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Should Russia buy MZKT

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MZKT-79221. Source: autoreview.ru


Belarusian pearl


On July 23, 1954, a Special Design Bureau was formed in the Byelorussian SSR on the basis of the Minsk Automobile Plant. Legendary Boris Lvovich Shaposhnik supervised the development. In the shortest possible time, it turned out to create the most complex strategic vehicle MAZ-535. The design bureau managed to do this in just five years - 1954-1959. Yes, readers will forgive me, but here it is impossible not to draw parallels with the modern Russian development "Platform-O", which KamAZ has not been able to bring to mind for more than ten years. More recently, an electric rocket ship, designed to destroy the Belarusian monopoly in special wheeled chassis, began to be developed anew. In the Soviet Union, a heavy car was created practically from scratch in just five years. Undoubtedly, the MAZ-535 had a bunch of shortcomings - the short life of the V-2 tank diesel engine, the low reliability of key components, and high oil and fuel consumption. But it was a real rocket carrier that the army demanded. Later, the car was upgraded to a tank tractor and production was transferred to a backup plant in Kurgan. What problems are faced by modern engineers, who openly delay the development of the "Platform-O" project? This question remains rhetorical.

The most successful development of the Special Bureau of the Minsk Automobile Plant was, of course, the two-cab MAZ-543, which is still produced in various variations! But the technique could be considered successful for the first forty to fifty years. This year, in all respects, the obsolete car will turn 64 years old. Few military developments can boast such a long history... Now the classic Volat MAZ is exported mainly to Russia, it is used as a platform for the Smerch, Tornado-S MLRS, the Bereg artillery complex and the S-300PS air defense system. The Russian army has to buy ancient chassis simply because Belarusians do not want to offer anything else in this segment.


MZKT-7930 is not particularly in demand at home. Only as a carrier of "Polonez".
Source: autoreview.ru

The successor of the 543rd was supposed to be the MZKT-7930, but the car became only its more modern analogue, produced in parallel. Now chassis 7930 can be seen in the operational-tactical Iskander. The Belarusians have adopted this vehicle as a carrier of the Polonez rocket launcher. By the way, there are no more such vehicles in the Belarusian army. As well as missing in service with the MZKT-79221 - huge sixteen-wheeled carriers of Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles. Now this unique product is exported exclusively to Russia, however, nowhere else are such monsters in demand. The eight-axle and eight-hundred-horsepower Volat is capable of carrying up to 80 tons, while consuming about 300 liters of fuel per 100 km - like several combat tanks!

The Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant has produced about 67 thousand vehicles over 27 years of operation, more than three quarters of which were exported to other countries or to the republics of the USSR. Currently, the situation has not fundamentally changed. In other years, up to 68% of all products were purchased by the Russian armed forces, some went to third countries, and only 14% went to Belarus. At the same time, the production range includes not only special wheeled chassis, but also ordinary trucks MZKT-600103, which the RF Ministry of Defense will never purchase. True, the military of Belarus is not in a hurry with purchases - only the baby MZKT-500200 (analogue of the GAZ-66) was accepted into the border troops for supply. As a result, a unique enterprise has grown up in Minsk, oriented almost entirely towards export. In this case, the main buyer is the union state, which provides the lion's share of the proceeds. Maybe it would be much more logical to buy the MZKT from Alexander Lukashenko for the personal needs of the Russian army?

MZKT is not for sale!


Ten years ago, the Russian defense-industrial complex was going through a stage of consolidation of efforts. Large clusters dealing with strategic products were formed. A country that considers itself not only a regional leader, but also one of the actors in a multipolar world, is simply obliged to provide itself with a strategic weapons yourself. In this regard, MZKT clearly dropped out of the concept. The mobility of nuclear weapons has depended and still depends on the supply of products from a foreign plant. Since 2011, Dmitry Medvedev has been in unsuccessful negotiations with the Belarusian leadership on the sale of 100% of the plant's shares, or at least a controlling stake. The situation in the negotiation process was seriously aggravated by the Ukrainian history, when Russia was practically left without a whole complex of imported units. This paralyzed the domestic helicopter and shipbuilding industry for some time. Analysts in the Kremlin watched with dismay at Minsk's flirtation with foreign partners in the military-technical sphere. Also, no one canceled their anti-Russian Maidan in Belarus, the losses from which for the domestic military-industrial complex would be much larger than the Ukrainian ones. Lukashenka felt this subtly and constantly evaded the sale of the wheel tractor plant. In 2016, Dmitry Medvedev at the "Motovilikhinskiye Zavody" in Perm said in his hearts:

They sold us this MZKT for three years, but we did not agree on anything. They don’t want to sell, we don’t need to, we will establish production at KAMAZ.

Should Russia buy MZKT
Now Alexander Lukashenko has a complicated relationship with the workers of the MZKT. Photo: Nikolai Petrov / BELTA POOL / EPA-EFE

The plans were to merge factories in Naberezhnye Chelny and Minsk into one mega-holding. According to the most popular legend, Lukashenka then demanded a gigantic $ 3 billion for the Minsk plant or a controlling stake in Bashneft worth 330 million rubles. In an interview in 2016, the Belarusian leader mentioned Russian interest in four enterprises of the military-industrial complex at once and offered Moscow something similar to barter:

I say: well, you have an interest in these enterprises, we have an interest in oil production. We could extract 7-8 million tons from you.

Moscow did not even respond to such a "tempting" offer.

Finding an exit


After the actual failure of negotiations with Belarus, analysts predicted only 5-6 years for Russia to develop its MZKT-79221 missile carrier. Of course, it is very expensive and difficult to create from scratch, it is much cheaper to purchase finished products. It's 2021, but there is no information about the development of the Platform-O family, not to mention the replacement of the Minsk chassis in the regular troops. The only hope is for the cars of the Bryansk Automobile Plant, but they have so far begun to re-equip the air defense equipment of the Almaz-Antey concern.


The obsolete Volat (actually MAZ-543) is still being bought by Russia. Source: autoreview.ru

A unique situation has now emerged at the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant. First, a strong design staff has been formed, tempered by decades of developing sophisticated technology. The whole Institute of Mechanics and Reliability of Machines of the National Academy of Science of Belarus works for the needs of the enterprise. This, by the way, is worth learning in the Russian military-industrial complex. Secondly, the headquarters of MZKT managers are doing their best to diversify the production range. So, for example, a terminal tractor MZKT-730240 appears to work in ports. There are several models of armored cars in development that are not intended for Russia at all - the Belarusians are trying to get away from Russian dependence. And everything would be fine, but Alexander Lukashenko frankly spoils the story. Now he has actually driven the country into international isolation, leaving only Russia and China among partners. Why not take advantage of the situation now and make Minsk an offer that it cannot refuse? It's high time, especially since Lukashenka simply has no room for maneuver - he certainly won't dare to ask an oil company in exchange for MZKT. However, this scheme has many complications.

It was not completely clear in 2011, and five years later, how can you buy a military-industrial complex located abroad? Even on the territory of a still friendly state. Technically, everything is simple - I gave the money, and the MZKT, according to the documents, is in Russian ownership. But this is not the Mistrale helicopter carrier, it cannot be moored in the port. Where are the guarantees that the new government, who replaced Lukashenka, or even he himself will not nationalize the plant? The example of Opel, owned by General Motors, and which the Germans seized at the beginning of World War II, does not exclude such a development of events. Yes, after the war it was returned to its owners, but 160 Opel Blitz medium-duty trucks managed to serve the Wehrmacht gloriously. Therefore, the purchase of MZKT for the needs of the Russian Ministry of Defense initially looked like a gamble. Unless, of course, Moscow's plans were to slowly move the entire plant to Naberezhnye Chelny together with the design headquarters.

There is only one thing left - to develop our own production of special wheeled chassis, to educate designers, engineers and technologists of the appropriate level. If this is in principle feasible, then MZKT can only sympathize - the revival of the Russian "Platform-O" in the correct execution will actually kill the Minsk plant. Or, at best, it will turn into a small-scale subsidized atelier carrying out rare orders for exotic heavy trucks.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 26 January 2021 04: 31
    +18
    The design bureau managed to do this in just five years

    at KamAZ they have not been able to finish it for more than ten years.

    Feel the difference !
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 26 January 2021 04: 51
      -22%
      So everywhere.
      Our defense is on a leftover principle.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 39
        +10
        Quote: nsm1
        Our defense is on a leftover principle.

        Who told you such nonsense? belay
        1. nsm1
          nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 47
          +63
          For the third time I am writing here - the Omsk plant of Baranov - an aircraft engine repairman receives from 15 thousand rubles.
          Repair engineer at OGM - from 17 thous.
          This is from hh.ru, do not believe it, look for yourself.
          This directly affects the timing.
          The worst work, the convicted, the sick.
          Of course, on TV and in speeches like you it is not so, but in real life, alas and ah.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 52
            -38%
            Quote: nsm1
            For the third time I am writing here - the Omsk plant of Baranov - an aircraft engine repairman receives from 15 thousand rubles.

            so this PLANT pays
            Not MO. They only transfer money, and the plant itself decides how much and to whom to pay
            Repair engineer at OGM - from 17 thous.

