OMON is working. How are the protests in the Far East and Siberia

In the Far East and Siberia, unauthorized rallies took place in support of the detained blogger and opposition leader Alexei Navalny. According to media and social networks, law enforcement officers detained about 200 people.

In Vladivostok, protesters gathered in the central square of the city; according to various sources, there were from 300 to 500 people in total, the opposition reports about one thousand protesters. OMON carried out pinpoint arrests, reportedly 20 detainees.

Also, uncoordinated actions took place in other cities of the Far East, mostly without gathering large masses of people.

More than 200 people took part in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, in Khabarovsk - from 200 to 300, in Yakutsk about 300 people took part. According to OVD-info, 15 people were detained in only 125 cities. In Vladivostok - 23 people, the same number in Komsomolsk-on-Aamur, in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - 13 people, in Yakutsk - 13 people. Protesters reportedly clashed with riot police in Vladivostok and Khabarovsk.

Unauthorized meetings in Siberia followed. According to media reports, several thousand people gathered for the rally in Irkutsk, 1,5 thousand in Novosibirsk, and over a thousand in Krasnoyarsk. About 54 people were reportedly detained in Novosibirsk.

Rallies in support of Navalny began in the Urals, in Moscow, protesters gather in Pushkin Square, the police began pinpoint arrests.

At the same time, there are problems in the work of cellular operators, users complain about a malfunction of Beeline, MTS, Megafon and Rostelecom. The main stream of complaints concerns the mobile Internet in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnodar, Chelyabinsk and other cities.

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[Observer2014]

OMON is working. How are the protests in the Far East and Siberia

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev dumped the country? Where did the army look when Yeltsin divided the country with the same Yeltsinyats in the forest? Where were you all? Ah ... You are now getting pensions. Well, get, get. Why should I feed them This is all the slag listed.

[smart ass]

And where were you when the USSR was broken?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR?

I am ashamed to ask - who are you to slag reckoned? Hopefully tagged / ebn who, for example, merged the Riga riot police performing their duty?

Quote: Clever man

And where were you when the USSR was broken?

[halpat]

Quote: Clever man

And where were you when the USSR was broken?

most likely it was not in the project yet
at best I still walked under the table

[culinary]

Quote: Halpat

Quote: Clever man

And where were you when the USSR was broken?

most likely it was not in the project yet
at best I still walked under the table

Indeed, the younger the blogger, the worse his life was under Stalin ...

[RUSS]

Quote: kulinar

the worse he lived under Stalin

Would you like to live under Stalin?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: kulinar

the worse he lived under Stalin

Would you like to live under Stalin?

I'll leave it here, the attitude of the people is clearly visible

[Prisoner]

I would like to. It was a great time.

[220976]

Quote: RUSS

Would you like to live under Stalin?

I am. I would like to live with him.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

NOTHING out of the ordinary: in any Society of the world always has a certain number of eternally dissatisfied with everything in the world, opponents of power and simply sick in the head, crazy. Judging by the number of protesters, not all came out, but the very best. Those who, well, just can't do it!

Conclusion: in general, Russian society is great and did not succumb to the entreaties of provocateurs!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Halpat

most likely it was not in the project yet
at best I still walked under the table

This is out of place. And he sat at home like everyone else, and was silent like everyone else.

[horror]

So the fact of the matter is that you are men with life experience, your generation is a power ... but those who at that time went under the table now eat the fruits of your passivity. Khalpat, I see you is it very funny?

[VORON538]

There he was. In the early 90s, he served as an urgent in the Ukrainian army. Under Putin, when the Maidan began, he fled to Russia.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, everyone around is to blame, but not me, darling.
In about eleven years, he will write him the same, call him and ask why he should feed the present, who will then become pensioners ..... "iron logic"!

[Revival]

Those who "cry" in the commercials that the swamp was dispersed, and they were kicked out without apartments for retirement? Yes

[DMB_95]

Was it "overclocked"? It is necessary to disperse as in the advanced democracies, i.e. using cold water from brand-points, gas and rubber bullets. And real prison terms for those who excel.

[Grits]

Hmm ... we still make little use of the progressive experience of the advanced democratic powers ...

[Mister X]

Quote: Gritsa

we are still making little use of the progressive experience of the advanced democratic powers

It is not only in the Russian Federation that they are alarming with heated demonstrators.

Chisinau, December 2020, central square.
Moldovan farmers on tractors have flooded the entire area, demanding additional financial assistance due to the terrible drought.
By the way, we arrived with an escort of police cars.

One day, farmers on their tractors tried to drive up the steps to Parliament.
The law enforcers blocked the road to the tractors with their bodies.
Some were injured.
The tractor ran over one of the carabiners: a fracture.

On another day, the authorities seem to have come to an agreement with the farmers, who promised to vacate the area.
Suddenly one tractor rushed into the flowerbed in front of the Cathedral, and plowed it.
Even in this situation, the police behaved too correctly.
As a result, the tractor driver was deprived of his driving license and a small fine was issued.
Some consider him a hero.
There was a proposal to erect a monument to the "striking farmers" on that lawn.

I believe that the security forces should have acted harder.
Time has shown that farmers rallied at the direction of the opposition.
Pressing police tractors with tractors and rolling down the steps of Parliament is no gate.
Although, after the storming of the US Capitol, the Moldovan protests seem like childish babble ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Mister X

Although, after the storming of the US Capitol, the Moldovan protests seem like childish babble ...

Rewind 11 years ago. Spring 2009

[Mister X]

Quote: Flood

Rewind 11 years ago. Spring 2009

My fellow countrymen have a short memory. Unfortunately.
I touched on the topic "Cobblestone Revolution" in my article
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[Flooding]

Quote: Mister X

My fellow countrymen have a short memory. Unfortunately.

If by countrymen you mean Moldovans, then where does it come from, memory?
It has been uprooted for three decades.

[Mister X]

Quote: Flood

It has been uprooted for three decades.

You are right, since the late 80s.
To the sweet babbling of a mandolin on the motives of "National Revival" and "European values".

Quote: Flood

do you mean Moldovans, where does it come from, memory?

There are such terms as "selective memory" and "politician memory".
They remember only that, and only when it is beneficial.
By the way, I am also a Moldovan, my grandfather's grandfather was also a Chisinau citizen.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mister X

By the way, I am also a Moldovan, my grandfather's grandfather was also a Chisinau citizen.

In Chisinau now, it is not easy to find citizens even in the second generation.
Good luck, fellow countryman.

[Mister X]

Quote: Flood

In Chisinau now, it is not easy to find citizens even in the second generation.

There are almost no Jews, Armenians and Greeks left either.
But it was they who contributed to the prosperity of Chisinau.

Quote: Flood

Good luck, fellow countryman.

Thank you, mutually!

[Prisoner]

"It is still bad for us to educate our youth."

[syndicalist]

The legitimate authorities can easily afford such or even more harsh methods without provoking the indignation of the main electorate. Everything is different with us. You will see - exactly where the security forces acted as tough as possible, the unrest will take on the most massive and radical character.

[Dart2027]

Quote: syndicalist

The legitimate authorities can easily afford such or even more harsh methods without provoking the indignation of the main electorate. Everything is different with us.

And who will determine the legitimacy? Are you?

[syndicalist]

.

Quote: Dart2027

And who will determine the legitimacy? Are you?

Legitimacy is the people's voluntary recognition of the authorities' right to act in one way or another. Accordingly, I, as part of the people, will determine this very legitimacy.

[YOUR]

At the expense of determining legitimacy, the current Acting Acting for the Khabarovsk Territory, Degtyarev, said well - you have chosen us what kind of power you want, you will do what they say.

[Dart2027]

Quote: syndicalist

Legitimacy is the people's voluntary recognition of the authorities' right to act in one way or another. Accordingly, I, as part of the people, will determine this very legitimacy.

Well, as part of the same people, I consider this power to be completely legitimate, and those who organize street riots are criminals. Like most Russian citizens.

[syndicalist]

Yesterday on the street, I did not see anyone who would agree with you. All passing cars actively supported the protesters with their signals. Thus, they considered power to be criminal.

[Dart2027]

Quote: syndicalist

Yesterday on the street, I did not see anyone who would agree with you.

I know several who agree with you, the number is at the level of the static error.

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Those who support them with signals, those are still protestors) I'm like with you, but I have a type of business and I don't have when to stand with you and get fooled from the cops, but I'm with you, I signaled)

[sleeve]

Hmm ... Illegitimate mean? 25 thousand bayonets in the Capitol and 75 million "terrorists" is legitimacy. The allusion to the illegitimacy of the current government (not all, directly elected by the GENERAL vote) is something "Belarusian".

[syndicalist]

Have you seen 75 million bayonets near the Capitol?

[sleeve]

Read carefully. You are welcome. Or don't read at all.

[220976]

The protest was blown away. There will be nothing more massive and radical. The people of Russia are against you.

[Tank jacket]

I express my gratitude to the Valiant Professional guys from the OMON. The lawless liberals were legally put in paddy wagons.
This is for you liberals for my generation of the 90s ... And for the millions of Russian people who died in the perestroika-rebuilding.
PS
Shmara, who takes pictures and says that she did not hurt her death from an overdose and from a knife of classmates in the 90s

[Kisa]

do you think the opposition to power should not exist in principle?
foreseeing a noble srach came here with only one question - here every first member of the forum groans from the topic to the topic that all the blood Rotenberg Millers and other cellists drank ..... but I do not have enough logic why do you support the power ???

[Tank jacket]

The riot police worked carefully. I like to watch the riot police work professionally. If suddenly the riot policemen need help, I will be happy to help the guys.

[Ingvar 72]

Professionally? so let them not be surprised later when Molotov cocktails fly at them. Violence breeds violence.

I understand that emotions are overheated, but the boundaries of what is permissible cannot be crossed. Onizhedeti-style jokes will no longer work.
Now the government is drowning itself, in violation of the law, closing the pedal, fiercely during acceleration.

[psiho117]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Violence breeds violence.

So Cho? Obstruction of the actions of employees is always punished in all countries - with the utmost severity. Let him say thank you that they kicked everything in the thigh - in Omerik they would have stopped altogether, guarded them, and detained them with suffocation ...
And then they would also be tried, and the fine would be soldered so that the children still have to.
And then they got it right here - Putin, Putin ...
Nobody canceled the quarantine measures, the repressive apparatus of the state, right now, is in its own right.
As the quarantine ends - apply and hold a meeting PEACEFULLY as much as you like, as you did before.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: psiho117

How the quarantine will end - apply and hold a meeting PEACEFULLY as much as you like

You're funny - do you really think that after the quarantine is lifted, rallies will be allowed?

[psiho117]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do you really think that after the quarantine is lifted, rallies will be allowed?

And why not?
They were not prohibited in much more difficult times for the country when real claims on real issues.
And everyone calmly protested, bulk, komunyata, green, blue, each creature - a pair.
So where did you get the idea that rallies will not be allowed now, when vaccination is in full swing, and the infection itself is subsiding on its own?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: psiho117

when vaccination is in full swing, and

And, of course, he is a supporter of Putin and an adherent of vaccination with an untested vaccine.
Have you put the komunyat with blueness on one step, but do you reckon yourself among the holy seraphim? Nothing, people will soon put everything in its place.

[psiho117]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And, of course, he is a supporter of Putin and an adherent of vaccination with an untested vaccine.

No, I'm just a normal, sane person. What I wish you too

[Ingvar 72]

Judging by the fact that the overwhelming majority does not trust the vaccine, the population of our country is not normal and not sane.

[Amba412]

And where in Europe rallies are allowed ???

[Sergey M. Karasev]

by breaking the law by closing the pedal,

And what law did the authorities violate?

[Ingvar 72]

Watch the video on the Karaulov channel, everything is clearly chewed there.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Women kick in the stomach.?

[psiho117]

The fighter, of course, went too far and was wrong, but when the grandmother throws herself in front of the OMON group leading the detainee to the paddy wagon, shouting "Where are you taking him" - she is three times wrong. Old age, of course, is not a joy - but along the way, she has no brains at all - she:
- At an unauthorized rally (what did she forget there?)
- A rally in support of the "uninvolved" Oral (generally PPC)
- Throws under the tank under the riot police with delusional exclamations
- And the most important thing!!! She without a mask!!! Ahtung-ahtung!

And by the way, the fighter has already apologized to her personally. Peace, friendship, Putin

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: psiho117

And by the way, the fighter has already apologized to her personally.

The fighter will sit down, one hundred pounds. For such chaos on the one hand, while they give a real term for plastic cups, this is too much.
Statements to the Prosecutor General have already come from all opposition movements.
And by the way, have you forgotten that these fighters are in the service of the people, and for their taxes?

[Varyag71]

It looks like your grandfather was also gearing up at the policemen during the Second World War. Well done! You continue the glorious traditions of your servile family.

[sleeve]

Where is the opposition? Maybe we have here on the Internet a discussion about the countermodel of the economy? Or maybe someone pushed a new social program with numbers on the table? Maybe what arguments on foreign policy are straight iron? No. Nafig. It takes a long time. Hype, "sufferer", children's brains through "Tik-tok". This is ours. Cheap and angry. And here's how the conversation about "What do you offer?" So only fighters against corruption and for the happiness of the people. But as? And give the power ... It was. Almost torn to shreds.

[syndicalist]

If we talk about Navalny, then indeed, he essentially does not have a program. Only the most general slogans are to do everything honestly, without changing the system itself. But there are also groups with quite detailed programs. Which, however, will never reach their audience under the current system and while Navalny keeps the hype.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Quote: syndicalist

If we talk about Navalny, then indeed, he essentially does not have a program. Only the most general slogans are to do everything honestly, without changing the system itself. But there are also groups with quite detailed programs. Which, however, will never reach their audience under the current system and while Navalny keeps the hype.

Name at least one such group and where in the internet you can get acquainted with its program.

[Prisoner]

Bulk opposition? I beg of you! Grant eaters, moral ur-o-dy and traitors, substituting stupid cubs with embryonic brains? They are not opposition, they are terrorists.

[220976]

Quote: kitty

do you think the opposition to power should not exist in principle?

Who do you refer to as opposition, protestors or something, who offer nothing?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tank jacket

I express my gratitude to the Valiant Professional guys from the OMON.

[Tank jacket]

There would be opposition ...
For me, the opposition is people who are patriots and want to do better for Russia, but using a different strategy is just that ... And so ... yes, the best people at the rally are the valiant riot police.

[RUSS]

Quote: Tank jacket

I express my gratitude to the Valiant Professional guys from the OMON. The lawless liberals were legally put in paddy wagons.
This is for you liberals for my generation of the 90s ... And for the millions of Russian people who died in the perestroika-rebuilding.
PS
Shmara, who takes pictures and says that she did not hurt her death from an overdose and from a knife of classmates in the 90s

Already let a tear ...
So the current government all came out of the 90s.

[Tank jacket]

Do you agree that the shmara, who pretends to be in pain, did not experience mental pain when a classmate was buried (died of an overdose) in the 90s?
PS let you cry?

[Amba412]

That's why they work differently.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Tank jacket

I express my gratitude to the Valiant Professional guys from the OMON. The lawless liberals were legally put in paddy wagons.
This is for you liberals for my generation of the 90s ... And for the millions of Russian people who died in the perestroika-rebuilding.
PS
Shmara, who takes pictures and says that she did not hurt her death from an overdose and from a knife of classmates in the 90s

You justify the authorities whatever they do, frightening the horrors of the 90s. Thieves - it doesn't matter, the poor population is nonsense, the retirement age is raised - don't care; the main thing is that my relatives / friends should not touch me. Steal further. Here is your logic.
It is the authorities (in particular, he) who are to blame for the fact that only through a revolution can he be overthrown. By laws and amendments to the Constitution, he fenced himself off from any inclinations. And riot police are on guard.
Therein lies the horror that conditions for massacre and blood have been created again ...

[220976]

So what do you suggest? Take away from some oligarchs and transfer to others? You don't want to get rid of capitalism. So you won't change the course. And why are you needed like that?

[syndicalist]

Yes, Navalny is not proposing to change the system, but only to make it "honest." But he promises free speech and free elections. And he will not be able to abandon these main points of his program under any circumstances. Even if the entire State Department demands the opposite. And this will give a chance for other progressive forces to propose their own models of the country's development, in which not only oligarchs, but also capitalists in general, may not exist.

[Dart2027]

Quote: syndicalist

And he will not be able to abandon these main points of his program under any circumstances. Even if the full State Department demands the opposite.

That is, you yourself admit that he works for the State Department.

[220976]

Quote: syndicalist

But he promises free speech and free elections.

Everyone promises everything, but for some reason, as soon as it comes down to it, everyone forgets about their promises.

Quote: syndicalist

Navalny does not suggest changing the system

Then why is all this, if no one will change the system and will not assemble? What kind of freedom of speech can we talk about if the system is not changed?

[FRoman1984]

Quote: 220976

So what do you suggest? Take away from some oligarchs and transfer to others? You don't want to get rid of capitalism. So you won't change the course. And why are you needed like that?

I propose a change of power so that there are no kings and general secretaries who hold the throne to the end. Naturally, not to give Navalny.
But he killed everything in the 2010s, now you can't immediately answer "and to whom?"

[sleeve]

Stop. Can i ask you? That very HE introduced a special article that only HIS can be elected further (or maybe he canceled the elections altogether)? But I ask you not to write that the others are not allowed to speak. Election politics is in full swing. Candidates from Navalny (the same Novosibirsk) also pass by. What they do afterwards (how many of them work, how many "toil with protest foolishness," and how many move to another camp) is already politics behind the elections. Everyone has the potential to get out. The question is different. It's hard without money (although you can). And they give money only for something. Without money, it's a long time. Public work, a name in the information space and among people of the lower level, the middle level, well, how lucky. In any relatively stable system, it is. Money is easier and faster, but you have to answer for money.
Why all these inscriptions from me? Who is "playing long" now? Perhaps there is. They may not be paying attention to them now. Is there a discussion radically opposite to domestic politics? No. And it won't. The general vector is correct. Details and execution are yes. Everything is in Russian traditions. And boneless tongues hold power, and their dullness and groveling. Everything is present. Well, this is a universal law of power.

