the facts of lies, it suddenly turns out that you are not lying, that you have an unreliable source, and most importantly, after that I am a fascist ... and for some reason I always believed that it was just the fascists who exposed their opponents as non-humans, maybe you should look in the mirror better?
              5. Tatyana
                Tatyana 26 January 2021 06: 51
                +3
                Quote: parma
                Excuse me, but at what point did I support Navalny?
                In fact, you are in support of Navalny when you say
                I defend the right of people to express their opinion in PEACEFUL ways and demand that they not be sown with mud for this!

                At first. Indeed, there was no PEACEFUL protest of Navalny's defenders at the demonstrations! I will say even more. In response to what they were doing against unarmed law enforcement officers, I would have allowed riot police to use lethal weapons. Some Protestants obviously ran into it. In the US and in other countries, they would definitely be shot.

                Secondly .. The protests were dedicated to what and to whom? Criminal and traitor to the Motherland Navalny for his release!
                And why do you climb with your propaganda to join this protest with the realization of your abstract rights to express your freedom of opinion at such a politically targeted rally for Navalny ?!
                You are just ABSTRACT speaking for rights for rights? In the form of abstract universal values, which foreign agents of influence from NGOs in Yekaterinburg sang about?

                Thirdly. There are no abstract rights! Rights to defend something are not rubber for one and all. They are always in some way in society limited to special articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in defense of the national security of our country. And this is the case in all countries! Otherwise, we get anarchy.

                TOTAL. You do not need to breed here your pro-Western, pro-American Vlasov demagogy that you are "white" and "fluffy"! A traitor to the Motherland - he looks like you do with your reasoning.
              6. parma
                parma 26 January 2021 07: 56
                -3
                Quote: Tatiana
                Quote: parma
                Excuse me, but at what point did I support Navalny?
                In fact, you are in support of Navalny when you say
                I defend the right of people to express their opinion in PEACEFUL ways and demand that they not be sown with mud for this!

                At first. Indeed, there was no PEACEFUL protest of Navalny's defenders at the demonstrations! I will say even more. In response to what they were doing against unarmed law enforcement officers, I would have allowed riot police to use lethal weapons. Some Protestants obviously ran into it. In the US and in other countries, they would definitely be shot.

                Secondly .. The protests were dedicated to what and to whom? Criminal and traitor to the Motherland Navalny for his release!
                And why do you climb with your propaganda to join this protest with the realization of your abstract rights to express your freedom of opinion at such a politically targeted rally for Navalny ?!
                You are just ABSTRACT speaking for rights for rights? In the form of abstract universal values, which foreign agents of influence from NGOs in Yekaterinburg sang about?

                Thirdly. There are no abstract rights! Rights to defend something are not rubber for one and all. They are always in some way in society limited to special articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in defense of the national security of our country. And this is the case in all countries! Otherwise, we get anarchy.

                TOTAL. You do not need to breed here your pro-Western, pro-American Vlasov demagogy that you are "white" and "fluffy"! A traitor to the Motherland - he looks like you do with your reasoning.

                You are trying to slip into unsubstantiated formalities, demagoguery, of course, well, let's help you earn even a pretty penny!
                I didn’t say a word about Navalny’s guilt / innocence, but the way the trial proceeds over him is the height of formalism and farce! Do you consider the mobile court in the corridor to comply with all the norms of Russian law? Do you consider refusal in the presence of a lawyer during interrogation, trial and other events to be compliance with the rule of law? This is about Navalny himself, and again - guilt / innocence is determined by the court, and to call a person guilty before the court decision (and the entry into force of the verdict!), Even according to the formalities of our legislation, lies and slander (by the way, also punishable). So let's leave it to the servants of this very law.
                Further - Glory to all the gods that you have no right to give the appropriate order to OMON officers to use service weapons, that the officers themselves and their management know their duties and rights better than you, because according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the number of participants exceeded 100 thousand people (according to Navalny's supporters, 500 thousand ), and the number of detainees (not all of whom showed aggression and some of whom may well turn out to be provocateurs, both from among the security forces and 3 persons) does not exceed 4 thousand, the number of violators does not exceed 4% (or a statistical error). .. and you suggest to kill people, as if I am a fascist? And yes, about other countries where the protesters were shot - during the protests in 2020, at least 15 million people took part in the United States, and only 14 thousand were detained ... those% of violators are lower ... again you are lying) in the protesters it would be possible and they shot, but perhaps in Syria or Libya (and they were shot there, since then there has been a Civil War) or in Belarus (there is still a buch, no matter how they silenced it with us) ..
                Further, the speeches are connected precisely with farce and formalism from 1 point, and not with Navalny himself ... for some reason, when a relative of an official / security officer in a drunken stupor commits a murder, for example (a much more terrible crime than violation of the conditional sentence, we have now such an investigation is underway, for example) the investigation and the court has been going on for years, each fact or Expertise is carried out 20 times, but if a person who is not pleasing to the authorities violates the formal procedure, he is imprisoned, and not at the moment when he violates these formal rules, but when necessary authorities ... people consider this a violation of rights - that's why they walk)) so the rights are not abstract, but quite real ... and yes, regarding rights - according to the current constitution, the rights are certainly not rubber, but everyone seems to be equal)) why, say, a religious procession (and thus showing your religious opinion) is not a violation of the law, but a walk with the expression of your POLITICAL opinion (which differs from the opinion of the party) is? It seems that in the morning we had a secular state ...
                Regarding NGOs, there are hundreds of non-profit organizations and they are different! For example, SROs in construction, without which there is nowhere in our time) and until the connections of these same NGOs with the intelligence of a particular country are presented (even at the level of Navalny's investigations), your words are still lies and slander ...
                And yes, regarding propaganda - please note, you were the first to start propaganda, I just pointed out the inaccuracy and incorrectness of your sources (by the way, you agreed with this above), calling you as a journalist (and anyone who writes an article, you have them on VO , I consider a journalist, albeit an amateur) to rely on a larger number of sources (if you cannot determine the reliability of one) ...
                from all of the above, it follows that you are lying (including when the alleged opposite, because never say never) ... You continue to call me a pro-Western fascist (and for some reason you call the inhabitants of my city that way), in spite of the facts I have cited (as with center and street EBN, split off you supposedly know everything) the imposition of such a role on me by you and your ilk))
              7. Tatyana
                Tatyana 26 January 2021 16: 49
                -1
                You personally are lying when you say:
                - that the demonstrations were absolutely peaceful;
                - that they were not specially organized by the liberoids from the support group of Navalny and the same Khodorkovsky and other traitors sitting abroad;
                - that organizing these subversive anti-Russian rallies, their organizers do not professionally earn money for their organization and participation in them;
                - that the foreign agent and provocateur Navalny is allegedly "clean" before the law, like a glass, and was not on trial with a suspended sentence and does not continue to be on trial and investigation. Why do you personally make an exception for Navalny? on criminal charges and take him out of responsibility under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
                Quote: parma
                I didn’t say a word about Navalny’s guilt / innocence, but how the trial goes top of formalism and farce!
                Who told you this about the "top of formalism"? And what do you think the trial and investigation should be ?! For some it is formal, but for Navalny it is not formal ?! Navalny you have legally ELECTED ?!
                Quote: parma
                This is about Navalny himself, and again - guilt / innocence is determined by the court, and to call a person guilty before the court's decision (and the entry into force of the verdict!), Even according to the formalities of our legislation, lies and slander (by the way, also punishable). So let's leave it to the servants of this very law.
                So do not meddle with your propaganda excuses Navalny ahead of the locomotive!
                Quote: parma
                Thank all the gods that you do not have the right to give the appropriate order to OMON officers to use service weapons, that the employees themselves and their management know their duties and rights better than you, because according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the number of participants exceeded 100 thousand people (according to Navalny's supporters, 500 thousand), and the number of detainees (not all of whom showed aggression, and some of whom may well turn out to be provocateurs, both from among the employees of law enforcement agencies and 3 persons) does not exceed 4 thousand, the number of violators does not exceed 4% (or a statistical error) ...
                Here I agree with you. However it is these 4-6% who are radically active and are carrying out coups d'etat in the interests of the western special services !!! And you and people like you - "common people" - then from them all over your body and face with truncheons, boots and knives you will receive without any trial at all! For years you will sit with them incommunicado in deep earthen pits.
                Who burned people alive in the House of Trade Unions in Ukraine? Here they are! And people like you now sit at home in Ukraine and do not rock the boat in front of them.
                And you, you see, do not like the current freedom for Navalny, Khodorkovsky and other perverts in the Russian Federation !!!
              8. parma
                parma 26 January 2021 19: 59
                -2
                Quote: Tatiana
                You personally are lying when you say:
                - that the demonstrations were absolutely peaceful;
                - that they were not specially organized by the liberoids from the support group of Navalny and the same Khodorkovsky and other traitors sitting abroad;
                - that organizing these subversive anti-Russian rallies, their organizers do not professionally earn money for their organization and participation in them;
                - that the foreign agent and provocateur Navalny is allegedly "clean" before the law, like a piece of glass, and was not on trial with a suspended sentence and does not continue to be on trial and investigation. Why do you personally make an exception for Navalny on criminal charges and take him out of responsibility under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?

                Except for a peaceful walk (the opposite you {now with a small letter, those self-respect does not allow you to respectfully address a demagogue, even though a woman} have not been proven, and most importantly they have not even tried), I did not claim anything from the listed above. so go ahead with your propaganda ...
                Quote: Tatiana
                Who told you this about the "top of formalism"? And what do you think the trial and investigation should be ?! For some it is formal, but for Navalny it is not formal ?! Navalny you have legally ELECTED ?!

                Why was the detention after precisely the "poisoning" and 3 investigations aimed specifically at the image of one person as a great spy and savior of the nation ?? After all, according to the Federal Penitentiary Service, questions to Navalny began more than a year ago?
                Quote: Tatiana
                So do not meddle with your propaganda excuses Navalny ahead of the locomotive!

                Once again, I urge you not to break the law and not lie to a person (until there is a court decision that has entered into force, he is not guilty, then your words are slander) ... although uselessly small laws for kremlebots do not work, what are my equal rights. ..
                Quote: Tatiana
                Here I agree with you. However, it is precisely these 4-6% who are radically active who commit coups d'état in the interests of the Western special services !!! And you and people like you - "common people" - then from them all over your body and face with truncheons, boots and knives you will receive without any trial at all! For years you will sit with them incommunicado in deep earthen pits.
                Who burned people alive in the House of Trade Unions in Ukraine? Here they are! And people like you now sit at home in Ukraine and do not rock the boat in front of them.
                And you, you see, do not like the current freedom for Navalny, Khodorkovsky and other perverts in the Russian Federation !!!

                It seems to me such a huge collapse of% even on Black Thursday, from 100% to 4-6% in less than a day, and after all, literally, only you offered to shoot everyone right in the squares, but apparently the curator asked not to call for a decrease in the tax base))) ) at such a pace in a couple of dozen posts of our polemics and your conscience will wake up and you will start using real facts, and not sucked from the finger)))
            3. Tatyana
              Tatyana 26 January 2021 19: 55
              +3
              Quote: parma
              I didn’t say a word about Navalny’s guilt / innocence, but the way the trial proceeds over him is the height of formalism and farce! Do you consider the mobile court in the corridor to comply with all the norms of Russian law? Do you consider refusal in the presence of a lawyer during interrogation, trial and other events to be compliance with the rule of law? This is about Navalny himself, and again - guilt / innocence is determined by the court,

              On Monday, January 18, the Khimki city court arrested Navalny for 30 days, until February 15. The meeting took place not in the courthouse, but in the Khimki police department.
              The Ministry of Internal Affairs said that this is due to the fact that Navalny did not pass the coronavirus test upon arrival from Germany. Everything is done according to the law.
              What more do you want? Demagogue You are desperate!
              Why are you hysterical because of your legal illiteracy under the influence of foreign propaganda of Navalny and his supporters - Khodorkovsky and others - are you really fighting for the enemy of Russia and foreign agent of influence Alexei Navalny ?! You have nothing else to do?
            4. parma
              parma 26 January 2021 20: 04
              -1
              Quote: Tatiana
              Quote: parma
              I didn’t say a word about Navalny’s guilt / innocence, but the way the trial proceeds over him is the height of formalism and farce! Do you consider the mobile court in the corridor to comply with all the norms of Russian law? Do you consider refusal in the presence of a lawyer during interrogation, trial and other events to be compliance with the rule of law? This is about Navalny himself, and again - guilt / innocence is determined by the court,

              On Monday, January 18, the Khimki city court arrested Navalny for 30 days, until February 15. The meeting took place not in the courthouse, but in the Khimki police department.
              The Ministry of Internal Affairs said that this is due to the fact that Navalny did not pass the coronavirus test upon arrival from Germany. Everything is done according to the law.
              What more do you want? Demagogue You are desperate!
              Why are you hysterical because of your legal ignorance under the influence of foreign propaganda from Navalny, Khodorkovsky, etc., are you really fighting for the enemy of Russia and a foreign agent of influence - Alexei Navalny ?! You have nothing else to do?

              Yes, yes, yes, and even walks on the 23rd will lead to a surge in coronavirus diseases, and religious processions, voting for amendments (which do not change anything much) or just 2 parades in honor of May 9th no (yes yes, catch a free chance to grab onto an attempt on the holy) .. a convenient thing is an epidemic - here we read it, here it is not, but here the fish was wrapped)))
            5. Tatyana
              Tatyana 26 January 2021 20: 51
              +3
              Quote: parma
              a convenient thing is an epidemic - here we read, here it is not, but here the fish was wrapped)))

              How do you want it? Do you want to deal with anarchy?

              In St. Petersburg, for example, the number of new infections with coronavirus-19 from 26 November was 3779 infections per day (now in the last 3 weeks it has decreased slightly and fluctuates around 3000), the number of deaths from it was about 80 or more people per day (now about 60).
              At the same time, the overwhelming majority of those infected are returnees from abroad and spread the infection further. For them, a 2-week quarantine is MANDATORY!

              By the way, 19 acquaintances have already died from coronavirus-2 and now another one is sick.

              What do you have - Navalny - is the Holy Spirit without flesh? Can't get infected ?! Or is he especially chosen by God, whom the disease does not take and for whom an EXCEPTION must be made ?!
              What nonsense are you talking about ?!

              The authorities did everything right!
            6. parma
              parma 26 January 2021 21: 28
              0
              Quote: Tatiana
              Quote: parma
              a convenient thing is an epidemic - here we read, here it is not, but here the fish was wrapped)))

              How do you want it? Do you want to deal with anarchy?

              In St. Petersburg, for example, the number of new infections with coronavirus-19 from 26 November was 3779 infections per day (now in the last 3 weeks it has decreased slightly and fluctuates around 3000), the number of deaths from it was about 80 or more people per day (now about 60).
              At the same time, the overwhelming majority of those infected are returnees from abroad and spread the infection further. For them, a 2-week quarantine is MANDATORY!

              By the way, 19 acquaintances have already died from coronavirus-2 and now another one is sick.

              What do you have - Navalny - is the Holy Spirit without flesh? Can't get infected ?! Or is he especially chosen by God, whom the disease does not take and for whom an EXCEPTION must be made ?!
              What nonsense are you talking about ?!

              The authorities did everything right!

              If he gets infected, he can be a carrier (which did not prevent him from being delivered to the department, even without a lawyer), but apparently there are thousands or more people at mass festivities / religious events, apparently))
              This is why I love propagandists, because for their low level of education and awareness of the issues that they are discussing)) it is said to call white black, they will, and that the circle is not a square, they do not care, they can be confused)
            7. Tatyana
              Tatyana 26 January 2021 21: 34
              +1
              Quote: parma
              from what I love propagandists, because of their low level of education and awareness of the issues that they are discussing))

              Have you looked in the mirror for a long time? There Vlasov propagandist-"navalnenka" and you will see!
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 27 January 2021 20: 37
        -2
        The meeting took place not in the courthouse, but in the Khimki police department.
        The Ministry of Internal Affairs said that this is due to the fact that Navalny did not pass the coronavirus test upon arrival from Germany. Everything is done according to the law.

        in 1x under what law is it possible to conduct field court sessions. this is a specific, unambiguous question. I do not know this. the trial is held in the courthouse period. And its implementation is regulated by the Criminal Procedure Code, no federal law can cancel this ..
        in 2x and why in the police without a test it is possible to hold a meeting, but in court not .. like the police do not mind? Have you thought about the strangeness of your rationale?
        P.S. I consider Navalny to be a project of either the Kremlin or the West, or both .. he is not independent for sure ..
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 25 January 2021 12: 56
    +1
    Hitching Protestants into a group under the arms
    From top to bottom on the shoulder with a baton - and no hitch.
  • region58
    region58 25 January 2021 07: 05
    -9
    Quote: military_cat
    I'm not complaining about my own income and prospects.

