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Pistols ... with bayonets

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Any novelty is usually used until "frayed to holes." Similar история took place with bayonets. They also began to be installed on pistols, and even on ... machine guns. But today we will start with pistols and ... revolvers, for which special bayonets were also invented!
He pulled out a pistol,

Like myself, just as plump,
And a six-barreled barrel
He brought the pilgrims to the spot: “Don't move! If you move,
Rogues! robbers!
"Who Lives Well in Russia" N.А. Nekrasov

History weapons. Articles about bayonets aroused great interest of the VO readership, and this is not surprising. After all, it was indeed a very effective weapon, and such it was not for years - centuries! And how many kilometers of intestines are perforated with bayonets and wound on bayonets, probably, it would be quite enough to cover the distance from the Earth to the Moon and back.

However, in the process of writing these articles and delving into the material itself, one very interesting thing came to light, namely that the use of bayonets took place not only in long-barreled weapons, but also in short-barreled ones with an important purpose ... to add versatility and lethality to it.

The bayonet on the gun originally appeared, performing the functions of protecting the infantryman from the horseman. Many infantrymen could bristle with their bayonets so that their horsemen would simply not have dared to attack them, since this would mean certain death for them. And only over time, as, so to speak, the development of military art, the military realized that a bayonet can serve not only as a means of defense, but also an attack, and that bayonets can kill not only horses, but also people. And to finish off the prisoners or the wounded with them, there is nothing easier at all, and then who will be there to disassemble, where and how the enemy is stabbed - upright or already lying on the ground.

And it is clear that, seeing such a high efficiency of the bayonet, the manufacturers of pistols immediately tried to take it into service. When pistols were wheeled and expensive, there were no bayonets yet, but when they appeared, flint locks became widespread, which immediately significantly reduced the cost of pistols. And if the horsemen, as well as the officers in the infantry, didn’t need pistols with bayonets, since both of them got by with either just a sword or a saber and a lance, then the civilians liked this improvement very much. After firing a pistol once, a person armed with him turned out to be completely unarmed and had to either load it in a hurry, or run away from his opponent, or surrender, giving up his wallet, or even his life. Well, a pistol with a bayonet made it possible to grapple with the same robber hand-to-hand and hit him, if not with a bullet, then with a bayonet!

Pistols ... with bayonets
A set of pistols from Mortimer & Son (photo by Alain Daubresse)

Many pistols equipped with bayonets were produced by British gunsmiths. For example, a pair of pistols from Mortimer & Son. These are pocket pistols with a flintlock, seven inches in length, needle bayonets and smooth barrels of .0,52 caliber. Bayonets are on the barrels to the right. They can be folded back and locked in this position. Triggers are also made foldable, which makes them easy to use. The walnut stocks are inlaid with engraved silver flowers and wire swirls, and are decorated with engraved overlays that bear the inscription: "Mortimer and Son".


John Richards' three-barreled rifled pistol (photo by Alain Daubresse)

It is clear that two barrels on a pistol are better than one, and three are better than two. But such pistols were difficult to manufacture and maintain, and therefore expensive. Nevertheless, for example, in 1790, the London firm of John Richards even released a three-barreled pistol with rifled barrels that ensure accurate combat, and besides, with a bayonet, which also unfolds if necessary.


Two barrels of a larger caliber, the third is the lower one, has a smaller caliber (photo by Alain Daubresse)

The pistol is very miniature. However, the lower-most barrel of the smaller caliber is equipped with a triangular spring bayonet. Box lock with engraved panels bears the inscription: J. RICHARDS LONDON. It has a positional lever for switching the ignition of charges in the barrels (on the left), and behind the trigger there is also a fuse. The pistol really looks like a toy, but it can easily kill a person, especially if you shoot him point-blank and gouge his eye out with a bayonet.


A still from the animated film "The Adventures of Pinocchio" (1959). As a child I really liked this cartoon, but for a long time I considered the pistols of the Cat and the Fox shown in it to be an artist's invention ... But no, there were, it turns out, such pistols!

Here's a gun that came straight out of a fairy tale. 78 caliber barrel, barrel length 130 mm, engraved with “W. BOND ”and even the manufacturer's specified address“ LOMBARDS / 59 / LONDON ”. The bayonet is needle, folding, located at the bottom, so the ramrod mount is on the right.


V. Bond pistol (photo by Alain Daubresse)


In this photo, you can clearly see the bracket with which the pistol could be fastened to the waist belt! (photo by Alain Daubresse)


Another pistol with a frightening diameter barrel and, of course, a bayonet! French production this time (photo by Alain Daubresse)


Potts pistol

As soon as the primer pistols appeared, bayonets appeared on them. For example, the bayonet had a .32 caliber Potts pistol. It had two barrels located vertically, two hammers, two triggers and two brandtubes respectively shifted relative to the barrels.


The 10-mm Spanish hairpin bayonet pistol had two barrels arranged horizontally, and a folding bayonet in the hollow between them! (photo by Alain Daubresse)


Barrel block mounting mechanism (photo by Alain Daubresse)

A dagger pistol with two vertically positioned barrels of 0.41 caliber (10,4 mm) chambered for rimfire and ... a fixed bayonet between the barrels under a patent of 1868 was also produced by the Frank Wesson enterprise. The barrels on it were turned manually. Descent - nipple. By the way, the six-barrel revolver-pepper shaker, with which the plump merchant frightened the peasants from the villages "Gorelova, Neelova - Neurozhayka, too ...", could well have a fixed and non-retractable bayonet-lance located in the middle between the barrels, such models are also known.


Well, when the era of classic revolvers with one barrel and a drum came, bayonets appeared on them. For example, an advertisement for Francott's revolver with a bayonet is just absolutely frightening! (photo by Alain Daubresse)


Hairpin revolver manufactured by P. Stephens (Maastricht, Netherlands) with an underbarrel folding bayonet. Caliber 11 mm, length 27 cm (photo by Alain Daubresse)

Moreover, bayonets on short-barreled firearms were installed not only on civilian models, but also on service ones. So, for example, the revolvers of the Nagant M.1884 of 7,5 mm caliber, which entered service with the Luxembourg gendarmerie, were equipped with removable bayonets!


