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China's growing defense industry threatens Russia's revenues

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China's growing defense industry threatens Russia's revenues

China overtook Russia to become the world's second largest producer weapons after the USA. This is evidenced by data published by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) in December 2020, writes The EurAsian Times.


According to SIPRI, four Chinese defense companies were among the 25 largest global arms manufacturers in 2019, of which 3 were in the top 10, accounting for 16% of total sales, and profits exceeded $ 56,7 billion. ... Russia has lost its positions, and only two Russian defense companies were able to enter the top 25, earning only $ 13,9 billion.

Commenting on the rise of Chinese arms manufacturers and the rise in arms sales, SIPRI said it was aided by the military modernization programs of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) being implemented by the government.

In China itself, the country's military-industrial complex is rapidly closing the gap in military technology with Russia, relying more and more on its own developments and abandoning Russian ones. As an example, the development of its own jet engine for the fifth generation fighter J-20 is given, which will allow "completely abandoning" the ort of Russian engines.

The country's aircraft builders have found that their domestic WS-10C, a modified version of the WS-10 engine, is as good as Russia's AL-31F engines.

- writes South China Morning Post.

Also, according to military experts, China has surpassed Russia in the creation of attack drones, some types of warships and, possibly, hypersonic weapons. Beijing produces new weapons very quickly, releasing a new generation every ten years, as the Soviet Union did. Russia, however, is increasingly lagging behind China, due to the lack of funds for new research and development.

Thus, China, which previously imported most of its weapons from Russia, has become one of the largest exporters of its weapons, thereby depriving the Russian military-industrial complex of income.

China's goal is to become the world leader in arms exports by 2049, overtaking the United States. Judging by the pace of development of the country's defense sector, this goal is quite achievable.In the meantime, there is no need to worry about it. ”
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 23 January 2021 10: 27
    +30
    China's growing defense industry threatens Russia's revenues

    Theft, nepotism, corruption, and lack of political competition threaten Russia's income.
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 23 January 2021 10: 32
      +13
      In China, there is no political competition at all.
      Corruption is more than developed.
      And nepotism is the basis of business, guanxi - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%B8
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 January 2021 10: 37
        +18
        Quote: nsm1
        In China, there is no political competition at all.
        Corruption is more than developed.

        That's right, there is a party, a planned economy and socialism ... albeit in the Chinese form ... but despite this, the successes of the Chinese are obvious in all areas ... unlike us. And they shoot for theft ... and we give medals.
        1. nsm1
          nsm1 23 January 2021 10: 42
          +8
          Here I am about the same.
          There is no market, political competition for development.
          After WW2, only dictatorial and semi-dictatorial regimes such as South Korea, China, Singapore achieved success ...
          But not democracy - compare China and India.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 23 January 2021 10: 45
            +2
            Quote: nsm1
            After WW2, only dictatorial and semi-dictatorial regimes such as South Korea, China, Singapore achieved success ...
            But not democracy - compare China and India.

            Here, of course. Only we also have a semi-dictatorial regime .. and zero sense. It all depends on the goals. If there is a goal to make the country great, and the population of the country to be prosperous, then the result will not be long in coming .. and if the goal is to fill pockets for yourself and your friends .. then the result will be logical. We have the richest country in the world ... so why do we have so many beggars?
            1. nsm1
              nsm1 23 January 2021 11: 36
              +5
              We are by no means the richest country.
              Look at the world realistically, enough of the heady statements, have become boring for a long time ...

              When you go along the Trans-Siberian Railway, the landscape outside the window does not change, all of Russia is a part of the European part and a strip along the Chinese border.
              Nobody lives on the Putorana plateau.
              It's ridiculous to talk about industrial potential.

              This does not change the fact that we are rich enough.
              But they are not active, everything is limited to conversations.

              Although some sprouts seem to appear in Khabarovsk ...
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 23 January 2021 11: 42
                +2
                We are by no means the richest country.

                This does not change the fact that we are rich enough.