    So what prospects do you not see?
    Quote: military_cat
    she solves her problems very, very successfully

    Well, it kind of goes without saying. Any administrative system in absolutely any country under any government makes every effort to preserve itself beloved.
    Quote: military_cat
    no reason to even try to change anything

    There are always reasons, both internal and external.
    Quote: military_cat
    scenarios for changing the world order have always turned out to be nothing

    I do not quite understand what you mean, but the world order has changed dramatically over the past thirty years. Because, in my deep conviction, the second pole of power in the form of the USSR has disappeared, and the remaining pole, stupefied by impunity, went haywire ...
    And one more thing: I agree with you that there are many places where the situation is awful, many things would be better not to do at all than as it is done now, but based on my own experience, I still see changes for the better. Small, gradual, but there is a trend.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 25 January 2021 07: 26
      +6
      Quote: region58
      and the remaining pole, stupefied with impunity, went haywire ...

      That's what I'm talking about. Convincing the population that the United States has gone haywire is a manipulation technique, wishful thinking. If you don’t believe it, put a reminder in your phone for the date when, in your opinion, the United States should be smashed according to all forecasts. Laugh.
      1. region58
        region58 25 January 2021 08: 00
        -1
        Quote: military_cat
        reception of manipulation

        Hmm. Strange ... That is, what has happened and is happening in the former Warsaw Pact countries, in the former republics of the USSR, in the Middle East - is it in itself? The height of naivety. And the US bases around the world are they not for promoting their interests, but solely for the development of tourism?
        Quote: military_cat
        The United States is already exactly according to all forecasts should smash

        I'm not talking about the collapse of the United States, I think, even Russia will not allow this to happen, no need for it. I'm talking about their foreign policy and the dictates of their interests. That in the absence of constraining factors is natural.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 26 January 2021 11: 06
        0
        It's not about that at all. The United States has gone haywire in the sense that it is unrestricted, behaving in many regions of the world like an elephant in a china shop.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 26 January 2021 10: 56
    0
    Gref's structures claim that the need for IT specialists will significantly decrease in the future. )
  • Navel
    Navel 27 January 2021 17: 11
    +1
    Quote: military_cat
    The trade in apocalyptic forecasts has worked and will continue to work.)

    That is, the raging LJ (yellow vests) European Istanbul and the militant transgender people ransacking shops, supported by kneeling Wasps, is this the norm in the stronghold of world democracy? Severe virus of unknown origin. Shooting of protesters, political prisoners, murders, strange "suicides" of dissenters in countries of developed liberalism - "is that different?" Really "all is well beautiful marquise"?
    Who could have imagined such a thing even 5 years ago?))
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 27 January 2021 18: 54
      -2
      Five years ago, the United States had to go under water because of the Yellowstone Volcano and the national debt, if you remember. And the EU - to fall apart because of the refugees swimming across the Mediterranean. After another five, you won't even remember that there were some LJ and BLM, everyone will be grafted from the virus, but they will bring new tales.
  • tatra
    tatra 25 January 2021 06: 07
    +18
    If we imagine the 30-year period after the capture of Russia by the enemies of the communists under their cowardly incantations "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame," in the form of a graph, then in the 90s the economy collapsed, the quality of life of the people, the demography deteriorated sharply, zero with the growth of the world economy, which needed a lot of natural resources and their prices soared - the economy, the quality of life of the people, and demography improved. Then the world economic crisis began, and again the economy, the quality of life of the people, and demography worsened in Russia. In 2012, in his speech on "galoshes", Putin himself admitted that Russia is in an economic crisis, and since then the economy, the quality of life of the people, demography have only gotten worse, and there are no real reasons to seriously consider that for the first time in 30 years since the highly paid work of the enemies of the communists will be better than Russia and the Russian people - NO.
    1. region58
      region58 25 January 2021 06: 30
      -2
      Quote: tatra
      enemies of the communists under their cowardly spells

      With all due respect, if without emotion and labeling, then you yourself write that the matter is in the economy:
      Quote: tatra
      the global economic crisis began, and again the economy deteriorated in Russia

      Do not find a contradiction: the world crisis, and Russia is part of the world, why does this crisis affect everyone, but shouldn't it?
      And yet, I'm not even close to an economist, but I see that many processes last for years and decades, and there may not be a momentary solution.
      1. tatra
        tatra 25 January 2021 06: 37
        +23
        And why then, under Soviet rule, the world economic crises did not affect Russia / the USSR in any way, we did not even know about them, as well as about the price of oil. And yes, the enemies of the communists for 30 years are good at only to have their large and huge salaries and incomes compared to the Russian people, and they inspire the people for 30 years, “be patient, they don’t change horses in the crossing”, “be patient, you don’t need to rock the boat "," be patient, enemies are everywhere. " And if people WANT to do something, they do, and do not blame others on the responsibility, as Putin with "galoshes" blamed the USSR for the vaunted "market economy" created by the enemies of the communists for 20 years
        1. Maki maki
          Maki maki 25 January 2021 06: 57
          +31
          Quote: tatra
          enemies for 30 years are good at only to have their big and huge - compared to the Russian people, salaries and incomes, and they inspire people for 30 years "be patient, they don't change horses in the crossing"

          Speak correctly. If the crisis is global, then "our" homegrown billionaires should fall in price and fly out of the Forbes lists
          1. region58
            region58 25 January 2021 12: 04
            -2
            Quote: Maki Maki
            should fall in price and fly out of the Forbes lists

            You prompted me to be curious, for this it is enough to look into Forbes itself:
            https://www.forbes.ru/milliardery-photogallery/417159-10-samyh-obednevshih-za-god-milliarderov-poteryali-pochti-18-mlrd?photo=10
            In short, we lost 18 billion in a year. I think that it is not critical for them.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 26 January 2021 11: 09
            +1
            But the largest American wealthy also got rich during this crisis. There is no linear relationship.
            1. Maki maki
              Maki maki 26 January 2021 11: 21
              +13
              Quote: Sergej1972
              But the largest American wealthy also got rich during this crisis. There is no linear relationship.

              The American rich do not make excuses to the American people for their capital, but silently increase it. Our "elite", increasing their wealth at the expense of Russia, asks the people to be patient, and explains the fall in the standard of living of the bulk of the "world crisis".
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 January 2021 07: 13
          +6
          Quote: tatra
          And why then, under Soviet rule, the world economic crises did not affect Russia / the USSR in any way, we did not even know about them, as well as about the price of oil. "

          They didn't know that, but the fall in oil prices, coupled with the increase in wheat prices, was the beginning of the end of the USSR hi
          1. tatra
            tatra 25 January 2021 08: 03
            +10
            Ha, this is another myth of the enemies of the communists to justify their capture of the USSR "The USSR was on an oil needle, oil prices collapsed, and the USSR collapsed", In 2008, just like in the late 80s, oil prices collapsed 4 times, and the Russian Federation did not even budge. Both Gorbachev and perestroika are already the ANTI-Soviet power.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 January 2021 08: 49
              +1
              The enemies of the communists are the enemies of the communists, only in 1986 oil prices fell from $ 32 to $ 10 per barrel, in 2008 they fell from $ 120 to $ 34 (the sharpest drop). If in 1986 the USSR was an importer of grain, then Russia in 2008 was an exporter hi
              The communists-perestroika-anti-Soviets inherited from the friends of the communists - the CPSU's ineffective economy fell ill - therefore, they began the mediocre process of rebuilding production and accelerating, etc.
              1. tatra
                tatra 25 January 2021 08: 55
                +5
                It is very difficult to communicate with the enemies of the communists, not only because they are all pathological liars and hypocrites, but also because they are not able to adequately perceive reality. Therefore, they expose for their "achievements" what can only be considered as such by the enemies of their country and people and potential patients in psychiatric hospitals. It is bad for them when the government buys grain for the normal provision of the people with high-quality and cheap bread, for them it is good when the people are POISONED with fodder grain with a bunch of chemicals and GMOs, or when the authorities and the bourgeois keep the people in a half-starved existence, as was the case in Ingushetia, and a lot grain is exported to other countries.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 January 2021 09: 04
                  +4
                  That is, the inability of friends of the Communists, members of the CPSU, to grow high-quality products in the USSR on the Ukrainian and Kuban black earth, forcing them to buy American and Canadian grain for oil, which ceased to be cheap in the mid-80s, you expose for the so-called. the achievement of the communists from among the friends of the communists? recourse
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 25 January 2021 13: 42
                  -4
                  Quote: tatra
                  It is bad for them when the government buys grain for the normal provision of the people with high-quality and cheap bread.

                  Outside the BORDER, the USSR buys grain for CURRENCY.

                  From 1963 to 1983, its purchases increased TWENTY times, up to 180 million tons.

                  For he himself was unable provide yourself with grain.

                  And this is when the biggest area of ​​arable land in the world.

                  And yes - THIRD of your harvest was leaving under the snow etc.

                  The yield is ridiculous compared to other European countries.
                3. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 25 January 2021 18: 02
                  -3
                  Do you know that Russia sells almost all of its grain, leaving ourselves the minimum, which is not enough for the production of feed for livestock and poultry. You have to buy feed, buy meat. We also buy 90% of the seeds for this huge harvest, we don't have our own seeds. Dubious success. Although success for officials - they receive dollars for the sold grain.
                4. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 25 January 2021 19: 00
                  -1
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  Doubtful success.

                  Against the background of purchases for foreign currency of a huge amount of grain, grain products, meat, butter and vegetable oil in the USSR in the 1980s - certainly

                  In the Russian Federation, the yield is 30 / ha, in the USSR the highest is 15-19,9 c / ha.

                  And in 1982 there was 9.8 c-at the RI level.
              2. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 26 January 2021 15: 11
                0
                From 1963 to 1983, its purchases increased TWENTY times, up to 180 million tons.
                For he himself was unable to provide himself with grain.

                In the period you indicated, the USSR, with a population of 7% of the world, produced wheat for 24% of the world level. Domestically, if you take, the population grew by 32%, and the harvest of wheat by 55%. When you understand the concept of food security of the state, you will understand the motives for purchases - you have already been given figures on how much grain in per capita terms remains in the state now and how much was left before.
                In the Russian Federation, the yield is 30 / ha, in the USSR the highest is 15-19,9 c / ha.

                In the Russian Federation, the grain yield began to grow after 2010, in 2000-2010 it fluctuated exactly in the same interval of 15-20 c / ha. I don't consider the period up to 2000 tactfully. There is nothing supernatural in this, if you make a schedule for increasing yields and the amount of fertilizers per unit area, you will see that they are like a blueprint for all countries.
              3. Olgovich
                Olgovich 26 January 2021 22: 40
                -2
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                In the period indicated by you, the USSR, with a population of 7% of the world, produced wheat 24% of the world level.

                There is nothing to eat but bread, yes.
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                you will understand the motives of purchases

                There is only one motive: we COULD NOT grow ourselves. And they spent CURRENCY on the purchase of what they did not learn to grow at home.

                Shame ....
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                In the Russian Federation, the grain yield began to grow after 2010, in 2000-2010 it fluctuated exactly in the same interval of 15-20 c / ha. I don't consider the period up to 2000 tactfully. There is nothing supernatural in this, if you make a schedule for increasing yields and the amount of fertilizers per unit area, you will see that they are like a blueprint for all countries.
                Nope, the yield in the RSFSR was 15,9 Hz in 1985 * 1990, this is higher in the USSR.

                And today in of Russia TWO TIMES higher.

                For today, not like in the RSFSR - where it was absolutely for everyone and a third of the harvest was lost in the mud, storage, etc., etc.
              4. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 27 January 2021 17: 43
                0
                There is nothing to eat but bread, yes.

                This phrase contains all your "objectivity and impartiality" at a glance, Andrey. Did you chew one piece of bread in the 60s and 70s?
                There is only one motive: we COULD NOT grow ourselves. And they spent CURRENCY on the purchase of what they did not learn to grow at home.
                Nope, the yield in the RSFSR was 15,9 Hz in 1985 * 1990, this is higher in the USSR.
                And today in Russia it is TWO TIMES higher.

                The difference of 30 years does not matter for you. Well, a balanced approach. And what is "2 times higher" achieved in a very dubious way, when quality turned into quantity you do not know.
                God, Andrey, you are again arguing about what you have no idea about.
                Let's look at a simple thing. In 2018, 72,1 million tons of wheat were harvested in the Russian Federation, 44 million tons were exported. This means that for every Russian there is 194 kg of wheat left for a year. In the USSR in 1987, there were 298 kg of wheat per inhabitant. Doesn't it seem strange to you that with more grain per person, the state considers this amount insufficient and resorts to import? I'll explain why. It's all about two things - nitrogen balance and GOST. Wheat itself is not a final product; the final product for humans is bread. And the quality of bread is normalized by the standard, flour should contain 25-30% gluten, the quality of the dough directly depends on this. In the grain, on average, it contained 21-22% (in the USSR, only the south of Ukraine, some regions on the Don, a little the Baltic and the Caucasus gave grain with a gluten content of up to 36%). Therefore, we bought additional flour abroad, so that it was possible to bake bread that meets GOST, making milking mixtures in mills with higher class grain. Moving on to the nitrogen balance. The amount of gluten in a grain depends on the amount of nitrogen taken up by the plant. With a yield of 15 kg / ha, plants take 45 kg of nitrogen from a hectare. The protein content in the nucleus is about 15%. In order to obtain a grain of the same amount of protein with a yield of 30 c / ha, plants need to get 100 kg of nitrogen from the soil, for a yield of 60 c / ha already 220 kg of nitrogen. In the breeding center of the Don Research Institute of Agriculture, all the time of its existence, the dynamics of yields and protein content in Don wheat grains from 1884 to 1982 was compiled and supplemented. In short, the yield of these varieties increased due to selection from 6,4 c / ha to 23 c / ha. But at the same time, the protein content in the grain fell from 18% to 11%. For the consistency of the result, it is necessary to link three components - plant genetics, climatic characteristics, agrochemistry. Otherwise, the more highly productive varieties produce the poorer quality grain. This is exactly what is observed now, since on average 60-70 kg of nitrogen with fertilizers is applied per hectare of soil (less than 2010 until 40). Instead of the required 120-160 for the current varieties. Therefore, the quality of Russian wheat for baking purposes is worse, with a higher yield. If in the 80s in the RSFSR wheat of the 1st grade was grown stably 400-450 thousand tons, then last year they were delighted when, when checking the TsOKZ, they came across 1,14 thousand tons of wheat of the 1st class. In the annexed Crimea)) Wheat class 2 was 25%, now a tenth of a percent (!!!).
                Do you know how bakers are now solving the problem of low grade wheat flour? Two ways. Next time you buy bread, read the ingredients. See the word gluten. And what it is made of - wheat from grain for technical needs (alcohol), corn, or from office glue - will depend only on the conscience of the manufacturer. Since after the liquidation of the GKHI in 2004, there is no controlling body, the TsOKZ is just standardizing, so that in the conditions of market relations, the elevators do not waste their pretty penny. The second way is marketing. In the form of the newfangled "gluten-free", when, under the guise of taking care of your health, they sell you lower quality bread at a price higher than higher quality bread.
              5. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 January 2021 11: 27
                -1
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                This phrase contains all your "objectivity and impartiality" at a glance, Andrey. Did you chew one piece of bread in the 60s and 70s?

                How much meat did you eat in 60-70?
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                The difference of 30 years does not matter for you.

                Plays, but what about: 1913 and 1956, NO difference in yield.

                Regarding the second part: all this is known.

                BUT! - The USSR completely FAILED in growing durum wheat and bought almost all of it abroad, becoming more and more dependent, paying with hundreds of millions of tons of gold and currency

                But ordinary wheat was also lacking.

                Russia today exports receives grain and currency.
              6. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 28 January 2021 14: 50
                0
                How much meat did you eat in 60-70?

                If I knew that after half a century, my good friend from the Internet forum Andrey would ask me this, I would no doubt have a separate notebook where I would write down every cutlet I ate))
                Particulars are never fully remembered. Of the particulars about meat, only kebabs were postponed every weekend, but this is because every weekend I remember not even meat, but the fact that my father and uncle played chess, and I watched. Meat was not something that caused strong emotions, meat and meat, especially when the grandmothers of the grandfathers were village. Stable pre-school breakfast with fried boiled eggs and tea with butter sandwich. For some reason, I am more impressed by the fact that every day for lunch at a technical school, and then at a university, I took a glass of sour cream in the dining room to the main courses. Here in my memory, these scattering with batteries of glasses still stand as in reality))
                BUT! - The USSR completely FAILED in growing durum wheat and bought almost all of it abroad, becoming more and more dependent, paying with hundreds of millions of tons of gold and currency

                Wow, hundreds of millions of tons of gold))
                Do you think it failed? Why?
                The problem of growing durum wheat is a strong dependence on the weather, in our climate it is unrealistic to achieve good indicators. It's like complaining that we can't grow bananas. Durum wheat accounts for only 9% of the global production of wheat for a reason.
                In the USSR, durum wheat (mainly durum) was harvested in the 60s 4,5 million tons, in the 80s 8,5 million tons. But, of course, they could not raise the yield only due to the area. More precisely, the genetic level was raised, but it did not work out to achieve it on non-laboratory plots.
                Can you prove that before the USSR or after the USSR it was grown or is grown more in the same territory? Well, try it ))
                But ordinary wheat was also lacking.

