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"We chose a reliable supplier in the person of the MiG-29M": Western press about the dissatisfaction with Egypt with F-16 fighters

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Western analysts were surprised by the Egyptian order for Russian MiG-29M fighters, since the American F-16 attack aircraft have long been the backbone of the country's air force. However, the Falcon's operating conditions reveal the reasons that prompted Cairo to make a sharp turn towards Russian technology.


Double standards for the F-16


Egypt curtailed close cooperation with the USSR in the mid-1970s, relying on technology of Western origin. However, as noted in the pages of Military Watch, Cairo was seen as a "second-class ally." In this regard, it was limited to access to such advanced machines as the F-15 Eagle and F-14 Tomcat and prohibited the sale of modern ammunition for the F-16, such as the AIM-120 air-to-air missiles.

By the late 1990s, Egyptian aviation could use outdated means of fighting air targets, significantly inferior to its neighbors with high-class weapons, such as Israel

- write in the press.

The overthrow of the pro-Western Muslim Brotherhood government in 2013 exacerbated the problem: Washington announced its readiness to freeze the supply of spare parts for Egypt's military equipment. If this scenario were realized, the Egyptian air fleet would be pinned to the ground, as has already happened with Indonesia and Pakistan.



Choosing a reliable supplier


In the face of dissatisfaction with the F-16, the choice was eventually made in favor of Russia [in 2015, a contract was signed for the supply of 52 MiG-29M / M2]. The MiG-29 for Egypt is produced from scratch, being the oldest aircraft produced by the Russian military-industrial complex. At the same time, when creating it, composite materials are widely used, it has a larger fuel supply, more powerful engines and a modern set of equipment and electronic warfare systems.

Thanks to the R-77 and X-38 missiles included in its arsenal and the T-220 target designation suspended container, represented by the MiG-29M, the Egyptian Air Force received a major modernization of the aircraft fleet compared to the [old fleet] F-16C, given the circumstances of the operation of American aircraft, ”the publication explains.

Long-range air-to-air missiles R-27ER [a variant with an extended-range semi-active RGS] and R-77 provided Egypt's modern combat potential for the first time in recent decades. This was vital to maintain parity with neighboring states.

- indicated in Military Watch.

At the same time, it is believed that the acquisition of the MiG-29M opened up prospects for the purchase of advanced Russian fighters - primarily the "medium MiG-35 fighter of the 4 ++ generation". Moreover, both aircraft use the same type of infrastructure required for maintenance.

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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 January 2021 08: 16
    +7
    Russian means the BEST! yes
    1. dauria
      dauria 23 January 2021 08: 24
      +16
      Russian means the BEST!

      Until the next change of government in Egypt. laughing No, and there was no "fair" competition. Vaughn Gripen is Swedish, and then they press to the fullest.
      Only now the plant in Lukhovitsy is being transferred to the assembly of the Il-114. On the MiG-29 (like the 35th), no one has any hopes left. They do not need them, but for the hillock - crumbs.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 23 January 2021 08: 58
        +3
        Quote: dauria
        On the MiG-29 (like the 35th), no one has any hopes left. They do not need them, but for the hillock - crumbs.

        And as I understand the old ones in storage are full - the Indians have signed a contract for the supply of 21 MiG-29s, but they will simply be put into operation. So everything is reasonable, with IL-114 hi
      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 23 January 2021 10: 50
        +1
        And who told you that MIG35 is not needed by your own? Who knows how the conjuncture will turn out? They will buy a hundred, this is enough to support the plant, maintain development, this is a mobilization reserve.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 27 January 2021 15: 19
          +1
          if you look at the behavior of the authorities, in fact, and su-57 is not needed.
          the homeopathic squadron cannot change anything.
      3. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 23 January 2021 11: 13
        +9
        Quote: dauria
        Russian means the BEST!

        Until the next change of government in Egypt. laughing No, and there was no "fair" competition. Vaughn Gripen is Swedish, and then they press to the fullest.
        Only now the plant in Lukhovitsy is being transferred to the assembly of the Il-114. On the MiG-29 (like the 35th), no one has any hopes left. They do not need them, but for the hillock - crumbs.

        How is it not necessary for its own? The first MiG-35 have already been delivered to the troops. MiG-35 passes state. tests. Don't let your fantasies run wild.
      4. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 23 January 2021 11: 34
        0
        At storage bases, these crumbs will be enough for half the world. Several problems are solved in one fell swoop.
      5. Ruslan Sledkov
        Ruslan Sledkov 24 January 2021 10: 30
        0
        In the USSR there was also a Dynamo plant, which produced much more MiG29s (more than 300 per year) than in Lukhovitsy. We must revive that production.
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 23 January 2021 09: 31
      +8
      scribe, if pin_dos do not sell rockets for their planes, then why did the Egyptians buy these f16 at all, frighten the Jews from the sky?
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 23 January 2021 10: 23
        +1
        Quote: Bar1
        , if pin_dos do not sell rockets for their planes, then why did the Egyptians buy these f16 at all, frighten the Jews from the sky?