[Varyag71]

Yes, it shows that this is a paid dimwitted patient with a very low IQ

[Varyag71]

Do you have a day off in a mental hospital today?

[Fitter65]

Quote: DMB_95

Was it "overclocked"? It is necessary to disperse as in the advanced democracies, i.e. using cold water from brand-points, gas and rubber bullets. And real prison terms for those who excel.

You also mentioned those shot by the police, forgot to mention during the dispersal. These liberoids and the beacon of democracy ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Fitter65

You also mentioned those shot by the police, forgot to mention during the dispersal. These liberoids and the beacon of democracy ...

Yes, there is generally laughter on YouTube - here is the name under the type of hot video, we look when this happened:

URGENTLY! MOSCOW IS RISE (23.01.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX) THE CAPITAL GOES AGAINST PUTIN! THE KREMLIN IS SURROUNDED!

317 thousand views
2 weeks ago

To tears!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Tank Hard

To tears!

And in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, there are 12 of these types - people are standing, yelling freedom, freedom, and 20 people running around to shoot them ... Almost everyone has at least two operators. as well as policemen with riot police, although there were more filming, and if undeveloped young people were yelling about freedom, then respectable, adults were engaged in video filming ...

[AndreyS]

Quote: Fitter65

respectable adults were involved in video filming ...

And half of them are the ones who organized it all. And if you look around at the cafes, you will find observers from the "beacon of democracy."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: DMB_95

And real prison terms for those who excel.

And arrange an "electronic concentration camp", as in the most "democratic" country in the world.

[Observer2014]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: DMB_95

And real prison terms for those who excel.

And arrange an "electronic concentration camp", as in the most "democratic" country in the world.

You take all sorts of rubbish into your mouth so quickly !!!!
Horror!! Nightmare! How old are you?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Observer2014

You take all sorts of rubbish into your mouth so quickly !!!!
Horror!! Nightmare! How old are you?

Sorry son, "my years and wealth".
But when all bank accounts are closed, they are banned from flying on an airplane, medical insurance is closed, loans are closed, they are kicked out of work with a "wolf ticket" - then I do not know what you will take in your mouth.

[Adimius38]

just forgot to mention that this is how they disperse an aggressive crowd that destroys everything in its path

[Gardamir]

Where have you been

provocative question. Or do you think that the observer then worked in the KGB?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Clever man

And where were you when the USSR was broken?

I studied in horror as instead of the flags of the Ukrainian SSR and the USSR, a mug climbed onto the podium, in September in the form of the director of an educational institution (who promised to expel me at the end of May for not being a Komsomol member) With a zhovtoblakytny rag.

[Flooding]

Quote: Observer2014

I studied in horror as instead of the flags of the Ukrainian SSR and the USSR, a mug climbed onto the podium, in September in the form of the director of an educational institution (who promised to expel me at the end of May for not being a Komsomol member) With a zhovtoblakytny rag.

I ask you to complete the logical chain.
Once you studied during the collapse of the USSR.
And the riot police did not receive orders from above to protect statehood.
Now it is possible not to defend statehood, and violate laws?
Am I missing anything?

[Revival]

Laws are different.
The constitution says that rallies can be held by Notice, and in the law suddenly by permission, but of course there is no contradiction here, of course.
And there is also a law on raising the retirement age, and protect it with respect?

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

The constitution says that rallies can be held by Notice, and in the law suddenly by permission, but of course there is no contradiction here, of course.

Of course not.
Because you haven't even bothered to open the Constitution and check the veracity of your words, you are an expert on laws and contradictions.

Quote: Article 31 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.

Source: http://constitutionrf.ru/rzd-1/gl-2/st-31-krf

[Revival]

Iiiii?
What did the ignorant want to say?

That's exactly right, straight!
And not when and if the uncle will allow

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

What to say by this is what the ignorant wanted

Where is there even half a word about the procedure? Where is the notification written here?
If I were you, I would be ashamed to get out with my "Iii?"
It is obvious to the student that your words are wrong.

[Revival]

Once again, they have the right, that is, not by permission, but at will.
Earlier, the Notification Plan was spelled out in the law, and then suddenly, by permission

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

Once again, they have the right, that is, not by permission, but at will.

Quote: Revival

The Constitution says that rallies can be held by Notice

Learn to be responsible for your words.
I don't hold up anymore.

[Revival]

Are you merging?
1. In the constitution, the unconditional right of citizens to a meeting.
2. The law was all about this, the Notification was logically spelled out. This right is not limiting.
3. And once suddenly Permission was prescribed. We decided to allow or deny this right!
So clear !? Or is it not?

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

Are you merging?

You are here

Quote: Flood

Last time. What does the Constitution do?
She declares the main provisions.
What do the laws do?
They interpret the provisions of the Constitution and describe the procedures for the implementation of constitutional norms, regulate the relations of the parties arising in the implementation of the norms of the Constitution.

I understand that you will not understand.
Therefore, in pursuit:
What does your word "freehold" mean?
Any laws of any country have permanent conditions.
And the Constitution is the main law of the state.
And, of course, it also contains the prerequisites.
But once again you take the liberty of interpreting the provisions of the Constitution in your own way.
Thus, I can come to any institution and any company and say that Revival has given everyone an unconditional right to work. Try not to employ me.
Come to any clinic in any city: Revival allowed everyone to be treated unconditionally.
Stop making the audience laugh.

[Revival]

It is very indicative that you brought 2 more provisions of the constitution, which are spat on

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

It is very indicative that you brought 2 more provisions of the constitution, which are spat on

Don't get hired? If you are 18, go to the square with posters.

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

Once again, they have the right, that is, not by permission, but at will.
Earlier, the Notification Plan was spelled out in the law, and then suddenly, by permission

You are deeply lost in ignorance of what the Constitution is.
The constitution establishes general provisions.
Like the right to rest, free education, etc.
If any experts think out what this or that article of the Constitution means, a nightmare of an all-Russian scale will come.
That's why there are laws.
Sit down, two.
On Monday, tell your teacher so. I'm not happy with you.

[AUL]

Quote: Flood

The constitution establishes general provisions.
Like the right to rest, free education, etc.
If any experts think out what this or that article of the Constitution means, a nightmare of an all-Russian scale will come.
That's why there are laws.

In your opinion, what is written in the Constitution (even in the last, "zeroed" one) is one thing, but the laws adopted by the Duma are more important? And why don't we need a constitution like that, if it has no effect? Although the Guarantor, upon taking office, swore to protect her!

[Flooding]

Quote from AUL

In your opinion, what is written in the Constitution (even in the last, "zeroed" one) is one thing, but the laws adopted by the Duma are more important?

This is your way, not my opinion.
This cohort of your like-minded people is ready to nullify anyone on the forum for dissent. Without having the opportunity to argue even the slightest bit with arguments.
I repeat: the Constitution establishes the main provisions. Otherwise, it would occupy tens of thousands of pages, and every six months it would have to be changed.
The main provisions are subject to change in very small doses and when absolutely necessary. Since their value lies in the fact that for the most part they are not subject to doubt and interpretation.
Although your colleague has managed to interpret it in his own way. Gifting!

[AUL]

Quote: Flood

This is your way, not my opinion.

Don't you find that you contradict yourself here? Read your own post again!

[Flooding]

Quote from AUL

Don't you find that you contradict yourself here? Read your own post again!

I remember very well what I wrote.
Last time. What does the Constitution do?
She declares the main provisions.
What do the laws do?
They interpret the provisions of the Constitution and describe the procedures for the implementation of constitutional norms, regulate the relations of the parties arising in the implementation of the norms of the Constitution.
What is the contradiction? One complements the other.

[Revival]

And his logic is such that the right is only when "whoever needs it" will permit, and that the right can also be prohibited.
Such a right ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

And his logic is such that the right is only when "whoever needs it" will permit, and that the right can also be prohibited.
Such a right ...

You don't have to answer for me. You have not yet learned to take responsibility for yourself.
There is something to write in essence - write.

[Revival]

So you just write essentially how it is.
The Constitution gives a direct right to a meeting, and a law that cannot contradict it, which explains the procedure for exercising the right, cancels the right, making it dependent on someone's permission.
Doesn't explain how I can exercise my right in any case, but allows me to prohibit its implementation in general!

[Flooding]

In your case, you need to start from scratch.
So what is "right"?
It is bad form to contact Vika with such a serious question.
Here I spied on the website of the Council of Europe.
Navalny's fans should love it.

Quote:. www.coe.int

Right is a claim that we rightly claim. I am eligible for items in my shopping cart if I have paid for them. Citizens have the right to elect a president if this is guaranteed by the constitution of their country, and a child has the right to visit a zoo if his parents promised him this.

Don't be confused by the unauthorized intonation of such an explanation.
It just corresponds to the level of the question you asked.
Thus, the right can be claimed if it is fair (legal).
Is it legal your right to demand anything outside the legal procedure? Go to the European Court of Human Rights. He will explain to you in detail everything that you have not yet managed to learn.

[Revival]

"Is your right to demand anything outside the legal procedure legal?"

The law in general should not initially establish a procedure that suppresses the right given by the constitution.

And according to your logic Everything that is spelled out in the law is correct, well, then we come to the conclusion that in Germany in one period laws were issued and acted strictly according to them.
Is everything correct in your opinion?

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

The law in general should not initially establish a procedure that suppresses the right given by the constitution.

Did you decide that because you wanted it that way today?
Where is the law contrary to the Constitution?

[Revival]

The Constitution gives the right to an unconditional holding of a rally, that is, the procedure must regulate how to hold it, exactly how to hold it, whatever, according to any procedure, but precisely to hold it.
And your "procedure for conducting", exactly what the Prohibition of conducting in general provides!
This is where the contradiction lies!

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

The Constitution gives the right to unconditional holding a meeting,

Not true. There is nothing "unconditional" there.
There is a right to hold a meeting.
There is not a word about the implementation of this right in the Constitution.
This is the law.

[Revival]

About how!
Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to life.

"Not true. There is nothing 'unconditional' there.
There is not a word about the implementation of this right in the Constitution.
This is the law. "

Here, too, no "certainly" is spelled out.

So, in your opinion this is not at all unconditional?
Passed the law that you can kill and maim and you're done.
By "procedure".

Your logic is great!

And I ask again:
And according to your logic Everything that is spelled out in the law is correct, well, then we come to the conclusion that in Germany in one period laws were issued and acted strictly according to them.
Do you think everyone acted correctly and no one had the right to be indignant?

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

Passed the law that you can kill and maim and you're done.
By "procedure".
Your logic is great

No, not everything with logic is, thank God.
Tired of repeating, the law cannot contradict the provision of the Constitution.
And to explain the conditions on which these or those norms are implemented, not only can, but must. Otherwise, everyone will begin to interpret the rights in their own way.

[Revival]

"to explain the conditions under which these or those norms are implemented."

That is exactly "Implemented", and not to prohibit the Implementation as such.

It is impossible to explain to the point of contradiction!

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

That is exactly "Implemented", and not to prohibit the Implementation as such.
It is impossible to explain to the point of contradiction!

I beg you to cite a law that does not allow you to exercise your constitutional rights.

[Revival]

RUSSIAN FEDERATION
THE FEDERAL LAW
ON MEETINGS, RALLIES, DEMONSTRATIONS,
STEPS AND PICKETING

[Flooding]

I asked you to quote the law, not write its name.
Do you need time to figure it out? You are welcome.

[Revival]

There are articles (text) on that.
Should I copy it for you here?
And 500 times it was mentioned about permission and approval.
Read it yourself

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

There are articles (text) on that.
Should I copy it for you here?
And 500 times it was mentioned about permission and approval.

You are cunning and avoid answering. It's too obvious.
You just do not own such information.
It's much easier to wave slogans and write general phrases.

[Revival]

No, I want you to copy the law here, but the rules of the application do not seem to allow this.
And my claim, I wrote to you 10 times, the possibility of a ban, the need for permission from the person against whom the meeting is actually against.
Or do you think that I invented the ban and the need for permission !?

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

No, I want you to copy the law here, but the rules of the application do not seem to allow this.

Do not disgrace yourself. There then read a few pages.
You could easily master it if you wanted to. BUT you don't know what doesn't suit you there.
And what in the law prevents you from exercising your right to rally and march.
That's what a misfortune.
All that remains is to write nonsense about copying.
Just think about it! You have killed so much time insisting that the law is unconstitutional. And they even found the name of this law. And now you do not know which points in it contradict the Constitution. And ask me to find them for you.

[Drugov]

After the illegal arrest of Platoshkin N.N. Most of the regional branches of the Movement for New Socialism of the country several times applied in accordance with the procedure established by law to hold a rally in support of Platoshkin. Shall you voice the result or will you guess yourself?

[Flooding]

Quote: Drugov

Shall you voice the result or will you guess yourself?

Better voice the answer.
In this case, the wording and justification of the refusal is important.

[Drugov]

Every time we get a refusal, in short, because of a pandemic. Well, and the story is about the fact that during a pandemic you must wear masks, and during a rally you cannot hide your faces, so the event cannot be held due to such a contradiction.

[Flooding]

Get vaccinated and go to the rally with certificates.
In case of force majeure, emergency measures always and everywhere come into force. There is nothing extraordinary in this.

[Drugov]

Are you serving as a case not in the administration? Painfully, the answers to callousness, dryness and indifference are similar.

[Flooding]

Quote: Drugov

Are you serving as a case not in the administration?

Very general. But most likely you meant some kind of government service.
No, I have never been in the civil service.

Quote: Drugov

Painfully, the answers to callousness, dryness and indifference are similar.

Subjective value judgment.
Can you explain how the soullessness of my words manifested itself?
If I were you, I would beware of harsh expressions that could affect the dignity of an opponent. If only because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And if it does not offend anyone and does not call for violence, then this is normal in a democratic society. Try to get used to this idea and do not stigmatize dissidents.

[Drugov]

[quote = Drugov] The answers to callousness, dryness and indifference are painfully similar. [/ quote]
Subjective value judgment.
Can you explain how the soullessness of my words manifested itself?
If I were you, I would beware of harsh expressions that could affect the dignity of an opponent. If only because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And if it does not offend anyone and does not call for violence, then this is normal in a democratic society. Try to get used to this idea and do not stigmatize dissidents. [/ Quote]

Have you sucked it all out of your thumb? Where did I touch your dignity? Yes, your ANSWER is similar in form and content to those that the administration unsubscribes from and I told you about this, where are the attacks or criticism of your opinion? Well, your further mentoring tone about far-fetched violence in a democratic society and the condemnation of dissidents is completely beyond reason.

[Flooding]

Quote: Drugov

Have you sucked it all out of your thumb? Where did I touch your dignity?

Think again.
For example, you are told that your words or actions are soulless.
How do you take such "criticism".
It's on the surface, the basics.

[Drugov]

You think too much of yourself. Is your dignity affected by the fact that your statement was called soulless? A subtle mental organization? This is not the basics, this is pettiness, quarrelsomeness and snobbery. Finish blowing your cheeks and singing about violence that was out of the question and the insults you invented.

[Flooding]

Quote: Drugov

0
You think too much of yourself. Is your dignity affected by the fact that your statement was called soulless? A subtle mental organization? This is not the basics, this is pettiness, quarrelsomeness and snobbery

And you, my dear, did not try to express your thoughts without rudeness?
Why on earth did you decide to impose your point of view on me and moralize?
Hands off my soul organization.
You have nothing to do with it.
At the forum, cultural communication is accepted, if the counterpart is not hamlo.
Stick to accepted norms and leave your moralizing to those who are interested in it.

[Drugov]

So I'm the one doing the moralizing? Have you already forgotten about your mentoring tone, which was pointed out to you and think that your counterpart will not be able to distinguish veiled insults? This means that I was not mistaken in my assessments of you. Well, perhaps I will leave you and your fine nature alone with each other. All the best.

[Flooding]

Quote: Drugov

You have already forgotten about your mentor tone, which you were shown and think that your counterpart will not be able to distinguish veiled insults

No, my dear.
The chat remembers everything.

Quote: Drugov

Painfully, the answers to callousness, dryness and indifference are similar.

Quote: Flood

Can you explain how the soullessness of my words manifested itself?
If I were you, I would beware of harsh expressions that could affect the dignity of an opponent. If only because everyone is entitled to their own opinion

Quiet your ego. And keep within the bounds of decency.

[Flooding]

Quote: Drugov

Well, your further mentoring tone about far-fetched violence in a democratic society and the condemnation of dissidents is completely beyond reason.

Not just the edge of reason, but beyond your understanding.
Feel the difference.
I wrote just that any point of view has a right to exist, if it does not offend others and does not call for violence. What is beyond the bounds here? And what is far-fetched here?

[Revival]

Yes, but the mayor's office of Moscow was able to organize a mass race, it allowed itself, as it was during a pandemic.
"

Magazine \
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RUNNING
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Author Elena Matveeva - 02.08.2020/15197/XNUMX XNUMX
The Moscow Half Marathon took place on August 2. The start was postponed from May to August due to the coronavirus epidemic. There were two distances: 21,1 km and 5 km. In parallel, according to the established tradition, the sports and music festival "Achieving the goal!" Was held.

That's all for the emergency measures!