                Andrey, now, too, there would be not enough wheat, if there were 52 million heads of cattle, and not 18.
                Russia today exports grain and receives foreign currency.

                There is no choice, such a structure of foreign trade has developed. There is no demand for anything else. After all, everyone is cunning when, when talking about export, they talk about natural rather than monetary indicators. Grain with its $ 10,5 billion is 2,3% of the amount received from exports. Zilch.
              7. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 January 2021 18: 02
                -1
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                ... Meat was not something that caused strong emotions, meat and meat, especially when the grandmothers of the grandfathers were village

                at mine in the village I ate meat if once a week.
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                The problem of growing durum wheat is a strong dependence on the weather, in our climate it is unrealistic to achieve good indicators.

                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Andrey, now, too, there would be not enough wheat, if there were 52 million heads of cattle, and not 18.

                In Russia in 1916 there were 58 million cattle and there was enough feed.

                But in the USSR, there was not enough for 52 million ... 50% of feed.
              8. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 29 January 2021 11: 43
                0
                In Russia in 1916 there were 58 million cattle

                Is your source bash_m_ak again? )))
                But in the USSR, there was not enough for 52 million ..

                52 - this is 1992, our beef is already massively floated abroad, in the 80s - 58-59 million. And yes, the average milk yield and weight gain is 2-2,6 times greater than in 1916 suggest a more abundant fattening.
                at mine in the village I ate meat if once a week.

                Once ate or cooked once - this will be the difference in the perception of what is said and the fact. The devil is in the details.
              9. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 29 January 2021 14: 31
                0
                In Russia in 1916 there were 58 million cattle and there was enough feed.
                But in the USSR, there was not enough for 52 million ... 50% of feed.

                Don't confuse me. Not in the USSR 52 million, but in the RSFSR - 52 million, I compared it with the Russian Federation.
                In the USSR there were 120 million head of cattle.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 25 January 2021 12: 46
    +5
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The communists-perestroika-anti-Soviets inherited from the friends of the communists - the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fell ill with an ineffective economy

    Yes, there were shortcomings in the economy of the USSR. But the dependence of the USSR budget on oil and gas by 8%, you think, is not an efficient economy. And the dependence of the Russian Federation by 40% is the greatest achievement of modern managers. It's funny!
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 January 2021 13: 00
      0
      So the Grain depended on oil - the most important thing))
    2. WIKI
      WIKI 25 January 2021 14: 25
      +2
      Maybe there was a greater dependence of technology and equipment?
      Import 1986:
      Power equipment, 540 million rubles
      Electrical equipment - 988
      Equipment for the food industry 700 million rubles.
      Equipment for the chemical industry 865
      Wheat -1900 million rubles
      Agricultural machines - 1240 million rubles.
      https://istmat.info/node/9321
      Did the USSR trade in oil alone? "In 1986, there was a sharp drop in world oil prices - the USSR received only 5 billion foreign currency rubles for the export of oil and oil products instead of the previous 10-12 billion rubles a year. At the same time, the total amount of exports in the country in 1986 amounted to 68,3 billion rubles. That is, the volume of oil sales turned out to be slightly higher than 7% of the volume of all exported goods, in the best years it reached 15%. " https://finance.rambler.ru/economics/37357841/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 January 2021 14: 52
      0
      So oil was bartered for Grain
      Foreign currency rubles were of interest only to the CMEA countries
      The food was for hard currency or raw materials
  • depressant
    depressant 25 January 2021 15: 41
    +8
    Albert, if I'm not mistaken, are you a lawyer? Have you read Law N494-FZ of December 30, 2020? Thunderous criticism of this law is already going on on the network, the network is already boiling, and in the VO and in the central press, we are still being distracted by Navalny. The meaning of the law is that from January 1, 2021, all Russian citizens are deprived of their right to real estate under any far-fetched pretext, which in general qualifies as "improper maintenance of housing." For the purpose of efficient use of the territory - just think! You ask, useful. And if in the previous 30 years the Soviet industry was killed, then on this day, I mean January 1, 2021, the final finishing off of the USSR took place by depriving citizens of the right to albeit inferior, but residential property. It can be taken away from you by any passer-by-passing official with payment of the cost according to the BTI passport, that is, for a penny.
    This is an important problem!
    And then Navalny, Navalny ...
    .
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 January 2021 16: 01
    +1
    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, hello! hi I? Razgildyay ordinary with the formation of three classes, five corridors. I heard something. Only this is taken away for municipal needs, EMNIP.
  • depressant
    depressant 25 January 2021 18: 27
    +3
    For municipal needs ...
    That same Navalny, for whom thousands of citizens have now gone out to fight with the authorities, for some reason did not lead the country to mass rallies on the occasion of the upcoming pension reform, such that with their menacing numbers could block it. And then the people did not wait for their leaders, the authorities crushed them all in time. So we got a pension reform that is unacceptable for our population, which does not suffer from longevity and the prospects of a happy, prosperous old age.
    The housing law is much worse than the pension reform. It touches everyone and everyone. He's dangerous. Taking into account the shark appetite and the same morality and mental capabilities of our bureaucracy, the law can make hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people unhappy.
    I would like a separate article to be devoted to this law at VO. About how the authorities are going to abandon all of us with housing, making us homeless.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 January 2021 18: 29
    +3
    It is necessary to read the law and really listen to the opinion of a lawyer specializing in real estate
  • depressant
    depressant 25 January 2021 18: 39
    +2
    Albert, I highly recommend it! There, the deputies were against the amendments to this law. But the EP, you know, is in the majority. There is a huge number of amendments to the previous law for each article. To understand them, you need to know the law thoroughly. It is unlikely that any of us will master it. But experts have already studied these amendments, sorted it out, were horrified and gave their reviews, read them.
    And the fact that lawlessness with housing and land is already in full swing, people testify, there is a lot of responses, and we slept through it.
  • Vlad world
    Vlad world 25 January 2021 09: 24
    +1
    RF if you do not know sells tens of millions of tons of grain. Therefore, she did not budge. 3rd place in the world in 2008. And the USSR, if you forgot, I bought millions of tons of grain. There was nothing to buy.
    How is it that Gorbachev is an anti-Soviet government - an ardent communist with great party experience and you are an anti-Soviet government.
    Just don't talk about betrayal. Otherwise, it turns out that the government has betrayed its power.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 25 January 2021 12: 39
    +1
    Quote: tatra
    USSR sat on an oil needle

    The dependence of the USSR budget on oil and gas by 8%, you consider a "needle". And 48% of Russia's dependence in 2008 is not a "needle". You don't have to graduate from universities to understand the non-objectivity of your conclusions.
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 25 January 2021 07: 17
    +2
    And why then, under Soviet rule, the world economic crises did not affect Russia / USSR in any way

    To answer this question, try to remember WHAT was at the heart of the Soviet economy. The hint is the planning system.
    we didn't even know about them, like the price of oil

    those who were supposed to know it perfectly knew. The USSR was heavily dependent on imports and exports
    And if people WANT to do something, they do it, and do not blame others.

    as there is a reason to dump. Since the 90s not only destroyed the economy, but also formed a whole class of entrepreneurs-traders. Who are ready to sell anything, but they don't know how to produce and don't want to
    for the vaunted "market economy" created by the enemies of the communists in 20 years

    yes, of course. The founders of the "market economy" were all former party members who had changed their colors in the wake of the arrival of "American democracy." Which they, led by Gorbachev, brought to us
    1. tatra
      tatra 25 January 2021 08: 08
      -1
      And what kind of economy YOU created then, critics of the planned economy, if in the USSR in the 80s imports and exports accounted for a quarter of the country's budget revenues, then in 2019 the budget revenues of the Russian Federation amounted to 304 billion dollars, while exports were -420 billion dollars , imports -245 billion dollars.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 25 January 2021 08: 21
        +10
        And then what kind of economy did YOU create, the critics of the planned economy?

        Well, first of all, I did not criticize the planned economy here. I just said that it is more stable in the face of global crisis phenomena. You just write answers without trying to think about what exactly you are answering laughing
        secondly, now about the disadvantages of this economy - it is very inert and clumsy. It is not effective in terms of modernization, since self-improvement algorithms are not wired into it.
        thirdly, during the Soviet era, imports and exports made up a significant share in the state's economy. And it’s ridiculous not to feel the impact of volatility on world markets. laughing
        just ordinary citizens of the USSR did not feel it directly. Because there was no direct relationship and inflation was latent.
        1. tatra
          tatra 25 January 2021 08: 29
          -1
          The enemies of the communists are predictable and identical as a blueprint. If you compare ANY fact from the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, the Russian Federation, they will all rush to be malignant against everything Soviet. When I compared the USSR and the Russian Federation above, I already knew that the enemies of the Communists would "forget" about the Russian Federation, and selflessly rush to criticize the USSR. This already looks like paranoia.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 25 January 2021 08: 40
            +9
            firstly, I am not an enemy of the communists. I'm just saying that such a powerful state as the USSR was destroyed by the communists. And then these same persons, who had deserted themselves as democrats, began to build a capitalist state on the ruins of the USSR. In the 90s, I saw how the entire top of the regional committee of the CPSU migrated to not the house managers. In the director and owners of factories and banks. Therefore, there is no need to mold enemies here.
            Secondly, the USSR had many glorious pages. But there are also many scary and insane. Both the first and the last were performed by members of the same organization. Only for some reason you like them see only pink ponies.
      2. BAI
        BAI 25 January 2021 12: 13
        +2
        planned economy critics

        The argument is unfortunate. I support your enthusiasm, but you got excited.
        Some of the founders of Marxism (Lenin was not yet in politics) in the 19th century said:
        "If the state takes care of how many pants a citizen needs to have and how many buttons a citizen needs to wear, the citizens of the state will be left without pants and without buttons."
        Unfortunately, this phrase was very well forgotten.
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 25 January 2021 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: tatra
        And then what kind of economy did YOU create, the critics of the planned economy?

        first, the Bolsheviks, in order to get out of the tailspin of devastation and collapse, created the NEP (
        NEP or NEP) is an economic policy pursued in the 1920s in Soviet Russia and the USSR. Adopted on March 14, 1921 by the X Congress of the RCP (b), replacing the policy of "war communism" pursued during the Civil War and the intervention that led Soviet Russia to economic decline.
        .) And then there was the rest. Huh? wink
  • region58
    region58 25 January 2021 07: 22
    +2
    Quote: tatra
    the world economic crises did not affect Russia / the USSR in any way, we did not even know about them, as well as about the price of oil

    But how to say ... Oil and gas were then sold for the cordon. Do you think that the collapse of oil prices in the eighties did not affect life in the USSR in any way?
    Quote: tatra
    the enemies of the communists

    Stop it. What are the enemies of the communists? They were called communists when they were in the USSR. The name is not the point.
    Quote: tatra
    Why then

    You can, of course, take the shortcut: declare a "shock construction", equip and close the border tightly, build plants and factories from scratch - there is work for everyone. But you'll have to tighten your belts very tightly. Up to work for food. It is unlikely that anyone will like this ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 25 January 2021 08: 11
      -2
      And why do I need your senseless verbiage with the 30-year-old ideology of the enemies of the Communists and your Yeltsin-Putin government imposed on you and the Russian people by your Yeltsin-Putin government "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame." And how to get your big and huge incomes and salaries, because of which all of you and "and now are better than in the USSR under the communists", all of you "have to do with it."
      Not once did not one of the enemies of the Communists object to me about the essence of my comment, they always lead the conversation to another topic, when you write about them and the RF created by them, they “turn the arrows” to the Communists and the USSR.
      1. region58
        region58 25 January 2021 08: 39
        +3
        Quote: tatra
        And why do I need it

        Excuse me, I don't know how to use slogans ... But can I ask you a question? Who are these very "enemies of the communists"? And, oh horror, weren't they a part of the party before?
        Quote: tatra
        better now than in the USSR under the communists

        Never and nowhere did I say that it was worse in the USSR. Moreover, it is the USSR that I owe everything to the way I live now, from upbringing and education, both general and special. But precisely because I come from there, I perfectly see both the disadvantages and advantages of the times, both those and today.
        PS I repeat once again: this is a question of terminology - have you seen a lot of people calling themselves communists, who in fact correspond to the meaning of this word? I am, so little. Very few. And not in leadership positions ...
        1. tatra
          tatra 25 January 2021 09: 01
          -3
          Ha, YES, the enemies of the communists go into hysterics when they call you that, trying to pretend that you are not yourself, while you vying with each other assert that there are no communists, well, if there are no communists, therefore, there are no supporters of communists. You don't have anyone at all. I cannot answer such long comments, too many enemies of the communists answer me, and not one of them is like a real opponent to me. The enemies of the communists for their country and people have only AGAINST, nothing and no one FOR you for your country and people for all 103 Soviet and post-Soviet periods.
          1. region58
            region58 25 January 2021 11: 23
            +1
            Quote: tatra
            I cannot answer such long comments, too many enemies of the communists answer me

            And you are not in a hurry, think, maybe they are not enemies at all? At least maybe not everything is wholesale ...
            Quote: tatra
            and not one of them - as a real opponent to me

            ... we, Nicholas II ... Again, think about it, maybe it's not worth everyone in a crowd ...
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 25 January 2021 19: 03
            +1
            Quote: tatra
            I cannot reply to such long comments too many enemies of the communists answer me,and not one of them - as a real opponent to me

            there is simply nothing to say to the Tatra, that's all. only one worn out phrase about "enemies of the communists". laughing
      2. Keer
        Keer 25 January 2021 08: 51
        +14
        Here are the Communists, their thoughts are pure,
        And who is against them - the Enemies of the Communists,
        Ah, behold, Communists Whose Thoughts Are Unclean,
        They are obviously the Enemies of the Communists,
        And, behold, the Enemies of Such Communists,
        Such Communists Whose Thoughts Are Unclean,
        (Who are themselves the Enemies of the Communists),
        They are, of course, the Enemies of the Communists,
        And, behold, the Communists, Whose Thoughts are Pure,
        They are the Enemies of the Enemies of the Communists,
        Such Communists, Whose Thoughts Are Unclean,
        (Who Are Themselves The Enemies Of The Communists),
        It turns out that they are also Enemies of the Communists.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 January 2021 09: 09
          +9
          Quote: Keer
          Here are the Communists, their thoughts are pure,
          And who is against them - the Enemies of the Communists,
          Ah, behold, Communists Whose Thoughts Are Unclean,
          They are obviously the Enemies of the Communists,
          And, behold, the Enemies of Such Communists,
          Such Communists Whose Thoughts Are Unclean,
          (Who are themselves the Enemies of the Communists),
          They are, of course, the Enemies of the Communists,
          And, behold, the Communists, Whose Thoughts are Pure,
          They are the Enemies of the Enemies of the Communists,
          Such Communists, Whose Thoughts Are Unclean,
          (Who Are Themselves The Enemies Of The Communists),
          It turns out that they are also Enemies of the Communists.

          The enemies of the communists from among the communists, who pretended to be communists, but in fact were the enemies of the communists, were formally members of the communist party, but in reality they were not in essence. Because became enemies of the communists and, in principle, were born as such.
          So there is nothing to complicate here negative ))
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 25 January 2021 19: 05
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            The enemies of the communists from among the communists, who pretended to be communists, but in fact were the enemies of the communists, were formally members of the communist party, but in reality they were not in essence. Because became enemies of the communists and, in principle, were born as such.
            So there is nothing to complicate here

            good laughing
      3. nils
        nils 25 January 2021 08: 53
        +6
        Quote: tatra
        "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame"


        Putin congratulates "human rights activist" L. Alekseeva on her birthday.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 25 January 2021 11: 34
          -1
          Quote: nils
          Putin congratulates "human rights activist" L. Alekseeva on her birthday
          Half a glass of the "newbie" poured her and looks slyly.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 25 January 2021 07: 33
    +2
    Quote: tatra
    And why then, under Soviet rule, the world economic crises did not affect Russia / the USSR in any way, we did not even know about them, as well as about the price of oil

    You have probably forgotten that you came to the problems of the 90s through the economic failure of the 70s and 80s. And you are being disingenuous when you say that under the Soviet regime they did not know about oil prices. It was in the 70s that the USSR sat down on the oil needle on which Russia sits today. And, perhaps, I will repeat myself, but the main enemies of the communists are the communists themselves.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 25 January 2021 10: 11
      -1
      Quote: Hagen
      You have probably forgotten that you came to the problems of the 90s through the economic failure of the 70s and 80s.

      Khrushchev began to buy bread in large quantities abroad, and in total over twenty yearstons of "successful" development, by the middle of 1980 grain purchases from 1963 increased TWENTY times! For currency.

      And all the same, the shortage of fodder in the cattle breeding of the RSFSR was ... 50%, and a third of the cattle herd died from ... exhaustion.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 25 January 2021 19: 11
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        Khrushchev started buying bread in large quantities abroad.

