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Specialization ... bayonets

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The 8th Danish Brigade attacks at Dybbel. Wilhelm Rosenstand (1838-1915). Museum of National stories, Copenhagen


And angrily sees Karl the mighty
Not upset clouds
Unhappy Narva fugitives,
And the thread of the shelves is shiny, slender
Obedient, fast and calm,
And a row of unshakable bayonets.
(Poltava A.S. Pushkin)

History weapons. With the advent of rapid-firing primer and then cartridge magazine rifles, the huntsmen as a kind of infantry ceased to exist. The last time in uniforms different from the general army, they fought during the American Civil War. These were “Berdan's shooters”, but their debut, although impressive, remained in history “the last chord in an old play about gamekeepers”. Already in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878. the use of American Winchesters by the Turks in the battle near Plevna did not allow our infantry to approach the Turkish trenches and bring matters to the point of being hit with bayonets. Well, with the discovery of smokeless powder, there was no hope that the infantry in a line formation would go into bayonet attacks. Nevertheless, the inertia of thinking of various military authorities was so great that their opinion was "a fool's bullet - a bayonet well done", "shoot rarely, but accurately!" remained dominant for a long time. The inconsistency of these judgments was shown, however, already by the battles of the Austro-Danish-Prussian (Danish-German) and Franco-Prussian wars, which cost huge losses in the infantry of the supporters of the previous military tactics. And there were still used single-shot rifles that fired black powder cartridges! By the way, the same counterattacks on the Prussian regiments in the Battle of Dyubbel led only to huge losses, since they were met with fire from rapid-fire needle rifles. What, then, could be expected from the coming wars, in which soldiers would fight with magazine rifles in their hands, and smokeless gunpowder would be used in cartridges ?!

Specialization ... bayonets
Prussian soldiers attack the Danes at the Battle of Dubbel. Richard Knotel (1857-1914)

No one disputed the merits of needle bayonets, but in addition to them, a cleaver was also required. And in the new conditions, when almost hundreds of cartridges were shot in battle, it seemed to many too ... not rational to wear both a cleaver and a bayonet. The time when, God forbid, a dozen cartridges were fired by a soldier for the entire battle, are now over. They tried to reduce the layout, saving literally on grams, just to give the soldier more cartridges, so that the idea of ​​a universal bayonet was gradually actualized in the minds of even the most traditionally thinking generals. Although not immediately and not everywhere ...


The simplest attachment of the blade bayonet was carried out on the Baker rifle. On the right of the barrel (on the right, because there was a ramrod at the bottom!) There was an L-shaped rack (very clearly visible in the photo), which entered into the groove of the handle and a spring latch. In this case, the handle and blade were located horizontally on the right. This slightly shifted the balance of the gun, but the blade fit well into the body between the ribs. A scene from one of the films of the series about the adventures of the King's Shooter Sharp

So, in England, the bladed bayonet was introduced in 1854 and even managed to take part in the battles of Alma and Inkerman during the Crimean War. The blade bayonet also appeared on the French Chasspo rifle (see previous material - V.O.), as well as in the armies of a number of other countries.

As one British newspaper wrote,

the committee, when recommending this new bayonet, apparently had in mind the fact that from now on bayonets will be less frequently used as a weapon of attack and defense than in the old days; therefore they wanted to replace the old bayonet with a more general instrument.


Bayonet of an English cavalry carbine, model 1835. Royal Arsenal, Leeds


English fittings and bayonets (1841). Royal Arsenal, Leeds

Already for the 1871 Martini-Henry rifle, a machete bayonet with a blade expanding towards the end and a sawtooth back was adopted. It proved to be a very effective chopping weapon, but it was made only in small quantities, since it turned out to be much more expensive than the classic piercing bayonet.


The traditional needle bayonet of the Martini-Henry rifle, 1877-1899. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

Then, already in 1875, a bayonet-saw was adopted to the Snyder rifle (artillery carbine) as the most convenient for artillerymen, as well as sappers and ... army butchers, since with its help it was possible ... to butcher livestock for meat!


French needle bayonet of the early XNUMXth century. with fastening ring (photo by Alain Daubresse)

The first such bayonet was adopted by the German states in 1865; until the middle of the First World War, approximately 5% of bladed bayonets were supplemented with a saw version. In Belgium, such bayonets appeared in 1868, in Great Britain the first samples - in 1869, in Switzerland - in 1878 (the last model in 1914). The original “reverse saw” bayonets were produced for sappers, and to some extent the aspect of the bayonet itself was secondary to the aspect of the “tool”. Later, the German "saw bayonets" became indicators of the rank of their owner rather than a functional saw. And it was not very convenient to saw with such bayonets. Therefore, in most countries, by 1900, sawtooth bayonets were abandoned. The German army stopped using the bayonet with a "reverse saw" in 1917 - and then only after the protests of the world community against the fact that the serrated blade caused unnecessarily serious wounds when used as a fixed bayonet.

Nevertheless, double-edged bladed knives were used very widely. These were: the British Mk2 bayonet of 1888 for the "Lee-Metford" rifle (the first bayonet-knife, adopted by the army of the United Kingdom), the British long blade bayonet with a bow-hook (disappeared after 1913) 1907 for the "short rifles "Lee-Enfield" and even ... the front bayonet of the German Nazi police in 1940. The latter had neither a groove on the handle, nor a latch, that is, it was simply impossible to attach to the rifle, but on the other hand he had a beautiful eagle head on the handle, and the handle itself was decorated with reindeer antlers!


British bladed bayonet, 597 mm long, model 1875. Designed for gunners armed with a rifle (Snyder carbine), type 1. Photo of Auckland Institute and Museum, New Zealand

Since 1870, the US Army has been producing bayonets-shovels for infantry regiments according to the design of Lieutenant Colonel Edmund Rice, and such bayonets could not only be stabbed and used as a digging tool, but also used ... instead of a spatula for plastering walls; and sharpened on one side, it could cut sticks and pegs to set up a tent. True, in 1881 this "spatula bayonet" was declared obsolete by the US Army.


American "bayonet-spatula" 1871-1899 Royal Arsenal, Leeds

From 1899 to 1945, the Japanese used a very long (25,4 cm) bayonet with a "type 30" blade on the already very long Arisaka rifle. Obviously, this was done to compensate for the growth and relatively small length of the arms of the Japanese army infantry.


Comblane Brazilian carbine. The official name is "artillery and engineering carbine model 4, model 1892" In total, 3000 units were produced at the Nagana plant in Liege. Caliber 11 mm. Brazilian bayonet, model 1888 (photo by Alain Daubresse)


Close up of the same bayonet. A typical yatagan bayonet! Reverse curvature blade with fuller, T-shaped profile with reinforced "back" (photo by Alain Daubresse)

The bayonet-epee (which had lost the hook and loop) of the French Lebel rifle was also very long, which was also very long in itself. This made it difficult to use it in trenches with a bayonet attached, but it helped in the desperate bayonet attacks that French soldiers went to at the very beginning of the First World War.


All-metal Comblane carbine bayonet handle with crosshair hook (photo by Alain Daubresse)

The French army received this bayonet in 1886, and its length was 52 cm, as a result of which the total length of the rifle and bayonet was 1,8 m.In response, Germany adopted the Seitengewehr 1898 bayonet-knife 98 cm long for the Mauser rifle model 50. But the total length of the rifle with a bayonet turned out to be 1,75 m, that is, it was inferior to the French one quite a bit.


French infantry with Lebel rifles mod. 1886 learns to go into a bayonet attack. Photo of 1913

In 1905, the German army adopted a shortened 37-centimeter bayonet Seitengewehr 98/06 for the engineering troops, and in 1908 also the Karabiner Model 1898AZ short rifle, which was produced in limited numbers for cavalry, artillery and other special forces. Long-barreled rifle "Mauser 98" remained in service as the main infantry small arms. Moreover, the German military continued to promote in every way the idea of ​​defeating the enemy on the battlefield not only with fire, but also with bayonets. Learning bayonet techniques was equated with the ability to shoot accurately. An impressive bayonet training technique was developed, which was later adopted by the armies of many other states, including the US Army, where on the eve of World War I a 40,6 cm long blade bayonet was used with the Springfield rifle.


Blade bayonet for the Winchester 1895 rifle. Rifles of this system during the First World War were ordered by the Russian government in the United States for the Russian imperial army (photo by Alain Daubresse)

Before the war, three types of blade bayonet mounts were created. The first is similar to the bayonet mount on the Baker rifle (side right). The second is for M88 and M98 Mauser rifles with a bayonet attached under the barrel and a T-shaped slot for a pin in the handle. With lateral fastening using a ring in the crosshair, with which the bayonet handle was put on the barrel, while its pommel was fixed to it using a T-shaped protrusion on the barrel and a corresponding profile groove in the handle. Finally, the bayonet under the barrel is similar to the 1914 Enfield rifle, when the bayonet is attached under the barrel in the same way as the German Mauser bayonet, but also behind the ring on the crosshair with an emphasis on the base of the front sight.

In the Russian imperial army, tetrahedral needle bayonets were traditionally used, which were attached to the barrel using a sleeve with an L-shaped groove. It was forbidden to remove them, since the rifle was fired with a bayonet. However, so that the bayonet did not interfere, it was often removed and put on again, turning the point towards itself.