        Well, like bae, they just made peace with the Jews and they were not ordered to frighten them. Accordingly, therefore, they did not sell too good rockets.
        And they bought it because they had to show their respect to the new "elder brother" in this way.
      2. Professor
        Professor 23 January 2021 10: 56
        -19%
        Quote: Bar1
        scribe, if pin_dos do not sell rockets for their planes, then why did the Egyptians buy these f16 at all, frighten the Jews from the sky?

        It's simple. Egypt got these planes is free in the framework of US military assistance to Egypt and Israel. Moreover, in accordance with the agreement on aid, all the items supplied to Israel can be supplied to Egypt if the latter wishes.
        Israel did not buy many American missiles, but created its own. And here Egypt flew by. He flew by and bought ancient Soviet MiGs and no less ancient missiles for them.
        IMHO not sickly rollback here took place.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 23 January 2021 11: 07
          -3
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Bar1
          scribe, if pin_dos do not sell rockets for their planes, then why did the Egyptians buy these f16 at all, frighten the Jews from the sky?

          It's simple. Egypt got these planes is free in the framework of US military assistance to Egypt and Israel. Moreover, in accordance with the agreement on aid, all the items supplied to Israel can be supplied to Egypt if the latter wishes.
          Israel did not buy many American missiles, but created its own. And here Egypt flew by. He flew by and bought ancient Soviet MiGs and no less ancient missiles for them.
          IMHO not sickly rollback here took place.


          Americans cannot be fooled, the mousetrap is free, but the cheese will have to be bought: the states decided to make money on spare parts.
          And you can buy new ones and missiles too.Our management just to sell everything, even pin_dos, despite the fact that the United States is a corrupt state does not sell its newest f22 planes, and ours have not yet made su57, but they only dream of sell, sell, sell.
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 January 2021 11: 11
            -13%
            Quote: Bar1
            states decided to make money on spare parts.

            And the RF are altruists or suckers giving spare parts?

            By the way, the quality and, accordingly, the service life of bourgeois aircraft is such that fewer and fewer spare parts are needed. The Persians have American aircraft without spare parts for 40 years in service.

            Quote: Bar1
            And you can buy new ones and missiles too. Our management only sells everything, even pin_dos, in spite of the fact that the USA, this corrupt state, does not sell its newest f22 planes, and ours have not yet made su57, but they only dream of give birth, sell, sell.

            "New" MiGs are the same Soviet only tuning ones. The rockets are even sadder.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 23 January 2021 11: 18
              +5
              Quote: Professor
              The Persians have American aircraft without spare parts for 40 years in service.


              it means they don't fly on their tomkets, they don't know how to do the engine, so these airplanes just stand on the ground.

              As for the Mig35 and new weapons, they say that all this is of very good quality. R-77M-PD is a good rocket.
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 January 2021 11: 32
                -8
                Quote: Bar1
                it means they don't fly on their tomkets, they don't know how to do the engine, so these airplanes just stand on the ground.

                They fly and still fly.
                https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/how-iran-tries-to-keep-its-f-14s-flying/

                But what is happening with the newer MiG-29 in the countries of Eastern Europe, everyone knows.

                Quote: Bar1
                As for the Mig35 and new weapons, they say that all this is of very good quality. R-77M-PD is a good rocket.

                "good quality" is a relative thing. Now it is worse than it was under the USSR. Remember the story of the planes for Algeria?

                https://www.vedomosti.ru/library/news/2008/07/15/alzhir-vernul-rossii-vse-postavlennye-ranee-istrebiteli-mig-29smt
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 23 January 2021 12: 21
                  +4
                  Quote: Professor
                  But what is happening with the newer MiG-29 in the countries of Eastern Europe, everyone knows.


                  there was recently a disassembly of a scandal arranged by India about a low resource for a moment, and so it turned out that the resource of RD33 and the same F100 / 110 are COMPARABLE, so it's not worth throwing tantrums about the flashes, the experts know what it costs.

                  about Algeria, what can I say? There are unscrupulous sellers in our country, too, they tried to sell old goods. First, they showed Algeria a new sample, and shoved the old wholesale.
                  All these trade relationships, when deceived, only cause disgust.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 23 January 2021 12: 25
                    -8
                    Quote: Bar1
                    there was recently a disassembly of a scandal arranged by India about a low resource for a moment, and so it turned out that the resource of RD33 and the same F100 / 110 are COMPARABLE, so it's not worth throwing tantrums about the flashes, the experts know what it costs.

                    Let us, as non-specialists, see how many MiGs remained in service with the Warsaw Pact countries.

                    Quote: Bar1
                    about Algeria, what can I say? There are unscrupulous sellers in our country, too, they tried to sell old goods. First, they showed Algeria a new sample, and shoved the old wholesale.
                    All these trade relationships, when deceived, only cause disgust.