        You are lying again, Olgovich. Khrushchev did not buy bread abroad. They bought feed grain, selling high-tech products. Today, on the contrary, we export feed grain and buy high-tech products.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 25 January 2021 19: 39
          -2
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          You are lying again, Olgovich. Khrushchev did not buy bread abroad.

          Again your ignorance: I bought it, and how: in 1963 to cover grain deficit Khrushchev decided to buy grain from the West.

          In September, a delegation was sent to Canada to purchase grain. A delegation led by Deputy Foreign Trade Minister Borisov was instructed to explain the shortage FOOD grain by skewing the crop balance in favor of stern cultures
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          We bought feed grain by selling high-tech products.

          lol In total, in 1963, the USSR purchased about 12 million tons of grain, mainly Canadian. Almost all foreign exchange reserves and a significant portion of gold.- "high" technologies, yes .... lol
          And yes, for bread: The word bread is often called agricultural crops (wheat, rye, barley and others). And read for yourself what a feed grain is.
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Today, on the contrary, we export feed grain

          Today the grain yield is TWO times higher than in the USSR.
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          we buy high-tech products.

          The share of raw materials in imports to the USSR increased from 26% to 54% in 1985 and continues to grow.

          And "high quality" owls. bread: started in 1963 shortage of bread, limiting its sale and adding other crops to it, in particular peas.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 January 2021 19: 51
            -2
            Quote: Olgovich
            Again your ignorance: I bought it, and how: in 1963 ......

            You are links to documents, please provide. Or should the gentlemen take their word for it? Only do not quote the magazine "Ogonyok", please.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Almost all foreign exchange reserves and a significant part of gold were spent on it. - "high" technologies, yes

            Quote: Olgovich
            In September, a delegation was sent to Canada to purchase grain. The delegation led by Deputy Foreign Trade Minister Borisov was instructed to explain the shortage of FOOD grain by skewing the crop balance in favor of forage crops

            At least for this.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 26 January 2021 10: 15
            -3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            You are links to documents, please provide. Or should the gentlemen take their word for it?

            1. AND WHERE do they have .... you, huh? lol

            2. If you do not know that the USSR imported a wild amount of food (not only grain), then you have nothing to talk about.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            At least for this.

            Alferov Zh.I. Agricultural disaster of 1963
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 10: 20
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            2. If you do not know that the USSR imported a wild amount of food (not only grain), then you have nothing to talk about.

            He bought brooms and vodka in Vietnam, probably because he could not do it himself? Sometimes you read you and you are incomprehensibly delusional.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Alferov Zh.I. Agricultural disaster of 1963

            I do, of course, but most likely there will be about Khrushchev's mistakes, and not about some kind of systemic crisis.
          4. Olgovich
            Olgovich 26 January 2021 10: 26
            -3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            He bought brooms and vodka in Vietnam, probably because he could not do it himself? Sometimes you read you and you are incomprehensibly delusional

            Hack it on your forehead: the USSR bought a huge amount of grain, grain products, meat, butter and sunflower oil, because it turned out to be UNSUFFICIENT to provide itself with basic food
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            I do, of course, but most likely there will be about Khrushchev's mistakes, and not about some kind of systemic crisis.

            Learn the meaning of the word "disaster"
          5. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 January 2021 10: 37
            -1
            Quote: Olgovich
            Hack it on your forehead: the USSR bought a huge amount of grain, grain products, meat, butter and sunflower oil, because it turned out to be UNSUFFICIENT to provide itself with basic food

            There was a program like "A good storyteller tells" You are not a good storyteller)))))
            Quote: Olgovich
            I do, of course, but most likely there will be about Khrushchev's mistakes, and not about some kind of systemic crisis.

            Learn the meaning of the word "disaster"

            Did the catastrophe of 1941 show the failure of the Soviet system? You already quite fool
          6. Olgovich
            Olgovich 26 January 2021 20: 42
            -3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            There was a program like "A good storyteller tells" You are not a good storyteller)))))

            These are FACTS, ignoramus
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Did the catastrophe of 1941 show the failure of the Soviet system? You already quite

            1 it was about a food disaster in 1963

            2. The loss of the Second World War is not a disaster? fool

            The failure of the system is in permanent HUNGER and the inability to even self-commend.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 25 January 2021 08: 48
    +2
    Quote: region58
    Do not find a contradiction: the world crisis, and Russia is part of the world, why does this crisis affect everyone, but shouldn't it?
    And yet, I'm not even close to an economist, but I see that many processes last for years and decades, and there may not be a momentary solution.

    Karaulov has a video about this as one of the thousand reasons for the "duration" of the processes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGClIUbjnAE&t=5s
    I am not a supporter of this browser, but nevertheless the problem is. At the same time, in order to solve this problem, it is necessary to change the legislation, but how to do it, if they are already openly talking about the elections of only one "one-speaker", it is necessary to spend from 30 to 60 million rubles. That is, only representatives of the ruling class can get into the legislative body, there is no smell of "proletarians" there, or there is such a scanty number of them that they cannot influence the laws of the interested parties lobbied.
    Now I would like to ask, who invented this electoral system and why our "guardians for the country", for 20 years, did not want to change this system?
    Is it because they represent the interests of the ruling class of world capital, and not their own population?
    If we proceed from this point of view, then yes, we will wait hundreds of years for "improvement", as in the Mongol yoke. wink
    1. region58
      region58 25 January 2021 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      legislation needs to be changed, but how to do it

      But this is a question of questions. Intuition dictates that one should start with lower-level elections, but I don't know how it will look in reality. There are probably many subtleties unknown to me.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 25 January 2021 09: 05
        +2
        Quote: region58
        But this is a question of questions.

        There are no questions here. Under the capitalist system and the ruling class of the bourgeoisie at the helm, it is pointless to expect anything else.
        1. region58
          region58 25 January 2021 11: 31
          +1
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          There are no questions here.

          Well, these are slogans again. Do you know the procedure for nominating a candidate? So that in detail and understandable? The question is: "how to do it in the current situation"?
          1. Revival
            Revival 25 January 2021 13: 52
            +2
            The law prohibits the answer to this question.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 25 January 2021 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      That is, only representatives of the ruling class can get into the legislative body, there is no smell of "proletarians" there, or there is such a scanty number of them that they cannot influence the laws of the interested parties lobbied.

      The practice of life shows that even those proletarians who manage to get into the bodies of power very quickly become bureaucratic and become approximately the same as the average mass of other representatives of the bodies of power, losing their working connection with the past environment. And then - according to Marx .... This is the nature of man. And until it evolves into something else, the nature of the relationship of power to the dominant majority will not change. Humanity still needs to grow up to asceticism.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 25 January 2021 10: 46
        +4
        Quote: Hagen
        Life practice shows that even those proletarians who manage to get into the bodies of power very quickly become bureaucratic and become about the same as the average mass of other representatives of the bodies of power, losing their working connection with the past environment.

        Well, the current system has created all the conditions for this phenomenon. wink hi
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 25 January 2021 11: 14
          0
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Well, the current system has created all the conditions for this phenomenon.

          And we at one time in one way or another created this "current system". Or do you want to assure that you are not involved in anything? Or did not the Soviet people strive to build cooperatives and then trade products on market conditions? Maybe in the markets under Soviet rule, the prices for food were the same as in stores? In this aspect, all of us people equally want to live at the lowest cost in the most comfortable and secure conditions. The only difference is that we have different abilities to obtain this comfort and prosperity. Man is material by nature. And there's nothing you can do about it ...
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 25 January 2021 13: 15
            +4
            Quote: Hagen
            Man is material by nature. And there's nothing you can do about it ...

            How to say. It all depends on the idea as a goal in the life of society. The Soviet government was just trying to create a new person, immune to the bourgeoisie as a relic of the past, how productive such a policy was is another question, but you will not deny that there were such people, and even now it is very rare, but they are encountered. As an example, Grigory Yakovlevich Perelman.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 25 January 2021 13: 57
              -1
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              As an example, Grigory Yakovlevich Perelman.

              Such rare exceptions only confirm the general rule.
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              The Soviet government was just trying to create a new person, immune to philistinism as a relic of the past, how productive such a policy was is another question,

              Here you are very close to the truth. The productivity of those attempts was, frankly, not very ... Yes, the tasks themselves were set in this way only because the country's economy was not ready for more security. And in the end, this attempt failed, the community "Soviet people", which was proclaimed by the last constitution of the USSR, melted away like a myth in some 10-15 years (a moment in the life of the state).
            2. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 25 January 2021 14: 28
              +2
              Quote: Hagen
              And in the end this attempt failed, the community "Soviet people", which was proclaimed by the last constitution of the USSR, melted away like a myth.

              I will remain unconvinced. The 1991 referendum showed the commonality of the Soviet people, and even now, despite the constant pouring of slops from the Soviet period, starting with the Guarantor and ending with bloggers like Dudya or Varlamov and Svanidze, according to polls by the same enemy Levada Center, 67% of the population surveyed support the socialist path of development of the State. 10% of those who voted in the referendum is all who managed to be brainwashed by market relations in 35 years? Great achievement, you won’t say anything.
          2. region58
            region58 25 January 2021 16: 52
            +2
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            The Soviet government was just trying to create a new person

            How much I reflect on this all the time I come to one conclusion - it looks like the USSR was ahead of its time. Strongly ahead. Plus a huge number of ideological people (I think about them Tatra writes, because "communists - forward" was not an empty phrase at that time), two wars were knocked out - Civil and Patriotic.
            Quote: Hagen
            the country's economy was not ready for more security.

            Maybe the wrong tasks were set? If we recall the NEP and the Stalinist artels, they could.
          3. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 25 January 2021 17: 47
            0
            Quote: region58
            Maybe the wrong tasks were set? If we recall the NEP and the Stalinist artels, they could.

            The tasks were set optimally possible at that time, you do not take into account the foreign policy situation at that time. Although all the time of its existence, the USSR was under any sanctions of the world's "partners", plus the containment of the NATO bloc around the world, and this is an expense, including for the numerous "friends" of the USSR, who provided their territories for our bases. Maybe the Americans, unlike the USSR, did not feed pocket regimes, no? wink
            Was there an alternative to all this? Of course. It was used by the labeled "combine" & Company.
            It's better now, there are no sanctions from "partner friends"? lol How was Nord Stream 2 completed there?
          4. region58
            region58 25 January 2021 19: 14
            +2
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            you do not consider

            You can't put much in a few sentences, here you need to persuade more than one "glass of tea" together to discuss all facets of our history and modernity ...
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 25 January 2021 19: 46
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      Or did not the Soviet people strive to build cooperatives and then trade products on market conditions?

      You see, under Stalin there were artels, cooperatives, and individual farmers, but there was a different attitude to private ownership of the means of production. Gorbachev fulfilled the aspirations of the part of the party bureaucracy that wanted to have the means of production in their hands.
      Quote: Hagen
      The only difference is that we have different abilities to obtain this comfort and prosperity. Man is material by nature.

      From each according to his ability - to each according to his work. Why is the principle bad?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 25 January 2021 20: 08
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        You see, under Stalin there were artels, cooperatives, and individual farmers, but there was a different attitude towards private ownership of the means of production.

        A different attitude to private ownership of funds ..... compared to what? Or by whom? Note that the artel was the owner of their operating systems, and the individual farmer too. Those. on a small scale, almost analogous to today's small business, sprouts of private ownership of joint ventures became possible. But starting with Khrushchev, all these undertakings were eliminated. Kosygin tried to reform the skewed economy, but failed without allies. Thus, the party elite, having taken the reins of governing the Union into their sole hands, led it into a dead end. Gorbachev got a country already in deep crisis. Both economically and politically. By 1985, few people believed in what was said from the party rostrum. Double standards and widespread lies have disintegrated both the party masses and the active population .. All this, together with impotent people in the country's leadership, made the collapse of the Union inevitable. At that time, China was watching our attempts and subsequently carried out reforms on the model of Kosygin and Stalin and got a kind of hybrid of "capitalist socialism". This is if it's very short ...
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 25 January 2021 20: 17
        0
        Quote: Hagen
        A different attitude to private ownership of funds ...

        It meant such particulars as the prohibition to hire workers. That is, all OS were those who worked on them. On the whole, I agree with your comment, only I believe that at first everything was done by the party elite in order to become irreplaceable, and later, in order to also get public property in their pockets.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 26 January 2021 11: 33
        0
        The Chinese carried out reforms initiated by Dan rather according to the precepts of Bukharin, whose ideas are highly respected in the PRC. Despite their respect for Stalin, the leaders of the CPC never took seriously the accusations against Bukharin regarding his participation in espionage, conspiracy against the state, etc. By the way, they also consider Trotsky a great revolutionary. And in recent years, purely market reforms have been carried out there, which have no special relationship to socialism. Hua Guofeng wanted to introduce the Stalinist-Kosygin methods, to use your terminology, but he was defeated in the inner-party struggle, and Deng's line prevailed.
      4. Hagen
        Hagen 26 January 2021 12: 10
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        The Chinese reforms initiated by Dan were carried out rather according to the precepts of Bukharin

        The question is debatable, but it is not so important. The main thing is that the Chinese have realized that sometimes it is useful to change their attitude to dogmas. Because today they are alive, and even gain points. Ours ossified within the ideological framework, and the Great Soviet country died. This is the point.
  • region58
    region58 25 January 2021 11: 37
    -1
    Quote: Hagen
    This is the nature of man.

    Vooot ... And I'm talking about the same thing, only from afar. And I am more than sure that 99% of those voting for justice and equality here, give them power, they will sing other songs. Because the concept of justice will change.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 25 January 2021 11: 44
      -1
      Quote: region58
      already other songs will sing.

      Well, they certainly won't reduce their wages to the required minimum. laughing
  • sniperino
    sniperino 25 January 2021 12: 02
    -1
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    who invented this electoral system
    Ancient Greeks.
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Why did our "guardians of the country", for 20 years, never want to change this system?
    And in the USSR, too, nothing, and in general for two and a half thousand years the nuances changed, but they could not come up with anything fundamentally new. Either it is necessary to refuse altogether, or to divide the country into city-states the size of ancient Athens, where all citizens know each other and can fit in one square. In this format of direct democracy, its effectiveness can be higher. There is an option to create a complete digital dossier for each candidate in the public domain. Maybe it will be implemented and something will give us in this regard.
  • BAI
    BAI 25 January 2021 12: 18
    0
    who invented this electoral system

    Nobody came up with anything. It was rewritten according to Western patterns.
    And who are the liberals of the early 90s.
  • Revival
    Revival 25 January 2021 13: 49
    +1
    Uh-huh, why does it not affect all of us, first of all, on the "most patreots" in the same way?
    Until this question is answered, everything else is licimerie
  • Revival
    Revival 25 January 2021 13: 36
    +1
    Well, you won't contradict your minister, the president trusts him:
    "The" fat times "in the Russian economy have passed and a new period is coming, said Finance Minister Anton Siluanov on the air of the Russia 1 TV channel."
    The minister knows and understands more than ordinary people.

    Everyone said the best is about to come, breakthrough, dash, jump.
    And then it turns out that what they climbed out of was "fat time"!
    Have arrived ..
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 05: 53
    +2
    The opposition must be healthy and honest.
    The above is not by definition.
    It's a pity, but juvenile ballbes are not told this in tick-tocks. (((
    Quote: military_cat
    seven years without the prospect of changing the situation for the better is really somehow not very good. Well, I do not insist on my opinion, but I have little idea of ​​people who can support this.
    It is clear that it is not encouraging, but we can compare it with EBNovskie times and with VNAU and even with Syria to draw parallels, but young by definition are confused, and even with messed-up brains.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 25 January 2021 05: 58
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It is clear that it is not happy, but we can compare it with EBNov times and with VNAU

      Ever heard what a "false dilemma" is?

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ложная_дилемма
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 06: 04
        -1
        Quote: military_cat
        Ever heard what a "false dilemma" is?
        You are so smart, can you explain how this false dilemma relates to my comment?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 25 January 2021 09: 36
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          You are so smart, explain how it is false dilemma matches my comment?

          Either Putin, or - obviously the worst option (as in Ukraine, as in the 90s). As if there were no other options at all.

          Such not tricky manipulation is constantly used by confused people to create a feeling of zero alternative to zero.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 09: 40
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            Either Putin, or - obviously the worst option (as in Ukraine, as in the 90s)
            At the moment, exactly so. But the presentation of this as a "false dilemma" is a false dilemma imposed on juvenile boobies without any quotation marks.

            Quote: Stas157
            Such not tricky manipulation is constantly used by confused people to create a feeling of zero alternative to zero.
            This is what I did not immediately see, well, suggest an alternative, a champion of Western freedoms.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 25 January 2021 09: 59
              +3
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Well, suggest an alternative, a champion of Western freedoms.

              And now you are clinging to the same false dilemma. And the option offered by the left, a social or socialist state, is not considered by the confused at all. They either do not notice it, or declare it unreal (as if we did not live in this reality 30 years ago).
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 10: 07
                +1
                Quote: Stas157
                And the option offered by the left, a social or socialist state, is not considered by confusers at all.
                Do not tell fairy tales, it’s another matter, which is largely in words, but there are deeds and I know what I’m talking about, my eldest is in honey. she received it on the budget and for the second year she receives a noticeable stipukha, even some five years ago it was not realistic.
                As for the left, there are no real leaders who can lay claim to the presidency.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 25 January 2021 10: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  As for the left, the real ones, who can claim the presidency, no leaders.