            In what rank is this engineer and in what HF ​​does he serve?
            1. nsm1
              nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 55
              +40
              What difference does it make who pays?
              What matters is how much the employee gets.
              Quote: Lipchanin
              In what rank is this engineer and in what HF ​​does he serve?

              It's five!!!
              Who are you in life?
              Journalist?
              Absolutely not that they did not work, you have nothing to do with production.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 26 January 2021 06: 01
                -29%
                Quote: nsm1
                What matters is how much the employee gets.

                Whose employee?
                Who are you in life?

                Why are you interested in?
                Absolutely not that they did not work, you have nothing to do with production.

                Worked a lot
                But we are talking about
                Our defense is on a leftover principle.

                What does MO have to do with wages at the plant?
                1. nsm1
                  nsm1 26 January 2021 06: 03
                  +35
                  What is the attitude of the Ministry of Defense to the defense industry?
                  Has, but only as a customer.
                  And no, you never worked, that's for sure, otherwise there would be no questions that are not stupid, generally not in the subject.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 26 January 2021 06: 41
                    -23%
                    Quote: nsm1
                    What is the attitude of the Ministry of Defense to the defense industry?

                    Who pays the defense industry for an order?
                    Has, but only as a customer.

                    This means that MO pays for the order
                    And no, you never worked, that's for sure

                    He worked more than you and it was in the defense industry
                    , not at all in the subject.

                    And what did I write about this topic?
                    Our defense is on a leftover principle.
                    1. nsm1
                      nsm1 26 January 2021 06: 45
                      +22
                      What did you write off topic?
                      Yes, almost everything!
                      To explain this whole article to you, you need to write about the fact that they do not serve in the defense industry, but work for hire, about the structure, salaries, etc. etc.
                      I haven’t been hired for this, so I’m finishing with you.
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 26 January 2021 06: 51
                        -23%
                        Quote: nsm1
                        that they do not serve in the defense industry, but work for hire,

                        That is precisely the money for its existence it receives from the MO, since it is the MO that places its orders there.
                        And poetmou well in any way it can not exist "on the residual principle"
                        Who is the remainder of?
                        I finish with you

                        The finest morning news laughing
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 26 January 2021 09: 45
              +2
              this is for beginners - further cheating for the experience - after the conversation and so on, checking for professional fitness and .. and .. dedication. seniority is harm. awards. more and more complicated. "overregulated payroll" leads to very tricky schemes of additional payments
              1. Nick Casey
                Nick Casey 26 January 2021 21: 28
                +3
                The main sums end up in the pockets of intermediaries. I mean those who stand between the MO and the worker. And this is a pretty good sandwich or even a hamburger, from all kinds of holdings that don't produce anything to effective managers.
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 26 January 2021 21: 46
                  +1
                  I agree - they bear the burden of tolerance and transparency. strictly according to ISO9001.
                  if you pay a lot to ordinary specialists, the partners will refuse the status of a "country with a market economy"
            3. Old tanker
              Old tanker 26 January 2021 10: 44
              +27
              The fact of the matter is that the Defense Ministry pays for the final product of a defense enterprise. And with the arrival of Shoigu, he tries to pay as little as possible. The military representatives remove entire articles from the final budget. Often it turns out that the company surrenders its products at a loss, and in order to pay salaries, it has to take loans. And this often leads to non-payment of salaries on time. And there is no question of high salaries. And this is just a small fraction of the financial problems.
              For those who decide to throw slippers: my wife is an accountant at a defense plant.
              1. zenion
                zenion 26 January 2021 17: 10
                +7
                Old tanker. In the early 60s, he worked on a mailbox. From the military there was a representative of the customer. No more military. The Army paid. For some product they did not fulfill the plan and requirements, no one received an award and the like. A month later, everything was done as the customer wanted, additional payments to each bonus, engineers. So much money came in that the factory started building houses for workers.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 26 January 2021 17: 30
                  +2
                  Well, you would still remember the times of state-owned factories under the tsar-father.
                  Times are not the same now and the economy is completely different.
                  1. zenion
                    zenion 26 January 2021 17: 32
                    -8
                    So the Great Patriotic War was unfair. Hitler will come to order, will he restore it?
                  2. gsev
                    gsev 27 January 2021 21: 52
                    +4
                    Quote: Old Tankman
                    Times are not the same now and the economy is completely different.

                    The times under Stalin, Yeltsin and Putin do not differ much. Always, in order to achieve more efficiency from a subordinate, he needs to be morally and financially stimulated. Stalin understood that only foreign capitalists could take his life, from whom he would not be saved by great humiliation or the country's high defense capability. Before the war, a Stakhanovite worker who raised productivity several times received a salary worthy of the result. Therefore Gudov I.I. I worked for two designers, three technologists, a storekeeper, a purchasing manager for equipment, and probably one and a half or two milling operators. He managed to find in the warehouse an unimplemented rotary table bought from abroad, figured out its principle of operation, equipped his milling machine with this device and increased productivity several times. But I suppose his salary was higher than that of the director of his plant and his minister. And now at the Moscow aviation plant there is only one designer for the repair and maintenance of machine tools of the entire plant on which the selection of components hangs, their integration into the machine and the design of all machine tools. Instead, he is instructed by half a dozen higher-paid bosses. Therefore, there are problems with the development of serial production of new equipment under Putin and their absence under Stalin. Foreign CNC machines, when used at modern aircraft factories in Russia, are known to give less accuracy than special Soviet machine tools and do not allow to maintain the tolerances that aircraft designers are used to setting, although their requirements are not as stringent as in the USA, Europe and Japan. Yeltsin saw the communists and "red directors" as his enemy, so his party spread rot industry as much as it could. The siloviki under Putin are also unwilling to share power and influence in favor of production.
              2. Martian
                Martian 28 January 2021 14: 43
                -5
                Shoigu needs money for villas and women generals !!! Do you feel sorry for the last crumbs to give to the golden toilets?
                1. Popov I.P.
                  Popov I.P. April 26 2021 18: 59
                  0
                  Don't be nonsense. What kind of women were generals under Shoigu? Throughout the history of the USSR Armed Forces and the RF Armed Forces, only 2 women received the military rank of "Major General": V.V. Tereshkova (cosmonaut, retired for a long time) and E.G. Knyazeva. (Deputy Head of the Military University of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for educational and scientific work, received the title under AE Serdyukov, probably in reserve, since 1958). Do not confuse military ranks and class ranks of the state civil service. Under Shoigu, the number of women in the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decreased three times. Go to the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation, Rospotrebnadzor, Rostekhnadzor, Rosselkhoznadzor and other supervisors, there are many more women in different uniforms and with shoulder straps than in the RF Ministry of Defense, but this does not mean that they are generals or colonels.
            4. nerovnayadoroga
              nerovnayadoroga 26 January 2021 17: 55
              +13
              OGM department of the chief mechanic, 15 thousand rubles, a little more than $ 100, it is not the plant that decides, the OWNER of this plant with a handful of shareholders, sometimes !!!
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 26 January 2021 20: 22
                -3
                Quote: nerovnayadoroga
                OGM department of the chief mechanic, 15 thousand rubles, a little more than $ 100, it is not the plant that decides, the OWNER of this plant with a handful of shareholders, sometimes !!!

                The owner of this plant is the Russian Federation .... what did you want to say next?
                1. gsev
                  gsev 27 January 2021 21: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  The owner of this plant is the Russian Federation .... what did you want to say next?

                  When the Bolsheviks tried to simply introduce workers' control at the enterprises, the directors and owners most often abandoned production, waiting, according to Ryabushinsky, "when the bony hand of starvation" would pacify the rebellious slave. And Ilyich and his comrades had to nationalize industry.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 27 January 2021 22: 50
                    -1
                    Quote: gsev
                    When the Bolsheviks tried to simply introduce workers' control at the enterprises, the directors and owners most often abandoned production, waiting, according to Ryabushinsky, "when the bony hand of starvation" would pacify the rebellious slave. And Ilyich and his comrades had to nationalize industry.

                    If you are quoting, then you have read the relevant literature for this "+", the very knowledge of the history of the CPSU (b) is fragmentary (probably to my shame, since this is the history of my country) ...
                    1. gsev
                      gsev 27 January 2021 23: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      If you quote

                      To be honest, the quote is contrived. Ryabushinsky said something like that on a slightly different occasion and during the reign of Kerensky. This is just a school history textbook with careful reading and comprehension. It is simply impossible to manage an enterprise a little without completely keeping it under control and from outside. The strength of management in Europe lies in the correct distribution of powers. In Russia, power often falls to those who are unable to use it. The current system has proven its perniciousness since 1991 compared to the Bolshevik, but no one knows how to change it.
            5. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 26 January 2021 20: 18
              +3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              so this PLANT pays
              Not MO. They only transfer money, and the plant itself decides how much and to whom to pay

              Well, you are so stubborn Lipchanin (Sergey), the person wanted to say that the hard worker on the "mailbox" no one and most of the employees work there under civil law contracts, respectively, they receive d / s from the moment of signing the Act on the work performed, all profits are accumulated on the salary of the administration and the director of the enterprise .. . from here and the inverted sensors at the enterprise "ROSCOSMOSA" ...
              In what rank is this engineer and in what HF ​​does he serve?