[Drugov]

That's right, this gang is selective in the application of measures at its discretion. How to judge a person by violating all possible laws, rights and freedoms, so their measures are increased, and how to promote themselves at marathons, so please.

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

Yes, but the mayor's office of Moscow was able to organize a mass race, it allowed itself, as it was during a pandemic.

I agree with you that this is not normal in an epidemic.

[Revival]

There is no other question, will we put someone in prison for this? Attract?
Нет!
It’s not normal, it’s weak, others do things.
That's all you need to know

[Revival]

Please, Art. 12 "law on meetings":
3. The executive authority of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation or local government refuses to approve the holding of a public event.

This does not suit

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

Please, Art. 12 "law on meetings":
3. The executive authority of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation or local government refuses to approve the holding of a public event.

Don't allow yourself to behave badly. This is unworthy.

Quote: article 12

3. The executive authority of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation or local self-government body refuses to approve the holding of a public event only in cases where a notice of its holding is submitted by a person who, in accordance with this Federal Law, is not entitled to be the organizer of a public event, or if the notification indicates a place where the public event is prohibited in accordance with this Federal Law or the law of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation as the place of the public event.

Источник: http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_48103/cfdb57568397a35cd74ece39f294e3c2d80337ce/
From now on you do not exist for me on this forum, Revival.

[Revival]

I’ll somehow live without you, it’s a pity that the thought that I initially conveyed to you that your demand to copy the entire law into chat is absurd, is a pity, but now I’m convinced, although I don’t understand.
I copied a small fragment for you as an example, and read the whole law where the link is from.

The main idea was that permission is required, and this should not be.
To understand this idea, you do not need to read the whole law, unless of course you dispute the fact of the mandatory presence of permission to hold a rally.

In general, you and I are just wasting our time discussing such topics: there is no point in arguing about human rights with a person who denies the existence of human rights

[Revival]

Yes, I ask 3 times:
And according to your logic Everything that is spelled out in the law is correct, well, then we come to the conclusion that in Germany in one period laws were issued and acted strictly according to them.
Do you think everyone acted correctly and no one had the right to be indignant?

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

Yes, I ask 3 times:
And according to your logic Everything that is spelled out in the law is correct, well, then we come to the conclusion that in Germany in one period laws were issued and acted strictly according to them.
Do you think everyone acted correctly and no one had the right to be indignant?

Obvious things. It depends on which bell tower you look at.
From the point of view of a lawyer practicing in Nazi Germany?
From the point of view of modern universal human norms and values?
From the point of view of Russian legislation?
Laws are never indisputable. If, in your opinion, Russian laws grossly trample on universal human morality, rights and values, then they can be challenged in accordance with the established procedure in a Russian court or in an international instance.
Or welcome to the barricades. But just keep in mind that revolutionaries are ready to pay dearly for their ideas, and nagging is not in common with them.
Act if you are so unhappy that there is no other way. Either within the law or outside the legal space. But be prepared to respond accordingly.

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

The Constitution gives the right to an unconditional holding of a rally, that is, the procedure must regulate how to hold it, exactly how to hold it, whatever, according to any procedure, but precisely to hold it.
And your "procedure for conducting", exactly what the Prohibition of conducting in general provides!
This is where the contradiction lies!

Suddenly it became interesting how you will exercise your "unconditional" rights described in Article 32 of the Constitution

Article 32
1. Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to participate in the management of the affairs of the state both directly and through their representatives.
2. Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to elect and be elected to state bodies and local self-government bodies, as well as to participate in a referendum.
3. Citizens who are recognized as incompetent by the court and who are held in places of deprivation of liberty by a court verdict have no right to elect and be elected.
4. Citizens of the Russian Federation have equal access to public service.
5. Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to participate in the administration of justice.

Introduced myself: Revival enters the State Duma "Hello, where is my chair? I came for my unconditional the right to govern the state. Move over, Zhirinovsky. "

[sleeve]

n1. Article 32 is about a referendum and plebescite. Like what the Constitution was. They came and directly "ruled".

[Varyag71]

"Clever", the Constitution is the main law in the country. At any!

[Revival]

What are you happy with me, frankly, chhch ..

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

What are you happy with me, frankly, chhch ..

You, most importantly, do not if you please on the laws of the Russian Federation.
And the rest of your sneezes to me.
Just don't forget to cover your mouth.

[syndicalist]

Quote: Flood

If any experts think out what this or that article of the Constitution means, a nightmare of an all-Russian scale will come.
That's why there are laws.

Article 15

1. The Constitution of the Russian Federation has the highest legal force, direct effect and is applied throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal acts adopted in the Russian Federation shall not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
DIRECT ACTION - CARL! This means that no clarifying or clarifying laws are needed. And no law should contradict the Constitution. If this happens, then such a law automatically becomes invalid.

[Flooding]

Quote: syndicalist

Article 15

1. The Constitution of the Russian Federation has the highest legal force, direct effect and is applied throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal acts adopted in the Russian Federation shall not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
DIRECT ACTION - CARL! This means that no clarifying or clarifying laws are needed.

Catastrophe. Can you read?
Contradiction with the provisions of the Constitution is not allowed.
You refer to these words and immediately assert that clarifying laws are not needed.
So go and then prove that those who argue that calling minors to rallies is a crime are wrong.

[sleeve]

What will be more important than Article 15 or Article 2 of this Constitution? What to do if the implementation of Article 15 contradicts Article 2?

[Flooding]

Quote: sleeve

What will be more important than Article 15 or Article 2 of this Constitution? What to do if the implementation of Article 15 contradicts Article 2?

Is the question addressed to me?
"What if" is from the category of fortune telling.
Give a specific example.

[sleeve]

No problems. The rally that you gathered (suppose you were going to) hold without notice (implementing Article 15 literally) blocked traffic on the street. Suppose even on the central one. It gave rise to the collapse, as a result, a whole series of citizens' rights according to the list was violated (the right to medical care - soon too late, the right to freedom of movement, but no, traffic jam, the right to life - firefighters took a detour and did not have time, people burned out, etc. .). A specific heuristic example.

[Flooding]

Quote: sleeve

The rally that you have gathered (suppose you are going to) hold without notification (realizing Article 15 verbatim)

What does the unauthorized rally have to do with Article 15 of the Constitution?

[sleeve]

And then what is the discussion about? Have you recognized the impossibility of direct implementation of constitutional law without legislative adjustment? Well, once the word "sanctioned" came into play. Actually, that's all ...

[Flooding]

Quote: sleeve

Have you recognized the impossibility of direct implementation of constitutional law without legislative adjustment?

You are manipulating. I did not deny the necessity of laws.
But at the same time, I think that the laws are not corrected (corrected), but clarified (give more complete detailed information)
Be more correct in polemics.

[sleeve]

There is a nuance. In the USSR, labor was an obligation, not a right. Article for parasitism and a fine and forced labor and employment. The whole set of "pleasures".

[sniperino]

Quote: Flood

If I were you, I would be ashamed to get out with my "II?"

If only ... More shrill: "Eeeeee"

[Revival]

Again!
The procedure should not contradict the meaning.
And now the procedure allows the right to prohibit, this should not be in the law, namely prohibition, the procedure for conducting should not be a prohibition procedure.
Clear?
The Procedure for Conducting is one thing.
The Non-Conduct / Ban procedure is different

[Flooding]

Quote: Revival

The procedure should not contradict the meaning.
And now the procedure allows the right to prohibit, this should not be in the law, namely prohibition, the procedure for conducting should not be a prohibition procedure.
Clear?
The Procedure for Conducting is one thing.
The Non-Conduct / Ban procedure is different

Laws define the legal framework. That is, they outline the framework within which one can act. Everywhere and always. Laws are conditions that must be followed. The state is an apparatus of compulsion to fulfill these conditions. Everywhere and always.
You have a framework outlined. You are not happy. You want to stomp your foot on the teacher.
Well, this is from another opera. Call it what you want - legal nihilism, anarchy - but not a legal state.

[zadorin1974]

Good. With enthusiasm I read your pick with Sergei. The following question arose - judging by his logic, based on his interpretation of the constitution, he cannot refuse us. If we want to hold a rally, shall we admit it after tomorrow in his apartment?)))))

[ANB]

... let's say after tomorrow in his apartment?)))))

I would come.
It would also be nice if there was a law obliging the landlord to provide all demonstrators with beer and snacks. At your own expense. :)

[zadorin1974]

It is a pity that it is not provided))) Next time, when the Constitution will be sawed, it will be necessary to make a proposal. I agree with your proposal))))

[sleeve]

An incidental situation was created. I read the posts. We have the same position with you on the constitutional and legislative platforms. I did not understand, I read your question about addressing my opinion to you. He continued. In vain. The message is not for you.

[Flooding]

Quote: sleeve

... We have the same position with you

In branched correspondence, it is very difficult to understand without a quote from the addressee to whom the words are directed.
Again, I will assume that to me. If this is the case, then I agree that without getting acquainted with the history of correspondence in just one post, it is very easy not to understand the essence and enter into polemics with a person with whom there are no ideological disagreements.

[sleeve]

To you Navodlom, addressed to you ...

[Ugochaves]

Don't confuse warm with soft. The Constitution stipulates the right to rallies, assemblies, etc. Federal law establishes the rule by which all this happens.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Flood

Because you didn't even bother to open the Constitution and check the veracity of your words,

Well, I opened it. And now I will quote you an interesting article.
Article 19
1. All are equal before the law and the court.
2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
Let's see what is imputed to bulk. Damage of 20 million rubles. Very controversial by the way. The second thing is generally a fairy tale. We provided postal services, at prices higher than the market average .... Hmm ... We plant ... Well, let's say all those selling Mercedes. For cars are sold at "prices above the market average." Okay, it's all lyrics. Let him be to blame for everything, and he must be imprisoned. Again I agree.
And now we remember ... Well, for example, nornickel. Honestly trampled by the state. In 2019 alone, a profit of 400 billion rubles was recorded. Those. in just a year, damage was caused 20.000 times greater than what is imputed to bulk. Question. Why Potanin and Deripaska, who robbed the country like hundreds of thousands of bulk did not dream, are not prosecuted. The Constitution, as it were, obliges.
Do you really not understand, or are you pretending not to understand that the protest is not in favor of the bulk, but against the rotten system through and through? In which 95% are obliged to live according to the laws, otherwise they will be dispersed or imprisoned, or all together, but the rest, the chosen ones, did not care about anything and everything. Both the constitution and the laws. And there will be no bulk ... There will be oval, square or triangular there. This is simply because more and more people do not want to live according to criminal concepts. And actually there are only two options. Or to bring the elites to their senses, with the landings covered up, regardless of connections, or the people and the state will finally become strangers. Once the authorities brought the country to such a position. In principle, if you delve into history, the situation in the country is almost similar to the end of the 19th century. All that is missing is a resounding defeat in foreign policy, which is only a matter of time. For any state goes through such defeats. Sooner or later. And then gasp. Want a second civilian? Are you ready to lay down your life for the right of the Usmanovs and Potanins to profit to their fullest?

[Flooding]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Well, I opened it. And now I will quote you an interesting article.

Well, there are a lot of articles.
I have no doubt that you can quote many more.
Yes, here I have no time.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: Flood

Because you didn't even bother to open the Constitution and check the veracity of your words,

Well, I opened it. And now I will quote you an interesting article.
Article 19
1. All are equal before the law and the court.
2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
Let's see what is imputed to bulk. Damage of 20 million rubles. Very controversial by the way. The second thing is generally a fairy tale. We provided postal services, at prices higher than the market average .... Hmm ... We plant ... Well, let's say all those selling Mercedes. For cars are sold at "prices above the market average." Okay, it's all lyrics. Let him be to blame for everything, and he must be imprisoned. Again I agree.
And now we remember ... Well, for example, nornickel. Honestly trampled by the state. In 2019 alone, a profit of 400 billion rubles was recorded. Those. in just a year, damage was caused 20.000 times greater than what is imputed to bulk. Question. Why Potanin and Deripaska, who robbed the country like hundreds of thousands of bulk did not dream, are not prosecuted. The Constitution, as it were, obliges.
Do you really not understand, or are you pretending not to understand that the protest is not in favor of the bulk, but against the rotten system through and through? In which 95% are obliged to live according to the laws, otherwise they will be dispersed or imprisoned, or all together, but the rest, the chosen ones, did not care about anything and everything. Both the constitution and the laws. And there will be no bulk ... There will be oval, square or triangular there. This is simply because more and more people do not want to live according to criminal concepts. And actually there are only two options. Or to bring the elites to their senses, with the landings covered up, regardless of connections, or the people and the state will finally become strangers. Once the authorities brought the country to such a position. In principle, if you delve into history, the situation in the country is almost similar to the end of the 19th century. All that is missing is a resounding defeat in foreign policy, which is only a matter of time. For any state goes through such defeats. Sooner or later. And then gasp. Want a second civilian? Are you ready to lay down your life for the right of the Usmanovs and Potanins to profit to their fullest?

Are you ready to lay down your life for the right to profit from the protests to their fullest?

[carstorm 11]

Those. let's let go of a little natyr? Is this your logic? Well, since nornickel shows 400 yards, and is he charged with some snotty 20 lyams?)

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: carstorm 11

let's let go of a little natyr? Is this your logic?

And this is not my logic. This is the logic of the constitution. Either the bulk, Potanin and Vasya Pupkin, who have filled a box of vodka, are sitting on the neighboring bunks, or they, all together, are walking free. For article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Don't like the Russian Constitution? Well, a suitcase, a train station, somalia. Or where else. I do not know in which Papuan the right of the elect to steal is legally enshrined, but you obviously go there.

[carstorm 11]

I have not stolen a penny in my life. Unlike this clown. This is not a protest. This is a business. Very simple. Show in front of sponsors where the money goes. In this case, leaving a part to yourself. It's not original at all for 30 years

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: carstorm 11

I have not stolen a penny in my life. Unlike this clown.

Did you make a profit? Well: "And on the bunk, but on the bunk, on guitars, on guitars, we will play about freedom and love ...."

[carstorm 11]

I receive an official contract salary. Which I practice on all points. Otherwise, it will simply not be extended to me. I will never go to work without these conditions. I have three daughters and I still have to raise and raise them.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: carstorm 11

I receive an official contract salary.

Then Krasnodar must be planted.

[carstorm 11]

So plant. Why are you writing this to me at all?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: carstorm 11

Why are you writing this to me at all?

They explained to you why they want to put Navalny in prison.

Quote: carstorm 11

I have not stolen a penny in my life. Unlike this clown.

You said it was theft. Based on this, all business owners, from the owner of the bagel tent to your main one, can be planted.

[carstorm 11]

In theory, yes. Any business is always at gunpoint. And large white gloves are not created. But this has been the case at all times, anywhere in the world.

[Drugov]

That is, do you mind how the people's property was plundered in the 90s and that now a handful of those close to the tsar use this loot for their own pleasure, sharing with the Kremlin roof?

[carstorm 11]

Let's just say, I resigned myself to this as something that cannot be changed.

[Drugov]

Does this mean that those who are not ready to put up with this are a priori wrong?

[carstorm 11]

This is your choice. I do not blame him. Everyone has his own path

[Drugov]

This, it seems to me, is the essence of our common misfortune, that everyone has their own path on issues where there should not be a double interpretation. That is, not knowing the materials of the case, but trusting the word of those scoundrels who robbed the state, you, referring to the power of thieves, claim that Navalny is a thief (just do not think that I am defending him)? I want to understand what is the difference between these parasites?

[carstorm 11]

I am not referring to anything. I just know that nothing can be returned back. It is not a question of the number of interpretations. It's just a matter of reality and your relationship to it. A simple example. I have three daughters. Wife. Well-established life. Everything is handmade. Do you really think that I am overwhelmed by some ephemeral wishlist of yours or someone else? That I would decide to bury all this for some kind of justice? Parasites really don't make a difference. But Navalny is not our parasite for sure. Anyone's but definitely not ours. And I personally somehow sympathize with those whom various world intelligence services openly cover, as it is not going to. Thieves have been and will be. But the harm from them is much less than from traitors.

[Drugov]

Does this mean that you have confidence that your three and my three can be as successful in the future of Russia as we did? Don't you think that the further we are from justice, the closer to lawlessness? That the more we are immersed in a showdown between traitors and thieves, we do not see the forest for the trees, and instead of throwing both of them on the bunks, we argue which of them is more ours and that it is better to rob the country for 30 years or betray it for ten without much success?

[carstorm 11]

I am sure about that. They can only be hindered by their own laziness. Opportunities around the darkness. And again, you can do whatever you want. I choose my family and what is behind the trees does not bother me.