To be continued ...
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 31 January 2021 05: 13
    +5
    Thank you Vyacheslav for an interesting article about this melee weapon.
    Until now, the bayonet knife is used in business ... I was surprised a lot when I saw some African rebel firing from Kalash with a bayonet knife at the enemy.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 31 January 2021 06: 53
      +13
      Good morning friends. hi
      Thank you Vyacheslav for continuing the cycle.
      I have a ceremonial bayonet from the Polish Mauser arr. 1929 (Wz. 29), so not only is it all nickel-plated (the scabbard too) to a mirror finish, there is still a groove for the lanyard on the handle, the handle cheeks are made of black ebonite, and the rest is purely a copy of the German bayonet.
      ... only after international protests against the serrated blade inflicting unnecessarily serious injuries when used as a fixed bayonet.

      I don’t remember where, but I read that the German soldiers of the First World War threw out these bayonets themselves, because it was not recommended to be taken prisoner with them, they ended up on the spot without trial or investigation, and it’s good if without atrocities.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 31 January 2021 07: 12
        +11

        In my collection lies from the three-line period of the Civil War.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 January 2021 07: 19
          +13
          The funniest bayonet-knife I have from the Finnish 3-line, found personally on the Mannerheim line (Muolajärvi area), in very good condition, but without a scabbard.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 31 January 2021 07: 31
            +9
            We have only traces of Kolchak's army! My echo of those events.
          2. kalibr
            31 January 2021 08: 11
            +7
            In my childhood and adolescence, I just had a bayonet from a Gra rifle. Very convenient to mow the grass in the garden. But he sold at the harsh time of the beginning of family life ...
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 31 January 2021 08: 23
              +9
              Someone really does not like the bayonet from the Gra rifle, they cut themselves, apparently. laughing
        2. kalibr
          31 January 2021 07: 40
          +10
          You need a lot of bayonets, especially if you are the boss and sit at the table in a chair. In this case, the bayonets must be positioned behind you so that they give a halo around the head. Well, a couple more cabinets with weapons so you can say it's "my hobby". In fact, the point is precisely in the steel halo around the head. Subconsciously, this will be perceived as power and ... better than this only a halo of sabers, swords and broadswords! But it's more expensive!
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 31 January 2021 07: 46
            +8
            "bayonets must be positioned so that they give a halo around the head"

            Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is almost the throne from "War of Thrones" turns out smile
            1. kalibr
              31 January 2021 07: 54
              +5
              Quote: Van 16
              the throne from "War of Thrones" is obtained

              I have not seen, I do not know. But I read (and wrote!) A lot about the methods of subconscious influence on others.
              1. Van 16
                Van 16 31 January 2021 07: 59
                +6
                Yes, I also only watched the first season, and then half an eye, my daughter advised. It turned out not to be mine. But the throne is ... impressive.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 31 January 2021 10: 52
                  +6
                  It turned out not to be mine.
                  you need to read
                  1. Van 16
                    Van 16 31 January 2021 11: 55
                    +3
                    Martin has good books, Sand Kings, Taffe's Travels, but Thrones - no, I didn't.
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 31 January 2021 12: 10
                      +4
                      I don't know ... the thing is gorgeous
                      1. Van 16
                        Van 16 31 January 2021 12: 17
                        +1
                        I don’t argue, it’s just not mine. It happens. Here are many who are delighted with Terry Pratchett, I also read sometimes, but I don't have anything like that. hi
              2. novel66
                novel66 31 January 2021 10: 51
                +6

                Boromir is immortal !! I knew!!
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 31 January 2021 13: 16
                  +4
                  Quote: novel xnumx

                  Boromir is immortal !! I knew!!

                  Starks die, die constantly ...
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 11
                    +2
                    Starks die, die constantly ...

                    Sean Bean generally holds the record for the number of characters played who die. laughing
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 1 February 2021 12: 31
                      +2
                      Therefore, I did not become a star on the scale of Stallone, say - not that role))
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 34
                        +2
                        Therefore, I did not become a star on the scale of Stallone, say - not that role))

                        A tragic role, Albert? You also need to be able to die beautifully in the frame! laughing Not everyone can save the world! drinks
                        Remember South Park? "I need an engineer, a scientist, and one black man who will save everyone at the cost of his own life!" (E. Cartman)
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 February 2021 12: 41
                        +2
                        I remember - my favorite cartoon is zhezh. And he sings about chocolate eggs fellow
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 45
                        +1
                        And he sings about chocolate eggs

                        And not only about them. laughing But this phrase is just a masterpiece:
                        - Woman, I gave you another portion of sweet love five minutes ago! Do you want my death ?!
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 February 2021 12: 52
                        +3
                        laughing
                        In my opinion, he told Cartman's mom))
                        عبد المحمد جاﺑﺮ رؤوف كريم اﻟﯽ
                        And this is the name he adopted in protest against the city's racist flag
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 57
                        +1
                        In my opinion, he told Cartman's mom))

                        No, in the very first episode - Katie Lee Gifford. laughing
                        And this is the name he adopted in protest against the city's racist flag

                        And in protest he burned a Buddhist monk! wassat
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 February 2021 15: 23
                        +3
                        Self-burning monk - one of the symbols of the Vietnam War, part of the American cultural studies laughing
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 17: 08
                        +2
                        Self-burning monk - one of the symbols of the Vietnam War, part of the American cultural studies

                        This is a well-known case. So the Chef said about the series. "One Buddhist monk burnt himself in protest. In my protest, I will also burn a Buddhist monk!" fellow in general, he acted smartly! yes
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 February 2021 20: 20
                        +2
                        Yes, there is generally the whole cartoon about the cheerful and resourceful laughing
                      9. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 09: 38
                        +1
                        Yes, there is generally the whole cartoon about the cheerful and resourceful

                        And in general - interesting personalities! Including Trump with a somewhat "non-standard" orientation ... laughing
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 February 2021 10: 03
                        +1
                        With Pink Johnny))
                      11. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 10: 28
                        +2
                        With Pink Johnny))

                        I was also finished off by a series where drunken men in South Park got too carried away with historical reconstruction, and almost outplayed the Civil War in the direction of the Confederates good laughing

                        "Mrs. McCormick, I inform you that your son Kenny died a heroic death. Signed: General Eric Cartman Lee" soldier
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 February 2021 10: 50
                        +1
                        Killed Kenny again ... the bastards ..
                      13. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 10: 53
                        +1
                        Killed Kenny again ... the bastards ..

                        But how cool they beat the Irish beer brand! drinks
  • zenion
    zenion 5 February 2021 21: 36
    +1
    Van 16 (Ivan). Bayonets and pitchfork must be placed under the throne! But under the ass is even better.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 31 January 2021 08: 05
    +9
    It is easier to order a crown from a blacksmith, simple and tasteful. laughing
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 08: 20
      +7
      No, Constantine! A hint of your power should not be overt. This is a bad taste, like a toilet made of onyx ... It must come from the subconscious, not consciously. Then it's powerful. For example, you have a long office. What do you need? We need to have a collection of ... pipes and a desk lighter. A client comes to you. You get up to him from the table (a demonstration of equality!), Offer to light a cigarette (a demonstration of friendliness!), And ... while talking to him, you pick up the pipe in the closet behind you, and go to the other end of the office for tobacco. That is, all the time you flicker before the eyes of the client. This is subconscious domination - after all, he is sitting ... Then you light up the pipe and put it on the table - let it smoke ... In a word, there is a lot of things to suppress the will of a person, and in the end he will agree to your terms! The fact is that 25-27% are absolutely suggestible, and ... you need to be able to use it!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 31 January 2021 08: 28
        +7
        It was simpler in my office, and there was no need to go back and forth either. And the dominant - here it is, on a tripod.
        1. kalibr
          31 January 2021 08: 36
          +6
          Quote: Sea Cat
          And the dominant - here it is, on a tripod.