              You better not write this at all ...
          2. evgen1221
            evgen1221 26 January 2021 07: 16
            +25
            Assembler of aerospace vehicles-us $ 1500 per month, RF $ 350 per month NASA director $ 14500 per month, Roscosmos director $ 97500 per month
            1. mister-red
              mister-red 26 January 2021 11: 35
              +25
              Quote: evgen1221
              Director of Roskosmos $ 97500 per month

              The salary of the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin is 29,5 million rubles a year (460 thousand dollars). This is a year. It turns out $ 38 thousand per month
              This is a lot, but still you don't need to lie.
              1. evgen1221
                evgen1221 26 January 2021 11: 58
                0
                I apologize for the misinformation - are you satisfied with the order of numbers?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 26 January 2021 14: 57
                  +6
                  And you are not confused by this question
                  Quote: evgen1221
                  I apologize for the misinformation - are you satisfied with the order of numbers?

                  The figures you quoted do not stand up to criticism.
                  What does "digit order" mean?
                  +/- 1000%?
                  Quote: evgen1221
                  Assembler of aerospace vehicles-usa 1500 $ month,

                  Did you mean the garbage collector?
                2. Non liberoid Russian
                  Non liberoid Russian 27 January 2021 13: 59
                  0
                  lies alone no longer inspire confidence in the author of the opus. like everything else
                3. mister-red
                  mister-red 11 February 2021 23: 11
                  0
                  Quote: evgen1221
                  I apologize for the misinformation - are you satisfied with the order of numbers?

                  I'm not from Russia, no matter how my business.
            2. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 26 January 2021 17: 22
              +3
              Assembler of aerospace vehicles-usa 1500 $ month,
              At the checkout of the supermarket there they pay about the same, that is, a little. The scavenger is already more than 2 thousand. But they don't cry too much and everything works / flies for them as it should.
            3. gsev
              gsev 27 January 2021 22: 02
              +1
              Quote: evgen1221
              Assembler of aerospace vehicles-usa 1500 $ per month

              An intelligent electrician in Austria is about 3000-4000 Euro, a guard in a refugee camp is about 1500 Euro.
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 26 January 2021 09: 06
            +5
            For that kind of money, a tire collector won't work here.
          4. A1845
            A1845 26 January 2021 11: 00
            +13
            Quote: nsm1
            an aircraft engine repairman receives from 15 thous.

            bicycle courier earns more
            a shame fool
            1. gsev
              gsev 27 January 2021 22: 08
              +1
              Quote: A1845
              bicycle courier earns more

              A courier from Kyrgyzstan for delivering pizza has about 50 rubles in the Moscow region. designer for machine tools and tooling at an aircraft plant in Moscow, 000 thousand less. It is this imbalance that degrades the industry. In early 10, Uzbek machine operators in South Korea were paid about $ 2000 a month.
          5. pvs512
            pvs512 30 January 2021 06: 57
            0
            do not confuse salary and total salary. The bonus is usually 100% of the salary, if not screwed up.
      2. Far B
        Far B 26 January 2021 05: 46
        +21
        And we have everything according to the residual principle. Except for yachts and palaces. By the way, against the background of everything else, our defense industry is still holding on. Well, how's it going ...
        1. nsm1
          nsm1 26 January 2021 05: 49
          +24
          The oil industry is more or less holding on, Gazprom ...
          And mechanical engineering is out (not oil)
          1. Far B
            Far B 26 January 2021 05: 55
            +24
            The oil industry is more or less holding on, Gazprom
            Because just with an eye on the construction of palaces and yachts laughing Well this is a national priority!
        2. zenion
          zenion 26 January 2021 17: 13
          0
          So they would write - they hold on to it, but the hand slips. Already two will not hold out.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 26 January 2021 07: 02
      +14
      Russia, at least in the defense industry, should be a self-sufficient country. To create a new platform on the basis of BAZ, it will be cheaper and work for your workers is also a necessary thing.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 26 January 2021 08: 39
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        Russia, at least in the defense industry, should be a self-sufficient country. On the basis of BAZ, create a new platform, cheaper ...

        Go already to start doing something in the implementation of the unification of Russia and Belarus ...
        Should Russia buy MZKT
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 26 January 2021 08: 43
          0
          Go

          Or
          (ocher)
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 January 2021 09: 24
      +11
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      The design bureau managed to do this in just five years

      at KamAZ they have not been able to finish it for more than ten years.

      Feel the difference !

      I just want to say "The party said it is necessary, the people answered - YES!"
      How many unique solutions have been implemented, not only MZKT in five years. Satovsky created a walking excavator in 8 months with his team in 1948. And a lot of things were created from scratch and in a short time. Now this is the most pressing task, which is difficult to implement.
    4. JD1979
      JD1979 26 January 2021 15: 01
      +16
      And why bring to mind, if at the very process you can earn))) 10 years a very good cow milked.
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Feel the difference !

      And you feel the difference between personal responsibility then and - "well, I didn’t shmogla", let's try again, now)))
      PS: Headhunting? don't know !! ))) and you won’t know, while the designers will receive 15-20 and the managers for the layout of the kerchief during working hours for 120. If there were normal salaries in the design bureau, MZKT would have moved to Russia long ago, but you have what you have.
      1. zenion
        zenion 26 January 2021 17: 18
        +2
        Mark Twain wrote about congressmen who complained about low salaries and took bribes, that low salaries were not a reason to steal. Just imagine a surgeon receiving a small salary. Surgery to remove the appendix. I cut my stomach and that's it, I have already worked for my salary. You will sew it up yourself, or you will pay for everything. If you pay, we'll cut it out and sew the belly. But such things don't work in the defense industry.
        1. gsev
          gsev 27 January 2021 22: 16
          0
          Quote: zenion
          If you pay, we'll cut it out and sew up the belly. But such things don't work in the defense industry.

          In Russia, a smart and beautiful girl is still striving for a medical institute or a medical school. Therefore, in medicine, low salaries are successfully passed. But few people go to engineers. When the owner needs to find an engineer for the modernization of equipment in 5 days, so as not to lose a contract for 5 million, he becomes more accommodating and is ready to pay a daily European salary or at least a third of it.
    5. MALUTA_2
      MALUTA_2 1 February 2021 09: 20
      0
      On Kamaz, only loot can be washed.
  2. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 26 January 2021 04: 33
    +15
    It makes no sense to buy it yourself. It won't take long to nationalize it back.

    Production is always better at home than not at home.
    1. Dread
      Dread 26 January 2021 04: 53
      +2
      You have to buy while you don't have your own!
      And at the same time -
      develop the development and production of special wheeled chassis, educate designers, engineers and technologists of the appropriate level. No other is given! "Time is against us."
      1. bayard
        bayard 26 January 2021 06: 59
        +13
        We must return to the idea of ​​creating a joint mega-holding with a controlling stake in Russia.
        That is, you have to pay extra.
        And work at two sites in cooperation.
        And in general, it is necessary to recreate a single state ... only this is apparently a task for a completely different government ...
    2. nnm
      nnm 26 January 2021 07: 00
      +16
      Quite right. Our banks, Yandex services, 1C in Ukraine were banned in 1 day. And the plant does not even need to be nationalized - to impose duties on components, put pressure on internal subcontractors and that's it, it turns out that it will stand up.
      Definitely, we need domestic production both from the point of view of security and from the point of development of our own economy.
      1. zenion
        zenion 26 January 2021 17: 19
        +2
        If your own, then the plant needs to be built from scratch in the Urals.
      2. Alexga
        Alexga 26 January 2021 19: 00
        +3
        With banks, you are not entirely right, only in Kiev there are about 30 branches of the subsidiary bank of Sberbank of the Russian Federation.
        1. nnm
          nnm 26 January 2021 19: 06
          +4
          You are both right and wrong. This is no longer a bank, but a feeder for the impudent Ukraine. Sberbank has been trying to sell its daughter since 2017, and the NBU has rejected all buyers' applications over and over again. At the same time, the daughter is fined hundreds of millions of rubles for "risky investments." And it turns out - we won't let you work, we won't let you sell, but leave everything to us for free and go in all four directions.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 26 January 2021 19: 11
            +3
            Probably, this suits Gref. Although, the owner of Sberbank is already the Government of the Russian Federation.
            1. nnm
              nnm 26 January 2021 19: 18
              +4
              Well, it's better we finance the Ukrainian government, in their opinion, and not open branches in Crimea.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 26 January 2021 08: 44
      +14
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      It makes no sense to buy it yourself. It won't take long to nationalize it back.

      But the Chinese are buying. And they transfer technologies to their country (they begin to produce the same on the tracing paper). It's cheaper and easier than developing from scratch.
      1. zenion
        zenion 26 January 2021 18: 20
        +1
        Do they produce it at their factories, or only from paper? Exactly how the bridge to the Crimea was built?
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 27 January 2021 11: 05
        -1
        So technology is buying or land, walls and workers?

        Russia has both capacities and engineers. But there is no know-how on the MZKT. And if there are any little things, they will come to Russia with the workers.
      3. gsev
        gsev 27 January 2021 22: 22
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        But the Chinese are buying.