[sleeve]

We object of course. We are watching the return. Heavy dreary, according to the rules of this liberal lads, but without blood ... Just don't need "Where is the return ?!" Please yourself.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: "I do not know in which Papuan the right of the elect to steal is legally enshrined, but you obviously go there."
In which Papuans? Yes, wherever there is capitalism ... And they do not steal, but make a profit. You need to understand. :)

[Revival]

No, the logic seems to be to start planting (or at least simultaneously) with a greater amount of damage to the state and people

[culinary]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: Flood

Because you didn't even bother to open the Constitution and check the veracity of your words,

Well, I opened it. And now I will quote you an interesting article.
Article 19
1. All are equal before the law and the court.
2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
Let's see what is imputed to bulk. Damage of 20 million rubles. Very controversial by the way. The second thing is generally a fairy tale. We provided postal services, at prices higher than the market average .... Hmm ... We plant ... Well, let's say all those selling Mercedes. For cars are sold at "prices above the market average." Okay, it's all lyrics. Let him be to blame for everything, and he must be imprisoned. Again I agree.
And now we remember ... Well, for example, nornickel. Honestly trampled by the state. In 2019 alone, a profit of 400 billion rubles was recorded. Those. in just a year, damage was caused 20.000 times greater than what is imputed to bulk. Question. Why Potanin and Deripaska, who robbed the country like hundreds of thousands of bulk did not dream, are not prosecuted. The Constitution, as it were, obliges.
Do you really not understand, or are you pretending not to understand that the protest is not in favor of the bulk, but against the rotten system through and through? In which 95% are obliged to live according to the laws, otherwise they will be dispersed or imprisoned, or all together, but the rest, the chosen ones, did not care about anything and everything. Both the constitution and the laws. And there will be no bulk ... There will be oval, square or triangular there. This is simply because more and more people do not want to live according to criminal concepts. And actually there are only two options. Or to bring the elites to their senses, with the landings covered up, regardless of connections, or the people and the state will finally become strangers. Once the authorities brought the country to such a position. In principle, if you delve into history, the situation in the country is almost similar to the end of the 19th century. All that is missing is a resounding defeat in foreign policy, which is only a matter of time. For any state goes through such defeats. Sooner or later. And then gasp. Want a second civilian? Are you ready to lay down your life for the right of the Usmanovs and Potanins to profit to their fullest?

Are you offering a bloodbath for Russia?
1917 is not enough for you? Is "perestroika" not enough for you with pro-Western managers in power?
What does Navalny offer?
Economically. Thesis.
Can you give an example?

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: kulinar

Are you offering a bloodbath for Russia?

I am pleased with your assessment of our elites. Either they are untouchable, or they organize a bloodbath. I agree but 100%.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: kulinar

Are you offering a bloodbath for Russia?

I am pleased with your assessment of our elites. Either they are untouchable, or they organize a bloodbath. I agree but 100%.

Stop carrying the blizzard. As little kids trying to play the storming of the Capitol. If you lived in the United States, your democrats would quickly turn your heads off for such attempts, but since you are in Russia, you get away with everything.

[culinary]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: kulinar

Are you offering a bloodbath for Russia?

I am pleased with your assessment of our elites. Either they are untouchable, or they organize a bloodbath. I agree but 100%.

But essentially?
What are your suggestions for Russia?
To change the president ... blah, blah blah ...
And then what?
What does your idol suggest to do next?

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: kulinar

What does your idol suggest to do next?

1. Rather yours. I remember that about him only when the likes of you begin to lament - oh, bulk, oh, bulk.
2. And I suggest. Personally, you need to think about it. Do you want your children and grandchildren to live under the rule of criminals? Just answer bluntly, yes I want a life under the rule of crime for my children. No I do not want to. And the actions ... They will follow from the answer.

[culinary]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: kulinar

What does your idol suggest to do next?

1. Rather yours. I remember that about him only when the likes of you begin to lament - oh, bulk, oh, bulk.
2. And I suggest. Personally, you need to think about it. Do you want your children and grandchildren to live under the rule of criminals? Just answer bluntly, yes I want a life under the rule of crime for my children. No I do not want to. And the actions ... They will follow from the answer.

Blabbing the question is in your opinion .... and shift from a sore head to a healthy one.
First, answer for the economic question, and then we will be measured against criminals ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: kulinar

Blabbing the question is yours ....

Chatting? They ask you in plain text. Why the laws of the Russian Federation are not obligatory for those close to them. When you answer it, then say that I am chatting up something there.
Dixi.

[culinary]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: kulinar

Blabbing the question is yours ....

Chatting? They ask you in plain text. Why the laws of the Russian Federation are not obligatory for those close to them. When you answer it, then say that I am chatting up something there.
Dixi.

To get started, take the trouble to answer the question that was asked to you! And only after that ask your own. Answering a question with a question is at least not cultural.
Although ... the adherents of the "poisoned" culture is alien, like conscience. After all, completely unscrupulous, cruel and cynical people can involve minors in riots.
So either you answer the question, or we stop this flood.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: kulinar

So either you answer the question, or we stop this flood.

Heh. Can't you read? I answered you right away. She advised me to think. You are satisfied that the country is run by people who, from the point of view of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, are criminals. And answer the question. Where do you want to live. In a law-abiding country, or on a criminal raspberry. From the answer you notskillfully evaded, starting to talk about shifting from head to head.
PS
And yes, little paw, without a direct answer to what you like, the law or concepts, do not bother yourself with further reasoning. Or at least don't expect a reaction to them.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Where do you want to live. In a law-abiding country, or on a criminal raspberry. You non-technically evaded the answer by starting to talk about shifting from head to head.

Yes, he already lives in England.

[culinary]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Lannan Shi

Where do you want to live. In a law-abiding country, or on a criminal raspberry. You non-technically evaded the answer by starting to talk about shifting from head to head.

Yes, he already lives in England.

Yes. And by the way, our BLAMs were dispersed in three days. And ultras joined in to help the police! So much so that the police got it, when they had to protect the "descendants of slaves" ...
So it is in big cities. Organize concerned citizens to protect law and order.
And what then will the liberals scream if their own fellow citizens will blizzard?
As the experience of London has shown, it is quite an effective measure. The people showed that they did not share the position of the BLaMs ... They calmed down, unlike the zaluzhniki.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kulinar

And what then will the liberals scream if their own fellow citizens will blizzard?

I'm afraid they won't be piled up there. And against the system.

[culinary]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: kulinar

So either you answer the question, or we stop this flood.

I answered you right away. She advised me to think. ...

Did I ask for advice?
I asked a specific question about the non-criminals economic program.
You just crave to get to the trough, that's all your base desire. Beautiful phrases were on the Maidan. And how did it all end? We have already seen how people like you destroy dissent. Therefore, I am completely on the side of the police!

[RitaNik]

Bravo to you for your comments, Lannan Shi!
They will not answer you anything intelligible. they are satisfied when we are "not 37 years old" for Vasilyeva and Serdyukov and "please treat with understanding" for the rest.

[culinary]

Quote: RitaNik

Bravo to you for your comments, Lannan Shi!
They will not answer you anything intelligible. they are satisfied when we are "not 37 years old" for Vasilyeva and Serdyukov and "please treat with understanding" for the rest.

By the way, what are the claims to Serdyukov?
Specifically?

[RitaNik]

Evgenia Vasilyeva and Anatoly Serdyukov gained all-Russian fame due to the corruption scandal that happened in November 2012. Then they, along with other employees of Oboronservis, were detained on suspicion of organized fraud and embezzlement of state property worth more than 350 million rubles.


As a result, all of Vasilyeva's property was seized, and in October 2013 she was charged with 12 episodes of fraud, legalization of criminal funds, abuse of office, and embezzlement of state funds on an especially large scale in her position in the defense department. Evgenia Vasilyeva's trial lasted 10 months. All this time, she was under arrest in her luxurious apartment, having managed to publish a collection of poems and organize an exhibition of her own paintings during this year.
Anatoly Serdyukov, Minister of Defense, who was a defendant in a criminal case under the article "Negligence". However, in February 2014, the case against Serdyukov was dropped - the former head of the Ministry of Defense came under an amnesty in honor of the 20th anniversary of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

Vasilyeva was found guilty of fraud in the sale of assets of the military department and sentenced to five years in prison with a sentence in a general regime colony. She stayed in the colony for exactly 34 days, and in 2015 she was released on parole

Well, you are sure that Serdyukov did not even know what his subordinate Vasilyeva was doing there.

[Orange bigg]

Who are you trying to build a dialogue with? It's useless. For American grandmothers such copies of the Motherland will be sold without batting an eye. They have no principles whatsoever. And then, if something happens, as citizens of one post-Maidan borscht republic, they screw everything abroad and leave behind mountains of manure. There is no one to talk to about. That's the problem. They load stupidly slogans and that's all, but behind the slogans there is nothing.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: OrangeBigg

screwed abroad

And you are now answering a person who has already screwed up abroad.

[culinary]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: OrangeBigg

screwed abroad

And you are now answering a person who has already screwed up abroad.

I have not "screwed" abroad. They just left me here, depriving me of my citizenship. Can you imagine your ID with the inscription ALIEN? And I lived with him for a long time.
So be careful in your judgments ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kulinar

They just left me here, deprived of my citizenship

Well, ask back. It's good here, neither in a fairy tale, nor in a pen to describe.

[culinary]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: kulinar

They just left me here, deprived of my citizenship

Well, ask back. It's good here, neither in a fairy tale, nor in a pen to describe.

Tried to...
Then he danced the anthem of one proud country of "success" and left with his family for the island.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kulinar

Tried to...

Tried badly. If you don't grease it, you won't go. Here a friend has a neighbor, an employee of the Federal Migration Service, in a couple of years he built such a hut, my friend built one and a half times less for twenty years.

[culinary]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: kulinar

Tried to...

Tried badly. If you don't grease it, you won't go. Here a friend has a neighbor, an employee of the Federal Migration Service, in a couple of years he built such a hut, my friend built one and a half times less for twenty years.

Twelve years ago, the situation was completely different. Even my uncle's service at the migration office did not help. Well, what's done is done ...

[Varyag71]

Write to Putin

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: kulinar

What does your idol suggest to do next?

1. Rather yours. I remember that about him only when the likes of you begin to lament - oh, bulk, oh, bulk.
2. And I suggest. Personally, you need to think about it. Do you want your children and grandchildren to live under the rule of criminals? Just answer bluntly, yes I want a life under the rule of crime for my children. No I do not want to. And the actions ... They will follow from the answer.

Navalny, in your opinion, is not a criminal? Can you live under his rule? Apparently you have already answered your question and said yes I want my children to live under the rule of crime.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Do you really not understand, or are you pretending not to understand that the protest is not in favor of the bulk, but against the thoroughly rotten system?

I am not against the Motherland, I am against the State. Change the record, already worn out to the holes.

[sleeve]

Everything has opened! Navalny is an innocent convict ... Well, there is innocence on the surface!

[Yura]

Quote: Revival

The constitution says that rallies can be held by Notice, and in the law suddenly by permission, but of course there is no contradiction here, of course.

You talk about rallies. Well, what can you say to this - the ex-head of Navalny's headquarters in the Kaliningrad region Alexander Chernikov exposes Navalny https://cv1.pikabu.ru/video/2021/01/23/1611402546256859072_352x640.webm

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Revival

The Constitution says that rallies can be held by Notice

and it is possible to give the FULL ARTICLE of the Constitution where it is written?
Article 31
Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.

I didn’t see a word about the notification, that is, the laws governing rallies and other public events

[Revival]

Should security agencies defend any law?

[YOUR]

They survived, under the USSR the cops did not hide their faces and laws were not adopted allowing the police to act anonymously. Here about the Riga OMON they wrote so those guys did not hide their faces. And now strong athletic guys in masks, with weapons, without insignia, will stop you on the track, so they do not need to introduce themselves according to the adopted laws. Yezhovshchina some, although then the same faces were not hidden.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: YOUR

They survived, under the USSR the cops did not hide their faces and laws were not adopted allowing the police to act anonymously.

Then there were no smartphones and social networks with messengers. It was very difficult to de-anonymize the policemen and their relatives.

[Revival]

So they are for the law and act according to the law, why be afraid?
And, you saw women kicked in the stomach with their fists ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Revival

So they are for the law and act according to the law, why be afraid?

That some repulsed "activist" would attack their children or wives or parents.

[Revival]

So don't work there.
Every job has a second side of the coin.
They go into the army in peacetime, and they should now be allowed to leave during the war, otherwise it was normal, but now it becomes dangerous

[hohkn]

Quote: Revival

So don't work there.
Every job has a second side of the coin.

There is no need to be clever. When in the 90s people started to break into my family's apartment while I was at work, I think my wife and children were not very pleased.
An imprint of a tibia on the forehead of one of the bursting ones survived until the very arrival at the IVS.
And they do not hide their faces on their own initiative. There are orders for this. In particular, there is an order of the Minister of Internal Affairs of 04.01.1993 No. 01. Everything is described there, up to the position in which, in the absence of conditions of detention, the detainees should stand.

[Drugov]

So he can kick in the belly of other people's wives and grandmothers and beat everyone in a row with truncheons at a peaceful protest, and if suddenly he is answered in kind, then right away: And me for sho?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I have watched this notorious video many times. From the camera angle, it is completely unclear whether he kicked or did not kick.
And then, you yourself are not interested in why, if police brutality and impunity is widespread, why is this unfortunate video the only one? As usual, at the right moment all the phones and cameras were instantly "on discharge", just like in Donbass?

[Drugov]

Yes, stop acting like a fool, yesterday the leadership personally apologized in the victim's ward, promising to find and punish those responsible. Who will apologize to all those who came out against the thieves' power and peacefully received a truncheon on the ridge from the guardsmen of the bandit regime?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Well, so it brought and promised. What else do you need? Public quartering of the guilty?
Where does this ridiculous confidence come from that the other government will not be the same thieves and bandits?

[Drugov]

Are everyone equal before the law? I do not need quartering, but an open trial of cruel scoundrels who decided that since they had a ksiva, a club and a mask, it would be enough to mutilate people whom they are supposed to serve in the organs of. Everyone, be it a cop, a bandit, an official or the president, must understand that they will be judged for breaking the law !!! With such an attitude, as you have, any power will behave like a bandit.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Drugov

So he can kick in the belly of other people's wives and grandmothers and beat everyone in a row with truncheons at a peaceful protest

[carstorm 11]

This has already been canceled by forcing everyone to wear a personal badge. Write down the number and do as permitted by law. Damn, here I live and in general I'm not afraid of riot police. Never touched in my life. Apparently I live as boringly ...

[YOUR]

The token is only from the gayts. Neither the OMON nor the National Guards have them. And here is a bunch of videos, find at least one token.

[carstorm 11]

https://rg-ru.turbopages.org/rg.ru/s/2020/11/17/rosgvardejcev-obiazali-nosit-nagrudnye-zhetony.html вы отстали от жизни.

[Revival]

"Two police officers who detained journalists in the center of Moscow who took part in single pickets in support of the journalist and municipal deputy Ilya Azar, wore tokens with the same numbers - 010474 MKV on their chests. This is confirmed by photographs from the scene."

Do you think they were fired?

[carstorm 11]

How do I know?) Do you really think I will track various picketers? They burned the same tokens - a statement to the supervisors. They will drink all their blood.

[hohkn]

Quote: carstorm 11

you are behind the times

Only private security officers have badges.
SOBR and OMON do not have them.

[carstorm 11]

If you read the order carefully, then even video recording is introduced there. And there is not a single word about the exclusion of specialists from this. Although I would classify SOBR. They have enough enemies.

[hohkn]

Quote: carstorm 11

And there is not a single word about the exclusion of specialists from this.

The last time I was in SOBR was at the end of December. There was no talk at all about any tokens, otherwise they would have told. Minus is not mine. Compensated.

[carstorm 11]

I am guided by orders. There is not a single word about the exception. Of course, the command will slow down. It has always been and will be so. But it is quite clear and specific. And even if they were going to hang cameras on SOBR, it is clearly also very clear.

[hohkn]

When we referred to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, we had tokens. We passed it on to the Russian Guard. I never put it on, except for a drill review. The rest of the time the token was "in good faith" in the safe.

Quote: carstorm 11

And even if they were going to hang cameras on SOBR, it is clearly also very clear.

Anything can be. I haven't seen the order yet, so I can't say anything ...
But at whose expense is the banquet again? Will "internal reserves" be forced to search again?
Now I looked at the draft law. There's making changes:

Article 24 of the Federal Law of July 3, 2016 No. 6-FZ "On the troops
of the National Guard of the Russian Federation "(Collection of legislation
Of the Russian Federation, 2016, No. 27, Art. 4159; 2017, no. 50, art. 7562; 2018, no. 11,
Art. 1575; No. 31, art. 4853; No. 42 (Part II), Art. 6378) supplement part 12
the following content:
"12. On a serviceman's uniform or ammunition
(employee) of the National Guard troops, serving in public
places with a clearly visible identification number. Not
it is allowed to carry out service in public places without identification
numbers with either partial or complete concealment. "

As I understand it, this is just the case with the currently available numbers issued for special operations. Their "owner" changes every time. It is forbidden to issue the same number to the same employee every time.
By the way, the project has not been adopted since September 2019.

[carstorm 11]

I don't know) I wouldn't do that. These sneaks will simply merge into the network all the addresses that they burn. This is not very good. Moreover, SOBR. And the order was signed that year. Will bring in over time. You know what a magic pendel can do. But again, I am extremely negative about this. It will come back to haunt later.

[YOUR]

Where to hang the camera on your chest? And whose actions will be filmed at the same time or those who stand opposite.
I carefully watched the video in Khabarovsk, where the OMON officers seem to be there, but there they are without equipment, but in Vladik, the cyborgs who are beating people in spite of the child, woman, man have no badges

[YOUR]

Passed through your link. In general, the mood is zero after the photo. Goes with a machine gun to the ready as in enemy territory.
What is going on in our country? Are we enemies for the state ???

[hohkn]

Quote: YOUR

The token is only from the gayts. Neither the riot police nor the national guards have them.

They have a bib number issued for each special operation.

[Revival]

Yeah token ..
That under the form is not visible, then oops two identical numbers

[Revival]

Why should you be afraid, you always voluntarily loudly For, even if the muzzle and collar are told to wear

[carstorm 11]

Where did you get this?) I just have enough worries of my own to waste time provoking the security forces. And if you take into account the fact that I respect everyone with shoulder straps much more than clowns screaming across the squares, then everything is quite clear. I don’t vote, I don’t belong to parties and I don’t have political affiliations. I don't care about red or green at all

[Runway]

Silently watched? And the parents silently watched how the referendum was buried?
In the Armed Forces of Ukraine (RF) (I can't imagine where you lived) went to serve in silence, recognizing the right of the new state to you, as a citizen?