                Are we self-sufficient or not? We have more natural resources than in the whole of Europe combined .. so what? Why is poverty so?
                1. nsm1
                  nsm1 23 January 2021 11: 48
                  +4
                  This is because natural resources, raw materials, constitute an insignificant part of the national wealth.
                  There are a lot of rich countries in the world that are deprived of resources.
                  There is almost nothing in Japan.
                  Of course we not self-sufficient, in no way, in electronics, pharmacology, many positions.
                  Why are you writing here now?
                  A rhetorical question, it is clear that not from a Russian computer or tablet.
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 23 January 2021 12: 30
                    0
                    it is clear that not from a Russian computer or tablet.
                    Who prevents the creation of Russian computers. because this is also an indicator of the greatness of the country. But someone said that Russia does not claim greatness.
                    1. nsm1
                      nsm1 23 January 2021 12: 36
                      +2
                      Nobody interferes.
                      And there is some progress, "Elbrus", etc.
                      But it is produced in Taiwan.
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 23 January 2021 16: 27
                        -2
                        The fact that China has overtaken Russia is expected and natural: a more powerful economy cannot be behind. It is good that Russia is China's ally, not an enemy.
                        But you need to do correct conclusions!
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 23 January 2021 12: 25
                +5
                We are not the richest country
                Around 1970, China is shown on TV. Poverty is hopeless. Sparrows were driven all over the country so that they themselves would get at least a grain. 50 years have passed China is a great country. Back in 1990, we were overtaking not only China. Now thanks to .. But the truth is who brought the country to the point that many people live in poverty, that the country is in everything below many. Only on TV in fantasy programs like Kiselev, everything is fine, but we live in real life
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          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 23 January 2021 11: 16
            +1
            Quote: nsm1
            Here I am about the same.
            There is no market, political competition for development.
            After WW2, only dictatorial and semi-dictatorial regimes such as South Korea, China, Singapore achieved success ...
            But not democracy - compare China and India.

            But not democracies like Germany, France, Finland, USA, Japan, Great Britain, Denmark
            1. nsm1
              nsm1 23 January 2021 11: 22
              +8
              And these were already rich.
              And, on the contrary, they lost their pre-war positions.
              Apart from the USA, but they also fell down.
              And the UK has fallen out-of-bounds.
              Inappropriate examples.

              It's ridiculous to even compare with South Korea, from the level of African poverty to the first world ...
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 24 January 2021 00: 42
                -2
                Quote: nsm1
                USA, but they also fell down.
                And the UK has fallen out-of-bounds.


                Compared to WW2? Then it's a lie.
                1. nsm1
                  nsm1 24 January 2021 06: 26
                  -1
                  Nope, really.
                  Discover what is the share of GDP from the world.
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 24 January 2021 11: 49
                    -2
                    You have a very strange definition of "fell". According to it, Britain "fell" if its GDP increased 100 times, and the world's GDP - 101.
          3. KCA
            KCA 23 January 2021 12: 16
            +2
            Feudal-caste India, how long has it become democratic?
          4. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 24 January 2021 00: 40
            -1
            South Korea has been a democracy for 30 years. Moreover, such a frenzied one - probably, the years of dictatorship affect.
        2. Vadim Golubkov
          Vadim Golubkov 23 January 2021 10: 51
          +16
          Oga, Order of Merit for the Fatherland to Chubais.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 23 January 2021 11: 43
            +4
            Quote: Vadim Golubkov
            Oga, Order of Merit for the Fatherland to Chubais.

            Well, he also helped, fiction helped the current thieves to come to power. And the people who helped with their voice received taxes, a living wage and pensions at the subsistence level. People didn't seem to get anything else.
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 23 January 2021 16: 45
          -4
          Quote: Svarog
          That's right, there is a party, a planned economy and socialism ... even in the Chinese form

          And in the USA? Is it all thanks to socialism?
      2. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 23 January 2021 11: 27
        +3
        Well, self-flagellation began.
        Someone wrote something, but the "all-propals" were beating in convulsions. China has a huge domestic defense order, which we never dreamed of. The most interesting thing is that for our defense order, the "all-consuming" authorities scold the authorities: they say, you are not spending money on retirement ...
        Second: China has formed the world's most powerful industrial complex. And we have killed the industry for 10 years of fun. There is a pace of recovery, but miracles do not happen, no one wants to work except guest workers, workers are specially "not prestigious" style. The situation has just begun to change when young people began to understand that a good worker can get more than a bad manager.
        And the sale of the latest designs and technologies is a forced measure that allowed not to bend the defense industry at all. Moreover, it was not only we who were selling, the same Ukraine sold all Soviet developments and remnants of weapons for a clean one.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 23 January 2021 12: 03
          +5
          Quote: Dreamboat
          Well, self-flagellation began.
          Someone wrote something, but the "all-propals" were beating in convulsions. China has a huge domestic defense order, which we never dreamed of. The most interesting thing is that for our defense order, the "all-consuming" authorities scold the authorities: they say, you are not spending money on retirement ...
          Second: China has formed the world's most powerful industrial complex. And we have killed the industry for 10 years of fun. There is a pace of recovery, but miracles do not happen, no one wants to work except guest workers, workers are specially "not prestigious" style. The situation has just begun to change when young people began to understand that a good worker can get more than a bad manager.
          And the sale of the latest designs and technologies is a forced measure that allowed not to bend the defense industry at all. Moreover, it was not only we who were selling, the same Ukraine sold all Soviet developments and remnants of weapons for a clean one.