          Yes, absolutely. This is also a great solution. Think of Rolling's study in The Hyperboloid of Engineer Garin. On the mantelpiece he had a bomb launcher and several chemical rounds!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 31 January 2021 08: 41
            +5
            There were two films about "Hyperboloid", what you mean, I honestly don't remember the bomb at all.
            1. kalibr
              31 January 2021 09: 58
              +7
              This is also in the novel in the first film of 1965. And the second of 1973 was called "The Collapse of Engineer Garin" - and that shit!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 31 January 2021 10: 11
                +3
                I agree with the assessment of the second, although Borisov played the main role, and with Evstigneev the film turned out to be excellent, I almost don't remember the novel, so many years have passed.
              2. kalibr
                31 January 2021 10: 58
                +5
                One of the novels that I advised PR students to read and look for examples of good PR solutions in it. By the way, Zoya Monroz was Rolling's PR-manager, although in the novel she was called a secretary!
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 31 January 2021 09: 14
        +7
        Summarizing the conversation about psychological dominants, I will give the following art object:
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 January 2021 09: 16
          +10
          What is this, a dead triffid?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 31 January 2021 09: 21
            +7
            Look, this is the throne of the tire changer!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 31 January 2021 09: 28
              +8
              I don’t drink since morning, and without it you cannot screw. what drinks
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 09: 47
              +6

              So more accessible?
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 31 January 2021 09: 56
              +5
              I'm talking about a tire changer, but the fact that you can sit down is understandable, only there is no desire. Exactly - a triffid.
            4. kalibr
              31 January 2021 09: 59
              +6
              Awesome ... It's a pity I didn't know before that this happens!
            5. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 10: 03
              +6
              Museum of Contemporary Art "Erarta", permanent exhibition. I've been buying an annual subscription for six years in a row.
            6. kalibr
              31 January 2021 10: 59
              +5
              I would live in St. Petersburg and go regularly!
            7. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 13: 41
              +4
              Uh-huh. Today Sergei Mikhailov and I tried to "regularly" go to the Hermitage ...
            8. kalibr
              31 January 2021 13: 54
              +2
              Well, Anton, I would go. From the main entrance along the corridor to the right. There is a department of PR and the press ... You go in, explain, show the crusts, and go wherever you want for free. The matter is small, alas ...
            9. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 14: 03
              +6
              Just not today! Beginning of Nevsky and Dvortsovaya in the cordon of riot police.
              People without documents could not get home. I approached the security officials:
              -Guys, I have tickets to the Hermitage, can I get in?
              - Most of them have tickets to the Hermitage, we can't do anything, we have an order. Excuse me.
            10. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 January 2021 14: 10
              +17
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Beginning of Nevsky and Dvortsovaya in the cordon of riot police.
              People without documents could not get home. I approached the security officials:
              -Guys, I have tickets to the Hermitage, can I get in?
              - Most of them have tickets to the Hermitage, we can't do anything, we have an order. Excuse me.

              It seems that a new order under No. 227 will soon be issued and the policemen will feel uneasy.
            11. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 14: 19
              +8
              Yes figs knows. The guys behaved very well. Especially when compared with the nineties. I spent the night quite often in the departments then.
            12. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 January 2021 14: 55
              +17
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Yes figs knows. The guys behaved very well. Especially when compared with the nineties. I spent the night quite often in the departments then.

              A night in a cap = this is an integral part of the perestroika kid good drinks
              However, the coercive measures in the form of a SA with its specificity, up to full pockets of cartridges, played a role. Now I am very sorry that I am not 18-20 years old, otherwise I would ...
            13. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 15: 00
              +4
              And what? Would something be decided?
              See "DDT", "Terrorist" ...
            14. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 January 2021 15: 10
              +17
              Ivan Pomidorov? belay where to stop talking laughing
              tra yes yes yes)
              There was only an irrepressible sense of justice, if a flask, Duc for everyone and a crust of bread for everyone too.
            15. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 15: 14
              +4
              It is the same.
              And at the end,
              "They took him, and in truth he was shot"
            16. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 January 2021 16: 31
              +17
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              It is the same.
              And at the end,
              "They took him, and in truth he was shot"

              I just witnessed Yulianych's dreams about "House on the Hill", as they were drinking together on "Rublinstein 13" and on the "cemetery", and after hearing our stories about heroic deeds "across the river", as a creative nature, he went to look into Chechnya. .., what they say yes how ..., from here and kicked from our brother "Indian tea, Bashkir honey" ...
            17. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 19: 10
              +3
              Hmm. It is, of course, strong, but, somehow, Rosenbaum, after the voyage "across the river" turned out more heartfelt.
            18. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 20: 10
              +3
              And further. The war, as a rule, is remembered by the descendants of the direct participants, in their interpretation.
            19. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 January 2021 21: 06
              +18
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              It is, of course, strong, but, somehow, Rosenbaum, after the voyage "across the river" turned out more heartfelt.

              I don’t know how much it’s true, but the boys said that Rosenbaum flew on a "medical" board, and the 200 and 300 always returned home, and Sasha was apparently inspired.
            20. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 31 January 2021 21: 37
              +1
              "Gasoline to the eyeballs" inspired by the same board?
  • vladcub
    vladcub 31 January 2021 16: 33
    +8
    "Now I am very sorry that I am not 18-20" for all the "sympathy" for VV, I would not go there anyway. For me, Navalny is a new deteriorated edition of EBN. Not for the night will be remembered. If he comes to power, he will be completely trinde
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 1 February 2021 12: 01
    +2
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Just not today! Beginning of Nevsky and Dvortsovaya in the cordon of riot police.
    People without documents could not get home. I approached the security officials:
    -Guys, I have tickets to the Hermitage, can I get in?
    - Most of them have tickets to the Hermitage, we can't do anything, we have an order. Excuse me.

    Good afternoon Anton,
    Can you imagine if we "broke" into the Hermitage with what headlines the press would have noted:
    "Lovers of the early Iron Age, crushing riot police and protesters, took the Hermitage by storm!" - or something like that. wassat
    By the way, last weekend I was at the dacha, and my wife took my daughter and her friends to the Hermitage: everything was also cordoned off, but in the end they were still allowed on tickets. This time everything was tougher. hi
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 1 February 2021 13: 06
    +2
    We went late, Sergei. I was told that it was possible to pass up to 11'00.
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 1 February 2021 14: 10
    +1
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    We went late, Sergei. I was told that it was possible to pass up to 11'00.

    Yes, you should know where you fall - to spread straws.
    But I sent them a refund request: they will suddenly return.
    They start visiting at 11-00, not before, that is, on this day, as I understand it, literally only a few got to the Hermitage, who slipped before 11-00. hi
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 31 January 2021 13: 52
    +5


    Replicas of sculptures previously exhibited in Erarta are now used in the decoration of Pulkovo airport.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 31 January 2021 20: 28
    +3
    "Jet women", some kind of nightmare.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 31 January 2021 20: 44
    +4
    Uncle Kostya, when you "in public" try to squeeze the "kid from the district" out of yourself, it turns out very unnatural.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 31 January 2021 20: 58
    +5
    And I really do not like this "creativity", here I am in solidarity with Magnificent Ostap, I do not remember literally how he expressed himself about the avant-garde "painting" of millet and rye, but in fact I completely agree with him.

    By the way, I drew attention to the title of the article - "Specialty ... of starched collars. Paviainen" drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 31 January 2021 21: 29
    +3
    When you fall into the heresy of symbolism, I start to get lost ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 31 January 2021 22: 10
    +3
    Not necessary. As there was in the song:
    "Someone leaves, someone comes,
    Someone loses, and someone finds "(c)
    Everything is relative. smile
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 31 January 2021 22: 27
    +3
    Everything is relative
    You have a rare gift to understand and accept this reality. Otherwise, I would not consider you "uncle".
  • Catfish
    Catfish 31 January 2021 23: 02
    +3
    Thank you, Anton, it's always nice to have a nephew who understands you. smile drinks
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 24
    +2
    Thank you, Anton, it's always nice to have a nephew who understands you.

    Among the station thieves of Petrograd during the NEP, the concept "I went to meet my uncle" had an applied aspect. Like, I’ll go and choose a “fatter” victim from the crowd from the train that has just arrived, and emboss the suitcases! wink
  • Catfish
    Catfish 1 February 2021 16: 18
    +3
    I have no suitcases, and in general, I am a poor post-Soviet pensioner and do not go anywhere.
    And Anton won't give you in your ear for such hints? laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 16: 54
    +3
    And Anton won't give you in your ear for such hints?

    Both of you bowed so ceremoniously to each other that you could kick each other in the ear. laughing drinks Me for sho? belay
  • Catfish
    Catfish 1 February 2021 16: 59
    +4
    Me for sho?

    For kumpaniya, because for sure you will be the third. I mean roll over the port. laughing drinks
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 17: 06
    +3
    I mean roll over the port.

    And ethno we are almost always - yes! wink drinks
  • Catfish
    Catfish 1 February 2021 17: 23
    +3
    What does almost mean? !!!
    "The soldier is always healthy, the soldier is ready for anything!" (C)
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 10: 42
    +1
    When you fall into the heresy of symbolism, I start to get lost ...

    And we may not agree with you about jet women! laughing
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 2 February 2021 10: 47
    +2
    See gr. "Underwood", composition "Angels and Airplanes"
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 10: 51
    +3
    See gr. "Underwood", composition "Angels and Airplanes"

    We prefer girls against the background of tanks! laughing and not against the backdrop of jet engines.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 2 February 2021 13: 37
    +3

    Understand what - would cry!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 31 January 2021 14: 36
    +6
    Anton, if these are tire changers then ... Someone will be left without a piece of bread
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 31 January 2021 14: 48
    +2
    Vlad! This is not the Pirelli calendar, this is my niece and her friend.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 31 January 2021 16: 04
    +2
    Are they not married? If not, I'm ready to meet
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 36
    +2
    So more accessible?