Gendarme revolver "revolver" M.1884, Luxembourg (photo by Alain Daubresse)

During the First World War, there was a need for portable weapons for fighting in the trenches. Rifles and even carbines were not suitable for this. The soldiers went on the attack, gaining grenades, and with sharpened sapper blades, others armed with axes or homemade clubs, seated with nails. The Pritchard bayonet, mounted on a .455 Webley Mark VI revolver with a standard 6-inch barrel, should have solved this problem.


Bayonet revolver "Vebley" MK VI Pritchard. Designed by Lieutenant Arthur Prichard of the 3rd Royal Berkshire Regiment. (Photo by Alain Daubresse)

The bayonet had a special brass grip, to which the front of the bayonets of the French M.1874 Gras rifle with a "T" cross-section, which were very accessible during the First World War, was attached to it.


Revolver Vebley-Pritchard with a bayonet on the barrel (photo by Alain Daubresse)

The bayonet device was such that it did not interfere with aiming, while the end of the handle had a special recess for the barrel hinge on the revolver frame. Thanks to this, the revolver could be freely reloaded without removing the bayonet.


A locking latch was provided on the cross, which was located directly behind the front sight mount and held the bayonet on the weapon. In addition, this revolver, along with a bayonet, also relied on a butt, which, in fact, turned it into a light six-shot large-caliber carbine, very rapid-firing, and besides, with a bayonet!

To be continued ...
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  1. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 2 February 2021 05: 23
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    Yeah. And religion did not allow carrying a pistol and a knife separately?
    1. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 4 February 2021 09: 52
      0
      Allowed, but why, when you can combine two in one and get an additional short blade? Epee plus a bayonet pistol as a dagger - here's a set for classic Italian fencing, if one shot was not enough.
  2. Van 16
    Van 16 2 February 2021 05: 23
    +11
    Very interesting, I have never even heard of this. Well, or passed it by deaf ears. Thank you!
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 2 February 2021 05: 58
      +7
      Thank you for continuing the series of articles on bayonets!
      Live and learn good

      This is interesting and rare information, the author delighted us.
      1. RealPilot
        RealPilot 2 February 2021 06: 11
        +9
        And then an interesting thought occurred to me.

        In those years, of course, a single-shot pistol was not a reliable means of self-defense, because reloading took an eternity of relatively rapidly developing close combat. And the bayonet is a great addition. Even for a revolver, it was very useful, despite the multiple charges ...

        Again, compactness. A folding or attached bayonet, due to the length of the pistol, adds distance to the enemy. And the effect of a long blade was achieved, which is more difficult to hide and secretly wear. Well, contactless combat, of course.

        But! In those years there was not yet mufflers - devices for silent shooting. That is, one shot unmasked the shooter with no alternative.
        And the bayonet on a pistol or revolver, especially long enough (the Vebley-Pritchard Revolver in the article is a handsome man!), Made it possible not to notify the whole district about the mutual claims of the fighters.

        At the same time, starting a battle with a bayonet, it was almost guaranteed to increase the effectiveness and lethality of a bayonet strike with a point-blank shot. The bayonet has already entered the enemy - a bullet hit is guaranteed, this is a control shot.
        Indeed, in many cases, more than one thrusting blow cannot be inflicted on the enemy ...

        And the sequence: shot, fright, finishing ...
        1. CTABEP
          CTABEP 2 February 2021 06: 41
          +10
          Perhaps the only use for such bayonets. It's a pity the author did not indicate their length, but it looks like 5-8 cm here, for the majority, it is difficult to inflict such a fatal wound, and it will not work to wield the same speed as with a knife.
          1. Crowe
            Crowe 2 February 2021 07: 08
            +13
            Yeah, where only bayonets and knives were not shoved.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 2 February 2021 07: 32
            +11
            Quite fair. good
          3. vladcub
            vladcub 2 February 2021 07: 55
            +9
            I agree. 6-7cm bayonet not to god a candle not damn a poker. It's useful though. For the robbers: tell me where the money is, or I'll gouge my eye out.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 2 February 2021 09: 15
              +5
              Quote: vladcub
              For the robbers: tell me where the money is, or I'll gouge my eye out.

              Oh apple, yes with blueberries,
              Come bourgeois, I'll pick out an eye,
              I’ll stick out the eye, the other will remain,
              So that you can see who to bow to! (WITH)
              Sharikov's song from the Heart of a Dog! laughing
              Great Article! Shpakovsky - Respect hi It is more logical, of course, that "short-barreled" is an addition to melee weapons (for example, a scout's knife, historical hybrids of swords, daggers with a firing mechanism), but ... based on the example of this article, it is clear that not everyone has such a logic.
              Have a nice day, everyone! hi
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 2 February 2021 07: 31
          +7
          Despite this, bayonets were not "attached" to revolvers in the future, Vebley-Pritchard was a forced and temporary way out of the situation.
      2. nnm
        nnm 2 February 2021 19: 34
        +1
        and even ... machine guns. But we'll start today ...

        Many thanks to the author for his work. I think that he will soon please us with a similar topic regarding machine guns.
        1. nnm
          nnm 2 February 2021 19: 42
          +4
          I think, handicraft modifications, or a special order from BLM, but it just seemed interesting that the topic is still relevant:

          1. Fat
            Fat 2 February 2021 20: 40
            +1
            I said so before. That there are suggestions.
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 3 February 2021 00: 46
            +2
            Quote: nnm
            it just seemed interesting that the topic is still relevant
            nambu katana pistol
            Nambu katana
    2. kalibr
      2 February 2021 08: 06
      +16
      Quote: Van 16
      Very interesting, I have never even heard of this.