                  Another false message is that it is impossible to find a leader in a 140 million country.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 10: 26
                    -3
                    Quote: Stas157
                    there are no leaders.

                    Another false message is that it is impossible to find a leader in a 140 million country.
                    Impudent substitution of meaning! There are no leaders, it does not mean that there cannot be! But now where are they ?! Introduce to the public!
                  2. Stas157
                    Stas157 25 January 2021 10: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    But now where are they ?! Introduce to the public!

                    It will never be with you, except for the zeroed one. This has long been known))
                  3. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 11: 12
                    -7
                    Quote: Stas157
                    It will never be with you, except for the zeroed one. This has long been known))
                    And a demagogue like you is still broadcasting something about a "false dilemma", there is no name for a specific person. By the way, did you personally run to a rally in support of Navalner or so, a provocateur from the couch?
                2. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 25 January 2021 17: 34
                  -4
                  There are leaders, but as soon as they appear, they are instantly reset to prison: Platoshkin, Navalny. By the way, Navalny won 27,2% of the vote in the mayoral elections in Moscow, which scared the naught to death.
                3. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 18: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  There are leaders, but as soon as they appear, they are instantly reset to prison: Platoshkin, Navalny
                  Platoshkin in jail? And who is this, a leader from the Communist Party? I know Grudinin, I voted for him.
                  An interesting choice: Platoshkin (well, he is at least of a pro-socialist orientation) and the inspirer of protests at a distance, the talking head of the National Department and the outspoken rat Navalny, who, surprisingly, has not been able to jail for several years. People are so different in terms of their usefulness for Russia, but for you it seems that it doesn't matter who, if only against Putin. Don't give a damn about the consequences just to throw it off.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 25 January 2021 10: 38
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Don't tell fairy tales still pending

            Let me tell you more - your idol categorically rejects any possibility of creating a social and socialist state in Russia. And the fact that you hold on to it does not add the chances for positive transformations.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 25 January 2021 06: 11
    0
    Nope ... Guys ... Start "talking" with your liberda in a different way yes .
    At least following the example of the PRC with Tien-Anmen ...

    There, too, the "indignant masses" turned to power, "which does not lead there"...

    Suppressed yes good protest, only 23 dead (for various reasons) - AND EVERYTHING!

    Where is China now in terms of progress that "went wrong"?
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 January 2021 06: 29
      +3
      China suppressed the protest, but fulfilled the requirements, they began to shoot corrupt officials!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 January 2021 06: 34
        0
        Quote: Avior
        China suppressed the protest, but fulfilled the requirements, they began to shoot corrupt officials!

        Who is stopping you in Ukraine from doing the same, or at least realizing almost the main slogan of the Maidan - "About the atrocities that should be in prison"?
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 January 2021 06: 57
          +1
          you know the old Soviet anecdote about how he stole spare parts for a meat grinder from the factory, began to assemble, and it turns out a machine gun.
          Recently, it has become especially noticeable that no matter what a person writes about, he still turns to Ukraine.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 January 2021 07: 04
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            you know the old Soviet anecdote about how he stole spare parts for a meat grinder from the factory, began to assemble, and it turns out a machine gun.
            Recently, it has become especially noticeable that no matter what a person writes about, he still turns to Ukraine.

            It would look like an anecdote, if in your comments there were no "constant"pain for the Outskirts"...
            Moreover, not Ukraine is normal, and that misunderstanding, with sympathy, that has existed since 1991 ...
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 January 2021 07: 20
              -3
              maybe you should find some thread about Ukraine and write about your topic there? Or does he involuntarily carry you to this? Or do you all want to fill up Ukraine for some other reason? but that's without me
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 25 January 2021 07: 41
                +1
                Quote: Avior
                maybe you should find some thread about Ukraine and write about your topic there? Or does he involuntarily carry you to this? Or do you all want to fill up Ukraine for some other reason? but that's without me


                "Without you" and those"preoccupied", who supports you?
              2. Insurgent
                Insurgent 25 January 2021 08: 16
                -1
                The request is not for me, but for you, and those like you,"Ukrainianophiles" yes
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              4. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 25 January 2021 17: 38
                -8
                Yes, Ukraine is healthy to you that you are still grinding your teeth.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 January 2021 07: 17
      +4
      Quote: Avior
      China suppressed the protest, but fulfilled the requirements, they began to shoot corrupt officials!

      Or for the sake of permutations or for the sake of squeezing the business they are hoping hi
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 January 2021 07: 22
        -1
        or because of this. But the fact is that the policy of the Chinese leadership towards reform has noticeably changed after the events on the square, and after the beginning of the 90s, China has noticeably accelerated
        hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 January 2021 07: 25
          +1
          Because they were imposed sanctions that did not fit into the new paradigm of the "production site of the capitalist countries." ))
          1. Avior
            Avior 25 January 2021 07: 30
            +1
            and they drew conclusions, immediately corrected themselves, and allowed the country to actively develop for at least three decades
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 January 2021 07: 33
              +2
              Quite right, because:
              a) there was a clear plan for the development of the country;
              b) he was sensible)).
            2. Avior
              Avior 25 January 2021 08: 12
              -1
              the meaningfulness of the plan is finally determined only by practice
            3. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 January 2021 08: 51
              +1
              Well, of course laughing
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 January 2021 13: 33
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quite right, because:
            a) there was a clear plan for the development of the country;
            b) he was sensible)).

            c) planned economy.
            hi Greetings to you fellow countryman.
          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 25 January 2021 13: 35
            +1
            Hello hi
            Rather planned development
        2. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 25 January 2021 17: 39
          -2
          Why is there no sensible plan for the country's development in Russia?
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 January 2021 17: 41
          +1
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Why is there no sensible plan for the country's development in Russia?

          There is. It's just that we're not Chinese, man. We are Russians fellow
        4. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 25 January 2021 18: 18
          -2
          Have a plan? Where is he?
        5. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 January 2021 18: 27
          +2
          Already smoked ... what do you mean? negative
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 26 January 2021 11: 36
    0
    Has noticeably accelerated towards market reforms. But most of the protesters were in favor of political democratization, but at the same time against deepening market reforms. Many considered themselves supporters of Mao's ideas.
    1. Avior
      Avior 26 January 2021 23: 11
      0
      In fact, there were very different people there, sometimes with opposite views.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 26 January 2021 11: 23
    +1
    Even before the protests, corrupt officials were punished in the PRC. We do not advertise the fact that among the protesters in China there were a lot of those who opposed market reforms, against excessive property differentiation. It was not for nothing that Mao's widow, who was imprisoned, supported the protesters.
  • BDRM 667
    BDRM 667 25 January 2021 06: 46
    -19%
    Ta-a-a-a-k ... "Cons" went yes ...

    By their ratio, I will judge the proportions between liberda and the healthy part of Russia.

    Also, EXPERIENCE (a kind of sociology)yes
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 25 January 2021 07: 28
      -6
      Quote: BDRM 667
      Ta-a-a-a-k ... "Cons" went yes ...

      By their ratio, I will judge the proportions between liberda and the healthy part of Russia.

      Also, EXPERIENCE (a kind of sociology)yes


      Judging by the ratio "Minus plus"(at the moment), liberoids predominate on VO at this point in time, in the ratio" 6: 0 "...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 January 2021 07: 54
        +2
        Quote: BDRM 667

        Judging by the "Minus / Plus" ratio (at the moment), liberoids prevail on VO at this point in time, in a "6: 0" ratio ...

        Hope that [b]WHILE [/ b] ("in the morning"), and then expectedly -"the masses wake up " - otherwise you can put a fat cross on Russia ...
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 25 January 2021 08: 41
      +1
      And that I did not understand why such a bunch of cons to you ??
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 25 January 2021 09: 20
        +1
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        And that I did not understand why such a bunch of cons to you ??

        They continue their activities on Internet sites. sad After such oppositionists as Navalny, you begin to respect the good old dissidents who were interested in Lenin's political testament (letters to the Congresses), etc.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 25 January 2021 09: 30
          +5
          Well, yes, handwritten and typewritten samizdat, kitchen disputes, etc., etc., yes, they were higher in terms of education, and they lived modestly))) someone would minus, but I never considered an oppositionist, for me he servant of the "golden calf" for the sake of which he is capable of anything
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 25 January 2021 09: 32
            +6
            Quite right - it is torn to power for the sake of material redistribution in its favor
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 January 2021 11: 34
            +4
            IN TRUE, VERB!
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 January 2021 11: 32
        +4
        "Minuses", between which you can put an equal sign, in the panel, the patterns of judgments
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 25 January 2021 13: 39
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Nope ... Guys ... Start "talking" with your liberda in a different way yes.
    At least following the example of the PRC with Tien-Anmen ...

    When you will already understand that the "liberda" is the Kudrins, Chubais, Grefs and other "best people" who are in power today. And the comparison with "Tien-Anmen" is not logically correct, since the "liberda" is already in power. It would be admissible to compare with "Tien-Anmen" if the State Emergency Committee brought the troops out into the street and dispersed the protesters.
  • Revival
    Revival 25 January 2021 13: 57
    +2
    And what kind of palace and Xi Zen ping, right? Lovely sight
  • sniperino
    sniperino 25 January 2021 12: 27
    0
    Quote: military_cat
    Ever heard what a "false dilemma" is?
    Comparison with our immediate past and with what is happening in Ukraine today could be pulled up to this concept if you brought a missed (i.e. more suitable) opportunity, an alternative for comparison. So what's the real dilemma? Do not torment, open your eyes to the blind, correct the visual axes of the squint.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 25 January 2021 12: 33
      -1
      So what's the real dilemma?
      The true dilemma is the choice between a dilemma and more than two options.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 25 January 2021 12: 37
        0
        Quote: military_cat
        So what's the real dilemma?
        The true dilemma is the choice between a dilemma and more than two options.
        No. Come to retake in the summer, lover of beautiful words.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 25 January 2021 14: 09
          +1
          PS
          Quote: sniperino
          No.
          Let me explain. The choice between the logical form of the dilemma and the number of options is false, because the first premise of this dilemma is to leave it as it is, and the second is how it can be done otherwise. There is no third. The second premise of your opponent contains three options (go back to the 90s, arrange like a / on or start the Syrian version). Leave one - your, most likely from your point of view - option in the second premise of the dilemma, and remove the rest as unlikely. Then you get the true dilemma of two options. Instead, you jump from the logical form (dilemma) to the number of options in the second premise, which does not guarantee a change in the status of this dilemma from false to true.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 25 January 2021 15: 19
            +1
            PPS
            Quote: sniperino
            you jump
            Probably, you do not know another option of how you can do otherwise, but you want to hide your only "option": to drown for N-th, knowing that the majority's choice will be in favor of the first premise - to leave Putin. This, in fact, is the manipulation that you are trying to turn from a sore head to a healthy one. The thief shouts "stop the thief", in short.
  • Revival
    Revival 25 January 2021 13: 56
    +3
    That is, Russia will now forever look "at how it was with ebn, and be content with the fact that now it is 3% better and rejoice.
    Except when compared with a full ...... skirting board, success is imperceptible, only if in comparison with a full bottom?
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 25 January 2021 06: 08
    +12
    Well, some everything is just fine in our country! They get rich, build and rebuild palaces. By a strange coincidence, this is Putin and his friends. But they can, they suffer for Russia. Valya Matvienko's lunches spend 5000 rubles a day from the budget! Imagine how she strains, poor thing, to gobble up half the income of an ordinary pensioner at once: But Aunt Valya does not give up, all for the sake of the Motherland! laughing
    1. Radius
      Radius 25 January 2021 13: 21
      -2
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Well, some Valya Matvienko's lunches spend 5000 rubles a day from the budget! :

      Have you checked her accounts?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 January 2021 13: 41
        0
        Quote: Radius
        Have you checked her accounts?

        Is this a secret?
        Information on the cost of meals for the chairman of the Federation Council was posted on the official public procurement portal on December 12, 2014. Delivery times are from January 1, 2015 to December 31, 2015. The contract amount is 1 million 200 thousand Russian rubles, the source of funding is the federal budget.

        More details: https://www.newsru.com/russia/07aug2015/homnomnom.html
        1. Radius
          Radius 25 January 2021 15: 29
          -2
          Authoritative source! :)
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 25 January 2021 16: 30
        +1
        Quote: Radius
        Quote: Sahalinets
        Well, some Get out for lunch javascript: AddComplaint ('11170605', 'comments') Vali Matvienko is spending 5000 rubles a day from the budget! :

        Have you checked her accounts?
        Secretly, he took a fence of her daily physiological waste. The analysis showed exactly 5000r.
  • Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 25 January 2021 06: 19
    +19
    military_cat
    A steady decline in real disposable income for seven years now, without the prospect of a change for the better, is somehow not very good. Well, I do not insist on my opinion, but I have little idea of ​​people who can support this.
    Kisa, I'm losing weight with you ... laughing Do you think Navalny will come and your income will increase ?! Well, it's not funny already girls ...
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 25 January 2021 06: 47
      +5
      I believe that when an administration changes regularly with subsequent responsibility for its actions (without the ability to use administrative resources, which by that time will pass to the next administration), its incentive for corrupt enrichment is significantly reduced. That is why the turnover of power was invented, and not to replace the less good with the better.

      On the contrary, nothing stimulates corruption enrichment more powerfully than the understanding that you can sit in your place, where you control all law enforcement agencies, as much as you like.
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 25 January 2021 06: 59
        +14
        military_cat
        I believe that when an administration changes regularly with subsequent responsibility for its actions (without the ability to use administrative resources, which by that time will pass to the next administration), its incentive for corrupt enrichment is significantly reduced. That is why the turnover of power was invented, and not to replace the less good with the better.
        Sorry, but this is utter idiocy and fierce delirium, especially in the conditions of Russia and in the conditions of modern capitalism. Don't you really understand that it's not about the names, but about the system itself ?! No matter what surname President Putin, Medvedev, Mishustin or Navalny will wear, the oligarchy and the system itself will not go anywhere on their own. And they certainly will not rush to share money and power with you. If you think differently, then I am sincerely sorry for you.

        IT IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, not Putin personally. And the system can only be changed through a revolution, as in 1917. Are you ready for a new revolution and civil war ?! Personally, I do not, I have two little daughters, I need to raise them. Yes, and the new Lenin and Stalin can not be seen from the word at all, and from your anal revolutionary as a bullet from shit.
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 January 2021 07: 04
          -2
          Do you think that in Russia there is an alternative, if not Putin, then only Navalny? And nothing else?
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 25 January 2021 07: 09
            +20
            Avior (Sergey)
            Do you think that in Russia there is an alternative, if not Putin, then only Navalny? And nothing else?
            Excuse me, can you read at all? Where did I write about an alternative to Putin? I wrote that under the existing system, the name of the president does not matter, is that understandable ?!
            The problem of the anal and other "oppositionists" is that they do not want to change the SYSTEM, they just want to exchange some thieves at the trough for others, and even more hungry, greedy and unprincipled.
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 January 2021 07: 28
              -2
              For some reason you write all the time about Navalny's coming to power, and no one else.
              By the way, he is not a politician at all.
              write that Putin does not need to be changed, but a revolution is needed, but you are against the revolution, for Putin, whom you do not need to be changed, in your opinion, you are doing.

              and as for
              even more hungry, greedy and unprincipled.

              as recently surfaced, the old ones, for which you drown so much, will give a head start to the new ones in this matter.
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 25 January 2021 18: 19
                -2
                And what is Navalny to blame, did he take pensions from the people?
            2. nsm1
              nsm1 25 January 2021 07: 28
              0
              I agree, plus.
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 January 2021 07: 44
            +5
            Quote: Avior
            Do you think that in Russia there is an alternative, if not Putin, then only Navalny? And nothing else?

            Not yet Zelensky yes
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 25 January 2021 15: 16
              +2
              Not yet Zelensky
              Don't waste your time on trifles wassat To discharge Stomakhin from Ukraine, he will arrange such legalization! am After all, in the cock's corner the time was running (which he personally wrote in his memoirs).
        2. military_cat
          military_cat 25 January 2021 07: 19
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Don't you really understand that it's not about the names, but about the system itself ?!
          I see that our capitalist system is clearly not working the way it does in Western Europe, for example. And the reasons for this are quite understandable, I gave them above.

          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          IT IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, not Putin personally. And the system can only be changed through a revolution, as in 1917. Are you ready for a new revolution and civil war ?! I personally do not

          You yourself first convinced yourself (in caps) that it is NECESSARY to make a revolution, and then - that it is not necessary. I hope you found it interesting to talk to yourself.
          1. region58
            region58 25 January 2021 07: 46
            +5
            Quote: military_cat
            it is NECESSARY to make a revolution, and then - what is not necessary

            Maybe evolution is better? I really don't want blood. And then the consequences of hell knows how many years to rake ... Yes, and our foreign "partners" will not fail to take advantage of the situation, who will tear as much as possible.
            1. Revival
              Revival 25 January 2021 14: 04
              +1
              Evolution is also prohibited by law
        3. region58
          region58 25 January 2021 07: 39
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          the system can only be changed through revolution, as in 1917.