    Did you find a behavioral stimulus to increase Uncle Kostya's perception? lol good
  • Catfish
    Catfish 1 February 2021 16: 34
    +3
    Here, swear here again, I will set my cat on you, he will show you "Becher's perception". laughing
  • vladcub
    vladcub 31 January 2021 14: 32
    +5
    Kostya, hello. What is this "beast" on your tripod? Looks like AGS-30
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 17: 27
      +3
      This is a French Hotchkiss of 1914. If you want to see him at work, watch the Mexican film "The Golden Bullet".
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 31 January 2021 20: 15
        +6
        Better to watch the Mexican "Juan Galio" starring Maria Felix, a woman of stunning beauty. There, in one scene, the captain, the heroine's lover, aiming a machine gun at the enemy, whispered with a gentle smile: "Well, talk, clever machine," and made a natural haymaking.
        By the way, the Mexicans were terribly scolded for this picture, there were two scenes, the execution of two bandits and the hanging of an adversary colonel, so everything was real there, they were used in the filming of criminals sentenced to death. I was also surprised that the bandit, bound hand and foot, was smoking a cigarette with a red filter, from which at that time. And the fact that they really killed living people, albeit real criminals, was learned later, when a grandiose scandal arose in the world press.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 31 January 2021 20: 27
      +3
      Glory, hello.
      Vyacheslav already answered you, though this particular model arr. 1908. A machine of 8 mm caliber, powered by cartridges from a rigid cassette of 20 pieces, which are attached to one another and thus you can conduct continuous fire.
      In the photo my son and I, the end of the eighties. Lord, how long ago it was, I can't even believe.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 19
    +3
    It was simpler in my office, and there was no need to go back and forth either.

    Uncle Kostya, is this a French hotchkiss? What kind of helmet are you wearing?
    Just flipping through the saved photos, I found you in a different guise. drinks

    EMNIP, did you need two people and asbestos gloves to change the barrel of the MG-34?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 February 2021 16: 38
      +2
      The barrel of a "thirty-four" can be changed alone, but without a mitten, probably nothing.
      And I have a Luftwaffe observer's helmet with cutouts for headphones on the sides.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 17: 05
        +1
        And I have a Luftwaffe observer's helmet with cutouts for headphones on the sides.

        Interestingly, I did not know about this! Thanks! drinks
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 31 January 2021 10: 03
    +4
    A client comes to you. You get up to him from the table (a demonstration of equality!), Offer to smoke (a demonstration of friendliness!), And ... while talking to him, you pick up the pipe in the closet behind you, and go to the other end of the office for tobacco.

    Something your example reminds me fleetingly of the office of Comrade Stalin. hi
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 11: 00
      +7
      And all decisions are based on something. I don't like to invent new things. Better to use old time-tested solutions!
  • Fat
    Fat 31 January 2021 12: 33
    +7
    Oh no, bad taste - this is silvered sanitary ware, reminds too much of utilitarian devices in second-class carriages laughing

    But this truth can "impress" ... yes
  • vladcub
    vladcub 31 January 2021 14: 28
    +2
    "You need to be able to use it" V.O, something tells me that you are describing your blue dream.
    "I need to sniff someone:" Basya Cat "and" Iron Horse ", perhaps I will fulfill my dream"
    Actually, you are absolutely right: there is a whole science, to fool people. Now I don't remember, I think the first one who described was Carnegie: "how to manage people"
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 17: 33
      +3
      Quote: vladcub
      "I need to sniff someone:" Basya Cat "and" Iron Horse ", perhaps I will fulfill my dream"

      No longer needed! They and all the other books were taken by an electronic publishing house in Singapore ... there is a different level, and the scale, and the money ... as they say: "Chapaev will not be sent a little mess!" However, you are also on author. today you can still read them ...
      Quote: vladcub
      Now I don't remember, I think the first one who described was Carnegie: "how to manage people"

      Far from being the first. The first were Ivy Lee, Edward Bernays, Sam Black ... By the way, in the sequel to "Iron Horse" (2nd book) about this in great detail ...
      I have a lot of "blue dreams" ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 31 January 2021 17: 49
        +5
        Perhaps it was just that Carnegie was the very first one to be published here.
        1. kalibr
          2 February 2021 14: 26
          0
          Quote: vladcub
          Carnegie was the very first one to be published with us

          That's it!
  • bk0010
    bk0010 31 January 2021 16: 43
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    You get up to him from the table (a demonstration of equality!), Offer to smoke (a demonstration of friendliness!)
    Wow ... But I must somehow inform the client about this, otherwise I, for example, would not have guessed.
    Quote: kalibr
    That is, all the time you flicker before the eyes of the client. This is a subconscious domination - he is sitting ...
    Yeah, the king sits on the throne, and around him everyone flickers - dominate.
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 17: 35
      +4
      Quote: bk0010
      Yeah, the king sits on the throne, and around him everyone flickers - dominate.

      The king sits high! All the others flicker below. Available?
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 31 January 2021 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        The king sits high!
        Yes, it sits as much as 3 steps above the floor.
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 31 January 2021 17: 22
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    You get up to him from the table (a demonstration of equality!), Offer to smoke (a demonstration of friendliness!), And ... while talking to him, you pick up the pipe in the closet behind you, and go to the other end of the office for tobacco. That is, all the time you flicker before the eyes of the client. This is a subconscious domination - after all, he is sitting ... Then you light up the pipe and put it on the table - let it smoke ... In a word, there is a lot of everything to suppress the will of a person!
    And when a "person from the PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE" comes to YOU ​​...
    And he tells YOU that soon "sit" will YOU ... belay
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 17: 36
      +2
      Quote: cat Rusich
      And when a "person from the PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE" comes to YOU ​​...
      And he tells YOU that soon YOU will be "sitting" ...

      And when a person is stupid, then this is already a diagnosis!
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 31 January 2021 17: 56
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        And when a person is stupid, then this is already a diagnosis!
        What are you talking about ...
        About the reasoning about the DOMINANT? ... Usually, to show EXCELLENCE in front of the "client", the "owner of the office" "marinates the client in the dressing room", where the secretary sits, inviting the "client" to read the magazines until it "comes his turn". "Running around the office" shows the "client" confusion, that the necessary things are not at hand, but scattered around the office. And a lot depends on the "status of the cabinet guest" - the "client" can have a position much higher than the "cabinet owner". As an example, the same "person from the prosecutor's office" (even of the smallest rank), but who has arrest warrant "master of the cabinet" ...
  • zenion
    zenion 5 February 2021 21: 38
    0
    Be sure to wrap it with barbed wire to keep the crown better.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 31 January 2021 08: 10
    +11
    Quote: kalibr
    You need a lot of bayonets, especially if you are the boss and sit at the table in a chair. In this case, the bayonets must be positioned behind you so that they give a halo around the head. Well, a couple more cabinets with weapons so you can say it's "my hobby". In fact, the point is precisely in the steel halo around the head. Subconsciously, this will be perceived as power and ... better than this only a halo of sabers, swords and broadswords! But it's more expensive!

    Vyacheslav Olegovich do not put pressure on the patient. When I was building a house specially in the foyer, I laid a wall on which I planned to hang my long-stems from the pneumatic collection, elk antlers and other paraphernalia! He did not take into account his soul mate! Now there is another collection hanging there - a flower one !!! belay
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 08: 25
      +8
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      He did not take into account his soul mate!

      What a woman wants - God wants it! I had an 1895 Winchester, an award saber of 1877, a German naval dagger in 1918, a bayonet from a Gra rifle ... hung on the wall. But it was sold for the welfare of his wife and family. Now, when 46 years of a happy married life are behind me, I understand how I did the right thing then! But now I have a kukri from Nepal and a dagger-pistol from the Czech Republic!
  • Undecim
    Undecim 31 January 2021 14: 44
    +6
    You need a lot of bayonets, especially if you are the boss and sit at the table in a chair. In this case, behind you, the bayonets must be positioned so that they give a halo around the head.
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 17: 37
      +4
      Oh yeah! Here's something like that. Only remove the gun, it destroys the image!
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 31 January 2021 20: 33
        +6
        Only remove the gun, it destroys the image!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 January 2021 20: 41
          +3
          Destroys the image, but adds intrigue. What about the gun on the wall in the first act of the play?
          1. kalibr
            31 January 2021 21: 06
            +5
            Konstantin! Of course, here it is necessary to decide on a case-by-case basis. Make PR-interior design so that it has the maximum impact on the visitor. There are a lot of subtleties and it costs a lot of money!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 31 January 2021 21: 10
              +5
              Fortunately, such a task is not ahead of me, although I hung the entire corner with pneumatic copies of famous barrels. It’s so simple, for pep, as if he’d returned to his favorite museum. smile
        2. kalibr
          31 January 2021 21: 07
          +5
          The very thing you need!
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 2 February 2021 13: 25
    0
    better than that only a halo of sabers, swords and broadswords! But it's more expensive!

