US Press: Russian Poseidons - Response to American Missile Defense

Russia continues to invest heavily in the development and construction of Doomsday torpedoes, unmanned underwater vehicles capable of destroying the US coastline. According to the author of an article published in the American magazine Forbes, the Poseidons are Russia's insurance in case the US missile defense intercepts all Russian ballistic missiles.

The Kremlin is serious about adopting submarines drones Nuclear-powered Poseidon, equipped with a "huge" "dirty nuclear bomb" warhead capable of destroying coastal American cities and naval bases, the author writes.

Currently, the Russian military is not only building a special new base to house the Poseidons, but are also building four submarine carriers for nuclear drones that will deliver torpedoes to the right place for launch.

It is known that Russia already has two Poseidon carriers - the Belgorod submarine of project 09852 and the Khabarovsk submarine of project 09851. Another carrier is under construction and one will be laid in the near future.

The task of these carriers is to transport six Poseidons in their holds to the launch areas, from where they can safely launch at a time when "nuclear missiles have already destroyed both Russia and the United States."

Given the fact that Russia spends billions of dollars on the construction of Poseidons and their carriers, it can be argued that for this weapon The Kremlin has high hopes.

According to Arms Control Association nuclear weapons expert Kingston Rafe, the Russian doomsday torpedo is a response to a US missile defense system capable of intercepting Russian nuclear-armed intercontinental ballistic missiles.

The author admits that the American missile defense system is not as "good" as it is claimed, and is unable to intercept all ICBMs, but the Kremlin does not want any risks.

The Putin regime may view Poseidons and their carriers as a kind of underwater insurance policy in case America is lucky enough to be able to shoot down ballistic missiles.

- he concludes.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Poseidon is a weapon of retribution!
He is not alone with the American coast to stomp ...
If, God forbid, he is released into battle, then the territory of Russia will already be thoroughly burned out.
In essence, it will be just an act of mercy for the surviving Americans.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Victor_B

Poseidon is a weapon of retribution!

First of all, it is a CONTAINMENT weapon.

It should bring to reason from any thought of aggression.

[Machito]

Poseidon is another Dead Hand. An asymmetric answer for reasonable money.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

This article is American - for a reason. The Americans are clearly going to demand the inclusion of Pseidons with carriers in the SALT treaty.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Olgovich

It should bring to reason from any thought of aggression.

How can you reason the insane ...

[businessv]

Quote: BecmepH

How can you reason the insane ...

Constantly, especially when reading such articles, I catch myself thinking: why the hell do the striped whales want from us ?! Is it true, what do they want to do when they know that nothing shines here in the sense of impunity, or use our resources for free? Why the hell is it constantly talking about Russia, when their own ass is on fire, and in the shit all. Just leave us alone, and we don’t need you for free! Piss me off, moral freaks!

[BecmepH]

Quote: businessv

Quote: BecmepH

How can you reason the insane ...

Constantly, especially when reading such articles, I catch myself thinking: why the hell do the striped whales want from us ?! Is it true, what do they want to do when they know that nothing shines here in the sense of impunity, or use our resources for free? Why the hell is it constantly talking about Russia, when their own ass is on fire, and in the shit all. Just leave us alone, and we don’t need you for free! Piss me off, moral freaks!

They do with us what we ourselves allow. Even the Balts yapped at us, but we are silent. Why?

[businessv]

Quote: BecmepH

Even the Balts yapped at us, but we are silent. Why?

Oh, this is just how easy it is to explain - we just don't react to little things!

[BecmepH]

Quote: businessv

Quote: BecmepH

Even the Balts yapped at us, but we are silent. Why?

Oh, this is just how easy it is to explain - we just don't react to little things!

I disagree with you. This is not a trifle when every trash offends. If we allow such trash, then what do the strong do to us? Anything they want! And why? Because we are afraid all the time of something? Why be afraid then? With us, they have already done everything they wanted and who wanted ... Not so?

[businessv]

Quote: BecmepH

With us, they have already done everything they wanted and who wanted ... Not so?

