To complete the construction of the conditionally import-substituted An-178, Ukraine requested the help of American specialists

Within 150 calendar days, the American company US Cargo Systems will have to carry out research and development work for the Ukrainian An-178-100R aircraft. According to the agreement concluded with the company from the United States of the Antonov state enterprise, which is part of the Ukroboronprom concern, the topic of the work will be "Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo of the AN-178-100R aircraft"

These data were published on the Ukrainian public procurement platform ProZorro.

The agreement was concluded on December 24 last year and is valid for one year, until December 31, 2021. The company will pay an American contractor $ 350 for the work performed. The parties agreed that technical requirements will be developed on the territory of the contractor.

According to the press service of the SC "Ukroboronprom", a certain amount of An-178-100R in 2023 should be received by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine under a contract for three aircraft, which was concluded on December 29. And a little over a year ago, construction of one An-178 began by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Peru.

An-178 is a Ukrainian-made short-haul transport aircraft with a payload capacity of 18 tons, based on the An-158. Now this aircraft is considered conditionally import-substituted, since there are no components from the Russian Federation in its design. True, the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturers failed to replace the parts made in Western countries with domestic ones, and they did not set such a goal.

Now, in order to complete the construction of the conditionally import-substituted An-178, Ukraine has requested the help of American specialists.

Comments

[orionvitt]

Ukraine has requested the help of American specialists.

What can I say. For that fought for it and ran. With such ecstasy, one must be able to destroy all (including the unique) legacy of the "bloody communists". On the other hand, a bad thing is not tricky, but it is precisely for this that Ukraine is sharpened. So, "glory to Ukraine", let them jump further.

[Orange bigg]

The construction of a laughing power continues successfully.

[Vitaly Pogrebnyak]

It would be funny if I didn't have to run from the city council to the outhouse on the street. Let's put things in order ahead of us, and then wake up neighbors from neighbors.

[hirurg]

Oh, you can't build a warm toilet for her? In the city council? Therefore, it is bad advice or advice.

[hirurg]

Vitaly Pogrebnyak!
wake up neighbors from neighbors.
And you are not from the neighbors, from Ukraine by chance?
We haven't had City Councils for a long time.))

[hirurg]

And in general, the Academy of Sciences in Russia flies more than in Ukraine.
Russia needs to think about whether to keep the An ..

[krot]

"Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo delivery of the AN-178-100R aircraft."

The Sumerians have complete degradation! Regrettable! ) I did something like this on my diploma)))

[figwam]

Quote: hirurg

And you are not from the neighbors, from Ukraine by chance?
We haven't had City Councils for a long time.))

Yes, the trolls no longer know what to think of)))

[halpat]

Quote: hirurg

Oh, you can't build a warm toilet for her? In the city council? Therefore, it is bad advice or advice.

Or maybe they stole everything and now their eyes are poking at each other: where did it all go ??
It happens too

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Vitaly Pogrebnyak

It would be funny if I didn't have to run from the city council to the outhouse on the street.

That is, with a strong state, there would be no problems with the toilet in the city council?

[Shiva83483]

and the words "was", through "and" - only confuses me?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Shiva83483

and the words "was", through "and" - only confuses me?

It has a Ukrainian keyboard layout. There is no letter Y. In addition, our "Y", in their language "I". It's hard to reorganize from Mova to the Great and Mighty.

[Quadro]

Quote: Vitaly Pogrebnyak

It would be funny if I didn't have to run from the city council to the outhouse on the street. Let's put things in order ahead of us, and then wake up neighbors from neighbors.

"Bilo", surname Pogrebnyak. Who do we have? You are Ukrainian, let's go to the censor, you have nothing to do here.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vitaly Pogrebnyak

Would beat

Quote: Vitaly Pogrebnyak

wake up from the neighbors

What is it, there is no Russian layout on the keyboard, only Ukrainian? No wonder that you run to the outhouse from the city council to the street. Ukraine however. And learn Russian to begin with.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Vitaly Pogrebnyak

let's put things in order ahead, and then wake up neighbors from neighbors.