    And what did Dr. Watson do as soon as he drove into Baker Street?
    But I'm not talking about that now. What happens to the carcass when the bayonet arrives? That's right - the body falls ... And extracting steel becomes a problem. So big that the device just snatches out of hand.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 31 January 2021 14: 07
    +4
    I had a similar bayonet in my childhood. I hooked it on a stick - my rifle. A friend is still a "live" German bayonet knife. In their family, it was used as a kitchen for many years.
    How many different rarities with WWII in my childhood! And he saved nothing. The last one I had was a cigarette case: on one side there was a Soviet coat of arms (the coin was made), and on the other side there was a naked woman and the date 1943. They pioneered him. I know approximately who, but: "no thief was caught"
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 31 January 2021 07: 33
    +6
    I have a ceremonial bayonet from the Polish Mauser arr. 1929 (Wz.29), so not only is it all nickel-plated (the scabbard too) to a mirror finish, there is still a groove for the lanyard on the handle, the handle cheeks are made of black ebonite


    I salivated ... to touch everything with my own hands ... after all, a good weapon always causes pleasant sensations.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 31 January 2021 08: 08
      +8
      And he, by the way, is absolutely not functional, neither cut bread, nor chop meat - stupid, as befits a parade pribluda. And you will not sharpen, so as not to spoil the thing. But handsome, the Polish viper. smile
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 09: 46
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    it is all nickel-plated (the scabbard too) to a mirror finish,

    And were there really such?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 1 February 2021 01: 22
      +6
      And were there really such?
      Were
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 31 January 2021 09: 57
    +7
    Good morning. It's All All Quiet on the Western Front. At Remarque.
    Here, in contrast, from some young hacks, Vyacheslav Olegovich, it turns out a very interesting and detailed cycle)))
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 11: 02
      +9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      unlike some young hacks,

      This is because besides money, I also love the writing process itself and my readers! "Friends are all - enemies are the law!" Nice motto, isn't it?
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 31 January 2021 11: 12
    +5
    Quote: Sea Cat
    I don't remember where, but I read

    At Remarque?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 31 January 2021 11: 40
      +4
      Most likely from him. And where does the frame come from, what kind of film?
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 31 January 2021 11: 59
        +4
        Quote: Sea Cat
        And where does the frame come from, what kind of film?

        add-pazhalsta ...)
        Screen adaptation of "All Quiet at the Polar Division"
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 January 2021 13: 01
          +3
          And hello to you ... I haven't seen it like that, it's not a crime. request
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 1 February 2021 12: 40
            +2
            I haven't seen it like that, it's not a crime.

            Yes, there a German comrade from the frame popularly explains to young fighters that it is better not to use this bayonet-knife - there is a sapper shovel for hand-to-hand combat. hi
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 1 February 2021 16: 20
              +1
              The young need to be taught, that's why the "old men" are present in the troops. soldier
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 2 February 2021 11: 10
                +1
                The young need to be taught, that's why the "old men" are present in the troops.

                EMNIP, an old-time soldier in the film in the photo above, is holding a bayonet to the Mauser98 model of 1898/1905, here is this version.

                And he says something like: "if you are captured with such a bayonet, you will not be good at it," they say, they will hurt you with the same bayonet. Therefore, throw it out, and use a spatula in hand-to-hand combat. stop
                And why? The kid was given "sapper bayonet"... And behind him was a saw.
                A sapper version of this bayonet was also produced with a sawtooth notch on the back of the blade. However, in 1917, the Entente propaganda declared such bayonets to be cruel weapons, violating the rules of war. The German soldiers, well aware of what would happen if they were captured with such a weapon, hastily began to grind the notches from their bayonets. Bayonets with saws began to be sent to the training and garrison units, the police and the occupation troops, and they also remained with the sappers and logisticians. Since 1918, arsenals and regimental workshops begin to remove saws from weapons left in the army. If an old bayonet was reworked, then a protection was placed on the back of the handle, and the crosspiece was shortened for use with the Mauser 98 K.
                More information - here:
                http://warstory.ru/articles/shtyki/shtyki-germanii/shtyki-obraztsa-1898-1905-goda-k-vintovkam-mauser-gewehr-98/
                That is, the owners of such a bayonet were treated in the same way as the owners of the flamberg in the late Middle Ages! request "If you hurt us very much, we will hurt you too!" angry It seems that there have been cases of reprisals.
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  • Moore
    Moore 3 February 2021 03: 58
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    I don’t remember where, but I read that the German soldiers of the First World War threw out these bayonets themselves, because it was not recommended to be taken prisoner with them, they ended up on the spot without trial or investigation, and it’s good if without atrocities.

    A bayonet with a sereitor was produced for sapper (engineering) units

    But something went wrong in the Reichswehr and these bayonets began to enter the line infantry units. There were about six percent in total, no more. The newspapermen inflated this topic to the state of a huge bloody sensation, and yes, the soldiers who were taken prisoner with such a bayonet had a hard time. They did not throw them away (these are the Germans), but the sereiter was ground down on the advice of the veterans right away.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 3 February 2021 16: 30
    0
    - At Remarque, it seems "Quiet on the Western Front." wink
  • kalibr
    31 January 2021 07: 43
    +7
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    African rebel fired from a Kalash with a bayonet knife at the enemy

    There will be about it. And the next material - generally an original thing - about bayonets on pistols!
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 31 January 2021 08: 22
      +8
      Good Morning Comrada hi ! I see a good "club of maniacs" and fans of cold weapons wink I have only one bayonet (not quite my topic) from the Mauser 98 rifle (ceremonial shortened arr 1940). The most interesting thing is that bayonets from various rifles are the most common "trophies" brought by our Grandfathers - Great-Grandfathers from the Wars in which Our Country participated. Some copies - They work perfectly in the "farm" and in our time.
      A good continuation of an interesting series of articles, Vyacheslav Olegovich - Honored Respect good
      1. novel66
        novel66 31 January 2021 10: 55
        +4
        I love knives and I do it myself ... to amuse my darling
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 31 January 2021 11: 02
          +6
          Roma hi good when hands grow golden from the right place laughing I just don't know how to work with steel, but I am happy to sharpen the handles, so I mastered the mammoth bone wink
          1. novel66
            novel66 31 January 2021 11: 04
            +4
            oh, problems! take a saw but metal and cut out of it with a little grinder (not a woman!)
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 11: 18
              +1
              Quote: novel xnumx
              oh, problems!

              Now, with the Internet, everyone is smart. And I did different crap for two years before I got a normal knife. Normal - in the sense of a through, and not a third, or welded on the boss.
              1. novel66
                novel66 31 January 2021 11: 51
                +2
                patience and work ... they will grind everyone
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 11: 54
                  0
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  patience and work ... they will grind everyone

                  Experience is better.
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 31 January 2021 12: 12
                    +2
                    and without difficulty - where does the experience come from?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 12: 22
                      +2
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      and without difficulty - experience where

                      From fantasy. laughing Here is one of my gnarled products from the 90s, miraculously survived. belay
                    2. kalibr
                      31 January 2021 14: 00
                      +4
                      Make a blade for a Sarmatian sword! All I will give - drawings, dimensions ... It is impossible to order from me in Penza. Everyone who does this knows me and breaks incredible amounts. And we could cooperate. You make two blades, and I make two handles and two pommels (this is also difficult and expensive, if you are smart!). And we will end up with two excellent reconstruction swords!
                    3. novel66
                      novel66 31 January 2021 14: 16
                      +5
                      Slav, the draftsman, let's think
                    4. kalibr
                      31 January 2021 15: 07
                      +3
                      Good. I will look. Lies out of sight! The main thing is that the blade is very simple, without a share! I saw how M. Gorelik "faked" him when he somehow came to visit him. But I didn't like the pommel. He made it ... from ... molded bottle glass! And they were mostly made of stone. Well, I ... I was waiting to see the stone, to hold it ... And I found in my museum of local lore in a burial ... Mordovians. Apparently the Mordovians dug up the burials of the Sarmatians, took the disc and hung it around their neck ... Then I checked it using Chernenko's book - it exactly coincides with the find of the pommel in Varna.
                    5. novel66
                      novel66 31 January 2021 15: 10
                      +4
                      we would have a sketch, al a drawing .. we would have started a twist ..
                    6. kalibr
                      31 January 2021 16: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      we would have a sketch, al a drawing .. we would have started a twist ..

                      Will be!
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 31 January 2021 06: 38
    0
    ***
    "A bullet is a fool, a bayonet is a fine fellow" ...
    ---
    A.V.Suvorov. The science of winning.
    ***
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 31 January 2021 07: 59
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      "A bullet is a fool, a bayonet is a fine fellow" ...
      ---
      A.V.Suvorov. The science of winning.
      ***

      And if without stamps?
      ... and with such bayonets it was possible not only to stab and use as a digging tool, but also to use ... instead of a spatula for plastering walls;

      A very urgent task!
      In our time, only "chickens" of neighbors to fry !!! laughing
      The word "Kura" is used maliciously - on purpose to annoy the Petersburg audience of the site !!! laughing
      1. kalibr
        31 January 2021 08: 39
        +5
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        The word "Kura" is used maliciously

        In Penza, they also say so: "How much does a chicken cost?", "How much does a chicken cost?" - only in the market and you hear ... "We have fresh chickens!"
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 31 January 2021 08: 58
        +4
        specially to annoy the Petersburg audience of the site !!!
        Our answer to the chairman of the Ural
        branch of the "Society of fans of bayonet plaster": do not wait! tongue
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 31 January 2021 10: 22
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          specially to annoy the Petersburg audience of the site !!!
          Our answer to the chairman of the Ural
          branch of the "Society of fans of bayonet plaster": do not wait! tongue