                    Algeria is just one example. India is another example. This does not happen with the F-16.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 23 January 2021 12: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      Let us, as non-specialists, see how many MiGs remained in service with the Warsaw Pact countries.


                      30 years later, do you want planes to fly forever? However, the Tu-95 can fly forever, only change parts.

                      Do not interfere with all of you: Algeria and India, there are different problems. That these Indians / barats made a scandal out of the blue is not clear at all.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 23 January 2021 12: 47
                        -5
                        Quote: Bar1
                        30 years later, do you want planes to fly forever? However, the Tu-95 can fly forever, only change parts.

                        The Iranians are still in the ranks.

                        Quote: Bar1
                        Do not interfere with all of you: Algeria and India, there are different problems. That these Indians / barats made a scandal out of the blue is not clear at all.

                        The problems are the same. Non-compliance of the equipment with the declared performance characteristics.
                      2. Bar1
                        Bar1 23 January 2021 13: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: Professor
                        The problems are the same. Non-compliance of the equipment with the declared performance characteristics.


                        I wanted to argue with you, but with THIS Russian leadership, everything may have sunk to the point of deception.
                        But do not think that the problem is only Russian weapons, they lie and are misleading everywhere in the world - this is a sign of the times - the decay of morals.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 23 January 2021 13: 24
                        -5
                        Quote: Bar1
                        But do not think that the problem is only Russian weapons, they lie and are misleading everywhere in the world - this is a sign of the times - the decay of morals.

                        Spiritual bourgeois are afraid of being condemned. Yours are not afraid of anything. That's the whole difference.
                      4. Bar1
                        Bar1 23 January 2021 13: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: Bar1
                        But do not think that the problem is only Russian weapons, they lie and are misleading everywhere in the world - this is a sign of the times - the decay of morals.

                        Spiritual bourgeois are afraid of being condemned. Yours are not afraid of anything. That's the whole difference.


                        everything is not easy there. For India, Rafali was offered 100 miles each, and now France has outplayed up to 130 million. Is this called "legally"? This is called by concept.
                        -It will be 130, do you understand?
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 23 January 2021 13: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: Bar1
                        everything is not easy there. For India, Rafali was offered 100 miles each, and now France has outplayed up to 130 million. Is this called "legally"? This is called by concept.
                        -It will be 130, do you understand?

                        There is no other way with the Indians. Their requirements are growing by leaps and bounds after the signing of the contract. Accordingly, the price rises. However, the parties can resolve all problems in court. If they want to.
                      6. Aerodrome
                        Aerodrome 23 January 2021 14: 55
                        0
                        The MiG-29 for Egypt is produced from scratch, being the oldest aircraft produced by the Russian military-industrial complex. At the same time, when creating it, composite materials are widely used, it has a larger fuel supply, more powerful engines and a modern set of equipment and electronic warfare systems.
                        uh. Is the author aware that the radius and fuel load are basically the same? F-conformal tanks, MiG - PTB
                    2. Alex777
                      Alex777 23 January 2021 16: 30
                      +1
                      Let us remind you that earlier in India it was reported about such a contract amount for the purchase of 36 Rafal fighters, in which one plane costs the Indian budget 218 million euros. This is today, for example, about three times more expensive than the American 5th generation F-35 fighter. This is an excessively high price, as they say in India itself.

                      https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/05/25/639235.html
                    3. Bar1
                      Bar1 23 January 2021 17: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex777
                      https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/05/25/639235.html


                      this is no longer a price, but an indemnity, some kind of robbery, what is it that the Indians have done before France?
                    4. Alex777
                      Alex777 23 January 2021 17: 38
                      +1
                      They told the French that they like Rafal. wink
                      They actually wanted to buy Mirages. But while they were going - they were removed from production. Rafale was offered in return. Armament and training are kind of included in the price.
                      The Indians are armed with our and French planes (Mirages). They have 2 logistics logistics (from warehouses and ammunition nomenclature, to spare parts and integration of electronic equipment).
                      Getting a 3rd for Americans is crazy.
                      But the Indians are considering this topic.
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 24 January 2021 01: 34
            +1
            The Iranians are still in the ranks.


            Well, why are you praising American planes here? Iran has established the repair of the F-14 on its own and with its own spare parts. There are no unbreakable American planes, and they break and fall as often as all the others.

            Moreover, Iran has much more Soviet aircraft in a combat-ready state than American ones.

            And the Russian R-77 missile is an analogue of the American AIM-120, which the United States did not deliver to Egypt on purpose in order to maintain Israel's advantage in the air.
          3. d1975
            d1975 24 January 2021 16: 01
            -1
            Professor, you staged a championship to collect minuses? Why didn't the MiGs please you? Forgot how 25 flew over your capital? Well, you must have respect for the enemy!
          4. Professor
            Professor 24 January 2021 17: 21
            +1
            Quote: d1975
            Forgot how 25 flew over your capital?