[Igoresha]

in the form of the director of the educational institution

our directors of the state farm and the institute, the right to rule the communists entered the RUH. And the ex-director of the school, who rose from a private to a colonel during the war, did not repaint, as schoolchildren we wore portraits of Lenin and red banners in his garage from school

[Anatoly 288]

Probably in the project

[garik77]

Most likely he danced on bones. For liberals, this is a favorite pastime ..

[venik]

Quote: Clever man

And where were you when the USSR was broken?

=======
WHERE were we ALL? ......

[XXXIII]

I'll put my five kopecks into the machine of happiness.

OMON is working. How are the protests in the Far East and Siberia

Judging by the statistics, the riot police did a good job. I cleaned it out pointwise, left the calm ones to let off steam in the fresh air. But for the bulk, I would not even go out in sunny weather. How can you believe in this Kremlin project, a bulk clown. In general, the opinion of the people as an opposition is much stronger than any opposition representatives, but there are also weak-willed ones, alas.

[Alien From]

The machine worked)

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR?

In my opinion, it was not at all ... There were the Ministry of Internal Affairs troops, but they had neither equipment, nor appropriate training, nor tactics ...

[halpat]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR?

In my opinion, it was not at all ... There were the Ministry of Internal Affairs troops, but they had neither equipment, nor appropriate training, nor tactics ...

another...
well, at least google it
after all, a person does not live by tiktok alone

It's time to go online using a copy of your passport. :)
up to 18, up to 21 and so on
But Papkin's (Mamkin's) passport will be pulled down, well, at least the belts can be punished when the police come :))

[three]

You are in vain making mistakes ... They come to the state. posts and our opinion and conviction they do not care ... Now that. who does not know the 90s - 20-27, three or four years will pass and nothing will remain of "the main thing is stability".

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: tros

Now those. who does not know the 90s - 20-27, three or four years will pass and nothing will remain of "the main thing is stability".

And I personally don't care. I know the 90s, and I know that personally in the 90s I lived several times better than I do now.

[three]

I also lived better (although I’m not complaining now), I’m just trying to say that the situation is objective and nothing to do with the bulk. You can jail everyone like Old Man, the reasons are different ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: tros

although I'm not complaining now)

But here we have a normal work of figs you will find.

[sniperino]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And I personally don't care. I know the 90s, and I know that personally in the 90s I lived several times better than I do now.

Right now you are dropping yourself in my eyes: without a twinge of conscience, you show how much you value your money and how much you do not care about the country. I believe that not only in mine.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: sniperino

how much you value your money and how much you don't care about the country.

Why are you silent then? Well, give me something about my purse.

[sniperino]

Quote: Mordvin 3

give out something

Saturday, bath day ... I can give you a bar of soap. And a rope, just in case.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: sniperino

I can hand out a bar of soap. And a rope, just in case.

RF Criminal Code Article 110.1. Inducing or facilitating suicide
(introduced by the Federal Law from 07.06.2017 N 120-FZ)

1. Inclination to commit suicide by persuasion, proposals

Up to two years. Will it go?

[sniperino]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Inducing or facilitating suicide ... Up to two years. Will it go?

Tie a rope - tie a basin so as not to be stolen while washing
you will. And then suicidal thoughts ... Judas also had. Or is it because of December, conscience does not matter here?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: sniperino

Tie a rope - tie a basin so as not to be stolen while washing
you will.

Oh, how he got rid of it. There is nothing to say about my purse. How and why I wanted to spit, no, not the country, not. This pipeline-gas pipeline-baryzhniy one is being built.

[sniperino]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Oh, how I got rid of ... I wanted to spit, no, not the country, no. To build this

And he spat on the country that was at war with terrorists, and the people who were really in poverty in the 90s. You won't get rid of it.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: sniperino

And spat on a country that fought terrorists

Is this in Chechnya, or what? Well, if Dudayev had not demanded world prices for oil transit, no one would have scratched himself. But, no, our nouveau riches didn't like it.

Quote: sniperino

and the people who really lived in poverty in the 90s.

Am I not a people? I worked in an enterprise where, unlike today, workers were not treated like slaves.

Quote: sniperino

You won't get rid of it.

From what, I wonder? Maybe I didn't want to pay the contractors? Or did I make the Alpha fighters sit out on the bus when the Raduevtsy walked through the GRU positions? Or did I forbid the 6th company of the Pskov paratroopers to go to the rescue of the XNUMXth company? Did I carry out Operation Sunset and create the Semibarkinism? He awarded Gusinsky with a pistol, and then imprisoned him for it? Why should I otmazyvatsya then?

[sniperino]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Quote: sniperino

You won't get rid of it.

From what, I wonder? Maybe I didn't want to pay the contractors?

I went crazy. From this

And I personally don't care. I know the 90s, and I know that personally in the 90s I lived several times better than I do now.

To live richer is not to live better if your country is dying. Ferstein?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: sniperino

To live richer is not to live better if your country is dying.

And she is dying now. More precisely, it turned into a powerless gas station with a vigorous bomb, which is like the last grenade. Ferstein?

[sniperino]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And she is dying now.

Can't wait. McCain's quote will not help. And McCain himself will not help.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: sniperino

Do not wait.

Well, well ... God forbid our calf to gore a wolf ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Halpat

another...
well, at least google it
after all, a person does not live by tiktok alone

Googled. Founded in 1988. A total of 12 cities of the USSR. The numerical composition is clearly small. That's why I didn't remember them ...

[saigon]

Well, the Soviet explosives in the Transcaucasia, without vadalaz helmets and all sorts of bells and whistles, saved protective people.
So it is possible without riot police.
The main thing is that there was no blood now.

[major147]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR?

In my opinion, it was not at all ... There were the Ministry of Internal Affairs troops, but they had neither equipment, nor appropriate training, nor tactics ...

Omon was created in the late 80s. Either 87, or 89 years.

[figwam]

How are the protests in the Far East and Siberia

This thief in the squares wants to steal from us a peaceful life and freedom, knit these provocateurs! The riot police are just angels compared to the Western police. Children are also involved, down and out bastards.

[Alien From]

Here you are right as never before !!!

[Machito]

Quote: figvam

How are the protests in the Far East and Siberia

This thief in the squares wants to steal from us a peaceful life and freedom, knit these provocateurs! The riot police are just angels compared to the Western police. Children are also involved, down and out bastards.

The fifth column, funded by the State Department, went out on the march.
In the new democratic Washington terminology, they are all internal terrorists. For such actions, they will be imprisoned in the United States for 10-20 years in prison.
I would understand them if they went to the square for communism. But to destroy your country in order to exchange an awl for soap. That beats me.
I can imagine how the TV commentators of the "democratic" channels are choking with joy in the USA now. Still, such a reason to distract the Americans from the capitol problems.
But Pasaran. They won't pass.

[Grits]

Quote: figvam

This thief in the squares wants to steal from us a peaceful life and freedom, knit these provocateurs! The riot police are just angels compared to the Western police. Children are also involved, down and out bastards.

I live in a small village in Primorye, in the regional center. Yesterday I talked with our local police and they said that they were instructed to monitor the situation. To prevent unauthorized rallies and riots. At that time, we all laughed together that if such a rally happened in our country, it would only be with the demand to send Navalny to the bunk as soon as possible.
There was never a meeting. In small villages and small towns, no one cares deeply about the little-known stealing "fighter against corruption" with dirty cowards.

[major147]

Quote: figvam

Children are also involved,

But there are normal children
https://www.yaplakal.com/forum28/topic2220579.html

[sniperino]

Quote: figvam

Children are also involved, bastards.

They understand that even one injured teenager will cause more emotions in society than a dozen corpses of adult liberals.

[atakan]

The protest was channeled.
A process was swapped.
This mess run by ISKIN bots via social networks,
is not something worth supporting for real citizens.
This crap is only for the kids of the zombie internet.

[figwam]

Yes, coordination comes from Poland and the Baltic states.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: figvam

Yes, coordination comes from Poland and the Baltic states.

Coordination comes from the madhouse. Judging by the vidos carnival escaped from the slammer?

[figwam]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Judging by the vidos carnival escaped from the slammer?

The usual face of the opposition.

[Orange bigg]

The face is not at the rally now. And the video says that it is a live broadcast, but in fact, videos of past years are shown. How so? Incorrect. Someone mows.

[figwam]

Quote: OrangeBigg

but in fact, videos of past years are shown.

I have a live broadcast.

[Orange bigg]

And they show the face at the rally live, who is now in prison?

[figwam]

Quote: OrangeBigg

And they show the face at the rally live, who is now in prison?

I do not know what you are watching, I do not like to turn it off and do not look.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: figvam

Quote: OrangeBigg

And they show the face at the rally live, who is now in prison?

I do not know what you are watching, I do not like to turn it off and do not look.

Dear, I personally do not watch anything. It's just that this video captures the face of a person who is currently in prison and cannot be physically at the rally, but here he is in the ranks of the protesters and it says that this is a live broadcast. 'How is this possible?

Quote: figvam

Yes, coordination comes from Poland and the Baltic states.

[figwam]

Quote: OrangeBigg

, and here he is in the ranks of the protesters and at the same time it is said that this is a live broadcast. 'How is this possible?

In what ranks? This is just a picture showing who came to the rally.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: figvam

Quote: OrangeBigg

, and here he is in the ranks of the protesters and at the same time it is said that this is a live broadcast. 'How is this possible?

In what ranks? This is just a picture showing who came to the rally.

It's him?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: OrangeBigg

It's him?

Che, the last picture looks like a deputy Valuev.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: OrangeBigg

It's just that this vidos captures the face of a person who is currently in prison and cannot be at the rally

This is the screensaver.

[Reserve buildbat]

He escaped from the fool. Through an oversight of the orderlies.

[Baloo]

Quote: atakan

This crap is only for the kids of the zombie internet.

Hopefully dig deeper, I have the role of AUE. In the states, blacks were pushed by crime bosses.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: atakan

crap only for children of the zombie internet.

So the most disgusting thing is that the oppa-thugs use stupid youths exclusively as meat. They only need a "juicy" picture to show the "progressive public". Tellingly, none of the local nedopps (all these svarog-gardamirs, etc.) twitched anywhere, but habitually hang out here, injecting microdoses of rotten heresy on duty.

[Machito]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: atakan

crap only for children of the zombie internet.

So the most disgusting thing is that the oppa-thugs use stupid youths exclusively as meat. They only need a "juicy" picture to show the "progressive public". Tellingly, none of the local nedopps (all these svarog-gardamirs, etc.) twitched anywhere, but habitually hang out here, injecting microdoses of rotten heresy on duty.

In general, Svarog adheres to socialist, communist views. What should he do at a liberal rally? Kick Libert?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Bearded

socialist, communist views.

However ... The bourgeoisie, following the course of only their own wishes, were already registered as communists. It was then that the system was scrapped, when Soviet citizens began to turn into galimous inhabitants - they got out without an idea. And the ideas themselves have turned into a set of devalued slogans. And yes, this happened long before the appearance of such concepts as "perestroika", "glasnost", "acceleration", etc. The Stavropol combine harvester got a fertile, abundantly fertilized soil, which could only be sown.

[Machito]

And you yourself, faithful Stalinist? Are you mastering virgin lands, are you building BAM or Magnitogorsk? Why hang labels?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Bearded

loyal Stalinist?

I didn't create an idol, but I really respect him.

Quote: Bearded

You master virgin lands

There was a case - true, snowy.

Quote: Bearded

to hang labels?

It's not my topic - people have hung everything on themselves. And yes, after seven years of being on this resource, having the slightest ability to analyze, inevitably you begin to click out the contents of many regulars. Something like this.

[Machito]

I am also a Stalinist.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Bearded

And you yourself, faithful Stalinist? Are you mastering virgin lands, are you building BAM or Magnitogorsk? Why hang labels?

Why hang there. I personally know one "furious communist". always cursed the authorities and "rezhIM". but when he needed cash, he handed out agitation for United Russia, and then again cursed them, buying milk with this cash. You’re probably thinking. that I am exaggerating, but this is the pure truth. Such are the ideological communists.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Bearded

Actually, Svarog adheres to socialist, communist views. What should he do at a liberal rally?

Albeit with the devil, but against "this power". Nothing new, I saw this live.

[Cron]

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev dumped the country? Where did the army look when Yeltsin divided the country with the same Yeltsinyats in the forest? Where were you all? Ah ... You are now getting pensions. Well, get, get. Why should I feed them This is all the slag listed.

They did not say the most important thing, but where were the people? And in general, as I understand it, you are from the LDNR, so you definitely do not feed them. And in your case, there was actually this event as well:

All-Ukrainian referendum December 1, 1991
Yes 28 804 071 - 90,32%
No 3 - 087%

So there is nothing to blame on anyone

[Newven]

Quote: Cron

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev dumped the country? Where did the army look when Yeltsin divided the country with the same Yeltsinyats in the forest? Where were you all? Ah ... You are now getting pensions. Well, get, get. Why should I feed them This is all the slag listed.

And in general, as I understand it, you are with the LDNR

Only on the avatar! But in essence ..

[Tank hard]

Quote: Cron

They didn't say the most important thing, but where were the people?

Yes, that's it. look at the people of the last days of the USSR. Then shouted - down! Now they shout - down! After all, these are Soviet citizens (not Americans), and now they are Russian citizens. Take a close look (c) at the slogans. The Chronicle is impartial ...

[Cron]

Quote: Tank Hard

Yes, that's it. look at the people of the last days of the USSR. Then shouted - down, now they shout - down! After all, these are Soviet citizens (not Americans), and now they are Russian citizens. Look closely at the slogans. The chronicle is impartial ...

Quite right, there are dissatisfied always and everywhere, and no matter what the reason, the main thing is not to allow them through coups to impose their will on everyone else.
There I will look in the comments, life still teaches nothing.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Cron

Quite right, there are dissatisfied always and everywhere, and no matter what the reason, the main thing is not to allow them through coups to impose their will on everyone else.
There I will look in the comments, life still teaches nothing.

So in the comments you often don't understand who and where. The citizens of Israel (and other Ukrainians) worry about Russia and the freedom of its peoples and love Russia so much. that they are scorching when they write the name of "their beloved" Russia with a small letter. apparently from a very great love, and quite by accident. And in general, it is easier to fight off the sofa, it is warm, cozy and relatively safe there.

[Cron]

(and other Ukrainians) worry about Russia and the freedom of its peoples and love Russia so much

Well, it's not for nothing that Alexey became the person of the year for search queries there. We know that they are not worried about the fate of Russians, but simply do not want to see a very uncomfortable Putin.
In any case, if the Union, unfortunately, itself did not want to continue its existence, I mean the power, then there is no such problem now. So all this is futile, even now, even in 2024.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Cron

Well, it's not for nothing that Alexey became the person of the year for search queries there. We know that they are not worried about the fate of Russians, but simply do not want to see a very uncomfortable Putin.
In any case, if the Union, unfortunately, itself did not want to continue its existence, I mean the power, then there is no such problem now. So all this is futile, even now, even in 2024.

Yes, they just want to let Russia go according to the scenario of the USSR and Yugoslavia. Break it into pieces and grab it piece by piece. And the peoples of the country are not interesting to them and even superfluous. After all, they are reducing the population of the Earth. Ultimately well-intentioned.

[tomket]

Quote: Observer2014

Why should I feed them This is all the slag listed.

Feed yourself first, breadwinner.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Observer2014

OMON is working. How are the protests in the Far East and Siberia

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev dumped the country? Where did the army look when Yeltsin divided the country with the same Yeltsinyats in the forest? Where were you all? Ah ... You are now getting pensions. Well, get, get. Why should I feed them This is all the slag listed.

Where have you been? Because of you, it all happened.

[Mykhalych]

Quote: Observer2014

Why should I feed them?

Feed Gulfik (bulk) and his gang.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Mykhalych

Quote: Observer2014

Why should I feed them?

Feed Gulfik (bulk) and his gang.

Well no. He lives in another city. He will not be able to carry the transmissions to the channel.

[vik669]

And also provide guarded housing on the southern coast of the Arctic Ocean!

[Odysseus]

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev was leaking the country?

Well, you have questions, dear ..... Don't you know yourself?
OMON was created during perestroika. The USSR did not need structures fighting with its own people. This is the brainchild of capitalism, serving only the bosses. So when the USSR broke the riot police sat in the bases. After all, the bosses themselves broke it.
The KGB was the main conductor of perestroika, there were several cleansing of the cadre, the leadership strictly followed the instructions of Gorbachev and then Yeltsin. The middle officer corps was preparing for privatization and making money. There were exceptions, but these people were quickly cleaned out.

[Cron]

Quote: Odyssey

The USSR did not need structures fighting with its own people.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Cron

Quote: Odyssey

The USSR did not need structures fighting with its own people.

The face of democracy.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Such as piled up and destroyed the USSR, but the command to destroy the creatures was not given.

[Finches]

My God, how many idiots ...!

[Ros 56]

What are you yelling for now? How old are you? Do you know how it was then and who are you feeding?

[Aerodrome]

I’m against both ... and Putin and Navalny ... one "got stuck" ... we got stuck in place and skidded, read "stagnation", left without a single ally, the other is just a swindler, I don't even want to discuss it.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Aerodrome

read "stagnation"

Oooh ... It's a real trouble here ...

[zadorin1974]

Dear Observer. The Latvian riot police at that moment held the defenses at their bases and along the border. Like the Moscow one at the television center. I was lucky with the remnants of Riga residents in 92 in one hostel in Noyabrsk. They told a lot. Maybe someone remembers Kosmozoo next to the department? There Muscovites with the Balts tried to arrest them.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: zadorin1974

Dear Observer. The Latvian riot police at that moment held the defenses at their bases and along the border. Like the Moscow one at the television center. I was lucky with the remnants of Riga residents in 92 in one hostel in Noyabrsk. They told a lot. Maybe someone remembers Kosmozoo next to the department? There Muscovites with the Balts tried to arrest them.