          “The proletariat has nothing to lose except its chains,” Marx and Engels wrote as early as. Is it so now? I strongly doubt it ... Therefore, the signs of a revolutionary situation are not enough, according to V.I. Lenin. And he knew a lot about this business.
        4. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 08: 06
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          IT IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, not Putin personally. And the system can only be changed through a revolution, as in 1917. Are you ready for a new revolution and civil war ?! Personally, I do not, I have two little daughters, I need to raise them.
          That is, if there were no daughters, would you be ready ?! Or are you just a man in the street who talks about the system only on the Internet (in the kitchen).
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Yes, and the new Lenin and Stalin can not be seen from the word at all, but from your anal revolutionary as a bullet from shit.

          Nicholas II was not removed by Lenin and Stalin
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 January 2021 08: 43
            +4
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Nicholas II was not removed by Lenin and Stalin

            Actually, specifically This King, "reigned" so that kingdom gone Software......
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 25 January 2021 12: 27
            +14
            Stirbjorn (Michael)
            That is, if there were no daughters, would you be ready?
            Ready for what? Destroy the country ?! No, I'm not ready, I once defended her in the ranks of the internal troops. And now I'm ready to stand next to the riot police if necessary. But so far they have done without me.
            Or are you just a layman who talks about the system only on the Internet (in the kitchen).
            What did you actually do? The same sofa analyst like everyone else here. What are you trying to accuse me of?
            Nicholas II was not removed by Lenin and Stalin
            You won’t believe it, but I know who, whom, when he removed.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 13: 24
              -2
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Ready for what? Destroy the country ?! No, I'm not ready, I once defended her in the ranks of the internal troops. And now I'm ready to stand next to the riot police if necessary. But so far they have done without me.
              You yourself wrote above that you need to change the system
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              IT IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, not Putin personally.
              Is not it so?!
              What did you actually do? The same sofa analyst like everyone else here. What are you trying to accuse me of?
              I analyze your post, see above. I reproach the lack of consistency. Now you change the system, say, then with the OMON, you are going to get up.
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              You won’t believe it, but I know who, whom, when he removed.

              Wie, then remember how such Black Hundreds fled when the people really "took the pitchfork".
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 25 January 2021 14: 04
                +14
                Stirbjorn (Michael)
                You yourself wrote above that you need to change the system
                So I do not give up my words. IT IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM! BUT, now the logical question is HOW to change? There are two ways evolution and revolution. A revolution in modern realities is unlikely to take place, and it will bring more trouble and grief than good. There are no worthy leaders, and the Americans will use the results to finally bury us.
                Evolution is also doubtful, although more real than revolution.
                So in any case, although I am against the existing system, there is still no other and is not foreseen, so I will defend what is. Because what we have is in any case better than what anal and Co. offers us. Is it clear?!
                1. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 14: 43
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  So in any case, although I am against the existing system, there is still no other and is not foreseen, so I will defend what is. Is it clear ?!
                  Quite. The reasoning of a common man in the street. hi
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 25 January 2021 14: 45
                    +17
                    Stirbjorn (Michael)
                    Quite. The reasoning of a common man in the street.
                    Excuse me, are you not a common man in the street? Are you directly related to politics? Or to law enforcement?
                  2. Orkraider
                    Orkraider 25 January 2021 16: 18
                    +2
                    Welcome.

                    and the Americans will use the results to finally bury us.
                    Evolution is also doubtful, although more real than revolution.
                    So in any case, although I am against the existing system, there is still no other and is not foreseen, so I will defend what is.


                    This is logical reasoning, and, hopefully, this is what most ordinary people think.

                    A revolution is always a path through destruction, and the stronger the opposition, the stronger the destruction. Do you assume that in the process of weakening the Power (in the process of its change), nothing will be taken from the country?
                    The closest neighbors, for example?

                    Or will the distant "Neighbors" not ask to "put nuclear weapons under the control of the world community" in the process? With the subsequent withdrawal thereof?

                    Let me remind you that during the previous shifts, 17 and 90, we lost the territories that RI had been earning for centuries. And they lost the population, millions.

                    I do not want this and do not want my children.
                    Moreover, with the obvious support of the West, this gentleman, the conclusion suggests itself that he Subordination.
                    They constantly write about Merkel that she is tied to the United States, do we want something similar?
                    Me not.
                  3. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 17: 23
                    -4
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    This is logical reasoning, and, hopefully, this is what most ordinary people think.

                    The whole problem of ordinary people is that they do not solve anything. They really won't go anywhere, beyond their kitchen. Only under duress, if necessary. So it has been and will be at all times. Therefore, everything they talk about there is not interesting to anyone, because it is meaningless!
                  4. Orkraider
                    Orkraider 25 January 2021 19: 22
                    +3
                    The theory of passionaries, sub-passionaries and harom personalities is interesting.
                    But ..... there are harmonious individuals who, having fallen under the influence and closeness of passionaries, begin to behave as if they were passionary. And they become ready for exploits and self-sacrifice in the name of an idea. This follows from the same theory.
                    Therefore, I would not say so categorically about
                    ordinary people in the kitchen
                    that do not solve anything.

                    Tell me, and the mass of volunteers in the Second World War, also from the cohort of kitchen inhabitants? But they took it and really went, even before the summons arrived. My grandfather volunteered, although there was a reservation ..
                  5. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 20: 07
                    -2
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    Tell me, and the mass of volunteers in the Second World War, also from the cohort of kitchen inhabitants? But they took it and really went, even before the summons arrived. My grandfather volunteered, although there was a reservation ..
                    these were passionaries who built a new society and went to death for it. The Soviet project, especially at an early stage, allowed them to realize themselves in a creative direction. Read How Steel Was Tempered. By the way, during the civil war, the main participants were only a few hundred thousand passionaries from all sides. They decided, and the bulk of ordinary inhabitants were sitting at home, well, they were mobilizing when the time came, but they did not have a real impact on the war.
                  6. Orkraider
                    Orkraider 25 January 2021 22: 26
                    +1
                    By the way, during the civil war, the main participants were only a few hundred thousand passionaries from all sides

                    It is indisputable that at the initial stage the passionaries were the driving force, only with the number, it seems to me, you were a little mistaken, at the beginning of 1918 there were about 370 thousand from the Reds, and if you take the Whites, Greens and numerous gangs, then the number of hundreds at 7-8 it will be typed. I will not say exactly, I remember absolutely reliably only about the Red Army with its 370 thousand.

                    And now we look further, in just 1918-1920 6,7 million people were mobilized and drafted into the Red Army.
                    I cannot say that they did not have a real impact on the war, since it was in the years 18-20 that the fate of the Soviets was decided.
                    Well, it went on mobilization when the time came, but it did not have a real impact on the war.
                    my opinion, they did, and what else, this is confirmed by the statistics on losses (killed, died from wounds, diseases) in the years 18-20, 740 thousand, while in the next 2 years only 230 thousand. It means that during the main battles of the whites and reds, in the years 18-20, these called inhabitants out of 6 million, they did the deed and tipped the scales to victory. They are the ones.
                  7. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 26 January 2021 07: 52
                    -2
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    This means that during the main battles of the Whites and Reds, in the years 18-20, these called-up inhabitants from among the 6 million did their job and tipped the scales towards victory. They are the ones.
                    The inhabitants without passionaries were very passive - they fled, surrendered en masse, or went over to the side of the winners at the moment. "Quiet Don" remember. These masses were supported by passionaries who led them and carried out explanatory work, why, in fact, they were called upon. As for the losses, typhus was then a real scourge in all armies, the more conscripted, the more died from diseases.
                    according to approximate data, about 2 million people died from infectious diseases during the Civil War in Russia. This figure, if not, is at least close to the number of those killed in battle (here estimates reach 2,5 million). Https://diletant.media/articles/45281614/
                  8. Orkraider
                    Orkraider 26 January 2021 13: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Stirbjorn
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    This means that during the main battles of the Whites and Reds, in the years 18-20, these called-up inhabitants from among the 6 million did their job and tipped the scales towards victory. They are the ones.
                    The inhabitants without passionaries were very passive - they fled, surrendered en masse, or went over to the side of the winners at the moment. "Quiet Don" remember. These masses were supported by passionaries who led them and carried out explanatory work, why, in fact, they were called upon. As for the losses, typhus was then a real scourge in all armies, the more conscripted, the more died from diseases.
                    according to approximate data, about 2 million people died from infectious diseases during the Civil War in Russia. This figure, if not, is at least close to the number of those killed in battle (here estimates reach 2,5 million). Https://diletant.media/articles/45281614/




                    I am familiar with what you are referring to, I myself have great respect for the works of Krivosheev, but I will note:
                    1) You yourself cite data on 2,5 million combat losses, which confirms what I said above: it was the mass of ordinary people who won the victory. With your blood and death. Without ordinary people there would be no victory, which I wanted to draw attention to. Therefore, your argument
                    the main participants were only a few hundred thousand passionaries from all sides. They decided, and the bulk of ordinary inhabitants were sitting at home, well, they were mobilizing when the time came, but they did not have a real impact on the war.
                    - not correct. The impact was also significant. At the same time, I agree with you in terms of the influence of passionaries on the subjects of management, as a result of which they become similar and begin to behave as if they were passionate.
                    2) 2 million deaths from infectious diseases, not in the units of the Red Army, since the term sanitary losses is given in the work, and they are not irrecoverable. Here are some interesting data:
  • Horon
    Horon 25 January 2021 11: 01
    -3
    fool Be careful when cornering, otherwise the basement will be empty, but they will ask you!
    http://base.garant.ru/2566472/0baa94d0072daa10dff70d058884030d/#friends
  • Horon
    Horon 25 January 2021 12: 41
    -2
    I made a mistake with the article:
    Article 280 of the Criminal Code. Public calls for extremist activities


    Source: http://ukodeksrf.ru/ch-2/rzd-10/gl-29/st-280-uk-rf

    Quote: Horon
    fool Be careful when cornering, otherwise the basement will be empty, but they will ask you!
  • Horon
    Horon 25 January 2021 09: 52
    +1
    I believe that when the administration changes regularly with subsequent responsibility for its actions (without the ability to use administrative resources, which by that time will pass to the next administration)

    To do this, the opposition must be able to fight not with the help of "slaves' forelocks", but with the help of negotiations and undercover struggle. Then there is a choice and no one will use the administrative resource, since the rules of the game will be observed. Administrative resources are always used when some want to solve their problems with the help of the crowd, while others use government tools.
    her incentive for corrupt enrichment is significantly reduced.

    Completely unrelated phenomena. Corruption is a natural property of a person and the fight against it is rather related to education and social culture. The more society condemns corruption not in words but in deeds, the less corruption has opportunities for its occurrence. When the bulk of people consider it normal to carry "gifts" for services, then why be indignant that people who are able to provide these "services" simply by performing their professional duties are already beginning to wait for a "gift" for their work? And after all, a corrupt official is quite comfortable in conditions of official censure, but quiet encouragement of his activities. Only in the conditions of general rejection by society of any manifestations of corruption, corrupt officials will become uncomfortable to exist.
    That is why the turnover of power was invented, and not to replace the less good with the better.

    Changeability was invented to solve the problems of the elite (political, economic, military, etc.) in a bloodless way - nothing more! winked
    And on the contrary, nothing stimulates corruption enrichment so powerfully as the understanding that you can sit in your place, where all law enforcement agencies are under your control, as much as you like.

    If society and the elite are against this, then no administrative resource will help this - orders will be executed somehow, society will sabotage and consider such a power toxic, the elite will do everything to change such a representative. If the elite considers it their right to have unofficial income, the people are ready to carry "gifts" and are indignant only at their size, the military do not feel infringement of their rights and are ready to defend the interests of the state, then whoever takes the place - life will not change for the better! And even more so, it is impossible to fight local corruption with the help of an external force. From this, it goes inside and becomes a force for the emergence of separatism.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 25 January 2021 10: 51
      -1
      Quote: Horon
      The more society condemns corruption not in words but in deeds, the less corruption has opportunities for its occurrence.

      Yeah, all crimes in common practice are fought through the inevitability of punishment, and corruption should be an exception that must be fought with active public censure. Let's think for a second who might benefit from promoting such a point of view.
      1. Horon
        Horon 25 January 2021 11: 33
        +2
        Yeah, all crimes in common practice are fought through the inevitability of punishment, and corruption should be an exception that must be fought with active public censure.

        Punishment with crime ...! Oh, what good words! But the trouble is that the environment of the corrupt official does not consider his activities a crime! How many people you know have tax-free income? Do you consider this a crime? Will you no longer communicate with such people? People who give bribes and take them also have their own environment, and it does not consider them toxic, and does not even consider it illegal - rather, it considers the state to be wrong and sticking its nose into someone else's pocket! This is psychology! And any representative of a society where corruption or any other crime is not condemned by the society itself - will become the continuer of those "traditions" that this society has adopted! If a blood feud is accepted in a certain area, then outside interference in the form of state bodies does not make this society negatively disposed towards the avenger, but rather causes discontent with the state! And you, living in another society, can condemn them as much as you like, they will continue to try to carry out blood feud. Only upbringing can fix this, and it can stretch over many generations. And in the case of corruption, this is inherent in all people, therefore, it is difficult to cure even with the help of education, since even a teacher can be “smelly”, and accordingly, by example, society immediately returns to the usual coordinate system.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 25 January 2021 10: 40
    -3
    Quote: military_cat
    I believe that when an administration changes regularly with subsequent responsibility for its actions (without the ability to use administrative resources, which by that time will pass to the next administration), its incentive for corrupt enrichment is significantly reduced. That is why the turnover of power was invented, and not to replace the less good with the better.

    lol Yes, yes, but ideally replaceable The EU, in 2020, recognized:
    Joint report European anti-corruption agency OLAF and the EU Directorate of Justice has the following disappointing findings on corruption in the EU:

    Corruption in European structures has reached unprecedented proportions. Previously, the annual amount of embezzlement from European funds amounted to hundreds of millions of euros, but now it amounts to billions ...
    ...EU countries lose 323 billion euros annually from corruption, which is almost one third of the EU's proposed seven-year budget for 2014-2020

    They did not read you, yes ... lol
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 25 January 2021 15: 53
      -1
      That is, if Europe fails to fight corruption, then we should not fight corruption? It's wonderful how. Nobody says that Europe is ideal, but their systems also have their advantages. The problem with most people is that for them there is only black and white.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 25 January 2021 18: 50
        -1
        Quote: Deniska999
        That is, if Europe fails to fight corruption, then we shouldn't fight corruption either?

        Where did you find this "that is" with me? belay
        No need to finish talking for me.
        Quote: Deniska999
        It's wonderful how. Nobody says that Europe is ideal, but their systems also have their advantages. The problem with most people is that for them there is only black and white.

        Everyone has pluses. As well as the cons. AND?
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 25 January 2021 19: 14
          -3
          I have negotiated, I am finishing it, and I will finish it. Do not be fiddly, you understand my point perfectly.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 25 January 2021 19: 42
            -2
            Quote: Deniska999
            I have negotiated, I am finishing it, and I will finish it.

            I will suppress yes
            Quote: Deniska999
            Do not be engaged in chicanery, you perfectly understood my idea.

            so you understand me.
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  • sleeve
    sleeve 25 January 2021 07: 39
    0
    Please, at least you. Over what period is the stable drop in income? And how is it against the general background? Are we really the "chosen ones" in this matter? Are the reasons not global, but internal? Does it make sense to fight this specific methods? It's just that if this is a stable situation for the global conjuncture, then what to do?
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 25 January 2021 07: 47
      -4
      Quote: sleeve
      It's just that if this is a stable situation for the global conjuncture, then what to do?