          It is necessary to pay for normal work and take care of the workers, and equalize pensions to the level of a sane life, and not leave from hand to mouth. Russia is not China, we do not have so many people in stock. The foreign labor force is not only working in the low-paid sector now, but is already jumping into the middle staff. And labor specialties have such critical replacement rates that soon there will be no one to turn the light bulb into the crown of the leadership. In general, everything will be the same as it will 20 years ago, they will lower the state onto new rails and get used to it, survive as you want, the authorities are comfortable, which means people will be comfortable. And who disagrees, then the bulk or the agent of Washington, it’s ridiculous already from this stupidity and bitterness. In general, you do not need to rock the boat, the manual floats in it.))

          ps. criticism is not to you, but just thoughts out loud. hi
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 23 January 2021 12: 41
            +2
            Quote: XXXIII
            Foreign labor is not only now working in the low-paid sector

            On average, foreigners request and receive more local.
      3. Machito
        Machito 23 January 2021 12: 10
        +5
        Quote: nsm1
        In China, there is no political competition at all.
        Corruption is more than developed.
        And nepotism is the basis of business, guanxi - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%B8

        ... But what does everyone there steal,
        Will not go abroad.
        Their Gosplan is the whole thing
        Predicts skillfully.
        So even stealing
        Their own celebration is approaching ... (C)
      4. Anar
        Anar 24 January 2021 10: 28
        0
        Where is it wrong?
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 23 January 2021 10: 36
      0
      And there is.
      It is also very noticeable that the SYSTEM is set up to make a profit, day and now ... calculation, a normal plan for development, for the future, there is no and is not expected !!!
      A raw material appendage to someone .... is still very vigorous, but this is also not forever!
    3. Maki maki
      Maki maki 23 January 2021 10: 52
      +20
      Quote: Svarog
      Russia's revenues are threatened by theft, nepotism, corruption, lack of political competition

      As well as political will
    4. Incomprehensible
      Incomprehensible 23 January 2021 11: 33
      0
      Start with yourself - stop even thinking about promoting your interests at the expense of money or "I was borrowed here, I will go ahead of you" I hope everyone understood everything.
    5. ccsr
      ccsr 23 January 2021 13: 31
      -8
      Quote: Svarog
      Russia's income is threatened

      Does it bother you that only in 2020 China was able to surpass Russia in arms sales, and at the same time it has 10 times more population? Well, it's not a fact that the quantitative indicators of sales reflect the manufacturability of weapons, if only because cheap small arms can be sold to the whole world, and strategic missiles are not sold to anyone in accordance with international agreements.
      I don't know where these sobs about backwardness came from, but as far as I understand, the Chinese even bought Motor Sich in order to gain access to Soviet aircraft-building technologies.
      So don't worry too much - while we are still able to destroy China, but they do not have us, and this is the main thing for assessing the military-industrial complex of the two countries.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 24 January 2021 00: 44
        +2
        Quote: ccsr
        Does it bother you that only in 2020 China was able to surpass Russia in arms sales, and at the same time it has 10 times more population?


        Thus, in terms of sales of civilian industrial products, China has surpassed Russia for a long time. And the military-industrial complex was simply not their priority before - now they have decided to compete with the United States.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 24 January 2021 11: 59
          -2
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          Thus, China has surpassed Russia in sales of civilian industrial products for a long time.

          So they even surpassed the Americans for a long time, even in the production of cars, not to mention the production of consumer electronics - but they do not cry over this.
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          And the military-industrial complex was simply not their priority before - now they have decided to compete with the United States.