Alksnis knows ...

[sniperino]

Quote: zadorin1974

The Latvian riot police at that moment held the defenses at their bases and along the border. Like the Moscow one at the television center. I was lucky with the remnants of Riga residents in 92 in one hostel in Noyabrsk to live. They told a lot.

What was called "Riga OMON" on TV and in newspapers at that time was our special forces. I communicated with their platoon commander.

[zadorin1974]

The OMON was a militia. You shouldn't confuse those who could leave in the Tyumen region. I know that several people from Tyumen handed over to the Muscovites. They lived one floor below us.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when the USSR was broken

the main thing is that now he is and works where he needs to. Work brothers.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: lopvlad

the main thing is that now he is and works where he needs to. Work brothers.

Yes, bring down not happy snickering pensioners!

[vladimirvn]

It is necessary to strike in order to achieve our realization of our constitutional rights. Yes, to bring power to life. But I would definitely not go to this demonstration under the slogan "Freedom to Navalny!"

[Aerodrome]

Quote: vladimirvn

It is necessary to strike in order to achieve our realization of our constitutional rights. Yes, to bring power to life. But I would definitely not go to this demonstration under the slogan "Freedom to Navalny!"

yes, most would join you. I also do not want trouble, in it scum worse than those in power win.

[Drugov]

Excuse me, but we have no others. Since June, we have been trying, according to the letter of the law, to organize a rally in support of NN Platoshkin, and all without result. In other words, the authorities do not give permission to hold any actions against their dictatorship, so yesterday people did not marry Navalny, but against this very dictatorship of villains.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Observer2014

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev dumped the country? Where did the army look when Yeltsin divided the country with the same Yeltsinites in the forest? Where were you all?

AND? As I understand it, there is essentially nothing to say?

[DrEng527]

Quote: Observer2014

Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev leaked the country

you just do not know that system - the KGB did not have the right to track a member of the PB KPSS

Quote: Observer2014

Where have you all been?

And why did you decide that the peoples of the USSR wanted the continuation of the USSR? As soon as the threat of reprisals disappeared, everyone fled ...

[silverura]

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev was leaking the country?

The stomach prevailed over the brains, this is the answer to your question. Nobody canceled double standards.

[Interlocutor]

Luckily it's you slag. Mostly adequate people here

[Alexei-]

a bunch of questions and all small, not essential ((((
And I have such a question .... where was the nuclear suitcase when Gorbach (with his diamond) was crowing in Foros?

[nickname7]

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR?

You first google what a military organization is. The military is a tool, they cannot act on their own, but only by order. If the authorities want to break the country, then alas, this will happen, it cannot be prevented.
The nomenclature wanted to seize the factories for personal use in order to pocket the profits and lead the luxurious life of billionaires.
You have no imagination, you do not seem to understand what gives 1 yard of bucks, but the nomenclature and the KGB understood.
here's an example of luxury to expand your horizons

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR?

Specifically, it was this OMON who went to a nursery or to school. And his current leadership was unlikely to have a rank higher than lieutenant, so it could not make decisions.

[semenov]

There is silence in Nizhny Novgorod. Apparently, they don't like Navalny here ... People just walk around.

[major147]

Quote: Semenov

There is silence in Nizhny Novgorod. Apparently, they don't like Navalny here ...

It's also quiet in Rostov, unless this

[Orange bigg]

Appeal to inmates of genital?

[novel66]

urgently reward!

[Baloo]

Quote: major147

Quote: Semenov

There is silence in Nizhny Novgorod. Apparently, they don't like Navalny here ...

It's also quiet in Rostov, unless this

Unemployed poor fellow, he also stole the last Maybach?

[major147]

Quote: Balu

Unemployed poor fellow, he also stole the last Maybach?

Sorry, I couldn't grasp the meaning of your words

[carstorm 11]

He has glasses alone that cost almost 200 bucks) people don't buy such glasses without money) a batch file is also not cheap. Lacoste. )

[major147]

Quote: carstorm 11

He has glasses alone that cost almost 200 bucks) people don't buy such glasses without money) a batch file is also not cheap. Lacoste. )

And what about the essence? By the poster?

[vik669]

So he suggests himself instead of grandmother Merkel's granddaughter, or ...!

[paul3390]

Why love him? Exactly the same libertine bourgeois as Putin, but not at the trough and therefore not drunk .. Exposing him? And what - without him, no one was aware that the leaders steal as if not into themselves? Also a revelation to me .. This is not a reason to change one for another .. Only the hungry ..

If we go out into the streets, then with real goals, change of the ruling class and return of the USSR. For this - nothing is a pity. And the fight of the Nanai boys - to everyone before the pager ..

[vik669]

Yes, history has not taught how "going out into the street" ends for any reason - the consequences are very even ...!

[paul3390]

If we go out - so seriously. And for serious purposes. And just to tear a throat - only to scare the crows ..

[Paranoid50]

Quote: paul3390

with real goals, change of the ruling class and return of the USSR.

Well, sir ... To pass off a galimic utopia as reality ... And yes, don't worry about the second point - one way or another, but the process is going on. The overwhelming majority of the "spree" fragments of the Empire have long since proved their complete failure as independent states. All their achievements were reduced only to the fact that polit. the world map has been painted in new colors in some places. All.

[paul3390]

Uh-huh .. Until 1917, the bourgeois also giggled - like, yes, this in life can not be .. Against the laws of the development of society you will not trample. As much as you would like the opposite ...

And the fragments - why did you decide that they will definitely reach Russia ??? We are not exactly the same bourgeois as the rest, only significantly poorer and weaker than the West. Why, then, to us? Unclear..

Alas, the oligarchic RF has absolutely nothing to offer to the outside world and even more so to its closest neighbors. Neither their elites nor their people. And she has nothing to offer her own. Unlike the Soviet Union ..

[Paranoid50]

Quote: paul3390

why did you decide that they will definitely reach for Russia ???

From melancholy and hopelessness.

Quote: paul3390

oligarchic RF

Oh-x-x ... And again it all came down to a set of stamps. It's a pity...

[paul3390]

But you just shone on us with sharp, original and wise insights ..

[zadorin1974]

I agree with you, Pavel, but I don't want blood for myself, not children. Can we learn how to solve it peacefully?

[paul3390]

Alas - it will not work out peacefully .. Will Putin really give the palace away to the pioneers? Deripaska factories - back to workers? And so on and so on .. No - in all seriousness they already consider it all theirs. And we can either agree with it or take it away. There is no other way.

[zadorin1974]

Calmly talking about the blood war Paul is not my way.

[paul3390]

Then - your way is to be patient .. For the war - against us for 30 years and so they are waging. You can't - of course, you can choose the path of Gandhi, passive resistance to evil, but I'm afraid - the wrong country, they won't appreciate it ..

[zadorin1974]

Bismarck was still right Pavel. It is not necessary to label opponents. 2000-2001 for my ears. Well, and a wonderful example before my eyes, they also wanted good without looking back.

Do you want this?

[paul3390]

No. Similar.

[zadorin1974]

Russia has already gone through this

[paul3390]

You'd better calculate how much we have lost during the time of your adored capitalism .. This cannot be compared with any war.

[zadorin1974]

Positional impasse. To each his own. Good intentions hide the road to hell.

[sniperino]

Quote: paul3390

No. Similar.

You can order a similar one with home delivery.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Semenov

There is silence in Nizhny Novgorod. Apparently, they don't like Navalny here ...

Watching a video, a procession, a lot of people. I understand everything, but why deceive?

[dauria]

Watching a video, a procession, a lot of people.

Come on, a lot .. On Pokrovka (pedestrian street), but on weekends - a pitiful bunch, and all of a student's appearance and age. And the warmth on the street There are so many people hanging around without rallies. God himself ordered to slap some wine on Saturday, but to bother, and then to brag about it, "How cool I am, seven of them knitted me .." Greetings to you from Nizhny.

[Dante Alighieri]

We had a lot of people in Barnaul, at least more than for canceling the pension reform. Even the regional Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs declares at least 2 thousand participants. Many people are middle-aged and even frankly aged. Here is a photo, and from not the most yellow edition.

PS I will notice people were walking along the sidewalk (an alley between two parts of Lenin Avenue), but the cops were walking towards them right along the road

[semenov]

Quote: Odyssey

Watching a video, a procession, a lot of people. I understand everything, but why deceive?

I see you wrote in the evening. And at lunchtime there were no more people than on a regular weekend - I have a wife on the square. Gorky works

[Cron]

Apparently, not all adults have watched this film yet, as some have argued here, so again, mainly children alone

[Ham]

or maybe because adults can add 2 and 2 and they all this crap to one place?
so they drove the shkolota to the embrasures ...
"later about this case will be trumpeted on the BBC!";)

[vik669]

Yes, sheer ssykun'yo, which has not been fighting in the wrong hands for a long time, "protests" and all adults except this film have watched a lot of such porn and understand who is what for what and at whose expense all this suits!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Cron

Apparently, not all adults have seen this film yet,

Have you watched the next cartoons yet?

[zadorin1974]

So for youngsters this is a game. This is a hype. Then the truth is they howl loudly in the duty room and PDN. When the wardens at home will fight to death for fines and beating at work.

[Dante Alighieri]

When the wardens at home will fight in mortal combat for fines and thrashing at work.

Still living in USSR categories? For a fine, we will put in and receive a belt, and only state employees, employees, and the security officials themselves need to worry about thrashing at work (this will be a joke when the son's folder is found at the rally). If the parents are engaged in commerce, they work in an office or factory that is not related to the state. the enterprise (and there are practically no such acroms of the military-industrial complex and the nuclear power industry), then they are not threatened with sanctions, and even if they work, this on the part of the employer would be a direct violation of the labor code. And then why are the supporters of the authorities better than Navalny?

[zadorin1974]

Kind Kirill. Yes, they are not different in anything. They want all the same power and money. It's just that they don’t see any other way to achieve their goals. Maybe you remember the Soviet joke about achieving the purchase of a car? And at the expense of an employment contract, sanctions, etc.- it may not care in Muskwabad, but on the periphery everything is different. Everything revolves around the budget. Money loves silence. If an employee of a private trader contradicts the authorities (not to be confused with the Criminal Code), then the employee may abruptly resign in the near future (the owner may and in the next tender to fly or drag out with execution). In the regions, a lot is seen and lived differently. Well, let's return to the adherents of the basement. Honestly burning, to change the order in the country only ten percent. The remaining twenty percent, thirty from boredom, to run from the cops, shout "satraps", then in the same cart or tik-tok to trample among their herd. The rest want to be redistributed at the trough, depending on their ambitions (people just get themselves at least a mayor or director.he is higher than the seller in the cheburechnaya, not where they do not take it, this is not order, this is a violation of his rights and freedoms, the deer opened our eyes, forward to the barricades) That's how I see (since I constantly communicate with young people) all this "Brownian" movement ...

[Incvizitor]

Not one self-respecting person will watch a Westerner's film.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***

Hey blue hair!

Reite!

Over the oceans! ...

***

[Ham]

as always - a bunch of mentally disabled people and several hundred journalists and onlookers ...
boring girls ...

[Reserve buildbat]

What kind of girls are there? This show is run by overweight ladies with no social responsibility

[Cron]

Since the time of the swamp, nothing has changed, as then they could not at least collect something intelligible, and now they continue

[rocket757]

And there is nothing to collect. As then, so now.

[Machito]

Quote: Cron

Since the time of the swamp, nothing has changed, as then they could not at least collect something intelligible, and now they continue

At first it was very dense on Bolotnaya. Muscovites did not like how the election commissions miscalculated them. In those elections I worked as a member of the Election Commission from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation: after the closing of the polling station, the chairman and secretary of the election commission (school teachers) insolently forged the final election protocol, despite the fact that I managed to get from them a signed copy of the protocol with the real election results. And the Communist Party of the Russian Federation received its share from the trough, and my copy of the protocol - instead of the court in the toilet.
Vote - don't vote
You will still get -....
United Russia.

[Cron]

Quote: Bearded

At first it was very dense on Bolotnaya.

Densely always have real numbers. And this can be more called a misunderstanding.

Muscovites did not like how the election commissions miscalculated them.

I beg you, Muscovites always have their skiom smeared in one place, they always don't like something. They always live better than everyone else, and the whole country suffers from their actions, while the capital is always in chocolate, in almost any scenario.

In those elections I worked as a member of the Election Commission from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation: after the closing of the polling station, the chairman and secretary of the election commission (school teachers) insolently forged the final election protocol, despite the fact that I managed to get from them a signed copy of the protocol with the real election results. And the Communist Party of the Russian Federation received its share from the trough, and my copy of the protocol - instead of the court in the toilet.

Violations are everywhere, this is not new, and we need to work to reduce them, making the elections more transparent.
Did you manage to at least document and film this action, or again not?

Vote - don't vote
You will still get -....
United Russia. laughing

Listen to you, so 90% of the people are in opposition, and the United Russia party gets it all done. They are twisting, but this cheat has a certain meaning, and it is not as big as you think.

[Machito]

Call it a misunderstanding? What? 146% of voters who voted?
I personally participated in the compilation of a summary table at the headquarters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the basis of the voting results in the Golovinsky municipal district of Moscow. According to the final protocols, 30-40% of the votes were falsified. Guess in whose favor were the falsifications? That is why Muscovites went out into the street, and not because they got drunk. Maybe in Moscow and live better, but that does not mean that it is good. In the wrong hands, he is always thicker and longer.
The bourgeois Communist Party of the Russian Federation received its share at the trough, and, as always, betrayed the people, not challenging the voting results in the courts.
I visited both Bolotnaya and Sakharov, although I am not a democrat or a liberal, I am a communist. And I saw with my own eyes how many people of different political views were there. I did not count them, but visually, by the density of the crowd and the area, there were 50-100 thousand people fooled by Churov, and they said on TV that there were 10 thousand.
The authorities need to lie less.

[Cron]

Call it a misunderstanding? What? 146% of voters who voted?

You wrote about what was thick. And what does 146% of voters have to do with it?

I personally participated in the compilation of a summary table at the headquarters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the basis of the voting results in the Golovinsky municipal district of Moscow. According to the final protocols, 30-40% of the votes were falsified. Guess in whose favor were the falsifications? That is why Muscovites went out into the street, and not because they got drunk. Maybe in Moscow and live better, but that does not mean that it is good. In the wrong hands, he is always thicker and longer.

Well, I get it, gentlemen need to take their word for it. We took part personally, but it turned out somehow two-faced.

And I saw with my own eyes how many people of different political views were there.

Your eyes in such a moment is the very thing, anyway.

, there were 50-100 thousand people fooled by Churov

These are incredible numbers for Moscow. Did you sell shawarma somewhere at a discount?

[Machito]

And who should I take at my word? 25 million high-tech jobs? Mironov? Zyuganov? Zhirinovsky? Maybe Navalny or Platoshkin? Give at least one name, you are our gullible.

[Cron]

Quote: Bearded

And who should I take at my word? 25 million high-tech jobs? Mironov? Zyuganov? Zhirinovsky? Maybe Navalny or Platoshkin? Give at least one name, you are our gullible.

Well, I always thought that you have to believe the facts, despite the fact that someone claims to have seen it in person. I do not exclude that this is a complete truth, but facts are also needed. Moreover, those for those elections are quite available, but you also assert about the personal.
I, on the other hand, are not gullible. Bulk at least a pole for prostitutes showed that it could clearly testify to the lascivious intentions of Vladimir Vladimirovich

[Machito]

I do not have such old photographs of the events that I witnessed.
By the way, about the facts. Have you seen at least copies of documents stating that the palace belongs to VVP? Do you know about prostitute poles? Do you have proof of the palace owner's lustful intentions? So where are your facts?
At various times I have been to Rublevka with the owners of very expensive mansions, acquired unjustly, the owners of which support the existing government. They are still plundering the wealth of our country, but Navalny is not interested in them. I know very wealthy people who support the "truth-bearer" Navalny.
The film about the palace is an ordinary order made with the money of the State Department.

[Cron]

I do not have such old photographs of the events that I witnessed.

This is sad

By the way, about the facts. Have you seen at least copies of documents stating that the palace belongs to VVP? Do you know about prostitute poles? Do you have proof of the palace owner's lustful intentions? So where are your facts?

I was just trying to joke, apparently not successful

[sniperino]

Quote: Cron

Muscovites have always smeared skiom in one place

A tolerant automoder wants us to write not a turpentine, but a skigeidar, mb.

[Cron]

Quote: sniperino

A tolerant automoder wants us to write not a turpentine, but a skigeidar, mb.

Was also shocked, why didn't they please?)

[sniperino]

Quote: Cron

what did not please them?

They are too lazy to prescribe words-exceptions, so he behaves like the second climber in a joke

1st: "Adjust!" 2nd: "I hear from the podstraxy!"

[Cron]

They are too lazy to prescribe words-exceptions, so he behaves like the second climber in a joke

He allows you to write, this is something aggressive towards me)

[sniperino]

Quote: Cron

He lets you write

This I do not allow him to read.

[paul3390]

Muscovites didn't like how they were cheated

Petersburgers, in general, too ... My family, for example, was not on the lists at all, although we have been living in this apartment for about 50 years ... And the family of a friend - by the time he arrived, it turned out to have already voted .. And so - many had it. ...

[Machito]

And what has changed since then? Well, yes, the election commissions have learned arithmetic. Elections are a natural swindle, both in our country and in the West. Democracy died with Sparta.