      Great! So I am not working in vain!
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 2 February 2021 09: 45
        +14
        No wonder, Vyacheslav Batkovich! Thanks to such Authors, "VO" takes its well-deserved place in the world.
        1. kalibr
          2 February 2021 10: 08
          +7
          That's how it is! Well, well, nice ...
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 2 February 2021 15: 40
            +5
            This is the great merit of the authors. If another good "historian" was added, it would be more fun, otherwise Samsonov and K have lit a lot of hamsters that are sitting at every step
          2. Fat
            Fat 2 February 2021 19: 05
            +1
            Vyacheslav Olegovich. You had an article that caused controversy ... About how you assembled a variant of a weapon for "special naz", half joking. This article, as it were, echoes this one.
            Most pistols are now equipped with a Picatinny rail. Strange as it may seem, there is a rather massive offer of "bayonets" to replace the underbarrel flashlight ... fellow
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 2 February 2021 15: 23
      +2
      I join you! The author burns !!!)
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 2 February 2021 05: 46
    +11
    Hello friends and good morning everyone. smile
    Vyacheslav Olegych again heartily pleased with an interesting article. I was especially impressed by the "kilometers of intestines from the Earth to the Moon", the effectiveness of edged weapons in "parsecs", before our Shpakovsky, perhaps, no one assessed.
    In any case, thanks to Olegich, I saw Vebley with Pritchard's bayonet for the first time. good
    1. kalibr
      2 February 2021 08: 09
      +5
      Quote: Sea Cat
      In any case, thanks to Olegich, I saw Vebley with Pritchard's bayonet for the first time.

      I, too! Writing articles on VO is very enriching, very ... Now you graze in one museum, then in another, then you communicate with one specialist, then with another. Now there is one company tortured with advertising - he promised to write about their weapons, well ... now a "client".
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 February 2021 05: 58
    +7
    Interesting. Highly. But it doesn't look so harmonious.
    Like pocket knives, tools are overloaded.

    But where Basilio and Alice got theirs is a separate song.
    What is it that the pilgrims have in their knapsack.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 2 February 2021 07: 59
      +7
      Cats are generally thrifty people, "and they know how to use a typewriter." smile
    2. kalibr
      2 February 2021 08: 12
      +7
      Quote: Korsar4
      Like pocket knives, tools are overloaded.

      As a child, there was a knife: two blades, a corkscrew, a screwdriver, a nail file, scissors (!), An awl. The neighborhood boys were full of envy in their pants.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 2 February 2021 10: 44
        +3
        In our childhood, penknives were our everything! and yes - very often it was a subject of pride and envy))
        So they used them often, either to cut the boat, or to whistle, and just played with "knives".
  5. novel66
    novel66 2 February 2021 07: 11
    +6
    and even on ... machine guns
    know !! these are Japanese !!!!
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 2 February 2021 07: 35
      +7
      Exactly.
      The Nemaks on the FG-42 also had a needle bayonet, but they positioned this machine not as a machine gun, but as an automatic rifle for a parachutist,
      although in essence it was, of course, a light machine gun.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 2 February 2021 07: 57
      +7
      Japanese with bayonet - Type 99.

      The Germans also had an FG-42 with a needle bayonet, although it was positioned as an "automatic parachutist rifle", but in fact it was still a light machine gun.


      Bottom photo - bayonet and magazine for 20 rounds.
      1. novel66
        novel66 2 February 2021 08: 00
        +4
        not the topic ... but about the machine gun - it's here, madsen, I think
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 2 February 2021 08: 05
          +7
          No, this is the British "Bran", stands for Brno-Enfield, the Czech development Zbrojovka Brno ZB vz.26, the British slightly reworked and made their own.
          1. kalibr
            2 February 2021 08: 18
            +8
            ZB vz. 26 - by the way, the favorite machine gun of North Korean sculptors and artists. I had an album of North Korean art, "from there", of the quality of the obsolete. So there was a lot of battle paintings and sculptures. And if it's up to 1945, then all the machine gunners with the "ZB". And on the monuments ... I sold it as ... though for a lot of money, I thought it wouldn't be useful ... We don't know our fate.
          2. CastroRuiz
            CastroRuiz 2 February 2021 11: 56
            +2
            Oni nesdelali svoye, nichego neperabotali a poriadochno kupili v CSR licenziu.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 2 February 2021 17: 35
              +2
              They have their own store, sector-based and with a larger capacity, so pardon. smile
              1. CastroRuiz
                CastroRuiz 2 February 2021 17: 37
                +2
                Smenu magazina nazivat pererabotkoy izdelia eto perebor.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 2 February 2021 17: 51
                  +2
                  The store is an integral part of the design, the replacement of one part entails a change in the performance characteristics of the weapon and, therefore, is considered an original sample, in contrast to the prototype. There were also some changes, now, on a glance, I don't remember.
                  1. CastroRuiz
                    CastroRuiz 2 February 2021 17: 54
                    +2
                    Napr. smena kal. na 303 british.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 2 February 2021 17: 57
                      +2
                      That's right, and it's also being patented.
        2. kalibr
          2 February 2021 08: 14
          +8
          About Madsen and Bran and in great detail, 3-4 articles were my materials on VO. Type in the search engine Bran Voen ... Shpakovsky - and it will open to you. There in the details.
          1. novel66
            novel66 2 February 2021 08: 16
            +7
            thanks, by all means hi
  6. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 2 February 2021 08: 25
    +10
    Stalin's four-shot dagger of 32 caliber, a gift from the Americans, did not seem to be shown.

    1. kalibr
      2 February 2021 08: 42
      +5
      I have not seen this! Thanks. And the source? Where is it?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 February 2021 08: 46
        +7
        http://zonwar.ru/news5/news_972_Klinok_Stalina.html
        Stored in the former Museum of the Revolution (Museum of Contemporary History of Russia).
        1. kalibr
          2 February 2021 09: 14
          +2
          Thank you! Very interesting!
    2. sen
      sen 3 February 2021 06: 49
      +2
      The Chinese have a similar shooting knife QSB-91
  7. doktorkurgan
    doktorkurgan 2 February 2021 08: 27
    +2
    > a six-barreled pepper-shaker revolver used by a plump merchant

    There was a nobleman, Obolduev.
  8. Avior
    Avior 2 February 2021 08: 37
    +6
    ... He pulled out a pistol, like himself, the same plump,
    And a six-barreled barrel
    On strangers brought


    smile
  9. vladcub
    vladcub 2 February 2021 09: 02
    +3
    Q. Oh, thank you. Interesting sequel and tasteful illustrations.
    Vebley-Pritchard is a very interesting development, and that's the thing for trench disassembly. You can use a butt, you can use a bayonet, or you can use a bullet.
    It seems that - Pritchard had the makings of a designer. Q. Oh, you were not interested in his future fate?
    1. kalibr
      2 February 2021 09: 15
      +3
      Quote: vladcub
      You were not interested in his future fate?