It seems to me that you are just the same "s" of Ukraine and will be! "Forward", "wake up", "out" - pure surzhik!
Who were going to wake up?

[credo]

Quote: orionvitt

Ukraine has requested the help of American specialists.

What can I say. For that fought for it and ran. With such ecstasy, one must be able to destroy all (including the unique) legacy of the "bloody communists". On the other hand, a bad thing is not tricky, but it is precisely for this that Ukraine is sharpened. So, "glory to Ukraine", let them jump further.

Do they really want to revive the former might of the Soviet "Antonov" or is it just one way to divide the allocated money.
Why would they need this hemorrhoid, if no one has been waiting for their products on the international market for a long time.
H-E-B-E-R-Y in the sincerity of their "undertakings".

[Orange bigg]

Noble storytellers live there.

... The state budget of Ukraine should spend about 3-4 billion dollars every year on the rearmament of the army in order to be able to "show Russia's teeth." Ukrainian military analyst Valentin Badrak stated this in an interview with the Apostrof TV channel.
We need at least 3-4 billion dollars for rearmament annually, then in five years we will be able to demonstrate our teeth, so to speak, to the Kremlin, and in fact have missiles

- says Badrak.

https://topcor.ru/18285-ukraine-nuzhno-4-mlrd-dollarov-chtoby-dostat-raketoj-do-kremlja.html
'
"Show the teeth of Russia", so that later on these teeth to get and have Russian missiles in your Kiev garden?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Zementbomber

Actually - you have already tried to "get into the garden". In 2014-15. Subtotal - ~ 15 thousand plastic bags with "tried".
As you say there: "Can we repeat it"?

You are strongly confusing something. 15 thousand are the losses of the Ukrainian army by the end of the summer of 2014, announced at a meeting in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Ukraine was the attacking side, and when advancing and getting into the boilers, it suffered huge losses. The republics of Donbass did not have as many people as the Ukrainian army, they had nothing to attack with, they only sometimes carried out counter-offensive actions, so all your tales about the offensive of "tried" are absurd. Nobody really tried it at all. There were no resources. Read the revelations of Strelkov and Zakharchenko. If you tried those you are hinting at, you would definitely take your whole garden, but there were never such plans. Don’t listen to Ukraine’s propaganda nonsense about alleged victory. Poroshenko lied so that he soon called the Ilovaisk disaster a victory, and Ukraine’s abandonment of Donetsk airport was also recognized as a victory. So take the noodles off your ears, otherwise it will soon turn out to be from Poroshenko's words that Russia was involved there and even lost the war.
Link to events that actually happened.
https://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/839886.html

[svp67]

Quote: Zementbomber

Subtotal - ~ 15 thousand plastic bags with "tried".

You scum and. Because this number of "plastic bags" includes children KILLED like you.

[gjkrjdybr50]

In the name of the expert, the letters are incorrectly placed, not "Badrak", but Bardak.

[abc_alex]

Quote: credo

Do they really want to revive the former might of the Soviet "Antonov" or is it just one way to divide the allocated money.

It is impossible to revive the former power of Antonov. First, there is no market for the "former power". Ties with Russia have been severed, and in the world market all roles have been divided. Nobody will sacrifice themselves for the sake of Ukrainians.
Secondly, for the "former power", the old sectoral and inter-sectoral production cooperation is needed. The entire Union worked for Antonov, supplying products within the framework of non-commodity production ties. It is possible to replace this system with a market one, but the aircraft will be more expensive than Boeing and Airbus.
Thirdly, the old service infrastructure is needed for the "former power". In the USSR, it was and was created for decades, based on a large share of Antonov in the country's aircraft fleet. And now, what is Antonov's share in the fleet of, say, Europe? Zero before and infinitesimal after the decimal point? Who will service the Ukrainian aircraft?