[paul3390]

Because in Sparta, democracy is primarily a hoplite phalanx. As in any other policy. Try not to listen to her opinion .. If the armed citizens united by a common service ended, the ancient democracy also ended .. And the new one was only in the Soviet Union.

[tacet]

Did the helots tell you about democracy in Sparta?

[Machito]

Are the helots citizens of Sparta?
The Tree of Liberty requires constant washing in the blood of patriots.
The helots had little desire to be free.

[tacet]

So it turns out, I was wrong! The helots have told you much more ...

[Igoresha]

And the Communist Party of the Russian Federation received its share from the trough, and my copy of the protocol - instead of the court in the toilet.

In Lugansk, the same story was. The regional, impudent that your United Russia was poured into open ballots at the polling station and was caught by comrade Killinkarov, a communist, and then, like you in Moscow, they agreed amicably.

[Mountain shooter]

In general, the protests turned into "zilch" ... How many percent of the marginalized can be found in any city. But how much did it turn out? Percentage shares.
But the fact that there are children, really small, and these "fighters" are hiding behind them ... The Nazis also did this. Sisyan and his henchmen broke through the bottom. If they add a five more to him for this, I will only be pleased. And heaps of henchmen ...

[Simon schempp]

Brain Putinism.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Simon Schempp

brain.

And what have the corrupt runners forgotten here?

[major147]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: Simon Schempp

brain.

And what have the corrupt runners forgotten here?

Hryvnia work out

[Paranoid50]

Quote: major147

Hryvnia work out

In this case, shekels.

[major147]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: major147

Hryvnia work out

In this case, shekels.

Well yes. The main beneficiaries of any revolution

[Paranoid50]

Quote: major147

The main beneficiaries of any revolution

This is not even the point. The whole runaway Israel party flocks like a swarm of flies on such topics. Someone seems to be "for the idea", someone is trying to justify their own venality and lack of principle in front of themselves, and someone, of course, for hire.

[novel66]

somehow harder it is necessary. not by law, but by conscience, to break the bastards in full. for every student to spit blood, otherwise - fines

[Odysseus]

I am watching the broadcast. What can I say, I can congratulate Mr. Navalny, despite the transfer of power to direct terror, there are many people.
It is a sad picture, for no matter how disgusting and disastrous for Russia is the existing government, Navalny and co, "people with beautiful faces," are even worse.
It is even sadder that all this was completely created by the Russian authorities themselves literally out of the blue. In the future, that enchanting stupidity with the help of which Navalny became the new Nelson Mandela will enter the textbooks.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Odyssey

I am watching the broadcast. What can I say, I can congratulate Mr. Navalny, despite the transfer of power to direct terror, there are many people.

Watching too. How much is a lot? A thousand people per million city? This is a fig, sorry for the French. Half of them are just curious who came to take a look. Especially violent - from 20 to 50 pieces. They are without fanaticism and "land" ... Direct terror you say? This is when they shoot on the spot, as they do today in the Capitol? This was not shown ... perhaps you are exaggerating?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Watching too. How much is a lot? A thousand people per million city? This is a fig, sorry for the French

In Irkutsk, Tomsk, Sverdlovsk I see several thousand. This is -25 frost, during an "unauthorized action" and with direct threats of reprisals. This is just a lot, not a single party in the Russian Federation collects that much. More only at the actions of the authorities (and even then not at all) with the drive of state employees And in such conditions they will gather just zero people.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Are you talking about direct terror? This is when they shoot on the spot, as they do now in the Capitol? This was not shown ... probably exaggerating?

"Preventive" arrests, future penalties, threats of violence, threats of all possible sanctions for participation. Where is the exaggeration here? This is not counting the hysterical propaganda about Navalny, "the agent of the West who eats children."
The Capitol is a strange analogy. Let me remind you that a lot of people there not only gathered in front of the main building in the United States during the decision of the election results, they also quietly entered this building.
An analogy would be if Navalny's supporters took the Kremlin during the summing up of the election, killing an FSO officer along the way. and the locked FSO-ki would have killed one of them during the assault on Mr Putin's private quarters.

[Cron]

Quote: Odyssey

despite the transfer of power to direct terror

What kind of terror? What are you carrying? People sometimes really need terror to start distinguishing between before and after.

many people

Yes, just an incredible amount

It is even sadder that all this was completely created by the Russian authorities themselves literally out of the blue.

In general, it does not matter what they created there. There are people who will come out, who need a nosebleed movement, that's anyway, they don't even need a reason. And the more you go to the meeting, the more impudence and shouts that there is even less democracy and freedom of speech. It's like this everywhere, that's 100%

[Bolt cutter]

Navalny became the new Nelson Mandela.

He has not yet become one - his activists have not yet burned their political opponents in car tires, have not yet placed their people with bottomless pockets in key positions in raw materials companies (which they need to fill properly), have not staged the genocide of dissenters, have not surrendered nuclear arsenals, did not destroy the economy ... but they are moving towards this .

[Odysseus]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

He hasn't become one yet

By its political position, it has already become. Prisoner of conscience number 1 I would not be surprised if he also received the Nobel Prize for this year.
And the Russian Federation is becoming an analogue of the apartheid regime of the early 90s. A bourgeois dictatorship, a country of peripheral capitalism, once needed and supported by the West, and then after it fulfilled its function, it became a burden to it. After that, the regime is given a "black mark". The only difference is that the Russian Federation still has a few Soviet assets, such as a place in the UN Security Council or nuclear weapons.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

But they go for it

That's right, they are going to this. And this is very sad ...

[Orkraider]

Navalny became the new Nelson Mandela.

It won't. He spoke without cheat sheets, but this one has only one cliche: "you can't build this on a salary." All.
It is sad that those who stepped on a rake again climb on them. I am definitely, and I am not the only one, who will support those who will break this project of a split in Russia. And if necessary, I will go to the service.

[Nikolay Ivanov_7]

I live in Moscow, at home wi-fi from Rostelecom, it works perfectly, drove by car from 11 to 14 o'clock through the center from Vykhino to City Hospital 52 to the Shchukino area, the Internet and communication from Beeline are excellent. There is no traffic police, I did not see the police, there are few people in the center, there are a lot of cars, everyone goes shopping. I have not seen the opposition. In the morning I went to Balashikha, to the Petrovich construction store, which is opposite the Dzerzhinsky division. Soldiers sluggishly clean the snow, cars are visible behind the fence under the snow, at the checkpoint, mummies with pies are waiting for soldiers. The armored personnel carriers, which, as reported by the opposition, were not traveling from the division, did not see them, they were driving along the highway of enthusiasts to the center, there were no equipment or police. There is silence on Sakharov Avenue, silence on Pushkin Square.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_7

drove by car from 11 to 14 hours

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_7

Today, 13: 59

Your mustache is unstuck.

[Pilot]

It looks like today the entire paid zoo was kicked out to work in the network, and even new cormorants were recruited .. Go understand who is lying and who is telling the truth.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_7
drove by car from 11 to 14 hours

His watch is in a hurry.

[The eye of the crying]

Rather, he himself is in a hurry.

[Machito]

Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_7

I live in Moscow, at home wi-fi from Rostelecom, it works perfectly, drove by car from 11 to 14 o'clock through the center from Vykhino to City Hospital 52 to the Shchukino area, the Internet and communication from Beeline are excellent. There is no traffic police, I did not see the police, there are few people in the center, there are a lot of cars, everyone goes shopping. I have not seen the opposition. In the morning I went to Balashikha, to the Petrovich construction store, which is opposite the Dzerzhinsky division. Soldiers sluggishly clean the snow, cars are visible behind the fence under the snow, at the checkpoint, mummies with pies are waiting for soldiers. The armored personnel carriers, which, as reported by the opposition, were not traveling from the division, did not see them, they were driving along the highway of enthusiasts to the center, there were no equipment or police. There is silence on Sakharov Avenue, silence on Pushkin Square.

And the dead stand along the roads. And silence. (C) Elusive Avengers.

[Jacket in stock]

Yes, how the first channel did the advertising for these rallies more abruptly than all the twitter and facebook.
Why is it at all?
And about the collision of riot police with the protesters in general, the police chiefs should be driven for lack of professionalism.
It is necessary to be quiet, carefully.
Well, stupid people gathered, but they hung out, dispersed and forgotten.
Why should they play along, arrange a storm?
Then they would have come to the most violent home, turned off the Internet, took "without noise and dust"

[MinskFox]

It's not your truth about quieter and neat, in the age of the Internet everything will come out all the same, and the police will be accused of hiding something.

[hagen]

Quote: Jacket in stock

It is necessary to be quiet, carefully.
Well, stupid people gathered, but they hung out, dispersed and forgotten.
Why should they play along, arrange a storm?

Well, what are you quick-witted ?! Rosgvardia and the Ministry of Internal Affairs simply need periodic systematic training. So these creeps of non-systemists for the authorities, not posing any threat, nevertheless, are a good reason for training personnel, leadership and checking special equipment. In addition, it is also an official reason to once again check the records of the "subversive" contingent for further "preventive" work.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Hagen

! Rosgvardia and the Ministry of Internal Affairs simply need periodic systematic training.

Well, let them train.
Why take part in other people's provocations, and precisely according to their scenario?
By their forceful actions, they play into their hands, that either professional incompetence or betrayal.
I just wrote about the "reconciliation" and further work,

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Jacket in stock

about the collision of the riot police with the protesters in general, police chiefs should be driven out for their professionalism.
It is necessary to be quiet, carefully.
Well, stupid people gathered, but they hung out, dispersed and forgotten.
Why should they play along, arrange a storm?
Then they would have come to the most violent home, turned off the Internet, took "without noise and dust"

It was just necessary to open up all the navalliberda, look at the areal mosques, and slap them at the root.

[rocket757]

There are no absolutely right on either side ... but there will be absolutely victims, and this is the saddest thing.
The growing generation has always had a tendency to rush here and there, this is also a medical factor ... hormones, incomplete formation of various functions, first of all, personality, brain !!!
We, our authorities, played too ... each in its own way.
The teenager is left to himself, alone with the worldwide web ... in which there is always a spider, many spiders, which will take care of the next victim !!!
We will all have a lot of problems for a long time!

[paul3390]

The growing generation, always had a tendency to rush here and there

Children and youngsters are primarily influenced by the surrounding reality. And bulk only offers them the easiest and most affordable option to fight this - to go screaming for all the good and against all the bad .. Well, if you remove his hoopoe - the world will not change from this, will it? As well as the dissatisfaction with Putin's hopelessness of the people?

We need to work with young animals, explain to them the essence of what is happening, set real tasks, show the future that is worth really fighting for ..

[rocket757]

It is necessary to work, educate, BUT, if the officials continue to broadcast that "there is no money, but you are holding on", eat pasta, the state does not owe us anything, "pensioners, workers, teachers will be forced to interrupt with pasta ... . and these "servants of the people" will rage from fat and care about the interests of only their own, the ruling class, will be ....
In short, the consequences will be!
Young people are just an indicator of general dissatisfaction, I perceive them more and more sharply, active.
Since we, they, no longer want to live! But how they want, what they will fight for, depends on who will put ideas, goals in their heads !!!
Parents CANNOT fix anything if everything remains the same at the top, it's obvious !!!
We, our responsibilities are clear, we carry them out to the best of our ability ... But the responsibility should be borne by everyone equally ...
People are tired, tired, and there is no particular faith in those who are at the top.
Hard times are coming, if it doesn't reach the top, it will be much worse!

[Mykhalych]

BUT
Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) will not pass resolution after debate on the detention of blogger Alexei Navalny; consultations on the Navalny case have been moved from urgent to ongoing ...

[Incomprehensible]

Russia is a huge family in which daddy allows children a lot ... This is in fact. And for my IMHO there is not enough tower for the parents of those bloggers and their parents

[sniperino]

Quote: Incomprehensible

for my IMHO there is not enough tower for the parents of those bloggers and their parents

I don't know about the watchtower, but parents who drag young children to illegal gatherings should be whipped in the square.

[Jaromir]

uncoordinated actions took place in other cities of the Far East, mostly without gathering large masses of people.

There would be something to hold a meeting ... I understand if the protest was aimed at lowering the retirement age. And so, for some kind of "Western agent of influence" ... Who needs him.

[Incvizitor]

Isn't it easier to fit water cannons and constantly water the crowd with them? Freeze and scatter themselves no problems.

[Mykhalych]

Quote: Incvizitor

Isn't it easier to fit water cannons and constantly water the crowd with them? Freeze and scatter themselves no problems.

It’s not bad, but only participants (read: scum) of an unauthorized protest in Vladivostok used children as a human chain to engage in skirmishes with riot police, because of the backs of the children, those scoundrels threw various objects on the riot police, provoking them to use physical force and special means...

[Machito]

Quote: Incvizitor

Isn't it easier to fit water cannons and constantly water the crowd with them? Freeze and scatter themselves no problems.

You would also suggest sprinkling them with a Newbie. What kind of water? It is winter in Russia, frost in Siberia. It's almost summer in Fushington.

[sniperino]

Quote: Bearded

Newbie spray

A good idea. Two men in the PCZ with sprayers and a big barrel with the inscription "Danger! Newbie" could clear the street faster than riot police.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Incvizitor

to fit water cannons and constantly water the crowd with them? Will freeze

Channel One said that this is not our method.
This is what the police do in Europe, and the Nazis did it in concentration camps. Are you a fascist?

[Incvizitor]

The Nazis did this against the innocent, and these are trying to destroy the country and the people are against them, as against the igils, all means are good, and they will not want to be dumped in a cell.

[Viktor Sergeev]

It is necessary to beat harder so that at the thought of a rally these idiots would start diarrhea.

[Slipper 2]

Itiomat, some jerks .., anal on bunks for seducing minors

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Taptyzhka 2

anal on bunk

Duc, already.

Quote: Taptyzhka 2

for seducing minors

Hmm ... Perhaps it won't be surprising if this organism really turns out to be a latent pedophile.

[cheburator]

Selling bulk - to the highest measure! All will be piled on the Kolyma forest to cut down!
We are Russians! God with us!

[Alex Justice]

Soul cry from Room 6?

[Reserve buildbat]

The first video is nice to see. The riot police worked professionally. They came up, targeted the provocateur, tied him up in half a second and dragged him to the paddy wagon. Competently and without "extraneous victims"
In general, these downyats should be knitted in crowds and publicly flogged. In the squares. So that all these home-grown "oppositionists, bloggers and Internet experts with coaches" could not sit for a month later. And they won't climb anymore. Just out of shame.

[yurikh]

I myself am from the Far East, everything is quiet in our provincial town. And please note that Far East is not only Khabarovsk and Vladivostok. In most cities, no one thinks about this vegetable at all and is not going to marry it.

[Tagan]

Quote: Balu

Quote: major147

Quote: Semenov

There is silence in Nizhny Novgorod. Apparently, they don't like Navalny here ...

It's also quiet in Rostov, unless this

Unemployed poor fellow, he also stole the last Maybach?

Rostov-on-Don or Rostov the Great? It's quiet here too.

[major147]

Quote: Tagan

Rostov-on-Don or Rostov the Great? It's quiet here too.

We are on the Don.

[falx]

In fact, there are a lot of minors, even taking into account the fact that there were not many people in general ... only for this, the bulk and his accomplices need to be hidden in the jail for a little longer ...
but again it is gratifying, not a lot of people came out, not a lot at all, there are very few cities for millions of cities ...
that's all we need to know about "non-systemic opposition" and its support in society ...

[From Tomsk]

Well, why are they overthrowing Putin? Which flag to fly?)

[Alsur]

Quote: Observer2014

OMON is working. How are the protests in the Far East and Siberia

Where was the riot police when they broke the USSR? Where did the KGB look when Gorbachev dumped the country? Where did the army look when Yeltsin divided the country with the same Yeltsinyats in the forest? Where were you all? Ah ... You are now getting pensions. Well, get, get. Why should I feed them This is all the slag listed.

I just want to ask, where were you?
The army cannot interfere in internal affairs, at least it should not, otherwise it will be a junta. By order of the supreme, but on the basis of the laws of the country, and even then its powers are limited, so to fight against an external enemy, please.

[Igor K]

The KGB betrayed its country and violated the oath, the Communist Party was sold in exchange for the opportunity to trade resources that did not belong to it.

[Tagan]

Looked at the fragments of the detention piled up ... What are they dumb!
They squeal like pigs at any gentle touch of the riot police, working for the camera. Fighters, itit-beat.
We have all this trash sitting quietly, does not shine. For it may so happen, they will get a melon from local residents faster. Although the people have, at least, claims to the local leadership, they are quite justified. But nonetheless.

[MrFox]

The woman whose cop kicked in the stomach also screeched?

[Tagan]

Quote: major147

Quote: Tagan

Rostov-on-Don or Rostov the Great? It's quiet here too.

We are on the Don.

[Cowbra]

Savages. No, so as in the USA or France - so that the blood stream and the mountains - the mountains ... Well, democratically, in short. By the way, did the employees of FBK and Yehu Matza participate in these events, or as usual?

Dasha Navalnaya never went to rallies, despite her great desire. According to her, her parents forbid her to participate in street actions. There is an agreement in the family: the girl only goes to those rallies where no more than one Navalny can be detained. And her father says that, sitting in the paddy wagon, he does not want to waste time trying to find out which paddy wagon his daughter is in.
Daria confesses: she really wants to go out and shout: "Crooks and thieves, five minutes to get ready!", But does not want to create unnecessary problems and distract her father from work.