            How can you forget something that was not there?
            In general, I like the MiG. Especially the 21st.
          5. indy424
            indy424 24 January 2021 20: 18
            -1
            how do you love these fairy tales, go crazy. that is, the plane was very good of course. but they (and even he) did not fly over the capital. By the way, the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, whether you like it or not, but of course you've heard about Tel Aviv. but that's okay. By the way, can you tell me the name of the famous pilot who received the GSS for this very flight? just wondering. and, if you already love sagas, then remember how, a few years later, the Israelis in Lebanon landed this very moment
  2. vavilon
    vavilon 27 January 2021 11: 15
    0
    This is now called not deception but business
  • krillon
    krillon 23 January 2021 20: 20
    0
    You have lost the Air Force during exercises. Are the planes the wrong ones or the wrong personnel? Please comment on the quality of one and the other.
  • Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 24 January 2021 10: 36
    -1
    Better platforms than MIG29 and F15 have not yet been invented. So, the decision to base MIG35 on the MIG29 platform is correct. Otherwise, it would not have been run in by the troops now (6 units in experimental military operation), but simply closed this topic.
    1. Yuriy Filatov
      Yuriy Filatov 25 January 2021 15: 40
      0
      Come on?! The same SU-30 tears up moments like a tuzik toast both in long-range aerial combat and in close combat. It is generally not clear why the hell does Russia need a MiG-29/35, if it is similar in cost to the SU-30, but in all other respects it is inferior to it? Especially after the ability to land on the ground was taken away from him
  • Yuriy Filatov
    Yuriy Filatov 25 January 2021 15: 38
    0
    And they need to be preserved ?!
    The USA does not sell the F-22 for one simple reason - the greatest fail will be revealed, the second cut of the budget after the F-35 program
  • Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 23 January 2021 11: 10
    +4
    The F-16 is no less ancient than the MiG-29. Egypt bought 52 Mig-29M / Mig-29M2 of a new construction under a 2015 contract. These are new aircraft, not modernized old ones.

    .In the conditions of dissatisfaction with the F-16, in the end, a choice was made in favor of Russia [in 2015, a contract was signed for the supply of 52 MiG-29M / M2]. The MiG-29 for Egypt is produced from scratch, being the oldest aircraft produced by the Russian military-industrial complex. At the same time, when creating it, composite materials are widely used, it has a larger fuel supply, more powerful engines and a modern set of equipment and electronic warfare systems.

    Thanks to the R-77 and X-38 missiles included in its arsenal and the T-220 target designation overhead container, represented by the MiG-29M, "the Egyptian Air Force received a major upgrade of its fleet compared to the [old fleet] of the F-16C, given the circumstances of the operation of American aircraft." , explained in the publication.
    1. Professor
      Professor 23 January 2021 11: 15
      -8
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      The F-16 is no less ancient than the MiG-29. Egypt bought 52 Mig-29M / Mig-29M2 of a new construction under a 2015 contract. These are new aircraft, not modernized old ones.

      Those F-16s that have been in service with Egypt for decades are already as ancient as the "new" MiG-29s.
      In general, the news is good for us. The combat potential of our neighbor with whom we fought the most fierce battle is falling. Today we have peace and judging by their Air Force the world will be for a long time.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 23 January 2021 11: 34
        -1
        ... The combat potential of our neighbor with whom we fought the most fierce battle is falling.

        This is called falling? I think it is growing.
        The long-range air-to-air missiles R-27ER [a variant with an extended-range semi-active RGS] and R-77 provided Egypt's modern combat potential for the first time in recent decades. This was vital to maintain parity with neighboring states.

        - indicated in Military Watch.
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 January 2021 11: 47
          -3
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          This is called falling? I think it is growing.

          The main thing is that the Egyptians think so. The Hindus thought so too.
          http://nevskii-bastion.ru/derby-ur-israel/
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 23 January 2021 11: 50
            +1
            What have you thought, did not think? This option is better than the ground-bound ones due to the lack of spare parts for the F-16 with old missiles.
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 January 2021 12: 00
              -2
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              What have you thought, did not think? This option is better than the ground-bound ones due to the lack of spare parts for the F-16 with old missiles.

              Stop, stop, stop. Who told you that Egyptian F-16s are pinned to the ground for lack of spare parts?

              Why did you decide that the "old" Egyptian missiles are worse than the "new" Soviet ones?

              Quote: Fil743
              it will be for a long time if the Muslim brothers do not return or your leadership is smart enough not to brazenly pull out with their F-35s.

              Israel helps Egyptian armed forces to fight terrorists in the Sinai, including with the help of the Israeli Air Force
              Israel put pressure on the American administration so that it did not stop military assistance to Egypt.
              Egypt is armed with obsolete aircraft with obsolete missiles. This is the guarantee of peace between us.
              1. Orange bigg
                Orange bigg 23 January 2021 12: 10
                -1
                ... Stop, stop, stop. Who told you that the Egyptian F-16s are pinned to the ground for lack of spare parts?