There is no question of any "former power". It's just that politicians in Ukraine really want to show that the aviation industry can do without Russia. For this, a cadaver of aircraft construction is being created. Not viable. He is so helpless that he is forced to invite specialists from outside even to draw up technical requirements for "the system for loading, unloading and airborne aircraft cargo." Do you understand? Not to help in the design of components or assemblies. Not to identify US equipment suppliers. And for the development of technical specifications. That is, the Ukrainians cannot even really understand what exactly they have to do with the car.
I would also understand if it was about marketing research. On determining the market segment for which the aircraft will be designed. But the plane is already there. Ukrainians simply cannot figure out what to do with it.

[antivirus]

it was difficult for a person to give bread ... it is easier to feed on imported popcorn.

[Holgerton]

We ordered the wrong ones. task, and development work (R&D) on the topic "Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargoes of the AN-178-100R aircraft" (in the original news), and what was done on a tender basis (Prozorro is a tender platform) ...
If no one from within the country was able to offer their services in this area, then it is logical that the one who offers the best solution will win.
Moreover, I strongly doubt that the design bureau im. Antonova has ever created systems for landing cargo, loading / unloading systems, yes, they have their own, and all those. the requirements for such systems are spelled out in the ICAO standards for the respective cargo. At the same time, they have nothing to create a landing system in flight, but others do, for example, this is the main activity of US Cargo Systems regarding BTA aircraft. Plus, for some reason, they do not buy ready-made systems from the same company for similar aircraft classes, which already correlates with your statements, since this is exactly what they should have done instead of ordering R&D.
So it generally becomes unclear why you are so sorry.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Holgerton

Moreover, I strongly doubt that the design bureau im. Antonova has ever created systems for landing cargo

Are you serious? I hope you are aware that of the three planes of the USSR Airborne Forces, two were Antonov Design Bureau. Yes? An-12, An-22, in your opinion, did not have a "cargo drop system"?
http://www.drop-rus.ru/парашютное-десантировании/
Here is a link to a company that uses the An-12 for the commercial delivery of cargo by parachute systems.
To say that the An-12 from which the BMD with a crew was dropped for the first time, and which actually allowed the USSR Airborne Forces to acquire equipment, did not have a cargo parachuting system ...
Here, as an example, is a very exotic photo - an experiment on a parachute-free drop from a low altitude

And for the An-22, the cargo dumping system was developed by the Antonov Design Bureau itself - this is absolutely certain. Since, according to the requirements of the TK, the mass of the mono-cargo should have reached 20 tons, the movement inside the fuselage to the tail hatch and the moment of discharge caused piloting problems and the design bureau itself designed the discharge system with a characteristic "beaver tail" ...

So they must have everything to develop a landing system. All this was done in the Antonov Design Bureau back in the 60s. For loads of at least 20 tons.

this is the main activity of US Cargo Systems in relation to BTA aircraft

Above is a link to a Russian company with the same type of activity using the An-12.

Quote: Holgerton

Plus, for some reason, they don't buy ready-made systems from the same company for similar aircraft classes.

Because they don't know what to buy. That's what I'm writing about. That the plane is there. It is tailored for a specific market and a specific type of activity. Politicians in Ukraine VERY want to launch its production without Russia, outside Russia and to spite Russia. But the developers DO NOT UNDERSTAND why and for what it is needed without Russia and outside Russia. They do not understand who, what and where will carry it. And therefore they do not understand how to remake it. That is why they hired shtatovites for "(ROC) on the topic" Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo delivery of the AN-178-100R aircraft ". That is, in order for someone to explain to the Ukrainians where and what someone will carry on it. Well, do you really think that the design bureau with an almost 100-year history of the development of aircraft TA does not know how to load and unload an aircraft?