IMHO, what can we do about the Tribals? Nothing! Absolutely. The same is true for the independent Georgia. These countries use minke whales as an anti-Russia, this is understandable. We could have taken certain actions in 2008, when the insane president of Georgia gave the order to attack our peacekeepers, which gave us a chance to restore order in the Caucasus and restore direct communication with Armenia, seizing Tbilisi, hanging Mishiko by his legs on a crane and helping the people of Georgia. restoring order in the country. I think that in the square, in this case, Potroshenko thought twice whether it was worth finishing in this way and there would be no more flower beds in the post-Soviet space. But we didn’t, so now we just have to watch, listen and express concern. We have only one way to win over our neighbors to our side - to make life for the citizens of Russia better and safer than everywhere, including in Europe! How is another question.

[BecmepH]

Quote: businessv

IMHO, what can we do about the Tribals? Nothing! Absolutely. The same is true for the independent Georgia.

First, stop trading. At least with energy carriers, raw materials, well, etc. They will become sad. But! For the sake of profit, we will endure everything from everyone. Disgusting ...

[businessv]

Quote: BecmepH

For the sake of profit, we will endure everything from everyone. Disgusting ...

Of course I agree! The life and aspirations of our oligarchs are reflected in our lives, despite the fact that our aspirations are directly opposite!

[NDR-791]

in case if America is lucky, and she will be able to shoot down ballistic missiles
Yeah ... God will ... America ... once again? And together with the Poseidons, we also restored the "Perimeter".

[Camel]

He was not removed from duty. Thank God!

[NDR-791]

They did not remove it, but the periphery had to be seriously redone, replacing it in the part that was cut off from the USSR. So he was temporarily "partially able to work." At the same time, modernize.

[Doccor18]

... in case the US missile defense intercepts all Russian ballistic missiles.

Oh well...
The case when from desired to reality is an abyss ...

[Russian2020]

Reptiles are afraid and envy

[Zementbomber]

What and what?

[Maikcg]

That the Russian [cut by the censor] is longer and thicker than the American one. Let the American one enter a little more accurately, but with the mass of the Russian, this drawback is not particularly important.

[businessv]

Quote: Zementbomber

What and what?

This is a truly strange question! If you find the answer to the question "why did Russia have a millennium before the 21st century, in which wars were waged on this or that territory for 700 years?", Then you will understand why and what. Only 300 years without wars, considering that all wars began as defensive ones. Russia has the largest amount of resources. No other country in the world has this, hence the problem.

[Zementbomber]

It is known that Russia already has two Poseidon carriers - the Belgorod submarine of project 09852 and the Khabarovsk submarine of project 09851.

"Belgorod" is not ready and will not enter the combat-ready forces before 2023.

The task of these carriers is to transport six Poseidons.

Here the brilliant author is at odds with arithmetic, even at the level of the 2nd quarter of the 2nd grade.

The Kremlin is serious about adopting nuclear-powered Poseidon underwater drones with a "huge" dirty nuclear bomb warhead.

This is generally a "cheap show-off".
It is impossible to create a 100 Mt warhead "by calculation" without testing.
And that cobalt-60 does not significantly increase the damage by radioactive fallout - it became clear back in the late 1960s.

[nnm]

Basically, they write that the monoblock version of the warhead will have a capacity of up to 2 megatons.

[Zementbomber]

Then another problem arises: the notoriously-advertised "FFSLO will wash away!" - a pair of charges of such power notachievable (actually - this is unattainable even with a 100-Mt charge; but in the second case, there may be at least damage, the prospect of which will be considered unacceptable).