        In the PRC, this is a very costly and laborious process. The Tai'an company masters the production of frequency converters, hires Korean development specialists. But this production survives only thanks to the will of the leaders of the coal industry who finance scientific and technical developments at the cost of the poverty of the miners. In the PRC, a talented design engineer is also in short supply. But QMA relies on its own forces, trying, unlike Tai'an, to buy Chinese components instead of foreign ones. Therefore, the line of converters is wider and the prices are lower. And the QMA software, when determining the temperature in the power modules, gives the same error with the Tai'an converters.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 04: 34
    +13
    Maybe it would be much more logical to buy the MZKT from Alexander Lukashenko for the personal needs of the Russian army?

    As always, political risks are dangerous here ... the authorities in Belarus may suddenly change and the work of the MZKT, if somehow bought by Russia, may be blocked by the new authorities and nothing can be done about it ... foreign territory.
    Burned once in Ukraine ... it's not worth repeating old mistakes again.
    Therefore, we need to build our factories in the center of Russia ... preferably in places where it is necessary to develop remote territories with all the accompanying infrastructure, a railway, housing, servants and other other things ... just like that. You need to invest in the development of your own country and not someone else's.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 26 January 2021 04: 56
      0
      Those. to make production gold initially?) This is a military-industrial complex. A vacuum cleaner of state funds without such gigantic construction projects. I understand your point, but there are other important things to be considered, like buying such an object in Belarus is a waste of money. It is necessary to take away intellectual assets there. And only them.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 04
        +18
        But there are other important things to be considered. Like buying a similar object in Belarus is a waste of money. It is necessary to take away intellectual assets there. And only them.

        What will intellectual assets give you without means of production?
        Production on its territory means jobs, taxes, a guarantee of employment for the population and peace of mind for the authorities from riots ... so you need to invest in your country if you do not want further riots and popular unrest, we already went through all this at the beginning of the last century.
        I will never support the Russian government if it does not invest in the development of Russia's infrastructure, in the development of production, agriculture, science, education, etc. ... I am more concerned about the well-being of my country and not someone else's.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 January 2021 05: 13
          -7
          I'm not saying that you shouldn't invest. But this must be done in objects that, at least in theory, are capable of making a profit. Nobody does this for the military-industrial complex. As for the intellectual property, this plant is not the most high-tech and I doubt very much that there is something so exclusive that it is impossible to repeat it in our factories. They are scratching at the platform. . and I'll see why. We went too far along the path of complete novelty. But if you add their design bureaus to this program, this will obviously speed things up.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 26 January 2021 06: 06
            +7
            Initially, we followed the path of what we do not have (do not produce). Hence the problems of this platform.
            1. D16
              D16 26 January 2021 13: 01
              +2
              Initially, we followed the path of what we do not have (do not produce).

              Because there is no need to urgently produce what is produced in Belarus ourselves. The copy of the ancient tractor has no market prospects.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 26 January 2021 17: 02
                +2
                I disagree. Recent trends show that it is impossible to cooperate with foreign states and production in the military-industrial complex. And MZKT is actually a foreign enterprise.
                1. D16
                  D16 26 January 2021 18: 27
                  +1
                  MZKT is actually a foreign enterprise.

                  I don’t deny it. But if the rearmament took place and new machines are not needed yet, then why duplicate the production of mammoth poop? You can safely start fine-tuning and organizing the production of a promising new generation machine. This is what Remdizel does.
          2. D16
            D16 26 January 2021 12: 54
            0
            To accept for trial operation and organize serial production, these are two big differences. Moreover, the rearmament of the Strategic Missile Forces is already coming to an end and there is no particular need for new vehicles for the PGRK. They change missiles, not tractors. When the next stage will take place is unknown. At least while the treaty is in force. We have not heard anything about the "Platform" because it is not a priority. Even if MZKT stops working today, new tractors for the PGRK will not be needed soon. Therefore, there is no such ravine as with shipboard power plants and people have the opportunity to calmly bring the car to mind, organize production and further operation. All of the above is purely IMHO.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 41
          -1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Production on its territory means jobs, taxes, a guarantee of employment for the population and peace of mind for the authorities from riots ... so you need to invest in your country if you do not want further riots and popular unrest, we already went through all this at the beginning of the last century.

          This is what we should strive for. This includes the fight against sanctions
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 39
      -6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      .the power in Belarus may suddenly change and the work of the MZKT, if somehow bought by Russia, may be blocked by the new authorities and

      Yes easily
      Where are the guarantees that the new government that replaced Lukashenka, or even he himself, will not nationalize the plant?
    3. sgrabik
      sgrabik 26 January 2021 09: 57
      +1
      MZKT to buy out for reasonable money and take it to Russia.
    4. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 January 2021 12: 57
      +9
      About mastering, you got excited. For example, we have some other sites from the former rather large factories with empty or half-empty workshops. There is water, there is heat, there is electricity / energy, people live, but they are strained with work.
    5. Alf
      Alf 26 January 2021 19: 09
      +4
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is necessary to invest in the development of your country and not someone else's.

      Now Vadik237 will come running and popularly explain to all the dull ones that it is not profitable to produce anything in Russia, without mentioning whose efforts.
    6. gsev
      gsev 27 January 2021 22: 30
      -1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      our factories in the center of Russia ... preferably in places where it is necessary to develop remote territories

      How much will you give a specialist to move there from Moscow, Bombay, Shanghai or California? Even under Stalin, they were found only through repression and dispossession.
      1. stepet
        stepet 27 January 2021 22: 41
        -5
        Quote: gsev
        How much will you give a specialist to move there from Moscow, Bombay, Shanghai or California? Even under Stalin, they were found only through repression and dispossession.

        The Chinese somehow manage without repression.
        Money.
        Dzhugashvili was just greedy. I didn't want to pay people money.
        From this and such a deplorable result that was.
        At the end of 1942 (just 10 years after the fake industrialization), the USSR buried itself in its technological limit. And if it were not for the supply of obscuration from the United States, starting in 1943 the Red Army would have had nothing to fight with.
        1. gsev
          gsev 27 January 2021 23: 25
          +1
          Quote: stepet
          I didn't want to pay people money.
          From this and such a deplorable result that was.

          The aircraft designer, worker Stakhanovite, and test pilot were better off than the Stalinist ministers, the people's commissars. Read the memoirs of Golovanov, how much he received as a civil aviation pilot and how much Stalin could offer him as a commander of an air regiment. Not everything is worth money. In Soviet times, a place on the market was worth a ruble, if no one collected money after 6 pm, but it was possible to sell 6 bouquets of gladioli at 3-5 rubles per bouquet. This is the weekly salary of an engineer per day. But then it was not something that is not prestigious, but humiliating.
          1. stepet
            stepet 27 January 2021 23: 46
            -3
            Quote: gsev
            Not everything is worth money.

            In the USSR, then?
            Yes, in the USSR it was still necessary to have access to special distributors.
            Quote: gsev
            But then it was not something that is not prestigious, but humiliating.

            Not at all.
            But it's risky.
            They could easily have been jailed for parasitism and speculation.
            1. gsev
              gsev 28 January 2021 09: 14
              0
              Quote: stepet
              But it's risky.

              For what percentage of profits, according to Marx, a businessman will not be scared by the gallows? And the Soviet markets offered income 400% more than the salary of a Ukrainian worker.
  4. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 26 January 2021 04: 36
    +15
    Well, of course, you shouldn't rely on Old Man, and who will be after him and how relations with Russia will be built there is completely unknown.
    But the problem is not in the MZKT, but in our incompetence, nepotism and theft. We need to put things in order at home, and not rely on uncle. I would like to believe that after 2014, this simple thought has finally visited the inhabitants of the RF Ministry of Defense.
  5. nsm1
    nsm1 26 January 2021 04: 48
    +1
    Unless, of course, Moscow's plans were to slowly transport the entire plant to Naberezhnye Chelny together with the design staff.
    Yep, get a whole spy nest right by your side!
    People with a clever look are carrying utter crap ...
    Sometimes I think - maybe Stalin was right about something ...
    There is only one thing left - to develop our own production of special wheeled chassis, to educate designers, engineers and technologists of the appropriate level.
    And there are no other alternatives, there never was and never will be.
    Only its.
    It is highly desirable completely without imported components.
    1. gsev
      gsev 27 January 2021 23: 34
      -1
      Quote: nsm1
      Yep, get a whole spy nest right by your side!
      People with a clever look are carrying utter crap ...

      Such costs are inevitable when mastering other people's achievements or entering a foreign market. The Chinese sent me drawings of some products and a list of used components for a simple promise to carefully study the possibility of selling their products or certification in Russia. And sometimes they themselves imposed a list of the best firms producing components for certain types of products in order to convince them of the quality of the products offered. When the USSR tried to master the technology and techniques for designing Japanese CNC, a list of produced and designed microcircuits was sent to Japan, and then samples of circuits interesting for the Japanese. But due to the intrigues of the then KGB (games of secrecy), such information was not available to most CNC designers in the USSR.
  6. apro
    apro 26 January 2021 04: 58
    -9
    What is the article about ??? yes nothing ... pouring empty into empty.
    There is no clear goal-setting in Moscow, but in Minsk there is, and the strength to move it.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 08
      +2
      but in Minsk there is. and the strength to move it.