      You know ... I barely found Collier's biography ...
  10. vladcub
    vladcub 2 February 2021 09: 05
    +3
    "hit him with a bayonet, if not a bullet," but a handle is not an option?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 February 2021 09: 32
      +5
      Quote: vladcub
      hit him, if not with a bullet, then with a bayonet, "and the handle is not an option?

      That's it! Now, for example, baseball bats are in vogue (!), And tads had their own version of the "beat"!

      And wabche .... bayonet, bayonet ... and what is worse than an ax?
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 09: 55
        +4
        Now, for example, baseball bats are in vogue (!), And tads had their own version of the "beat"!

        Vladimir, welcome! drinks I used to think that the ball on the handle is really for a "muzzle bit", and then I read the opinion that this was done in order to more conveniently snatch out of the saddle holster. fellow by the way, I think, such a pommel also carried out the balance of the pistol. And here's my second thought: in fact, a pistol with a wheel lock is a kind of work of technology and art of that opinion? And it wasn't cheap? Simply, if you think so, how many people would have been willing to test the strength of his handle on the opponent's head? laughing drinks What do you think?
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 2 February 2021 10: 44
          +3
          Nikolai, what do you think?
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 10: 49
            +3
            Nikolai, what do you think?

            and God knows him. I used to think that I could use it as a club. Now it's a pity! laughing
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 2 February 2021 10: 52
              +4
              Who do you feel sorry for? Supost, and he will pity you? Pistol? So darling is sorry for himself.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 10: 55
                +4
                Who do you feel sorry for? Supost, and he will pity you? Pistol? So darling is sorry for himself.

                You are completely right! good but then I would not be engaged in such a chic finish of the device! request
                I wonder how many winding keys were included in the kit? In battle, such a pistol was unlikely to be reloaded ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 3 February 2021 09: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  In battle, such a pistol was unlikely to be reloaded ...

                  I read that wheel locks were mainly used for hunting, they are complicated and expensive for those times.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 09: 57
                    +1
                    they are complicated and expensive for those times.

                    Vladimir, hello! Dear ones, yes.
                    I read that wheel locks were mainly used for hunting

                    I think it applied to guns. By the way, I also think that the main part of the shooting infantry until the end of the 17th century, it seems, was armed with match muskets (this is reflected in the French infantry textbook of the printing house of Maitre Giffard, 1696). But wheeled pistols were used with might and main by reiters. drinks
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 3 February 2021 10: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      I think it applied to guns.
                      Fittings in the Tula Arms Museum are signed as hunting fittings. There were also dueling ones.
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Just if you think so, how many people would have been willing to test the strength of his grip on the opponent's head?

                      Maybe hang on the wall and show off fabulous motives.
                      What is this flying pig spitting flowers?
                      And here it is closer to the hunting theme, like a hog.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 10: 48
                        +1
                        What is this flying pig spitting flowers?

                        This is a dragon after a long binge. laughing
        2. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 2 February 2021 11: 04
          +4
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          I used to think that the ball on the handle is really for a "muzzle bit", and then I read the opinion that this was done in order to more conveniently snatch out of the saddle holster

          Good afternoon Nikolai, in order to hit on the head - they also used it: this is clearly seen in the numerous paintings of that time, depicting battles. hi
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 11: 50
            +1
            in numerous paintings of that time, depicting battles.

            Sergey, please take a photo to the studio! drinks
            The last time I was in Monplaisir was in August 2018. drinks There, the tour begins with an art gallery. And here is a picture of the 17-18 centuries. One depicted a battle of horsemen - two small groups, hats with feathers - apparently from the 17th century, "wars in lace". Horses are racing at each other, someone is already firing a pistol .. fellow But I didn't see the signature under it! request it's a pity! recourse
            1. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 2 February 2021 12: 07
              +1
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              Sergey, please take a photo to the studio!

              Nikolai, a little later: I have a book at home and I think I saw a picture in it where the riders enthusiastically beat each other with pistols.
              I wonder how many winding keys were included in the kit? In battle, such a pistol was unlikely to be reloaded ..

              I think there were several keys, they also tend to get lost.
              And reloading - here depended on tactics: when using the Karakol - the rank of the reitar, after unloading the weapon, drove off to the rear to reload, it was replaced by another line. And so in a landfill, of course, it is unlikely that you will overcharge.
              In addition, the number of shots was far from 1 per 1 barrel, but less - most likely no more than 50%, the rest was misfires. I remember reading that even in the era of the Napoleonic wars, when there were already more advanced weapons, the number of misfires reached 50%: we are talking about cavalry, from jolting during a jump - misfires are very frequent, however, wheel locks were probably more reliable than flint locks, but they also gave frequent misfires. hi
              1. kalibr
                2 February 2021 12: 12
                +3
                Quote: Mihaylov
                I saw a picture where horsemen with enthusiasm beat each other with pistols.

                There were several articles about cuirassiers, including paintings with their images. And yes - there was an image of how they beat on the head with handles. But this was not typical. Many spherical tops were generally hollow for flints.
                1. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 2 February 2021 12: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: kalibr
                  And yes - there was an image of how they beat on the head with handles. But this was not typical.

                  Definitely not according to the charter! hi
                  But it happened, and most likely not so and rarely: it's better this way than nothing, especially if in the "dump" you don't even have time to pull out a cold weapon.
                2. Van 16
                  Van 16 2 February 2021 12: 56
                  +2
                  By the way, about the cuirassiers. On the news today:
                  "In summer, the first Russian cuirassier lieutenants will be released from the walls of the Tyumen Higher Military Engineering School"
                  It is clear that we are not talking about the cuirassiers that are in the articles, and they are officially called differently, but ..
                  Just for information.
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 15
                +2
                where riders enthusiastically beat each other with pistols.