[nnm]

I do not know. You have to be a specialized physicist in order to correctly calculate the consequences. On the Internet, I did not immediately find tests of a comparable charge by an underwater explosion and a target environment. If we take the results of the well-known American explosions, then we can conclude that the "iron", at least, will be very good at radiating radiation. This is for Norfolk and so on. As for the rest of the damaging factors, I do not presume to judge due to the lack of the proper level of knowledge

[Cube123]

Quote: nnm

As for the rest of the damaging factors, I do not presume to judge due to the lack of the proper level of knowledge

"Underwater nuclear explosion"

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%B7%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2

[KCA]

Actually, another test in 1961 of 57Mgt proved the possibility of creating a thermonuclear charge of unlimited power, and you still create 100Mgt charges by testing them, preferably closer to the USA, those who are engaged in creating charges know perfectly well what and how to do. Cobalt-60 with beta radiation and a half-life of 5 years, of course, will make the infection zone unsuitable for life, but not for long, and it makes no sense to bother, the same effect will be given by the induced radiation from the detonation of a neutron bomb, and who interferes with equipping and adjusting the charge so that isotopes with gamma radiation and a half-life of thousands of years are formed?

[Orange bigg]

Belgorod is not ready and will not be part of the combat-ready force before 2023.

Belgorod will enter the Navy in 2021 after the completion of the tests. 2023 is the date of entry into the Khabarovsk Navy.

Here the brilliant author is out of tune with arithmetic, even at the level of the 2nd quarter of the 2nd grade.

This means that each submarine carries 6 Poseidons on board.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Zementbomber

It is impossible to create a 100 Mt warhead "by calculation" without testing.

At 50 MGt (half of "Kuz'kina's mother"), they tested it under Khrushchev (if my memory serves me, the shock wave circled the Earth for the 4th time), there is experience. God forbid, repeat ...

[Ros 56]

Dear, well, where have you seen the true media of the striped ones, don't the events of the last 3 months say anything? Yes, let the air shake, that's their problem.

[aszzz888]

According to the author of an article published in the American magazine Forbes, Poseidons are Russia's insurance in case if the US missile defense intercepts all Russian ballistic missiles.

1. and lastly, the "US missile defense" will be suppressed.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aszzz888

if the US missile defense intercepts all Russian ballistic missiles.

The keyword is IF.
There was no need to continue further

[aszzz888]

Lipchanin (Sergey)
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Quote: aszzz888
if the US missile defense intercepts all Russian ballistic missiles.

The keyword is IF.
There was no need to continue further

Hello, Sergey! Merikatos puffs and pushes as always. Trying to grab everything like a cowboy. But I suppose Russia is not Indians.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aszzz888

... Trying to grab everything like a cowboy.

Hi
So it's in their blood.
See how they twist their arms through sanctions

[Boa kaa]

Quote: aszzz888

But I suppose Russia is not Indians.

So this is a well-known fact!
How is BLOCK doing?

Zillions - you. We - the darkness and darkness and darkness.
Try, fight with us!
Yes, we are Scythians! Yes, Asians - we,
With slanted and greedy eyes!

And we also have "something" (and very significant!) ...
What you do not have and will not be soon!

We love flesh - and its taste, and color,
And the stuffy, mortal flesh smell ...
Guilty if we crack your skeleton
In the heavy, gentle paws?

You know ... we have nothing to lose,
And we are not above treachery!
Century, centuries you will be curse
Sick later offspring!

After all, BLOCK was brilliant !!!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Century, centuries you will be curse
Sick later offspring!

After all, BLOCK was brilliant !!!

Few predicted the future ... Sick late offspring! It is already half sick ... And after (God forbid!) Thermonuclear war ... It will be difficult to name what will survive as a human ...

[U-58]

Everything is correct. Intercepting ICBMs is perhaps easier than Poseidons. In any case, for the nearest historical perspective.
Even if half of the warheads are not intercepted, they are at least visible on radars.
Poseidon, when applied, will jump out like the devil out of a snuffbox.
And let it be when there is already a radioactive desert in the vastness of our country, but Russia, using underwater drones, will show and prove that it is not "former" and is capable of punishing an adversary.
Yet again. If the military-political situation is tense to the limit, the Poseidons can be passed through the world ocianus using civilian ships or disguised as such.
What thread a lighter or container ship is minimally re-equipped in the hold for delivery, aiming and launching of the apparatus.
That will be our answer to Chamberlain.

[Piramidon]

Quote: U-58

Even if half of the warheads are not intercepted, they are at least visible on radars.

In the form of an uncaught fat polar fox.

[bald]

They write as if they were holding a candle - what, where, when and how much.