[Alsur]

Quote: Odyssey

I am watching the broadcast. What can I say, I can congratulate Mr. Navalny, despite the transfer of power to direct terror, there are many people.
It is a sad picture, for no matter how disgusting and disastrous for Russia is the existing government, Navalny and co, "people with beautiful faces," are even worse.
It is even sadder that all this was completely created by the Russian authorities themselves literally out of the blue. In the future, that enchanting stupidity with the help of which Navalny became the new Nelson Mandela will enter the textbooks.

Manadela was not associated with the West, that makes all the difference.

[Klingon]

Quote: Clever man

And where were you when the USSR was broken?

where are you? first of all, such a question should be asked to yourself

[fif21]

So I am surprised - they are optimized, fired, paid pennies ... and they all wave with clubs

[don-1500]

Not well, what? I saw with my own eyes what the Rostov OMON was doing in July 2019, they staged a mass beating there in order to figure out and arrest one fan. Now they are operating in the street, against ordinary citizens (including women). Astronauts. Just not to work, right after the demobilization in the OMON, the guard and the court grew up. bailiffs, healthy foreheads shame on you?

[Lord of the Sith]

Well done, these juvenile imbeciles.

They will be packaged, but they will not be given a term due to their childhood, but they will impose a fine on their parents, put everyone on record.

They will beat them on the wallet, the parents themselves will bring up these monsters with a soldier's belt so that even a shadow of thought did not arise to Maidan.

Anyway, who is Anal to you? Swat, brother? He is a crook and a criminal.
And deserves the most severe punishment.

[AVA77]

In Moscow, protesters gather in the Pushkin region.
Where is it.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Be kind to all these idiots are recognized by their faces and kicked out of universities and from work to fill the vacancies of janitors

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

recognized by the face and kicked out of universities and work

The point is that most will have to be thrown out of school, and not from the highest grades. Although, in this case, their parents will grab them, so that they could spend more time raising their offspring.

[Roma 1977]

They were too lazy to remake the Belarusian training manuals. Moreover, both the protesters and the police. One to one.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Professor, what do you say to your former students who were expelled for unauthorized rallies? 
- Big cola, fries and cheeseburger, please!

[dauria]

- Big cola, fries and cheeseburger, please!

Huh, but how does the professor distinguish between whom he expelled, and who gave a diploma? They work side by side in the same eatery as cashiers. What are expelled, what are graduates.

[Nikolay1987]

More than 200 people took part in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, in Khabarovsk - from 200 to 300, in Yakutsk about 300 people took part. According to media reports, several thousand people gathered for the rally in Irkutsk, 1,5 thousand in Novosibirsk, over a thousand in Krasnoyarsk.

in Angarsk, everybody c * oops! This is so, for statistics.

[evgen1221]

In winter, for 300r, few people will freeze snot. And more to give for the exit, this is already Russian know-how interferes)))) The number of those who came out in general confirms this, the little bit stoned on the salary and a certain number of purchased extras from the villages. Against this background, such a moment is interesting with our trembling government, which did not support the introduction of criminal liability for involving youngsters in rallies. So it is necessary to understand them so - they are preparing in advance the opportunity to do what others sneeze for?

[Gennady Fomkin]

I, of course, understand their life principle - I want to sit on the priest evenly and so that I have everything ...

Get your ass off your computer and try to earn more - study, improve your qualifications, look for a job ... then you can earn a lot ...

Although .... for everything that you want, you cannot earn, because I grew my Wishlist excessively ...

Strong people make money, whiners only whine and envy everyone ...

[opuonmed]

without the support of traitors in the Kremlin, this would not have happened!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Among the well-fed pigs in branded clothes with smartphones, I didn’t notice people from the bottom

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

youngsters of draft age, escort to the nearest military registration and enlistment office and beyond the Arctic Circle

[petrol cutter]

"At the same time, there are problems in the work of cellular operators, users complain about the failure of Beeline, MTS, Megafon and Rostelecom. The main stream of complaints concerns the mobile Internet in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnodar, Chelyabinsk and others. cities. "
People rally about problems with telephony or what?!.
So I barely catch 2G. About ten years ago. I probably need to organize a revolution.
And on what occasion, strictly speaking, are the meetings? ...
I went to work, sorry, I don't know.
In the village of Primorsky, no disturbances were noticed ...
Everyone is discussing the past frosts and hemorrhoids received after them.

[Alex Justice]

The penultimate video commentator uses English. The exiled Cossack. It would be necessary to detain her, to find out who she is and how she got there.

[businessv]

Quote: Alex Justice

It would be necessary to detain her, to find out who she is and how she got there.

In fact, everything is simple: cut off the channels for the receipt of money, close down accomplices, accusing them of treason if they are ours, just jail, if not ours, and everything will be blown away! Not ours will be afraid to stick their heads, but ours learn quickly.

[Bare]

- Two percent of people - thinks, three percent - think they think, and 95 percent of people would rather die than think.
George Bernard Shaw
Why are the Russian media so lagging behind in the information field? This is a riddle.
You watch what is happening in Ukraine and you think that these strikers should stay in Ukraine for a while.

[Radical]

Quote: hohkn

Quote: Revival

So don't work there.
Every job has a second side of the coin.

There is no need to be clever. When in the 90s people started to break into my family's apartment while I was at work, I think my wife and children were not very pleased ...

Did any of the protesters burst?

[Bang]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: kulinar

the worse he lived under Stalin

Would you like to live under Stalin?

Perhaps yes, I would like to live under I.V. Stalin. And you would have felled the forest for the rest of your days.

[Antidote]

Quote: vladimirvn

It is necessary to strike in order to achieve our realization of our constitutional rights. Yes, to bring power to life. But I would definitely not go to this demonstration under the slogan "Freedom to Navalny!"

Did you strike a lot for your retirement age? For increasing VAT? For changes to the constitution?

[Gray-haired Zinnik]

How many fucking..., Sorry in Russia.

[The eye of the crying]

Riot police are working: https://meduza.io/feature/2021/01/23/na-aktsii-protesta-v-peterburge-zhenschina-sprosila-u-politseyskih-zachem-vy-ego-shvatili-rebyata-ey-otvetili -udarom-nogoy-v-zhivot

[businessv]

Also, uncoordinated actions took place in other cities of the Far East, mostly without gathering large masses of people.

The protests are not coordinated, the riot police have every right to disperse them! I liked the title of the video: “Riot police attacked protesters!” Are you normal people, gentlemen of the issue? Riot police were walking down the street, walking, and finally decided to attack. People fell for yet another striped video made for a breakup about the castle and out of indignation decided to go out and hold a rally? Disruptive videos about both Medvedev and Putin raise many questions, but this should not happen! If this is an investigation, it should be complete and not raise any questions among citizens, not to mention professionals. In short: Navalny - on the bunk, freedom for Platoshkin!

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: businessv

Navalny - on the bunk, freedom for Platoshkin!

Why is Navalny on the bunk, remind me?

[businessv]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Why is Navalny on the bunk, remind me?

https://panorama.pub/53874-navalnomu-predyavleny-obvineniya.html или тут: https://www.interfax.ru/russia/337764 Если Вам больше нравятся западные рупоры, то https://www.golosameriki.com/a/russia-navalny-faces-new-charges/1571152.html Пусть даже половина правды, то - на нары! Читайте, Бог в помощь!

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: businessv

Even if it's half the truth

What if there is zero truth?

[businessv]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

What if there is zero truth?

But you are lazy! In this case, you just need to remember that Mr. Razvalny has two (!) suspended convictions, which in itself is legal nonsense. He should not be sitting abroad, but in prison for violating the terms of his suspended sentence. Read for yourself https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2021/600595a89a794741d14d224e

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: businessv

Читайте сами https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2021/600595a89a794741d14d224e

Have you read it yourself? It says that there are no provisions in the law on the basis of which Navalny could be detained.

[businessv]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

It says that there are no provisions in the law on the basis of which Navalny could be detained.

There is also a lot written on the fence. Do you like this dubious character? I don't! Find Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 74. Cancellation of a suspended sentence or extension of the probationary period, carefully read part 3, about the convicts who escaped control, you will understand everything. If not, please don't write to me anymore.

[kit88]

Find the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 74. Cancellation of a suspended sentence or extension of the probationary period, read carefully 3

I am not even close to a supporter of Mr. Navalny. But from a purely legal point of view, your opponent The Eye of the Blatant is most likely right.

Everything must be clear in the Verdict/Decree of the Court; people’s lives depend on these few letters. The slightest discrepancy leads to the cancellation of the verdict/ruling by the higher court.
And what do we see in the Resolution of the Judge of the Khimki City Court?
Extend the period of detention to 30 days
What is this anyway? Which article and where does it say that it is possible to extend the retention period to 30 days? And what does this have to do with Art. 46 PEC? Everyone who read this was shocked.
Yes, even guided by Art. 397 Code of Criminal Procedure, it was possible take into custody sentenced to a term of 30 days, but in no way “extend the period of detention.” Or immediately close it under Article 74. (True, I can’t say offhand about the timing of notification in this case.)
People are worried not about Navalny, they don’t care about him, but about “What was that? The law is not the law now?”

[sleeve]

Not really. Everything is fine. Detained for up to 3 days. Extended to 30 days. Then they can do it for 2 months and so on several times. In principle, the practice of “ordinary” detention operates on a “condition”. The conditional regime is assigned by the court and can only be changed by the court. So they detain him and “extend” him as for an ordinary citizen who has not yet become a “convict.”

[kit88]

Detained for up to 3 days. Extended to 30 days

In which article and where is it written that it is possible to extend the period of detention to 30 days?
Up to 72 hours - no problem. This is stated in paragraph 3, paragraph 6 of Art. 108 Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation.

[businessv]

Quote: kit88

People are worried not about Navalny, they don’t care about him, but about “What was that? The law is not the law now?”

To be honest, I didn’t delve deep enough to read the court order, I confess. This resolution has a clear definition - lawlessness. The authorities had a lot of reasons and ways to close this person without breaking the law and without such blunders. In this case, everything looks as if someone is deliberately creating a very ambiguous situation in the country. As for Navalny, I really don’t like the ears of Western intelligence services sticking out from behind his back, as well as the involvement of minors in his action! This looks disgusting to me! Thank you for the specificity and information!

[agond]

We see in the protests mainly younger students, people who did not serve and, most importantly, practically did not work; due to their age, they have not created anything in life, but if you look at what they have and what property their parents have, and what kind of property they have income, it turns out that everything is fine with them and the protest is inappropriate, because they are not elderly people whose pensions have been delayed, while there are doubts about the ability of the protesters to formulate at least some clear demands

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: agond

We see mainly young students in the protests.

And others see them mainly as people 30+

Quote: agond

people who did not serve and, most importantly, practically did not work

But how do you know whether they worked or not? For example, I worked already in my first year.

Quote: agond

if you look at what they have and what property their parents have, and what their income is, it turns out that everything is fine with them and protest is inappropriate

Your opinion on the appropriateness of their protest is very important to them all.

[businessv]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

What if there is zero truth?

I decided to write to you again, in view of the fact that Alexander (kit88) provided below a copy of the court decision on extending the period of detention. My opinion is that the court could have immediately made a decision to replace the suspended sentence with a real one, for which there was every reason and the law would have been respected.

[Prisoner]

The guys are doing a good job. Delicately. Not like the French or the Germans. I’m generally silent about pins. These ones immediately grab the trunks.

[agond]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Your opinion on the appropriateness of their protest is very important to them all.

If we purely speculatively present a list of citizens who have complaints about, and at the same time set the sorting, for example, by the chronology of the occurrence of the complaints or by the degree of significance of its cause for a person, in descending order, then the protesting students will find themselves somewhere at the end of the list, and other people will be at the beginning

[The eye of the crying]

Maybe. So what? By the way, if you missed it last time, it wasn’t just students who came out.

But I’m glad that “practically didn’t work” is no longer on the list of complaints.

[Alexander F.]

90 created a dangerous precedent, showed that under certain circumstances it is quite possible to get “from rags straight to riches.” That's all - ideology! ”

Whom do the Liberal serve? or why the monkey didn't become human.
Man was created in the image and likeness, but somewhere it went wrong and morality did not take root in some individuals, later they turned out to be communists and liberals. And from them a monkey originated, there is intelligence, they can use tools of labor, but they prefer not to do this, but wait for the bananas to fall by themselves or to be given them - that's why she did not become a man!
And already a liberal is trying to turn a man into a monkey!
And if without lyrics.
Andera is an artificially invented ideology of the West, for cultivation and subsequent unification into a controlled group of persons with sadistic inclinations in Ukraine. These individuals, as serving the ideology of Ukrainization, were bred as a breed of fighting dogs through selection. The truth turned out to be Jackalier
It was formed to create a shock core aimed at destroying Ukraine at the initial stage as an industrial state, with the subsequent absorption of statehood. (and it turned out the same)

Russian liberals, and now, like the 6anderites, are trying to bring out the same selection method and with the same purpose of undermining the Russian statehood.
And we should not forget about British ideals, British racism, ideas of eugenics (improvement, selection of the human race and social Darwinism)

So they cannot be called more than victims of selection. And I don't want to laugh!

[ljoha_d]

We need to work with dissatisfied Protestants following the example of the West, from where the teams for these Protestants come from

[Andrew 40]

Gendarmes cannot silence the discontent of ordinary people by force. I'm glad that people are waking up little by little!

[Andrew 40]

The gendarmes cannot silence the discontent of ordinary people. Glad people are waking up!

[Adimius38]

They just jump out of cars and attack people. I don’t even see attempts at warning or requests to disperse.

[tTshka]

The uncles in hats warned them... and the uncles in helmets, in case they were there... in case they didn’t understand the words!

[sleeve]

The comments go into the legal realm. This is good. This is what we are talking about. Arguments: Constitution, human rights, laws of the Russian Federation. Very good. These are legal arguments, which means we are still a society and also a completely educated and reasonable one. But...The very concept of “constitution” has a historical background—an outlet valve for social processes. The development of constitutional norms is still endless. So, references to this document, as well as to global and domestic Russian legislative documents, will still be opportunistic and dependent on the agenda, albeit broad in time and not immediate. This means that the discussion will be endless, with equal chances of proof and refutation. In theory, this is the meaning of the internal construction of society for now.

[tTshka]

Let go... let go... those who were sitting at home were not caught... playing computer games, puppies. It’s not like writing comments on YouTube while skipping couples. They stuck their snotty noses at the grown-up guys, the runt “politicians” = they got a belt.
As for me, they were treated very, very humanely, after all the warnings...

[agond]

That’s right, young people do not yet have a civic position (although they already have a strong consumer position), before going somewhere to protest, it is useful to imagine in your mind the balance of what you have and what you don’t have, what you have done good and bad to society, and what good society has done to you and bad, then display the balance and only then make a decision. and here many protesters have no reasons or motives, they only have a desire to play a dangerous game for the sake of a thrill, ... sometimes you get tired of playing on your phone, you want variety.

[Vdi73]

Drive up the fire trucks and pour icy water on the imbeciles, they will disperse on their own and run away. And detainees will be required to wear a saucepan on their heads for a year, and if they refuse, they will be given real sentences. The country should see its “heroes” from a glimpse.

[victor_5]

The Navalny people don’t have to think before they protest and who their leader Navalny serves.

[Mikhalych]

Navalny and his company had been fermenting for a whole week, but not Novichok. That's why Kondratiy almost grabbed him. Why is the press silent about this? Everyone who goes to rallies in support of this drunk is an eccentric with the letter “M”.

[Adimius38]

Do you know what laws were adopted after the riots on Bolotnaya Square, when people came out against the elections that took place. And in all subsequent years these laws were supplemented. Huge fines and criminal sentences discourage the majority from expressing their position. And in this regard, we are ahead of everyone. Laws on libel have also been adopted and any word you say can be regarded as libel.

[java1124]

According to Nest, about 300 protesters came out in Russia, about a million were curious on websites. Remember how in 000-1985. was blown up on TV-Vzglyad (analogue of Rain and Echo). They lost the country, property from the state became Chubais’s

[Narak-zempo]

Well done boys.
They do not get lost in a difficult situation, they work professionally, boldly, clearly, harmoniously and, in general, even gently.

[Tagan]

Quote: MrFox

The woman whose cop kicked in the stomach also screeched?

They forgot to remind about the children whom these degenerates used as human shields.

[vetta]

In Krasnoyarsk, in the center of the city, there is quite a presentable “Navalny Headquarters”, there are several of them in the city, young people hang out there.

[Wizzzard]

Quote: RitaNik

Bravo to you for your comments, Lannan Shi!
They will not answer you anything intelligible. they are satisfied when we are "not 37 years old" for Vasilyeva and Serdyukov and "please treat with understanding" for the rest.

I agree to an iota, Margarita! Lannan Shi is great. Her theses are presented evenly and calmly - in contrast to the powerful squeal of her opponents.

[Pavel73]

Work brothers! (C) Let them express their opinion, but don’t, don’t let them seize power. If troublemakers and rebels take power, then 15-20 years of our entire subsequent life will be thrown down the drain. For we, by the sweat of our brow, will have to rebuild and restore everything that they destroy.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Navalny has 77 million views, millions of comments in support of Navalny, and 40-50 thousand took to the streets across the country. These 77 million zilch, bots and Russphobes from neighboring countries are waiting for the collapse and revolution in Russia, which is what I wrote yesterday.

[babylon]

The country, of course, needs change, but not in this way, and especially not with thugs like Navalny

[Flooding]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Varyag71

He serves as a slave and wages an Internet war half-time.

You're not yourself.
Can you confirm your words?
Or do you use your tongue instead of a broom?

Quote: Varyag71

Corrupt slaves like you are not even worthy to answer. You reek of vileness

Clear. You love to spread shit. But you don’t want to answer.

[Dymik]

domestic terrorists need to be flogged in the square)) there will be more onlookers))