      There is no such situation for the world conjuncture. A pandemic, yes, of course, but in Russia a downward trend has been going on since 2013, this is a unique situation.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 25 January 2021 07: 54
        +2
        Since 2013? Yeah. And before this type of growth? Good. Is the reason for the decline in household incomes since 2013 known? Any wrong decisions? The drop in oil prices, sanctions, I hope, are not taken into account, otherwise they blame too much on it. Interested in the reason? If the dialogue does not bother you, of course.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 25 January 2021 10: 28
          -1
          The dependence of the economy on oil prices and the readiness to run into sanctions, being confident that we don't care about them - these are also quite the results of administrative decisions. I will not argue that they are erroneous, but clearly aimed at the private interests of a small group to the detriment of state interests. Together with the destroyed system of checks and balances (for the sake of the same - in order to stay in power for as long as possible and collect administrative rent), this gives an unworkable economic and legal base with unacceptably large political and legal risks, in which long-term private initiative and long-term private investments are impossible. ... State management of the economy is ineffective and uncompetitive (a vivid example is Roskosmos). This is my model of what is happening, observations so far confirm it.
          1. sleeve
            sleeve 25 January 2021 11: 47
            -2
            Yeah. So there is a participation of sanctions. Yes, "running up" is bad, without the potential for resistance. Obviously, to avoid such an "abscess" is it necessary to play big politics, bargaining for the right to remain in the area of ​​the world economy? If communication with us is on an equal footing, then of course it is stupid to "butt" with the global political and economic complex. They seem to ask for nothing like that in exchange for "equal" relations except for curtailing foreign policy within their interests and "dividing" the economy into fair conditions that coincide with world conjunctions.
            I did not understand a little about the "administrative rent". A new concept. But based on the laws of definition of statistics, a high-risk economy should not grow at such a rate in terms of PPP. After all, such a gap (11th in terms of nominal GDP and 6th in terms of PPP in the world) testifies to the harshest domestic policy of protectionism in relation to the domestic market, and this is simply unbelievable without a stable regulatory legal basis (this is a Nobel Prize in economics). After all, a "non-initiative" economy cannot equalize the PPP of the population with constantly growing prices. This is not our assessment, is it? IMF ... Maybe there is some other pattern in what is happening? Something that determines the fallacy of the base vector? For some reason, external statistics say the opposite. Or is the West "kuzmit" to us?
            And with Roscosmos you are right. So they hoped for income from him. And in general from science in general. Especially this fundamental ...
          2. sleeve
            sleeve 25 January 2021 11: 54
            -4
            And yes ... By administrative decisions. As I understand it, the new amendments to the Constitution introduce the institution of these "balances", which has not yet been present in our history. Why would they? Now it's not a bad option to leave everything as it is. The concentration of power with the president is maximum. What are they trying to achieve? Another 10 years of one man's rule? But this is stupid. The entire elite that is next to him will grow old and one can lose power at once. After all, at least then the infosphere should be brought under control and the elections of local governors should be canceled (why did they return it at all?). Otherwise, the potential groups of fighters for the Kremlin sea. What is the "sacred" idea of ​​this reform within the framework of the preservation of power by the "group", and not by one person. As I understand it, the conversation is about the grouping?
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 25 January 2021 12: 24
              0
              Quote: sleeve
              As I understand it, the new amendments to the Constitution introduce the institution of these "balances"
              You are such a naive person, it's even amazing. The amendments were adopted to nullify Putin. And when needed, they will be reset again in the same way.

              Quote: sleeve
              except for curtailing foreign policy within the framework of their interests
              I can be glad for you if the current foreign policy is pursued in your interests, and they are more important to you than degrading international economic cooperation. I don’t feel this way for myself, but I’ll rejoice for you from the bottom of my heart.

              Quote: sleeve
              a high risk economy should not grow at such a rate in terms of PPP.
              In 2019, Russia sank in GDP at PPP from $ 4390,0 to $ 4136,0 billion. By reference the table:

              ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_countries_by_GDP_(PPS)#Criticism

              Quote: sleeve
              And with Roscosmos you are right. So they hoped for income from him. And in general from science in general.
              Much of Roskosmos is a minibus to orbit, which was once a science, but now a routine sale of services.
              1. sleeve
                sleeve 25 January 2021 13: 13
                -1
                So all the same they work for one person? Hmm. How is the group going to cover their finances? If the controlled rotation fails, will they all be deaf over 80? Or do they already care? Or is there a conspiracy? Well, of course, deeply conspiratorial, of course, otherwise everything looks like a confrontation between "ours and yours" from the outside, it looks banal, with maneuvers, but without special contacts. Something like the 50s of the 20th century (by the way, economies are comparable))). Is it that they are just frostbitten stupid people, as I understand it? Or conspiracy?
                According to PPP, of course, yes, 6% is a lot. It is strange that this year we took these places (11th and 6th) and the 2nd in Europe. Our competitors today are only the Germans, but there should be at least three countries, and the gap should not be like that, well, if their PPP has grown so much, we should generally lag behind sharply. Maybe a calculation error? Although no, unlikely, this is the IMF. Probably some additional data outside the accounting matrix.
                Roscosmos minibus. A very apt name. And there are routes and what to ride))). Well, it is natural "while it is" ...
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 25 January 2021 13: 28
                  0
                  They will solve problems as they arise. Now the main problem is that if you retire, you will be left without an aquadiskotheque, and without an aquadiscoteque, retirement is not as interesting as with it.

                  I believe that absolute figures do not give an adequate picture of the state of the economy. The USSR had the second largest economy in the world before collapsing. A clearer idea is given by the growth rates (and after all, you started with them, didn't you?), And they are in denomination, that in terms of PPP - so-so.
                  1. sleeve
                    sleeve 25 January 2021 14: 12
                    -1
                    All. I got it. The point is in the wrong assessment of the IMF. Otherwise, it turns out that in 20 years he has raised the PPP by 330%. This is taking into account that our inflation? It seems to me that the IMF and the World Bank are wrong specifically. And what do you think?
                  2. military_cat
                    military_cat 25 January 2021 14: 22
                    -1
                    It doesn't seem to me. It seems to me that you think that this somehow contradicts what I wrote above, but you cannot formulate this thought in a logically complete form. And you want me to do it for you.
                  3. sleeve
                    sleeve 25 January 2021 15: 13
                    -1
                    No no. What are the wording? We simply quote these same sources no more. Didn't you seem to move on to statements?
                  4. military_cat
                    military_cat 25 January 2021 15: 15
                    -1
                    Well, that means it seemed. I have already given the answer above - "I don't think".
                  5. sleeve
                    sleeve 25 January 2021 15: 27
                    0
                    Then what is this phenomenon? Life seems to have become better and much better (as our planetary partners say), but the person does not like it. And the system that gives such indicators at a distance for a long time does not like it. I just really want to understand this. It seemed to me that you can argue for this. I decided to contact you. Misunderstanding is worst of all.
                  6. military_cat
                    military_cat 25 January 2021 15: 30
                    0
                    Wow, it still didn't seem. Let me explain: 330% in twenty years is for twenty years. The time 2000-2013 was a time of unprecedented growth (especially zero until 2009). This does not change the steady trend for the fall in real disposable income and the GDP rate lagging behind the world average over the past seven years.
                  7. sleeve
                    sleeve 25 January 2021 16: 00
                    0
                    But it turns out that the PPP should fall for all seven years. And it grew, at least until 2018. But even if we assume that net growth until the 13th, and then a negative balance, then 330% over 13 years. To put it purely heuristically, prices have increased by about 6 times, and salary by 20. I'm simply not ready to believe Rosstat about 43 thousand. 32, again confirmed by these fun international offices. I understand that I am behaving like a foreigner reading a travel brochure. But the booklet was written by reputable companies. So I don’t understand.
                  8. military_cat
                    military_cat 25 January 2021 16: 04
                    -1
                    Sorry, the dialogue has become difficult. Excuse me. Good luck, thanks.
                  9. sleeve
                    sleeve 25 January 2021 19: 02
                    +2
                    Good luck. And thank you.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 25 January 2021 08: 57
    +2
    Quote: military_cat
    but I have little idea of ​​people who can support this.

    So the majority probably came out not for Navalny, but against such "stability".
  • Revival
    Revival 25 January 2021 13: 29
    +3
    And the author does not hide this, he simply suggests waiting, being silent, and believing. And who is not happy with that traitor
  • Finches
    Finches 25 January 2021 06: 38
    -2
    Our so-called, God forgive me, opposition is akin to fecal masses, which, no, no, will burst through the sewer pipe, bursting out into the light of day, which they immediately begin to poison with their incense - it's bad that, breathing in nasty vapors, some people, especially young people, are poisoned and pour into scattered streams of sewage, remaining morally and intellectually poor disagreeing until the end of their days ... They do not even agree with themselves! It is surprising that they are protected and supported by seemingly quite adequate people ... That is, swimming in sewage is natural for them ? Very strange! Means and not quite normal!
    1. Revival
      Revival 25 January 2021 14: 14
      +2
      And they are opposed by the other extreme. Intellectually poor "always agreeable". Parity
  • 210ox
    210ox 25 January 2021 16: 12
    0
    Here it is, democracy! And in our country they complain that they say they are clattering with them, the liberals. So the government itself declares itself liberal. Here is a recent example of "Putin's palace". Today the guarantor announced that this property does not belong to him or his relatives. Well, sort of justified. So this crap near Gelendzhik lasts ten years. What prevented him from attracting for libel so that the anal person could not even open his mouth. So no, it is still tricking and justifying.
  • Vend
    Vend 25 January 2021 16: 15
    -3
    Only idlers and losers go to such unauthorized rallies.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 January 2021 05: 36
    -3
    Why was this poisoned man allowed to return at all? Why not deprive him of his citizenship and deport him without the right to return? Why does the Kremlin allow all sorts of crooks a la gozman and others like them to sculpt an icon from the "poisoned" one? And, finally, the authorities will not take care of the youth, from idleness of the crowd of youths through social networks are drawn into all sorts of "popular movements", and the crowds go to such processions! And, in the end, it’s time for us to really start the collapse of the United States from the inside, because only strong opposition to pseudo-diplomats, taking out a flock of stupid people for all sorts of actions, can have an effect. The Yankees are trying to arrange a Maidan in our country, our special services must in response to shake the United States from within!
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 25 January 2021 07: 26
      -2
      Because it's a tap.
      How can you take Navalny seriously?
      When do they plant one or two with us?
      And this darling cuts only this way ...
      They hope that he will lead the protest on relatively safe tracks, about idiotic laws, rights, complaints, etc.
      The authorities are terrified not by this clown, but by the possibility of social and regional protest.
    2. Revival
      Revival 25 January 2021 14: 17
      +3
      Taking care of young people is spending money, but it's a pity, there won't be enough for the third yacht. Yes, and young people can ask an uncomfortable question, but how to explain patriotically why his mother has two jobs for a pittance, and his uncle has 3 yachts.
      So it’s difficult ..
  • Crowe
    Crowe 25 January 2021 05: 36
    +13
    The opposition must be healthy and honest.

    Yes, we do not have an opposition. All these "oppositionists" from Zyuganov to Semin are only a semblance of it. Zyuganov, like Ilya Muromets, has been sitting in the Duma for thirty years and for three years on the priest exactly and does not blow his mustache. Oppositionists. children are outside the borders of everyone, but there too ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 January 2021 05: 43
      +1
      Quote: Crowe
      The hangers-on, that's who they are. The children themselves are outside the borders of everyone, and there ...

      Adepts of the "State Department" and people without a "king in the head"
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 25 January 2021 07: 24
      +6
      It is ironic how Semin and his cohort are screaming everywhere about the children of bureaucrats in the United States, but at the same time he himself has a residence permit in the United States and his whole family lives there, and we are shouting and pouring "Let's arrange a world revolution! But first we must throw the oligarchs and capitalists into Russia ". A typical provocateur and agent of influence.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 25 January 2021 05: 43
    +5
    A fresh example: unauthorized actions in support of the justly detained and defendant A. Navalny On January 23, 2021, the liberal media used F. Kirkorov's post on Instagram. And (for some unknown reason) they interpreted it both in their headlines and in the materials as a position in support of Navalny


    Tatyana Olkhova interpreted this in her article. Kirkorov is an anti-authority for a normal and primarily thinking public, which could not even imagine, let alone think, that Kirkorov is for Navalny. Something these articles for the "leader" are similar to each other. I don't even want to discuss it.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 08: 08
      +10
      Yes, Kirkorov is an example of a patriot and statesman! This is the one who "he is sugary in one word, Romanian" (Brother-2) - that's a scream, not an article wassat
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 25 January 2021 08: 21
        +11
        Yeah ... And laughter and sin, as they say. There is more laughter.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 25 January 2021 05: 47
    -8
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Crowe
    The hangers-on, that's who they are. The children themselves are outside the borders of everyone, and there ...

    Adepts of the "State Department" and people without a "king in the head"

    laughing laughing laughing
    Gorgeous comments, usually so modern grandmothers at the entrance say, retelling the news of the first channel and waiting for the next increase in pension.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 25 January 2021 08: 11
      -2
      Quote: Konnick
      Usually, modern grandmothers at the entrance say this, retelling the news of the first channel and waiting for the next increase in pension.

      It is immediately clear that you are not "local", times have changed and no grandmothers have been sitting at the entrances for a long time, modern grannies are now wearing fishnet stockings, you can also tell that grandfathers play dominoes. You cannot work like that, unprofessional.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 25 January 2021 08: 34
        0
        Do you know such an artistic device as an allegory?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 25 January 2021 08: 39
          -1
          Quote: Konnick
          Do you know such an artistic device as an allegory?

          Do you know what verbiage is?
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 25 January 2021 05: 52
    -10%
    The sympathizers of Navalny were aroused to incredible proportions ... poor fellows ... spraying saliva and snot on others for several meters in the area ... amused how they surrounded a policeman with smartphones with a crowd, filming and waiting for him to use force ... clowns dressed up with smartphones ... what to take from them ... mentally ill people motivated by hatred of Putin ... mental disorder is evident.
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 25 January 2021 07: 22
      -1
      She's fighting too ...
      Willingly.
      The crowd is much more aggressive against the past.
      Because the people are dissatisfied and angry.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 25 January 2021 08: 46
        +1
        The crowd is not the people
        1. nsm1
          nsm1 25 January 2021 08: 47
          0
          But no doubt a part of it.
          And reflects his mood, only more actively.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 25 January 2021 09: 02
            +1
            How, young adolescents, of whom there were many, with soft from the tic currents of any and other channels, can reflect the mood of the people? They just can't really say ... Do you remember the rallies in the late 80s in support and against the collapse of the USSR? yes, the same in support of ebn, (people would know where in the end all this will lead), then yes, you can definitely say the position of the PEOPLE was expressed
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 25 January 2021 10: 40
          0
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          The crowd is not the people

          And the crowd is not the people? And if it is a thinking crowd? The people are still waking up. Then? But you need to think about this * Putin and Company *. Yes! Why blame everything on the concept of * liberal *? Perhaps you should just ask what is by this concept?
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 25 January 2021 11: 08
            0
            A thinking crowd does not exist, these are two mutually exclusive concepts, when it begins to think it ceases to be such, transforming into something else ... , death
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 25 January 2021 11: 13
              +1
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              Thinking

              Are we talking about manifestations?
    2. Vlad world
      Vlad world 25 January 2021 10: 14
      -3
      There are such expressions - urban crazy - so the liberals occupy the 1st place, the 2nd place behind the followers of Lenin and Trotsky.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 25 January 2021 11: 10
        0
        Wait wait, Lenin and Trotsky would never be city madmen, well, they certainly wouldn’t, but to manage the masses, not even that there were 23, but they could perfectly well, especially Trotsky
        1. Vlad world
          Vlad world 25 January 2021 11: 42
          -2
          Well, no need to juggle.
          I didn’t write them down as crazy. There about interest in general.
          It's like hemophilia - a certain percentage of the population gets it and not the whole population. You really think first and then write. Good luck.
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 25 January 2021 12: 35
        +1
        Quote: Vlad-world
        expressions - urban crazy - so liberals take 1st place, 2nd place behind the followers of Lenin with Trotsky

        You are wrong! Why? Yes, millions of people followed these * crazy * people, no? Ideas, right, at the core! Again, no?
        1. Vlad world
          Vlad world 25 January 2021 14: 33
          -1
          Here you have to chew - the liberals place. As a percentage of the mass of liberals.
          Basically, they are distorted from Christianity. With the addition of class struggle. But the execution is what.
          You want repetition of this performance - I do not.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 25 January 2021 06: 08
    0
    There was never any unity between the liberals and Navalny, even fictitious. A couple of times at rallies, in my opinion, he united with Udaltsov, but Udaltsov cannot be called a liberal. Weak and contrived article. Liberals do not like him for his position on the Crimea and his rather patriotic and nationalistic views. Moreover, our opposition has Semitic surnames. And Putin himself awarded and congratulated Alekseev. Again, propagandists are trying to present rallies across the country as support for Navalny, but this is not so, yes, some people chanted "Freedom to Navalny", but the majority came out against the pension reform, zeroing out the irreplaceable (by the way, Olkhova used a good photo of Kirkorov with Putin, one decorative with the other " courageous "with cheekbones as if balls protrude, these are implants after plastic surgery).
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 25 January 2021 06: 29
      +2
      These Semitic surnames are real provocateurs, Gozman, Rubinstein, Vishnevsky did not go to the booze, things were immediately found, they cherish their cunning muzzles and will hang themselves for a fine. These should definitely be expelled from the country and deprived of citizenship, they are hefty for everyone, red, white, green, gray-brown ...
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 January 2021 06: 30
      +1
      And Alekseev was awarded and congratulated by Putin himself.