          No, the Chinese have always chased military developments, but they were not smart enough to create the most advanced weapons. But we succeeded, and I hope we will succeed in the future.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 24 January 2021 12: 22
            +2
            they were not smart enough to create the most advanced weapons. But we succeeded, and I hope we will succeed in the future.

            It was not us who succeeded, but the Soviet Union. We are just eating up his great legacy.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 24 January 2021 12: 53
              -2
              Quote: paul3390
              It was not us who succeeded, but the Soviet Union. We are just eating up his great legacy.

              Well, not everything that has now been created was developed in the USSR, so you should not think that past developments have not aged over thirty years. Although it is the scientific potential of the USSR that is the basis of our successes in current armaments, no one argues with this.
          2. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 24 January 2021 20: 34
            -1
            Quote: ccsr
            So they even surpassed the Americans for a long time, even in the production of cars, not to mention the production of consumer electronics - but they do not cry over this.


            I don’t know about tears, but Americans are very worried about China.

            Quote: ccsr

            No, the Chinese have always been chasing military developments,


            I don’t know what they were chasing, but their defense spending began to skyrocket only in ~ 2005.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 24 January 2021 12: 30
        +2
        reflect the manufacturability of weapons

        their domestic WS-10C, a modified version of the WS-10 engine, is as good as the Russian AL-31F engines

        In fact, the AL-31F was put into production in 1985 .. And it started in 1973 .. If they really reached its performance, then finally they were compared with the USSR at the end of its existence ..
    6. syndicalist
      syndicalist 23 January 2021 16: 20
      +3
      Quote: Svarog
      Theft, nepotism, corruption, and lack of political competition threaten Russia's income.

      And the "growing defense industry of China" does not threaten income at all, but Russia as such
  2. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 23 January 2021 10: 30
    +9
    We need to continue to sell our most advanced developments to the PRC, money does not smell wassat wassat
    But seriously, we need to start selling technology to China for a long time, which then will completely throw us out of the arms market.
  3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 23 January 2021 10: 36
    +9
    I'll tell you more, some Chinese companies offer ours to close production and sell their equipment of the same profile, so after the "friends" from the US in the 90s, we are now being helped by "friends" from the 2000s, but from China.
  4. apro
    apro 23 January 2021 10: 38
    -3
    And who would doubt that it will be so, if the ruins of former Soviet factories are all around?
    Only today the main income is the raw materials sector. The PRC does not sell raw materials. There is no threat in this regard.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 23 January 2021 11: 00
      +2
      Quote: apro
      And who would doubt that it will be so, if the ruins of former Soviet factories are all around?

      Well, why are you all denigrating "all-propals", "Look forward to the time", and do not go out into the street at all, because you’re not, you never know what you will see there)))))))
      1. apro
        apro 23 January 2021 11: 06
        +8
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        don't go outside at all

        I go out ... for cigarettes ... in front of me is a former dairy.today a trade cluster.with a sauna and a bathhouse.with accompanying services.to work food.on the turn of the former factory for the repair of mtlb.with empty workshops.and a frozen boiler room.I come to work. there is a wasteland around. the former plant amursemash.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 23 January 2021 11: 24
          +6
          Quote: apro
          I go out ... for cigarettes ... in front of me is a former dairy ...

          Now the confused people will tell you about the "profitability")))) But seriously, our MEZ produced wonderful natural halva, canning caviar produced marrow caviar, natural and very tasty. Nets make synthetic guano, but cheaper. Sugar plant was closed, it is not necessary to grow beets, but to drive grain to Turkey and shout that we are feeding the whole world. It's sad.
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 23 January 2021 12: 45
            -3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Nets make synthetic guano, but cheaper.
            This is not the fault of the networks.
            People like that, they buy worse, but cheaper.
            They gradually get used to surrogates and take even cheaper.
            GOSTs were canceled, drive anything according to your specifications ...
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 23 January 2021 13: 12
              +4
              Quote: nsm1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Nets make synthetic guano, but cheaper.
              This is not the fault of the networks.
              People like that, they buy worse, but cheaper.
              They gradually get used to surrogates and take even cheaper.
              GOSTs were canceled, drive anything according to your specifications ...

              This is the fault of the state in the monopolization of the market by corporations.
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 23 January 2021 11: 55
          -11%
          Quote: apro
          I go out ... for cigarettes ... in front of me is a former dairy.