                Potentially, they can be chained if the United States does not want to follow the lead, therefore, the Egyptians do not risk waiting for this moment.
                ... The overthrow of the pro-Western Muslim Brotherhood government in 2013 exacerbated the problem: Washington announced its readiness to freeze the supply of spare parts for Egyptian military equipment. If this scenario were realized, the Egyptian air fleet would be pinned to the ground, as has already happened with Indonesia and Pakistan.


                Why did you decide that the "old" Egyptian missiles are worse than the "new" Soviet missiles?


                These are Russian missiles, since they are made in our country, and not Soviet missiles taken from Soviet stocks. And it was not me who decided, but so decided in the article.
                .As noted in the pages of Military Watch, Cairo was viewed as a "second-class ally." In this regard, it was limited to access to such advanced machines as the F-15 Eagle and F-14 Tomcat and prohibited the sale of modern ammunition for the F-16, such as air-to-air missiles AIM-120.

                By the end of the 1990s, Egyptian aviation could use outdated means of fighting air targets, significantly inferior to its neighbors with high-end weapons, such as Israel.

                - write in the press.


                Another quote.
                ... Long-range air-to-air missiles R-27ER [a variant with an extended-range semi-active RGS] and R-77 provided Egypt's modern combat potential for the first time in recent decades. This was vital to maintain parity with neighboring states.

                - indicated in Military Watch.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 23 January 2021 12: 17
                  -1
                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  Potentially, they can be chained if the United States does not want to follow the lead, therefore, the Egyptians do not risk waiting for this moment.

                  Potentially? Duc potentially any aircraft may be without spare parts. However, the Egyptian F-16s are in service and fly.

                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  These are Russian missiles, since they are made in our country, and not Soviet missiles taken from Soviet stocks. And it was not me who decided, but so decided in the article.

                  That is, if the Russian Federation now releases the T-34, then this tank will cease to be Soviet and will become Russian?

                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  Another quote.

                  Quote on the author's inaccuracies. Ancient Soviet missiles are not modern. They will not provide parity with any F-35, F-16 or F-15 armed with Derby IaR and Python-5.
                2. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 23 January 2021 12: 27
                  0
                  ... Potentially? So, potentially any aircraft may be without spare parts. However, the Egyptian F-16s are in service and fly.

                  There are clear examples of the fate of the F-16 rebellious Indonesia and Pakistan. Egypt is not so stupid as to take risks, but Egypt is in fact ready to abandon the F-16 by purchasing 52 MiG-29M / MiG-29M2 missiles to replace them.
                  ... That is, if the Russian Federation now releases the T-34, then this tank will cease to be Soviet and will become Russian?

                  Sorry, but the new version with the increased range of the R-27ER and the new R-77-1 missiles are Russian missiles, not Soviet ones. And in general, the USSR is Russia, only in a broader format. Then what are the problems, what are you trying to prove to me?
                  The T-34 was created by our ancestors at our factories during the war. And our people fought on it. The difference between Soviet and Russian is only in time and name. The same USSR is a continuation of the Russian Empire.

                  ... Ancient Soviet missiles are not modern. They will not provide parity with any F-35, F-16 or F-15 armed with Derby IaR and Python-5.

                  Believe further.
                  ... The R-27RE missile is a modification of the R-27R missile with a dramatically increased launch range (130 km instead of 80 km). It differs from the basic version in its larger size and greater weight. The semi-active radar homing head installed on it provides destruction of targets in simple and difficult meteorological conditions in the presence of natural and organized interference.

                  TTX rocket R-27RE:
                  Missile Length, mm: 4780
                  Wingspan, mm: 800
                  Rocket weight, kg: 350
                  The mass of the warhead, kg: 39
                  Warhead type: core
                  Launch range, km: 130
                  Speed, M: 4,5
                  Guidance system: inertial with radio correction + semi-active radar
                  Carriers: Su-27, Su-33, Su-35, MiG-29, Yak-141.

                  http://авиару.рф/aviamuseum/dvigateli-i-vooruzhenie/aviatsionnoe-vooruzhenie/sssr/aviatsionnye-rakety/upravlyaemye-rakety/ur-vozduh-vozduh/upravlyaemaya-raketa-srednej-dalnosti-r-27-k-27/
                3. Professor
                  Professor 23 January 2021 12: 42
                  -2
                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  There are clear examples of the fate of the F-16 rebellious Indonesia and Pakistan. Egypt is not so stupid as to take risks, but Egypt is in fact ready to abandon the F-16 by purchasing 52 MiG-29M / MiG-29M2 missiles to replace them.

                  He is not ready to give up any F-16. There was no such message from the Egyptian Air Force.