Quote: Holgerton

what was produced on a tender basis

So what? I understand if it was about Russia, France or Germany. I understand when it comes to a wheel change system in a car. But do you really think that there is someone in Ukraine who can do more on airplanes than the Antonov Design Bureau? Well, we issued a tender for the sake of pro forma, then what?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: abc_alex

It is impossible to revive the former power of Antonov. Firstly .... There is no talk of any "former power" ..

Dear, well, it’s impossible: you have gouged two dozen lines into dust wet dreams 404s - they were hoping
Every time the topic of 404 aircraft construction comes up, I feel somehow embarrassed: do they really believe that someone is ready to share with them a "piece of cake": this one is so obviously naive

[Bad_gr]

Now this aircraft is considered conditionally import-substituted, since there are no components from the Russian Federation in its design.

So they would call it: not "import-substituted", but "Russian-substituted" aircraft.

[venik]

Quote: orionvitt

What can I say. For that fought for it and ran.

==========
But - "neezalezhni"! Truth FROM WHAT "nezalezhni" - this is exactly what remains b-o-o-o-lshim the question!
In just some 30 years, under the external control of "any friends" (USA), they managed to completely ruin their own country, destroy the economy, bring complete poverty own people and become an ABSOLUTE VASSAL of American, European and transnational "elites" .....
Well, what if it's - "independence"...... I congratulate the Ukrainians with HER!
PS IT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT - " ( ) For that fought for it and ran".... And not fig guilty look: better look in the mirror!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: orionvitt

So, "glory to Ukraine",

What I noticed in the video: there is a naked airplane body, covered only with a primer, but a blakytny flag on the body in all its glory.
The photo does not allow you to see if the flags are drawn on the rivets?

[Sahalinets]

Unfortunately, Russia has supported this office for many years, poured in considerable money. Without this nourishment from Antonov, only memories would have remained long ago. Likewise with engines, aircraft and marine. How much time and money wasted to support the enemy!

[Cron]

Yes, it costs Ukraine dearly, this is yours: "The whole world is with us"

[Orange bigg]

"The whole world is with us" with Ukraine, where each of this world is in turn with Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cron

Yes, it costs Ukraine dearly, this is yours: "The whole world is with us"

For everything in the west you have to pay, in the west only "charity soup" is given out for free.

[Volkof]

The article is a fraudulent political movie! See at least something that carries information and the consequences of the next zip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn44xkoWGqk

[faiver]

Hmm, they are shameful, though ours turned out to be not much better with the Il-112, but ours will not ask the amers for help ...

[voyaka uh]

Assistance does not apply to the flight performance of the aircraft or its structure.

"Development of technical requirements for the loading, unloading system ..."
How the cargo compartment will be equipped for efficient work.

[faiver]

even more shameful, having the luggage in the construction of dozens of aircraft models, to ask for help in such matters ...

[voyaka uh]

This is a whole science: the logistics of fast and complete aircraft loading.
And its fast unloading.
Without this, there will be downtime, fines from customers at airports.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is a whole science: the logistics of fast and complete aircraft loading.
And its fast unloading.
Without this, there will be downtime, fines from customers at airports.

An-178 is adjusted to the future customer, according to his requirements. It will be possible to lease transport aircraft to the Americans, although they must first be made.

... Ukraine has about a dozen purely passenger airlines, and none of them operate An aircraft. But there are nine cargo and one airline that performs both cargo and passenger transportation, which use them. In addition, there are four more airlines engaged in cargo transportation, which could also fit An aircraft. In total, there are more than 60 sides that potentially require replacement. And all these airlines know how to make money on the transportation of goods and mail. All that is needed is to create a financial mechanism through which they could get new aircraft. Air freight on ramp freighters is not as lucrative as transporting passengers and therefore often uses older aircraft such as ex-military ones. Fuel efficiency in such transportation, although important, is not the primary factor. All this creates the preconditions for the An-178 to become an attractive aircraft for this market segment.

Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/samolety-antonova.html
naukatehnika.com

[abc_alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is a whole science: the logistics of fast and complete aircraft loading.
And its fast unloading.

Warrior, I remind you that the Antonov Design Bureau is one of the most famous manufacturers of cargo aircraft. Almost all aircraft of this design bureau are transport aircraft. This design bureau had more competence in matters of efficient loading and unloading, reloading and even additional loading than most aviation design bureaus in the world. The schemes implemented by Antonov are very diverse, from hatches and ramps to unique ones for Mriya. So the Antonov Design Bureau owned this science, if not 100%, then 99% - for sure. Where did it all go?

[Volkof]

The Antonov Design Bureau is one of the most famous manufacturers of cargo aircraft.

KB is never an aircraft manufacturer. The Antonov Design Bureau in the USSR developed airplanes, and the whole vast country built them, and later, they were built in Russia. The latter refers to the An-148, more of them were built in Russia, including the 1st! And in Ukraine, they were collected from Russian components, the last one in 2015! In Russia, the latter was built in 2017 for the Aerospace Forces .... Russia should close all information on the operation of the An-148 (AN-178)! Ukraine has failed the operation of the An-148 and will not be able to operate the An-178, let alone build it! How many new Ruslans have been built by the Outskirts?

[abc_alex]

Quote: Volkof

KB is never an aircraft manufacturer. The Antonov Design Bureau in the USSR developed airplanes, and the whole vast country built them, and later, they were built in Russia.

I agree. It's a pity I didn't have time to correct the post ...

[Volkof]

What luggage? All aircraft were built in the USSR, and Russia is the successor of the USSR! All aircraft of the Soviet Antonov Design Bureau, which included design engineers from all over the USSR, were built in the USSR, including the Ruslans and Mriya! What does the Outskirts have to do with them? The fact that during the collapse of the USSR they were given to Ukraine does not mean that Ukraine made them!

[faiver]

we are talking about the design of Antonov KB aircraft, not Ukraine, it is clear that the aircraft were built at aircraft factories

[Volkof]

Soviet design bureau "Antonova", which included design engineers from all over the USSR

Read carefully!

[Volkof]

This is not help, or rather the Ukrainians decided to help themselves on the contrary! The order for 3 purely transport aircraft, in conditions of difficulties with financing and import substitution, did not provide for the creation of a full-fledged military transport aircraft and equipping it, including with systems for landing! This is a project to save the Antonov company and the entire aircraft industry in the outskirts, and not a lucrative contract for the near-army ... Nobody asked their army! Well, the flag in their hands and the wind in ....

[Pereira]

In Ukraine, no one already knows how to load planes?
Marvelous are your deeds, Lord!

[Orange bigg]

Quote: voyaka uh

Assistance does not apply to the flight performance of the aircraft or its structure.

"Development of technical requirements for the loading, unloading system ..."
How the cargo compartment will be equipped for efficient work.

Research and development work is not related to the design of the aircraft?

. Within 150 calendar days, the American company US Cargo Systems will have to carry out research and development work for the Ukrainian An-178-100R aircraft. According to the agreement concluded with the company from the United States of the Antonov state enterprise, which is part of the Ukroboronprom concern, the topic of the work will be "Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo of the AN-178-100R aircraft"

[Guru]

Assistance does not apply to the flight performance of the aircraft or its structure.

Hello Alexey. Not everything is so simple, the problem with balancing was recently discussed at VO, the reason was in the software, Boeing had already stepped on this rake, then Antonov, and now Ilyushin. Do you remember it was discussed that the Antonovites put a metal plate in front, for balance. And now the Antonovites want the Americans to make a calculation "Is it possible to create an acceptable balance of the aircraft by facilitating the ramp." I think this is the real reason, but in order not to frighten the layman they called this case

the topic of the work will be "Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo delivery of the AN-178-100R aircraft".

[Rusticolus]

And there is also one obscure postscript.