                Are they wearing helmets? laughing This, remember, the first military aviators took a pistol or a carbine with them and tried to shoot down enemy airplanes with such shooting. Sometimes, having used up the cartridges, the sides scattered, finally launching an empty pistol at the enemy. laughing
                misfires are very frequent, however, wheel locks were probably more reliable than flint locks, but they also gave frequent misfires

                also read that it is more reliable.
                In addition, the number of shots was far from 1 per 1 barrel, but less - most likely no more than 50%, the rest was misfires.

                A little not about misfires, but about another difficulty in shooting. IN. Shpakovsky once wrote about the guns found after the Battle of Gettysburg. There the question was not about misfires, but about the fact that many were charged several times. Like, in a hurry on stress, I loaded it, forgot to put on the capsule, pulled the trigger, and you think you fired. wassat
                1. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 2 February 2021 12: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  Shpakovsky once wrote about the guns found after the Battle of Gettysburg. There the question was not about misfires, but about the fact that many were charged several times. Like, in a hurry on stress, I loaded it, forgot to put on the primer, pulled the trigger, and you think you fired

                  And this is already a more perfect capsule weapon, and in a flintlock a misfire is a common thing, and when a line fires, and even black powder, it’s not clear whether your gun fired or not, then the command to reload, and 2-3 hammered charges and turns out. But I think a lot depends on the training of a soldier. hi
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 28
                    +2
                    But I think a lot depends on the training of a soldier.

                    And combat experience ... soldier
                2. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 2 February 2021 12: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  finally launching an empty pistol at the enemy.

                  Pistik - sorry wassat
                  But I wonder if they really sat in pans - or stories?
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 55
                    +1
                    But I wonder if they really sat in pans - or stories?

                    That's what I don't know, I don't know that! laughing
                3. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 3 February 2021 09: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  Sometimes, having used up the cartridges, the sides scattered, finally launching an empty pistol at the enemy.

                  It’s much better to have a cobblestone under your feet.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 10: 03
                    0
                    It’s much better to have a cobblestone under your feet.

                    Until a machine gun was placed on the plane, attempts to hit the enemy were intricate and lurid. What they just didn’t invent. laughing EMNIP, Nesterov and Kruten proposed a rope with a weight - to throw on the propeller of an enemy airplane. fellow Well, Nesterov was the first to "test" the air ram ... soldier
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 3 February 2021 10: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Nesterov and Kruten proposed a rope with a weight - to throw on the propeller of an enemy airplane.

                      I am aware of this. If you read A. Zagortsev "Psycho", then ours in Syria catch Barmaley drones using fishing line and balloons. The type of barrage balloons.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 11: 21
                        +1
                        A. Zagortseva "Psycho", then our people in Syria catch Barmaley drones with fishing line and balloons.

                        I don't know how true this is, I saw a picture about the "drone war" in Tokyo. laughing
            2. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 2 February 2021 14: 47
              +2
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              Sergey, please take a photo to the studio!

              Nikolay, I found it on the Internet at the request: Flemish battle painting




              But Vyacheslav Olegovich says that this topic has already been discussed here and probably these pictures have already been cited.
              I made the clippings.
              And the puffer / apple in general originally appeared as a counterweight in the pistol, since they were initially very bulky and heavy and so that the barrel did not outweigh they made a counterweight.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 15: 50
                +2
                Flemish battle painting

                Wow! belay However, I bow, Sergei! good "The parties went into a rage so much that they blasted each other with what came to hand!" fellow drinks
                1. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 2 February 2021 16: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  the parties went into a rage so much that they blasted each other with what came to hand!

                  It was noticed very accurately: looking through the battle painting, we can confidently assert this: they blast each other with everything that comes to hand. Here, in my opinion, is trying to fight back with a horn, although it is not entirely clear:

                  There are constantly images of how they fight with muskets taken by the barrel.
                  And pistols - by the way, there are a lot of such pictures, I only brought a part.
                  Here are a couple more from the same series:

                  drinks
                  1. kalibr
                    2 February 2021 18: 06
                    +3
                    but these three were not given. Interesting. Beats with a horn, exactly
              2. kalibr
                2 February 2021 18: 05
                +3
                Quote: Mihaylov
                these pictures have already been given.

                Yes. And they were described in detail. Except for the last one.
        3. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 2 February 2021 15: 04
          +2
          Duc, it may happen that the "dreamy" is combined with the practical ... that is, both the convenience of a pistol to snatch, and the convenience of "apple" to the lobster of the foe to starve! Moreover, more than one author argued in his article that the knob is for massacre! There are and are not refuted these versions: 1. the knob "turns" the pistol into a club, 2. the counterbalance knob, for example ... As for the "work of art", then in those distant times the decoration of objects, tools, weapons ... of what a person used was a natural phenomenon and did not cause such stormy delight as it does now! An increase in the quantitative demand for objects (the development of commodity relations) is the enemy for the desire for decoration! In addition, if the life of a "mid-century tovarisch" is on the line, then the "tovarisch" will in a moment forget about the "historical value" of the object and, in a state of "passion", will star the opponent with an antique between the eyes! We should not forget that pistols with "apples" were popular in the 16th and early 17th centuries. When pistols were the size of your carbines! At the end of the 17th - from the beginning of the 18th centuries, pistols became smaller in size and, practically, lost their head-balls; but as before, they were "located" in saddle holsters! (of course, we are talking about cavalry ...) And, if, again, we talk about the antique value of old pistols, then we should not forget that pistol bayonets are the last chance in an extreme case, about which they "dream", that it will not come! All the same, I think, it is not for nothing that they show in cinematography how, having slept from pistols, these are thrown aside and snatched out swords or cutlass! This is probably in order to preserve antique weapons ... what
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 15: 58
            +4
            This is probably in order to preserve antique weapons ...

            By the way, as V.O. Shpakovsky, in a number of scenes of The Hussar Ballad, primer pistols are used. Apparently, based on the savings of antiques. laughing No, probably it was easier to handle them! drinks
            In addition, if the life of a “mid-century tovarisch” is at stake, then the “tovarisch” will in a moment forget about the “historical value” of the object and, in a state of “passion,” will star the opponent with an antique object between the eyes!