      And what are these powers? smile Do not list them ... not really Tikhanovskaya and her associates with the owners in Poland and Lithuania?
      1. apro
        apro 26 January 2021 05: 15
        +6
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        not really Tikhanovskaya and her associates with the owners?

        Why do you need Lyokha ??? and what's the difference ... Belarus is a sovereign country. And this is recognized by the Russian Federation. Union state buried long ago by Moscow. There are no common goals. There is no future joint either. By and large, the two states are not connected in any way. A different economic structure. ideology.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 23
          +6
          Belarus is a sovereign country. And it is recognized by the Russian Federation. The union state has long been buried by Moscow. There are no common goals. There is no future joint either. By and large, the two states are not connected in any way. A different structure of the economy. Ideology.

          There is a difference ... you are not enough stubborn Nazis in Ukraine ... you do not want to get the same in Belarus ... there is also a direct connection, these are family ties, economic, military ... even political. Of course, Belarus is a sovereign country like Poland for the United States and we absolutely do not need to break ties with Belarus ... but this does not mean that we have to fulfill all the whims of the Belarusian authorities for free ... you have to pay for everything.
          1. apro
            apro 26 January 2021 05: 32
            -2
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            a little you stubborn Nazis in Ukraine ... you do not want to get the same in Belarus.

            What they successfully cope with in Moscow. They do everything that would be so.
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            We don't need to break ties with Belarus.

            Yes??? what the Russians have been doing successfully and doing for the last 30 years ...
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            but this does not mean that we have to fulfill all the whims of the Belarusian authorities for free ... you have to pay for everything.

            The golden words of the Russian patriot. All for the grandmother. Only feedback in this case is available. These words have been amusing me for many years. How the Russians fed. They feed ..... insert the necessary countries according to the situation. And did you try to feed? And the price is correct to install ... otherwise it turns out that apart from the babos, the Russians have nothing to offer. no general vector of development. no bright future. no safe present.
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 39
              +8
              all for the money. only and feedback in this case is available. These words have been making me laugh for many years.

              Well, you didn’t fall from the moon ... of course for the money ... you will have a lot of fun when you learn how the Chinese communists do business abroad ... all for the money and nothing else ... Russians learn well from their mistakes, unfortunately.
              1. apro
                apro 26 January 2021 05: 47
                -4
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                Well, you didn't fall from the moon ... of course for the money

                And if you haven't bought it for money yet. You don't owe anything. Until you have offered an adequate price. And there is no need to talk.
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 52
                  +8
                  until they offered an adequate price. and there is nothing to talk about.
                  The stump is clear ... Luka wants to have a lot of things from Russia for free ... the beetle is good ... so they forgave him a lot ... it's time to end with such a friendship.
                  1. apro
                    apro 26 January 2021 05: 54
                    -6
                    Quote: Lech from Android.
                    it's time to end with such a friendship

                    We finished so long ago ... in 1991.
                    1. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 26 January 2021 08: 06
                      +7
                      Those. there is a hope that the lard dollars that Luke owes, he will give back? In the near future ? A day, two, a month? ... will buy resources on the market and will pay customs for its trade (in the RF) to the RF budget ..?
                      1. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 12: 37
                        0
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Those. there is hope

                        Of course there is. We live in a state governed by the rule of law. If something goes wrong, you need to go to the magistrate's court.
                      2. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 12: 41
                        +1
                        When will they decide to sue without us ... my comment referred to the fact that Belarus does not live at the expense of the Russian Federation .... And if it doesn’t live, then where does the debt for the lard come from, that so wants the prices of resources at Russian prices? And so on .. they are square! Not a single outlet to the sea, not a single useful resource (besides peat), there is nothing to sell on the world market to make money (really for life), the world market is closed for it, etc. .. such a territory cannot be economically viable ..
                      3. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 12: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        my comment related to the fact that Belarus does not live at the expense of the Russian Federation.

                        This is the first comment on a Qo that opposes the mainstream opinion.
                      4. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 12: 53
                        +3
                        Honestly, I did not understand the idea of ​​your answer .. I have always argued that the territory called Belarus is not economically viable ... and all this is independence, this is unreal stupidity, the first opponent of integration with the Russian Federation is Luka .. such a power-hungry person that we will never part in the world with power .. I think that only on pain of death (real) he can give up power ..
                      5. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 12: 54
                        0
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        I have always argued that the territory called Belarus is not economically viable ..

                        Quote: vitvit123
                        my comment referred to the fact that Belarus does not live at the expense of the Russian Federation ...

                        Then I do not understand.
                      6. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 12: 59
                        +4
                        As far as I understand, you wrote that the friendship for material wealth ended in 91 .. I disagree with you (it turns out) and say that the territory of Belarus exists partially (I don’t know exactly what percentage, but vital) at the expense of the Russian Federation. If the Russian Federation in one way or another did not subsidize the economy of Belarus, then it would no longer exist or it would be under a protectorate ...
                      7. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 13: 12
                        0
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        If the Russian Federation in one way or another did not subsidize the economy of Belarus, then it would no longer exist or it would be under a protectorate ...

                        Once again, I don’t understand why the Russians are feeding Belarus ??? as you say ...
                      8. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 13: 34
                        +4
                        In the hope of someday to connect .., this time, well, and secondly, because they do not want to exacerbate the situation and release influence from the orbit, as it happened with the cover .. they do not want to connect by force, and it is not necessary, time goes by the future, there may be different alignments, political will ... well, this is my primitive thinking .. the people are one (I think the majority) and we should be together .. my mother-in-law is Belarusian, by the way .. though ... but where- well go.
                      9. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 13: 46
                        -3
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Hoping to someday add ..,

                        That is, to buy Belarus? For a little bit ... but the Belarusians need it? Or the opinion of the Indians is not interested in the sheriff?
                      10. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 14: 19
                        +2
                        Well, the opinion of the people is very easy to direct any channel, so this is not a problem .. well, of course, the Belarusians will need it, when the gut is empty, the head immediately begins to understand who depends on whom ... and no one will buy it, no one is going to pay money for that .. there are two options: wait for the ruler of this territory who, for a warm forever secured life in the Russian Federation, agrees to join, or try through the Ukrainian scenario ... so you, I see, accentuate that they are independent etc. , but you understand that such territories (Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) do not have and will not have any independence, and if you don’t understand, then I am powerless ..
                      11. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 14: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        But you understand that such territories (Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) do not and will not have any independence, and if you don’t understand, then I’m powerless ..

                        How so no ???? regularly send the Russian Federation on an erotic journey. And do not steal. Just independent from the Russian Federation. This is yes.

                        Quote: vitvit123
                        for a warm forever secured life in the Russian Federation,

                        That would not hurt the Russians either ..
                      12. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 14: 38
                        +3
                        Well, about erotic travel is not entirely correct, this is all thanks to the peaceful attitude of the Russian Federation .. well, all this has already happened in history, this is a transfusion from empty to empty. Where are they sending? Who sent whom with kryi? Here the true power is immediately visible, and you mean cheap provocations .. how Crimea will be taken away from us, then you will be right .. The Russian Federation can do whatever it wants with these territories, just why? ... you need to do what is appropriate. Just watch the story, everything is clearly shown who is where and in what roles ..
                      13. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 14: 50
                        0
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Who sent whom with kryi?

                        Of the listed stran.kto that Crimea recognized the territory of the Russian Federation ???
                        The Russian Federation does not have a clear plan of what to do in the post-Soviet space. And from this throwing. This is integration, then trade wars and import substitution. And so the last 30 years. Peacefulness is not necessary. Russian capitalists have only loot on their mind. And it decides. urapatriots ..
                      14. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 14: 54
                        +2
                        And Russia is asking for something recognition? What are you talking about ? Russia on the rights of the strong, on the rights of the owner did what she saw fit .... and just in case Russia does not ask for recognition! Loot is on everyone's mind and you too! .. that's the way a person is! But we have already left the topic ... do not get sick ...
                      15. apro
                        apro 26 January 2021 14: 55
                        0
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        But we have already left the topic ... do not get sick ...

                        And you don't have to cough ..
                      16. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 16: 10
                        0
                        By the way, about the cough ... I was vaccinated with a companion v, so if I don't "bark" you can safely vaccinate
                      17. shahor
                        shahor 26 January 2021 18: 18
                        0
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        if not "bark" you can safely vaccinate

                        Health to you. Don't bark. Write your memoirs - how I put on the crown.
                      18. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 26 January 2021 20: 36
                        0
                        How do I know whether it was screwed up or not? ... time will tell .. well, the fact that the satellite v does not die immediately from the vaccine is for sure. I have a lot of friends, a paranoid state manifests itself when it is mentioned about vaccination ...
  7. shahor
    shahor 26 January 2021 18: 13
    0
    Quote: vitvit123
    that the territory called Belarus is not economically viable ...