The parties agreed that technical requirements will be developed on the territory of the contractor.

That is, the Americans will decide which aircraft with which performance characteristics Ukraine needs. I think that's why everything is being started. First, the Americans will decide how to do, then what to do, and in the end whether to do at all. And then you never know, suddenly, and then the Chinese hurry up. And so "Antonov" consider that it goes under external management, but without any sale, that is, for nothing. But now everything will definitely be "according to NATO standards."

[Volkof]

Warrior, what compartment? They have not made a single plane themselves! Let them make at least these 3 aircraft in any design! This is the question! A question of survival! They will also send Peru! This loan money will be enough to finish building 1 plane for Peru ... These planes are not needed by anyone yet, and you are about efficiency! I hung up the video! Look ...

[Mouse]

Antonov turned over in his coffin ...

[faiver]

Antonov turned over in his coffin ...

- that's for sure...

[Ros 56]

And why go there, you just need Antonov to return to his homeland in Novosibirsk and all the business.

[Dmitry Makarov]

Are there really those who are ready to buy planes in Ukraine? In recent years, Ukrainians have failed 100% of export deals, even in much less high-tech industries.
The only competitive goods in Ukraine are migrant workers and women with reduced social responsibility.

[faiver]

and what about fat and vodka?

[Orange bigg]

And what do they make of lard from vodka?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: faiver

and what about fat and vodka?

Lard from Poland, sugar for vodka from the European Union.

[Ros 56]

Salo from Russia.

[georggy]

Makarov, please now also cheerfully give a comment on the Russian aviation industry and the people of Russia.

[Zementbomber]

"Ukraine - not Russia "(c) (this is about the export of women with reduced social responsibility, as the main source of foreign exchange)
At the end of 2019, Ukroboronprom enterprises exported weapons and services worth $ 908 million (an increase of 19%).
But you dream, dream ...

[Cowbra]

Everything, the bottom is broken. I would still understand if there were difficulties in R&D at the stage of development work ... The equipment is old. no money ... But at the first stage !!! Research, which called research and development work ... That already means. that there are no brains. You mean ... ate not only factories, but also specialists. Bye, Ukraine, hello, Wild Field. Give a banana?
PiSi: and there are clearly research. no one will build layouts of unloading nodes - they are not aware of the capacity of the enterprise and will not work there. So it's a purely virtual project - research projects

[Assyrian]

Conditional country, conditionally substitutes import.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Assyrian

Conditional country, conditionally substitutes import.

And the real $ 350 will be given away (I don’t know what the kickback will be ...) from the “treasury” of Ukraine.

[Alexfly]

It is a pity that such an enterprise collapsed, and it is also a pity that ours also had a hand in this, all projects for the construction and replacement of old Ans with new models were delayed for an unknown time, some moments have disappeared altogether ... Where is the notorious - only business and nothing personal? Politicians are destroying the economy, and it doesn't matter whose ...

[abc_alex]

Well, imagine what would happen now with this replacement. Didn't the example with marine and helicopter engines teach you anything?

[Alexfly]

And nothing would have happened, the Maidan most likely too ...

[Ros 56]

Striped will take part in this project if it gets the Boeing name or something, and is sold under their brand. And under the name An, who is this, there have never been and never will be. So it’s Banderlog’s goofs.

[LAWNER]

Yes, you will write with boiling water when you find out how much we have thrown into the superjet ... And it consists of an asp in half of bourgeois materials. MS-100, the same story.

[faiver]

yes, in the know everything about the superjet, we have discussed more than once

[LAWNER]

Why then look for a mote from a neighbor?

[voronin]

Ukraine requested assistance from American specialists

Import substitution required import ...

[Twodi]

I do not understand why she speaks Russian on the video ???

[Prisoner]

They also laugh at feminine logic. Women did not even stand next to the logic of svidomita-shenevmerlik. Import have been substituted, however.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, now it should be like in Europe
In the correct design bureau, each creature should work in pairs:
Dill, nigga, Latinos and homosexual, and that appealed to the Americans.