          Is there no milk in the store? How many varieties? laughing
          And what brands of cars are around? And how many of your friends DO NOT HAVE a car in their family?
          1. apro
            apro 23 January 2021 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Is there no milk in the store?

            Mountain shooter. I don’t buy milk in the store. I don’t buy an incomprehensible cocktail made with water. Earlier they brought them from the village. Today it’s not profitable to keep cows.
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            And what brands of cars are around?

            Used Japanese women. Yes, and not an indicator of am well-being today. All on credit. Yes, screaming about expensive gasoline.
            I have not. I see no need.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 23 January 2021 12: 18
              -6
              Quote: apro
              Mountain shooter. I don’t buy milk in the store. I don’t buy an incomprehensible cocktail made with water. Earlier they brought them from the village. Today it’s not profitable to keep cows

              Is it SO bad? In short, poverty today, hunger, flea markets at every corner ... Or have I confused the time?
              1. apro
                apro 23 January 2021 12: 19
                +5
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                Is it SO bad?

                It's not the same for everybody...
                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 23 January 2021 12: 34
                  -8
                  Quote: apro
                  It's not the same for everybody...

                  That's it. You can find a lot of bad things anywhere ... Have you heard about Silicon Valley? The world center of technology, space salaries ... And in life - a terrible hole, in a treeless and dull area ... California is the coolest state in the USA, again, salaries ... The cost of living is THREE times higher than in, say, Ohio ... My friend from Ohio went there, he says, nafig ... Everything is learned by comparison. Now the country has everything. All you need is money. We must be able to EARN them, not steal them, but EARN. And for this you need to become a specialist. In demand in the labor market. I know those. A lot. And there are a lot of professions in demand. But ... you have to work. A lot, tensely, thoughtfully ... To engage in self-education, to grow in my profession. Machine operators, welders, electronics (I'm talking about working specialties, not engineering) ... They organize into groups, buy CNC machines, rent premises, take orders. They buy cool welding equipment, welding tables with fixtures for a million rubles! And they beat back costs, and their families do not complain about lack of money.
                  1. apro
                    apro 23 January 2021 12: 52
                    +6
                    The shooter ... did not understand. What do you want to convey? The favorite slogan of the Russian liberal, start with yourself? About the fact that you need to grow up .. I have been working for a long time. In my business I am at the level. But young people today are raising both the level and professionalism. What to implement their skills in sga.Germanii.Novy Zelandii.YuKore.V Russia does not see prospects.
                    Quote: Mountain Shooter
                    You must be able to EARN them, not steal them, but EARN.

                    This must be knocked out in stone. But the realities in the Russian Federation. Today are such. That honestly you can only get into a puddle. That is not once confirmed by life. The directives of society are not aimed at honestly doing business.
                    1. Mountain shooter
                      Mountain shooter 23 January 2021 12: 58
                      -6
                      Quote: apro
                      This must be knocked out in stone. But the realities in the Russian Federation. Today are such. That honestly you can only get into a puddle. That is not once confirmed by life. The directives of society are not aimed at honestly doing business.

                      Have you tried it? By yourself? Personally, I pay my own salary. Since 89. And no one bothers me at the state level. And government officials don't go anywhere ... Everything can be done. It's just that when you have to do something, there is no time to whine. And if your pocket is empty, look where you made a mistake, and do not look for the guilty ones.
                      1. apro
                        apro 23 January 2021 13: 05
                        +5
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        Have you tried it? By yourself?

                        What I have been doing ... for the last many years, but what does it solve ??? is the industry developed in Russia? no ... science is developed? no .. what's the point that you are successful. if your country is rolling into a hole.
                    2. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 24 January 2021 00: 47
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      The shooter ... did not understand. What do you want to convey? The favorite slogan of the Russian liberal, start with yourself?


                      And also the favorite slogan of the Russian guardian is "they are even worse."
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                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 23 January 2021 13: 13
                  -5
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  "Smart guy", try to make cheese from store milk.

                  I made cottage cheese. Very tasty. Didn't try the cheese. But for him a special leaven is needed ...
                  And cottage cheese - no problem laughing
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 23 January 2021 12: 43
            +1
            [quote] [Is there no milk in the store? / quote] This is ne moloko. By the way, yes, what brands? How many have, and how many banks have on loans. Or will you tell me that in Russia the average salary is one hundred thousand.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 23 January 2021 12: 49
              -8
              Quote: Gardamir
              and how many banks have on loans. Or will you tell me that in Russia the average salary is one hundred thousand.