    You are wrong. It is not the territory of Belarus that is insolvent - the economic system built by dad is insolvent. Rather, the conserved absence of such.
  8. vitvit123
    vitvit123 26 January 2021 20: 33
    0
    There cannot be another, so they are one and the same ..
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  • sgrabik
    sgrabik 26 January 2021 10: 01
    +1
    What nonsense you are talking about, Minsk now depends on Moscow much more than ever before.
  • smart fellow
    smart fellow 26 January 2021 05: 41
    0
    It is quite logical that Lukashenka proposed to change the MZKT for oil. If the government changes in Belarus and nationalizes the plant, then the controlling stake can be taken away in return. So-so offer to sell a laying hen with golden eggs.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 45
    -3
    Why not take advantage of the situation now and make Minsk an offer that it cannot refuse

    It's tempting of course ...
    But what the hell is not joking, maybe it will slip through
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 January 2021 05: 53
      +5
      But what the hell is not joking, maybe it will slip through
      Lukashenko will slip through if you put him on a hot frying pan with sizzling butter and potatoes.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 January 2021 05: 56
        -1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Lukashenko will slip through if you put him on a hot frying pan with sizzling butter and potatoes.

        Will press, he will sit down yes
        hi
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 26 January 2021 17: 25
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Lukashenko will slip through if you put him on a hot frying pan with sizzling butter and potatoes.

        In five minutes there will be no oil, no potatoes, no frying pan, no gas on which it was heated. And there will be only AHL asking for the next frying pan as part of helping the fraternal people. smile
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 26 January 2021 06: 26
      +13
      Will press, he will sit down
      I just can't get it - why was Yanukovych thrown into an empty space and no one remembers? And the toad presses the same 3lyarda behind the MZKT? Well, at least according to the Chinese method as with Motor Sich? Documentation and engineers here, and let the plant work there. Knock up the country's leadership (whoever comes there) - will be left without orders, will receive a melon from the workers.
      And by the way, yes, I confirm. At the Baranov plant, that's exactly what they get. I left there on free bread precisely because of salary. For a minute, a turner and a milling cutter of the 6th grade with a higher education in metalworking
      1. D16
        D16 26 January 2021 13: 33
        0
        Why was Yanukovych thrown into the empty space and no one remembers?

        Because no one threw any money. They just re-registered the debt, which at that time Ukraine was unable to repay. Only as they could not give it away, they cannot (now they don’t want to, since they were allowed to throw it in London.). Lukashenka’s debts will be the same. The Chinese in the history of Motor Sich also remained at a broken trough. They were also allowed to be thrown laughing .
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 26 January 2021 13: 38
          +3
          Because no one threw any money. They just re-registered the debt, which at that time Ukraine was unable to repay.
          As far as I remember, it was not so. They promised 15 lards, managed to charge only 3. Then Janek unscrewed and the tranches were stopped.
          1. D16
            D16 26 January 2021 14: 55
            0
            They promised 15. But this money also included old debts reissued in London. Because the Ukrainians were very surprised that there is a debt, but there is no money laughing
        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 26 January 2021 13: 45
          +4
          Lukashenka’s debts will be the same.
          He will not pay for debts.
          from the article: According to the most popular legend, Lukashenko then demanded a giant $ 3 billion for the Minsk plant or a controlling stake in Bashneft
          True, this is only according to legend wassat Rather, the KAMAZ lobby pushed through the OCD, ours thought that the Urals and Kamaz were enough for competition, but all OCDs with us are money-sucking with unpredictable results. (or rather, with predictable - things are still there)
          1. D16
            D16 26 January 2021 15: 21
            0
            but all okr we have is a money sucker with an unpredictable result. (or rather, with predictable - things are still there)

            This is the case everywhere. In principle, it is not possible in another way. What we see is the tip of the iceberg. But nevertheless, the "Platform" was accepted for trial operation and while the preparation of serial production is underway, it is slowly brought to mind. As was the case with the Su57, for example. PGRKs are practically re-equipped, there is no need for the production of new complexes. Accordingly, there is no urgent need for the "Platform O". Here the Ministry of Defense acted quite logically. It makes no sense to buy MZKT, or kill, spoiling the relationship, copying their car. The production of an ancient tractor unit makes no commercial sense.
        3. gsev
          gsev 27 January 2021 22: 40
          +1
          Quote: D16
          The Chinese in the history of Motor Sich also remained at a broken trough.

          It is difficult to check whether the Chinese are positive or negative. They are not going to revive the aircraft industry in Ukraine. They needed to voice their desire for certain contacts with leading designers who were able to calculate new equipment. If about five designers come to the PRC and create a Chinese school there, $ 3 will pay off. Now is not 000 and no one lets foreign intelligence officers communicate with designers in order to lure them to a foreign country under simple promises of investment.
  • lelik613
    lelik613 26 January 2021 06: 18
    +6
    Of course it is, but at the expense of the debts of Belarus.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 26 January 2021 06: 36
    +5
    even if you buy MZKT our managers will ruin all the work there
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  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 January 2021 06: 38
    +3
    This is backfired with the problems of the Union when production was scattered across the Union republics, and the collapse of the USSR was not expected. But what to say about what happened. Of course, the best option is your own production, which will require industrial space and high costs and specialists.
    I say: well, you have an interest in these enterprises, we have an interest in oil production. We could extract 7-8 million tons from you.
    Moscow did not even respond to such a "tempting" offer.
    And what to answer to the one who considers himself the most cunning. It was only when it got hot for help that I ran to Russia.
  • svp67
    svp67 26 January 2021 07: 16
    +7
    Should Russia buy MZKT
    Only in case of restoration of production in Kurgan and maximum localization. Forgive syabry.
    1. gsev
      gsev 27 January 2021 22: 42
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Only in case of restoration of production in Kurgan

      Lukashenko was able to preserve and develop the MZKT, Putin seemed to destroy the Kurgan plant. Old Man is simply afraid to entrust such an expensive toy to a friend.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 26 January 2021 07: 49
    -3
    There is only one thing left - to develop our own production of special wheeled chassis, to educate designers, engineers and technologists of the appropriate level.
    +30 years and maybe then, the release of new products from the assembly shop ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 January 2021 08: 22
    0
    Should Russia buy MZKT

    a couple of questions .... 1. Is there WHAT to buy something else and how much better it will be?
    2. Is it worth changing the supplier and for whom ??? Will it be more reliable?
  • Putnik119
    Putnik119 26 January 2021 08: 27
    +2
    Stop dogging with the destroyers of the Crimean bridge, guys !. The article is shit. A tractor, even for an ICBM, is not an aircraft engine, not an ICBM itself! When the Ukrainians got crazy, everything was replaced in 5 years. No 30! It will be necessary, and the tractors will be replaced. At KAMAZ, they do it slowly, because there was no urgent need. Where is the hurry? Apparently, it has not yet pressed. It seems to me that syabry is not the same as Svidomye, to saw their factories in order to annoy Russia. But we need our own tractors. Not an emergency, but necessary. Most likely, promising products will be made for our tractors, the same Bryansk ones.
    1. gsev
      gsev 27 January 2021 22: 45
      0
      Quote: Putnik119
      At KAMAZ, they do it slowly, because there was no urgent need.

      Indeed, apparently the best production team in Russia for this profile is there. Even the Chinese are not able to compete with KAMAZ without loss for their state.
  • Imper
    Imper 26 January 2021 08: 50
    +5
    In my opinion, this is not a matter of a specific MZKT plant or the type of equipment, these tractors. In automotive engineering, in Russia, the problem is complex - our factories are based on an imported aggregate base: bridges, hydromechanical transmission, engines. Hand bridges in the army Urals. There are no heavy bridges of their own.
    If we had our own auto components, we would solve the problem with tractors quickly. You cannot create the same GMF for one, two times, this is a serious job, what can I say about a motor-wheel.
    p. from. it's better not even to think about buying MZKT.
  • Sailor
    Sailor 26 January 2021 09: 00
    +1
    We need to join the plant together with the country!
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 January 2021 09: 18
    +3
    In Russia, the time has been "missed" again! There was an opportunity and there was time to radically "remake" the Bryansk Automobile Plant! But the Russian "maybe abroad (Belarus) will help us ..." prevented this!
    1. sgrabik
      sgrabik 26 January 2021 11: 01
      +6
      In Russia, there is practically no clear strategic planning and constant control over the timely implementation of ambitious and critical plans and tasks for our entire state (Crimean bridge is a rare exception to the rule) and all those "effective" managers who are directly responsible for the timely implementation of the strategic tasks, are not competent and are not capable of anything, they are capable, well, except for cutting budget funds and stuffing their personal pockets !!! Isn't it time for us to return "Gos.plan" again ???
  • DPN
    DPN 26 January 2021 09: 45
    +3
    It is worth assembling Great Russia, otherwise we collect all the equipment from Western components, so Belarus has nothing to do with it. You have to work with your head, and not pray that sanctions are not imposed.
    1. agond
      agond 26 January 2021 10: 40
      -4
      A multi-axle car with a wheel arrangement of 16x16, was invented back in the days of the USSR, since the 16x16 scheme is very inconvenient for a vehicle (a dead-end branch of its development), except for China, anywhere in the world, and the use of an electric drive for the 16x16 scheme is fundamentally which will not change, so you need to turn from the wheels to a caterpillar, a narrow rubberized caterpillar half a row of 16-16 m long with 15 pairs of road wheels of which 5 front and 5 rear can rise, and 5 middle ones do not rise, will make it possible for a long caterpillar to turn around easily in place and it's just that the T-72 tank with 6 pairs of road wheels does it
      And the electric drive must be developed.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 26 January 2021 09: 52
    +1
    Does someone sell us MZKT? The train has already left, we offered, now we will not buy.
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 26 January 2021 09: 58
    +6
    One of the reasons for the non-marketability of the enterprise is fear of effective Russian managers and examples of bankrupt military-industrial complex plants in Russia. Many of us at the top dissuade the beacon from selling anything into Russian hands for this reason.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 26 January 2021 10: 47
      0
      In the Russian Federation, problematic military-industrial complex enterprises, which belonged to private owners, often go bankrupt in order for them to become part of the Rostec structure. And after bankruptcy, they continue to produce products, being part of a vertically organized structure, a state corporation.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 26 January 2021 10: 26
    0
    I have no words! The author does not understand the difference between a union republic and an autonomous republic that was part of the union? It was the Byelorussian SSR, not the Byelorussian ASSR! And if this is a typo, then it is also disrespectful to the readers. Such a blunder, and right at the beginning of the text.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 26 January 2021 10: 47
    +6
    But the first forty to fifty years could be considered a successful technique. This year, in all respects, the obsolete car will turn 64 years old. Few military developments can boast such a long history

    What does "obsolete" mean?