[Rusticolus]

Latinos with Nigeria may like something else, and worked but with the homosexual and dill they are clearly not on the path, but like Nigeria the same. So the level of dill is only homosexual.

[Captan78]

Are you out of your own specialists?

[Reserve buildbat]

"Within 150 calendar days, the American company US Cargo Systems will have to carry out research and development work," according to the results of which it will be decided that this aircraft is of little use for the transportation of standard NATO cargo, which means that the project must be closed, and the skakuasses must be purchased by carriers of a similar class. released 50 years ago on the territory of the owner.

[Dimide]

I like your "sincere" concern about the affairs of "Antonov"
ROC for the US Cargo system is a matter of certification and standardization for NATO.

[Gray-haired Zinnik]

It's not even the bottom

[Lord of the Sith]

Units produced 1 (for flight static testing)
Development program cost ~ $150 million

It's funny how the poor farmers will dodge))
The Yankees will not help them, on the contrary, they will try to destroy the Soviet legacy, they do not need competitors

[APASUS]

We survived when the An-225 was being built. Now there are no specialists to develop technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne airborne cargo aircraft.
The result is quite indicative

[TermNachTer]

I wonder if the skoki will cost an imported substitute?))) Can it be easier to buy an "embraer" right away?)))

[pexotinec]

Lived, ordered from amers. Looks like all sensible heads ran away.

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: hirurg

Vitaly Pogrebnyak!
wake up neighbors from neighbors.
And you are not from the neighbors, from Ukraine by chance?
We haven't had City Councils for a long time.))

Maybe he is from the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, whose chairman V. Matvienko also speaks about the shame in the form of 3 thousand schools in Russia with cold street toilets?

[georggy]

They ditched, like we have all the bad Soviet.

[Prost Stas]

Read carefully, we are talking about "Development of technical REQUIREMENTS for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo delivery of the AN-178-100R aircraft", and not about the development of the system itself. Most likely, the problem lies simply in the system of Western standards and certification, so I see no reason for spite and malice ...

[Pilot1974]

Well ... just an amazing nation! It must be able to crush it into dust, which has been created for decades. Now in Ukraine there is no aircraft and engine building, ship and tank building, tractor and machine tool building. Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash ordered to live long, producing rockets and engines for them, as well as trolleybuses and tractors. The Nazis turned Ukraine into the most economically backward country in Europe. Amen!

[waowao]

Quote: Pilot1974

Well ... just an amazing nation! It must be able to crush it into dust, which has been created for decades. Now in Ukraine there is no aircraft and engine building, ship and tank building, tractor and machine tool building. Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash ordered to live long, producing rockets and engines for them, as well as trolleybuses and tractors. The Nazis turned Ukraine into the most economically backward country in Europe. Amen!

And where is the design bureau of Tupolev, Yakovlev and Sukhoi now? What are they doing now?
What production aircraft are assembled in Russia, except for the Superjet with French engines and 40% American avionics? Why 65% ​​of tractors in the fields of Russia are foreign-made?
And what is the most popular Russian-made car among Russian officials?

[waowao]

Quote: Volkof

What luggage? All aircraft were built in the USSR, and Russia is the successor of the USSR! All aircraft of the Soviet Antonov Design Bureau, which included design engineers from all over the USSR, were built in the USSR, including the Ruslans and Mriya! What does the Outskirts have to do with them? The fact that during the collapse of the USSR they were given to Ukraine does not mean that Ukraine made them!

Why didn't Russia, being the successor of the USSR, invested a dime in the construction of a new sarcophagus over the Chernobyl nuclear power plant? Why doesn't he pay pensions to liquidators? Or did she not inherit the Chernobyl nuclear power plant?
Of course it's so convenient. Inherit all the good, leave all the shit. Perfect logic.