              And you don't have to go into loans if you can't afford it ... But those that I wrote about often have a hundred thousand, and more. True, they work hard ... Competition. There are a dozen and a half such workshops around my company. Laser cutting and bending ... waterjet cutting, CNC machining, argon-arc welding and in general all kinds of things, including gas-brazing. Mostly decorated as individual entrepreneurs. 4 - 6 - 10 people work ...
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 23 January 2021 13: 10
            +5
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Is there no milk in the store? How many varieties?

            "Smart guy", try to make cheese from store milk.
          4. paul3390
            paul3390 24 January 2021 12: 24
            +2
            And what brands of cars are around? And how many of your friends DO NOT HAVE a car in their family?

            God - how did you get this stupid liberal type of argument ...
      2. strelokmira
        strelokmira 23 January 2021 13: 45
        +1
        Well, why are you all denigrating "all-propals", "Look forward to the time", and do not go out into the street at all, because you’re not, you never know what you will see there)))))))

        Not to see Russia, not production, not the economy until such urashekas like in China are put up against the wall
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 23 January 2021 15: 21
          +1
          Quote: strelokmira
          until such urashekas like in China are placed against the wall

          "Urashek" is not put up to the wall anywhere, these are characters useful to the authorities. And yes, "urashki", this is a disaster, we have state employees in some places obliged to comment on political topics on the sites.))))) It's funny, of course, just some sad laugh.
  5. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 January 2021 10: 42
    +3
    Industry is developing .... it is logical to invest money in defense. Moreover, China has not forgotten the example of the "Opium" wars. And the situation is similar.
  6. Avior
    Avior 23 January 2021 10: 43
    +4
    The main stimulus for the development of the Chinese defense industry was the supply of military products, licenses and joint cooperation with Russian enterprises.
    The fact that China will become in the near future the main competitor in the arms market specifically for Russia, and not for the United States or another country, has been obvious for a very long time. But "hedgehogs cried, injected, but climbed on the cactus."
    I don’t know what is in this cooperation there is greed - greed and attempts to snatch money instantly, venality for Chinese kickbacks, desire to annoy the Americans - but the result is obvious - China is entering the second step in arms sales, and the structure of arms and price group is a direct competitor to Russian manufacturers , not the Americans.
    And this unprecedented drain of technologies to the Chinese continues, the Soviet has already been merged, it remains to merge the developments based on the Soviet ones, but it seems that this will not be the case ..... :(
    1. apro
      apro 23 January 2021 10: 58
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      The main stimulus for the development of the Chinese defense industry was the supply of military products, licenses and joint cooperation with Russian enterprises.

      Everything is so simple ??? again the PRC was fed? At the expense of the Russian Federation rose? and not the planned policy of the Chinese; purposeful movement forward in industry and science; a clear understanding of goals; ways to achieve them.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 January 2021 11: 05
        +6
        The Chinese took their chance, there is no question, and they know how to work, you are completely right.
        But the fact that the leap in technologies was made in the defense industry is Russia's contribution to this is very large. The competitor was actively dragged into the market.
        1. apro
          apro 23 January 2021 11: 13
          +5
          Quote: Avior
          The competitor was actively dragged into the market.

          But they got the money from this ??? what was wrong ??? there was no time to think about the future. When the babos thought. So who is to blame. At one time the aircraft plant in Komomolsk on the Amur. Survived only thanks to orders from the PRC. . who love to brag so much nebylo. the Russian state hammered a bolt on the defense industry. and everyone survived as best they could.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 January 2021 11: 16
            +5
            Instantly got fucked slightly. The perspective was blocked.
            And now it continues
  7. donavi49
    donavi49 23 January 2021 10: 43
    +7
    By the way, from today:
    Cambodia will receive Chinese FTC-2000G aircraft
    It is known that deliveries under the contract will take place in 2021-2023, the exact number of FTC-2000G aircraft ordered by Cambodia has not been reported, but, presumably, equal to six.
    The first prototype of the export version of the FTC-2000G made its first flight in Guiyang on September 28, 2018, the second prototype on October 29, 2019. The FTC-2000G is actually a variant of a light fighter, and while maintaining the two-seat cockpit equipped with an airborne radar and can be armed with a significant range of air-to-air and air-to-surface guided weapons, having seven external sling nodes.