                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  Sorry, but the new version with the increased range of the R-27ER and the new R-77-1 missiles are Russian missiles, not Soviet

                  That is, the T-35 with a new radio station and satellite navigator will become a Russian tank?

                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  And in general, the USSR is Russia, only in a broader format. Then what are the problems, what are you trying to prove to me?

                  FR is never the USSR. The USSR has 15 (fifteen) legal successors.

                  The missiles and aircraft are not new, but old Soviet ones.

                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  The T-34 was created by our ancestors at our factories during the war. And our people fought on it. The difference between Soviet and Russian is only in time and name. The same USSR is a continuation of the Russian Empire.

                  The USSR is not a continuation of the Russian Empire. Please do not fantasize in public.

                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  Believe further.

                  In God we trust. All others must bring data. " Edwards deming
                  So the date is not in your favor.
                4. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 23 January 2021 12: 49
                  0
                  In yours or what?
                5. Ugochaves
                  Ugochaves 23 January 2021 14: 28
                  +3
                  Do not argue with the "proKhvesor", he has everything that is Russian - then everything is d ... oh, as they say - even with ... s in the eye ...
                6. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 23 January 2021 14: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: UgoChaves
                  Do not argue with the "proKhvesor", he has everything that is Russian - then everything is d ... oh, as they say - even with ... s in the eye ...

                  It is necessary to show all the insanity of the statements of this object, so that everyone knows who they are dealing with.
                7. Alex777
                  Alex777 23 January 2021 16: 35
                  0
                  From what he writes, everything is immediately clear.
                  But thanks to you, he picked up the minuses. bully
            2. Professor
              Professor 23 January 2021 14: 50
              0
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              In yours or what?

              Uh-huh. wink
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        2. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 23 January 2021 14: 04
          +2
          The USSR has only one assignee. The remaining 14 did not inherit rights in any way.
        3. Professor
          Professor 23 January 2021 14: 50
          +2
          Quote: Roma-1977
          The USSR has only one assignee. The remaining 14 did not inherit rights in any way.

          Exactly. The rights to water in Issyk-Kul belong not to Kyrgyzstan, but to the Russian Federation. The rights to the airspace of Uzbekistan belong to the Russian Federation. The rights to the water area of ​​Klaipeda belong to the Russian Federation. How is it, after all earlier all this belonged to the USSR?
        4. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 23 January 2021 15: 07
          0
          Hard to say. It's like with South Ossetia. Some people still believe that the rights to it belong to Georgia. Well, or Crimea - Ukraine. But in fact - the opposite.
        5. Professor
          Professor 23 January 2021 15: 19
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          Quote: Roma-1977
          Hard to say. It's like with South Ossetia. Some people still believe that the rights to it belong to Georgia. Well, or Crimea - Ukraine. But in fact - the opposite.

          The rights of course belong to the countries you mentioned, but temporarily they are not able to use their rights.
        6. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 23 January 2021 15: 21
          0
          Hmm. But how, then, to consider the West Bank of the Jordan River, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights? Or: "This is different (s)"?
        7. Professor
          Professor 23 January 2021 15: 27
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          Quote: Roma-1977
          Hmm. But how, then, to consider the West Bank of the Jordan River, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights? Or: "This is different (s)"?

          No, not another. The Golan Heights (or whatever they say there in Arabic) is the territory of Israel recognized as such by a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
          The Gaza Strip is nobody's territory with not a single Israeli soldier.
          Judea and Samaria (or whatever they are in Arabic) is a disputed territory that does not belong to any state.
        8. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 23 January 2021 15: 32
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          Hmm. RF is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. The Russian Federation also recognizes its territory as its own, no man's - no man's, and the Golan Heights - Syrian territory ...
        9. Professor
          Professor 23 January 2021 15: 37
          -1
          Quote: Roma-1977
          Hmm. RF is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. The Russian Federation also recognizes its territory as its own, no man's - no man's, and the Golan Heights - Syrian territory ...

          Admit it does not roll. Self-benefit however.
          About the Syrian, too, not very. What is taken holy in battle.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 23 January 2021 16: 34
    0
    Feed the troll. He is not in the subject at all, but he has an opinion. hi
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 23 January 2021 17: 17
    -3
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    What have you thought, did not think? This option is better than the ground-bound ones due to the lack of spare parts for the F-16 with old missiles.

    Stop, stop, stop. Who told you that Egyptian F-16s are pinned to the ground for lack of spare parts?

    Why did you decide that the "old" Egyptian missiles are worse than the "new" Soviet ones?

    Quote: Fil743
    it will be for a long time if the Muslim brothers do not return or your leadership is smart enough not to brazenly pull out with their F-35s.

    Israel helps Egyptian armed forces to fight terrorists in the Sinai, including with the help of the Israeli Air Force
    Israel put pressure on the American administration so that it did not stop military assistance to Egypt.
    Egypt is armed with obsolete aircraft with obsolete missiles. This is the guarantee of peace between us.