            That's for sure! But for them they were not so much historically valuable (weapons are contemporary to a comrade!), As expensive! fellow Well, in general - you want to live, you will beat everything that is at hand! drinks
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 2 February 2021 10: 42
        +3
        Nikolaich, and the revolver is an ax. SPECIFIC TOY
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 2 February 2021 15: 20
          +2
          Quote: vladcub
          revolver - ax. SPECIFIC TOY

          Duc, specific boarding weapons! am I am more "pretty" this pistol!

          But this is for fans of "rebus-cracksword"!
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 16: 00
            +5
            But this is for fans of "rebus-cracksword"!

            The closest relative of such a wunderwafe is a mortar shovel? laughing
            Colleagues, wonderful forum! I bow to everyone! drinks like the good old days....
            1. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 2 February 2021 16: 12
              +2
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              The closest relative of such a wunderwafe is a mortar shovel?

              I saw this in the Artillery Museum hi
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 2 February 2021 16: 30
            +1
            Now I am comparing both pistols and it is difficult to say which is "more beautiful" or functional. Probably, the lower one is of a later era, and the upper one wins in finishing
  11. Bormanxnumx
    Bormanxnumx 2 February 2021 09: 53
    +1
    The pistol is very miniature. However, the lowermost barrel of the smaller caliber is equipped with a triangular spring bayonet.

    The barrels are of the same caliber, differing in length - the lower one is longer.
    1. kalibr
      2 February 2021 10: 10
      +1
      There. Where it came from, the calibers were indicated. But ... in inches and with fractions ... and I don't like to translate ... So, the lower one is smaller!
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 2 February 2021 10: 49
        0
        The will of the author. It remains for us to obey
  12. Undecim
    Undecim 2 February 2021 11: 28
    +5
    And how many kilometers of intestines are perforated with bayonets and wound on bayonets, probably, it would be quite enough to cover the distance from the Earth to the Moon and back.
    Hyperboles should be used with caution in technical articles.
    The distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384 400 km. The maximum length of the intestine, including the throat, esophagus and sphincter, is 10 m.
    384 400 x 1000: 10 x 2 = 76 million 880 thousand people. It is unlikely that so many people were pierced with bayonets.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 2 February 2021 16: 04
      +4
      "It is unlikely that so many people were pierced with bayonets" Vic. Nick, don't be boring. Q. Oh, just for the "catch phrase" said, and you cling
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 16: 41
        +2
        Vic. Nick, don't be boring.

        Svyatoslav, he does not cling, he defends his well-deserved title! wink drinks they don't give a "people's commentator" just like that, and dear Viktor Nikolaevich, in my memory, hasn't changed at all for five years. good
        1. Fat
          Fat 2 February 2021 23: 24
          +2
          Nikolai! ... Bro? Who are you protecting? He smacks us all so differently. We will compare British and other inches until the end of days. wassat
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 09: 19
            +1
            He smacks us all so differently. We will compare British and other inches until the end of days.

            He keeps us in good shape! laughing So that they do not relax, and that the volume of our knowledge only increases! good
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 2 February 2021 18: 14
        +2
        and you cling
        A sense of humor is a psychological feature of a person, which consists in noting contradictions in the world around them and evaluating them from a comic point of view.
        A person devoid of a sense of humor is deprived of much more than just a sense of humor (Mark Twain).
        1. Fat
          Fat 2 February 2021 23: 57
          +2
          Well ... I told you ... And Vic. Nick. I didn't even jerk my cheek ... As it should be! Monster!
  13. Undecim
    Undecim 2 February 2021 11: 50
    +3
    When pistols were wheeled and expensive, there were no bayonets
    However, there were knives.

    There were daggers.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 11: 55
      +2
      However, there were knives.

      Victor Nikolaevich, what is the length of the upper product? For rent, it's the size of a machete or a falchion. fellow Cleaver? It is clearly difficult to prick like this.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 2 February 2021 11: 59
        +1
        This is a hunting knife. The length of the blade, based on proportions, is approximately 300 mm.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 03
          +1
          The length of the blade, based on the proportions, is approximately 300 mm.

          The pistol was then quite small-caliber for those times. what But I think. it is more a work of art than a household item. It's just a shame to use that! crying
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 2 February 2021 12: 04
            +2
            After all, it is intended for a point-blank shot.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 05
              +1
              After all, it is intended for a point-blank shot.

              If a wounded bear tramples on - do you think it will help? laughing
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 2 February 2021 12: 09
                +5
                In those romantic times, even when hunting, people were sometimes feared more than bears.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 19
                  +3
                  In those romantic times, even when hunting, people were sometimes feared more than bears.

                  Oh, yes, indeed. The fact that such a product could afford, apparently, a very rich and noble person, speaks especially for this. lol
                  1. Mihaylov
                    Mihaylov 2 February 2021 12: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    The fact that such a product could afford, apparently, a very rich and noble person, speaks especially for this.

                    All these are mostly expensive "toys" for wealthy people, but due to their high price, such weapons were carefully preserved as a more expensive thing, therefore, a lot of such weapons have been preserved in museum collections and in private collections. which creates the illusion of its wide existence. hi
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 16: 50
                      +5
                      which creates the illusion of its wide existence.

                      Believe it or not, Sergei, the knightly hall of the Hermitage with its ceremonial-weekends was never particularly interesting to me ... But the fact that there is a rusty "zweichender" found in the vicinity in the Kingisepp Museum of Local Lore is, yes, respect! good But who will go to Kingisepp to look at an ugly old piece of iron? request But the real, true military history - this is it! drinks
                      1. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 2 February 2021 16: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        But the real, true military history - this is it!

                        Nikolay completely agrees with you, in museums there are often more ceremonial weapons, which, for obvious reasons, are better preserved and you will not always see the simplest, so to speak, "working" weapon.
                        In the Hermitage, I also love the "Eastern Hall", although there is also mainly ceremonial ceremonial, but still.
                        My dream to go to Graz, to its famous arsenals, may come true sometime after the "era of coronavirus". hi
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 17: 09
                        +4
                        In the Hermitage, I also love the "Eastern Hall", although there is also mainly ceremonial ceremonial, but still.