    This is not a car for daily operation, where low consumption and ecology in emissions are important, millionth mileage

    This is the most reliable tractor, designed for small but intensive military use, which is what the army requires.

    We need to build at home, it’s stupid to consider our plant in someone else’s territory.
    1. Putnik119
      Putnik119 26 January 2021 11: 15
      +1
      “We need to build at home, it’s stupid to think of a plant in someone else’s territory.” - I agree with that. I do not agree with the organization of all components at home. For civilian technology, cooperation is important. The production of all theirs is very expensive due to the small series. But an ICBM carrier is something else entirely. This is not a potato truck. To do it, it is necessary to transfer all the drawings for the product that he will wear. And the military secrets cannot be trusted to the Belarusian "multi-vector" assholes. And not only them. Nobody can. This is nuclear weapons. In general, you need to make your own tractors. And they will be done, I'm sure. By the way, talks about "close integration" with Belarus have somehow died down. Did not notice? It seems that syabras are next for harvesting strawberries in Poland in droves.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 26 January 2021 12: 01
    +3
    With Minsk tractors it is necessary to act as in the situation with the Ukrainian ... engines. After 2014 in Kiev it was forbidden to supply to the Russian Federation from the Zaporozhye "Motor-Sich" and the Nikolaev "Zarya-Mashproekt". The decision was correct to make analogs in Russia. And to lure "Varangians" from these factories and design bureaus for good money and other "buns" to establish new production. So with a "long ruble" to lure key specialists from Minsk to the Russian Federation, and "industrial espionage" has not been canceled. Especially those. all the documentation and operating procedures are available in the Russian Federation.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 January 2021 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: xomaNN
      With Minsk tractors it is necessary to act as in the situation with the Ukrainian ... engines. After 2014, it was banned in Kiev to supply to the Russian Federation from the Zaporozhye Motor-Sich and the Nikolaev-based Zarya-Mashproekt. The decision was correct to make analogs in Russia. And to lure "Varangians" from these factories and design bureaus for good money and other "goodies" to establish a new production

      Ne is how it was, savsem is so. ©
      The decision to organize the production of VK-2500 was made long before the Maidan - as a result of long and fruitless negotiations with Boguslaev. For more than 10 years, this cunning man has been cutting out and profiting, consistently burying all options for cooperation in approvals - transfer of production, a joint venture, a Motor Sich branch in the Russian Federation. In the end, the Russian side got tired of this endless story - and in 2010 an official decision was made to organize the production of engines for helicopters on the basis of the KB-developer (JSC Klimov).
      But at the same time, cooperation with Boguslaev was not interrupted - even after the Maidan, Motor Sich engines continued to go to the Russian Federation. Otherwise, one would have to admit that some of the hatched in 2014-2020. helicopters are kept in the air only by supernatural forces. smile
      1. xomaNN
        xomaNN 26 January 2021 18: 04
        0
        So yes, Boguslaev with "honest" laughing dividing the shares of the plant and the KB turned out to be the owner of more than a controlling stake, in contrast to the hard workers. And the toad pressed him to sell more expensively. After dancing with Russia, they wanted to sell Motor Sich to China. BUT! now the owners of Ukraine from the United States have banned the sale. That's how MOTO-SICH hovered like a g .. o in the hole. Like a chumadan without a handle.
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 26 January 2021 12: 14
    +4
    What are the problems faced by modern engineers who openly delay the development of the "Platform-O" project?

    There is only one problem - lack of motivation. Now, if for fraud the developers were threatened with moving to logging work with confiscation, then everything would have already been developed and released in full
  • krvl
    krvl 26 January 2021 13: 17
    -2
    And just giving 3 yards is weak?
    1. agond
      agond 26 January 2021 13: 35
      -2
      In their motor-wheel with an outer diameter of 1.6 m, there is very little space for an electric motor with a gearbox, where it is only 0.5-0.6 m in diameter, but if you use low-profile rubber, then the "hole in the donut" can be increased by at least a third and the mulberry will fit everything what do they want
    2. sgrabik
      sgrabik 26 January 2021 13: 53
      +1
      And they have already been given, a whole ten years have passed and things are still in the same place, you just need to set goals more clearly, and ask harder for their implementation, how long can the solution of this problem be delayed, this is probably done with one single goal, to pull out this platform has as much budgetary funds as possible, but budget money cannot be scattered so uncontrollably, everything has its own reasonable limit !!!
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 26 January 2021 13: 58
    0
    Considering the akhtung that happened after the events in Ukraine (associated with the violation / destruction of industrial cooperatives), it is worthwhile to prepare in advance for such a turn in Blr. Whether it happens or not is not important, but it's definitely worth having your own developments.
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  • Vaўkalak
    Vaўkalak 26 January 2021 14: 28
    +3
    Maybe Russia should have done the same as China? As they write on the Internet: in 1998 in the city of Xiogan (Hubei province), a joint Chinese-Belarusian venture Sanjiang-Volat Special Vehicle Co., LTD was organized. for the manufacture of multi-axle wheeled tractors and chassis for various purposes with a carrying capacity of 20 to 75 tons. Probably Russia should have tried to do something similar, at the facilities of the same BAZ. And then over time, already having experience in production, some groundwork to create your final product. Even if someone refused to sell their enterprise (which they had every right to do), they had to somehow turn around, look for options. In the end, according to the Chinese principle, Ctrl + C and Ctrl + to begin with. By the way, look at the photo for yourself, it’s a no brainer where the legs grow from Chinese tractors.


    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 January 2021 17: 44
      +1
      You cannot copy here. MZKT specialists assisted the Chinese in building a plant and manufacturing machines.
    2. Great Mike
      Great Mike 26 January 2021 19: 27
      +1
      We are not in the horse feed ... go to the KZKT website
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 26 January 2021 14: 51
    +2
    Did you want to "chubasit" dad? But dad does not trade in the Motherland. That's right, he thinks about people, about the state. If Putin and Medvedev had not ruined education, they could have done it themselves. In general, what is the problem? We are still trading with Ukraine and are content with it, but here look how picky they are. And the Belarusians are not for sale either. Otherwise, the designers would have worked long ago in Russia !!
  • JD1979
    JD1979 26 January 2021 15: 03
    +1
    Should Russia buy MZKT

    Smart countries buy BRAINS first.
  • Rufat
    Rufat 26 January 2021 15: 14
    -3
    It is necessary to produce millions of such machines and gouge everyone
  • Old26
    Old26 26 January 2021 15: 57
    0
    Quote: D16
    Because there is no need to urgently produce what is produced in Belarus ourselves. The copy of the ancient tractor has no market prospects.

    And the market prospect for this tractor is not needed. These tractors are needed only for one thing - for the Russian Armed Forces, in particular for the Strategic Missile Forces.
    Belarus itself produces not only such chassis, but also a large line of trucks.

    Quote: D16
    Moreover, the rearmament of the Strategic Missile Forces is already coming to an end and there is no particular need for new vehicles for the PGRK.

    The resource of such machines is not unlimited. Replacement is still required, albeit not in such quantities

    Quote: D16
    Even if MZKT stops working today, new tractors for the PGRK will not be needed soon.

    Now Belarus supplies our MO chassis with a 16x16 formula. Now about how soon they will be needed. Currently in service with about 36 PGRKs with ICBMs "Topol". They will most likely be replaced with one of the Yars modifications. That is, it will be needed in the near future (at least 2-3 years)
    Further. In service are 18 PGRKs with ICBMs "Topol-M". This means that 18 more chassis will be needed for APU. Now there are still 60 Topol-M mine complexes in service. What they will be replaced with. The mine versions of "Yars" or part will be replaced by mine, and some by mobile complexes
    So it will take long enough

    Quote: D16
    Therefore, there is no such ravine as with shipboard power plants and people have the opportunity to calmly bring the car to mind, organize production and further operation. All of the above is purely IMHO.