      This lady is unworthy of the state award from my point of view.
      Such tricks of Putin push me away from him.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 25 January 2021 10: 47
        +5
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        push me away from him.
        Reply

        This is all ???? Yes, a Chel wearing the notorious portfolio for Sobchak can not be a decent person! A priori !.
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 25 January 2021 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Konnick
      A couple of times at rallies, in my opinion, he united with Udaltsov

      And then he substituted him.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 January 2021 06: 10
    +13
    Here you read similar articles and think that it looks like a workers 'and peasants' government is in power. smile , not liberal. And the liberals are trying to throw it off.
    The opposition must be healthy and honest.
    .. Until I am president, the retirement age will not be increased. Friend, friend stand. laughing Fussing at the trough, some feed, others are torn. As it does not want to rally around the first, as well as around the second. In any case, the leftovers will not get. laughing
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 January 2021 06: 28
      +1
      Friend, friend stand.

      I agree with this ... Chubais under Putin's wing is actually nonsense ... a break in patterns. what
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 25 January 2021 07: 20
        +8
        Breaking apart to the extreme of a strange pattern.
        It was Chubais who brought Putin to power, they were and are like-minded people.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 08: 13
          +4
          Quote: nsm1
          It was Chubais who brought Putin to power, they were and are like-minded people.

          In-in, together with the second main corrupt official of the 90s, Borodin - see Navalny's film from 18 minutes
      2. Avior
        Avior 25 January 2021 07: 52
        +4
        everything is natural. Chubais brought Putin to power, so it is not surprising that he became unsinkable
        quote] [quote] there were many free rates in the presidential administration, since some of the employees left with Mr. Chubais to the government. Then Anatoly Chubais suggested taking into the administration “a strong candidate with whom he worked in St. Petersburg” - Vladimir Putin. [/ Quote] [/ quote]
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 25 January 2021 07: 27
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Here you read similar articles and think that it looks like a workers 'and peasants' government is in power. smile , not liberal. And the liberals are trying to throw it off.
      The opposition must be healthy and honest.
      .. Until I am president, the retirement age will not be increased. Friend, friend stand. laughing Fussing at the trough, some feed, others are torn. As it does not want to rally around the first, as well as around the second. In any case, the leftovers will not get. laughing

      Many presidents have fulfilled their promises in full? No one.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 January 2021 13: 20
        +5
        Quote: Quadro
        Many presidents have fulfilled their promises in full?

        What promises did our president keep? He promised not to alter the constitution either.
      2. Revival
        Revival 25 January 2021 15: 34
        +5
        But rarely is it so epic ...
        2. This does not relieve responsibility
        3. And even fewer of those who performed almost nothing
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 25 January 2021 06: 13
    +2
    Power in Russia should be professional, like any kind of activity, and not elite, sacred religious of which everything is allowed with a manual Duma, where strange laws are adopted, for example, a civil servant has no rights to foreign accounts, but a family can, how is that? This is just spit.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 January 2021 06: 35
      +1
      Power in Russia should be professional, like any type of activity, and not elite, sacred religious of which everything is allowed with a manual Duma

      If Navalny comes to power ... what kind of power will it be? smile
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 25 January 2021 07: 18
        +1
        He will not come, because itself is zero without a stick.
        But you can no longer endure it any longer, they got it.
      2. Revival
        Revival 25 January 2021 15: 36
        +4
        And here who comes, they write to you about what is already there.
        How about this? No way?
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 25 January 2021 06: 41
    +1
    Now we will be equal to Philip, then to Buzova. Although many graduates want to live like them. I would call it a petty bourgeois get-together. To receive the privileges that they have above. There are workers, but there is no working class. If it existed, it would have fought back. For one simple reason. He has to come out with real demands. "Since childhood, I did not like the oval ..."
  • HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 25 January 2021 06: 54
    +10
    I don’t understand one thing, why are you scolding liberals like that?) After all, Putin and his entourage are also liberals, Yeltsin opened the center, they erect monuments to Solzhenitsyn, the Soviet Union is constantly pouring mud, there are solid liberals in the government and state corporations: Miller, Gref, Kudrin , Chubais, Siluanov, etc., or our president is not a liberal, striving to return the planned economy, to cancel the results of privatization? It's just that some liberals want to go to the trough that now has other liberals)
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 25 January 2021 07: 49
      -2
      Very true. There is simply the concept of conservative liberalism. It is usually patriotic, since it is based on the preservation of statehood.
      1. Revival
        Revival 25 January 2021 15: 37
        +7
        He is more of a "populist screen patriotic"
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 25 January 2021 19: 01
          +1
          So liberalism is all populist. That is to say, the main meaning of electoral politics. Well, and of course a screen. In hearing, no one says that right now these grandmothers will work out. And about the patriotic ... I think only we have this abusive word.
    2. Pilot
      Pilot 25 January 2021 07: 57
      +5
      I don’t understand one thing, why do you scold liberals like that?) After all, Putin and his entourage are also liberals, Yeltsin opened the center, they erect monuments to Solzhenitsyn,
      So systemic libers are specifically forcing schizophrenia in order to divert their eyes from their liberal essence to non-systemic libers. Vaughn Mironov stated that the SR is a leftist party and he himself respects Solzhenitsyn. To the left he could only run from his woman, his place at the tsar's toilet screaming, "busy" Such is the liberal shiz in the country.
  • nsm1
    nsm1 25 January 2021 07: 16
    +2
    They put this covid in every hole!
    Not tired of fooling your head!
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 25 January 2021 08: 46
      +4
      Quote: nsm1
      Not tired of fooling your head!

      Well, if the business has gone? wink
  • Konnick
    Konnick 25 January 2021 09: 05
    +1
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Yes, Kirkorov is an example of a patriot and statesman! This is the one who "he is sugary in one word, Romanian" (Brother-2) - that's a scream, not an article wassat


    "He's some kind of sugary, tinted all over, powdered like a woman ... One word - Romanian ..."

    The phrase from the film Brat2 Balabanov became famous, but few people know its origin, Alexey Balabanov was very well-read - read the paragraph from N.N. Voronov, Marshal of Artillery.

    “The next day, at one of the intersections, I met a car with two Romanian officers and an interpreter. They came up to me and reproached me: our troops were moving too fast. painted faces, and one of them even had a black front sight on his cheek. Characters from the operetta, and nothing more! "
    In the photo in the article, there are two Romanians, one wearing makeup, and the other with an improved plastic surgeon's facial relief.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 25 January 2021 09: 38
    +1
    Everything is ambiguous, the author of the article, adhering to socialist views, cannot support Navalny, because if he removes Putin from power, then the capitalist path of development of Russia will remain, and if Putin brings Russia to the handle, then a transition from the rule of oligarchs to the socialist path of development is possible. Semin speaks about this openly, and Tatyana Olkhova, through discrediting Navalny, is trying to preserve the modern government until a simply revolutionary situation, in our realities this is a victory of the socialists-communists in the elections. Just don't apply it to the Communist Party and the SR parliamentary parties, they are fed ...
  • cniza
    cniza 25 January 2021 09: 40
    +1
    And what did B.N. Yeltsin, who came to power through a coup d'état, destroying the country, "burying" the Constitution, and sovereignty, and statehood.


    And here are some interesting photos:

    1. Pilot
      Pilot 25 January 2021 09: 48
      +2
      “And your mustache is unstuck,” (c) Lelika was obviously photo-assisted, the grin is not his, more precisely similar but corrected ..laughing
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 25 January 2021 09: 58
      +5
      Quote: cniza
      here are some interesting photos:

      And if so?
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 25 January 2021 10: 03
        +4
        Yeah, I also drew attention to the similarity of the criminal godfather with the church one. Fate is to be seen in Russia, that no godfather is rogue radish.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 25 January 2021 10: 12
          +2
          Quote: Pilot
          Yeah, I also drew attention to the similarity of the criminal godfather with the church

          You know, if you take into account the path of this * character *, then the similarity will be found not only physical. At one time there was such a journalist from * MK *, Sergei Bychkov. A deeply religious person, but he published articles on Kirill, far from ... church. , rather closer to * Bratkovsky * -and in vodka, and in tobacco, and on other matters, who have nothing to do with the church. And he / Kirill / at that time held a post similar to the Minister of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Now we do not hear about Bychkov. I wonder why? Yes, yes. And Kuraev was overthrown for what? Again the liberals are to blame?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 25 January 2021 10: 49
            -3
            Quote: Phil77
            Now about Bychkov is not heard. I wonder why?

            Maybe because he lost (2006) the trial on charges of being a KGB agent and actively scribbling denunciations. Lost to Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, who publicly accused him.
            Quote: Phil77
            Deeply religious person

            Sectarian modernist.
            Quote: Phil77
            Yes, yes. And Kuraev was overthrown for what? Again the liberals are to blame?

            You will be surprised, absolutely, that is called out of topic.
            The former supernumerary cleric was the mouthpiece of church liberalism, recently he has completely lost his temper, the church authorities ran out of patience, he was overthrown, as you put it.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 25 January 2021 10: 55
              +1
              Quote: bober1982
              church authorities, he was overthrown, as you put it.
              Reply

              Candidate of Philosophy? Church? Ohamel? And perhaps a question to Cyril?
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 25 January 2021 10: 57
                0
                Quote: Phil77
                Candidate of Philosophy? Church? Ohamel?

                This is really funny.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 25 January 2021 11: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: bober1982
                  standing funny

                  Over what? He really is a candidate of philosophy / 94year / .Yes! And a candidate of theology / 95year /. What are the claims? Are you? Exactly? In the subject?
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 25 January 2021 11: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Phil77
                    Over what? He really is a candidate of philosophy / 94year / Yes! And a candidate of theology / 95year /

                    So I, and I have nothing against, here is the notorious Leonid Gozman - a candidate of psychological sciences, and so what? How many such candidates and doctors of sciences are wandering around, so now everyone has the honor and respect that you are like a child.
                    Quote: Phil77
                    What is the essence of the claims?

                    Let him continue to philosophize, outside the church fence, this is the essence of the decision of the church court.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 25 January 2021 11: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: bober1982
                      Leonid Gozman

                      Lord! Dear! He's got to do with it? Right?
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 25 January 2021 11: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Dear! He's got to do with it? Right?

                        Respected! And, overthrown, what has he got to do with it?
                      2. bober1982
                        bober1982 25 January 2021 11: 28
                        -1
                        Since you are a person who is not indifferent to the affairs of the Church, this is noticeable, and in order to part on a positive note (as they say now), I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the Decision of the Diocesan Court of Moscow in case N50-54-2020 - on recognizing Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev as subject to eruption from the sacred dignity
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 25 January 2021 11: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: bober1982
                        holy dignity
                        Reply

                        Do we believe the courts? Secular? Church? Now? Under this power? As the character of Bronevoy used to say there, huh?
                      4. bober1982
                        bober1982 25 January 2021 11: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Do we believe in the courts? Secular? Church? Now? Under this power?

                        Well, let the former supernumerary cleric complain to the secular court and, in his defense, quotes the character of Armor, you are welcome.
                      5. Phil77
                        Phil77 25 January 2021 11: 56
                        +1
                        The argument is not accepted! Sorry, Kuraev is right, Gundyaev ..... It's up to you! laughing
                      6. bober1982
                        bober1982 25 January 2021 12: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Phil77
                        You decide!

                        In our time, you can't believe anyone, even yourself, I can
                        cinematography, L. Bronova
                      7. Phil77
                        Phil77 25 January 2021 12: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Armored

                        So I am about it! I hate that the word * liberal * has become a dirty word. Here am I. Yes, I love freedom! My freedom, which does not concern another person. What's wrong with that? Don't touch me, and I won't touch you. So even the destroyer was called in that old time.Tsarskoe.Romanovskoe.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 25 January 2021 10: 58
    0
    Quote: bober1982
    ) the trial on charges that he was a KGB agent and actively scribbled denunciations.

    A KGB agent? In 2006, let's laugh together? wink
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 25 January 2021 11: 03
      0
      Quote: Phil77
      KGB agent? 2006?

      You read the comments inattentively, or it’s hard to get it.
      After all, I reported on the 2006 trial
  • Phil77
    Phil77 25 January 2021 10: 21
    +3
    Quote: Pilot
    crime boss with the church

    I, personally, am scared. What is such a country, we! The generation of those born in the sixties, are leaving under this * power * to children and grandchildren / granddaughters / .91 years! The point of reference of our doing nothing. No, I understand. Someone served, worked, waited for the order, survived. But !!!!! 91st year! Remember!
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 25 January 2021 10: 32
      +3
      Quote: Phil77
      But !!!!! 91st year! Remember!
      Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten! The hope for revenge is alive!
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 25 January 2021 10: 14
    +5
    you can also do this.
    What does it mean? it doesn't mean anything!
  • Phil77
    Phil77 25 January 2021 10: 30
    +2
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    What does it mean? it doesn't mean anything!

    Abama-Yezhov? I like it! laughing laughing laughing You - * plus *!
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 25 January 2021 10: 53
    +5
    Yes. Writing about an unnamed person is not about Usmanov and his friends. safe and profitable.

    Once, I read, there was a phrase - everything could be forgiven if the country was developing.
    China, Korea, Japan ... Corruption too, but there is growth ...
    But after $ 100 for oil in 2008, $ 140 in 2014, the economic growth is such that only Rosstat sees it. And the rest voiced negative.

    Only the state of the first persons in Forbes is growing ...
  • BAI
    BAI 25 January 2021 12: 02
    +1
    You can assess what happened in different ways.
    But the conclusions are as follows:
    1. The authorities have completely failed work with young people. And since young people do not follow her, the current government has no future. The old people will die (and there are already a decent age for everyone) and they will be replaced by pro-American youth.
    2. There is no unity in the authorities in relation to Navalny. It has long been possible to roll Navalny, like Khodorkovsky, to the fullest, but did not do it. Navalny has a serious roof at the top.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 25 January 2021 13: 04
      +3
      Quote: BAI
      Power

      Power? Under the word * power * I, personally I, want to see people living and knowing the interests of the country they control, no? We look at their faces. They live for us? No! For themselves? Yes !!!! But there are people / even on the site !!!!! / who thinks that Putin is everything for Russia! Is that so? Doubt Doubt Doubt
  • Revival
    Revival 25 January 2021 13: 27
    +5
    "Serious work is needed in the country in matters of economy, science, education, health care, culture and education of children and youth."

    One question! When already?

    You so easily stepped over this, and this is people's lives today, yesterday someone finally did not have enough medicine, and so on.

    If someone has nothing to offer except to be silent, then what right does he have to criticize
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 25 January 2021 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: Revival
      One question! When

      And who ????? Who is even capable of this? After all, poo cleared everything ???
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 25 January 2021 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Revival
      has the right to criticize

      Ogoorr ;;; At last!!!!!
  • Revival
    Revival 25 January 2021 13: 31
    +5
    Staver thought as usual, such a licking article.
    But no, they pulled everyone up, apparently
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 25 January 2021 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: Revival
      everyone, apparently

      In general, the old Irishman is with you, friends !!!!
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 25 January 2021 14: 01
      0
      Got it! Friendly! laughingNot everything from the Neva? wink
  • would
    would 25 January 2021 13: 34
    +3
    Something I did not understand the position of the author. The author is against Putin or something laughing ? The whole article is stigmatizing liberals, but as you know, we have one real liberal in our country and we all know him

    You know, enemies - primarily abroad, but also some enemies inside Russia - believe that Putin is rather a conservative and a statesman who is alien to the word "freedom". But Putin is an absolute liberal by nature. And much more liberal than the so-called liberals who call themselves a pseudo-opposition... He is absolutely liberal in his economic approaches, social policies and so on. Therefore, this is really so, and this concept is close to him "


    Press Secretary Peskov (c)

    The following passage by the author looks especially funny in the context of this

    Why do liberals need such disinformation? It is quite understandable. In fact, they actually have no support. They write about it themselves in the comments on social networks.


    Doesn't Putin have support? The author of the case is not an agent of Navalny? lol

    Or are we once again reading an article from an author who doesn't even try to figure out what he writes?
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 25 January 2021 13: 42
      +2
      And you read my commentary, there I gave my version of the author's attitude to what is happening.

      And this is her political credo:

      Columnist, analyst. Supporter of the socialist socio-political system. Civil activity is associated with the protection of historical truth, the fight against falsification of history (especially important - military history); with opposition to the attempts of "liberals" and "nationalists" to rehabilitate the crimes of Nazi accomplices; with political and geopolitical problems in the world concerning Russia and the countries of the former USSR.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 26 January 2021 10: 59
    0
    True, this “hero” was not at the scene either. This is not surprising, because the leaders of the gathering were who were where: at country cottages, in England, in the USA or in Germany.(C)
    In Lenin's way - "revolution" is led from emigration am Scoundrels .... am
  • Navel
    Navel 28 January 2021 09: 05
    0
    Quote: military_cat
    Five years ago, the United States had to go under water because of the Yellowstone Volcano and the national debt, if you remember. And the EU - to fall apart because of the refugees swimming across the Mediterranean. After another five, you won't even remember that there were some LJ and BLM, everyone will be grafted from the virus, but they will bring new tales.

    Don't you understand the difference between reality and speculation? There was no catastrophe of the Yellowstone volcano, and there were no LiveJournal and BLM pogroms (and a bunch of other things), and there was no such thing before in the West. now the time has come when many real and very serious problems have appeared, so everyone has no time for tales