                        There, nearby in the aisle in March 2018 (now I don’t know) there was still an exhibition of ancient peoples - Goths, Huns, etc. There was even a Scramasax. Also nearby is an exposition of weapons of the ancient Caucasus. Bronze axes and other beauty. The lighting is only dark. hi
                      3. kalibr
                        2 February 2021 18: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Mihaylov
                        My dream is to go to Graz, to its famous arsenals, maybe when and after the "era of coronavirus"

                        Go! But warn me. I will write you a letter of recommendation to their director, Baroness von ... I forgot further. But I have it written. She will allow you to shoot everything, both outside and inside, and in general ... it will be better for you.
                      4. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 2 February 2021 20: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Go! But warn me. I will write you a letter of recommendation to their director, Baroness von ... I forgot further. But I have it written. She will allow you to shoot everything, both outside and inside, and in general ... it will be better for you.

                        Thank you, if this ever happens, I will definitely take a picture of everything.
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 2 February 2021 23: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    in the local history museum of Kingisepp there is a rusty "zweichender" found in the vicinity - yes, it's respect!

                    Is there more detail? At least a Zweigander diagram? Interesting to shiver. At least I was a Chukhan, but I fenced in my youth ...
                  3. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 11: 00
                    +1
                    Is there more detail? At least a Zweigander diagram? Interesting to shiver. At least I was a Chukhan, but I fenced in my youth ...

                    Here he is. yes My photo, and very mediocre, 2017. Filmed through the bars - obliquely. request

                    The signature reads as follows: "Knightly two-handed sword. Livonia. XIV-XVI centuries. Metal, forging".
                  4. Fat
                    Fat 3 February 2021 11: 55
                    +1
                    hi Great! He kept it to himself. Thank you very much.
                  5. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 12: 00
                    +1
                    Great! He kept it to himself. Thank you very much.

                    To your health! drinks More information about the Yama-Kingiseppa fortress - here:
                    https://topwar.ru/119690-krepost-yam-gorod-kingisepp.html
                    By the way, this photo is not in that article.
                  6. Fat
                    Fat 3 February 2021 13: 00
                    +1
                    I read it. There are no words. A very nice excursion and you can take photos very well, even when opportunities are limited. Ceremonial bow for 様 帝
                  7. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 13: 04
                    +2
                    and you photograph very well, even when your options are limited.

                    And I don't like how I photograph ... recourse Thank you heartfelt for the warm word! drinks
                    Ceremonial bow for 様

                    We bow back! yes The monument there is really unique, in some way - in Russia no one else was put on the grave of a lion by Klodt! soldier
                  8. Fat
                    Fat 3 February 2021 14: 31
                    +1
                    Yes, Nikolai. I'm not the type to think good photos are easy. Recording what you see is a worthy art. Who and what would not say otherwise. You have excellent abilities, if not talent. Having a smartphone in hand will never make a person an "operator" ... Mass, lots of nuances. The photographer not only captures the moment, he delivers this "technology" from the soul, giving a frame of his emotions ...

                    Kim Fook. "Napalm Girl"
                  9. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 14: 42
                    +3
                    Kim Fook. "Napalm Girl"

                    The famous photo, terribly poignant in content ...
                    Having a smartphone in your hands will never make a person an "operator" ...

                    It makes him a fashion blogger ... No. and now also Tiktoker ...
                    The photographer not only captures the moment, he delivers this "technology" from the soul, giving a frame of his emotions ...

                    To my liking - yes, I agree with you! hi
                    I found an interesting selection of quotes from photographers:
                    https://photar.ru/57-vdoxnovlyayushhix-citat-ot-masterov-fotografov/
                  10. Fat
                    Fat 3 February 2021 15: 20
                    +1
                    So I am without "It is an illusion that the photographs were taken with a camera ... they are taken with the eye, heart and head" - Henri Cartier-Bresson I know there are familiar master teachers. I even mastered some of the secrets of a "simple desktop scanner" ...
                    I repeat once again: your shots are very, very good. Shoot, you already know that for a kilometer of film (a terabyte of disk?) There are only a dozen quite successful ones ...
                  11. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 15: 46
                    +1
                    I repeat once again: your shots are very, very good. Shoot, you already know that for a kilometer of film (a terabyte of disk?) There are only a dozen quite successful ones ...

                    Filmed a lot. Part of the photo was also published on VO. There is a lot to disassemble ... what
                    Thanks! Honestly - warm! drinks
                  12. Fat
                    Fat 3 February 2021 15: 53
                    +1
                    How can I use the scanner? drinks
                  13. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 16: 03
                    +1
                    How can I use the scanner?

                    Accepted! drinks
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 2 February 2021 15: 31
    +4
    Victor Nikolaevich, it is witty. That was the romance: I saw a man and rather look for a den, perhaps the bear went into the store and it is empty
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 15: 52
      +1
      That was the romance: I saw a man and rather look for a den, perhaps the bear went into the store and it is empty

      Vera, you don't know his story about banana-lemon Vyngapur yet! laughing He has so much to tell ... repeat doesn't want to! request
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 3 February 2021 12: 41
        +2
        Where "purple black man"? I also know Vertinsky
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 3 February 2021 13: 14
          +2
          Where "purple black man"? I also know Vertinsky

          This is a river in the Yamal-Nenets Okrug. The local brown bear became Lilov there - from fright after meeting with Viktor Nikolaevich. laughing Ask him yourself. Not a single animal was hurt! stop
  • vladcub
    vladcub 2 February 2021 16: 57
    +2
    Vic. Nick, I do not see any practical benefit from such a pistol, that you shoot at close range, that you use a knife with a cloth. The only advantage of such a pistol is if you are weak and cannot slaughter a 12 pound hog.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 2 February 2021 18: 18
      +2
      Vic. Nick, I don't see any practical benefit from such a pistol
      This is because you have never been hit by a bullet.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 3 February 2021 07: 58
        +1
        I know about it (I got it as a fraction), do you?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 3 February 2021 08: 23
          +2
          Oh, I got a bullet wound in second grade. From the air.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 3 February 2021 08: 45
            +1
            I had a friend and "caught" a bullet from the air in the right eye. He knows how many operations they did. The eye remains, but sees in sectors. If you imagine the dial then: 2,7,10 see
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 3 February 2021 10: 08
              +1
              They hit me in the finger. We organized a competition: one holds a box of petroleum jelly (remember this one?), The others shoot. And so in a circle. One of the shooters's hand trembled.
            2. vladcub
              vladcub 4 February 2021 07: 24
              +1
              It seems metal with a diameter of a royal penny.?
  • Fat
    Fat 2 February 2021 19: 55
    +2
    Be careful when generalizing. Vic, I would say the same to Nick. This is not black, but "gray" humor.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 2 February 2021 11: 55
    +3
    There were sabers.