    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 23 January 2021 12: 01
      +2
      Cambodia will receive Chinese FTC-2000G aircraft


      This is very similar to F5 ...
  8. lopvlad
    lopvlad 23 January 2021 10: 46
    -3
    China's goal is to become the world leader in arms exports by 2049, overtaking the United States.


    China has become the world leader in the export of "disposable" goods, so why can't it become the leader in the export of "disposable" weapons.
  9. ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 23 January 2021 10: 48
    +3
    Quite strangely, a number of politicians stated that Russia has a lot of money. And it turns out that there are no new developments due to the lack of this money.
    1. faiver
      faiver 23 January 2021 10: 58
      +4
      because this money is not going there ...
  10. faiver
    faiver 23 January 2021 10: 57
    +4
    and someone was expecting something else? We drove through everything that is possible and what is not, and further the gaps will only increase, and the gentlemen in the Kremlin will flourish ...
  11. for
    for 23 January 2021 11: 32
    +2
    Well done 2 cows milked Russia and the USA. True, with the United States to pull the titties, but from Russia it flows by gravity. That has not been heard about friendship and partnership for a long time.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 January 2021 11: 44
      +5
      Quote: for
      Well done 2 cows milked Russia and the USA. True, with the United States to pull the titties, but from Russia it flows by gravity. That has not been heard about friendship and partnership for a long time.

      The Saudis have overtaken the Russian Federation in oil supplies .. from the latest news about "partnership" .. China will never be our friend or "partner" until our scientific school, industry is revived and socialism returns.
      1. for
        for 23 January 2021 13: 10
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        "partner"

        Sorry, I forgot to put quotes. Now we have no one yet, the Turks fled.
  12. evgen1221
    evgen1221 23 January 2021 12: 07
    -3
    And also the Americans contributed to this with their bans. But something similar to the prohibitions applied to the Chinese military-industrial complex is inaudible from the amers. Yes, and they will be afraid to do something like that, the Chinese are not our corrupt non-feudal lords, they will immediately come back.
  13. cniza
    cniza 23 January 2021 12: 27
    0
    Beijing produces new weapons very quickly, releasing a new generation every ten years, as the Soviet Union did. Russia is lagging more and more behind China


    Sorry, but it's true ...
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 January 2021 12: 29
    0
    When they start to shoot our bureaucrats thieves like in China, then we'll see.
  15. RUSS
    RUSS 23 January 2021 16: 46
    0
    With the current government, we will slide even lower ...
  16. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 23 January 2021 16: 46
    -5
    And where is the flight of the J-20 paired with a combat drone, eh? request

    What has China overtaken there?))
  17. Old26
    Old26 23 January 2021 17: 11
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    But seriously, our MEZ produced excellent natural halva, canned caviar produced marrow caviar, natural and very tasty.

    So you are out of luck with your place of residence. In a store in my city, it's not a problem to buy the same halva, and the same squash caviar from several manufacturers ...

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Is there no milk in the store? How many varieties?

    "Smart guy", try to make cheese from store milk.

    What for? My wife made cottage cheese somehow, but cheese ... we have a very decent dairy plant in our city. Besides everything else, it produces a couple of cheese varieties. Using the same Western technology. And why should I buy "Roquefort" or something else, brought from nowhere, when I will take the Russian analogue in the company store (from the factory)

    Quote: lopvlad
    China has become the world leader in the export of "disposable" goods, so why can't it become the leader in the export of "disposable" weapons.

    Are the buyers of his weapons so dumb that they prefer to buy "disposable" weapons? Maybe for 20 years you were mistaken in your opinion about disposability?
  18. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 27 January 2021 08: 56
    0
    Two points - China makes engines for copies of the Su-27, but with no resource. Until now, hundreds of AL-31F modifications are being bought.
    The second point, they made the engine for the j-20, but the fuel consumption went far beyond the limits.
    So they don't have their own Desktop engine. Their reverse-engineering school is good. They can rivet iPhones, do gliders for airplanes somehow (why did they need technical documentation for the Su-33, bought from Ukraine? If they can do everything?), But create they themselves do not know how.
    The same for ship's gas turbine engines, bought from Ukraine.
    They also wanted to buy Motor Sich in order to master the TV3-117 technology.
    China's capabilities are highly, highly exaggerated when it comes to difficult things, IMHO.