          I will teach you to love cats !!! wassat
    2. novel66
      novel66 31 January 2021 10: 57
      +3
      oh, there is a wonderful anecdote!
    3. Dmitry Maximov_2
      Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 19: 38
      0
      "A musket has 100 rounds. For musket (fire) there is a big position for company riflemen. Infantry fires open victory, a bayonet digs into those who have crawled wildly into the square, a saber and a dart, and complete the chase to the end."
      A.V. Suvorov.
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 31 January 2021 07: 17
    +3
    A universal thing will always be worse than a specialized one. The bayonet should be a bayonet, and the knife should be a knife. The advantages of a needle bayonet are that it is thinner and, therefore, lighter than a knife bayonet, plus also due to the geometry, it is stronger, just as the needle bayonet easily penetrates the enemy's body. The bayonet-knife is a versatile weapon, as a bayonet it is inferior to a needle bayonet, and as a knife it is inferior to a conventional knife. In addition, the bayonet-knife in the armies of the world is forbidden to sharpen, that is, in fact, it is impossible to use it as a knife. In my opinion, the optimal bayonet is an integral folding needle bayonet like the bayonets on the Mosin carbine of the 1944 model and the Chinese version of the AK Type 56.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 31 January 2021 07: 54
      +5
      I do not know. I am for versatility. The correct bayonet battle in the ranks died with the departure from the battlefields of cavalry and dense boxes of battles.
      It is a modern dump, in fact, melee in a short distance.
      In such dumps, the bayonet is a last-chance weapon. In general, it is faster to change the magazine than to deploy or put a bayonet on the barrel of an assault rifle. So if anything, in most cases you will have to brush it off with a machine gun in one hand with a knife in the other.
      So a modern bayonet knife should have maximum versatility from the ability to open canned food to chopping branches for a fire.
      Regarding the Soviet bayonet from the AK-74, as a cadet, he was “scared to death” by stories about their fragility. However, similar stories went about the PR-73. So we breathed their side every other time.
      Although if the truth is to face the broken rubber sticks I saw, bayonet-knives are not.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 31 January 2021 08: 01
        +3
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        It is generally faster to change the magazine than to deploy or put a bayonet on the barrel of an assault rifle

        So for this there is a commander who must assess the situation, and if there is a possibility of a hand-to-hand clash, then he must give the order to join the bayonets. For example, if the battle is urban, there is a cleanup of buildings, then the bayonet should be thrown back. And if the firefight is at a distance, then the bayonet does not need to be adjacent. And the bayonet must be integral so that the soldier does not lose the bayonet.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 January 2021 08: 20
          +6
          And the bayonet must be integral so that the soldier does not lose the bayonet.

          Are you serious? For all three years of service, I do not remember a case when someone lost a bayonet-knife. The bayonet-knife for our AKMS was a complete shit, I agree, but needle-shaped, and even integral, this, forgive me, is a laughing matter for chickens, we don't live in the nineteenth century.
          I especially liked:
          So for this there is a commander who must assess the situation, and if there is a likelihood of a hand-to-hand clash, then he must give the order to join the bayonets. For example, if the battle is urban, buildings are being cleaned, then ...

          So I see how, in a modern fleeting contact, the commander gives the command via cellular communication - "Bayonets join" and the whole crowd in "Warriors", shouting "Hurray!", Goes into a bayonet attack. laughing
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 31 January 2021 08: 28
            +2
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Are you serious? For all three years of service, I do not remember a case when someone lost a bayonet-knife.

            Anything can happen in war. The soldiers even lost rifles and machine guns.
            Quote: Sea Cat
            but needle-shaped, and even integral, this, forgive me, laughs at chickens, tea is not in the nineteenth century we live

            A needle bayonet is better than a blade bayonet.
            Quote: Sea Cat
            So I see how, in a modern fleeting contact, the commander gives the command via cellular communication - "Bayonets join" and the whole crowd in "Warriors", shouting "Hurray!", Goes into a bayonet attack

            Why should the squad leader give orders to his soldiers over the phone?
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 31 January 2021 08: 35
              +5
              Because for a long time no one relies on a loud corporal's throat. The connection between each active combat unit, and the one who has it wins and is better established. Remember the beginning of the Second World War, what was there with the connection in the RKK, and who was there at the initial stage?
              And as for the needle stick - this is your personal opinion, well, health.
            2. kalibr
              31 January 2021 09: 09
              +6
              "In what, in what, and in the ability to raise the morale of the soldiers entrusted to him" Monty "was a master. Barely catching his breath after the run and making sure that he was recognized, he immediately turned to the soldiers:
              - Gordon's Highlanders! The fierce enemy is stubbornly attacking our positions and is about to break through to the fuel depots. His infantry is two hundred meters from our headquarters. The enemy is trapped: behind you are our tanks of the 22nd Armored Brigade, in the rear of the Germans are the tanks of the American 1st Panzer Division. But now you will have to strike at his superior forces ... Here, among the hot sands, we defend the green hills of Aberdeen and the chalk cliffs of Dover, we defend our homes and the king and queen. Therefore, all forward! Bayonets join! Bagpipers - Attack!
              Everything was exactly as it happens in a parade. The bagpipers stepped forward and started to attack. The Scots joined the rifles with long bayonets and, holding them on hand, shouting "Hurra-ah!" rushed at a run to the enemy. Meanwhile, the German soldiers were already near the British headquarters itself, and tankers began to get out of the tanks that approached them in order to stretch and rest a little. And at the same time, out of nowhere, a wave of infantrymen, dressed in khakis, but in plaid skirts, covered with protective aprons, pounced on them. The disgusting howl of bagpipes scratched the soul like a brick on glass, the polished steel of the bayonets dazzled the eyes with a multitude of sunbeams.
              - Forward! Forward! - the Germans heard the cry of an English officer, and all this ferocious mass of men in shameful women's skirts fell on them like a samum from the desert. Of course, they were immediately greeted with shots, and many of the attackers fell, but the Germans had neither the impulse nor the willpower that would give them a chance to win right now. "
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 31 January 2021 10: 04
                +6
                ... however, the Germans had neither the impulse nor the willpower that would give them a chance to win right now. "

                The Germans had skill and endurance, and they also had Rommel, and Rommel had talent.
                And Montgomery - "a little man who accidentally got lucky" - I don't remember which of the American generals gave this characterization, but he is one hundred percent right.
                It was not the British who drove the Germans across the desert, but quite the opposite. And Rommel was defeated not by Monty, but by the British fleet, I do not remember who then commanded him, Sommerville or Cunningham.
                1. kalibr
                  31 January 2021 11: 05
                  +5
                  But there was this too ... There was a little bit of everything ...
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 09: 51
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            The bayonet-knife for our AKMS was a complete shit, I agree,

            And on the AKM there was also a dagger type, matte black. I wanted to grab it all, but I couldn't.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 31 January 2021 10: 07
              +4
              Well, well, the metal there is disgusting, the plastic is fragile, in short, not a knife, but a sad misunderstanding.
              Volodya, AKMS differs from AKM only in the presence of a folding shoulder rest.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 10: 10
                +2
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Volodya, AKMS differs from AKM only in the presence of a folding shoulder rest.

                I somehow know. What about the nickel plated bayonet? This is not an amateur performance, is it?
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 31 January 2021 10: 14
                  +4
                  No, dear, with all numbers and stamps, incl. with a Polish "rooster" at the base of the blade.
                  I somehow know.

                  I apologize, I didn’t mean to offend or offend, it just sounded as if these were two different models.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 10: 26
                    0
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    No, dear, with all numbers and stamps, incl. with a Polish "rooster" at the base of the blade.

                    Yes, the fact is that any idiot could do such a dirty trick in the USSR. There was such a fashion - to nickel all the pieces of iron. At the knife forum, they discussed Samsonov's knife, which some scoundrel had nickelized. And someone from Brezhnev's relatives was engaged in this, the KGB searched and poked for three days, found a stash in the tubes of the bed. Eck carried me. laughing
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 31 January 2021 10: 40
                      +2
                      There were brands, and the fact that they were applied after nickel plating was clearly visible. And where can home-builders get the native brands of foreign factories?
                      And what happened to Brezhnev's relatives, I somehow do not know?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 10: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        There were hallmarks, and the fact that they were applied after nickel plating was clearly visible.

                        Hm ... I always believed that first the brand is beaten, and then the nickel plating is applied.
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And what happened to Brezhnev's relatives, I somehow do not know?

                        Yes, someone from his relatives at home was engaged in nickel plating (father-in-law, I think, but I don't remember exactly), the whole house smelled of reagents, neighbors complained, after Brezhnev's death they raided him with a search. On the third day of the search, they thought of dismantling the bed and found a bunch of three rubles. laughing
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 31 January 2021 11: 31
                        +3
                        Brezhnev's father-in-law? It cannot be how old he was if he survived Lenya. I can't believe something. Here is the son-in-law, the husband of Galka Brezhneva, the general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Churbanov, only there it was a question of bribes, although, most likely, he was simply removed from the road.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 11: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Brezhnev's father-in-law? It cannot be how old he was if he survived Lenya. I can't believe something. Here is the son-in-law, husband of Pebble Brezhneva, the general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Churbanov, was imprisoned

                        Some of his relatives, I don't remember. By the way, again, one of his relatives was a writer. He wrote about the partisan. Was reading. Such nonsense from the rear rat.
                      4. Undecim
                        Undecim 31 January 2021 20: 36
                        +3
                        Brezhnev's father-in-law died in 1965, was a steam locomotive driver.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 31 January 2021 20: 39
                        +2
                        "Mom is so good, she sings about a steam locomotive" (c) laughing
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 08: 03
    +1
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    The correct bayonet battle in the ranks died with the departure from the battlefields of cavalry and dense boxes of battles.