    If, God forbid, changes take place in Belarus and we are "cut off" from the MZKT, then the rush will be exactly the same as with ship engines. Or will the rearmament of the same Strategic Missile Forces
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 26 January 2021 16: 03
    -2
    Quote: nsm1
    For the third time I am writing here - the Omsk plant of Baranov - an aircraft engine repairman receives from 15 thousand rubles.
    Repair engineer at OGM - from 17 thous.
    This is from hh.ru, do not believe it, look for yourself.
    This directly affects the timing.
    The worst work, the convicted, the sick.
    Of course, on TV and in speeches like you it is not so, but in real life, alas and ah.


    This is a monthly salary.
    How much is the monthly bonus? What about the quarterly bonus? And the surcharge "for special conditions"? What is the 13th salary and is it paid? Is something paid "in an envelope"? Is there a supplement - "material aid" for the vacation? Is there a supplement "annual material aid"?
    I am in no way claiming that all the bonuses I mentioned are paid, BUT I just want to draw your attention to the fact that the "bare salary" that is mentioned in job advertisements is often only a fraction of the money that a truly valuable employee can receive.
    Moreover, the phenomenon of "salary in an envelope" has not been canceled by itself ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 January 2021 17: 43
      0
      Most likely only feeding in the plant canteen is added.
    2. gsev
      gsev 27 January 2021 22: 51
      0
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      The "bare salary" that is talked about in job advertisements is often only a fraction of the money a truly valuable employee can get.

      Usually in the ad they indicate a larger amount than they will pay.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 January 2021 17: 40
    0
    Now he has actually driven the country into international isolation, leaving only Russia and China among partners. Why not take advantage of the situation now and make Minsk an offer that it cannot refuse? It's high time, especially since Lukashenka simply has no room for maneuver - he certainly won't dare to ask an oil company in exchange for MZKT. However, this scheme has many complications.


    After the recent events, I don’t understand at all why there is no progress? Everything went into SILENCE
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 January 2021 17: 42
    0
    Avionics and other systems of the same Iskander are developing and decreasing in size. Accordingly, if you do it now, then the OTRK will easily fit on the BAZ 8x8.
  • storm
    storm 26 January 2021 17: 50
    -1
    If the leadership of the Russian Federation would have been more discerning, 15 years ago they would have organized their own production of the entire line of MZKT tractors at Kamaz.
    Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR, is actually the same owner of the entire legacy created in the Union.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 26 January 2021 18: 08
    0
    Because the plant does not produce the entire range of components, and the navel will be untied to buy up subcontractors, the only option remains is to join Belarus to Russia.
  • Moore
    Moore 26 January 2021 19: 16
    +1
    July 23, 1954 in the Belarusian АSSR

    In principle, we could not read further, but we will continue ...
    The successor of the 543rd was supposed to be the MZKT-7930, but the machine became only its more modern analogue, produced in parallel. Now chassis 7930 can be seen as part of the tactical Iskander.

    Didn't he? You can see him not only on Iskander - in many places. For example:
    -on the same DBK "Topol-M" ("Yars") - 15V240M (MOBD), 15M69 (MIOM);
    -BRK "Ball";
    -BRK "Bastion" and many other places.
    As well as missing in service with the MZKT-79221 - huge sixteen-wheeled transporters of Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles. Now these unique products are exported exclusively to Russia, however, nowhere else are such monsters in demand.

    The equipment of Russian silos is also not in demand anywhere else - does it somehow affect its efficiency?
    The eight-axle and eight-hundred-horsepower Volat is capable of taking on up to 80 tons, while consuming about 300 liters of fuel per 100 km - like several battle tanks!

    Shouldn't the sturgeon be cut down to 160-200l / 100km?
    It was not completely clear in 2011, and five years later, how can you buy a military-industrial complex located abroad?

    Good. The risk is great, if you do not continue the integration, which father fears like plague. However, it is not unreasonable if you observe the dashing tricks of our effektyuk like Serdyukov. What a pathetic former tax man. There sharks with larger jaws clang ...
  • Great Mike
    Great Mike 26 January 2021 19: 20
    -1
    Who destroyed the Kurgan KZKT? Which produced almost the same equipment as the MZKT? Lukashenko understands that MZKT and MAZ, if sold to Russia, will face the same fate ... Medvedev's role in the murder of our industry is well known ...
    1. Zum
      Zum 26 January 2021 20: 13
      0
      I'm afraid to disappoint you ... he no longer understands anything .... and the plant will sooner or later "merge".
  • Zum
    Zum 26 January 2021 20: 11
    0
    No need to worry .... sooner or later the plant will cease to exist ... in any case, as an independent enterprise ... and will be absorbed either by the Russian or the European monopoly.
  • SPQR
    SPQR 26 January 2021 22: 04
    0
    Belarusian ASSR? Something new))))
    Correct the mistake!
    1. agond
      agond 26 January 2021 23: 20
      +1
      For criticizing the 16x16 scheme, minus the minuses are sacred, without imagining how in this miracle it drives off the road into the forest? , to turn off the 24-meter car stops, then slowly fidgets back and forth and finally blocks the road only 10-12 m wide and only then slowly slides off the asphalt onto the gravel road, in a specially prepared place. In general, on the most flat terrain, it is almost impossible to leave a two-lane road in a field in an unprepared place, since the wheels begin to hang from the side of the road on both sides of the road and there is a risk of overturning (and it overturns easily, since the center of gravity is high) for the same reason it is almost impossible to turn around, though you can go backwards.
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 27 January 2021 09: 45
    -1
    But is it not possible to replace the MZKT with BAZ machines ???
  • Nunaxep
    Nunaxep 27 January 2021 10: 23
    +1
    There was no Belarusian ASSR. What is the article about?
  • Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 27 January 2021 14: 05
    +1
    I went in, read the comments - the monotonous whining about everything was gone, and no matter what article, some of them write the same thing. the site from a good military service center turned into a haven for those who groan about the bright past
  • DPN
    DPN 27 January 2021 21: 27
    0
    This technique was created for the USSR Armed Forces and almost all the weapons went to the Russian Federation, now you offer an enemy from Belarus, so there are up to and more of them along the borders.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 27 January 2021 23: 49
    -1
    Should Russia buy MZKT


    At one time, Belarus wanted to buy and then destroy the only remaining plant in Russia for the production of wheeled tractors in Bryansk (JSC "BAZ"), a competitor of its products in the class of light and medium tractors (no one made heavy tractors for ICBMs in Russia). Russia began to suspect something, the deal fell through, and in 2015, Almaz-Antey bought 100% of the authorized capital of NAMS-Spetsmashkomplekt LLC, which owns shares of Bryansk Automobile Plant JSC (BAZ JSC).
    In fact, this was the very first coffin in the lid of the coffin of the MZKT, since the most tidbit of mass sales of the chassis for Almaz-Antey products in the form of the S-400 systems and, in the future, for the S-500 was lost.
    As for the hope that BAZ JSC will be able to provide the products of other military enterprises that are not part of Almaz-Antey with more lifting tractors, it is unfounded. For now the enterprise is loaded several years ahead with orders for Almaz-Antey.
    After Belarus could not buy BAZ JSC and Almaz-Antey refused to buy the MZKT chassis for its products, Lukashenka decided to offer Russia to buy the MZKT, which had previously refused to sell, but at the same time bent the price exorbitant. to look for options in their country and Kamaz responded to the call, but so far the completed chassis that have passed all tests have not gone into production.

    Moreover, in the spring of 2019 it was reported that

    Domestic highly mobile chassis created as part of the Platform-O development work, in particular, for the Topol-M and Yars missile systems, have been adopted by the Russian army. This was reported on Thursday by TASS by a source in the Russian military-industrial complex.


    but in reality we have not seen a single YARS complex on a KAMAZ chassis, we have not seen a KAMAZ chassis for Iskander and Bastion either. Considering that Kamaz stated that the transition from the MZKT chassis to theirs would be gradual (within 10 years ) they still have time.

    As for the MZKT, it is as sad as a suitcase without a handle inside which is old, proven but already rubbish.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 28 January 2021 13: 45
    0
    MZKT does not have many options - either economic death and the closure of the plant, or the opening of a branch and transfer of production to Russia. Everything else is not for us. It is clear that not now and not quickly, but the replacement of Belarusian supplies will be made, including the PGRK platform.

    If they do not agree with the second option, then it is necessary to lure engineers to Bryansk
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 29 January 2021 09: 57
    +1
    The dumpsters from the elite of the Russian Federation, serving foreign capital, just wanted to destroy the MZKT at the behest of their owners, as is the case with KAMAZ, VAZ and has already been done with KZKT and ZIL. Belarusian autocluster eyesore Damler-Benz, Liebherr and others. At the same time, they want to drown and Russian suppliers of Belarusians - YaMZ and TMZ - manufacturers of diesel engines. It was Liebherr who supplied components for the project of the O KAMAZ platform, which failed miserably.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 29 January 2021 14: 27
    +1
    Quote: Lipchanin
    What does MO have to do with wages at the plant?

    the most direct, although not complete.
    for every planned penny of salary you need to bargain.
    even in relatively prosperous St. Petersburg, it is not easy to agree on a salary of 40k.
    I know that because had to do the automation of the planned calculations of contracts.
    unlike construction, where there is a minimum rate of return and some prices,
    in MO contracts, a lot depends on specific agreements.
    and there is a lot of corruption. In addition, a number of rules for holding tenders hinders the quality.
    and poor planning.