[cniza]

The Putin regime may view Poseidons and their carriers as a kind of underwater insurance policy in case America is lucky enough to be able to shoot down ballistic missiles.

Torment, guess, do not sleep at night and still you will not understand anything ...

[rocket757]

Hi
They lie to everyone, including themselves.
Well, what kind of "peaceful" guys, they will fight off the attack .... they do not want to admit that they are afraid of RETURN STRIKE !!!

[cniza]

Good time!

I have the impression that they are trying to deceive themselves.

[rocket757]

To deceive everyone in general, to make a profit on that ... this has already become the norm.

[cniza]

Now the next step is the United States itself, will deceive itself.

[rocket757]

They will deceive, trim, clean ... they make a reserve for the future, with views FOREVER !!!

[cniza]

Oh, something tells me, we are standing at the beginning of big events around the world ...

[rocket757]

He did not create serious events on a big deception ... although, a big nix can be arranged.

[cniza]

I'm talking about him, there will be big showdowns ...

[rocket757]

if America is lucky enough to be able to shoot down ballistic missiles

Nobody is lucky YET. No one is capable of shooting down not only everything, a significant part of the missiles !!!
Nourish hopes for a bandit, surprise attack, "disarming strike" .....
To be honest, they can't write, they come up with any nonsense!

[cniza]

This is their whole essence, their computer constantly calculates options and as soon as it gives out that they can destroy all our I.O. with the first blow. , hit without hesitation ...

[rocket757]

Obvious and probable ...
In the foreseeable future, this will not happen ... unless their komputers are completely crazy.

[cniza]

No, he is a computer without passions, unless playful hands can get in there ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

he is a computer without passions

Glitch, for various reasons, from the outside and from the inside by itself .... I had to see everything.

[cniza]

Yes, of course, but there is a system of duplication, comparison and tracking ...

[rocket757]

Such viruses are found ... not desirable with a finger. They can do a lot of harm.

[cniza]

Of course they can, but these work without connecting to the outside world, although the virus can be brought there too ...

[synodontis]

I offer a sofa option. Poseidon is a sea-based ICBM container. Moves into the territorial waters of the adversary and starts from there and attacks the necessary objects

[sleeve]

Well. They know everything again ...
And for example I have other questions. but is not the delay in the "Petrel" and "Poseidon" connected with the solution of the issue of "return" of this weapon? In this case, I would not call these "cars" the words "last" or there "weapons of revenge". Threatening period. We release "fish" and "birds". It became quieter, returned to the base. "Calmed down." Until next time.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sleeve

We release "fish" and "birds". It became quieter, returned to the base. "Calmed down." Until next time.

Doubtful. Nuclear power without strong biological defenses ... back to base?
(- Dad, are there aliens?
- No, son, - THIS IS FANTASTIC ...)

[sleeve]

Well, can you dream up? Pragmatically, then arguing here, do not understand what is with the tactics of application. If I were a Byzantine, I would come up with some kind of super catapult and "cut" it under the contract, leaving the "Greek fire" intact. And from the "partner" I would ask, well, for example, not to breed war elephants for 30 years (so that the generation "was blown away" by the drivers). Who knows, maybe we are dealing with pure political profanation? But for the "Petrel" is paid with lives. And to be honest, such "long-lived", if I may say so, "drones" on the proposed "use" options are doubtful. But with the "return" and reusability ... Well, suppose the "Poseidon" is easier. I extinguished the reactor remotely and "take it". You can even send to the base.

[Al_lexx]