    Because of this "guarantee", you are lying like Goebbels, otherwise God forbid the Egyptians will be able to answer your "help". hi
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 23 January 2021 11: 52
    -3
    Today we have peace and judging by their Air Force the world will be for a long time.

    it will be for a long time if the Muslim brothers do not return or your leadership is smart enough not to brazenly pull out with their F-35s.
  • tomket
    tomket 23 January 2021 14: 00
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    Quote: Professor
    The combat potential of our neighbor with whom we fought the most fierce battle is falling.

    There, in the appendage, the Su-35 is bought. So it's time for you to lose heart.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 January 2021 11: 35
    0
    Why did Poland buy them or Romania? The Washington Reich Chancellery ordered)))
  • novel66
    novel66 23 January 2021 11: 03
    +1
    will correct - Soviet !!!
  • paul3390
    paul3390 23 January 2021 11: 12
    +3
    Let's not dissemble and call a spade a spade - the best, these are SOVIET .. Or does not you raise your hand to write this word? The MIG-29 is exactly what a Soviet plane ..
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 23 January 2021 11: 36
      +1
      The Mig-29 is Soviet, and the 52 Mig-29M / Mig-29M2 are Russian aircraft, since they were designed and built in Russia, and not in the USSR.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 January 2021 08: 19
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    Somehow I "heard" such a statement that the MiG-35 is a "slightly updated" MiG-29M / M2 .... what True, this to a large extent concerned the aircraft of the first "presenting" to the world market! Recently, the developers have made a lot of new things with the MiG-35 ... if you believe their claims!
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 23 January 2021 08: 42
    +1
    You need to take an advance payment. bully Then they won't jump off .. yes
  • U-58
    U-58 23 January 2021 08: 52
    +8
    India turns up its nose from the MiG-35, and Egypt turns to it.
    That is, it's not about the performance characteristics of the airplane, but the performance characteristics of the brains.
    It is, of course, Egypt is in peace on the brink of war, reconciled (for how long?) With Israel.
    India, on the other hand, is at war on the edge of peace with both Pakistan and China.
    But even the Indians themselves cannot explain India's position on the plane.
    However, the story with Raphael sobered them a little ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 January 2021 09: 09
      +8
      Egypt is friends with Israel.

      They have other challenges:
      in the west a Turkish boot knocks on the door.
      in the south of Ethiopia, the Nile is blocked off.
      everything is bad in the budget, so we live off the floods, which also require certain steps in response.

      However, the story with Raphael sobered them a little ...


      It was not the Raphael story that made them sober, but Macron, who in Cairo gave a fiery speech about the dictatorship and infringement of the rights of Egyptians in his own country. After that, Sisi canceled all new contracts and options for those already concluded, and Macron and the French emissaries are no longer invited to Egypt.

      Consequently, they jumped from France to Italy - like live deals for 4,8-6,2 billion euros, and the total volume of options and agreements for 14 billion. All contracts with France were transferred to Italy. Instead of Airbus Heli, the money went to Leonardo. Instead of FREMM, they bought 2 Italian FREMMs.


      Also in the contract of the first line - a military satellite and 24 M-346.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 23 January 2021 09: 01
    +10
    In this regard, access to such advanced machines as the F-15 Eagle and the F-14 Tomcat was restricted for him and the sale of modern ammunition for the F-16 was prohibited ...

    What's so surprising? Whose weapon you buy, that "in the mouth and look" ...
    Russian weapons are quite up to par, and the country's leadership does not put forward "so many demands and wishes" to importers than the Americans do ..
    So the choice is clear.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 23 January 2021 09: 18
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      So the choice is clear.

      And the Americans themselves pushed them to this choice.
      1. novel66
        novel66 23 January 2021 11: 06
        +1
        well, they cut down the money, but the Egyptians have nothing to fight with. cool business. I envy.
        Hello my friend! hi
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 January 2021 09: 39
    +2
    For vassals who have abandoned statehood in favor of the United States, the United States is a very reliable partner, and if you don't want to be a vassal, show courage. Fortunately, the arms market is now developed, you can always buy what your heart desires from other sellers without changing your policy.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 January 2021 10: 44
    0
    What kind of container T220?
    1. novel66
      novel66 23 January 2021 11: 07
      +2
      he is secret, top secret
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 23 January 2021 12: 58
        0
        RF or some kind of French?
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 23 January 2021 10: 48
    -1
    I don’t understand why not buy the Mig35 right away?
    1. novel66
      novel66 23 January 2021 11: 07
      +1
      and do they already exist?
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 23 January 2021 11: 48
        0
        And yak zhezh, as many as 6 pieces in the troops are.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 23 January 2021 13: 51
    -5
    Quote: in the article
    At the same time, when creating it, composite materials are widely used, it has a larger fuel supply, more powerful engines and a modern set of equipment and electronic warfare systems.