    And what does correct mean?
    Is that right, wrong?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 31 January 2021 08: 19
      +3
      Good morning, Vladimir!
      In essence, bayonet combat appeared as a technique for repelling cavalry and infantry attacks in dense formations.
      The fact that they began to penetrate into the Russian and later into the Soviet army in the last century is not a bayonet, but hand-to-hand combat.
      At home there is an air rifle from the PPSh 45th year. Such a bayonet is not needed - a good club.
      The M-40 and the even heavier Tommigan are fragile toys in comparison.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 08: 28
        +3
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        this is not a bayonet, but hand-to-hand combat.

        Aaaa, well, let it be hand-to-hand. With a bayonet. wink
        1. Fat
          Fat 31 January 2021 21: 32
          +5
          Poster 1942. NKChM METALLURGIZDAT. Author A.F. Lipman, Editor B.Ya. Gerstein. Artists A.P. Korovina, T.V. Eiges.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 31 January 2021 21: 48
            +3
            Firs - Pali belay I haven't seen this poster for 21 years belay there was one lover of "antiquity" at the ChMF.
            Now time flies ...
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 31 January 2021 08: 38
        -2
        Do not write nonsense.
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        In essence, bayonet combat appeared as a technique for repelling cavalry and infantry attacks in dense formations.

        A square was invented against the cavalry. A single soldier for a rider is an easy prey, only by lining up in squares, the infantry could repel a cavalry attack.
        1. kalibr
          31 January 2021 10: 01
          +1
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          the infantry could repel a cavalry attack.

          "in dense constructions".
        2. Dmitry Maximov_2
          Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 19: 59
          0
          Not necessarily a square, but lines are also possible. For example, under Minden in 1759, only 6 British infantry regiments attacked the French army. They easily repulsed several French cavalry attacks with fire.
      3. Dmitry Maximov_2
        Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 19: 35
        0
        Name at least one battle where cavalry attacks were repelled with bayonets. And there are none. If the infantry could not fire, they became easy prey for the cavalry. For example, at the Battle of Albuera in 1811, several British regiments were caught in a downpour and unable to fire. They were immediately chopped down by the French cavalry. And there are a great number of such examples.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 February 2021 19: 39
          +2
          Quote: Dmitry Maximov_2
          Name at least one battle where cavalry attacks were repelled with bayonets. And there are none. If the infantry could not fire, they became easy prey for the cavalry. For example, at the Battle of Albuera in 1811, several British regiments were caught in a downpour and unable to fire. They were immediately chopped down by the French cavalry. And there are a great number of such examples.

          Easy. The Battle of the Pockmarked Grave.
          And by the way, you and I did not drink at the Bundershaft, so I ask you and with a capital letter.
          1. Dmitry Maximov_2
            Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 19: 43
            0
            And where does the bayonet? The Turkish and Crimean cavalry were repulsed with rifle fire. By the way, this is also an example of how bows were a poor weapon.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 February 2021 19: 57
              +2
              Quote: Dmitry Maksimov
              By the way, this is also an example of how bows were a poor weapon.

              Yeah, especially with Quercy, Poitiers and Agincourt.
              1. Dmitry Maximov_2
                Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 20: 01
                -1
                Well, in the 17-19 centuries, weapons were much more effective than bows. So the infantry could safely walk in the open. As for the centenary war, the French utterly defeated the British.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 February 2021 20: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: Dmitry Maksimov
                  As for the hundred-year war, the French completely defeated the British

                  To be objective, after the British lost interest in the continental war, mired in the civil squabbles of internal wars, but last before the start of the Napoleonic wars, the Russian army carried slingshots with them. Because she didn't rely on firearms.
                  In the battles of the Seven Years War, the Prussian cuirassiers tried three times to break the infantry squares of the Russian army. Everything is unsuccessful.
                  However, in your opinion, the "loser Suvorov" smashed the vaunted Massena with two shots on the gun. Or you and here will deny the bayonet fight.
                  1. Dmitry Maximov_2
                    Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 21: 06
                    0
                    No, the British did not lose interest and there was no citizen there. In general, they were at the peak of their power, but the French still defeated them in all battles since Orleans and the appearance of Jeanne Dark.
                    And the barbed wire because you didn't rely on machine guns? Some kind of stupid conclusion turns out .. Horns were used to strengthen the defense of the position, as well as wolf pits, notches and everything else.
                    Suvorov generally recommended having 100 rounds per gun. It is not I who deny the bayonet battle, contemporaries and military science deny it. There was no army with spears that could defeat an army with guns. Enough to fantasize already. This is not the Middle Ages.
            2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 February 2021 20: 03
              +1
              Quote: Dmitry Maksimov_2
              And where does the bayonet? The Turkish and Crimean cavalry were repulsed with rifle fire.

              However, they tried with artillery, but they did not always succeed.
              1. Dmitry Maximov_2
                Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 20: 09
                0
                Mainly with rifle fire, as a rule, it worked out.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 February 2021 20: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Dmitry Maksimov
                  Mainly with rifle fire, as a rule, it worked out.

                  See Battle of the Pockmarked Grave.
                  1. Dmitry Maximov_2
                    Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 21: 08
                    0
                    I looked. It was with rifle fire that they reflected.
    2. Avior
      Avior 31 January 2021 09: 30
      +7
      Something like this it looked

  • Undecim
    Undecim 31 January 2021 11: 17
    +6
    The correct bayonet battle in the ranks died with the departure from the battlefields of cavalry and dense boxes of battles.

    This is from the 1942 Red Army Infantry Fighting Manual.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 3 February 2021 16: 53
    0
    - There is also a later version - a needle bayonet on the SKS kakrabin!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 January 2021 07: 45
    +6
    As always - excellent! good Surprised by the spatula bayonet. I rummage in my memory, and it seems that I have not met this. Good luck, Vyacheslav.
    PSForumchane boast that they found somewhere, someone has bayonets.
    I will also say a few words. As a child, they collected the remains of lost trophies from Manchuria. Mostly Japanese from Arisaki. True, broadswords and very rarely samurai swords came across. In that place there were huge warehouses, where trophies were brought by COLUMNS of cars. Then they loaded them into wagons and took them away. Apparently not all were taken away. All the boys usually had bayonets. Later, they were used to make knives for the farm - the steel was very good. There was a huge amount of cartridges in the ground, both in bulk and in clips of 5 pieces. Everything, I finish, because there is something to tell, and a lot.
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 08: 09
      +6
      Thank you for your kind wish! We all need luck! But her tail is too slippery.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 31 January 2021 08: 22
        +3

        kalibr (Vyacheslav)
        Today, 08: 09

        +1
        Thank you for your kind wish! We all need luck! But her tail is too slippery.
        Therefore, you must hold it tightly, with both hands! wink
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 31 January 2021 20: 54
      +1
      Anton, I can also boast: I have several AK shells. For some reason, my husband kept it, but I didn't throw it away. So they are, somewhere in the closet
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 31 January 2021 09: 52
    +3
    The article "about bayonets" is very timely! Remember what "discussion" began on VO after the first article "In the blue cold of bayonets ..." was published! It turned out that we do not really know, even about such a seemingly famous weapon as the Mosin rifle! They argued with might and main whether the bayonets were unlocked on the "mosinka" ... were there a scabbard to them ... how did they "attach" bayonets to rifle barrels when carrying a weapon "safely"? Questions ... questions! And yet ... there were scabbards for the "Mosin" bayonets! And in the "tsarist" time, and in the Soviet ...! This is reflected in the charters, instructions, orders of the authorities, in the photo, after all! Another question is why the scabbard was not widespread in the Russian army, the Red Army ... although, if we recall the obligatory sighting of a rifle with a bayonet ... hooks "! For example, I watched a video about bayonets for the Mosin rifle ... so the owner of the weapons collection himself was not really sure how they attached the bayonet to the rifle in the "safe version" and whether they fired in this position from rifles! Yes, he attached a bayonet to the barrel with a point to the butt, but expressed doubt that in this case it was convenient to shoot, because. the muzzle ended up inside the muff (tube) ... However, if you recall Soviet war films and even wartime photos, then bayonets were still "worn"! There are references to the stories of front-line soldiers that bayonets were also attached to the ramrods ... in this position, it was even possible to shoot! You can find about wearing bayonets on a barrel or ramrod in the regulations, instructions, orders of the authorities not only of the Soviet era, but also of the "tsarist" ...! And by the way, was this "shooting with a bayonet" really so successful, if bayonets were often absent in the films "about the war", and even in wartime photos, in rare military newsreels, in the stories of front-line soldiers! By the way, in 1891, 3 variants of the Mosin rifle were adopted: infantry, dragoon, Cossack! The so-called carbine appeared in 1907! The Cossack rifle did not have a bayonet and was fired without it! But the Cossacks in the second half of WW1 had to repulse enemy attacks in the trenches, and go into attacks, precisely with such a weapon! Similar "dragoons" had bayonets, but how do you imagine dragoon cavalrymen in a mounted formation with rifles with bayonets attached? Bad manners, gentlemen! In addition to the dragoons' rifles, the dragoons had dragoons' checkers (!) ... so the needle bayonets of the Mosin rifles were attached to the checkers' scabbard!
    PS Approximately the same "bayonet" situation as with Mosin's rifles was at one time with Berdan's rifles! This I mean that one tovarisch on VO demanded to show him the scabbard for the "Berdan" bayonet ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 31 January 2021 11: 01
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      In addition to the dragoons' rifles, the dragoons had dragoons' checkers (!) ... so the needle bayonets of the Mosin rifles were attached to the checkers' scabbard!