By virtue of my understanding, I believe that "Poseidon" is precisely the weapon of containment. A kind of scarecrow, against which a crowbar has not yet been invented. It is quite possible that if this is a full-fledged drone, then it can just lie down and hide, and start an attack when the carrier has already left for other targets or to the base. And if the need has disappeared, then it may well execute the command to return to the point where it is corny to be taken on board by crane. Most likely, in standby mode (if it has one), it can be, if not for years, then for months - for sure. In this sense, it is somewhat related to strategic aviation, which can be withdrawn. Again, these are just my assumptions, but it would be strange if such options were not included in the design.
Well, then, about "wash it away". You don't need to flush everything. As you know, almost 70% of American power is located along the coast (especially the eastern one) and if a wave is raised not far from the same NY, then the city will not seem like any other coastal city. Unless in the west the coast is mountainous and the damage from such an attack will be much less. The east is a plain, the wave will pass easily. The same can be said for any US VM base, anywhere in the world. Even if their fleet is at sea, it will simply have nowhere to return. And this is very serious, given the fact that America simply does not have land borders with its opponents.
Well .. something like that, I see it.
Again, in the presence of this type of weapon, there is no need to strike with rockets from space, at coastal targets, or to transfer such a strike into the category of "finishing off."

But the main thing is that the presence of the Poseidon system will once again cool the hot heads of the Washington hawks.

[DWG1905]

Poseidon is, among other things, a weapon of the first surprise strike, disabling the cable facilities at the bottom of the Atlantic, and much more useful things can be done by a sudden underwater explosion. If a certain number of Poseidons are suddenly detonated, try to figure out whose one exploded. I think the Chinese have already taken up their Poseidon. The fact that America is protected in the form of oceans (tanks will not reach) turns into a huge vulnerability and frantic spending on anti-submarine defense (which still needs to be invented). And in a threatened period, it is panic and chaos among coastal residents and a massive drape, which is also good. I hope the CIA and NSA read our site, rather they filter information by keywords. Let them think.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

ABOUT! Another article on this topic. Just wrote a comment on January 21st article. I will repeat it here.
Woke up! "There are wondering whether ..." Is not! There is no "Poseidon" from the word at all. Since the spring of 2019, the Ministry of Defense has been silent about them. Over the previous two years, there was a lot (a lot) of noise, but it ended with information about the successful test of a nuclear power plant. And so for the summer of 2019, the Ministry of Defense appointed sea trials. Since then, silence. Since then, only unofficial and foreign media have occasionally returned to this issue. Yes, there was also a mention of the creation of the Poseidon carrier, having adapted for this one of the reserve submarines. But, is it worth discussing the wearable if there is no wearable? I understand foreigners. This silence worries them. There was so much noise, and suddenly nothing. This silence was broken only by one unpleasant (for us) event in the summer of 2019:
"Interfax: On August 8, an explosion occurred at the test site near Nyonoksa in the Arkhangelsk region. The Ministry of Defense announced the death of two people. Rosatom then reported the deaths of five more. The state corporation clarified that the explosion occurred on an offshore platform during a test of a new missile with a radioisotope power source. In the area of ​​the explosion, shipping was prohibited. Residents of the region began to worry and buy iodine. "
But this is not Poseidon, but a "rocket with a radioisotope power source." Nothing about the Poseidons. And the Americans are worried about it. So they throw in such little articles to revive the information environment, and to catch in this environment any information about this project. And the blogosphere comes alive.

[sleeve]

Here we are, as far as we can, the water is turbid and we make ...)))

[ccsr]

According to the author of an article published in the American magazine Forbes, the Poseidons are Russia's insurance in case the US missile defense intercepts all Russian ballistic missiles.

Enchanting stupidity, which more than one military professional would not believe. Even a massive launch of at least one hundred missiles of the Strategic Missile Forces (not to mention 200 or 300) will put the entire American missile defense system in a pose that is popularly called the letter "G". And this is without taking into account the funds that will go from under the water, or will be on board several strategic missile carriers during the threatened period. So the author made an inappropriate comparison - even due to technical failures, they will not be able to hit all our warheads.

The Putin regime may view Poseidons and their carriers as a kind of underwater insurance policy in case America is lucky enough to be able to shoot down ballistic missiles.

And this is nonsense - the Poseidons will reduce the cost of nuclear submarines and significantly increase the period of patrolling in the world's oceans of an underwater carrier, if only because there will be no crew fatigue.

[Old26]

According to the author of an article published in the American magazine Forbes, Poseidons are Russia's insurance in case if the US missile defense intercepts all Russian ballistic missiles.