    A mistake, of course.
    MIG-29 cannot have more powerful engines. it is single-engine.
    1. Constanty
      Constanty 23 January 2021 16: 31
      +5
      Since when did the MiG-29 become a single-engine aircraft?

      1. Flooding
        Flooding 23 January 2021 16: 47
        0
        Quote: Constanty
        Since when did the MiG-29 become a single-engine aircraft?

        Thanks for the amendment!
        Never a pilot, but for some reason I was sure that once in a lighter and cheaper segment than drying, then with one engine. Thanks again.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 23 January 2021 17: 56
      +1
      Mig29 single engine?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 23 January 2021 18: 04
        +2
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Mig29 single engine?

        No longer
  • Vitaly Petrov_3
    Vitaly Petrov_3 24 January 2021 00: 03
    -1
    Quote: Bar1
    Quote: Alex777
    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/05/25/639235.html


    this is no longer a price, but an indemnity, some kind of robbery, what is it that the Indians have done before France?

    "You don't need a knife for a fool .."
  • Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 24 January 2021 10: 50
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    The MIG29M has an RD33MK engine, which does not smoke like the RD33 on the MIG29 and is more economical and powerful. That is, the main disadvantage of the MIG29 family has been eliminated on the MIG29M - an uneconomical and low-resource engine, the combustion products of which (soot escaping from the nozzle) unmask it, and are also visible on radars. The payload (weapons) has also been increased. Plus MIG29M retained the relative simplicity of MIG29 and can be produced in fairly large quantities. In general, the Egyptians can be understood.
  • Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 25 January 2021 11: 14
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    In fact, the choice is due only to political reasons. Technically, the F-16 of the latest series is more advanced than the MiG-29.
    "At the same time, composite materials are widely used in its creation, it has a larger fuel supply, more powerful engines and a modern set of equipment and electronic warfare systems."

    Well. this is an exaggeration. plus a comparison of twin and single engine. moreover, the F-16 engine is more powerful than the MiG-29M engine, and even more reliability is even higher (the F-16 engine has a resource equal to the airframe resource and passes through three capitals, the MiG-29 needs to change 6 engines over the entire service life of the machine and carry out 18 kapitalok, it is possible that these indicators have been improved on the MiG-29M, but not dramatically)
    1. Hexenmeister
      Hexenmeister 25 January 2021 11: 38
      +1
      Technically, the F-16 of the latest series is more advanced than the MiG-29.
      Only where this advanced will come from Egypt, if even the AIM-120 was not given for the Egyptians, that is, at best, the ancient options with the AIM-7, and the MiG-29M with the R-77 will be better for Egypt than the ancient F-16 with the AIM-7 ...
  • Yuriy Filatov
    Yuriy Filatov 25 January 2021 15: 48
    +1
    If you compare objectively, the MiG-29 is head and shoulders above the F-16. Oddly enough, his main drawback helps him in this - a two-engine layout, which gives him a large power-to-weight ratio, but increases the cost of operation and the very cost of the aircraft.
    All things being equal, the F-16 simply has no chance. He cannot impose an air attack, he cannot refuse it, because the MiG-29 is stupidly faster than him!
    But how does it happen that in all wars the United States simply humiliated MIGs?
    This is where infrastructure comes into play! Electronic warfare systems, AWACS aircraft, 100 times the numerical superiority in the end! Not a single, even the most sophisticated aircraft will be able to fight alone against the air combat control system. It simply won't be able to detect the enemy in the noise of interference, while "hunters" will be directed at him, who will attack from the maximum distance, from different directions
  • yehat2
    yehat2 27 January 2021 15: 30
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    Quote: Professor
    Moreover, in accordance with the agreement on aid, all the items supplied to Israel can be supplied to Egypt if the latter wishes.
    Israel did not buy many American missiles, but created its own. And here Egypt flew by. He flew by and bought the ancient Soviet MiGs and no less ancient missiles to them

    you are lying so blatantly that you have to write here.
    1. The fact that the entire nomenclature will be supplied to Egypt is a blatant lie. Because Egypt officially stated the opposite. And why should they fuss if everything was as you say?
    2. In what way is the "ancient" moment worse than the much more ancient f-16? Moreover, it is reported that new planes will be made for Egypt.
    3. about ancient rockets. R-77 is really not a new rocket, but it is not used either. There are other modifications of the p77, which are close in characteristics and dimensions to the AIM-120. Therefore, here you are lying.
    Armament is similar to NATO's and no one else has it better. Although now China is starting to make a new super-rocket.
    But the only complaint about the composition of electronic equipment, which is likely to be cut down even for a new moment, you did not say, like the fact that the sighting equipment is in the container, which is not good.
  • Lucy
    Lucy 27 January 2021 16: 02
    0
    Who wrote this, or where did they get it from? This is what turns out to be the reason for the F-16's dissatisfaction with Israel. In the garbage can already fermented.