      They were also driven to the artillerymen, after the Cossacks sabotaged the rearmament with new sabers, and the Emperor Nikolashka issued a decree: "Cossacks should not be forced to choose weapons ..."
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 31 January 2021 20: 45
    +2
    "The bayonet of the French rifle Lebel's sword was also very long" for the first time about the long bayonet of the French rifle, I read from Nikolai Ostrovsky: "How steel was tempered when a Pole with a French rifle ran to meet Seryozha Bruzhak. Bruzhak repulsed the Pole rifle. In fact, he described the bayonet technique. battle: with your rifle to beat off the enemy's rifle and stab him. Subsequently, I saw in films how the soldiers were trained
    1. kalibr
      31 January 2021 21: 10
      0
      The bayonet to the Lebel rifle differs from the bayonet to the Gras rifle only in that it did not have a crosshair with a bow. The Lebel with a bayonet was the longest PMV rifle. Convenient for bayonet fighting!
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 1 February 2021 08: 00
        0
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, you are talking about Lebel. Was only the Swan in service in WWI?
        1. kalibr
          1 February 2021 09: 17
          0
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, you are talking about Lebel. Was only the Swan in service in WWI?

          Not! In France there were three types of rifles: Lebel, Berthier and Riberol M1917, the latter automatic, but did not play a special role.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 31 January 2021 21: 59
    +3
    The German army stopped using the bayonet with a "reverse saw" in 1917 - and then only after the protests of the world community against the fact that the serrated blade caused unnecessarily serious wounds when used as

    ,,,, ate how many soldiers in the most diverse armies of the world ran with sapper bayonets, it was completely unfair to accuse the Germans of general moronicism. And logically speaking - with the local medicine, a bayonet thrust into the belly was inevitably deadly, with a saw he or not.
  • motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 31 January 2021 22: 56
    +2
    An impressive methodology for teaching bayonet fighting was developed,

    Obviously lost immediately after the end of the course! For neither in literature, nor in personal communication with veterans, I have never heard that the Germans showed "impressive results" bayonet battles. However, I could be wrong.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 1 February 2021 13: 14
    -2
    "The bullet is a fool, the bayonet is great" and "Shoot rarely, but accurately" is true for the wars of the 18th and early 19th centuries, when the guns had a low rate of fire, short range and did not differ in accuracy and accuracy of fire. It was problematic to hit someone even at a distance of 50-100 meters. Therefore, the main means of defeating the enemy was the bayonet. In addition, the tactics of Suvorov and other Russian military leaders reflected the peculiarity of the Russian army, which in the overwhelming majority consisted of recruits-peasants. For the first time in their lives, many of them saw a gun only in the army, it was extremely difficult to teach them to shoot accurately, and the army commanders saved gunpowder and rarely conducted training firing. But working with a bayonet resembles working with a pitchfork in agricultural work, so recruits quickly mastered the techniques of bayonet fighting. It is no coincidence that the bayonet strike of the Russian army was a horror for all the armies of any enemy. But even in the First World War, where firearms, and not edged weapons, became the main means of combat, the bayonet was not so rarely used.
    1. Dmitry Maximov_2
      Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 19: 30
      -4
      Where did this nonsense in your head come from? You should not take Suvorov's aphorisms at face value. This is what he actually wrote:
      "Kareys among themselves the intervals for the fires of the cross are best observed; but they also observe their fire, both artillery and musket. A musket has 100 rounds. For musket (fire) there is a large position of company riflemen. Infantry fires open victory, a bayonet digs into square, saber and dart complete the victory and pursuit. "
      Suvorov relied on firearms, and it could not be otherwise. The guns developed a huge rate of fire, the infantry battalion fired about 1500-2000 rounds per minute. The range of destruction with rifle fire was 300-400 steps. Try running with your bayonet .. No wonder the losses from bayonets were tiny, no more than 2%.
      The bayonet strike of the Russian army was no horror. It was rarely used in general, and the techniques of bayonet fighting were not taught at all. Suvorov fought with the Europeans only once, and these were the French, who were beaten by the British, Austrians, Spaniards, Prussians and others. So Suvorov's merit is small.
      1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 3 February 2021 15: 43
        +1
        You should not pass off your fantasies and misinterpreted source as truth. The statement about the rate of fire of muzzle-loaded flint muskets amused. In fact, a well-trained and trained soldier could fire 3-4 shots per minute, but this is provided that he does not waste time aiming. 300-400 steps is the maximum distance of defeat, but only at this distance you will only hit an elephant from a gun of that era, and even then not a fact. So out of 2000 bullets of your battalion it is good if 20 will hit the target. I suspect that you will not hit anyone at such a distance from a modern rifle. In fact, the regulations of the armies of that era prescribed to open fire from a distance of 70 to 100 meters. An infantryman could cover this distance in half a minute, if he ran. Only the formation of the infantry of that time in a dense formation helped the riflemen. About 2% losses from bayonets - you read this fable from another "exposer" (I also read this divan-marasmic work), but the exposer does not cite any sources to support his conclusion. Losses from rifle fire actually exceeded losses from a bayonet strike only if the troops did not converge hand-to-hand, but watered each other from afar. But Suvorov did not welcome just such tactics. He did not completely deny rifle fire, but his tactics were as follows: first, thin out the enemy troops by shooting, but inflict a decisive blow with a bayonet attack. How many percent of the losses accounted for the bayonet, and how much for the gun it is impossible to calculate, since such statistics were not kept then. However, it is estimated that, for example, in the Battle of Borodino, only about 2% of the bullets hit the target. The Russians suffered the main losses from artillery fire, and how many fell from bullets and bayonets were not counted. So it is not necessary to pass off delusional fantasies as the ultimate truth.
  • Dmitry Maximov_2
    Dmitry Maximov_2 1 February 2021 19: 24
    -3
    Well, nonsense ... The author has a mess in his head. Under New Orleans or under Bunker Hill, Carlion, what were the Winchesters too? In the wars of the second half of the 19th century, losses were less than in the past, while tactics did not change. Jaegers were abolished at the beginning of the 19th century, making all infantry universal. The role of bayonets is generally greatly exaggerated, in fact, losses from bayonets in the 18-19 centuries were no more than 2%, and in the 20th century less than 1%. Bayonet attacks and bayonet fighting are different things. Bayonet attacks are now ubiquitous.
  • Grossvater
    Grossvater 3 February 2021 10: 23
    0
    Interesting article!
    Only out of love for the truth.
    The phrase of Alexander Vasilyevich is usually misinterpreted. According to the professors of the Nikolaev Military Academy, it should sound completely: "Someone else's bullet is a fool, your bayonet is good." Taking into account Suvorov's attention to shooting training, this option seems very possible.
    The increased attention of the command of the Russian army to the bayonet is based on the experience of the Caucasian wars with their frequent transitions from long-range shooting to hand-to-hand combat. Eksmo, "History of the Russian Army".
    Alas, what was effective in mountain fortresses did not work well in classic WWI field battles.
    Zeroing the same Mosinka of the 30th year with a bayonet was obviously caused by a reluctance to make confusion with rifles different in sighting from old stocks and new production. Expected to be replaced by self-loading.
  • Leonov Oleg
    Leonov Oleg 3 February 2021 11: 42
    0
    For the author. The Turks near Plevna were armed with Peabody-Martini rifles. Their cavalry was armed with Winchesters.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 5 February 2021 09: 45
    0
    S-s-s-s .....
    Nevertheless, the inertia of thinking of various military authorities was so great that their opinion was "a fool's bullet - a bayonet well done", "shoot rarely, but accurately!"
    The author, as always ... In general, what is a bayonet? This is a device that allows you to continue fighting when you are unable to shoot. In attack, of course, such situations happen all the time, and in defense too. The author has deigned to make fun of the sayings of the old military leaders. With regard to the first (and the second), according to the estimates of the Americans, one hit in a battle falls on ... pubs ... 10000 bullets fired. How is it? This ... "The fighters release bullets ALWAYS in hundreds" ... In general, both sayings are absolutely true. In contrast to the author's point of view. And the bayonet is urgently needed for modern battlefield weapons.
    Not being able to make an overview of the bayonets, since he does not understand what kind of weapon it is, why it is, why it has the same shape and size as it has, the author of that ... acted in his usual manner. Alas...