After that, the article by that author can be skipped

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

This article is American - for a reason. The Americans are clearly going to demand the inclusion of Pseidons with carriers in the SALT treaty.

In this, START-3, which are going to be extended, will hardly be included or only at the last stage of the treaty. Newly, START-4, if it is concluded, is almost certain. But whether this Poseidon will be there is the question. By and large, we don't need him nafig

Quote: Zementbomber

Then another problem arises: the notoriously-advertised "FFSLO will wash away!" - a pair of charges of such power notachievable (actually - this is unattainable even with a 100-Mt charge; but in the second case, there may be at least damage, the prospect of which will be considered unacceptable).

Comrade! Those who speak, especially up there, are not interested in logical inconsistencies. And such inconsistencies "a car and a small cart"

Quote: nnm

On the Internet, I did not immediately find tests of a comparable charge by an underwater explosion and a target environment.

And you will not find it. All underwater tests were of a kiloton class, moreover, EMNIP, which did not even reach fifty kilotons. All calculations about the tidal wave are exclusively theoretical and simplified

Quote: KCA

Actually, another test in 1961 of 57Mgt proved the possibility of creating a thermonuclear charge of unlimited power, and you still create 100Mgt charges by testing them, preferably closer to the USA, those who are engaged in creating charges know perfectly well what and how to do.

The proven possibility and the product made are two different things. Theoretically, you can create a charge of 200 Mt. Even its size can be calculated and the parameters of the explosion. But whether it will work in real life, and how it will work - this information can only be provided by full-scale tests.
There gunsmiths regularly create barrels. Experience in several centuries, but no - they created a barrel - and for testing. Although the creators know perfectly well how the same machine is made, how it is cut, and so on.

Quote: Ros 56

Dear, well, where have you seen the true media of the striped ones, don't the events of the last 3 months say anything? Yes, let the air shake, that's their problem.

Our media, too, do not shine with truthfulness ... This is sometimes carried ...

Quote: cniza

This is their whole essence, their computer constantly calculates options and as soon as it gives out that they can destroy all our I.O. with the first blow. , hit without hesitation ...

What kind of computer is this "superbrain" they have, which is constantly considering options. And what can he give out in terms of - "you can already hit Russia" when all missile defense systems are ours, that they can be intercepted by about 3-4% of warheads?

Quote: U-58

Intercepting ICBMs is perhaps easier than Poseidons.

Single? Yes, when you launch at least a couple of dozen - missile defense will not be able to do anything

Quote: sleeve

Threatening period. We release "fish" and "birds". It became quieter, returned to the base. "Calmed down." Until next time.

Do you seriously think that the enemy, having received information about the launch of these "fish" - "birds" will calm down? I'm afraid it will happen exactly the opposite. He will respond to the launch of "birds" - "fish" by launching "Minutemans" and "Tridents"

Quote: DWG1905

I think the Chinese have already taken up their Poseidon.

They still have not made boats and SLBMs comparable to ours in terms of characteristics, and they decided to stir up Poseidon ...

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

"It is not! No" Poseidons "

What are you, namesake, hurray-patriots so "face about the table." What about the unparalleled wunderwuffs in the world? With "Petrel". Who, in order for it to "whirl" in the atmosphere for years and bypass all conceivable and inconceivable missile defense systems of an adversary, to strike from an unexpected direction should be controlled by at least a dwarf kamikaze? With Poseidon. which, as everyone dreamed, possesses artificial intelligence, can lay down on the ground, then emerge after a few months or years, launching a short-lived reactor again and exploding near New York (Boston, Seattle, .... - emphasize the necessary. imperceptibly ...

Quote: ccsr

Even a massive launch of at least one hundred missiles of the Strategic Missile Forces (not to mention 200 or 300) will put the entire American missile defense system in a pose that is popularly called the letter "G"

Comrade! Trim the sturgeon. What are 100 or 200-300 missiles of the Strategic Missile Forces? Even if we count from the ceiling that each anti-missile missile will shoot down each warhead with a probability of 0,99999, the United States can shoot down no more than 44 such warheads, which is the combat equipment of 4 Voevods or a dozen Yars. And that's all. Finita la comedy