    That is, combined firearms appeared before the bayonet was invented. And as soon as a bayonet appeared, a combined weapon with it appeared, which is quite logical.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 11: 57
      +1
      There were sabers.

      Is this an eastern kilich, judging by the widening of the blade at the point?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 2 February 2021 12: 02
        +2
        This is the Hungarian-Polish saber - the European version of the Turkish kilich.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 08
          +2
          This is the Hungarian-Polish saber - the European version of the Turkish kilich.

          Thank you so much for the enlightenment! drinks Did the Polish carabels also come from Turkey?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 2 February 2021 12: 14
            +3
            They appeared, as the Poles say, "under the influence of oriental patterns."
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 25
              +2
              They appeared, as the Poles say, "under the influence of oriental patterns."

              Now, under your personal influence, I rummaged through Wikipedia. It turns out that many types of Polish sabers had closed guards.
              From the same place - the hussar saber. The shape of the hilt and crosshair resembles a carabela, but the difference is the closed handle.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 2 February 2021 12: 32
                +3
                If you are interested in a question, download the book Kwaśniewicz W., Dzieje szabli w Polsce.
                It is also in Russian, called "Polish Sabers", by V. Kwasniewicz.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 12: 33
                  +2
                  It is also in Russian, called "Polish Sabers", by V. Kwasniewicz.

                  Thanks, copied! drinks I'm not a professional expert, I, so to speak, for the general spiritual development! good
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 2 February 2021 17: 07
      +2
      The saber pistol is an interesting thing. The rider will shoot at the opponent and even if he does not kill the horse, he will scare, although you can also scare your own, or make the opponent twitch. In some book I read that the main character had a small pistol hidden behind the lapel of his hat. He used it at a distance of 2-3 meters
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 February 2021 15: 29
    +2
    Quote: Undecim
    However, there were knives

    By the way, in addition to pistols with "underbarrel" bayonets, there were also pistols with knives hidden in the pistol grips ... wink
    1. kalibr
      2 February 2021 15: 39
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      pistols with knives hidden in pistol grips ..

      Shit is always in abundance!
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 2 February 2021 12: 52
    +3
    I look forward to continuing Vyacheslav Olegovich ... hi pleased again with the original article ... every time you post something new.
    1. kalibr
      2 February 2021 13: 11
      +3
      There are 12 more original articles ahead and the 13th is being written. So ... go to VO!
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 2 February 2021 15: 26
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I try not to miss anyway. But just in case, where will the next article be: in "History" or "Armament"?
        1. kalibr
          2 February 2021 15: 36
          +3
          I'm not posting articles on VO - administration. There is both history and weapons ...
      2. Fat
        Fat 2 February 2021 20: 13
        +5
        Should I assume the 14th has already been written and is waiting for illustrations? Totally agree"! 13 is such a number, when it is high time to make long-term purchases, it has been tested by practice. laughing
        Thank you very much, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you know why. Good things "hawaiu" in obscene quantities, and your product makes you think a lot. That's wonderful good
        1. kalibr
          2 February 2021 20: 15
          +3
          Yes, you are right, that's right! But it will be tomorrow.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 2 February 2021 15: 21
    +4
    "Flintlock pocket pistols seven inches long." Good afternoon, colleagues. Now I figured out what pockets should be in order to carry such pistols. The depth of the pocket should be - 20 cm. The length of the pistol is about 18 cm (I'm too lazy to count for sure) and if the depth is 18 cm there is a risk that the pistol will fall out of the pocket. Then the gentleman will be sad. 1) such pistols themselves were expensive, and losing an expensive thing is always sad.
    2) you want to part with your money, and often your life, even less ..
    Considering that the process of loading the pistol is about 2 minutes. Perhaps I am mistaken: I have never loaded a similar pistol and never seen it in reality. If I were Sir Mortimer (conditionally) I would buy 2 pairs of pistols: 2 trouser pockets. Vyacheslav Olegovich, I don't know how the jeltmen dressed at that time, perhaps without pockets at all. And 2 pistols in the carriage.
    1. kalibr
      2 February 2021 15: 39
      +2
      Pockets or both trousers and coat, the latter being deep. It could fit there. It is unlikely that in a trouser pocket, trousers were then worn very narrow. But here's the camisole ... the pockets were patch or welt, later, but also deep!
    2. Fat
      Fat 2 February 2021 20: 22
      +3
      Vera. hi "With an opportunity". Read "People and Weapons" by V.O. Shpakovsky. I was very impressed. I thought I would spend a few days, but "grabbed" at 12 o'clock. Where to find? Please contact the author. I got the text by accident.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 3 February 2021 12: 59
        +1
        I read it. Probably three days. The description of the Indians and their customs is good, but the author contradicted himself :: Bakhmetyev shot the charges at Lefosha and threw them. And then he tells the Indian boy that he saw Lefoshe with him. This stupidity negates a lot
        1. Fat
          Fat 3 February 2021 13: 37
          0
          hi Faith, honestly. I did not notice the moment you marked. And this is not a "fatal" blunder, even if it was. Women tend to celebrate these things. This is a feature of perception due to the more powerful connection between the cerebral hemispheres in women. (Just don't fall for the heresy of "gender discrimination"). Losing in hunting disciplines, women gain in the ability to observe and communicate, the field of perception is wider. A feature enshrined in the evolution of the species request love
  • izGOI
    izGOI 3 February 2021 00: 50
    +2
    But acting on the contrary, that is, the barrel to the knife received the LDC (scout shooting knife)
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 3 February 2021 13: 01
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      I read about them, but did not shoot. But from PSM, PM and AK she shot
  • riwas
    riwas 3 February 2021 06: 32
    +2
    Here's a dagger with a pistol